[01:18] anyone ever used ddrescue? i never have before, and it's been running for a few days now... the 'image' file is still 0b. [01:18] it appears to be doing something however... it just doesn't seem like anything fruitful. [01:22] arrrghhh: whats it supposed to do? [01:28] Not sure what I've misconfigured hrere but.. [01:28] SpamapS, rebuild a complete disk image i would assume? [01:28] Setup dnsmasq and dhcp3 server on my network.. working fine [01:28] But if I ping a local machine.. it seems to be routing it via the *external* interface [01:28] so if I poing the fileserver.. its pining my external ip instead of the internal [01:29] arrrghhh: rebuild from what? [01:29] I have a 10.4 box I did an upgrade on, and now I have a few packages which seem to be in limbo [01:29] Slyboots: ping it from where? [01:29] ... wait somethings really fucked up here [01:29] I've tried clearing the cache, dpkg removing and then apt-get -f installing [01:30] if I ping *anywhere* like DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199 [01:30] DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.1.199 [01:30] woops [01:30] The_Tick: define "in limbo" ? [01:30] 67.215.65.132 [01:30] C:\Users\Shinything>ping orange [01:30] Pinging orange.slyboots.lan [67.215.65.132] with 32 bytes of data: [01:30] Reply from 67.215.65.132: bytes=32 time=39ms TTL=53 [01:30] I dont have a machine called orange [01:30] Slyboots: please do NOT paste [01:30] Slyboots: http://paste.ubuntu.com [01:30] Sorry; my bad [01:30] SpamapS, dead hard drive? isn't that what ddresuce is for?!? [01:30] SpamapS: sec I'll get you a paste :) [01:30] arrrghhh: ok so its rebuilding from a hard drive that has lots of errors? [01:30] SpamapS, can't mount the disk. [01:31] Pining real hosts like google.com work; but anything thats not a fully formed domain pings that IP address [01:31] Slyboots: right, so dnsmasq is mapping everything to your external IP [01:31] it's pretty hosed. ddrescue seemed to be a last resort attempt. i can't exactly go down to the platters... [01:31] Im not even sure who 67.215.65.132 is.. [01:31] Thats *not* my ip address [01:31] SpamapS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/538513/ [01:31] arrrghhh: right, so ddrescue is going to go through and repeat reads over and over, taking the most commonly returned bytes. But if the disk isn't working, it might not even be able to get anything. [01:32] SpamapS, that seems to be the case, but how can i tell? it looks like it's doing something productive, but the output file is 0b. [01:32] does fdisk -l even work? [01:32] no [01:32] Anyone idea what the heck I've done o.O [01:33] arrrghhh: any way you can get it fsck'd? [01:33] or is that out of style since 2002? [01:33] lol [01:33] i have no clue if i can fsck it [01:33] SpamapS: it's been a while since I used an apt based system, but I'm pretty sure I'm just doing something wrong here [01:33] arrrghhh: is it a box next to you, or remote? [01:34] The_Tick, it's in the other room :P my box, a buddy's hdd. obviously not the boot disk here. [01:34] Slyboots: are you sure dnsmasq is answering queries for slyboots.lan authoritatively? [01:34] oh that's good [01:34] Okay' its only machines that arnt fully formed domains.. [01:34] arrrghhh: so back in 02 we'd just reboot in the dc and fsck the disks [01:34] to see if there were file system errors [01:34] ping google routes to that IP address [01:35] ping google. doesnt [01:35] well i'm pretty sure it was an ntfs drive [01:35] and .com pings.. well google [01:35] do you care about the data on it? [01:35] The_Tick, yes... trying to recover data is the only goal at this point. [01:35] Slyboots: that means your DNS search path isn't working right tho [01:35] recovering the hard disk itself would be nice, but i think that ship has sailed. [01:35] would that be dnsmasq or dhcpd? [01:36] arrrghhh: spindle based disk right? [01:36] Slyboots, sounds like that winpoop client you're using :P [01:36] The_Tick, yes... what other kind is there, ssd? [01:36] yea [01:36] ah [01:36] yea... definitely spindle based :P [01:36] does it click? :P [01:36] well that's the odd thing... kind of is my best answer. [01:36] ok [01:36] turn it off [01:36] put it in a ziplock [01:37] been there. [01:37] put it in the freezer for 30 minutes [01:37] bah [01:37] :P [01:37] this isn't my first rodeo. [01:37] how to go to usb key in ubuntu-server [01:37] ya, figured [01:37] it doesn't click like normal tho. [01:37] by normal i mean almost constant. [01:37] euphoria1: check if it's mounted with df -h -T [01:37] honestly, haven't you guys learned to use "the cloud" yet for your data? ;) [01:37] if it is, just cd to the thing under "Mounted on" on the right [01:37] it clicks once when it spools down. like it'll spin up, i'll try to access it... CLICK, then the disk spins down, waits a sec and spins back up. [01:37] nope [01:38] isnt mountet [01:38] euphoria1: then you need to figure out how to mount it :) [01:38] how to mount [01:38] SpamapS, not mah data :P [01:38] euphoria1: I don't know [01:38] i told this dude to backup his pics... didn't listen to me. [01:38] * Slyboots hrms [01:38] arrrghhh: this is going to sound odd [01:38] If my laptop dies today, I'll slap a new HDD in it, install maverick again, and U1+IMAP+Launchpad+Google will have all my data [01:38] k [01:38] arrrghhh: go to #windows05 on dalnet [01:38] how to mount usb key [01:38] ask in there [01:38] they sometimes have good ideas [01:38] lol really? [01:38] ya [01:39] they don't just use windows [01:39] man. i've thrown all my guns at it. even hiren's boot cd. [01:39] but just talk about how the disk is screwed [01:39] not about how it's on linux [01:39] never had to use something like ddrescue. [01:39] hrm ok. [01:39] have a mac? [01:39] So. rather confused what the solution might be [01:39] I had one disk that just wouldn't go [01:39] i don't really care how i fix it, i just want to fix it. no, too cheap/not trendy enough to own a mac :P [01:39] disk rescue 2 got it [01:39] disk rescue 2? [01:39] some app [01:39] how to mount usb key [01:40] oh. mac stuff. [01:40] euphoria1: put that into google, see if it brings up anything [01:40] lol [01:40] SpamapS: any ideas on the problem in my paste? [01:40] euphoria1, mkdir /media/usb; sudo mound /dev/sdb1 /media/usb [01:40] replace sdb1 with whatever your USB key is [01:41] mount* [01:41] and mound with mount :P [01:41] sorry [01:41] qman__: he can just use fdisk -l to see it right? [01:41] yes, or dmesg [01:41] when you plug it in it usually pops on screen [01:41] ok, so not any different, thought it was [01:41] there's 10 ways, ls -lah /dev/disk/by-uuid [01:41] qman__, -server? :P [01:41] arrrghhh: heh [01:42] arrrghhh: any ideas on http://paste.ubuntu.com/538513/ [01:42] or qman__ ? :) [01:42] arrrghhh, by pops on, I meant the messages, new device sdb on USB blah blah blah [01:42] taking too long to load, losing interest [01:42] qman__, haha fair enough;. [01:43] man failed to load at all [01:43] Anyone any idea? [01:43] Beyond "Dns search path" not working [01:43] arrrghhh: the paste did? [01:43] Slyboots, didn't you read what i said? [01:43] The_Tick, yes... [01:43] well let me solve that :) [01:43] porn&irc work, so it's your link :P [01:43] arrrghhh: What? other than "your client sucks" [01:43] Slyboots, lol no you need to fix your client. [01:44] Its Windows 7 o.O [01:44] but yes, your client sucks. [01:44] ...#ubuntu-server? [01:44] ... Yea thats really helpful [01:44] http://pastie.org/1337129 [01:44] The_Tick, I can't get to your link, not sure if it's down or what [01:44] Yes.. Im running the DNS/DHCP on ubuntu-server [01:44] that one works [01:44] Windows 7 is my client [01:44] new paste website, I choose you [01:44] ooh, they even have fancy bash color coding [01:45] The_Tick: looking now [01:45] thanks guys [01:45] * Slyboots rubs his eyes [01:45] this is stressful [01:45] Slyboots: dns problems? [01:45] The_Tick, well, something is wrong with procps, but what that is isn't clear [01:45] qman__: agreed [01:45] try clearing out your apport reports so it makes one [01:45] The_Tick, looks like you've got two issues. the upstart issue with procps, and the dependency issue with initramfs-tools [01:45] that's where I'm lost [01:46] The_Tick: I think you might need to do a force on the procps configure [01:46] "package udev is not configured yet" [01:46] ^^ initramfs-tools problem [01:46] arrrghhh: Error: "^" is not a valid command. [01:46] sorry bot... :S [01:46] didn't mean to give you heartburn. [01:47] yeah, ^ was a very poor choice of command character [01:47] The_Tick: Moved my DHCP server onto my ubuntu box [01:47] Slyboots: is the old one still up? [01:47] But now if I ping anything thats not a fully formed domain name; it pings $host.slyboots.co.ul [01:47] But some random IP [01:47] No [01:47] go get that one back up [01:47] tho, I'm a little confused as to what jobs procps starts [01:47] then change the scope on the new one to another internal network [01:48] and only allow for 2 clients so you can troubleshoot [01:48] that way you're less stressed [01:48] Well I know it works fine if I take the other DHCP server up [01:48] ahh a task [01:48] Its not a *huge* deal; normal DNS resolution to say "google.com" is fine [01:48] The_Tick: check /var/log/daemon.log [01:49] Its oonly non-valid domains like "testbox" or whatever; resolve to that random IP address [01:49] grep for "error" or anything else? [01:49] Slyboots: try going to testbox. [01:49] add the period [01:49] it seems like your issue is client side Slyboots. the dns append thing on your network connections [01:49] Yea; adding the peroid stops it pining "No such host" [01:50] Which is.. correct behavior [01:50] Slyboots: it has to do with dns [01:50] not really the dhcp [01:50] SpamapS: nothing really there [01:50] qman__: so how do I clear that? [01:50] I'm googling but if you know off hand [01:51] This was working fine for weeks before I moved the DHCP server [01:51] Slyboots, this happens on all your client pcs? [01:51] arrrghhh: ya, I see that, but I'm not sure why it's not going through whenever I play the cleanup the package game [01:51] The_Tick, did you try forcing it? [01:52] The_Tick, I don't know, I was searching too [01:52] The_Tick: ok, well its probably failing trying to run the commands in /etc/init/procps.conf [01:52] Same behavoir [01:52] Slyboots, so you don't have anything in the append dns suffix section? [01:52] in dnsmasq? [01:53] arrrghhh: trying to figure out the syntax [01:53] no on your client pcs [01:53] SpamapS: now to cat that file, bwa ha [01:53] The_Tick, i would think just a dpkg-configure udev [01:53] oh crap [01:53] it's sysctl [01:53] arrrghhh: which fails :) [01:53] Mmm [01:54] "DNS Suffix Search List: slyboots.lan" [01:54] The_Tick, oic. odd. [01:54] Slyboots, .... [01:54] ooh [01:54] Is that wrong o.O? [01:54] LOL [01:54] I thought that was just like a local network name [01:54] dude. [01:54] that appends that suffix on anything that it considers local. [01:54] nothing wrong with it, but that's where it's looking [01:54] http://pastie.org/1337144 [01:54] Slyboots, told you it was your client :P [01:55] Actually no [01:55] It was the server [01:55] oh man, this looks like stupid firewall crap [01:55] dhpd3 has an optional "domain name" [01:55] oh you had the server specify that value in the dhcp option? [01:55] yea. [01:55] Just commented it out and.. well now its working [01:55] lol [01:55] that's only if you're in a domain. [01:56] Slyboots, that is a correct configuration for a local zone, but you have to actually have the zone configured [01:56] that's how I have mine set up [01:56] but I have a DNS zone with my local addresses and names [01:56] Ah; well since Im not 100% what it does.. and disabling fixes it [01:56] I'll just leave it disabled :) [01:56] hahaha [01:56] yea i try not to enable something unless i know what it does. [01:57] i hate configuring things on our cisco call manager servers lol [01:57] Ah its all good pratice :) [01:57] Its a leanring experiance [01:57] "Hmm.. turning this on causes me to catch fire.. think I'll leave it off" [01:57] well gotta learn how to troubleshoot dude :P [01:57] if you put your feet aflame, gotta know how to put 'em out ;) [01:57] :D [01:58] oh wonderful.. looks like a bunch of canonical's properties are suffering right now.. :p [01:58] haha [01:58] "properties"? [01:59] arrrghhh: launchpad, ubuntu one.. things Canonical owns. [01:59] oh, ok. [02:00] meh. shuttleworth can just pump more monies into the engine. [02:00] oh crap [02:00] that was it [02:00] poop? [02:01] The_Tick: that might be a legitimate bug [02:01] SpamapS: could be [02:02] The_Tick: or did you just put bad stuff in sysctl.d ? ;) [02:02] I didn't, but I'm sure there might be other junk that was [02:02] anyhow, commented out things that it errored about [02:02] The_Tick: either way, thats why we need console logged back. ;) [02:02] * SpamapS is working on it [02:04] woo' thats local DNS and DHCP working [02:05] Fun times! [02:05] SpamapS: if the package didn't mess with it, I can get you the files that I had to comment things out on [02:05] if that'll help [02:06] in fact, I can just paste it all [02:14] Right'; next fun thing to get going is.. network boot [02:18] Slyboots, pxe booting to image machines or for lstp? [02:18] or ltsp, whatever it is lol [02:18] image machines [02:19] nice. do you use clonezilla? [02:19] I use XBMC and I'm playing with the idea of pushing the OS over NFS :) === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [02:19] I'vfe not even tested it yet; just playing with the idea [02:19] hrm [02:19] I don't think I'd go that far with a video setup [02:19] yea i figured out how to pxe boot and drop linux images real easy. [02:19] you want it to work and forget about it [02:19] * Slyboots nods [02:20] It doenst look terribly complicated [02:20] just get it to connect to the nets [02:20] i'd like to figure out how to just throw iso's at a pxe server and image machines at will. [02:20] haven't figured that out yet. [02:20] arrrghhh: vmware esxi :P [02:20] lol [02:20] or rather, the citrix vm software [02:20] you can build templates [02:20] and it reads iso's [02:20] yea i guess our network crap was all prebuild images... [02:21] since all the hardware is pretty similar they just baked in the drivers. bah. [02:21] what i really want probably isn't possible. just me dreamin :P [02:21] sure it is [02:21] I recently had to get a pxe DOS image working to install windows XP on a laptop [02:21] being able to drop linux images via the network is very nice. [02:21] which had a dead DVD drive and could not boot from USB [02:21] qman__: I might have to find the old debian netboot install to get linux onto a libretto 50ct [02:21] qman__, sounds like fun :P [02:21] linux images should be a lot easier [02:22] qman__, they are pretty easy. [02:22] i was able to set it up pretty easily, i was surprised. [02:22] the most difficult part was probably setting up dhcp on the server instead of my router. [02:22] and that wasn't too difficult :P [02:22] one of those "eventually" things [02:23] I'd like to get a basic PXE image going on my main DHCP server [02:25] as someone who works on computers, it'd be nice to not have to burn and swap CDs to test hardware and install operating systems [02:25] qman__, well when you do, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PXEInstallServer <--- all i needed. [02:26] yep, that's why i did it. [02:26] much easier to image machines thru pxe. just wish i could drop windoze images as easily haha [02:26] yeah, not so simple there [02:26] assuming their machine is licensed for the version of windows i'm installing, and i use their key i assume that's legit... but not really a topic for this room. [02:27] i guess the pxe linux server that drops windows images is. [02:27] I speculate one could get a windows XP ready-to-install image, but then you still have to convert to ntfs and wait on the install [02:27] I'm sure with BartPE it'd be doable. [02:27] if not... dare i say easy? [02:27] the only other way is to install XP and set it up for imaging [02:27] i should look into it. [02:27] which is possible but you still run into problems sometimes [02:27] yea, driver-related mosly. [02:27] for vista and newer I have no idea [02:27] mostly. [02:28] for 7... that probably isn't such an issue. [02:28] trouble is though, you'd need a different image for each type of license key [02:29] different editions, OEM or retail, and even different OEM images [02:29] damn windows. yea, i guess pxe should stick to linux. [02:29] :P [02:29] certain HP and Dell licenses won't work with generic OEM discs [02:29] until recently microsoft didn't even have their own imaging system. [02:29] you need an HP/Dell specific version [02:29] fortunately they mostly did away with that mess with vista [02:30] a lot less discs [02:30] ha [02:30] but it's still a mess of licenses, one of the best benefits of linux [02:31] indeed [02:31] it's a bit off topic, but did you know windows 7 home premium can't backup to a network share? [02:31] lol [02:31] no, and fail. [02:32] even third party software? [02:32] a misfeature, disabled intentionally to make you pay more [02:32] no, the built in tools [02:32] oic [02:32] heh, I didn't think home editions could do any networking stuff [02:32] indeed. [02:32] lol they can't even network. [02:32] no internets, must buy ultimate edition for that... [02:32] it's the same tool as the professional version [02:33] just disabled [02:33] I finally hit the ipv6 issues in windows, that we have had in some linux things for awhile now [02:33] gotta have a USB disk or use DVDs [02:33] as programs start to use ipv6 in windows [02:34] what makes me really upset, is you have to have ultimate edition, if you want to use a language other than english :( [02:35] patdk-lap, really? what about that stupid starter edition, that they don't even sell in the US? [02:35] well, I'm english native [02:35] I've seen a few netbooks with STarter edition on it [02:36] but I do like to type in other languages, so ultimate is required :( [02:36] I guess I could just dualboot two copies of windows to work around it, but not fun [02:36] Slyboots, really? i didn't think they sold it in the states. or was there an even more basic edition? [02:36] yeah, it has other language support, but it's crippled [02:36] Would you all mind taking the bitching about Windows elsewhere. It's off topic here. [02:36] I'll have to be a pedant, and point out you don't need windows ultimate to use multiple languages. every OS I have does so just fine :) [02:37] indeed. didn't realize you had a question... didn't think we were bothering anyone that did have a question. [02:37] * patdk-lap hands out spankings to the channel [02:38] lol [02:38] ScottK, what's your question? [02:38] arrrghhh: Whether I have a question or not doesn't make bitching about Windows on topic. [02:38] oh no it's definitely OT. [02:38] So please take it elsewhere. [02:39] i just don't see it bothering anyone unless we are preventing people from getting support. [02:39] I tend to read this channel in case people have questions. [02:40] im connecting [02:40] to my wifi through ubuntu-server [02:40] but i get no internet [02:40] So the continuing chatter causes me to keep checking. [02:40] It's annoying. [02:40] awwww [02:40] sorry to annoy you. [02:40] euphoria1, have you tried iwlist? [02:40] qman__, http://www.fsf.org/bulletin/2007/fall/antifeatures/ :) [02:40] arrrghhh: aye; seen at on a few acer netbooks at the airport [02:40] or what is it.... iwscan or something? [02:40] I didnt think it was used at all but.. go figure [02:41] yes [02:41] euphoria1, can you see networks? [02:41] * patdk-lap wonders what exactly conecting to my wifi through ubuntu-server means [02:41] yes [02:41] i installed all drivers [02:41] etc [02:41] laptop -> ubuntu-server -> wifi? [02:42] im connecting to the wifi server [02:42] but still no internet connection on the server [02:42] i'm assuming he has a router that is wifi, and a usb dongle or something on the server to connect to the router. [02:42] no [02:42] euphoria1, am i correct in that assumption or are you trying to make the ubuntu server a wifi router? [02:42] im using usb card [02:42] no [02:42] i share internet with guy next door [02:42] ... [02:42] so thats why i use wifi for server [02:42] "share" === TheNetuno is now known as Guest13492 [02:43] so why'd you say no to my first question? [02:43]