| charlie-tca | been a while since I installed edubuntu. | 00:09 |
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| fader_ | It boots really, really fast though | 00:10 |
| fader_ | :) | 00:10 |
| stgraber | fader_: and Ubuntu worked fine on that same hardware ? | 00:19 |
| stgraber | (we don't do anything fancy with the gnome session, so it should be pretty much identical to ubuntu's) | 00:19 |
| stgraber | my current guess is that the session tried to start unity and failed, that results in exactly what you described | 00:19 |
| stgraber | as in, no gnome-panel because it's a unity desktop and just nautilus because compiz crashed | 00:20 |
| stgraber | though that's hardware dependent, not distro/desktop dependent so if on that box you only have the issue with edubuntu, then it's very weird | 00:21 |
| fader_ | stgraber: Ubuntu live session did bring up the panel (though it tried to go to unity and failed first) | 00:24 |
| fader_ | I'll test it again in a moment to be sure | 00:24 |
| fader_ | Maybe it's a DVD thing | 00:24 |
| fader_ | stgraber: On the other hand I seem to always manage to have bugs that nobody else can reproduce :P | 00:27 |
| fader_ | Ask cjwatson what I did to him right before the maverick release :P | 00:27 |
| charlie-tca | +1 for fader_ having stranger issues than other people | 00:28 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: Hey, leave my personal life out of this :P | 00:28 |
| charlie-tca | fader_, did you try choosing classic session? | 00:29 |
| * charlie-tca couldn't resist | 00:29 | |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: On the Ubuntu CD yes | 00:29 |
| charlie-tca | On edubuntu? | 00:29 |
| fader_ | On edubuntu it should be the default I think | 00:29 |
| fader_ | But happily I still have that VM lying around, hang on :) | 00:29 |
| charlie-tca | sounds like it defaults to unity | 00:30 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: Good call! | 00:30 |
| charlie-tca | Unity doesn't havee fallback until alpha2 | 00:31 |
| fader_ | Er, this is weird though -- both the 'desktop' and 'classic' sessions exec the same thing | 00:32 |
| stgraber | fader_: Edubuntu ships with unity | 00:32 |
| fader_ | Exec=gnome-session | 00:32 |
| charlie-tca | crap | 00:32 |
| charlie-tca | I can't reproduce my but | 00:32 |
| fader_ | stgraber: Hmm, it's still listed as an option in the installer | 00:33 |
| charlie-tca | s/but/bug | 00:33 |
| stgraber | fader_: yeah, I didn't update the installer :) | 00:33 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: The encrypted install worked this time? | 00:33 |
| fader_ | stgraber: Hah! You are trying to trick me! | 00:33 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 00:33 |
| * fader_ goes to mark his bug as invalid. | 00:33 | |
| charlie-tca | Guess I will try it one more time to make sure | 00:34 |
| charlie-tca | I put the ati card back in. Maybe I just caught it between updates somehow | 00:34 |
| charlie-tca | It worked perfect this time | 00:35 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: It's probably my fault... I jinxed you | 00:37 |
| charlie-tca | Seems so :-) | 00:38 |
| charlie-tca | I can always reproduce my bugs | 00:38 |
| charlie-tca | Running the encrypted install again ;-) | 00:42 |
| charlie-tca | Got to be possible I just have really bad timing today | 00:51 |
| charlie-tca | Hello, cprofitt | 00:51 |
| charlie-tca | testing is happening | 00:51 |
| cprofitt | hey charlie-tca | 00:51 |
| cprofitt | I saw... | 00:51 |
| cprofitt | I have to get that started... | 00:51 |
| cprofitt | tomorrow night is my target | 00:52 |
| cprofitt | tonight is not a good night | 00:52 |
| charlie-tca | you can say that again | 00:52 |
| charlie-tca | I got a major fail the first test, and can't seem to reproduce | 00:52 |
| charlie-tca | but, it is fader_ 's fault ;-) | 00:53 |
| fader_ | Think of how much faster ISO testing would go if I'd stop doing it :) | 00:54 |
| cprofitt | lol | 00:54 |
| cprofitt | I am watching the three kids -- wife is out... and feel sick to my stomach | 00:54 |
| cprofitt | iso testing... likely not good tonight | 00:54 |
| cprofitt | despite fader_ | 00:54 |
| fader_ | cprofitt: :P | 00:55 |
| fader_ | I hope you feel better though :/ | 00:55 |
| * fader_ is canning turkey stock while ISO testing. | 00:55 | |
| charlie-tca | cprofitt, might be done already if fader_ would not make these issues happen | 00:55 |
| fader_ | Hehe | 00:55 |
| charlie-tca | cprofitt, sorry to hear you are ill tonight | 00:58 |
| cprofitt | no big deal charlie-tca | 01:08 |
| cprofitt | turkey stock... a skill I desire to learn by next year | 01:08 |
| fader_ | cprofitt: It's more or less: 1) eat turkey 2) throw turkey bones in pot of water 3) boil forever | 01:10 |
| fader_ | :) | 01:10 |
| fader_ | It makes awesome soup | 01:11 |
| cprofitt | it does.... | 01:11 |
| charlie-tca | You don't throw salt and pepper in? | 01:11 |
| cprofitt | I did what you said last year and it smelled terrible | 01:11 |
| fader_ | Hehe | 01:14 |
| fader_ | Well, there are other things in it too. Vegetables, salt, pepper, etc. | 01:14 |
| fader_ | To be honest, my Significant Other makes the stock and I can it. | 01:15 |
| fader_ | So don't trust my recipe too much ;) | 01:15 |
| charlie-tca | Yeah, that's it | 01:15 |
| charlie-tca | carrots, maybe celery, salt, pepper, gallons of water | 01:15 |
| charlie-tca | boil the crap out of it with the cover on | 01:16 |
| charlie-tca | If the turkey was wrong, it stinks, I think :-) | 01:17 |
| fader_ | I believe there were onions in this as well. At least, it looked like there were onions when I was picking the meat off the carcass afterward. | 01:17 |
| charlie-tca | sounds right | 01:17 |
| charlie-tca | I used to watch my mother do it | 01:18 |
| fader_ | That's the best part, BTW -- you can carve everything off the turkey, then when you've boiled it you get like another pound of meat | 01:18 |
| fader_ | It's like magic | 01:18 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 01:18 |
| fader_ | Hmm, looks like the ISO tracker asplode | 01:40 |
| stgraber | DC exploded apparently | 01:43 |
| stgraber | launchpad is down too | 01:44 |
| fader_ | Oh man, that's not good | 01:44 |
| stgraber | ubuntu.com is still alive but canonical.com is dead | 01:44 |
| tgm4883 | stgraber, canonical.com works for me? | 01:45 |
| fader_ | Yeah, #launchpad has "Launchpad down due to data centre issues, more soon" in the topic | 01:45 |
| stgraber | 02:38 -!- charlieS changed the topic of #canonical-sysadmin to: Known issues: One datacenter is unreachable currently. || Vanguard: squinky || RT: https://rt.ubuntu.com/ (uname/pword ubuntu/ubuntu) || Although we idle here, please mail requests to mailto:rt@ubuntu.com | 01:45 |
| fader_ | And mwhudson says "believe me, people are out of bed and in taxis in london as we type" | 01:46 |
| fader_ | I believe my bad luck is expanding | 01:46 |
| stgraber | good thing, archive.ubuntu.com isn't affected :) could be worse | 01:49 |
| fader_ | No way, this is a disaster -- both iso.qa.ubuntu.com *and* hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com are down! | 01:49 |
| fader_ | :P | 01:49 |
| stgraber | fader_: just go and read www.edubuntu.org ;) we're in the right DC apparently :) | 01:50 |
| fader_ | Hehe | 01:50 |
| fader_ | stgraber: I thought you lived in the DC with edubuntu.org ;) | 01:50 |
| charlie-tca | Well, at least we can test what we have... | 02:04 |
| fader_ | As long as you don't need to report any bugs ;) | 02:05 |
| stgraber | cdimage works here | 02:05 |
| charlie-tca | hm, or try to cancel I did report? | 02:05 |
| charlie-tca | does that read wrong to you, too? It looks like I really can't use english tonight? | 02:07 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca: Yeah, I have no idea what that meant | 02:08 |
| fader_ | I know all the words but I don't think they work in that order | 02:08 |
| charlie-tca | Well, good. It isn't just me then :-) | 02:08 |
| fader_ | :) | 02:09 |
| skaet_ | charlie-tca, fader_ just heard that IS is aware of the datacenter problem, and is working on it. fingers crossed, it gets figured out soon. | 02:18 |
| fader_ | skaet_: Thanks :) I've been trying not to bug anyone since it was in the topic in #launchpad | 02:19 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you , skaet_ | 02:20 |
| charlie-tca | well, skaet_, fader_ that bug on the encrypted install is invalid, but with everything down, I can not mark it in launchpad. | 02:21 |
| stgraber | looks like we're back online | 02:21 |
| charlie-tca | I can not reproduce it | 02:21 |
| fader_ | \o/ | 02:21 |
| stgraber | iso.qa.ubuntu.com works from here | 02:21 |
| charlie-tca | Changed in the iso tracker, but can't mark it in launchpad. | 02:22 |
| fader_ | Yeah, lp still seems to be down | 02:25 |
| fader_ | But my guess is it will be up shortly | 02:25 |
| skaet_ | :) glad we're back in tracking mode in iso tracker at least.... keeping fingers crossed lp comes up soon. Elmo is in the building in London. | 02:25 |
| fader_ | Oh man, poor elmo | 02:25 |
| skaet_ | indeed. | 02:25 |
| fader_ | I'm glad I'm on the other side of the room right now... my poor ears would probably melt | 02:26 |
| fader_ | :) | 02:26 |
| fader_ | lp seems to be up too | 02:27 |
| skaet_ | *\o/* | 02:27 |
| charlie-tca | skaet_, I will run the 386 desktop images tomorrow. I seem to have a good working setup on hardware now | 02:28 |
| skaet_ | charlie-tca, thanks. :) am probably going to call it a night myself now. | 02:29 |
| fader_ | charlie-tca, skaet_: G'night! | 02:30 |
| charlie-tca | Good night | 02:30 |
| * fader_ is also calling it a night... ciao folks | 02:57 | |
| ara | good morning | 07:54 |
| * ara syncs kubuntu desktop i386 | 08:17 | |
| sulumar | Greetings | 08:35 |
| jibel | Hi sulumar | 08:36 |
| sulumar | that alpha iso seems to be corrupted. ill try something else | 08:40 |
| Shakib | hi | 11:36 |
| Shakib | someone here? | 11:37 |
| charlie-tca | Good morning | 13:18 |
| pedro_ | morning charlie-tca | 13:21 |
| charlie-tca | still going | 13:22 |
| charlie-tca | Is the ISO tracker going to get updated with the new image date? | 13:22 |
| jibel | Good morning charlie-tca | 13:22 |
| charlie-tca | another day, another... | 13:23 |
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| charlie-tca | Meeting in #ubuntu-quality now | 17:15 |
| skaet_ | jibel, charlie-tca - new desktop for ubuntu has been uploaded now with WUBI and the 2D fix. others emerging in through the afternoon. | 17:57 |
| charlie-tca | syncing now | 17:58 |
| pedro_ | FYI: the 2D fix works fine here | 18:13 |
| kamusin | cool | 18:16 |
| Curly_Q | Anyone here familiar with Aptosid Linux? | 18:40 |
| Curly_Q | If you are not familiar with it it is here: http://www.aptosid.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=396 | 18:43 |
| Curly_Q | I was looking for any comments on it. | 18:44 |
| charlie-tca | Has it got anything to do with testing Ubuntu? | 18:44 |
| Curly_Q | It is Linux related. Are you familiar with it? | 18:44 |
| charlie-tca | This channel is for testing of Ubuntu, not offtopic discussions. Might want to try in #ubuntu-offtopic | 18:45 |
| Curly_Q | If you don't know just say so. I don't mind. It doesn't hurt to ask a question. | 18:45 |
| charlie-tca | the discussion in not appropriate here | 18:46 |
| Curly_Q | OK I see. So you are puffed up with your channel topics. | 18:46 |
| Curly_Q | Get a live my friend. | 18:47 |
| Curly_Q | Get a life. | 18:47 |
| pacchi | man | 19:01 |
| pacchi | date | 19:01 |
| pacchi | flag a | 19:02 |
| highvoltage | is it essential to test upgrades for the alpha release? | 19:03 |
| highvoltage | (oh, nm :) ) | 19:04 |
| skaet_ | pedro_, thanks for checking it out. good to know it won't need documenting then. | 19:20 |
| charlie-tca | um, anybody testing Ubuntu desktop on hardware? | 19:45 |
| charlie-tca | pedro_, was that on hardware? | 19:46 |
| pedro_ | charlie-tca, no, it was on a VM | 19:47 |
| pedro_ | so no 3d support | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 19:48 |
| charlie-tca | We need somebody to verify the live cd works on 3d hardware. Mine is losing the panel and dock on logging in | 19:50 |
| charlie-tca | burning a new dvd to try again | 19:51 |
| charlie-tca | skaet_, I am losing the dock and panel running the desktop cd on hardware. Also, shortcuts will not work at all. | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | Got a blank desktop and no way to quit | 19:58 |
| skaet_ | :( | 19:58 |
| charlie-tca | looks to me like adding 2d fallback broke it completely on 3d hardware | 19:59 |
| skaet_ | not good. | 19:59 |
| * skaet_ off to go find some folk to help. | 20:00 | |
| skaet_ | charlie-tca, jasoncwarner is going to ask robert_ancell to look into it when he comes online. Looks like we've missed seb128 and didrocks :( | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | Okay | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | Can you kick the iso tracker? Xubuntu desktop images are out again | 20:25 |
| charlie-tca | well, are done rebuilding, I mean. | 20:25 |
| bdmurray | charlie-tca: I imagine bug 672699 is a regression right? | 20:31 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 672699 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "screen-reader does not work (affects: 1) (heat: 196)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672699 | 20:31 |
| charlie-tca | bdmurray, I don't actually know. That is the alternate image, and I don't know if it ever worked | 20:34 |
| bdmurray | charlie-tca: okay, thanks | 20:35 |
| charlie-tca | It was kind of a placeholder, so we would try and get it working for natty | 20:35 |
| skaet_ | charlie-tca, is there a bug number for the 2d fallback breaking 3d? or should just reopen the 2d one? | 20:41 |
| charlie-tca | I did not file one, I was hoping someone could verify it first. | 20:42 |
| charlie-tca | I guess we can reopen the 2d bug. I can't really get anything off this since I can't use any shortcut keys | 20:43 |
| rickspencer3 | hi all | 20:44 |
| charlie-tca | Am I really the one with hardware to test with? | 20:44 |
| charlie-tca | Hello, rickspencer3 | 20:46 |
| skaet_ | hi rickspencer3 | 20:46 |
| rickspencer3 | I'd like to understand what's up with the 2d/3d fallback thing | 20:46 |
| rickspencer3 | and help get it unstuck asap | 20:46 |
| rickspencer3 | 1. is there a bug #? | 20:47 |
| charlie-tca | I can not get it work in a live environment on real hardware now | 20:47 |
| rickspencer3 | 2. if not, what are the symptoms and could someone please log a bug so we can track | 20:47 |
| charlie-tca | As soon as the desktop comes up, the dock and panel disappear | 20:47 |
| rickspencer3 | charlie-tca, if I dist-upgrade right now and restart, should I see the same problem? | 20:47 |
| charlie-tca | no | 20:47 |
| charlie-tca | It is the new images today | 20:48 |
| charlie-tca | It is a fresh install using the latest desktop cd. When I go to Try Ubuntu, it fails as soon as the desktop comes up | 20:48 |
| rickspencer3 | charlie-tca, but would I not see the system if I simply update? | 20:49 |
| charlie-tca | I haven't even tried the install with the latest image | 20:49 |
| rickspencer3 | I am on Natty | 20:49 |
| charlie-tca | rickspencer3, I don't know if it will show up on an upgrade. I am seeing it on the live desktop, not an installed desktop | 20:49 |
| rickspencer3 | I see | 20:50 |
| rickspencer3 | charlie-tca, I'll start by creating a live image here, and see if I repro it | 20:50 |
| charlie-tca | It worked earlier today. The image was changed to allow 2d fallback to work | 20:50 |
| rickspencer3 | can you link me to the specific image? | 20:50 |
| charlie-tca | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 20:51 |
| charlie-tca | I am using the 386 image | 20:51 |
| charlie-tca | specifically: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso | 20:51 |
| charlie-tca | I have another image running right now. As soon as it is done, I will file the bug and try to pull the live cd logs | 20:53 |
| rickspencer3 | can someone please log a bug! | 20:55 |
| rickspencer3 | marjo ^? | 20:55 |
| marjo | rickspencer3: will do | 20:55 |
| charlie-tca | I can file it. I just can't pull the logs yet | 20:55 |
| rickspencer3 | dang it | 20:56 |
| rickspencer3 | my downlink is going at 200KB, so this is going to take like an hour to download | 20:57 |
| rickspencer3 | charlie-tca, shall I see if it effects my on a dist-upgrade? | 20:57 |
| charlie-tca | I think it is the image itself | 20:57 |
| rickspencer3 | interesting | 20:58 |
| rickspencer3 | skaet_, if it's the image itself, then maybe after we get a bug number, we can ask cjwatson to look at it | 20:59 |
| mterry | Should I be testing http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20101201.1/ ? | 21:03 |
| rickspencer3 | charlie-tca, skaet_, I asked some folks in #ubuntu-desktop to try the image as well | 21:03 |
| rickspencer3 | charlie-tca, ^ ? | 21:03 |
| rickspencer3 | mterry, he previously pointed right to current: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | great | 21:03 |
| mterry | OK | 21:03 |
| vish | hi, so i downloaded today's image, and unity doesnt run.. it just loads for a couple of secs and crashes … when i logged into a classic session i got the compiz crash and logged Bug 683840 | 21:03 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683840 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() (affects: 3) (dups: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683840 | 21:03 |
| charlie-tca | bug 683859 | 21:03 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859 | 21:04 |
| charlie-tca | thank you, vish. Is that the 20101201.1 image? | 21:05 |
| vish | charlie-tca: thats the same bug as i mentioned.. :) | 21:05 |
| skaet_ | mterry, vish, earlier images was 20101201; image in current right now is in 20101201.1 | 21:05 |
| charlie-tca | rickspencer3, ^ ^ verified | 21:05 |
| marjo | skaet, charlie-tca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/683860 | 21:05 |
| rickspencer3 | yup | 21:05 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 21:05 |
| rickspencer3 | vish, are you able to find out what, specifically, is crashing? | 21:05 |
| vish | charlie-tca: image is 20101201 and then i updated again.. | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | well, now we got two bugs for it. | 21:06 |
| vish | so fully updated live usb.. | 21:06 |
| marjo | charlie-tca: i just subscribed you to it | 21:06 |
| vish | charlie-tca: its the same symptom as you describe in your bug.. | 21:06 |
| charlie-tca | Want me to dup bug 683859 to it? | 21:06 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859 | 21:06 |
| marjo | charlie-tca: i suggest not; let's let cjwatson do the duping | 21:07 |
| vish | charlie-tca: either way, i think the apport one has the traces.. | 21:07 |
| charlie-tca | marjo, can't get an apport trace | 21:08 |
| marjo | charlie-tca: ack | 21:08 |
| charlie-tca | I can't get a terminal in the live cd. Shortcuts are broken too | 21:08 |
| rickspencer3 | is anyone from dx/compiz around to look at this crasher? | 21:08 |
| charlie-tca | I will attempt to ssh the logs | 21:09 |
| charlie-tca | burning another dvd, will do what I can to pull logs | 21:11 |
| vish | charlie-tca: are you able to switch to classic session? | 21:11 |
| charlie-tca | I can't log out | 21:11 |
| charlie-tca | No | 21:11 |
| vish | charlie-tca: try Sys+Alt+k | 21:11 |
| vish | thats what i do.. and then i switch to the classic one.. | 21:11 |
| charlie-tca | Used to be able to use terminal, but ctrl+alt+t is broken too | 21:12 |
| vish | yea, terminal does not open | 21:12 |
| * charlie-tca is really glad it isn't just him | 21:12 | |
| charlie-tca | give me a minute. burn this dvd and boot it | 21:13 |
| cyphermox | rickspencer3, I'm zsyncing the amd64 image now to test | 21:15 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks cyphermox | 21:15 |
| cyphermox | unless it's just on i386? | 21:16 |
| vish | rickspencer3: afaik, it's compiz crashing here.. well atleast thats what apport keeps reporting when i get to the classic session. | 21:16 |
| rickspencer3 | vish, right, assuming that's the issue | 21:17 |
| cyphermox | hmm... oops, downloading too fast :/ | 21:17 |
| mterry | rickspencer3, I'm in a live session, and unity doesn't come up at all... I get nautilus but no unity. Is this the bug you mentioned? | 21:24 |
| rickspencer3 | mterry, prolly | 21:25 |
| rickspencer3 | charlie-tca, ^ | 21:25 |
| rickspencer3 | mterry, any chance you could look at what is going on specifically? | 21:25 |
| vish | mterry: how are you getting nautilus? from the examples folder? | 21:25 |
| mterry | vish, it draws my background | 21:26 |
| mterry | rickspencer3, I'm looking around | 21:29 |
| rickspencer3 | thanks mterry | 21:29 |
| rickspencer3 | I think we'd all like to know the root cause asap | 21:29 |
| vish | mterry: yea, background is there with the folders.. | 21:29 |
| rickspencer3 | vish, thanks to you for your help getting to this as well | 21:29 |
| vish | np.. | 21:29 |
| * rickspencer3 steps away | 21:29 | |
| mterry | I can run compiz, but unity doesn't come up | 21:29 |
| jasoncwarner | mterry: is there a crash report or anything? | 21:29 |
| mterry | jasoncwarner, no. And as far as I can see, compiz isn't actually crashed. I don't know how it was when I first logged in, but I ran compiz manually from a terminal and unity still didn't come up, even though compiz is running fine | 21:29 |
| jasoncwarner | mterry: hmm..ok... | 21:29 |
| mterry | jasoncwarner, are there compiz/DX folks around? | 21:29 |
| jasoncwarner | mterry: looking now | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | yes, exactly | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | It draws the background, then the dock and top panel, then it takes the panel and dock away | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | Maybe my system is slow enough to see it happen? | 21:29 |
| charlie-tca | end result is the wallpaper, no shortcuts working and no way to test anything | 21:29 |
| mterry | charlie-tca, interesting. I didn't notice it come up, but I might have just blinked | 21:30 |
| mterry | charlie-tca, I did see that today on my natty laptop, where unity came, went, but in my laptop's case, it came again and stayed | 21:32 |
| vish | charlie-tca: oh! I'm on an AOA as well, so might be why we are noticing unity appear and then go away.. | 21:32 |
| vish | when unity loads i only see the switcher and the trash icon on the dock | 21:32 |
| mterry | When I run compiz from a terminal, the unityshell plugin is not among those it lists as initialized during startup | 21:32 |
| seb128 | hey | 21:32 |
| vish | even the app menu loads but then gone.. | 21:32 |
| mterry | seb128, hihi | 21:32 |
| seb128 | how are things going there? | 21:32 |
| mterry | seb128, trying to get to bottom of things still | 21:32 |
| seb128 | what is the issue? | 21:32 |
| mterry | vish, charlie-tca: I think I may have different issue from you, as unityshell doesn't even attempt to load in my case. Sounds like it loads for you two and then dies | 21:33 |
| mterry | seb128, ^ basically | 21:33 |
| seb128 | hum | 21:33 |
| cyphermox | ugh, it' s really inconvenient to have compiz segfault like that :/ | 21:33 |
| seb128 | mterry, several people having the issue? | 21:33 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, hey | 21:33 |
| cyphermox | seb128: got it too ;) | 21:34 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, stacktrace? | 21:34 |
| mterry | seb128, a few | 21:34 |
| cyphermox | hold on, just managed to log in to IRC with emathy :0 | 21:34 |
| seb128 | what issue exactly? | 21:34 |
| vish | seb128: well there are a few dups.. Bug 683840 | 21:34 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683840 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() (affects: 3) (dups: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683840 | 21:34 |
| vish | <Sarvatt> vish: ohh so it looks like its just expecting cheese to be installed but it isnt on the livecd? | 21:35 |
| vish | charlie-tca: ^ is cheese there ? | 21:35 |
| charlie-tca | I am just a hair gunshy after not being able to reproduce my bug from yesterday | 21:35 |
| charlie-tca | This was working before the change to add 2d fallback today | 21:35 |
| mterry | vish, I don't have cheese installed in the live cd | 21:35 |
| cyphermox | vish: cheese isn' t there | 21:35 |
| seb128 | it's not supposed to be | 21:36 |
| charlie-tca | vish, I seem to have been lost for a few minutes, I have to read two full screens now to catch up | 21:36 |
| charlie-tca | yes, vish. This is accurate | 21:37 |
| charlie-tca | <vish> when unity loads i only see the switcher and the trash icon on the dock | 21:37 |
| charlie-tca | seb128, also bug 683860 | 21:38 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683860 | 21:38 |
| seb128 | seems you guys are mixing different issues | 21:39 |
| seb128 | it doesn't make easy to track what's going on | 21:40 |
| charlie-tca | yup, I think you are right. also bug 683859 | 21:40 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859 | 21:40 |
| seb128 | vish, your bug seems a duplicate of bug #682345 | 21:41 |
| cyphermox | seb128: fwiw, I seem to get the same stack trace in gdb for compiz crashing | 21:41 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345 | 21:41 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, which one? | 21:41 |
| cyphermox | huh, hard to tell now | 21:41 |
| cyphermox | #0 0x00007fffe6178cd0 in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () | 21:42 |
| cyphermox | from /usr/lib/libnux-graphics-0.9.so.0, like so many others :/ | 21:42 |
| seb128 | ok, same bug that I just pointed | 21:43 |
| seb128 | Jason and Jay are on it | 21:43 |
| cyphermox | surely I missed something, but isn' t 683840 the same thing as well? | 21:44 |
| seb128 | charlie-tca, bug #683860 seems neither a cdimage bug not an useful description | 21:44 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683860 | 21:44 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, seems so yes | 21:44 |
| cyphermox | ah, so I'm not going crazy :) | 21:45 |
| seb128 | bug #682345 was the first open and is assigned | 21:45 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345 | 21:45 |
| seb128 | so better to comment on this one and dup the others | 21:45 |
| cyphermox | yep | 21:45 |
| charlie-tca | seb128, what about 683859 > | 21:45 |
| cyphermox | well, I have nothing useful to add than dup | 21:45 |
| vish | seb128: yea, hence when sarvatt mention it thought it might be the .desktop file.. | 21:45 |
| seb128 | charlie-tca, seems compiz is crashing? do you get apport to trigger? | 21:45 |
| charlie-tca | no | 21:45 |
| charlie-tca | apport does not trigger. It is the live environment, too. | 21:46 |
| seb128 | charlie-tca, can you switch to a vt and read .xsession-errors? | 21:46 |
| seb128 | or the system logs | 21:46 |
| charlie-tca | give me a minute | 21:46 |
| cjwatson | I'm moving #683860 over to Ubuntu, dup or not | 21:47 |
| cjwatson | fill in a package if you know better :-) | 21:47 |
| charlie-tca | it was filed for #683859, probably can be duped to it | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | or invalid it and be done with it | 21:48 |
| charlie-tca | slow boot here. I am trying to get to the crashed desktop | 21:49 |
| * mterry tries to boot back into livecd. brb | 21:50 | |
| charlie-tca | music plays, desktop is up, dock and panel disappeared | 21:50 |
| seb128 | what video card people having the crash issue use? | 21:51 |
| charlie-tca | Radeon 9800 with 128MB here | 21:51 |
| charlie-tca | seb128, big log | 21:51 |
| seb128 | is there any crash or error about unity or compiz? | 21:52 |
| charlie-tca | canbera-gtk-play | 21:52 |
| charlie-tca | compiz | 21:53 |
| charlie-tca | \Cannont connect to backend, is it busy? | 21:53 |
| cyphermox | seb128: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) here | 21:53 |
| charlie-tca | It is still adding to the log | 21:53 |
| seb128 | ok | 21:53 |
| seb128 | so it's not driver specific | 21:54 |
| cyphermox | nah | 21:54 |
| charlie-tca | lots of nm-applet | 21:54 |
| charlie-tca | glib-GObject-critical erros | 21:54 |
| charlie-tca | errors | 21:54 |
| cyphermox | yeah, sorry about that, still working on nm-applet :/ | 21:54 |
| charlie-tca | Do you want me to try and pull these for the bug report? | 21:55 |
| cyphermox | I think there was already a bug reported about it | 21:55 |
| charlie-tca | not nm-applet, the desktop won't work thing | 21:56 |
| cyphermox | ah | 21:56 |
| cyphermox | charlie-tca: do you have a file in /var/crash/ ? | 21:57 |
| charlie-tca | nope | 21:58 |
| mterry | I have one | 21:58 |
| cyphermox | mterry: did you ascertain whether it was the same as bug 682345? | 21:58 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 5) (dups: 4) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345 | 21:58 |
| charlie-tca | Do you want dmesg or syslog? | 21:58 |
| seb128 | mterry, it seems to be a crash when the .desktop for a launcher entry is missing | 21:59 |
| seb128 | mterry, Jason said he might an idea about the issue, I'm waiting for him to come back with details | 21:59 |
| seb128 | mterry, the default list has items which are missing from the default install | 21:59 |
| mterry | cyphermox, seb128: mine is the same as that bug, I marked it as affecting me | 21:59 |
| charlie-tca | xsession-errors log attached to bug 683859 | 21:59 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859 | 21:59 |
| mterry | seb128, understood | 21:59 |
| seb128 | mterry, hum | 22:00 |
| seb128 | mterry, is compiz crashing? | 22:00 |
| cyphermox | seb128: shouldn't it start to work once cheese is installed? | 22:00 |
| cyphermox | e.g. as the desktop file i guess would be there? | 22:00 |
| mterry | seb128, specifically ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop it looks like | 22:00 |
| cyphermox | d'oh | 22:00 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, seems ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop is missing | 22:00 |
| mterry | seb128, yeah, compiz is crashing | 22:01 |
| seb128 | well that's a new source and it was not NEWed before alpha1 | 22:01 |
| mterry | seb128, cheese isn't in my default list, but that ubuntuone thing is. | 22:01 |
| seb128 | ok, that's the issue | 22:01 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, ^ | 22:01 |
| mterry | Run "gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites" to see your favorites | 22:01 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, we have several way to go forward then | 22:02 |
| cyphermox | ah thanks mterry | 22:02 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, either get ubuntuone-control-panel NEWed and installed | 22:02 |
| seb128 | or change the default unity list | 22:02 |
| seb128 | or get the crash fixed | 22:02 |
| vish | guys try this : $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites "['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop']" | 22:03 |
| vish | it seems to fix the issue here.. | 22:03 |
| vish | it removes the examples.desktop.. | 22:03 |
| seb128 | hum | 22:04 |
| mterry | vish, that's interesting. I have the examples.desktop file. So you're saying the crash is not the missing file, but the examples one? | 22:04 |
| seb128 | that seems to be some corruption in the launcher | 22:04 |
| cyphermox | vish: right, that works | 22:04 |
| seb128 | it doesn't like the path rather than desktop name? | 22:04 |
| vish | mterry: yea.. i first removed the U1 , but dint help.. removing the examples worked.. | 22:04 |
| cyphermox | mterry: indeed, removed ubuntuone-... didn' t fix it here, but removing examples did | 22:04 |
| * vish re-adds U1 to make sure.. | 22:05 | |
| cyphermox | vish, yes, it works | 22:05 |
| cyphermox | compiz even mentions the favorites change | 22:06 |
| cjwatson | I'm OK with NEWing ubuntuone-control-panel if that's what the unity guys have been testing primarily? | 22:06 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, wait | 22:06 |
| cjwatson | though I assume this is still considered a unity launcher bug, if it's not robust in this way? | 22:06 |
| seb128 | that's for sure | 22:06 |
| seb128 | we are just not sure the crash will be fixed today | 22:06 |
| seb128 | so I was trying to suggest a workaround for the default install | 22:07 |
| cjwatson | understood | 22:07 |
| cjwatson | what am I waiting for? :) | 22:07 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, but previous comment make unclear if that's not the examples.desktop entry which is the issue | 22:07 |
| cjwatson | ok, what might be wrong with it? | 22:08 |
| cyphermox | trying to figure this out ;) | 22:08 |
| mterry | I can confirm that without the examples file, I can run compiz --replace | 22:08 |
| TheMuso | Booting the latest daily image/proposed alpha image of natty on an amd64 machine with a USB stick sees the nautilus desktop come up, but no panels/unity, I suspect a crash. Running a Radeon 4830/RV770 card on the machine in question. | 22:09 |
| UndiFineD | todays ubuntu i386 installs for me in virtualbox ose, but after that, there is no desktop shown at all, I cannot install physical atm | 22:09 |
| vish | someone update the topic :) | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | TheMuso, it doesn't actually crash | 22:10 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, could that unity doesn't like have a path rather than a desktop name | 22:10 |
| seb128 | having | 22:10 |
| mterry | seb128, OK, so 3 confirmations that the problem is the example file not the ubuntuone then | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | there is no crash files | 22:10 |
| TheMuso | charlie-tca: hrm ok | 22:10 |
| seb128 | mterry, do you know where the default launchers list is stored? | 22:10 |
| seb128 | mterry, I guess that one comes from the import code? | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | You are getting what I got | 22:10 |
| seb128 | like it's importing the desktop items from nautilus? | 22:10 |
| TheMuso | charlie-tca: Actually, I do have a compiz crash file. | 22:10 |
| charlie-tca | TheMuso, hmm, I can't get a crash file here | 22:11 |
| TheMuso | I have on in /var/crash | 22:11 |
| TheMuso | one | 22:11 |
| mterry | seb128, not sure yet | 22:11 |
| * TheMuso goes to boot it on the machine he is typing from. brb | 22:11 | |
| charlie-tca | whoa | 22:11 |
| charlie-tca | TheMuso, seb128 : a crash file finally showed up here | 22:12 |
| mterry | seb128, I have to catch a bus, I will be back online in ~1h | 22:12 |
| seb128 | mterry, ok, see you then if I'm not to bed yet | 22:12 |
| cyphermox | seb128: changing e.g. tomboy to be specified with a full path works | 22:13 |
| UndiFineD | I have errors on network manager | 22:14 |
| cjwatson | seb128: having a path where? | 22:15 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, ['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop', '/home/ubuntu/Desktop/examples.desktop'] | 22:16 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, that's the launcher list | 22:16 |
| cjwatson | oh. is casper setting that up? | 22:16 |
| seb128 | no, I think unity is being smart | 22:16 |
| cyphermox | seb128: this works though: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites "['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', '/usr/share/applications/tomboy.desktop' ]" | 22:16 |
| seb128 | it has code to import gnome-panel launchers and nautilus desktop icons | 22:16 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, so users get their config in the launcher when they try unity | 22:16 |
| seb128 | I think it's importing the desktop icon from the livecd | 22:17 |
| seb128 | not sure what it doesn't like yet though | 22:17 |
| seb128 | I first supposed it was the path but could be the .desktop itself | 22:17 |
| TheMuso | Ok same crash on this box. | 22:17 |
| seb128 | still investigating... | 22:17 |
| TheMuso | Also with a radeon card. | 22:17 |
| cyphermox | I've also been trying to remove stuff from the desktop file but it doesn' t seem to change anything so far | 22:18 |
| vish | TheMuso: try this : $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites "['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop']" | 22:18 |
| vish | TheMuso: that seems to fix the issue for some of us here | 22:19 |
| charlie-tca | um, the help center opened here | 22:19 |
| TheMuso | vish: Hrm ok I don't have it booted atm, and need to get through some email, but I'll take your word for it. :) | 22:21 |
| seb128 | ie examples.desktop setting an icon? | 22:23 |
| seb128 | ie -> is | 22:23 |
| cjwatson | yes, Icon=folder | 22:23 |
| charlie-tca | on the desktop, yes | 22:23 |
| cjwatson | http://paste.ubuntu.com/538831/ <- data/examples.desktop.in from example-content bzr | 22:23 |
| seb128 | sorry I'm on a maverick laptop atm | 22:24 |
| vish | yea... even if i remove examples has the icon on the desktop and the launcher | 22:24 |
| seb128 | so not the ideal setup to debug | 22:24 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, thanks | 22:24 |
| cjwatson | example-content hasn't changed from maverick->natty FWIW | 22:24 |
| seb128 | unity did ;-) | 22:25 |
| cjwatson | well, yes :) | 22:25 |
| seb128 | could someone having the issue test if replacing examples.desktop by another .desktop fix the bug? | 22:25 |
| charlie-tca | How do I do that? | 22:27 |
| cyphermox | seb128: trying | 22:27 |
| seb128 | cp /usr/share/applications/some.desktop examples.desktop | 22:28 |
| seb128 | otherwise lp:~canonical-dx-team/unity/unity.fix-682345 | 22:28 |
| seb128 | jay thinks that might fix it | 22:28 |
| cyphermox | yeah, another desktop file works | 22:29 |
| seb128 | if you can rebuild unity with it | 22:29 |
| TheMuso | yes I can also verify replacing examples.desktop with another makes unity work. | 22:30 |
| seb128 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/538835 | 22:30 |
| TheMuso | s/makes/allows/ | 22:30 |
| seb128 | ^ that's a possible fix to try | 22:30 |
| cyphermox | seb128: working on it on my live session, i need to get the deps first though | 22:31 |
| TheMuso | It also seems that compiz/unity crashes when I alt tab | 22:40 |
| * TheMuso checks to see whether mipmapping is enabled... | 22:40 | |
| TheMuso | Gah have to install ccsm | 22:41 |
| cyphermox | I can confirm Jay' s fix works | 22:42 |
| cyphermox | TheMuso: I don' t get a crash on alt-tab | 22:43 |
| TheMuso | Interesting. | 22:44 |
| TheMuso | cyphermox: What card? | 22:44 |
| TheMuso | are you using | 22:44 |
| cyphermox | Intel integrated i3 | 22:44 |
| TheMuso | ah ok, I am on Amd Radeon 4830/RV770LE | 22:45 |
| cyphermox | ok | 22:46 |
| RAOF | Yeah, that's an r600 bug. | 22:46 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, thanks | 22:46 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, lp:~canonical-dx-team/unity/unity.fix-682345 | 22:46 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, that fixes it | 22:47 |
| cyphermox | of course now there is no icon and no text, but compiz doesn' t crash :D | 22:47 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, I'm not on a bug where I can do packaging unfortunatly and didrocks is not around | 22:47 |
| cyphermox | seb128: if I can take the time to switch back, I could maybe update it | 22:47 |
| cyphermox | (switch back to non-live where I can package stuff) | 22:47 |
| seb128 | well you need sponsoring anywa | 22:48 |
| cyphermox | right | 22:48 |
| cyphermox | brb, getting back to install | 22:48 |
| TheMuso | RAOF: Ok good to know. | 22:49 |
| cjwatson | seb128: I can sponsor it, not that I can test it | 22:53 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, robert_ancell is on it | 22:54 |
| cjwatson | what bzr branch do you normally use for unity? | 22:54 |
| cjwatson | oh, ok, good | 22:54 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, cyphermox tested | 22:54 |
| seb128 | cjwatson, we will let #ubuntu-release know when it's uploaded | 22:54 |
| cjwatson | ok, great | 22:54 |
| UndiFineD | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/683790 | 22:55 |
| ubot4` | Launchpad bug 683790 in gdm (Ubuntu) "natty alpha gdm / unity does not start (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] | 22:55 |
| rickspencer3 | wow! | 23:04 |
| rickspencer3 | so, I step away for a bit, come back, and cjwatson, seb128, cyphermox, vish, charlie-tca, mterry got everything fixed | 23:05 |
| rickspencer3 | there is a lesson for me here, I guess! | 23:05 |
| charlie-tca | Thank you. I just sat here | 23:05 |
| seb128 | rickspencer3, lol | 23:05 |
| rickspencer3 | charlie-tca, don't be so modest! | 23:05 |
| rickspencer3 | you found and drove the issue | 23:05 |
| charlie-tca | seb128, will the two new bugs go as dups of the fixed bug? | 23:05 |
| rickspencer3 | that was huge, we're all really grateful for your stick-to-it-iveness | 23:05 |
| rickspencer3 | well, thanks to all of this, (assuming the fix works .. | 23:06 |
| * rickspencer3 knocks wood | 23:06 | |
| rickspencer3 | this is going to be a really killer Alpha 1 for the desktop | 23:06 |
| charlie-tca | rickspencer3, It is those other people that actually have to work hard. I just tell people it broke | 23:06 |
| seb128 | charlie-tca, we will clean bugs tomorrow | 23:11 |
| seb128 | charlie-tca, the bug don't have enough details to be sure it's the same issue | 23:12 |
| cjwatson | hm, if I'd been extra-special clever I'd have stopped the publisher in preparation for this | 23:12 |
| cjwatson | oh well | 23:12 |
| seb128 | would be better to ask people to retry after the update | 23:12 |
| charlie-tca | okay | 23:13 |
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