[01:04] <scott-upstairs> i noticed the ubuntustudio apha-1 image isn't available :(  anyone know why?
[01:06] <charlie-tca> Not this one? http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20101130/
[01:07] <charlie-tca> It is on the iso tracker, too
[01:08] <charlie-tca> scott-upstairs, it won't get called alpha-1 until Thursday, or when it is released. The tests are all done with the daily
[01:13] <scott-upstairs> hi charlie-tca , i got an email today about this: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/info/4797
[01:13] <scott-upstairs> but it says the image isn't available anymore
[01:14] <scott-upstairs> oi, found it
[01:14] <scott-upstairs> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4797
[01:14] <charlie-tca> We got bad links on the tracker, but the iso is there for testing
[01:14] <scott-upstairs> yeah, it looks like the link may be down :/
[01:15] <scott-upstairs> downloading the image now from your link :)
[01:15] <charlie-tca> The tracker links are acting strange, for reasons I don't know
[01:43] <scott-upstairs> charlie-tca, now it appears that some canonical servers are down, i wonder if its related to the tracker links
[01:46] <Riddell> data centre is dying/dead
[01:46] <ScottK> Lovely.
[02:03] <charlie-tca> That could be
[02:16] <charlieS> no, it started 18 mins after you mentioned tracker links, charlie-tca
[02:17] <charlie-tca> oh
[02:31] <ScottK> Looks like stuff is coming back.
[02:34] <skaet_> ScottK,   iso tracker and launchpad are up now again at least....
[09:21] <quadrispro> hi all
[10:27] <apw> skaet_, i see the kernel built ok over night
[10:28] <cjwatson> do I need to rebuild the installer against it?
[10:29] <apw> cjwatson, good question, let me see what they did the upload for
[10:29] <cjwatson> [Config] Add bnx2 firmware to nic-modules udeb
[10:29] <cjwatson> that sounds like a "yes"
[10:30] <apw> cjwatson, heh yes it looks like it
[10:31] <cjwatson> technically, most of the CD initrds don't have nic-modules in, and the alternate CDs were built late enough to just include the new nic-modules udeb directly
[10:31] <cjwatson> server CDs weren't, though
[10:31] <cjwatson> so might as well respin d-i and build with that
[10:32] <apw> cjwatson, damn, i had assumed that the CDs were in manual mode during the freeze
[10:36] <cjwatson> they probably ought to have been, but I was on vacation yesterday
[10:36] <cjwatson> in this case, it's all to the good
[10:45] <apw> cjwatson, hopefully we are good now.  there was much flapping yesterday
[10:46] <cjwatson> well, I reuploaded d-i
[10:47] <cjwatson> doesn't sound like the bnx2 firmware breakage justified massive panic TBH :-)
[10:47] <cjwatson> though I suppose you might not have known the cause ...
[10:48] <apw> cjwatson, i am told it affected some key server testing, but i would have thought fridays CDs would have been just as good too
[10:49]  * apw goes sort out the VCS carnage inserting the extra upload had wraught
[10:51] <cjwatson> you know your VCS is too complicated when ... ;-)
[10:51]  * cjwatson ducks
[10:51] <apw> cjwatson, heh nothing wrong with the VCS, something wrong with the interaction between the two users working on it at the same time, cause of an emergency
[13:14] <charlie-tca> If all the images are new today, do we need to update the iso tracker to have them tested again?
[14:23] <jibel> skaet_, can you remove kubuntu mobile i386, ubuntu studio alternate i386/amd64 from the tracker, there is no build associated with them. Thanks.
[14:24] <charlie-tca> jibel, the studio builds are there. Something is wrong with the tracker link
[14:24] <charlie-tca> the builds are at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/daily/20101201/
[14:26] <jibel> charlie-tca, thanks.  skaet_, per charlie's comment, kubuntu mobile i386 then, and update the links for ubuntu studio alternate
[14:26] <charlie-tca> We couldn't get the links to work yesterday, either
[14:33] <apw> is anyone reporting that natty as it is now is logging in to a blank screen, no toolbars etc
[14:33] <apw> skaet_, ^^
[14:34] <chrisccoulson> apw - bug 683531
[14:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683531 in compiz (Ubuntu) "panel not there after maverick -> natty upgrade with no 3d (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683531
[14:35] <chrisccoulson> possibly ;)
[14:35] <jibel> apw, bug 681294, on eeepc 1015 but before logging in.
[14:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 681294 in linux (Ubuntu) "[STAGING] X doesn't start with 2.6.37-6+ (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681294
[14:36] <charlie-tca> https://launchpad.net/bugs/683403
[14:36] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683403 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "natty 20101130.1 - 20101201 live session without panel (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Low,Fix released]
[14:37] <jibel> charlie-tca, skaet_, links for ubuntu studio alternate are fixed.
[14:39] <charlie-tca> thanks, jibel
[14:42] <skaet_> jibel,  will remove kubuntu mobile i386.   was going to ask you to do the links for ubuntu studio alternate - but looks like you've done them.   have you managed to fix the links preinstalled omap one?  it needs it too.
[14:44] <jibel> skaet_, no, I was unsure if it needed a fix or removal.
[14:44] <jibel> skaet_, looking at it now.
[14:45] <skaet_> thanks jibel,  was pointing to a /ports/ link - should be referencing: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20101130/natty-preinstalled-netbook-armel+omap4.img.gz
[14:48] <pitti> hey skaet_, good morning
[14:49] <skaet_> good afternoon pitti, cjwatson.  :)
[14:51] <cjwatson> hi.  can we catch up now rather than at the timeslot in your calendar invite?  I have a team meeting then ...
[14:51] <skaet_> cjwatson, pitti - which images are ready to be refreshed on the iso tracker?
[14:51] <skaet_> cjwatson, sure, hopping on mumble.
[14:51] <cjwatson> hm, I think my sound is broken at the moment, sorry
[14:51] <cjwatson> I'm about to respin server
[14:52] <cjwatson> (for the kernel thing)
[14:53] <skaet_> cjwatson,  ack.
[14:53] <cjwatson> also, I think Ubuntu desktop powerpc builds might actually work for the next spin
[14:54] <cjwatson> I'll do that right after server - was waiting for new compiz
[14:54] <ogra> grmbl
[14:54] <ogra> omap4 doesnt boot due to "unkonwn error" from run-init
[14:59] <cjwatson> so: currently respinning Ubuntu server, then Ubuntu alternate/desktop.  Does anyone else have specific reasons for rebuilds?
[15:03] <charlie-tca> missing wubi in Ubuntu/Xubuntu?
[15:04] <charlie-tca> or can we just put that in the release notes for alpha1?
[15:09] <cjwatson> good point: that's been fixed build-side, so just takes a respin.  We'll pick it up for Ubuntu, and I'll make sure we respin Xubuntu for you too
[15:09] <cjwatson> just Xubuntu desktop CDs, I guess, if there's no other reason for a respin there
[15:10] <cjwatson> mvo: can you look at bug 681382?
[15:10] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 681382 in ubuntu-extras-keyring (Ubuntu) "extras gpg key missing for natty (affects: 6) (dups: 1) (heat: 40)" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681382
[15:10] <cjwatson> mvo: (maybe you should be subscribed to ubuntu-extras-keyring bugs?)
[15:11] <highvoltage> For Edubuntu, would it be possible to go with the 20101130 build instead of the 20101130.1 one? 20101130.1 has some session issues and I'm not sure how long that will take to fix, while 20101130 was ok
[15:12] <cjwatson> what's on the tracker right now?  (I'm rsyncing a CD, HTTP requests are taking forever ...)
[15:13] <cjwatson> the release script will publish whatever's on the tracker
[15:13] <highvoltage> cjwatson: .1
[15:13] <highvoltage> (so the broken one)
[15:18] <cjwatson> skaet_: ^- can that one be wound back to 20101130?
[15:18] <skaet_> cjwatson, on it now.
[15:19] <cjwatson> ta
[15:20] <skaet_> highvoltage, should be good now,  can you confirm?
[15:20] <mvo> cjwatson: I have a look now, I saw it yesterday evening but couldn't make sense of it
[15:21] <highvoltage> skaet_: just got the confirmation email, thanks!
[15:26] <cjwatson> new server build posted
[15:28] <skaet_> cjwatson, have disabled the server image, ubuntu alternate and xubuntu alternate images for now.
[15:29] <cjwatson> whoa
[15:29] <cjwatson> re-enable server please, see above :)
[15:29] <skaet_> yeah - I just figured I stomped.  sigh.
[15:29] <cjwatson> rebuilding Ubuntu alternate then desktop now
[15:30] <cjwatson> actually - Xubuntu alternate should be re-enabled, I think we only need to respin desktop there
[15:31] <charlie-tca> That's right. Thanks
[15:33] <skaet_> cjwatson, what about the ubuntu server EC2 & UEC builds?
[15:33] <skaet_> charlie-tca, can you check I've got it accurate now?
[15:35] <charlie-tca> looking
[15:35] <cjwatson> skaet_: not sure
[15:36] <skaet_> cjwatson, ok, will ping smoser
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Perfect for Xubuntu
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Are ubuntu desktop rebuilding, too?
[15:37] <smoser> skaet_, images went through test, looking at results now.
[15:37] <smoser> i think generally well enough
[15:38] <skaet_> charlie-tca,  yes, desktop is rebuilding as well... will go mark.
[15:38] <skaet_> smoser, so should be updated to today's build?
[15:39] <smoser> oh. i didn't follow that.
[15:39] <smoser> why should we update to today's build ?
[15:39] <smoser> (sorry for being late to the party)
[15:42] <skaet_> picked up a new kernel last night
[15:43] <smoser> ah. then, yeah, i can re-spin tests on todays images
[15:43] <cjwatson> the new kernel was just udeb changes though
[15:43] <skaet_> smoser, bug #676245
[15:43] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 676245 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 -- no network found on ISO install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676245
[15:43] <cjwatson> it doesn't affect EC2
[15:43] <cjwatson> or UEC
[15:44] <cjwatson> that bug only affects images that use d-i
[15:44] <smoser> no. wont affect us
[15:44]  * cjwatson makes http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing-ports/natty_probs.html wowrk
[15:44] <cjwatson> *work
[15:44] <smoser> no installer, *and* no bcm5709
[15:57] <skaet_> smoser, ok.  we'll leave what's there already alone.
[15:58] <tgardner> smoser, are you saying  bug 676245 _isn't_ fixed?
[15:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 676245 in linux (Ubuntu Natty) (and 1 other project) "Broadcom NetXtreme II BCM5709 -- no network found on ISO install (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/676245
[15:58] <cjwatson> tgardner: it's not an issue for smoser's images (EC2/UEC).
[15:59] <tgardner> cjwatson, I know that, but what he's saying  wasn't clear to me.
[15:59] <cjwatson> "no installer, *and* no bcm5709" - i.e. UEC doesn't have an installer, and doesn't have a virtualised bcm5709 device even if it did
[15:59] <tgardner> cjwatson, ah, context is everything
[15:59] <smoser> if i had combined my two lines i think it would appear more clear.  the kernel bug/fix will not affect ec2 images because EC2/UEC have a.) no installer [other than debootstrap/vmbuilder] b.) no broadcom network adapters.
[16:00] <tgardner> smoser, cool. I'm still awaiting positive confirmation that 676245 was just a firmware load issue.
[16:34] <mvo> cjwatson: the extras.ubuntu.com key problem is fixed, lamont was kind enough to fix it (was a server side issue)
[16:35] <cjwatson> thanks.  I guess I'll need to rev apt-setup then
[16:35] <cjwatson> hm, I suspect all alpha-1 systems will fail to have a working extras.ubuntu.com ...
[16:36] <cjwatson> or maybe not
[16:36] <cjwatson> will apt mind if it initially has its extras Release/Release.gpg signed with one key, and then finds that the files on the network are signed with another?
[16:36] <cjwatson> if you remember, we prepopulate signed Release files so that apt won't downgrade to unsigned
[16:37] <lamont> cjwatson: the sync script was failing to resign the releases file.
[16:39] <cjwatson> right, I guessed
[16:43] <charlie-tca> I did a desktop install, and then ran upgrades, and it worked
[16:45] <skaet_> charlie-tca, :)  thanks!
[17:15] <cjwatson> Riddell,ScottK: should I respin Kubuntu desktop (ISO only, the livefs can stay the same) to include wubi on the CD?
[17:15] <ScottK> cjwatson: I'd say no (I think wubi is very low priority for Alpha 1), but Riddell may feel differently.
[17:16] <ScottK> (he should be around too)
[17:16] <Riddell> cjwatson: we need to wait for kdebindings
[17:16] <cjwatson> Riddell: does that mean Kubuntu needs a respin for alpha-1?
[17:16] <Riddell> cjwatson: yes
[17:17] <cjwatson> mvo: ^- can you look at the above analysis about apt-setup and let me know whether you think apt is going to be upset about having the wrong prepopulated Release.gpg?
[17:17] <cjwatson> I'm going to upload fresh installer packages for that anyway, in case they get picked up in respins
[17:18] <cjwatson> but I'd like to know whether Ubuntu desktop should be considered invalid due to this
[17:19] <mvo> cjwatson: I think it will not mind, its only chcking careful for stuff comming from the net (or other external sources). once it in its local namespace/dirspace it trusts it
[17:20] <cjwatson> ok
[17:20] <cjwatson> thanks
[17:43] <cjwatson> I think I've fixed the broken redirects for old ports URLs
[17:43] <skaet_> jibel ^^^
[17:43] <cjwatson> modulo syncing
[17:44] <cjwatson> jibel: the ISO tracker should still update to remove ports/ from all cdimage URLs, though
[17:44] <cjwatson> (if it hasn't already)
[17:45] <jibel> cjwatson, sure, I appended that task to my todo list for post-A1. Thank you for fixing it.
[18:00] <cjwatson> posted Ubuntu alternate/desktop
[18:02] <skaet_> Riddell,  alternates needed for Kubuntu as well?  or just desktop?
[18:03] <Riddell> we need both once kdebindings is in
[18:04] <Riddell> which it doesn't seem to be yet
[18:04] <skaet_> ok, will mark them both as rebuilding then.
[18:13]  * skaet_ heading to lunch, biab
[19:03] <Riddell> kdebindings is in the archive
[19:03] <Riddell> cjwatson: are you doing cd building?  if so go with new kubuntu images
[19:47] <cjwatson> Riddell: building
[19:48] <cjwatson> charlie-tca: Xubuntu desktop posted
[19:48] <cjwatson> Riddell: I'm going out to get dinner - perhaps somebody else can keep an eye on antimony and post Kubuntu images when they're finished
[19:49] <charlie-tca> thanks
[20:05] <skaet_> cjwatson, will keep an eye open for them.
[21:48] <skaet_> Riddell, ScottK,  kubuntu impages posted to isotracker (20101201.1)
[21:49] <ScottK> OK.
[21:50] <cjwatson> BTW, I have an idea how to deal with the transient build failures that plague us on Xubuntu, but it's a bit complicated :-/
[21:51] <cjwatson> what's happening (for the record) is that main/restricted and universe/multiverse are synced separately, because many images only need the former and syncing universe is pretty slow because it's so big
[21:51] <cjwatson> (even if not much has changed, it takes an age to work out that there's nothing to do)
[21:52] <cjwatson> we have a grotty symlink arrangement, but sometimes the Release files get out of sync
[21:52] <cjwatson> so I think I need to adjust how debian-cd's sources.list is built, to use the two separate mirrors properly rather than relying on the symlinks
[21:53] <cjwatson> either that or use lmirror, which I'm told is a lot more efficient than rsync.  that might be a good idea anyway ...
[21:55] <skaet_> cjwatson, is there a good way to get the difference between 20101201 and 20101201.1 for ubuntu desktop & alternate?
[22:00] <cjwatson> sure
[22:00] <cjwatson> diff the two .manifest files (for the livefs) and the two .list files (for the iso9660 filesystem content)
[22:00] <skaet_> was thinking of diffing the manifests, but figured there might be something less burte force.
[22:00] <skaet_> lol
[22:01] <skaet_> brute even
[22:01] <cjwatson> that's what you've got
[22:01] <skaet_> :)  thanks
[22:02] <cjwatson> updated packages: compiz compiz-core compiz-gnome compiz-plugins evolution-data-server evolution-data-server-common gksu jockey-common jockey-gtk libcamel1.2-19 libdecoration0 libebackend1.2-0 libebook1.2-10 libecal1.2-8 libedata-book1.2-8 libedata-cal1.2-10 libedataserver1.2-14 libedataserverui1.2-11 libegroupwise1.2-13 libgupnp-1.0-3 libsyncdaemon-1.0-1 nvidia-96-modaliases python-ubuntuone-client ubuntuone-client ...
[22:02] <cjwatson> ... ubuntuone-client-gnome xterm
[22:02] <cjwatson> (on i386 but I imagine amd64 is similar)
[22:03]  * skaet_ nods
[22:04] <cjwatson> in terms of source packages, that's: compiz evolution-data-server gksu gupnp jockey nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 ubuntuone-client xterm
[22:04] <cjwatson> amd64 confirmed the same
[22:05] <cjwatson> the only change in the .list files is to add wubi
[22:05] <ScottK> I don't suppose there is a server respin coming up?
[22:06] <cjwatson> not on my list, why?
[22:22] <ScottK> I've got a clamav security upload to do.
[22:23] <ScottK> It's not bad enough to cause a respin, but if there was one already planned, I was going to see about getting it in.
[22:26] <cjwatson> I think you might as well upload it anyway, and then it can be included if we need one
[22:26] <ScottK> OK.
[22:26] <ScottK> Let me just test it a bit ....
[23:23] <ScottK> Uploaded.
[23:23] <seb128> cjwatson, skaet_: unity fix uploaded
[23:25] <rickspencer3> thanks ScottK
[23:26] <ScottK> rickspencer3: For?  It wasn't me who uploaded Unity.
[23:26] <rickspencer3> oh
[23:26] <rickspencer3> ScottK well, thanks for just being awesome, then ;)
[23:26]  * ScottK is pretty sure seb128 is a big boy and can upload his own packages ...
[23:27] <rickspencer3> haha
[23:46] <cjwatson> ok.  amd64/i386 accepted so I'm going to run the publisher by hand to hurry things along