[00:09] been a while since I installed edubuntu. [00:10] It boots really, really fast though [00:10] :) [00:19] fader_: and Ubuntu worked fine on that same hardware ? [00:19] (we don't do anything fancy with the gnome session, so it should be pretty much identical to ubuntu's) [00:19] my current guess is that the session tried to start unity and failed, that results in exactly what you described [00:20] as in, no gnome-panel because it's a unity desktop and just nautilus because compiz crashed [00:21] though that's hardware dependent, not distro/desktop dependent so if on that box you only have the issue with edubuntu, then it's very weird [00:24] stgraber: Ubuntu live session did bring up the panel (though it tried to go to unity and failed first) [00:24] I'll test it again in a moment to be sure [00:24] Maybe it's a DVD thing [00:27] stgraber: On the other hand I seem to always manage to have bugs that nobody else can reproduce :P [00:27] Ask cjwatson what I did to him right before the maverick release :P [00:28] +1 for fader_ having stranger issues than other people [00:28] charlie-tca: Hey, leave my personal life out of this :P [00:29] fader_, did you try choosing classic session? [00:29] * charlie-tca couldn't resist [00:29] charlie-tca: On the Ubuntu CD yes [00:29] On edubuntu? [00:29] On edubuntu it should be the default I think [00:29] But happily I still have that VM lying around, hang on :) [00:30] sounds like it defaults to unity [00:30] charlie-tca: Good call! [00:31] Unity doesn't havee fallback until alpha2 [00:32] Er, this is weird though -- both the 'desktop' and 'classic' sessions exec the same thing [00:32] fader_: Edubuntu ships with unity [00:32] Exec=gnome-session [00:32] crap [00:32] I can't reproduce my but [00:33] stgraber: Hmm, it's still listed as an option in the installer [00:33] s/but/bug [00:33] fader_: yeah, I didn't update the installer :) [00:33] charlie-tca: The encrypted install worked this time? [00:33] stgraber: Hah! You are trying to trick me! [00:33] lol [00:33] * fader_ goes to mark his bug as invalid. [00:34] Guess I will try it one more time to make sure [00:34] I put the ati card back in. Maybe I just caught it between updates somehow [00:35] It worked perfect this time [00:37] charlie-tca: It's probably my fault... I jinxed you [00:38] Seems so :-) [00:38] I can always reproduce my bugs [00:42] Running the encrypted install again ;-) [00:51] Got to be possible I just have really bad timing today [00:51] Hello, cprofitt [00:51] testing is happening [00:51] hey charlie-tca [00:51] I saw... [00:51] I have to get that started... [00:52] tomorrow night is my target [00:52] tonight is not a good night [00:52] you can say that again [00:52] I got a major fail the first test, and can't seem to reproduce [00:53] but, it is fader_ 's fault ;-) [00:54] Think of how much faster ISO testing would go if I'd stop doing it :) [00:54] lol [00:54] I am watching the three kids -- wife is out... and feel sick to my stomach [00:54] iso testing... likely not good tonight [00:54] despite fader_ [00:55] cprofitt: :P [00:55] I hope you feel better though :/ [00:55] * fader_ is canning turkey stock while ISO testing. [00:55] cprofitt, might be done already if fader_ would not make these issues happen [00:55] Hehe [00:58] cprofitt, sorry to hear you are ill tonight [01:08] no big deal charlie-tca [01:08] turkey stock... a skill I desire to learn by next year [01:10] cprofitt: It's more or less: 1) eat turkey 2) throw turkey bones in pot of water 3) boil forever [01:10] :) [01:11] It makes awesome soup [01:11] it does.... [01:11] You don't throw salt and pepper in? [01:11] I did what you said last year and it smelled terrible [01:14] Hehe [01:14] Well, there are other things in it too. Vegetables, salt, pepper, etc. [01:15] To be honest, my Significant Other makes the stock and I can it. [01:15] So don't trust my recipe too much ;) [01:15] Yeah, that's it [01:15] carrots, maybe celery, salt, pepper, gallons of water [01:16] boil the crap out of it with the cover on [01:17] If the turkey was wrong, it stinks, I think :-) [01:17] I believe there were onions in this as well. At least, it looked like there were onions when I was picking the meat off the carcass afterward. [01:17] sounds right [01:18] I used to watch my mother do it [01:18] That's the best part, BTW -- you can carve everything off the turkey, then when you've boiled it you get like another pound of meat [01:18] It's like magic [01:18] lol [01:40] Hmm, looks like the ISO tracker asplode [01:43] DC exploded apparently [01:44] launchpad is down too [01:44] Oh man, that's not good [01:44] ubuntu.com is still alive but canonical.com is dead [01:45] stgraber, canonical.com works for me? [01:45] Yeah, #launchpad has "Launchpad down due to data centre issues, more soon" in the topic [01:45] 02:38 -!- charlieS changed the topic of #canonical-sysadmin to: Known issues: One datacenter is unreachable currently. || Vanguard: squinky || RT: https://rt.ubuntu.com/ (uname/pword ubuntu/ubuntu) || Although we idle here, please mail requests to mailto:rt@ubuntu.com [01:46] And mwhudson says "believe me, people are out of bed and in taxis in london as we type" [01:46] I believe my bad luck is expanding [01:49] good thing, archive.ubuntu.com isn't affected :) could be worse [01:49] No way, this is a disaster -- both iso.qa.ubuntu.com *and* hall-of-fame.ubuntu.com are down! [01:49] :P [01:50] fader_: just go and read www.edubuntu.org ;) we're in the right DC apparently :) [01:50] Hehe [01:50] stgraber: I thought you lived in the DC with edubuntu.org ;) [02:04] Well, at least we can test what we have... [02:05] As long as you don't need to report any bugs ;) [02:05] cdimage works here [02:05] hm, or try to cancel I did report? [02:07] does that read wrong to you, too? It looks like I really can't use english tonight? [02:08] charlie-tca: Yeah, I have no idea what that meant [02:08] I know all the words but I don't think they work in that order [02:08] Well, good. It isn't just me then :-) [02:09] :) [02:18] charlie-tca, fader_ just heard that IS is aware of the datacenter problem, and is working on it. fingers crossed, it gets figured out soon. [02:19] skaet_: Thanks :) I've been trying not to bug anyone since it was in the topic in #launchpad [02:20] Thank you , skaet_ [02:21] well, skaet_, fader_ that bug on the encrypted install is invalid, but with everything down, I can not mark it in launchpad. [02:21] looks like we're back online [02:21] I can not reproduce it [02:21] \o/ [02:21] iso.qa.ubuntu.com works from here [02:22] Changed in the iso tracker, but can't mark it in launchpad. [02:25] Yeah, lp still seems to be down [02:25] But my guess is it will be up shortly [02:25] :) glad we're back in tracking mode in iso tracker at least.... keeping fingers crossed lp comes up soon. Elmo is in the building in London. [02:25] Oh man, poor elmo [02:25] indeed. [02:26] I'm glad I'm on the other side of the room right now... my poor ears would probably melt [02:26] :) [02:27] lp seems to be up too [02:27] *\o/* [02:28] skaet_, I will run the 386 desktop images tomorrow. I seem to have a good working setup on hardware now [02:29] charlie-tca, thanks. :) am probably going to call it a night myself now. [02:30] charlie-tca, skaet_: G'night! [02:30] Good night [02:57] * fader_ is also calling it a night... ciao folks [07:54] good morning [08:17] * ara syncs kubuntu desktop i386 [08:35] Greetings [08:36] Hi sulumar [08:40] that alpha iso seems to be corrupted. ill try something else [11:36] hi [11:37] someone here? [13:18] Good morning [13:21] morning charlie-tca [13:22] still going [13:22] Is the ISO tracker going to get updated with the new image date? [13:22] Good morning charlie-tca [13:23] another day, another... === yofel_ is now known as yofel === cr3_ is now known as cr3 === McPeter_ is now known as McPeter [17:15] Meeting in #ubuntu-quality now [17:57] jibel, charlie-tca - new desktop for ubuntu has been uploaded now with WUBI and the 2D fix. others emerging in through the afternoon. [17:58] syncing now [18:13] FYI: the 2D fix works fine here [18:16] cool [18:40] Anyone here familiar with Aptosid Linux? [18:43] If you are not familiar with it it is here: http://www.aptosid.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=396 [18:44] I was looking for any comments on it. [18:44] Has it got anything to do with testing Ubuntu? [18:44] It is Linux related. Are you familiar with it? [18:45] This channel is for testing of Ubuntu, not offtopic discussions. Might want to try in #ubuntu-offtopic [18:45] If you don't know just say so. I don't mind. It doesn't hurt to ask a question. [18:46] the discussion in not appropriate here [18:46] OK I see. So you are puffed up with your channel topics. [18:47] Get a live my friend. [18:47] Get a life. [19:01] man [19:01] date [19:02] flag a [19:03] is it essential to test upgrades for the alpha release? [19:04] (oh, nm :) ) [19:20] pedro_, thanks for checking it out. good to know it won't need documenting then. [19:45] um, anybody testing Ubuntu desktop on hardware? [19:46] pedro_, was that on hardware? [19:47] charlie-tca, no, it was on a VM [19:48] so no 3d support [19:48] okay [19:50] We need somebody to verify the live cd works on 3d hardware. Mine is losing the panel and dock on logging in [19:51] burning a new dvd to try again [19:58] skaet_, I am losing the dock and panel running the desktop cd on hardware. Also, shortcuts will not work at all. [19:58] Got a blank desktop and no way to quit [19:58] :( [19:59] looks to me like adding 2d fallback broke it completely on 3d hardware [19:59] not good. [20:00] * skaet_ off to go find some folk to help. [20:25] charlie-tca, jasoncwarner is going to ask robert_ancell to look into it when he comes online. Looks like we've missed seb128 and didrocks :( [20:25] Okay [20:25] Can you kick the iso tracker? Xubuntu desktop images are out again [20:25] well, are done rebuilding, I mean. [20:31] charlie-tca: I imagine bug 672699 is a regression right? [20:31] Launchpad bug 672699 in debian-installer (Ubuntu) "screen-reader does not work (affects: 1) (heat: 196)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/672699 [20:34] bdmurray, I don't actually know. That is the alternate image, and I don't know if it ever worked [20:35] charlie-tca: okay, thanks [20:35] It was kind of a placeholder, so we would try and get it working for natty [20:41] charlie-tca, is there a bug number for the 2d fallback breaking 3d? or should just reopen the 2d one? [20:42] I did not file one, I was hoping someone could verify it first. [20:43] I guess we can reopen the 2d bug. I can't really get anything off this since I can't use any shortcut keys [20:44] hi all [20:44] Am I really the one with hardware to test with? [20:46] Hello, rickspencer3 [20:46] hi rickspencer3 [20:46] I'd like to understand what's up with the 2d/3d fallback thing [20:46] and help get it unstuck asap [20:47] 1. is there a bug #? [20:47] I can not get it work in a live environment on real hardware now [20:47] 2. if not, what are the symptoms and could someone please log a bug so we can track [20:47] As soon as the desktop comes up, the dock and panel disappear [20:47] charlie-tca, if I dist-upgrade right now and restart, should I see the same problem? [20:47] no [20:48] It is the new images today [20:48] It is a fresh install using the latest desktop cd. When I go to Try Ubuntu, it fails as soon as the desktop comes up [20:49] charlie-tca, but would I not see the system if I simply update? [20:49] I haven't even tried the install with the latest image [20:49] I am on Natty [20:49] rickspencer3, I don't know if it will show up on an upgrade. I am seeing it on the live desktop, not an installed desktop [20:50] I see [20:50] charlie-tca, I'll start by creating a live image here, and see if I repro it [20:50] It worked earlier today. The image was changed to allow 2d fallback to work [20:50] can you link me to the specific image? [20:51] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [20:51] I am using the 386 image [20:51] specifically: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso [20:53] I have another image running right now. As soon as it is done, I will file the bug and try to pull the live cd logs [20:55] can someone please log a bug! [20:55] marjo ^? [20:55] rickspencer3: will do [20:55] I can file it. I just can't pull the logs yet [20:56] dang it [20:57] my downlink is going at 200KB, so this is going to take like an hour to download [20:57] charlie-tca, shall I see if it effects my on a dist-upgrade? [20:57] I think it is the image itself [20:58] interesting [20:59] skaet_, if it's the image itself, then maybe after we get a bug number, we can ask cjwatson to look at it [21:03] Should I be testing http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20101201.1/ ? [21:03] charlie-tca, skaet_, I asked some folks in #ubuntu-desktop to try the image as well [21:03] charlie-tca, ^ ? [21:03] mterry, he previously pointed right to current: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso [21:03] great [21:03] OK [21:03] hi, so i downloaded today's image, and unity doesnt run.. it just loads for a couple of secs and crashes … when i logged into a classic session i got the compiz crash and logged Bug 683840 [21:03] Launchpad bug 683840 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() (affects: 3) (dups: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683840 [21:03] bug 683859 [21:04] Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859 [21:05] thank you, vish. Is that the 20101201.1 image? [21:05] charlie-tca: thats the same bug as i mentioned.. :) [21:05] mterry, vish, earlier images was 20101201; image in current right now is in 20101201.1 [21:05] rickspencer3, ^ ^ verified [21:05] skaet, charlie-tca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/+bug/683860 [21:05] yup [21:05] Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [21:05] vish, are you able to find out what, specifically, is crashing? [21:06] charlie-tca: image is 20101201 and then i updated again.. [21:06] well, now we got two bugs for it. [21:06] so fully updated live usb.. [21:06] charlie-tca: i just subscribed you to it [21:06] charlie-tca: its the same symptom as you describe in your bug.. [21:06] Want me to dup bug 683859 to it? [21:06] Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859 [21:07] charlie-tca: i suggest not; let's let cjwatson do the duping [21:07] charlie-tca: either way, i think the apport one has the traces.. [21:08] marjo, can't get an apport trace [21:08] charlie-tca: ack [21:08] I can't get a terminal in the live cd. Shortcuts are broken too [21:08] is anyone from dx/compiz around to look at this crasher? [21:09] I will attempt to ssh the logs [21:11] burning another dvd, will do what I can to pull logs [21:11] charlie-tca: are you able to switch to classic session? [21:11] I can't log out [21:11] No [21:11] charlie-tca: try Sys+Alt+k [21:11] thats what i do.. and then i switch to the classic one.. [21:12] Used to be able to use terminal, but ctrl+alt+t is broken too [21:12] yea, terminal does not open [21:12] * charlie-tca is really glad it isn't just him [21:13] give me a minute. burn this dvd and boot it [21:15] rickspencer3, I'm zsyncing the amd64 image now to test [21:15] thanks cyphermox [21:16] unless it's just on i386? [21:16] rickspencer3: afaik, it's compiz crashing here.. well atleast thats what apport keeps reporting when i get to the classic session. [21:17] vish, right, assuming that's the issue [21:17] hmm... oops, downloading too fast :/ [21:24] rickspencer3, I'm in a live session, and unity doesn't come up at all... I get nautilus but no unity. Is this the bug you mentioned? [21:25] mterry, prolly [21:25] charlie-tca, ^ [21:25] mterry, any chance you could look at what is going on specifically? [21:25] mterry: how are you getting nautilus? from the examples folder? [21:26] vish, it draws my background [21:29] rickspencer3, I'm looking around [21:29] thanks mterry [21:29] I think we'd all like to know the root cause asap [21:29] mterry: yea, background is there with the folders.. [21:29] vish, thanks to you for your help getting to this as well [21:29] np.. [21:29] * rickspencer3 steps away [21:29] I can run compiz, but unity doesn't come up [21:29] mterry: is there a crash report or anything? [21:29] jasoncwarner, no. And as far as I can see, compiz isn't actually crashed. I don't know how it was when I first logged in, but I ran compiz manually from a terminal and unity still didn't come up, even though compiz is running fine [21:29] mterry: hmm..ok... [21:29] jasoncwarner, are there compiz/DX folks around? [21:29] mterry: looking now [21:29] yes, exactly [21:29] It draws the background, then the dock and top panel, then it takes the panel and dock away [21:29] Maybe my system is slow enough to see it happen? [21:29] end result is the wallpaper, no shortcuts working and no way to test anything [21:30] charlie-tca, interesting. I didn't notice it come up, but I might have just blinked [21:32] charlie-tca, I did see that today on my natty laptop, where unity came, went, but in my laptop's case, it came again and stayed [21:32] charlie-tca: oh! I'm on an AOA as well, so might be why we are noticing unity appear and then go away.. [21:32] when unity loads i only see the switcher and the trash icon on the dock [21:32] When I run compiz from a terminal, the unityshell plugin is not among those it lists as initialized during startup [21:32] hey [21:32] even the app menu loads but then gone.. [21:32] seb128, hihi [21:32] how are things going there? [21:32] seb128, trying to get to bottom of things still [21:32] what is the issue? [21:33] vish, charlie-tca: I think I may have different issue from you, as unityshell doesn't even attempt to load in my case. Sounds like it loads for you two and then dies [21:33] seb128, ^ basically [21:33] hum [21:33] ugh, it' s really inconvenient to have compiz segfault like that :/ [21:33] mterry, several people having the issue? [21:33] cyphermox, hey [21:34] seb128: got it too ;) [21:34] cyphermox, stacktrace? [21:34] seb128, a few [21:34] hold on, just managed to log in to IRC with emathy :0 [21:34] what issue exactly? [21:34] seb128: well there are a few dups.. Bug 683840 [21:34] Launchpad bug 683840 in compiz (Ubuntu) "compiz crashed with SIGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() (affects: 3) (dups: 3) (heat: 34)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683840 [21:35] vish: ohh so it looks like its just expecting cheese to be installed but it isnt on the livecd? [21:35] charlie-tca: ^ is cheese there ? [21:35] I am just a hair gunshy after not being able to reproduce my bug from yesterday [21:35] This was working before the change to add 2d fallback today [21:35] vish, I don't have cheese installed in the live cd [21:35] vish: cheese isn' t there [21:36] it's not supposed to be [21:36] vish, I seem to have been lost for a few minutes, I have to read two full screens now to catch up [21:37] yes, vish. This is accurate [21:37] when unity loads i only see the switcher and the trash icon on the dock [21:38] seb128, also bug 683860 [21:38] Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683860 [21:39] seems you guys are mixing different issues [21:40] it doesn't make easy to track what's going on [21:40] yup, I think you are right. also bug 683859 [21:40] Launchpad bug 683859 in unity "Dock and panel disappear when starting the live cd environment (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683859 [21:41] vish, your bug seems a duplicate of bug #682345 [21:41] seb128: fwiw, I seem to get the same stack trace in gdb for compiz crashing [21:41] Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345 [21:41] cyphermox, which one? [21:41] huh, hard to tell now [21:42] #0 0x00007fffe6178cd0 in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () [21:42] from /usr/lib/libnux-graphics-0.9.so.0, like so many others :/ [21:43] ok, same bug that I just pointed [21:43] Jason and Jay are on it [21:44] surely I missed something, but isn' t 683840 the same thing as well? [21:44] charlie-tca, bug #683860 seems neither a cdimage bug not an useful description [21:44] Launchpad bug 683860 in ubuntu-cdimage "http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/natty-desktop-i386.iso broken; fresh install fails as soon as the desktop comes up (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683860 [21:44] cyphermox, seems so yes [21:45] ah, so I'm not going crazy :) [21:45] bug #682345 was the first open and is assigned [21:45] Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345 [21:45] so better to comment on this one and dup the others [21:45] yep [21:45] seb128, what about 683859 > [21:45] well, I have nothing useful to add than dup [21:45] seb128: yea, hence when sarvatt mention it thought it might be the .desktop file.. [21:45] charlie-tca, seems compiz is crashing? do you get apport to trigger? [21:45] no [21:46] apport does not trigger. It is the live environment, too. [21:46] charlie-tca, can you switch to a vt and read .xsession-errors? [21:46] or the system logs [21:46] give me a minute [21:47] I'm moving #683860 over to Ubuntu, dup or not [21:47] fill in a package if you know better :-) [21:48] it was filed for #683859, probably can be duped to it [21:48] or invalid it and be done with it [21:49] slow boot here. I am trying to get to the crashed desktop [21:50] * mterry tries to boot back into livecd. brb [21:50] music plays, desktop is up, dock and panel disappeared [21:51] what video card people having the crash issue use? [21:51] Radeon 9800 with 128MB here [21:51] seb128, big log [21:52] is there any crash or error about unity or compiz? [21:52] canbera-gtk-play [21:53] compiz [21:53] \Cannont connect to backend, is it busy? [21:53] seb128: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Core Processor Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 12) here [21:53] It is still adding to the log [21:53] ok [21:54] so it's not driver specific [21:54] nah [21:54] lots of nm-applet [21:54] glib-GObject-critical erros [21:54] errors [21:54] yeah, sorry about that, still working on nm-applet :/ [21:55] Do you want me to try and pull these for the bug report? [21:55] I think there was already a bug reported about it [21:56] not nm-applet, the desktop won't work thing [21:56] ah [21:57] charlie-tca: do you have a file in /var/crash/ ? [21:58] nope [21:58] I have one [21:58] mterry: did you ascertain whether it was the same as bug 682345? [21:58] Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 5) (dups: 4) (heat: 48)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/682345 [21:58] Do you want dmesg or syslog? [21:59] mterry, it seems to be a crash when the .desktop for a launcher entry is missing [21:59] mterry, Jason said he might an idea about the issue, I'm waiting for him to come back with details [21:59] mterry, the default list has items which are missing from the default install [21:59] cyphermox, seb128: mine is the same as that bug, I marked it as affecting me [21:59] xsession-errors log attached to bug 683859 [21:59]