[00:09] <charlie-tca> been a while since I installed edubuntu.
[00:10] <fader_> It boots really, really fast though
[00:10] <fader_> :)
[00:19] <stgraber> fader_: and Ubuntu worked fine on that same hardware ?
[00:19] <stgraber> (we don't do anything fancy with the gnome session, so it should be pretty much identical to ubuntu's)
[00:19] <stgraber> my current guess is that the session tried to start unity and failed, that results in exactly what you described
[00:20] <stgraber> as in, no gnome-panel because it's a unity desktop and just nautilus because compiz crashed
[00:21] <stgraber> though that's hardware dependent, not distro/desktop dependent so if on that box you only have the issue with edubuntu, then it's very weird
[00:24] <fader_> stgraber: Ubuntu live session did bring up the panel (though it tried to go to unity and failed first)
[00:24] <fader_> I'll test it again in a moment to be sure
[00:24] <fader_> Maybe it's a DVD thing
[00:27] <fader_> stgraber: On the other hand I seem to always manage to have bugs that nobody else can reproduce :P
[00:27] <fader_> Ask cjwatson what I did to him right before the maverick release :P
[00:28] <charlie-tca> +1 for fader_ having stranger issues than other people
[00:28] <fader_> charlie-tca: Hey, leave my personal life out of this :P
[00:29] <charlie-tca> fader_, did you try choosing classic session?
[00:29]  * charlie-tca couldn't resist
[00:29] <fader_> charlie-tca: On the Ubuntu CD yes
[00:29] <charlie-tca> On edubuntu?
[00:29] <fader_> On edubuntu it should be the default I think
[00:29] <fader_> But happily I still have that VM lying around, hang on :)
[00:30] <charlie-tca> sounds like it defaults to unity
[00:30] <fader_> charlie-tca: Good call!
[00:31] <charlie-tca> Unity doesn't havee fallback until alpha2
[00:32] <fader_> Er, this is weird though -- both the 'desktop' and 'classic' sessions exec the same thing
[00:32] <stgraber> fader_: Edubuntu ships with unity
[00:32] <fader_> Exec=gnome-session
[00:32] <charlie-tca> crap
[00:32] <charlie-tca> I can't reproduce my but
[00:33] <fader_> stgraber: Hmm, it's still listed as an option in the installer
[00:33] <charlie-tca> s/but/bug
[00:33] <stgraber> fader_: yeah, I didn't update the installer :)
[00:33] <fader_> charlie-tca: The encrypted install worked this time?
[00:33] <fader_> stgraber: Hah!  You are trying to trick me!
[00:33] <charlie-tca> lol
[00:33]  * fader_ goes to mark his bug as invalid.
[00:34] <charlie-tca> Guess I will try it one more time to make sure
[00:34] <charlie-tca> I put the ati card back in. Maybe I just caught it between updates somehow
[00:35] <charlie-tca> It worked perfect this time
[00:37] <fader_> charlie-tca: It's probably my fault... I jinxed you
[00:38] <charlie-tca> Seems so :-)
[00:38] <charlie-tca> I can always reproduce my bugs
[00:42] <charlie-tca> Running the encrypted install again ;-)
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Got to be possible I just have really bad timing today
[00:51] <charlie-tca> Hello, cprofitt
[00:51] <charlie-tca> testing is happening
[00:51] <cprofitt> hey charlie-tca
[00:51] <cprofitt> I saw...
[00:51] <cprofitt> I have to get that started...
[00:52] <cprofitt> tomorrow night is my target
[00:52] <cprofitt> tonight is not a good night
[00:52] <charlie-tca> you can say that again
[00:52] <charlie-tca> I got a major fail the first test, and can't seem to reproduce
[00:53] <charlie-tca> but, it is fader_ 's fault ;-)
[00:54] <fader_> Think of how much faster ISO testing would go if I'd stop doing it :)
[00:54] <cprofitt> lol
[00:54] <cprofitt> I am watching the three kids -- wife is out... and feel sick to my stomach
[00:54] <cprofitt> iso testing... likely not good tonight
[00:54] <cprofitt> despite fader_
[00:55] <fader_> cprofitt: :P
[00:55] <fader_> I hope you feel better though :/
[00:55]  * fader_ is canning turkey stock while ISO testing.
[00:55] <charlie-tca> cprofitt, might be done already if fader_ would not make these issues happen
[00:55] <fader_> Hehe
[00:58] <charlie-tca> cprofitt, sorry to hear you are ill tonight
[01:08] <cprofitt> no big deal charlie-tca
[01:08] <cprofitt> turkey stock... a skill I desire to learn by next year
[01:10] <fader_> cprofitt: It's more or less: 1) eat turkey   2) throw turkey bones in pot of water   3) boil forever
[01:10] <fader_> :)
[01:11] <fader_> It makes awesome soup
[01:11] <cprofitt> it does....
[01:11] <charlie-tca> You don't throw salt and pepper in?
[01:11] <cprofitt> I did what you said last year and it smelled terrible
[01:14] <fader_> Hehe
[01:14] <fader_> Well, there are other things in it too.  Vegetables, salt, pepper, etc.
[01:15] <fader_> To be honest, my Significant Other makes the stock and I can it.
[01:15] <fader_> So don't trust my recipe too much ;)
[01:15] <charlie-tca> Yeah, that's it
[01:15] <charlie-tca> carrots, maybe celery, salt, pepper, gallons of water
[01:16] <charlie-tca> boil the crap out of it with the cover on
[01:17] <charlie-tca> If the turkey was wrong, it stinks, I think :-)
[01:17] <fader_> I believe there were onions in this as well.  At least, it looked like there were onions when I was picking the meat off the carcass afterward.
[01:17] <charlie-tca> sounds right
[01:18] <charlie-tca> I used to watch my mother do it
[01:18] <fader_> That's the best part, BTW -- you can carve everything off the turkey, then when you've boiled it you get like another pound of meat
[01:18] <fader_> It's like magic
[01:18] <charlie-tca> lol
[01:40] <fader_> Hmm, looks like the ISO tracker asplode
[01:43] <stgraber> DC exploded apparently
[01:44] <stgraber> launchpad is down too
[01:44] <fader_> Oh man, that's not good
[01:44] <stgraber> ubuntu.com is still alive but canonical.com is dead
[01:45] <tgm4883> stgraber, canonical.com works for me?
[01:45] <fader_> Yeah, #launchpad has "Launchpad down due to data centre issues, more soon" in the topic
[01:45] <stgraber> 02:38 -!- charlieS changed the topic of #canonical-sysadmin to: Known issues: One datacenter is unreachable currently. || Vanguard: squinky || RT: https://rt.ubuntu.com/  (uname/pword ubuntu/ubuntu) || Although we idle here, please mail requests to mailto:rt@ubuntu.com
[01:46] <fader_> And mwhudson says "believe me, people are out of bed and in taxis in london as we type"
[01:46] <fader_> I believe my bad luck is expanding
[01:49] <stgraber> good thing, archive.ubuntu.com isn't affected :) could be worse
[01:49] <fader_> No way, this is a disaster -- both iso.qa.ubuntu.com *and* hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com are down!
[01:49] <fader_> :P
[01:50] <stgraber> fader_: just go and read www.edubuntu.org ;) we're in the right DC apparently :)
[01:50] <fader_> Hehe
[01:50] <fader_> stgraber: I thought you lived in the DC with edubuntu.org ;)
[02:04] <charlie-tca> Well, at least we can test what we have...
[02:05] <fader_> As long as you don't need to report any bugs ;)
[02:05] <stgraber> cdimage works here
[02:05] <charlie-tca> hm, or try to cancel I did report?
[02:07] <charlie-tca> does that read wrong to you, too? It looks like I really can't use english tonight?
[02:08] <fader_> charlie-tca: Yeah, I have no idea what that meant
[02:08] <fader_> I know all the words but I don't think they work in that order
[02:08] <charlie-tca> Well, good. It isn't just me then :-)
[02:09] <fader_> :)
[02:18] <skaet_> charlie-tca, fader_  just heard that IS is aware of the datacenter problem, and is working on it.   fingers crossed, it gets figured out soon.
[02:19] <fader_> skaet_: Thanks :)  I've been trying not to bug anyone since it was in the topic in #launchpad
[02:20] <charlie-tca> Thank you , skaet_
[02:21] <charlie-tca> well, skaet_, fader_ that bug on the encrypted install is invalid, but with everything down, I can not mark it in launchpad.
[02:21] <stgraber> looks like we're back online
[02:21] <charlie-tca> I can not reproduce it
[02:21] <fader_> \o/
[02:21] <stgraber> iso.qa.ubuntu.com works from here
[02:22] <charlie-tca> Changed in the iso tracker, but can't mark it in launchpad.
[02:25] <fader_> Yeah, lp still seems to be down
[02:25] <fader_> But my guess is it will be up shortly
[02:25] <skaet_> :)  glad we're back in tracking mode in iso tracker at least.... keeping fingers crossed lp comes up soon.    Elmo is in the building in London.
[02:25] <fader_> Oh man, poor elmo
[02:25] <skaet_> indeed.
[02:26] <fader_> I'm glad I'm on the other side of the room right now... my poor ears would probably melt
[02:26] <fader_> :)
[02:27] <fader_> lp seems to be up too
[02:27] <skaet_> *\o/*
[02:28] <charlie-tca> skaet_, I will run the 386 desktop images tomorrow. I seem to have a good working setup on hardware now
[02:29] <skaet_> charlie-tca, thanks.  :)   am probably going to call it a night myself now.
[02:30] <fader_> charlie-tca, skaet_: G'night!
[02:30] <charlie-tca> Good night
[02:57]  * fader_ is also calling it a night... ciao folks
[07:54] <ara> good morning
[08:17]  * ara syncs kubuntu desktop i386
[08:35] <sulumar> Greetings
[08:36] <jibel> Hi sulumar
[08:40] <sulumar> that alpha iso seems to be corrupted. ill try something else
[11:36] <Shakib> hi
[11:37] <Shakib> someone here?
[13:18] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[13:21] <pedro_> morning charlie-tca
[13:22] <charlie-tca> still going
[13:22] <charlie-tca> Is the ISO tracker going to get updated with the new image date?
[13:22] <jibel> Good morning charlie-tca
[13:23] <charlie-tca> another day, another...
[17:15] <charlie-tca> Meeting in #ubuntu-quality now
[17:57] <skaet_> jibel, charlie-tca - new desktop for ubuntu has been uploaded now with WUBI and the 2D fix.  others emerging in through the afternoon.
[17:58] <charlie-tca> syncing now
[18:13] <pedro_> FYI: the 2D fix works fine here
[18:16] <kamusin> cool
[18:40] <Curly_Q> Anyone here familiar with Aptosid Linux?
[18:43] <Curly_Q> If you are not familiar with it it is here: http://www.aptosid.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=396
[18:44] <Curly_Q> I was looking for any comments on it.
[18:44] <charlie-tca> Has it got anything to do with testing Ubuntu?
[18:44] <Curly_Q> It is Linux related. Are you familiar with it?
[18:45] <charlie-tca> This channel is for testing of Ubuntu, not offtopic discussions. Might want to try in #ubuntu-offtopic
[18:45] <Curly_Q> If you don't know just say so. I don't mind. It doesn't hurt to ask a question.
[18:46] <charlie-tca> the discussion in not appropriate here
[18:46] <Curly_Q> OK I see. So you are puffed up with your channel topics.
[18:47] <Curly_Q> Get a live my friend.
[18:47] <Curly_Q> Get a life.
[19:01] <pacchi> man
[19:01] <pacchi> date
[19:02] <pacchi> flag a
[19:03] <highvoltage> is it essential to test upgrades for the alpha release?
[19:04] <highvoltage> (oh, nm :) )
[19:20] <skaet_> pedro_, thanks for checking it out.   good to know it won't need documenting then.
[19:45] <charlie-tca> um, anybody testing Ubuntu desktop on hardware?
[19:46] <charlie-tca> pedro_, was that on hardware?
[19:47] <pedro_> charlie-tca, no, it was  on a VM
[19:48] <pedro_> so no 3d support
[19:48] <charlie-tca> okay
[19:50] <charlie-tca> We need somebody to verify the live cd works on 3d hardware. Mine is losing the panel and dock on logging in
[19:51] <charlie-tca> burning a new dvd to try again
[19:58] <charlie-tca> skaet_, I am losing the dock and panel running the desktop cd on hardware. Also, shortcuts will not work at all.
[19:58] <charlie-tca> Got a blank desktop and no way to quit
[19:58] <skaet_> :(
[19:59] <charlie-tca> looks to me like adding 2d fallback broke it completely on 3d hardware
[19:59] <skaet_> not good.
[20:00]  * skaet_ off to go find some folk to help.
[20:25] <skaet_> charlie-tca, jasoncwarner is going to ask robert_ancell to look into it when he comes online.   Looks like we've missed seb128 and didrocks :(
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Okay
[20:25] <charlie-tca> Can you kick the iso tracker? Xubuntu desktop images are out again
[20:25] <charlie-tca> well, are done rebuilding, I mean.
[20:31] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: I imagine bug 672699 is a regression right?
[20:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 672699 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "screen-reader does not work (affects: 1) (heat: 196)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672699
[20:34] <charlie-tca> bdmurray, I don't actually know. That is the alternate image, and I don't know if it ever worked
[20:35] <bdmurray> charlie-tca: okay, thanks
[20:35] <charlie-tca> It was kind of a placeholder, so we would try and get it working for natty
[20:41] <skaet_> charlie-tca, is there a bug number for the 2d fallback breaking 3d?  or should just reopen the 2d one?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> I did not file one, I was hoping someone could verify it first.
[20:43] <charlie-tca> I guess we can reopen the 2d bug. I can't really get anything off this since I can't use any shortcut keys
[20:44] <rickspencer3> hi all
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Am I really the one with hardware to test with?
[20:46] <charlie-tca> Hello, rickspencer3
[20:46] <skaet_> hi rickspencer3
[20:46] <rickspencer3> I'd like to understand what's up with the 2d/3d fallback thing
[20:46] <rickspencer3> and help get it unstuck asap
[20:47] <rickspencer3> 1. is there a bug #?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> I can not get it work in a live environment on real hardware now
[20:47] <rickspencer3> 2. if not, what are the symptoms and could someone please log a bug so we can track
[20:47] <charlie-tca> As soon as the desktop comes up, the dock and panel disappear
[20:47] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, if I dist-upgrade right now and restart, should I see the same problem?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> no
[20:48] <charlie-tca> It is the new images today
[20:48] <charlie-tca> It is a fresh install using the latest desktop cd. When I go to Try Ubuntu, it fails as soon as the desktop comes up
[20:49] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, but would I not see the system if I simply update?
[20:49] <charlie-tca> I haven't even tried the install with the latest image
[20:49] <rickspencer3> I am on Natty
[20:49] <charlie-tca> rickspencer3, I don't know if it will show up on an upgrade. I am seeing it on the live desktop, not an installed desktop
[20:50] <rickspencer3> I see
[20:50] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, I'll start by creating a live image here, and see if I repro it
[20:50] <charlie-tca> It worked earlier today. The image was changed to allow 2d fallback to work
[20:50] <rickspencer3> can you link me to the specific image?
[20:51] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I am using the 386 image
[20:51] <charlie-tca> specifically: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso
[20:53] <charlie-tca> I have another image running right now. As soon as it is done, I will file the bug and try to pull the live cd logs
[20:55] <rickspencer3> can someone please log a bug!
[20:55] <rickspencer3> marjo ^?
[20:55] <marjo> rickspencer3: will do
[20:55] <charlie-tca> I can file it. I just can't pull the logs yet
[20:56] <rickspencer3> dang it
[20:57] <rickspencer3> my downlink is going at 200KB, so this is going to take like an hour to download
[20:57] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, shall I see if it effects my on a dist-upgrade?
[20:57] <charlie-tca> I think it is the image itself
[20:58] <rickspencer3> interesting
[20:59] <rickspencer3> skaet_, if it's the image itself, then maybe after we get a bug number, we can ask cjwatson to look at it
[21:03] <mterry> Should I be testing http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20101201.1/ ?
[21:03] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca,  skaet_, I asked some folks in #ubuntu-desktop to try the image as well
[21:03] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, ^ ?
[21:03] <rickspencer3> mterry, he previously pointed right to current: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso
[21:03] <charlie-tca> great
[21:03] <mterry> OK
[21:03] <vish> hi, so i downloaded today's image, and unity doesnt run.. it just loads for a couple of secs and crashes  … when i logged into a classic session i got the compiz crash and logged Bug 683840
[21:03] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683840 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() (affects: 3) (dups: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683840
[21:03] <charlie-tca> bug 683859
[21:04] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859
[21:05] <charlie-tca> thank you, vish. Is that the 20101201.1 image?
[21:05] <vish> charlie-tca: thats the same bug as i mentioned.. :)
[21:05] <skaet_> mterry, vish,  earlier images was 20101201;  image in current right now is in 20101201.1
[21:05] <charlie-tca> rickspencer3, ^ ^ verified
[21:05] <marjo> skaet, charlie-tca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/683860
[21:05] <rickspencer3> yup
[21:05] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New]
[21:05] <rickspencer3> vish, are you able to find out what, specifically, is crashing?
[21:06] <vish> charlie-tca: image is 20101201 and then i updated again..
[21:06] <charlie-tca> well, now we got two bugs for it.
[21:06] <vish> so fully updated live usb..
[21:06] <marjo> charlie-tca: i just subscribed you to it
[21:06] <vish> charlie-tca: its the same symptom as you describe in your bug..
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Want me to dup bug 683859 to it?
[21:06] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859
[21:07] <marjo> charlie-tca: i suggest not; let's let cjwatson do the duping
[21:07] <vish> charlie-tca: either way, i think the apport one has the traces..
[21:08] <charlie-tca> marjo, can't get an apport trace
[21:08] <marjo> charlie-tca: ack
[21:08] <charlie-tca> I can't get a terminal in the live cd. Shortcuts are broken too
[21:08] <rickspencer3> is anyone from dx/compiz around to look at this crasher?
[21:09] <charlie-tca> I will attempt to ssh the logs
[21:11] <charlie-tca> burning another dvd, will do what I can to pull logs
[21:11] <vish> charlie-tca: are you able to switch to classic session?
[21:11] <charlie-tca> I can't log out
[21:11] <charlie-tca> No
[21:11] <vish> charlie-tca: try Sys+Alt+k
[21:11] <vish> thats what i do.. and then i switch to the classic one..
[21:12] <charlie-tca> Used to be able to use terminal, but ctrl+alt+t is broken too
[21:12] <vish> yea, terminal does not open
[21:12]  * charlie-tca is really glad it isn't just him
[21:13] <charlie-tca> give me a minute. burn this dvd and boot it
[21:15] <cyphermox> rickspencer3, I'm zsyncing the amd64 image now to test
[21:15] <rickspencer3> thanks cyphermox
[21:16] <cyphermox> unless it's just on i386?
[21:16] <vish> rickspencer3: afaik, it's compiz crashing here.. well atleast thats what apport keeps reporting when i get to the classic session.
[21:17] <rickspencer3> vish, right, assuming that's the issue
[21:17] <cyphermox> hmm... oops, downloading too fast :/
[21:24] <mterry> rickspencer3, I'm in a live session, and unity doesn't come up at all...  I get nautilus but no unity.  Is this the bug you mentioned?
[21:25] <rickspencer3> mterry, prolly
[21:25] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, ^
[21:25] <rickspencer3> mterry, any chance you could look at what is going on specifically?
[21:25] <vish> mterry: how are you getting nautilus? from the examples folder?
[21:26] <mterry> vish, it draws my background
[21:29] <mterry> rickspencer3, I'm looking around
[21:29] <rickspencer3> thanks mterry
[21:29] <rickspencer3> I think we'd all like to know the root cause asap
[21:29] <vish> mterry: yea, background is there with the folders..
[21:29] <rickspencer3> vish, thanks to you for your help getting to this as well
[21:29] <vish> np..
[21:29]  * rickspencer3 steps away
[21:29] <mterry> I can run compiz, but unity doesn't come up
[21:29] <jasoncwarner> mterry: is there a crash report or anything?
[21:29] <mterry> jasoncwarner, no.  And as far as I can see, compiz isn't actually crashed.  I don't know how it was when I first logged in, but I ran compiz manually from a terminal and unity still didn't come up, even though compiz is running fine
[21:29] <jasoncwarner> mterry: hmm..ok...
[21:29] <mterry> jasoncwarner, are there compiz/DX folks around?
[21:29] <jasoncwarner> mterry: looking now
[21:29] <charlie-tca> yes, exactly
[21:29] <charlie-tca> It draws the background, then the dock and top panel, then it takes the panel and dock away
[21:29] <charlie-tca> Maybe my system is slow enough to see it happen?
[21:29] <charlie-tca> end result is the wallpaper, no shortcuts working and no way to test anything
[21:30] <mterry> charlie-tca, interesting.  I didn't notice it come up, but I might have just blinked
[21:32] <mterry> charlie-tca, I did see that today on my natty laptop, where unity came, went, but in my laptop's case, it came again and stayed
[21:32] <vish> charlie-tca: oh! I'm on an AOA as well, so might be why we are noticing unity appear and then go away..
[21:32] <vish> when unity loads i only see the switcher and the trash icon on the dock
[21:32] <mterry> When I run compiz from a terminal, the unityshell plugin is not among those it lists as initialized during startup
[21:32] <seb128> hey
[21:32] <vish> even the app menu loads but then gone..
[21:32] <mterry> seb128, hihi
[21:32] <seb128> how are things going there?
[21:32] <mterry> seb128, trying to get to bottom of things still
[21:32] <seb128> what is the issue?
[21:33] <mterry> vish, charlie-tca: I think I may have different issue from you, as unityshell doesn't even attempt to load in my case.  Sounds like it loads for you two and then dies
[21:33] <mterry> seb128, ^ basically
[21:33] <seb128> hum
[21:33] <cyphermox> ugh, it' s really inconvenient to have compiz segfault like that :/
[21:33] <seb128> mterry, several people having the issue?
[21:33] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[21:34] <cyphermox> seb128: got it too ;)
[21:34] <seb128> cyphermox, stacktrace?
[21:34] <mterry> seb128, a few
[21:34] <cyphermox> hold on, just managed to log in to IRC with emathy :0
[21:34] <seb128> what issue exactly?
[21:34] <vish> seb128: well there are a few dups.. Bug 683840
[21:34] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683840 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() (affects: 3) (dups: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683840
[21:35] <vish>  <Sarvatt> vish: ohh so it looks like its just expecting cheese to be installed but it isnt on the livecd?
[21:35] <vish> charlie-tca: ^ is cheese there ?
[21:35] <charlie-tca> I am just a hair gunshy after not being able to reproduce my bug from yesterday
[21:35] <charlie-tca> This was working before the change to add 2d fallback today
[21:35] <mterry> vish, I don't have cheese installed in the live cd
[21:35] <cyphermox> vish: cheese isn' t there
[21:36] <seb128> it's not supposed to be
[21:36] <charlie-tca> vish, I seem to have been lost for a few minutes, I have to read two full screens now to catch up
[21:37] <charlie-tca> yes, vish. This is accurate
 when unity loads i only see the switcher and the trash icon on the dock
[21:38] <charlie-tca> seb128, also bug 683860
[21:38] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683860
[21:39] <seb128> seems you guys are mixing different issues
[21:40] <seb128> it doesn't make easy to track what's going on
[21:40] <charlie-tca> yup, I think you are right. also bug 683859
[21:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859
[21:41] <seb128> vish, your bug seems a duplicate of bug #682345
[21:41] <cyphermox> seb128: fwiw, I seem to get the same stack trace in gdb for compiz crashing
[21:41] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345
[21:41] <seb128> cyphermox, which one?
[21:41] <cyphermox> huh, hard to tell now
[21:42] <cyphermox> #0  0x00007fffe6178cd0 in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const ()
[21:42] <cyphermox>    from /usr/lib/libnux-graphics-0.9.so.0, like so many others :/
[21:43] <seb128> ok, same bug that I just pointed
[21:43] <seb128> Jason and Jay are on it
[21:44] <cyphermox> surely I missed something, but isn' t 683840 the same thing as well?
[21:44] <seb128> charlie-tca, bug #683860 seems neither a cdimage bug not an useful description
[21:44] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683860
[21:44] <seb128> cyphermox, seems so yes
[21:45] <cyphermox> ah, so I'm not going crazy :)
[21:45] <seb128> bug #682345 was the first open and is assigned
[21:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345
[21:45] <seb128> so better to comment on this one and dup the others
[21:45] <cyphermox> yep
[21:45] <charlie-tca> seb128, what about 683859 >
[21:45] <cyphermox> well, I have nothing useful to add than dup
[21:45] <vish> seb128: yea, hence when sarvatt mention it thought it might be the .desktop file..
[21:45] <seb128> charlie-tca, seems compiz is crashing? do you get apport to trigger?
[21:45] <charlie-tca> no
[21:46] <charlie-tca> apport does not trigger. It is the live environment, too.
[21:46] <seb128> charlie-tca, can you switch to a vt and read .xsession-errors?
[21:46] <seb128> or the system logs
[21:46] <charlie-tca> give me a minute
[21:47] <cjwatson> I'm moving #683860 over to Ubuntu, dup or not
[21:47] <cjwatson> fill in a package if you know better :-)
[21:48] <charlie-tca> it was filed for #683859, probably can be duped to it
[21:48] <charlie-tca> or invalid it and be done with it
[21:49] <charlie-tca> slow boot here. I am trying to get to the crashed desktop
[21:50]  * mterry tries to boot back into livecd.  brb
[21:50] <charlie-tca> music plays, desktop is up, dock and panel disappeared
[21:51] <seb128> what video card people having the crash issue use?
[21:51] <charlie-tca> Radeon 9800 with 128MB here
[21:51] <charlie-tca> seb128, big log
[21:52] <seb128> is there any crash or error about unity or compiz?
[21:52] <charlie-tca> canbera-gtk-play
[21:53] <charlie-tca> compiz
[21:53] <charlie-tca> \Cannont connect to backend, is it busy?
[21:53] <cyphermox> seb128: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) here
[21:53] <charlie-tca> It is still adding to the log
[21:53] <seb128> ok
[21:54] <seb128> so it's not driver specific
[21:54] <cyphermox> nah
[21:54] <charlie-tca> lots of nm-applet
[21:54] <charlie-tca> glib-GObject-critical erros
[21:54] <charlie-tca> errors
[21:54] <cyphermox> yeah, sorry about that, still working on nm-applet :/
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Do you want me to try and pull these for the bug report?
[21:55] <cyphermox> I think there was already a bug reported about it
[21:56] <charlie-tca> not nm-applet, the desktop won't work thing
[21:56] <cyphermox> ah
[21:57] <cyphermox> charlie-tca: do you have a file in /var/crash/ ?
[21:58] <charlie-tca> nope
[21:58] <mterry> I have one
[21:58] <cyphermox> mterry: did you ascertain whether it was the same as bug 682345?
[21:58] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 5) (dups: 4) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345
[21:58] <charlie-tca> Do you want dmesg or syslog?
[21:59] <seb128> mterry, it seems to be a crash when the .desktop for a launcher entry is missing
[21:59] <seb128> mterry, Jason said he might an idea about the issue, I'm waiting for him to come back with details
[21:59] <seb128> mterry, the default list has items which are missing from the default install
[21:59] <mterry> cyphermox, seb128: mine is the same as that bug, I marked it as affecting me
[21:59] <charlie-tca> xsession-errors log attached to bug 683859
[21:59] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859
[21:59] <mterry> seb128, understood
[22:00] <seb128> mterry, hum
[22:00] <seb128> mterry, is compiz crashing?
[22:00] <cyphermox> seb128: shouldn't it start to work once cheese is installed?
[22:00] <cyphermox> e.g. as the desktop file i guess would be there?
[22:00] <mterry> seb128, specifically ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop it looks like
[22:00] <cyphermox> d'oh
[22:00] <seb128> cyphermox, seems ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop is missing
[22:01] <mterry> seb128, yeah, compiz is crashing
[22:01] <seb128> well that's a new source and it was not NEWed before alpha1
[22:01] <mterry> seb128, cheese isn't in my default list, but that ubuntuone thing is.
[22:01] <seb128> ok, that's the issue
[22:01] <seb128> cjwatson, ^
[22:01] <mterry> Run "gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites" to see your favorites
[22:02] <seb128> cjwatson, we have several way to go forward then
[22:02] <cyphermox> ah thanks mterry
[22:02] <seb128> cjwatson, either get ubuntuone-control-panel NEWed and installed
[22:02] <seb128> or change the default unity list
[22:02] <seb128> or get the crash fixed
[22:03] <vish> guys try this : $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites "['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop']"
[22:03] <vish> it seems to fix the issue here..
[22:03] <vish> it removes the examples.desktop..
[22:04] <seb128> hum
[22:04] <mterry> vish, that's interesting.  I have the examples.desktop file.  So you're saying the crash is not the missing file, but the examples one?
[22:04] <seb128> that seems to be some corruption in the launcher
[22:04] <cyphermox> vish: right, that works
[22:04] <seb128> it doesn't like the path rather than desktop name?
[22:04] <vish> mterry: yea.. i first removed the U1 , but dint help.. removing the examples worked..
[22:04] <cyphermox> mterry: indeed, removed ubuntuone-... didn' t fix it here, but removing examples did
[22:05]  * vish re-adds U1 to make sure..
[22:05] <cyphermox> vish, yes, it works
[22:06] <cyphermox> compiz even mentions the favorites change
[22:06] <cjwatson> I'm OK with NEWing ubuntuone-control-panel if that's what the unity guys have been testing primarily?
[22:06] <seb128> cjwatson, wait
[22:06] <cjwatson> though I assume this is still considered a unity launcher bug, if it's not robust in this way?
[22:06] <seb128> that's for sure
[22:06] <seb128> we are just not sure the crash will be fixed today
[22:07] <seb128> so I was trying to suggest a workaround for the default install
[22:07] <cjwatson> understood
[22:07] <cjwatson> what am I waiting for? :)
[22:07] <seb128> cjwatson, but previous comment make unclear if that's not the examples.desktop entry which is the issue
[22:08] <cjwatson> ok, what might be wrong with it?
[22:08] <cyphermox> trying to figure this out ;)
[22:08] <mterry> I can confirm that without the examples file, I can run compiz --replace
[22:09] <TheMuso> Booting the latest daily image/proposed alpha image of natty on an amd64 machine with a USB stick sees the nautilus desktop come up, but no panels/unity, I suspect a crash. Running a Radeon 4830/RV770 card on the machine in question.
[22:09] <UndiFineD> todays ubuntu i386 installs for me in virtualbox ose, but after that, there is no desktop shown at all, I cannot install physical atm
[22:10] <vish> someone update the topic :)
[22:10] <charlie-tca> TheMuso, it doesn't actually crash
[22:10] <seb128> cjwatson, could that unity doesn't like have a path rather than a desktop name
[22:10] <seb128> having
[22:10] <mterry> seb128, OK, so 3 confirmations that the problem is the example file not the ubuntuone then
[22:10] <charlie-tca> there is no crash files
[22:10] <TheMuso> charlie-tca: hrm ok
[22:10] <seb128> mterry, do you know where the default launchers list is stored?
[22:10] <seb128> mterry, I guess that one comes from the import code?
[22:10] <charlie-tca> You are getting what I got
[22:10] <seb128> like it's importing the desktop items from nautilus?
[22:10] <TheMuso> charlie-tca: Actually, I do have a compiz crash file.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> TheMuso, hmm, I can't get a crash file here
[22:11] <TheMuso> I have on in /var/crash
[22:11] <TheMuso> one
[22:11] <mterry> seb128, not sure yet
[22:11]  * TheMuso goes to boot it on the machine he is typing from. brb
[22:11] <charlie-tca> whoa
[22:12] <charlie-tca> TheMuso, seb128 : a crash file finally showed up here
[22:12] <mterry> seb128, I have to catch a bus, I will be back online in ~1h
[22:12] <seb128> mterry, ok, see you then if I'm not to bed yet
[22:13] <cyphermox> seb128: changing e.g. tomboy to be specified with a full path works
[22:14] <UndiFineD> I have errors on network manager
[22:15] <cjwatson> seb128: having a path where?
[22:16] <seb128> cjwatson, ['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop', '/home/ubuntu/Desktop/examples.desktop']
[22:16] <seb128> cjwatson, that's the launcher list
[22:16] <cjwatson> oh.  is casper setting that up?
[22:16] <seb128> no, I think unity is being smart
[22:16] <cyphermox> seb128: this works though: gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites "['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', '/usr/share/applications/tomboy.desktop' ]"
[22:16] <seb128> it has code to import gnome-panel launchers and nautilus desktop icons
[22:16] <seb128> cjwatson, so users get their config in the launcher when they try unity
[22:17] <seb128> I think it's importing the desktop icon from the livecd
[22:17] <seb128> not sure what it doesn't like yet though
[22:17] <seb128> I first supposed it was the path but could be the .desktop itself
[22:17] <TheMuso> Ok same crash on this box.
[22:17] <seb128> still investigating...
[22:17] <TheMuso> Also with a radeon card.
[22:18] <cyphermox> I've also been trying to remove stuff from the desktop file but it doesn' t seem to change anything so far
[22:18] <vish> TheMuso: try this : $ gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites "['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop']"
[22:19] <vish> TheMuso: that seems to fix the issue for some of us here
[22:19] <charlie-tca> um, the help center opened here
[22:21] <TheMuso> vish: Hrm ok I don't have it booted atm, and need to get through some email, but I'll take your word for it. :)
[22:23] <seb128> ie examples.desktop setting an icon?
[22:23] <seb128> ie -> is
[22:23] <cjwatson> yes, Icon=folder
[22:23] <charlie-tca> on the desktop, yes
[22:23] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538831/ <- data/examples.desktop.in from example-content bzr
[22:24] <seb128> sorry I'm on a maverick laptop atm
[22:24] <vish>  yea... even if i remove examples has the icon on the desktop and the launcher
[22:24] <seb128> so not the ideal setup to debug
[22:24] <seb128> cjwatson, thanks
[22:24] <cjwatson> example-content hasn't changed from maverick->natty FWIW
[22:25] <seb128> unity did ;-)
[22:25] <cjwatson> well, yes :)
[22:25] <seb128> could someone having the issue test if replacing examples.desktop by another .desktop fix the bug?
[22:27] <charlie-tca> How do I do that?
[22:27] <cyphermox> seb128: trying
[22:28] <seb128> cp /usr/share/applications/some.desktop examples.desktop
[22:28] <seb128> otherwise lp:~canonical-dx-team/unity/unity.fix-682345
[22:28] <seb128> jay thinks that might fix it
[22:29] <cyphermox> yeah, another desktop file works
[22:29] <seb128> if you can rebuild unity with it
[22:30] <TheMuso> yes I can also verify replacing examples.desktop with another makes unity work.
[22:30] <seb128> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538835
[22:30] <TheMuso> s/makes/allows/
[22:30] <seb128> ^ that's a possible fix to try
[22:31] <cyphermox> seb128: working on it on my live session, i need to get the deps first though
[22:40] <TheMuso> It also seems that compiz/unity crashes when I alt tab
[22:40]  * TheMuso checks to see whether mipmapping is enabled...
[22:41] <TheMuso> Gah have to install ccsm
[22:42] <cyphermox> I can confirm Jay' s fix works
[22:43] <cyphermox> TheMuso: I don' t get a crash on alt-tab
[22:44] <TheMuso> Interesting.
[22:44] <TheMuso> cyphermox: What card?
[22:44] <TheMuso> are you using
[22:44] <cyphermox> Intel integrated i3
[22:45] <TheMuso> ah ok, I am on Amd Radeon 4830/RV770LE
[22:46] <cyphermox> ok
[22:46] <RAOF> Yeah, that's an r600 bug.
[22:46] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[22:46] <seb128> cjwatson, lp:~canonical-dx-team/unity/unity.fix-682345
[22:47] <seb128> cjwatson, that fixes it
[22:47] <cyphermox> of course now there is no icon and no text, but compiz doesn' t crash :D
[22:47] <seb128> cjwatson, I'm not on a bug where I can do packaging unfortunatly and didrocks is not around
[22:47] <cyphermox> seb128: if I can take the time to switch back, I could maybe update it
[22:47] <cyphermox> (switch back to non-live where I can package stuff)
[22:48] <seb128> well you need sponsoring anywa
[22:48] <cyphermox> right
[22:48] <cyphermox> brb, getting back to install
[22:49] <TheMuso> RAOF: Ok good to know.
[22:53] <cjwatson> seb128: I can sponsor it, not that I can test it
[22:54] <seb128> cjwatson, robert_ancell is on it
[22:54] <cjwatson> what bzr branch do you normally use for unity?
[22:54] <cjwatson> oh, ok, good
[22:54] <seb128> cjwatson, cyphermox tested
[22:54] <seb128> cjwatson, we will let #ubuntu-release know when it's uploaded
[22:54] <cjwatson> ok, great
[22:55] <UndiFineD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/683790
[22:55] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683790 in gdm (Ubuntu) "natty alpha gdm / unity does not start (affects: 2) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New]
[23:04] <rickspencer3> wow!
[23:05] <rickspencer3> so, I step away for a bit, come back, and cjwatson, seb128, cyphermox, vish, charlie-tca, mterry got everything fixed
[23:05] <rickspencer3> there is a lesson for me here, I guess!
[23:05] <charlie-tca> Thank you. I just sat here
[23:05] <seb128> rickspencer3, lol
[23:05] <rickspencer3> charlie-tca, don't be so modest!
[23:05] <rickspencer3> you found and drove the issue
[23:05] <charlie-tca> seb128, will the two new bugs go as dups of the fixed bug?
[23:05] <rickspencer3> that was huge, we're all really grateful for your stick-to-it-iveness
[23:06] <rickspencer3> well, thanks to all of this, (assuming the fix works ..
[23:06]  * rickspencer3 knocks wood
[23:06] <rickspencer3> this is going to be a really killer Alpha 1 for the desktop
[23:06] <charlie-tca> rickspencer3, It is those other people that actually have to work hard. I just tell people it broke
[23:11] <seb128> charlie-tca, we will clean bugs tomorrow
[23:12] <seb128> charlie-tca, the bug don't have enough details to be sure it's the same issue
[23:12] <cjwatson> hm, if I'd been extra-special clever I'd have stopped the publisher in preparation for this
[23:12] <cjwatson> oh well
[23:12] <seb128> would be better to ask people to retry after the update
[23:13] <charlie-tca>  okay