[01:18] <arrrghhh> anyone ever used ddrescue?  i never have before, and it's been running for a few days now... the 'image' file is still 0b.
[01:18] <arrrghhh> it appears to be doing something however... it just doesn't seem like anything fruitful.
[01:22] <SpamapS> arrrghhh: whats it supposed to do?
[01:28] <Slyboots> Not sure what I've misconfigured hrere but..
[01:28] <arrrghhh> SpamapS, rebuild a complete disk image i would assume?
[01:28] <Slyboots> Setup dnsmasq and dhcp3 server on my network.. working fine
[01:28] <Slyboots> But if I ping a local machine.. it seems to be routing it via the *external* interface
[01:28] <Slyboots> so if I poing the fileserver.. its pining my external ip instead of the internal
[01:29] <SpamapS> arrrghhh: rebuild from what?
[01:29] <The_Tick> I have a 10.4 box I did an upgrade on, and now I have a few packages which seem to be in limbo
[01:29] <SpamapS> Slyboots: ping it from where?
[01:29] <Slyboots> ... wait somethings really fucked up here
[01:29] <The_Tick> I've tried clearing the cache, dpkg removing and then apt-get -f installing
[01:30] <Slyboots> if I ping *anywhere* like   DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
[01:30] <Slyboots>   DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199
[01:30] <Slyboots> woops
[01:30] <SpamapS> The_Tick: define "in limbo" ?
[01:30] <Slyboots>                                       67.215.65.132
[01:30] <Slyboots> C:\Users\Shinything>ping orange
[01:30] <Slyboots> Pinging orange.slyboots.lan [67.215.65.132] with 32 bytes of data:
[01:30] <Slyboots> Reply from 67.215.65.132: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=53
[01:30] <Slyboots> I dont have a machine called orange
[01:30] <SpamapS> Slyboots: please do NOT paste
[01:30] <SpamapS> Slyboots: http://paste.ubuntu.com
[01:30] <Slyboots> Sorry; my bad
[01:30] <arrrghhh> SpamapS, dead hard drive?   isn't that what ddresuce is for?!?
[01:30] <The_Tick> SpamapS: sec I'll get you a paste :)
[01:30] <SpamapS> arrrghhh: ok so its rebuilding from a hard drive that has lots of errors?
[01:30] <arrrghhh> SpamapS, can't mount the disk.
[01:31] <Slyboots> Pining real hosts like google.com work; but anything thats not a fully formed domain pings that IP address
[01:31] <SpamapS> Slyboots: right, so dnsmasq is mapping everything to your external IP
[01:31] <arrrghhh> it's pretty hosed.  ddrescue seemed to be a last resort attempt.  i can't exactly go down to the platters...
[01:31] <Slyboots> Im not even sure who 67.215.65.132 is..
[01:31] <Slyboots> Thats *not* my ip address
[01:31] <The_Tick> SpamapS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538513/
[01:31] <SpamapS> arrrghhh: right, so ddrescue is going to go through and repeat reads over and over, taking the most commonly returned bytes. But if the disk isn't working, it might not even be able to get anything.
[01:32] <arrrghhh> SpamapS, that seems to be the case, but how can i tell?  it  looks like it's doing something productive, but the output file is 0b.
[01:32] <The_Tick> does fdisk -l even work?
[01:32] <arrrghhh> no
[01:32] <Slyboots> Anyone idea what the heck I've done o.O
[01:33] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: any way you can get it fsck'd?
[01:33] <The_Tick> or is that out of style since 2002?
[01:33] <arrrghhh> lol
[01:33] <arrrghhh> i have no clue if i can fsck it
[01:33] <The_Tick> SpamapS: it's been a while since I used an apt based system, but I'm pretty sure I'm just doing something wrong here
[01:33] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: is it a box next to you, or remote?
[01:34] <arrrghhh> The_Tick, it's in the other room :P  my box, a buddy's hdd.  obviously not the boot disk here.
[01:34] <SpamapS> Slyboots: are you sure dnsmasq is answering queries for slyboots.lan authoritatively?
[01:34] <The_Tick> oh that's good
[01:34] <Slyboots> Okay' its only machines that arnt fully formed domains..
[01:34] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: so back in 02 we'd just reboot in the dc and fsck the disks
[01:34] <The_Tick> to see if there were file system errors
[01:34] <Slyboots> ping google routes to that IP address
[01:35] <Slyboots> ping google. doesnt
[01:35] <arrrghhh> well i'm pretty sure it was an ntfs drive
[01:35] <Slyboots> and .com pings.. well google
[01:35] <The_Tick> do you care about the data on it?
[01:35] <arrrghhh> The_Tick, yes... trying to recover data is the only goal at this point.
[01:35] <SpamapS> Slyboots: that means your DNS search path isn't working right tho
[01:35] <arrrghhh> recovering the hard disk itself would be nice, but i think that ship has sailed.
[01:35] <Slyboots> would that be dnsmasq or dhcpd?
[01:36] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: spindle based disk right?
[01:36] <arrrghhh> Slyboots, sounds like that winpoop client you're using :P
[01:36] <arrrghhh> The_Tick, yes... what other kind is there, ssd?
[01:36] <The_Tick> yea
[01:36] <arrrghhh> ah
[01:36] <arrrghhh> yea... definitely spindle based :P
[01:36] <The_Tick> does it click? :P
[01:36] <arrrghhh> well that's the odd thing... kind of is my best answer.
[01:36] <The_Tick> ok
[01:36] <The_Tick> turn it off
[01:36] <The_Tick> put it in a ziplock
[01:37] <arrrghhh> been there.
[01:37] <The_Tick> put it in the freezer for 30 minutes
[01:37] <The_Tick> bah
[01:37] <arrrghhh> :P
[01:37] <arrrghhh> this isn't my first rodeo.
[01:37] <euphoria1> how to go to usb key in ubuntu-server
[01:37] <The_Tick> ya, figured
[01:37] <arrrghhh> it doesn't click like normal tho.
[01:37] <arrrghhh> by normal i mean almost constant.
[01:37] <The_Tick> euphoria1: check if it's mounted with df -h -T
[01:37] <SpamapS> honestly, haven't you guys learned to use "the cloud" yet for your data? ;)
[01:37] <The_Tick> if it is, just cd to the thing under "Mounted on" on the right
[01:37] <arrrghhh> it clicks once when it spools down.  like it'll spin up, i'll try to access it... CLICK, then the disk spins down, waits a sec and spins back up.
[01:37] <euphoria1> nope
[01:38] <euphoria1> isnt mountet
[01:38] <The_Tick> euphoria1: then you need to figure out how to mount it :)
[01:38] <euphoria1> how to mount
[01:38] <arrrghhh> SpamapS, not mah data :P
[01:38] <The_Tick> euphoria1: I don't know
[01:38] <arrrghhh> i told this dude to backup his pics... didn't listen to me.
[01:38]  * Slyboots hrms
[01:38] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: this is going to sound odd
[01:38] <SpamapS> If my laptop dies today, I'll slap a new HDD in it, install maverick again, and U1+IMAP+Launchpad+Google will have all my data
[01:38] <arrrghhh> k
[01:38] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: go to #windows05 on dalnet
[01:38] <euphoria1> how to mount usb key
[01:38] <The_Tick> ask in there
[01:38] <The_Tick> they sometimes have good ideas
[01:38] <arrrghhh> lol really?
[01:38] <The_Tick> ya
[01:39] <The_Tick> they don't just use windows
[01:39] <arrrghhh> man.  i've thrown all my guns at it.  even hiren's boot cd.
[01:39] <The_Tick> but just talk about how the disk is screwed
[01:39] <The_Tick> not about how it's on linux
[01:39] <arrrghhh> never had to use something like ddrescue.
[01:39] <arrrghhh> hrm ok.
[01:39] <The_Tick> have a mac?
[01:39] <Slyboots> So. rather confused what the solution might be
[01:39] <The_Tick> I had one disk that just wouldn't go
[01:39] <arrrghhh> i don't really care how i fix it, i just want to fix it.  no, too cheap/not trendy enough to own a mac :P
[01:39] <The_Tick> disk rescue 2 got it
[01:39] <arrrghhh> disk rescue 2?
[01:39] <The_Tick> some app
[01:39] <euphoria1> how to mount usb key
[01:40] <arrrghhh> oh.  mac stuff.
[01:40] <The_Tick> euphoria1: put that into google, see if it brings up anything
[01:40] <arrrghhh> lol
[01:40] <The_Tick> SpamapS: any ideas on the problem in my paste?
[01:40] <qman__> euphoria1, mkdir /media/usb; sudo mound /dev/sdb1 /media/usb
[01:40] <qman__> replace sdb1 with whatever your USB key is
[01:41] <qman__> mount*
[01:41] <arrrghhh> and mound with mount :P
[01:41] <arrrghhh> sorry
[01:41] <The_Tick> qman__: he can just use fdisk -l to see it right?
[01:41] <qman__> yes, or dmesg
[01:41] <qman__> when you plug it in it usually pops on screen
[01:41] <The_Tick> ok, so not any different, thought it was
[01:41] <arrrghhh> there's 10 ways, ls -lah /dev/disk/by-uuid
[01:41] <arrrghhh> qman__, -server? :P
[01:41] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: heh
[01:42] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: any ideas on http://paste.ubuntu.com/538513/
[01:42] <The_Tick> or qman__ ? :)
[01:42] <qman__> arrrghhh, by pops on, I meant the messages, new device sdb on USB blah blah blah
[01:42] <arrrghhh> taking too long to load, losing interest
[01:42] <arrrghhh> qman__, haha fair enough;.
[01:43] <arrrghhh> man failed to load at all
[01:43] <Slyboots> Anyone any idea?
[01:43] <Slyboots> Beyond "Dns search path" not working
[01:43] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: the paste did?
[01:43] <arrrghhh> Slyboots, didn't you read what i said?
[01:43] <arrrghhh> The_Tick, yes...
[01:43] <The_Tick> well let me solve that :)
[01:43] <arrrghhh> porn&irc work, so it's your link :P
[01:43] <Slyboots> arrrghhh: What? other than "your client sucks"
[01:43] <arrrghhh> Slyboots, lol no you need to fix your client.
[01:44] <Slyboots> Its Windows 7 o.O
[01:44] <arrrghhh> but yes, your client sucks.
[01:44] <arrrghhh> ...#ubuntu-server?
[01:44] <Slyboots> ... Yea thats really helpful
[01:44] <The_Tick> http://pastie.org/1337129
[01:44] <qman__> The_Tick, I can't get to your link, not sure if it's down or what
[01:44] <Slyboots> Yes.. Im running the DNS/DHCP on ubuntu-server
[01:44] <qman__> that one works
[01:44] <Slyboots> Windows 7 is my client
[01:44] <The_Tick> new paste website, I choose you
[01:44] <The_Tick> ooh, they even have fancy bash color coding
[01:45] <SpamapS> The_Tick: looking now
[01:45] <The_Tick> thanks guys
[01:45]  * Slyboots rubs his eyes
[01:45] <Slyboots> this is stressful
[01:45] <The_Tick> Slyboots: dns problems?
[01:45] <qman__> The_Tick, well, something is wrong with procps, but what that is isn't clear
[01:45] <The_Tick> qman__: agreed
[01:45] <qman__> try clearing out your apport reports so it makes one
[01:45] <arrrghhh> The_Tick, looks like you've got two issues.  the upstart issue with procps, and the dependency issue with initramfs-tools
[01:45] <The_Tick> that's where I'm lost
[01:46] <SpamapS> The_Tick: I think you might need to do a force on the procps configure
[01:46] <arrrghhh> "package udev is not configured yet"
[01:46] <arrrghhh> ^^ initramfs-tools problem
[01:46] <arrrghhh> sorry bot... :S
[01:46] <arrrghhh> didn't mean to give you heartburn.
[01:47] <qman__> yeah, ^ was a very poor choice of command character
[01:47] <Slyboots> The_Tick: Moved my DHCP server onto my ubuntu box
[01:47] <The_Tick> Slyboots: is the old one still up?
[01:47] <Slyboots> But now if I ping anything thats not a fully formed domain name; it pings $host.slyboots.co.ul
[01:47] <Slyboots> But some random IP
[01:47] <Slyboots> No
[01:47] <The_Tick> go get that one back up
[01:47] <SpamapS> tho, I'm a little confused as to what jobs procps starts
[01:47] <The_Tick> then change the scope on the new one to another internal network
[01:48] <The_Tick> and only allow for 2 clients so you can troubleshoot
[01:48] <The_Tick> that way you're less stressed
[01:48] <Slyboots> Well I know it works fine if I take the other DHCP server up
[01:48] <SpamapS> ahh a task
[01:48] <Slyboots> Its not a *huge* deal; normal DNS resolution to say "google.com" is fine
[01:48] <SpamapS> The_Tick: check /var/log/daemon.log
[01:49] <Slyboots> Its oonly non-valid domains like "testbox" or whatever; resolve to that random IP address
[01:49] <The_Tick> grep for "error" or anything else?
[01:49] <The_Tick> Slyboots: try going to testbox.
[01:49] <The_Tick> add the period
[01:49] <arrrghhh> it seems like your issue is client side Slyboots.  the dns append thing on your network connections
[01:49] <Slyboots> Yea; adding the peroid stops it pining "No such host"
[01:50] <Slyboots> Which is.. correct behavior
[01:50] <The_Tick> Slyboots: it has to do with dns
[01:50] <The_Tick> not really the dhcp
[01:50] <The_Tick> SpamapS: nothing really there
[01:50] <The_Tick> qman__: so how do I clear that?
[01:50] <The_Tick> I'm googling but if you know off hand
[01:51] <Slyboots> This was working fine for weeks before I moved the DHCP server
[01:51] <arrrghhh> Slyboots, this happens on all your client pcs?
[01:51] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: ya, I see that, but I'm not sure why it's not going through whenever I play the cleanup the package game
[01:51] <arrrghhh> The_Tick, did you try forcing it?
[01:52] <qman__> The_Tick, I don't know, I was searching too
[01:52] <SpamapS> The_Tick: ok, well its probably failing trying to run the commands in /etc/init/procps.conf
[01:52] <Slyboots> Same behavoir
[01:52] <arrrghhh> Slyboots, so you don't have anything in the append dns suffix section?
[01:52] <Slyboots> in dnsmasq?
[01:53] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: trying to figure out the syntax
[01:53] <arrrghhh> no on your client pcs
[01:53] <The_Tick> SpamapS: now to cat that file, bwa ha
[01:53] <arrrghhh> The_Tick, i would think just a dpkg-configure udev
[01:53] <The_Tick> oh crap
[01:53] <The_Tick> it's sysctl
[01:53] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: which fails :)
[01:53] <Slyboots> Mmm
[01:54] <Slyboots> "DNS Suffix Search List: slyboots.lan"
[01:54] <arrrghhh> The_Tick, oic.  odd.
[01:54] <arrrghhh> Slyboots, ....
[01:54] <The_Tick> ooh
[01:54] <Slyboots> Is that wrong o.O?
[01:54] <arrrghhh> LOL
[01:54] <Slyboots> I thought that was just like a local network name
[01:54] <arrrghhh> dude.
[01:54] <arrrghhh> that appends that suffix on anything that it considers local.
[01:54] <qman__> nothing wrong with it, but that's where it's looking
[01:54] <The_Tick> http://pastie.org/1337144
[01:54] <arrrghhh> Slyboots, told you it was your client :P
[01:55] <Slyboots> Actually no
[01:55] <Slyboots> It was the server
[01:55] <The_Tick> oh man, this looks like stupid firewall crap
[01:55] <Slyboots> dhpd3 has an optional "domain name"
[01:55] <arrrghhh> oh you had the server specify that value in the dhcp option?
[01:55] <arrrghhh> yea.
[01:55] <Slyboots> Just commented it out and.. well now its working
[01:55] <arrrghhh> lol
[01:55] <arrrghhh> that's only if you're in a domain.
[01:56] <qman__> Slyboots, that is a correct configuration for a local zone, but you have to actually have the zone configured
[01:56] <qman__> that's how I have mine set up
[01:56] <qman__> but I have a DNS zone with my local addresses and names
[01:56] <Slyboots> Ah; well since Im not 100% what it does.. and disabling fixes it
[01:56] <Slyboots> I'll just leave it disabled :)
[01:56] <arrrghhh> hahaha
[01:56] <arrrghhh> yea i try not to enable something unless i know what it does.
[01:57] <arrrghhh> i hate configuring things on our cisco call manager servers lol
[01:57] <Slyboots> Ah its all good pratice :)
[01:57] <Slyboots> Its a leanring experiance
[01:57] <Slyboots> "Hmm.. turning this on causes me to catch fire.. think I'll leave it off"
[01:57] <arrrghhh> well gotta learn how to troubleshoot dude :P
[01:57] <arrrghhh> if you put your feet aflame, gotta know how to put 'em out ;)
[01:57] <Slyboots> :D
[01:58] <SpamapS> oh wonderful.. looks like a bunch of canonical's properties are suffering right now.. :p
[01:58] <arrrghhh> haha
[01:58] <arrrghhh> "properties"?
[01:59] <SpamapS> arrrghhh: launchpad, ubuntu one.. things Canonical owns.
[01:59] <arrrghhh> oh, ok.
[02:00] <arrrghhh> meh.  shuttleworth can just pump more monies into the engine.
[02:00] <The_Tick> oh crap
[02:00] <The_Tick> that was it
[02:00] <arrrghhh> poop?
[02:01] <SpamapS> The_Tick: that might be a legitimate bug
[02:01] <The_Tick> SpamapS: could be
[02:02] <SpamapS> The_Tick: or did you just put bad stuff in sysctl.d ? ;)
[02:02] <The_Tick> I didn't, but I'm sure there might be other junk that was
[02:02] <The_Tick> anyhow, commented out things that it errored about
[02:02] <SpamapS> The_Tick: either way, thats why we need console logged back. ;)
[02:02]  * SpamapS is working on it
[02:04] <Slyboots> woo' thats local DNS and DHCP working
[02:05] <Slyboots> Fun times!
[02:05] <The_Tick> SpamapS: if the package didn't mess with it, I can get you the files that I had to comment things out on
[02:05] <The_Tick> if that'll help
[02:06] <The_Tick> in fact, I can just paste it all
[02:14] <Slyboots> Right'; next fun thing to get going is.. network boot
[02:18] <arrrghhh> Slyboots, pxe booting to image machines or for lstp?
[02:18] <arrrghhh> or ltsp, whatever it is lol
[02:18] <Slyboots> image machines
[02:19] <arrrghhh> nice.  do you use clonezilla?
[02:19] <Slyboots> I use XBMC and I'm playing with the idea of pushing the OS over NFS :)
[02:19] <Slyboots> I'vfe not even tested it yet; just playing with the idea
[02:19] <arrrghhh> hrm
[02:19] <The_Tick> I don't think I'd go that far with a video setup
[02:19] <arrrghhh> yea i figured out how to pxe boot and drop linux images real easy.
[02:19] <The_Tick> you want it to work and forget about it
[02:19]  * Slyboots nods
[02:20] <Slyboots> It doenst look terribly complicated
[02:20] <The_Tick> just get it to connect to the nets
[02:20] <arrrghhh> i'd like to figure out how to just throw iso's at a pxe server and image machines at will.
[02:20] <arrrghhh> haven't figured that out yet.
[02:20] <The_Tick> arrrghhh: vmware esxi :P
[02:20] <arrrghhh> lol
[02:20] <The_Tick> or rather, the citrix vm software
[02:20] <The_Tick> you can build templates
[02:20] <The_Tick> and it reads iso's
[02:20] <arrrghhh> yea i guess our network crap was all prebuild images...
[02:21] <arrrghhh> since all the hardware is pretty similar they just baked in the drivers.  bah.
[02:21] <arrrghhh> what i really want probably isn't possible.  just me dreamin :P
[02:21] <The_Tick> sure it is
[02:21] <qman__> I recently had to get a pxe DOS image working to install windows XP on a laptop
[02:21] <arrrghhh> being able to drop linux images via the network is very nice.
[02:21] <qman__> which had a dead DVD drive and could not boot from USB
[02:21] <The_Tick> qman__: I might have to find the old debian netboot install to get linux onto a libretto 50ct
[02:21] <arrrghhh> qman__, sounds like fun :P
[02:21] <qman__> linux images should be a lot easier
[02:22] <arrrghhh> qman__, they are pretty easy.
[02:22] <arrrghhh> i was able to set it up pretty easily, i was surprised.
[02:22] <arrrghhh> the most difficult part was probably setting up dhcp on the server instead of my router.
[02:22] <arrrghhh> and that wasn't too difficult :P
[02:22] <qman__> one of those "eventually" things
[02:23] <qman__> I'd like to get a basic PXE image going on my main DHCP server
[02:25] <qman__> as someone who works on computers, it'd be nice to not have to burn and swap CDs to test hardware and install operating systems
[02:25] <arrrghhh> qman__, well when you do, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer <--- all i needed.
[02:26] <arrrghhh> yep, that's why i did it.
[02:26] <arrrghhh> much easier to image machines thru pxe.  just wish i could drop windoze images as easily haha
[02:26] <qman__> yeah, not so simple there
[02:26] <arrrghhh> assuming their machine is licensed for the version of windows i'm installing, and i use their key i assume that's legit... but not really a topic for this room.
[02:27] <arrrghhh> i guess the pxe linux server that drops windows images is.
[02:27] <qman__> I speculate one could get a windows XP ready-to-install image, but then you still have to convert to ntfs and wait on the install
[02:27] <arrrghhh> I'm sure with BartPE it'd be doable.
[02:27] <arrrghhh> if not... dare i say easy?
[02:27] <qman__> the only other way is to install XP and set it up for imaging
[02:27] <arrrghhh> i should look into it.
[02:27] <qman__> which is possible but you still run into problems sometimes
[02:27] <arrrghhh> yea, driver-related mosly.
[02:27] <qman__> for vista and newer I have no idea
[02:27] <arrrghhh> mostly.
[02:28] <arrrghhh> for 7... that probably isn't such an issue.
[02:28] <qman__> trouble is though, you'd need a different image for each type of license key
[02:29] <qman__> different editions, OEM or retail, and even different OEM images
[02:29] <arrrghhh> damn windows.  yea, i guess pxe should stick to linux.
[02:29] <arrrghhh> :P
[02:29] <qman__> certain HP and Dell licenses won't work with generic OEM discs
[02:29] <arrrghhh> until recently microsoft didn't even have their own imaging system.
[02:29] <qman__> you need an HP/Dell specific version
[02:29] <qman__> fortunately they mostly did away with that mess with vista
[02:30] <qman__> a lot less discs
[02:30] <arrrghhh> ha
[02:30] <qman__> but it's still a mess of licenses, one of the best benefits of linux
[02:31] <arrrghhh> indeed
[02:31] <qman__> it's a bit off topic, but did you know windows 7 home premium can't backup to a network share?
[02:31] <arrrghhh> lol
[02:31] <arrrghhh> no, and fail.
[02:32] <arrrghhh> even third party software?
[02:32] <qman__> a misfeature, disabled intentionally to make you pay more
[02:32] <qman__> no, the built in tools
[02:32] <arrrghhh> oic
[02:32] <patdk-lap> heh, I didn't think home editions could do any networking stuff
[02:32] <arrrghhh> indeed.
[02:32] <arrrghhh> lol they can't even network.
[02:32] <arrrghhh> no internets, must buy ultimate edition for that...
[02:32] <qman__> it's the same tool as the professional version
[02:33] <qman__> just disabled
[02:33] <patdk-lap> I finally hit the ipv6 issues in windows, that we have had in some linux things for awhile now
[02:33] <qman__> gotta have a USB disk or use DVDs
[02:33] <patdk-lap> as programs start to use ipv6 in windows
[02:34] <patdk-lap> what makes me really upset, is you have to have ultimate edition, if you want to use a language other than english :(
[02:35] <arrrghhh> patdk-lap, really?  what about that stupid starter edition, that they don't even sell in the US?
[02:35] <patdk-lap> well, I'm english native
[02:35] <Slyboots> I've seen a few netbooks with STarter edition on it
[02:36] <patdk-lap> but I do like to type in other languages, so ultimate is required :(
[02:36] <patdk-lap> I guess I could just dualboot two copies of windows to work around it, but not fun
[02:36] <arrrghhh> Slyboots, really?  i didn't think they sold it in the states.  or was there an even more basic edition?
[02:36] <qman__> yeah, it has other language support, but it's crippled
[02:36] <ScottK> Would you all mind taking the bitching about Windows elsewhere.  It's off topic here.
[02:36] <shauno> I'll have to be a pedant, and point out you don't need windows ultimate to use multiple languages.   every OS I have does so just fine :)
[02:37] <arrrghhh> indeed.  didn't realize you had a question... didn't think we were bothering anyone that did have a question.
[02:37]  * patdk-lap hands out spankings to the channel
[02:38] <arrrghhh> lol
[02:38] <arrrghhh> ScottK, what's your question?
[02:38] <ScottK> arrrghhh: Whether I have a question or not doesn't make bitching about Windows on topic.
[02:38] <arrrghhh> oh no it's definitely OT.
[02:38] <ScottK> So please take it elsewhere.
[02:39] <arrrghhh> i just don't see it bothering anyone unless we are preventing people from getting support.
[02:39] <ScottK> I tend to read this channel in case people have questions.
[02:40] <euphoria1> im connecting
[02:40] <euphoria1> to my wifi through ubuntu-server
[02:40] <euphoria1> but i get no internet
[02:40] <ScottK> So the continuing chatter causes me to keep checking.
[02:40] <ScottK> It's annoying.
[02:40] <arrrghhh> awwww
[02:40] <arrrghhh> sorry to annoy you.
[02:40] <arrrghhh> euphoria1, have you tried iwlist?
[02:40] <yann2> qman__, http://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2007/fall/antifeatures/ :)
[02:40] <Slyboots> arrrghhh: aye; seen at on a few acer netbooks at the airport
[02:40] <arrrghhh> or what is it.... iwscan or something?
[02:40] <Slyboots> I didnt think it was used at all but.. go figure
[02:41] <euphoria1> yes
[02:41] <arrrghhh> euphoria1, can you see networks?
[02:41]  * patdk-lap wonders what exactly conecting to my wifi through ubuntu-server means
[02:41] <euphoria1> yes
[02:41] <euphoria1> i installed all drivers
[02:41] <euphoria1> etc
[02:41] <patdk-lap> laptop -> ubuntu-server -> wifi?
[02:42] <euphoria1> im connecting to the wifi server
[02:42] <euphoria1> but still no internet connection on the server
[02:42] <arrrghhh> i'm assuming he has a router that is wifi, and a usb dongle or something on the server to connect to the router.
[02:42] <euphoria1> no
[02:42] <arrrghhh> euphoria1, am i correct in that assumption or are you trying to make the ubuntu server a wifi router?
[02:42] <euphoria1> im using usb card
[02:42] <euphoria1> no
[02:42] <euphoria1> i share internet with guy next door
[02:42] <arrrghhh> ...
[02:42] <euphoria1> so thats why i use wifi for server
[02:42] <arrrghhh> "share"
[02:43] <arrrghhh> so why'd you say no to my first question?
[02:43] <arrrghhh> you weren't saying no to me perhaps.
[02:43] <arrrghhh> anyhoo
[02:43] <patdk-lap> does he have an AP? or just another wifi dongle thing?
[02:45] <arrrghhh> euphoria1, let's start at square one.  what does "sudo iwlist scan" give?
[02:45] <euphoria1> my essid
[02:45] <arrrghhh> ok
[02:46] <arrrghhh> did you configure it in /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:46] <patdk-lap> arrrghh, this is what he wants, internet -> ubuntu-server+usb wifi -> internet for neighbor
[02:46] <euphoria1> yes
[02:46] <euphoria1> arrrghhh im connecting to my essid all
[02:46] <euphoria1> but still no internet connection
[02:46] <arrrghhh> is it wpa?
[02:46] <arrrghhh> patdk-lap, i don't think so...
[02:47] <euphoria1> wpa psk
[02:47] <arrrghhh> euphoria1, do you have wpa supplicant installed?
[02:47] <euphoria1> yes
[02:47] <euphoria1> all of them
[02:47] <arrrghhh> all of them?
[02:48] <euphoria1> tools
[02:48] <euphoria1> wpa suplicant
[02:48] <euphoria1> wlan tools
[02:48] <arrrghhh> wpasupplicant
[02:48] <arrrghhh> you used wpa_passphrase to convert the key to hex, put it in the interfaces file?
[02:48] <arrrghhh> can you pastebin your /etc/network/interfaces?
[02:49] <euphoria1> its on my server
[02:49] <euphoria1> cant copy paste
[02:49] <arrrghhh> ...
[02:49] <arrrghhh> you don't have ssh?
[02:49] <arrrghhh> how do you access the server?
[02:49] <patdk-lap> pastebinit :)
[02:50] <arrrghhh> i was going to suggest ix.io :P
[02:50] <euphoria1> im on my server
[02:50] <euphoria1> right now
[02:50] <euphoria1> here im just with laptop
[02:51] <arrrghhh> you have no LAN?
[02:51] <arrrghhh> oh right, stealing internet from your neighbor...
[02:51] <arrrghhh> :P
[02:51] <euphoria1> :P
[02:51] <arrrghhh> well start typin.  just put in the wireless interface stuff, you can skip the hex psk
[02:52] <arrrghhh> i think there's a manual way to connect with iwconfig.
[02:53] <arrrghhh> euphoria1, have you tried that?  connecting manually with iwconfig?  there definitely is.  i've just never had the need to put wifi on my server.
[02:54] <arrrghhh> definitely a way that is.  man iwconfig for the madness.
[03:01] <Callum__> hey look., there's people in here that talk
[03:01] <Callum__> good, cause I have my own issue ^_~
[03:02] <Callum__> okay, so my print server can print anything, but jobs that have Japanese characters in them.. seriously, anything thats completely in English is fine, and even Arabic and Chinese work fine
[03:02] <Callum__> but Japanese, makes my printers freeze up and the job doesn't get done
[03:02] <Callum__> I'm thinking its font related, any ideas? I have the ttf-msttcorefonts packages installed on the computers that I am printing from, and installed it on the server but to no avail
[03:03] <arrrghhh> sorry dude... i don't print in japanese i guess :P
[03:04] <arrrghhh> http://tlug.jp/craigoda/writings/linux-nihongo/node68.html
[03:05] <arrrghhh> maybe that'll help if you haven't seen it.  i would hope you have already tho...
[03:23] <faranda> hi there...
[03:25] <faranda> I have running a hardy (ubuntu 8.04) with kernel 2.6.36
[03:25] <faranda> I have problem with apparmor
[03:27] <faranda> I build a deb package from source apparmor-2.1+1075
[03:28] <faranda> the problem is in the init script
[03:28] <faranda> root@hardy:~# /etc/init.d/apparmor start
[03:28] <faranda> Loading AppArmor profiles - failed, Do you have the correct privileges?: Failed.
[03:34] <faranda> anybody help me with apparmor in ubuntu 8.04, kernel 2.6.36 ?
[03:35] <faranda> when I run init script, show me the message :    Loading AppArmor profiles - failed, Do you have the correct privileges?: Failed.
[03:36] <faranda> when I run apparmor_status, show me the message :    apparmor module is loaded.  You do not have enough privilege to read the profile set.
[03:45] <fluvvell> Hi guys, I've just got a nice new quad core IBM x3100 M3, I'm going to install server 10.04 on it, but I'm not sure whether to use the onboard raid, or whether to use software raid and go throught the setup hurdles
[03:54] <qman__> faranda, sorry, but I don't know much about it, and since you're not using supported packages, most people here won't be able to help
[03:54] <qman__> best place to start looking is at where it's looking for the profiles, and the permissions/existence of them
[04:02] <faranda> qman__: ok, I check that. Thanks
[04:57] <banker247> what is the best way for a small organization to host vtigercrm on its own servers and allow outside access?
[04:59] <faranda> qman__: the problem is compatibility with apparmor 2.1 and kernel 2.6.36
[05:00] <faranda> I change the kernel to 2.6.35-23.41
[05:00] <faranda> everything ok
[05:04] <april__> what happens if i delete '.bashrc' and '.bash_logout' from a users /home directory-
[05:26] <UndiFineD> bash shell would revert to the default set in /etc
[05:38] <databits> what is the irc command to open up a new server window ?
[05:47] <banker247> can you access your local host without it being on a router?
[05:53] <qman__> databits, depends on your client
[05:53] <qman__> banker247, 127.0.0.1 will be accessible as soon as the network stack is loaded
[05:55] <banker247> qman__, i'm having problems connecting to it remotely..
[05:55] <banker247> i used no-ip to set everything up.. so its not just my ip i can connect locally but outside my LAN its not letting me in
[05:56] <qman__> banker247, well, do you have internet access?
[05:56] <banker247> yes
[05:56] <qman__> if you do, and you're sharing that internet access, you're behind a router
[05:56] <qman__> you must configure port forwarding or DMZ in that router
[05:56] <banker247> the computer i'm trying to login to my localhost is not here its at another place
[05:57] <qman__> "localhost" means 127.0.0.1
[05:57] <banker247> right
[05:57] <banker247> can i open something in private chat for u?
[05:57] <qman__> I don't mind
[07:10] <databits> what is the command to check and see what service's I have running on my server ?
[07:11] <joschi> databits: `ps aux` for example
[07:11] <joschi> databits: or `pstree`
[07:11] <joschi> databits: or `service --status-all`
[07:12] <joschi> databits: all depending on what you exactly mean by "service"
[07:12] <databits> well I have a irc server running on my linux box, and I'm not able to connect to the server so I want to check and see if it is running
[07:13] <databits> I have the worst memory, I'm having a hard time remember what type of irc daemon I even have running on here lol
[07:13] <databits> I had a little network issue, where all my downstream bandwidth was being ate up.  So I shut down my server, to check and see if it was something running off my linux box
[07:14] <databits> now everything seems to be running but my irc d
[07:14] <databits> ah it is unreal I beleive
[07:15] <databits> what is the command to search the drive for a directory ?
[07:17] <databits> Unable to connect to server (Connection refused)
[07:17] <databits> looks like the server is blocking the request
[07:18] <jay3> hmmm I always wanted to know how to set an irc server up there databits
[07:21] <databits> unreal is an excellent ircd.  Woudl you like me to send the Daemon over to you ?
[07:21] <databits> jsy3 ?
[07:21] <jay3> sure
[07:21] <jay3> please and thank you
[07:22] <databits> here you are sir
[07:22] <jay3> hang on
[07:22] <jay3> gotta setup something to accept the request
[07:22] <databits> ok
[07:23] <databits> I'm pretty new to the whole linux game, and I was able to get it setup and running in a night
[07:23] <databits> so if you half was know what you are doing, should be no problem for you :)
[07:23] <jay3> yeah I run a new irc client so takes few to get the hang of things
[07:23] <databits> I love this daemon because it is has so many different configurations and settings
[07:24] <jay3> ok adding you to my dcc here
[07:24] <databits> I run windows 7 for all my client machines, and have a linux server for all my daemons
[07:24] <jay3> yeah I run here
[07:25] <jay3> windows 7 as well
[07:26] <databits> awesome
[07:26] <jay3> ok try again
[07:26] <jay3> please and thank you
[07:27] <jay3> acidmax is the client which I have to turn off two options
[07:27] <databits> whats your email I will just shoot you an email real quick... does not seem to want to work right now
[07:28] <jay3> yeah
[07:28] <jay3> there ya go just sent you a private message
[07:28] <jay3> for my email
[07:30] <jay3> its mtbardal4545@hotmail.com
[07:30] <joschi> jay3: do yourself a favor and don't install unreal ircd from an untrusted source
[07:31] <databits> joschi: it is solid... running same package myself for quite a while now
[07:31] <databits> no issues
[07:31] <joschi> jay3: there are several ircds in ubuntu's package repository which you could use. they are tested and signed, in contrast to the file from databits
[07:32] <databits> there you go jay3
[07:33] <databits> joschi: I did a lil research, and found that unreal was one of the best ircd's out their. Unreal is not in the repositories.  Otherwise I would have installed it from their, trust me.  kind of a headache for a noob.  I got it working though... Yay!
[07:34] <databits> I checked out some of the other IRCd's in the repositories, and none of them had the features or config's like unreal does.
[08:12] <banker247> http://www.000webhost.com/ will this be able to run apache2 and vtigercrm?
[10:05] <ajushi_> hi everyone. I've installed UEC and got it up and running but when I create a volume and attach it to an instance it appears and disappears. and in my instance I can't seem to see it using sudo fdisk -l
[11:42] <soko> On 10.04 with Apache 2.2.14 (which has SNI) I have 2 SSL sites configured yet I still get "[warn] _default_ VirtualHost overlap on port 443, the first has precedence". I thought that with SNI one can have many SSL sites on the same IP/port. Is there anything extra I need to configure?
[12:10] <databits> what is the command to search for a file or folder ?
[12:13] <alcy> After installing heartbeat, there is a /etc/heartbeat directory as well as /etc/ha.d directory with same contents. the init script refers to ha.d. so...any particular significance of the heartbeat directory ?
[12:19] <zacharynewb> Hi.
[12:20] <zacharynewb> Everyone! :D
[12:23] <zacharynewb> HI
[12:23] <zacharynewb> Hello, how are you?
[13:11] <Psi-Jack> Heh fun.. Found a bug in the dovecot init.d script.
[13:13] <Psi-Jack> In fact, it's not a problem with dovecot's script itself at all, but ubuntu's lsb-init functions.
[13:24] <databits> there is a configuration option for postfix "sendmail_path =" I'm unsure as to what goes here.  Can someone help me out plz
[13:24] <lucascastro>  /J #ubuntu-quality
[13:24] <lamont> databits: the default is /usr/sbin/sendmail
[13:24] <lamont> and there should be no need to change it
[13:25] <databits> well it is empty
[13:25] <databits> just says = blank
[13:25] <databits> lol
[13:25] <patdk-wk> did you use postconf to find that out?
[13:25] <lamont> where?
[13:25] <patdk-wk> sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/sendmail
[13:26] <databits> I'm using nano editor to edit the config file
[13:26] <patdk-wk> use postconf
[13:26] <patdk-wk> postconf shows you what postfix sees
[13:26] <lamont> there is sometimes this thought that one should have config file with every option on the planet specified.  this nearly always leads to tears.
[13:26] <databits> how do I go about using postconf ?
[13:27] <lamont> sendmail_path is not in the delivered main.cf, which is minimalist in nature
[13:27] <patdk-wk> type postconf :)
[13:28] <databits> all that did is list all the config stuff their are alot of blank options
[13:28] <databits> does not allow me to edit any of them
[13:28] <patdk-wk> it shows you ALL settings for postfix
[13:28] <patdk-wk> and what they are currently set to
[13:28] <patdk-wk> what does the sendmail setting say?
[13:29] <databits> I can't go back up that high
[13:29] <patdk-wk> postconf | grep sendmail
[13:29] <lamont> man postconf
[13:29] <databits> I'm not worried about seeing what they are allready set to ... I need to set the settings so it will work
[13:30] <patdk-wk> if your changing that settings, something is probably wrong, or your doing something extreemly odd
[13:30] <patdk-wk> cause your going give yourself headaches down the road
[13:30] <databits> Ive never setup postfix before
[13:30] <lamont> there are about 40 lines in the stock postfix/main.cf.  sendmail_path is not one of them
[13:31] <databits> their was not a main.cf file in the directory so I had to get a blank config and cp to the directory
[13:31] <lamont> rm /etc/postfix/main.cf; dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[13:32] <databits> thanks lamon
[13:32] <databits> lamont
[13:32] <lamont> it sounds like when you installed it, you told it "no configuration", so it did what you said. :(
[13:33] <databits> I'm running a website, and I want to have email accounts for the site
[13:33] <databits> which I can receive email through php forms and what not
[13:34] <databits> so I would choose internet site ?
[13:34] <lamont> most likley
[13:35] <lamont> it's more a question of how you deliver mail - internet site, or internet site with relay host
[13:35] <lamont> if you have to relay mail out through some other mail server, you want the latter
[13:36] <databits> well basicly I'm running my webserver which has the php form's on the linux server which is running the mail server
[13:37] <databits> so I want to be able to use sendmail command to take the data in the form and send it to the smtp server on the linux server
[13:37] <SlimG> Has anyone set up DevMan (HP UPS Agent) on linux, and know what the difference between DevManRA and DevManBE is? I need one that can listen to the serialport
[13:37] <databits> so I can access the emails which are created... also I want to be able to send email's out using my domain which I'm going to be purchasing later today
[13:37] <lamont> databits: with a relay host then. and that host is the linux server
[13:38] <patdk-wk> databits, make sure you get all your hostnames setup correctly for sending email
[13:38]  * lamont needs to wander
[13:38] <patdk-wk> reverse dns, forward dns, mx, and helo names
[13:40] <databits> thanks for the help so far... I will be back in just a quick few have to go pick something up real quick
[13:40] <databits> hopefully help will still be around :)
[13:40]  * ZacLnxNewb_ loves you guys for helping him  become more familiar with his linux server
[14:16] <zul> soren: yeah so really just the one apport hook is needed because you only have one configuration file for everything now and it will provide a list of the packages that are installed as well
[14:17] <soren> zul: I understand why we only need one. I just don't understand why it only gets installed for nova-api.
[14:18] <soren> zul: And not nova-common, for instance.
[14:18] <zul> hmm....lemme think about that
[14:22] <zul> soren: for some reason if i do source_nova.py it wont register with apport
[14:26] <databits> you still around everyone for help ?
[14:27] <databits> so I want to select internet with smarthost correct ?
[14:38] <patdk-wk> you only want smarthost IF you are forwarding all outgoing email to another email server, that will send on your behalf
[14:39] <patdk-wk> if you are sending emails directly to gmail/yahoo/hotmail/.... then no
[14:42] <databits> ok excellent... and any emails that would be made in a form will be able to be received with no issue also correct ?
[14:46] <patdk-wk> that doesn't have anything to do with any of that :)
[14:47] <patdk-wk> but generally, unless you really screw something up, yes
[14:47] <RoyK> databits: you probably want a smarthost if you're on a public ISP, they may block SMTP to avoid spamming
[14:47] <patdk-wk> residentual isp
[14:47] <databits> I'm trying to remember how I had it setup before
[14:48] <databits> I almost think I was using comcast mail server for my smarthost last time I had a mail server
[14:48] <RoyK> patdk-wk: try to telnet zimbra.karlsbakk.net 25
[14:48] <RoyK> if you reach it, you don't need to use a relay
[14:50] <patdk-wk> why do I care?
[14:50] <patdk-wk> I'm already running like 30+ email server without smarthosts
[14:51] <RoyK> then no worries
[14:51] <databits> ya I'm able to connect :)
[14:51] <databits> awesome
[14:53] <databits> should I have it setup to only relay mail for the local host ?
[14:54] <RoyK> usually, unless your users need to use it as a relay host. if so, setup authentication for that
[14:54] <RoyK> opening up for public relay isn't very wise.....
[14:55] <databits> I just wanna be able to connect to it using outlook to send and receive mail
[14:55] <databits> I want people to be able to send me mail at my .com address, and I want to be able to send mail from my .com address
[14:56] <databits> 127.0.0.0/8 [::ffff:127.0.0.0]/104 [::1]/128__
[14:56] <databits> that is what the default is
[14:56] <RoyK> then you'll need to open for smtp from your users. if they are on a separate subnet, just open up for that. if they're on the net somewhere, you'll need to use smtp auth
[14:57] <databits> should I just click "ok" ?
[15:06] <databits> Running newaliases
[15:06] <databits> newaliases: warning: valid_hostname: misplaced delimiter: ubuntu.hsd1.mi.comcast.net.
[15:06] <databits> newaliases: fatal: file /etc/postfix/main.cf: parameter myhostname: bad parameter value: ubuntu.hsd1.mi.comcast.net.
[15:06] <databits> I keep receiving those error's and I'm deleting the config file and running the dpkg conf without those parameters
[15:07] <cemc> databits: postalias maybe?
[15:07] <lamont> drop the trailing dot.
[15:07] <soren> zul: That doesn't make installing it just for nova-api correct :)
[15:07] <databits> I'm not even telling it to put those
[15:09] <zul> soren: yeah i know im working on it :)
[15:10] <databits> awesome got it working
[15:10] <databits> now lets see if I can get this bad boy to really work
[15:13] <databits> is postfix both an smtp server an pop or just smtp ?
[15:16] <databits> how do I setup mail accounts ?
[15:22] <b0gatyr> greetings
[15:26] <JanC> databits: postfix is an SMTP server
[15:34] <databits> ok so I need a pop or imap server to receive mail from my php form's then correct ?
[15:34] <databits> smtp server is just for sending mail right ?
[15:36] <databits> I need to catch some zzz's maybe my brain will be working a lil better then.   I will talk with you guys in a few hour's.  Thanks for the help
[15:38] <zul> hggdh: yay it looks like the bnx2 bug is fixed
[15:39] <ZacLnxNewb> Hi
[15:40] <patdk-wk> heh
[15:40] <patdk-wk> smtp is for receiving email
[15:40] <patdk-wk> imap/pop are used to read email out of a mailbox
[15:40] <ZacLnxNewb> Does anyone know how to enable people to send texts to your server?
[15:41] <patdk-wk> but smtp is used for basically everything else, as it's normally the only thing allowed to go from server to server
[15:41] <ZacLnxNewb> send texts to, and recieve?
[15:41] <patdk-wk> ZacLnxNewb, by texts you mean sms?
[15:41] <ZacLnxNewb> patdk-wk: Yes, sir
[15:41] <patdk-wk> using real sms or email?
[15:42] <patdk-wk> the easy way to do sms, is to just connect a phone to the server
[15:42] <ZacLnxNewb> patdk-wk: preferably real sms
[15:42] <Steve[cug]> ok, I have a question about UEC.  mainly is there a way to manage it almost like vmware server and the like?
[15:42] <Steve[cug]> a web ui that will let you see the console and such
[15:42] <ZacLnxNewb> patdk-wk: however I am interested in setting up an email server too.
[15:42] <patdk-wk> the more proper way, and more expensive is to use a sms gateway provider
[15:43] <ZacLnxNewb> patdk-wk: Is there any way to do so without any extra expense?
[15:43] <patdk-wk> ya, connect a cellphone to your server :)
[15:43] <patdk-wk> that is really the cheapest option
[15:44] <ZacLnxNewb> alright, so scratch tht
[15:44] <ZacLnxNewb> I want to play around with email serving
[15:44] <ZacLnxNewb> what would you suggest?
[15:44] <patdk-wk> any email server :)
[16:04] <smoser> jiboumans, i dont know if i mentioned to you https://launchpad.net/~smoser/+archive/lucid-kernel-upgrades
[16:05] <smoser> i'm somewhat hoping that our next round of image updates will be launchable with pv-grub kernels (although probably not registered with them by default due to bug 682831)
[16:10] <ish_> hey guys, what do you guys use for power conservation on your servers?
[16:10] <patdk-wk> the off switch, or halt command
[16:11] <ish_> har har
[16:12] <ish_> is there a need to have a software that will lower power consumption when ur system is idle?
[16:13] <patdk-wk> not really
[16:13] <veovis_muaddib> ish_: I've been looking for the same thing, I've been given a few suggestions but they're not working for me
[16:13] <patdk-wk> most all of that is kernel toggles
[16:14] <veovis_muaddib> I'd like to be able to go into low power mode and wake up for ssh, smb, or vnc access, or cron jobs
[16:14] <ish_> lol same here
[16:14] <patdk-wk> how do you mean low power mode?
[16:14] <patdk-wk> in order to do that you have to wake up on every network packet
[16:14] <patdk-wk> and process that packet to see if it is for one of them
[16:14] <patdk-wk> and that means well, not sleeping
[16:15] <MrMintanet> I had a question, if that's ok?
[16:15] <patdk-wk> and unless you turned off speedstep or cpu scaling in your cpu, it already goes into low power mode
[16:15] <patdk-wk> use powertop :)
[16:15] <ish_> isnt powertop for laptops?
[16:15] <patdk-wk> what is different about laptops and servers?
[16:15] <patdk-wk> they are both computers
[16:15] <patdk-wk> they both normally have acpi
[16:16] <veovis_muaddib> MrMintanet: Of course it's okay, that's what this is here for
[16:16] <MrMintanet> Thanks
[16:16] <MrMintanet> Just wanted to be sure I wasn't going to get directed to Google or something
[16:16] <pmatulis> MrMintanet: it depends on your question
[16:16] <patdk-wk> that depends on the question :)
[16:16] <veovis_muaddib> MrMintanet: A lot of people still will
[16:16] <veovis_muaddib> MrMintanet: See?
[16:16] <MrMintanet> Well, I'm a Windows Admin
[16:17] <MrMintanet> And I've got a handle on Ubuntu now
[16:17] <pmatulis> MrMintanet: just ask the question
[16:18]  * patdk-wk waits for the paragraph
[16:18] <MrMintanet> I want to setup a server that will run non-intrusive virus scans over the network.
[16:18] <e1ven> Can anyone post an example of an upstart script which fires off multiple daemons? I need to fire up two different copies of a Database (mongodb) on separate ports- In an init script this is pretty straightforward, but with upstart it isn't really sure how to shut them down- stop: Unknown instance:"     I'm using start-stop-daemon to track the PIDs  (with --pidfile and --make-pidfile). Being able to look over someone else's
[16:18] <e1ven> upstart script that fires multiple daemons might help
[16:18] <MrMintanet> And I want it to send out email notifications of it's findings
[16:19] <MrMintanet> Can anyone make any suggestions as to how I should consider approaching this "challenge"?
[16:19] <patdk-wk> sounds like you want an idr with virus scanning
[16:19] <MrMintanet> idr?
[16:19] <patdk-wk> ids :)
[16:19] <JanC> scan what for virusses?  HTTP, shares, e-mail, ...?
[16:20] <JanC> or "everything", as patdk-wk suggests?  ☺
[16:20] <patdk-wk> it won't work for any ssl stuff
[16:20] <MrMintanet> everything,r eally
[16:20] <MrMintanet> really*
[16:20] <MrMintanet> I want it to be able to scan .pst files too
[16:20] <MrMintanet> For outlook email
[16:20] <patdk-wk> pst's don't go over the network
[16:20] <patdk-wk> unless your doing remote logins via smb
[16:21] <patdk-wk> and then you can't access the pst's if outlook is open
[16:21] <ish_> veovis_muaddib, i think i found it. its called wakeonlan
[16:21] <MrMintanet> Hmm
[16:21] <veovis_muaddib> ish_: That requires a specific packet to be sent before it will work, and for some reason it's not working at all for me
[16:21] <MrMintanet> Well, then if we disregard the .pst part, is this something that I can do with Ubuntu Server?
[16:22] <veovis_muaddib> ish_: But my friend who's helping me troubleshoot it has it working on his machine, and it's pretty cool
[16:22] <patdk-wk> making wakeonlan work requires bios and network card support, and sometimes also os support :)
[16:22] <MrMintanet> If so, where do you think I shoudl start my studdying?
[16:22] <MrMintanet> studying*  Sheesh, I can't spell today.
[16:22] <UndiFineD> but setting up a mail server around exchange is possible to scan mail
[16:22] <veovis_muaddib> patdk-wk: Yeah
[16:22] <patdk-wk> veovis_muaddib, what *computer* is it? model numbers help :)
[16:23] <ish_> veovis_muaddib, oh jeez. that sucks about sending the packet
[16:23] <veovis_muaddib> patdk-wk: Custom machine, let me find the motherboad serial in my search history
[16:23] <patdk-wk> veovis_muaddib, lshw :)
[16:23] <veovis_muaddib> *model number, not serial
[16:23] <veovis_muaddib> not sshed in, it's off
[16:23] <patdk-wk> ish, depends, if it's your only machine, ya, not much fun
[16:24] <patdk-wk> but if you have a router, you can program the router to watch for stuff attempting to use it on the network, and send the wakeonlan for you
[16:24] <veovis_muaddib> Wouldn't that need something like OpenWRT?
[16:24] <patdk-wk> veovis_muaddib, basically, yep
[16:24] <patdk-wk> or any other computer, to do the watching
[16:25] <patdk-wk> do not great for a single server usage deal
[16:25] <patdk-wk> so
[16:25] <ish_> patdk-wk, i have about 20-30 machines. They are rarely used at night.
[16:25] <patdk-wk> ish, workstations?
[16:25] <ish_> servers
[16:25] <MrMintanet> What is an "IDR"?
[16:26] <patdk-wk> MrMintanet, I meant ids, intrusion detection system
[16:26] <MrMintanet> I have a sonicwall
[16:26] <MrMintanet> But my users also use mobile broadband cards
[16:26] <MrMintanet> Which completely bypass the IDS
[16:26] <patdk-wk> well, that won't work then
[16:26] <patdk-wk> the only thing you can is scan their drives
[16:27] <patdk-wk> personally, just using software on their machines would be best
[16:27] <patdk-wk> second best option I would do is a centeral backup server, then just scan the backups
[16:27] <MrMintanet> Ok, then is there an Open Source version of Symantec EndPoint?
[16:27] <MrMintanet> I use Acronis for that.
[16:28] <patdk-wk> see if there is an acronis backup mounter, that would be ideal :)
[16:28] <veovis_muaddib> patdk-wk: I'm on an ASRock n68pv-gs, and using the onboard NIC.  It was meant to be a friend's desktop, but needs changed and it became a server.
[16:29] <MrMintanet> If you install GUI on Ubuntu Server, are you pretty much a complete idiot?
[16:29] <patdk-wk> depends on your needs
[16:29] <ZacLnxNewb> Hi,  I'm connecting to my server with filezilla through SFTP, however I don't seem to have permission to view files ?
[16:29] <veovis_muaddib> MrMintanet: There are ways to do it, and reasons to do it... It depends on what you need
[16:29] <MrMintanet> Im' really struggling with CLI
[16:30] <patdk-wk> veovis_muaddib, it says it supports wakeonlan
[16:30] <MrMintanet> I feel that I need to get my head around it, but don't know where to begin
[16:30] <patdk-wk> so you probably have wrong bios settings
[16:30] <veovis_muaddib> MrMintanet: If you're going to install a GUI, I recommend Openbox or awesome.  Openbox is a floating wm like Windows and OS X, and awesome is a tiling wm that you'd have to see in action and play with first
[16:30] <patdk-wk> MrMintanet, your still thinking like a windows admin :)
[16:30] <patdk-wk> in windows they sell *solutions*
[16:30] <MrMintanet> I know
[16:30] <veovis_muaddib> patdk-wk: I have boot on lan enabled, that's all I've found in the BIOS
[16:30] <patdk-wk> generally in opensource and stuff
[16:30] <MrMintanet> I am trying to break free of those chains
[16:30] <patdk-wk> you have to build it, by layers
[16:31] <MrMintanet> I am interviewing for a job in a 100% open source shop
[16:31] <patdk-wk> so you have to think of what is required to get the result you want
[16:31] <ZacLnxNewb> MrMintanet: Linux is indeed scary because you can't entirely visually see all the pretty colors...
[16:31] <ZacLnxNewb> MrMintanet:  But linux is still very beautiful in it's use. ;)
[16:31] <MrMintanet> I agree
[16:31] <MrMintanet> The most difficult time I have is with CLI
[16:32] <ZacLnxNewb> I don't seem to have permissions with my SFTP to view all my files on my server
[16:32] <MrMintanet> Any suggestions on where to speed learn CLI, by chance?
[16:32] <MrMintanet> Maybe a little song that will help me remember things?
[16:32] <MrMintanet> lol
[16:32] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: Diving into Arch Linux is either terrifying or amazing fun.  Diving into Ubuntu Server, is pretty different, but not scary
[16:32] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: Well, true
[16:32] <veovis_muaddib> MrMintanet: On a personal machine, get Arch Linux running
[16:33] <MrMintanet> Arch Linux?
[16:33] <veovis_muaddib> It's a build your own system distro
[16:33] <veovis_muaddib> LFS takes more time, but it teaches you more as well
[16:33] <veovis_muaddib> either one is great for learning
[16:34] <ZacLnxNewb> so, could someone perhaps help me?
[16:34] <MrMintanet> Forgive my ignorance, but isn't that what Ubuntu Server is?
[16:34] <patdk-wk> veovis_muaddib, so far looks like probably, pci devices power on, needs to be on probably
[16:35] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: I'm not good at configuring ftp.  I always leave it very insecure because it's a pain
[16:35] <veovis_muaddib> sorry
[16:35] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: ACtually
[16:35] <patdk-wk> veovis_muaddib, I don't see anything else in there, but if there is any type of, low power mode, make sure it's off
[16:36] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib:  SFTP is basically already set up server side
[16:36] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: I seriously didn't have to configure ANYTHING to connect with SFTP
[16:36] <veovis_muaddib> MrMintanet: Ubuntu server is quite configured.  Like RedHat/CentOS, it does a lot for you.  Arch Linux and LFS throw you in and make you configure everything yourself
[16:36] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: I can tell you how I did it if you'd like to see
[16:36] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: Trust me, very VERY easy
[16:36] <MrMintanet> It sounds painful
[16:37] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: It was incredibly painful in windows
[16:37] <patdk-wk> painful is good, it causes you to learn
[16:37] <MrMintanet> True
[16:37] <veovis_muaddib> patdk-wk: I've played with some of the settings in power, and I'm pretty sure everything is off like that....
[16:37] <patdk-wk> the bad is, you make lots of security mistakes :)
[16:37] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: so I avoided it because I thought it was hard
[16:37] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: but it's actually very simple on linux
[16:37] <veovis_muaddib> MrMintanet: If you think it sounds painful, then it's not for you.  I think it sounds awesome, so I love it
[16:37] <MrMintanet> What is a quick and easy virt. app I can use on Ubuntu-Desktop?
[16:38] <veovis_muaddib> MrMintanet: Virtualization?
[16:38] <MrMintanet> Yea
[16:38] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: Just a recommendation on which server you used would be nice
[16:38] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: You don't need a server. :D
[16:38] <veovis_muaddib> Virtualbox was developed by Sun before they were eaten, it's a pretty good one MrMintanet
[16:38] <MrMintanet> Thx
[16:39] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: I mean which ftp daemon...
[16:39] <MrMintanet> Ok, here's a question
[16:39] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib:  SSH on the server acts as the SFTP serveR
[16:39] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: Oh
[16:39] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: You don't have to install ANYthing
[16:39] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: Seriously, it's already there. :D
[16:39] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: Okay, I'll have to play with that, I forgot about that
[16:39] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: Just install filezilla client on your windows pc
[16:39] <MrMintanet> If I'm using CLI on a server, and have no idea what the correct command is to install an app, how would I go about finding out if all I had was CLI?
[16:39] <veovis_muaddib> I barely use ssh for tunneling, let alone sftp
[16:39] <patdk-wk> sftp is part of ssh
[16:39] <patdk-wk> ftps is ftp over ssl
[16:40] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: Goto "file" -> "Site manager"  and choose SFTP, and enter your login info that you use to access the server from putty, and VOILA!! Connected with SFTP !
[16:40] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: Don't have Windows atm, kind of annoying when I want to play games.  I'm stuck with TF2 and L4D2 on Mac, and that's about it
[16:40] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: Trust me though, I'm SO HAPPY,
[16:40] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: because I gave up on configuring it on windows
[16:40] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: No doubt.
[16:40] <ZacLnxNewb> and on linux
[16:41] <ZacLnxNewb> It's SOO EASY. :D
[16:41] <ZacLnxNewb> I like, broke out in happy tears!
[16:41] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: lol
[16:41] <ZacLnxNewb> it's so elegant!
[16:41] <MrMintanet> If I'm using CLI on a server, and have no idea what the correct command is to install an app, how would I go about finding out if all I had was CLI?
[16:41] <UndiFineD> man
[16:41] <UndiFineD> man <command>
[16:41] <ish_> veovis_muaddib, have you been able to play starcraft 2 on ubuntu?
[16:41] <veovis_muaddib> I have a question on the topic of filesharing:  I run OS X, Linux, Windows, and an Xbox on my home network.  I run XBMC on each of these, and I stream videos through SMB on my server.  Is there a better way?
[16:42] <ish_> veovis_muaddib, damn wine wont work for me on it for some reason
[16:42] <patdk-wk> veovis_muaddib, nfs?
[16:42] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: stream videos via Samba?
[16:42] <ish_> veovis_muaddib, try ushare
[16:43] <veovis_muaddib> ish_: I gave up on configuring WINE myself, and only use other people's wrappers now.  Plus, on the OS X side, I have SC II, so I haven't tried in Linux
[16:43] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: Yeah, it's as unpleasant as it sounds
[16:43] <veovis_muaddib> patdk-wk: ish_: I'll look those up, thanks
[16:43] <patdk-wk> well, windows isn't really going do nfs
[16:44] <cole> veo: playing SC II right now with wine...works perfectly
[16:44] <patdk-wk> but I stream videos over smb all the time
[16:44] <ish_> CIFS/SMB for windows
[16:44] <patdk-wk> but normally use nfs, cause it's mythbuntu to mythbuntu
[16:44] <veovis_muaddib> patdk-wk: Probably will have to keep the SMB open for the xbox anyway, so I can use it in Windows
[16:44] <patdk-wk> what about just supporting dlna?
[16:45] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib:  patdk-wk    So what should I use for my PS3 and Xbox360 for video streaming?
[16:45] <ish_> cole, did it work the first time for you? I try installing it from my cd and it says error
[16:45] <veovis_muaddib> patdk-wk: But with 720p, smb feels like RealPlayer
[16:45] <patdk-wk> must be your smb  or server :)
[16:45] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: Different software for each :P
[16:45] <ish_> veovis_muaddib, ushare works awesomely
[16:45] <cole> ish_: log into battle.net and use the installer that you download
[16:46] <ish_> cole, oh darn i should have thought of that. I will give it a go tonight
[16:46] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: what would you suggest for each?
[16:46] <cole> ish_: wine caused a kernel panic twice during the download but the install wass flawless
[16:46] <ish_> cole, lol
[16:46] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: I think I have a bookmark for 360, I don't have a PS3, I can hear Ratchet calling for me, but haven't had the cash to pick one up
[16:48] <veovis_muaddib> ZacLnxNewb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=794489 Is in my todo folder.  I can't vouch for it working, I haven't even read the whole thread
[16:51] <veovis_muaddib> Okay, it's 9:48 am here and I stayed up all night...  I'm going to go watch "Terminator: The Summer Glau is Hot Chronicles" to keep myself up and get on a better schedule.  I don't process the neurotransmitter that makes you feel tired properly...
[16:51] <veovis_muaddib> Adios
[16:51] <ZacLnxNewb> veovis_muaddib: take care
[16:55] <MrMintanet> Installing NBR on Virtualbox while I wait for download
[16:55] <MrMintanet> Incredibly simple
[16:55] <MrMintanet> Thanks for the suggestion
[16:55] <UndiFineD> MrMintanet, I am glad you like it
[16:56] <MrMintanet> I've used VMWare Workstation, and it was very easy, but I really do find Virtualbox to be much easier to use.
[17:03] <patdk-wk> can someone point me to the right channel or howto: I want to build my package for hardy and lucid, 32bit and 64bit, and what the best method is, or is using 4 vm's the best?
[17:05] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: I use sbuild
[17:06] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: basically, install mk-sbuild, and run 'mk-sbuild --arch=i386 hardy' and that will create a hardy-i386 schroot which you can use for compiling source packages with 'sbuild -A -d hardy-i386 file.dsc'
[17:06] <patdk-wk> file.dsc? I normally do a dpkg-build... currently
[17:06] <patdk-wk> and it makes that stuff
[17:07] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: debuild source in the source dir will create the .dsc
[17:07] <SpamapS> err
[17:07] <SpamapS> debuild -S
[17:08]  * patdk-wk goes to create a vm to try it on :)
[17:08] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: you don't really need a vm for this ;)
[17:08] <patdk-wk> well, I figure having a build vm, with all the sources of crap I want, will keep things cleaner
[17:08] <patdk-wk> and I can move that vm around whereever I want to
[17:08] <patdk-wk> like, a reinstall of my system, or server, won't affect it :)
[17:22] <MrMintanet> Ok, just installed Ubuntu on Virtualbox, and it's being dumb
[17:22] <MrMintanet> :)
[17:22] <Psi-Jack> hey.. I'm trying to gather a list of lsb-init init.d scripts that call "status_of_proc -p", other than bind9, dovecot, openbsd-inetd, rsync, spamassassin, and ssh, and would like to request if people could do this and pastebin any results they get: grep "status_of_proc -p" /etc/init.d/* | grep -v -E 'bind9|dovecot|openbsd-inetd|rsync|spamassassin|ssh'
[17:22] <MrMintanet> "No required driver detected for unity."
[17:23] <MrMintanet> I only get that problem when loading NBR
[17:28] <timo> Psi-Jack: openvpn
[17:28] <Psi-Jack> Ahh, one I hadn't seen, thanks will check it out.
[17:28] <timo> Psi-Jack: do you need the paste?
[17:29] <Psi-Jack> If just that one, nah. ;)
[17:29] <timo> Psi-Jack: just that one on my box
[17:29] <Psi-Jack> Making a bug report and adding what it effects when fixed.
[17:29] <Psi-Jack> And yep. Definitely effected.
[17:31] <Psi-Jack> basically there's a major flaw in lsb-init's init-functions that causes pid-file determination to completely fail everything if said service is /not/ started, no matter what, which is completely wrong.
[17:32] <ish_> whats a good channel for hacking
[17:32] <Psi-Jack> ish_: ##php, #python, #java, #c, #ruby, etc.
[17:32] <Psi-Jack> Oh, excuse me, not #c, but ##c
[17:32] <ish_> i meant white-hat hacking
[17:32] <Psi-Jack> ish_: Hacking == Programming
[17:33] <ish_> eh most of the world uses that word for network breaching
[17:33] <Psi-Jack> Wrong.
[17:34] <Psi-Jack> That's exploitation, security penetration, defacing, phracking, etc.
[17:34] <Pici> ish_: ##security
[17:34] <ish_> Pici, tried it says invite only
[17:34] <Pici> ish_: register/identify then
[17:34] <ish_> Pici, hmm so no need to get an invite then?
[17:34] <Pici> ish_: correct.
[17:35] <ish_> Pici, sry for silly question. Where do i go to register?
[17:35] <Pici> !register | ish_
[17:39] <MrMintanet> Do I install Virtualbox-Extras on the host or client computer?
[17:39] <b0gatyr> MrMintanet: client computer.
[17:41] <b0gatyr> better yet "guest" machine
[17:41] <ish10> sweet im in now
[17:42] <ish10> how do u guys hide join msgs by default in xchat every time you start
[17:44] <Psi-Jack> ish10: #xchat
[17:50] <RoyK> seems zfs is getting into debian http://robertmh.wordpress.com/2010/11/27/about-zfs-in-squeeze-2/
[17:50] <air^> RoyK: :O
[17:53] <air^> RoyK: so, this will be zfs + linux kernel? wasn't there some license issues related to that?
[17:53] <RoyK> there is - zfs is licensed under a BSD-like license
[17:56] <air^> RoyK: but it's allowed to still link it directly from the installer?
[17:56] <air^> or is this now a gray zone.
[17:56] <RoyK> seems it's with kFreeBSD
[17:56] <RoyK> so no linux there
[17:56] <air^> ah, fsck.
[17:56] <air^> we'll just wait for btrfs then :P
[17:57] <RoyK> I have stopped waiting for btrfs
[17:57] <RoyK> setting up 250TB on OpenIndiana these days
[17:57] <air^> :)
[17:58] <air^> with ZFS? or ext4?
[17:58] <RoyK> zfs
[17:58] <air^> so, bsd ?
[17:58] <RoyK> openindiana
[17:58] <air^> *googling*
[17:59] <air^> "Licensing: coming soon..." ?
[18:00] <RoyK> air^: licensing will be BSD-like
[18:00] <RoyK> air^: /j #opensolaris
[18:00] <RoyK> erm
[18:00] <RoyK> air^: /j #openindiana
[18:38] <pmatulis> anyone here have much success in using 'apt-cdrom add' on a loopback mounted ISO?  it seems completely broken on 10.04
[18:44] <Slyboots> Mm.. well now that I have ubuntu sort of going and the LVM in place..
[18:44] <Slyboots> Got to think about power-managment.. spinning down drives and whatnot when tis not in use
[18:44] <Slyboots> (But in a way that wont murder the RAID)
[19:00] <patdk-wk> SpamapS, ok, I have sbuild installed and kindof working
[19:01] <patdk-wk> but it keeps bitching about known filesystem aufs
[19:02] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: paste.ubuntu.com maybe?
[19:03] <SpamapS> Slyboots: drives use a really, really tiny amount of power when compared to CPU's ;)
[19:04] <patdk-wk> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/538762/
[19:08] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: are you running a custom kernel?
[19:08] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: grep aufs /proc/filesystems
[19:08] <patdk-wk> linux-virtual
[19:08] <patdk-wk> not in there
[19:08] <zul> smoser: is the stuff in lp:cloud-init current?
[19:08] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: ahh! maybe its not enabled in virtual kernels
[19:09] <patdk-wk> guess I'll uninstall the vm kernel :(
[19:10] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: or use lvm
[19:10] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: or btrfs
[19:10] <smoser> zul, yes, i think so
[19:10] <patdk-wk> ya, I was thinking I should probably do lvm, but that was after the fact I found out about it :)
[19:15] <patdk-wk> heh, kernel change fixed :(
[19:15] <patdk-wk> now some odd build errors with apt
[19:23] <patdk-wk> heh, it helped to install ia32-libs :)
[19:25] <Slyboots> Mm..
[19:25] <Slyboots> What sort of measures do you have to take to get power managment working in Ubuntu server?
[19:26] <Slyboots> Im thinking primarlly of speed-stepping and perhaps having the HD's sleep when not in use? (But in a way that wont damage the RAID array)
[19:26] <patdk-wk> none?
[19:26] <Slyboots> ?
[19:27] <Slyboots> Do I not need to.. like install something or?
[19:28] <patdk-wk> nope
[19:28] <patdk-wk> if you want to adjust the harddrive sleep, use hdparm to do so
[19:28] <patdk-wk> but really, harddrives generally don't sleep
[19:28] <patdk-wk> too much log writting and stuff going on
[19:29] <syn-ack> That's why those WD green drive die so quickly. :/
[19:29] <patdk-wk> even on my laptop, the best I can do, to maximize power usage, and cut from 18watts to 15watts
[19:29] <patdk-wk> if you do that on a server, your talking about well, a few percent if that
[19:29] <Slyboots> Mm
[19:30] <patdk-wk> I get more powersavings from dumping the drive completely and using ssd, than sleep mode on a rotating disk
[19:30] <patdk-wk> and really the biggest power draw is a monitor :)
[19:30] <patdk-wk> after cpu and video cards :)
[19:30] <Slyboots> Well its a file-server :P
[19:31] <patdk-wk> go about underclocking your cpu and video card :)
[19:31] <Slyboots> Dont have a videocard
[19:31] <patdk-wk> unless you have >10 drives, it's not really worth powering down the harddrives
[19:31] <patdk-wk> and even then, I wouldn't
[19:31] <Slyboots> well what about speed-stepping
[19:31] <patdk-wk> enable it in your bios
[19:31] <patdk-wk> if your cpu supports it
[19:35] <SpamapS> Slyboots: the speed step stuff I think you just need to install pm-utils
[19:35] <SpamapS> kirkland: ping ^^ Slyboots wants to reduce power usage on his server.
[19:36] <patdk-wk> ah, pm-utils is installed on all my systems
[19:36] <patdk-wk> so I never noticed
[19:46] <patdk-wk> hmm, everything works except hardy i386
[19:46] <patdk-wk> gpgv won't run
[20:04] <T3CHKOMMIE> hey guys, im a little confused as to why i have 3 virtual hosts on one server working and resolving correctly, i added a 4th virtual host pointed to a new document root but that new subdomain cannot resolve to the new virtual hosts docuemt root. any ideas do i need to refresh /flush something?
[20:14] <SpamapS> jcastro: dude.. http://askubuntu.com/tags/ubuntu-server/faq     *nice*
[20:14] <SpamapS> T3CHKOMMIE: you should only need to reload the apache service (service apache2 reload)
[20:15] <T3CHKOMMIE> ya, it looks like the DNS didnt refresh as fast as i had like.
[20:15] <T3CHKOMMIE> i gave it about 10 min and its working just fine now.
[20:15] <T3CHKOMMIE> thanks for the help1
[20:16] <SpamapS> jcastro: btw.. I am evil today  http://askubuntu.com/users/813/spamaps
[20:17] <SpamapS> reputation: 666 ;)
[20:19] <zul> SpamapS: looks like debian already has 5.1.53 packaged soon
[20:21] <jcastro> SpamapS: heh, awesome
[20:23] <SpamapS> zul: in unstable?
[20:23] <zul> looks like it
[20:25] <jcastro> SpamapS: you're my hero of the day, I've never even heard of debi before
[20:26] <jcastro> SpamapS: yeah that FAQ generator is awesome, feel free to link it from a team page or something
[20:27] <SpamapS> jcastro: debi is awesome if you're building packages. :)
[20:32] <pting> what parameters do i add in my fstab for sshfs to perform a sudo -i upon connecting?
[20:35] <remix_tj> pting: what? sudo -i while connecting?
[20:35] <remix_tj> what command do you use by hand?
[20:35] <pting> remix_tj, i want to switch to root upon connecting with a different user for the mount
[20:36] <remix_tj> there's no way to do it
[20:36] <pting> remix_tj, i see, i'll just connect as root then, thanks
[20:36] <remix_tj> only connecting as root can allow you to operate like root
[20:38] <zul> SpamapS: experimental
[20:42] <SpamapS> zul: well thats something. :)
[20:42] <SpamapS> zul: I'll hold off on the merge then
[20:44] <patdk-wk> spamaps, I found it to be useless :)
[20:45] <patdk-wk> as I was going upload it to a ppa and didn't know it compiled them :)
[20:46] <patdk-wk> but it does take me to another question, I have the source I want compiled to be available for hardy and lucid, but I can't see a way to upload to a ppa for both, and if I attempt to upload twice one for each, it complains
[20:46] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: oh hahaha
[20:47] <patdk-wk> but atleast that did solve my, compile it if I want to :)
[20:47] <SpamapS>  /win 27
[20:47] <SpamapS> doh
[20:49] <soren> SpamapS: Yeah, nothing interesting in /win 27.
[20:50] <SpamapS> soren: all the good stuff is in /win 3
[20:55] <soren> SpamapS: /win 3 is ok. /win 61 is where all the cool kids are, though.
[20:56] <Pici>  /win 3 is actually this channel on my client.
[20:56] <SpamapS> Pici: ^5 for /win 3
[20:59] <RoAkSoAx> lol /win 3 is also this channel for me
[21:16] <hallyn_> ScottK: on bug 673654, i'm not clear on next step - do we ask kees to take a look, or were you just going to apply the patches, or someone else?
[21:20] <nertil> nertil@Maverick:~/psybnc$ uptime
[21:20] <nertil> -bash: /usr/bin/uptime: Input/output error
[21:20] <nertil> sudo: unable to execute /sbin/reboot: Input/output error
[21:20] <nertil> weird
[21:21] <nertil> cant doo any commands
[21:22] <nertil> anyone?
[21:22] <hallyn_> ttx: hey, i'm looking at bugs 681598 and 570944 - was anything ever decided about what to do about pam_winbind and use_authtok?
[21:22] <hallyn_> (I'd ask slangosek but don't see him on)
[21:22] <hallyn_> nertil: i think you have disk errors
[21:23] <nertil> hard disk?
[21:23] <hallyn_> y
[21:23] <nertil> hum
[21:23] <soren> nertil: dmesg might give a few hints.
[21:24] <hallyn_> where do /usr/bin and /sbin sit?  on local disk?  or is this nfs?
[21:24] <nertil> local
[21:36] <hallyn_> nertil: so as soren suggested, does dmesg give you any hints?  What about output of df and mount?
[21:47] <ScottK> hallyn_: I've already talked to the security team about it.
[21:48] <soren> Ryan_Lane|food: It depends on your packaging, really.
[21:48] <Ryan_Lane|food> soren: yeah, would be good to get opendj packaged. I'm sure forgerock would be appreciative
[21:49] <soren> Ryan_Lane: How are you building the packages now?
[21:49] <Ryan_Lane> pbuilder
[21:49] <soren> Ok, good.
[21:49] <soren> Ryan_Lane: Do you have the source packages published anywhere?
[21:49] <Ryan_Lane> yeah. in wikimedia's repository
[21:50] <Ryan_Lane> which is: deb-src http://apt.wikimedia.org/wikimedia hardy-wikimedia main universe
[21:50] <hallyn_> ScottK: ok, and they're taking it and runnig with it?
[21:50] <ScottK> hallyn_: I believe so.
[21:50] <hallyn_> ok, thx.
[21:51] <Ryan_Lane> I should make a small change before getting it added
[21:51] <soren> Ryan_Lane: It's a native package?
[21:52] <Ryan_Lane> what do you mean by native?
[21:52] <soren> It only has a single tarball in it, with both upstream code and the packaging stuff.
[21:53] <Ryan_Lane> oh. yes.
[21:53]  * soren shrieks as he realises this is Java stuff
[21:54] <Ryan_Lane> :D
[21:54] <soren> Ok, your major obstable is going to be not using the jars shipped in the tarball, but rather the ones in the Ubuntu repository.
[21:55] <Ryan_Lane> which jars?
[21:55] <Ryan_Lane> ah. in lib?
[21:56] <soren> Ryan_Lane: In ext/, lib/ and resource/
[21:56] <soren> Ryan_Lane: There's 51 of them.
[21:56] <soren> Sorry, 59.
[21:57] <Ryan_Lane> I don't see that many on install
[21:57] <soren> Ryan_Lane: Great!
[21:57] <Ryan_Lane> there's like 14
[21:57] <soren> Ryan_Lane: That makes your job way easier.
[21:57] <Ryan_Lane> and most of them are specific to opendj
[21:58] <soren> Ryan_Lane: If they're built form the source package, that's fine.
[21:58] <Ryan_Lane> activation, mail, and je are likely the only non-opendj ones
[21:58] <soren> Ryan_Lane: Step 1 is to enumerate the ones it needs at runtime that aren't built, but just bundled.
[21:58] <soren> Ryan_Lane: ...and find out if they're packaged in Ubuntu.
[21:59] <soren> Ryan_Lane: Does that distinction make sense to you?
[21:59] <Ryan_Lane> yeah, shared libs should come from other packages
[21:59] <soren> Precisely.
[22:00] <Ryan_Lane> my concern is how this will affect upgrades
[22:00] <Ryan_Lane> I also don't know how upgrades should be handled
[22:01] <Ryan_Lane> there isn't anyone to backport fixes for this
[22:02] <Ryan_Lane> soren: I was going to simply keep the package up to date with the upstream stable releases
[22:06] <soren> Ryan_Lane: Yeah. Maybe getting it in shape for Ubuntu proper isn't worth the effort.
[22:07] <Ryan_Lane> it doesn't matter much for me, as I'm maintaining it anyway :)
[22:07] <Ryan_Lane> but it's a much better server than openldap, and others could benefit
[22:09] <Mip5_> Hi - ubuntu 10.04.1, ltsp, raid1. After updates yesterday (that got interrupted), I restarted, ran dpkg --configure -a, and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. It appeared to work okay, got an ncurses notice about grub, and installed it to all 3 disks in teh array, but now I get dropped into the initramfs shell
[22:11] <Mip5_> The error I get is that disk-by-uuid/ xxx can't be found . I have been able to boot into an older kernel, and am in that way now. I'm not sure how to fix this. Folks from ubuntu-ltsp recommended I try here. Here's a link to postbin with info on blkid, /etc/fstab, and grub.cfg:
[22:11] <Mip5_> http://ltsp.pastebin.com/nmEfrmBZ
[22:12] <smoser> kirkland, zul ping
[22:12] <smoser> either of you know what i should do if i found a bug in a package i have in -proposed at the moment ?
[22:16] <RoAkSoAx> smoser: I believe if it has not yet been released as an update, you can just prevent that from happening or ask someone to decline the package
[22:18] <ScottK> hallyn_: I put the diff for the clamav security fix in the bug.  If you were to make debdiffs for each release, that would certainly speed the security team's work.
[22:18] <smoser> ScottK, ^ you probably know for sure above
[22:19] <smoser> I'm asking specifically about bug 671103, and the missed fix described in bug 683890
[22:19] <ScottK> smoser: Is it a new bug to the proposed package or does it exist in the released package too?
[22:20] <ScottK> If it's just in proposed, comment in the bug and tag it "verification-failed".
[22:20] <smoser> well, its not really a regression.
[22:20] <smoser> part of the fix just wont run
[22:20] <smoser> which would then, not really fix the problem
[22:21] <ScottK> That still qualifies as verification failed.
[22:21] <smoser> so i tagged verification failed
[22:21] <jdstrand> hallyn_: it absolutely would speed up the process. please follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures#Preparing%20an%20update
[22:21] <ScottK> We don't want to give people updates that don't fix the problem.
[22:21] <smoser> and in the other, regression-proposed
[22:21] <jdstrand> hallyn_: it would also help with core-dev cred
[22:22] <smoser> so what happens from here ? someone drops the -proposed package, and i can upload a new one ?
[22:23] <smoser> ok. i have to run, please, if anyone here can help push those along, or tell me what i need to do to do so, i would really appreciate it. i'll check back in later.
[22:55] <hallyn_> ScottK: jdstrand: np, i'll do that tonight or tomorrow.  thanks
[22:56] <jdstrand> sbeattie: fyi ^
[22:56] <jdstrand> hallyn_: thanks!
[23:24] <tomsdale> I just updated my ubuntu 10.04 server with lvm partitions and grub cannot remember where it previously was installed. It asks me to  choose between sda and sda1 (ext2 not lvm)
[23:25] <tomsdale> is it ok to install on sda or can this lead to problems because of lvm?
[23:25] <Patrickdk> is it the only os on that computer?
[23:26] <tomsdale> yers
[23:26] <Patrickdk> I would go with sda :)
[23:26] <Patrickdk> or, I always go with sda :)
[23:27] <tomsdale> Me too - but I'm confused because it should have been on there already - so why does it forget. it's a remote vm - so lets hope it comes up :-)
[23:27] <Patrickdk> depend on how long ago it was you updated it
[23:28] <Patrickdk> there was a change a few months back
[23:28] <tomsdale> install is 3 month old.
[23:28] <Patrickdk> that made a file in grub so it knew where it should go, before that it did a good guess
[23:28] <Patrickdk> so you might of not had it
[23:28] <Patrickdk> and when you update it, it gets that, notices it doesn't know, and asks you to basically confirm what it thinks
[23:29] <tomsdale> ok, makes sense - let's see whether it comes up :-)
[23:32] <tomsdale> Patrickdk: it came up fine - thx a lot
[23:36] <quizme> hey
[23:37] <quizme> i normally use Ubuntu at home and for my personal web server, but at work they're running fedora.  So, I'm thinking for my work computer to be on Fedora.  Do you think that's a good idea?  (They said most programmers use Mac though...)