[02:50] <DanielRM> Anyone awake?
[02:51] <dutchie> technically, yes
[02:53] <sam_010203> hello...
[02:53] <DanielRM> Any experience with VPNs?
[02:53] <dutchie> old forgotten experience
[02:53] <DanielRM> Friend's trying to get a recommendation for a UK-based one.
[02:53] <DanielRM> His sister's moving to France and wants iPlayer access.
[02:59] <shauno> not familiar with any hosted options myself.  I just made sure to get a UK-based vps
[03:00] <DanielRM> Fair enough.
[03:03] <Azelphur> yea, bitfolk do good VPS's :p
[03:03] <Azelphur> or you can get one off Daviey but paying him is fun :D
[03:04] <shauno> bitfolk would be my recommendation for that route too
[03:04] <Azelphur> plus you can do other stuff besides VPN with it, like a bouncer or small website.
[03:06] <shauno> well proud of myself. 3am and I managed to write route instead of router :)
[03:06] <dutchie> pah, it's early
[03:31] <shauno> watching top gear: apocalypse.  and now I wish I owned a car.
[03:32] <shauno> (well, on paper I do.  but I'd really like one that's on the same continent as me)
[06:42] <screen-x> morning :)
[07:23] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:25] <MichealH> Hey :)
[07:26] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:26] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:55] <daubers> Morning
[07:56] <daubers> Anyone know a good solicitor
[07:56] <daubers> ?
[07:56] <MooDoo> daubers, no i don't but here's the obligatory, everything ok?
[07:57] <daubers> MooDoo: Estate agent sent someone in to paint a few patches of wall yesterday, they didn't use any covers so have damaged a few things
[07:57] <MooDoo> daubers, ah :(
[07:57] <daubers> One of which can't be replaced
[07:58] <daubers> According to a friend who's a barrister I can do them for negligence if they refuse to repair what they've damaged
[08:00] <MooDoo> well fingers crosed then
[08:01] <daubers> Yep, just have to try and not get too shouty at the estate agents when i can ring them
[08:02] <daubers> At least this ig doo news (for me anyway) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11879051
[08:04] <MooDoo> yay o/
[08:05] <screen-x> daubers: :(
[08:05] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning peeps!
[08:05] <screen-x> morning TheOpenSourcerer
[08:14] <diplo> Morning all
[08:27] <screen-x> mmmm warm tea in cold hands
[08:27] <MooDoo> lovely
[08:28] <screen-x> and jet on last.fm :)
[08:30] <daubers> "jet"?
[08:31] <screen-x> daubers: http://www.last.fm/music/Jet
[08:35] <DanielRM> Morning.
[08:36] <daubers> screen-x: I see
[08:36]  * daubers puts on the soundtrack to "The Muppets Christmas Carol"
[08:36] <TheOpenSourcerer> Gosh: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/11/24/armys-revolutionary-rifle-use-afghanistan/
[08:38] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: That's been in the works for a little while. They've also got a sniper rifle coming out soon that can help take in account things like drift over ranges of greater than 3000ft
[08:39] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/26/futuristic_guns_feature/
[08:52] <bigcalm> Ahoy hoy!
[08:52] <MooDoo> hullo
[09:06] <nperry> Morning all :)
[09:10] <TheOpenSourcerer> Here's a quick Q... Is there an easy way to reset an Ubuntu [server in this instance] back to a "default/as first installed" state?
[09:11] <MartijnVdS> Don't you really want preseeded installs? :)
[09:11] <TheOpenSourcerer> Probably... What's that then?
[09:12] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Take an image after you've installed it (first time) and then just restore the image?
[09:12] <daubers> (dd is your friend)
[09:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: That is a good idea if I have a time machine ;-)
[09:12] <nperry> I've got one.
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> partimage is more of your friend
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: preseeded installs = automatic (usually network) install with a script to answer all questions that come up
[09:13] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: for automated installs
[09:13] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: that's what I do at work all the time :)
[09:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ahh - I see.
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/installation-guide/hppa/preseed-contents.html
[09:14] <daubers> Right, ultimatum given to estate agents, they have 45 minutes left to get back to me
[09:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks, I think I will use daubers' suggestion and just go and build a nice new clean VM then clone it before I break it again.
[09:14] <MartijnVdS> TheOpenSourcerer: that help.ubuntu.com link might be useful as well :)
[09:15] <TheOpenSourcerer> Am reading it now MartijnVdS
[09:15] <nperry> daubers: Did they give you notice about coming in to paint?
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> it's too cold to paint anyway L(
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> :)
[09:19] <nperry> its to cold to function :./
[09:19] <nperry> caffeine hasn't kicked in yet.
[09:20] <screen-x> TheOpenSourcerer: pre-seed would prob take longer, but is really handy once you have it set up.
[09:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes, it would be useful once a preseed file is built. I can see that.
[09:22] <AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: http://www.arsgeek.com/2006/09/19/ubuntu-tricks-how-to-generate-a-list-of-installed-packages-and-use-it-to-reinstall-packages/
[09:22] <gord> heh, i have to put in my password four times on boot now
[09:24] <Ng> that is three times too many!
[09:24] <MartijnVdS> gord: crypted partitions?
[09:24] <gord> Ng, this is with auto-login too ;)
[09:25] <gord> MartijnVdS, yeah, one of them
[09:28] <Ng> gord: other than crypto, what else?!
[09:29] <gord> i think its gwibber/empathy. the fourth one is new though
[09:33] <screen-x> gord: gnome keyring?
[09:34] <gord> screen-x, well gwibber/empathy are gnome keyring based
[09:34] <popey> morning all
[09:34] <screen-x> morning popey
[09:35] <screen-x> gord: so you shouldn't need to enter a password for either..
[09:44]  * daubers waits for the estate agent to ring back again
[09:52] <wintellect> daubers: buying? selling? both?
[09:52] <kazade> morning all
[09:52] <nperry> daubers: I don't think they'll do anything, if they gave you notice of them coming in...
[09:52] <kazade> I actually have an Ubuntu related question! \o/
[09:53] <kazade> Does anyone know how to install the correct nvidia binary driver without using Jockey?  (jockey-gtk and jockey-text are borked on my Natty install)
[09:53] <kazade> It's running nouveau atm
[09:53] <daubers> nperry: They didn't. They've also failed in their care of duty to the occupants belongings, which makes them negligent
[09:53] <nperry> sudo apt-get install nvidia-current
[09:53] <kazade> nperry, I tried that.. but it didn't work :(
[09:53] <daubers> wintellect: Screaming
[09:54] <nperry> daubers: Thats the first thing, Your contract should say they have to give you 24hrs notice to access the flat/house
[09:54] <nperry> kazade: What does it say
[09:55] <daubers> nperry: Yup. They've also done this before and I've told them if it happens again I won't complain, I'll call the police for having someone entering the flat without my permission
[09:56] <kazade> nperry, it installs, but when I reboot I get nouveau, if I remove nouveau I get no X
[09:56] <kazade> nperry, I think I'm supposed to run nvidia-xconfig to setup xorg.conf, but nvidia-xconfig doesn't exist and I can't find it anywhere
[09:57] <nperry> kazade: Odd thats what you are meant to run..
[09:58] <nperry> Have you tried running gksudo nvidia-settigns
[09:58] <kazade> yeah, it tells me to run nvidia-xconfig
[09:59] <nperry> Thats what I though would happen
[10:00] <nperry> !nvidia > nperry
[10:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[10:03] <nperry> kazade: are you ruinng nvidia-xonconfig under sudo?
[10:03] <nperry> Hello czajkowski
[10:03] <MooDoo> czajkowski, hello :) hope you're well
[10:10] <kazade> nperry, I found nvidia-xconfig but it's not on the path
[10:11] <kazade> it's in something like /usr/lib/nvidia-current/bin
[10:11] <czajkowski> all good thanks
[10:13]  * popey tickles kazade 
[10:30] <daubers> woot
[10:30]  * daubers wins
[10:30] <daubers> Just need repair quotes
[10:30] <screen-x> :D
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> "repair quotes"
[10:31] <screen-x> daubers: without needing legal people?
[10:32] <daubers> screen-x: Yup
[10:32] <screen-x> daubers: double win :)
[10:32] <daubers> screen-x: Shout enough people give you what you want so you just go away
[10:33] <daubers> Also got them to agree that if someone does come into the flat without any notice again, I shouldn't be phoning them, I should go straight to the police and press charges
[10:33] <screen-x> daubers: should get it into the contract that they have to ask before sending contractors round
[10:34] <daubers> screen-x: It is
[10:34] <screen-x> so you have breach of contract already..
[10:34] <kazade> I'm fairly sure it's law, not just contractual. ..
[10:35] <daubers> screen-x: Yup, thats why I didn't need legal people
[10:36] <nperry> kazade: Your right it is law. When I had a water leak in my old flat, I had to sign a wavier as they hadn't given me the notice to come into the flat
[10:37]  * kazade throws his laptop out of the window. ARRRRGHH
[10:37] <kazade> So I finally got the sodding nvidia drivers to kick in, and I can't get past plymouth!
[10:37] <kazade> It just freezes up, and I can't switch VT
[10:37] <kazade> only ctrl+alt+del
[10:42] <directhex> nvidia drivers don't work with plymouth
[10:42] <directhex> bootsplash on maverick with nvidia is text-based
[10:47] <kazade> well, ok, it gives me that big horrible ubuntu logo instead of the high res one
[10:47] <popey> that is normal
[10:47] <popey> for nvidia
[10:47] <kazade> popey, I know, but it doesn't get past that
[10:47] <kazade> ever
[10:48] <kazade> sigh, gonna just stuck with nouveau
[10:48] <popey> odd
[10:48] <kazade> popey, this is natty
[10:49] <popey> oh
[10:49] <popey> ignore me then
[10:49] <kazade> I just fancied testing the new unity
[10:49] <kazade> coz it crashes badly on nouveau
[10:49] <popey> which reminds me, i downloaded the Ubuntu Light ISO last night
[10:50]  * kazade wonders why in the world Ubuntu still doesn't have a simple way of booting vesa mode
[10:50]  * MartijnVdS wonders why in the world people want vesa mode
[10:51] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/light/ is the contents of the Ubuntu light iso
[10:51] <kazade> MartijnVdS, for when your graphics drivers mess up?
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> kazade: hasn't happened to me in a long time.. and if X screws up you get an "X failed to start" vesa mode X
[10:51] <MartijnVdS> which lets you repair your X config, etc.
[10:51] <kazade> not if your nvidia drivers crash your system ;)
[10:52] <MartijnVdS> nvidia, there's your problem
[10:52] <kazade> of course, but it would far nicer if Ubuntu gave you a way out
[10:52] <kazade> Windows does...
[10:53] <kazade> that's like when I complained about being stuck at low resolutions when games crash. My #1 response was "fix the game"
[10:53] <kazade> obviously, the game is broken, but it's not great if the OS doesn't deal with it
[10:57] <nperry> kazade: You can install the 3d nouveau driver from xorg edgers
[10:57] <nperry> Not tired it but unity is reported to work like a dream on it
[10:57] <nperry> !info unity natty
[10:58] <kazade> nperry, that's what I'm running :)
[10:58]  * kazade is now wondering if that's why the nvidia drivers didn't work
[10:59] <nperry> I installed the nvidia current on my natty install fine last night.. And unity works.. apart from random compiz crashes
[10:59] <nperry> But you do get a horrible plymouth boot as nvidia driver is so closed down :(
[11:06] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/light/install/sources.list interesting
[11:07] <popey> http://dell-mini.archive.canonical.com/pool/ also interesting
[11:09] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/light/pool/main/d/dell-recovery/ also
[11:10] <daubers> popey: Hmm... if you try and open sources.list it starts up the software sources gui
[11:10] <daubers> Not noticed that before
[11:11] <popey> heh
[11:11] <czajkowski> daubers: any luch with the auctioneers?
[11:11] <daubers> czajkowski: Auctioneers?
[11:12] <czajkowski> was that you this morning re paint
[11:12] <daubers> Oh! Estate agents
[11:12] <daubers> They're paying to get the damage repaired and have agreed that if anyone (they're contractor or not) enters my flat again without 24 hours notice and me or the missus present, I can skip them and go straight to the police
[11:13] <daubers> Just hoping my poor guitar can be repaired now :(
[11:13] <czajkowski> :(
[11:14] <daubers> shall take it to the repair shops first thing tomorrow and get some quotes
[11:14] <daubers> suspect it will be £x00's
[11:14] <kaushal> hi
[11:14] <kaushal> is there a documentation to setup third party repositories ?
[11:15] <popey> you want to create a repository?
[11:15] <kaushal> popey: yeah
[11:15] <kaushal> popey: I already have a local ubuntu mirror
[11:16] <kaushal> in my office
[11:16] <directhex> daubers: what happened?
[11:17] <popey> http://wiki.debian.org/HowToSetupADebianRepository kaushal
[11:17] <popey> that took 10 seconds with google
[11:17] <daubers> directhex: Idiot contractors painting without us knowing and not laying dust sheets
[11:17] <daubers> directhex: Gloss paint all over my lovely guitar :(
[11:17] <popey> ouch
[11:17] <popey> will they pay up?
[11:18] <daubers> Yup, if they don't I've already told them I'll take them to court for negligence, at which point they promised to pay up
[11:18] <kazade> hmm, anyone know how to run a command from one VT to affect another? (e.g. run compiz --replace from ctrl+alt+f1)
[11:19] <kazade> I managed to screw up my desktop while reporting it as a bug :)
[11:19] <ali1234> it's not so simple when you are talking about X11 apps
[11:20] <kazade> aha, I used some ingenuity
[11:20] <kazade> I'd lost all keyboard input and the menus were covered by a crashed window
[11:20] <kazade> so I added an application launcher for the Appearance settings ;)
[11:20] <kazade> so then I could access it with the mouse
[11:23]  * kazade realizes that njpatel was in here and exactly the guy to talk to..
[11:23] <daubers> http://twitpic.com/3bv9s9 :(
[11:24] <screen-x> daubers: :(
[11:30] <popey> daubers: how stupid
[11:32] <daubers> popey: I know :( Had to take 2 hours off work in order to ship it around to places tomorrow too
[11:45] <andylockran> morning
[11:45] <andylockran> guys I have two computers on the LAN.. one is an ubuntu box with all my vpns setup, the other is a windows 7 desktop
[11:46] <popey> congratulations andylockran
[11:46] <popey> have a sweet
[11:46] <screen-x> andylockran: wubi can fix that for you
[11:46] <andylockran> what routing config would allow me to route the desktop through the ubuntu machine to get the vpns - should I add the vpns manually to the win 7 machine - telling them the gw is the ubuntu machine - or change the default gw?
[11:46] <screen-x> andylockran: add static routes to the windows box
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: you'd have to tell it to route certain IPs to the ubuntu box
[11:47] <popey> _to_ the windows box?
[11:47] <popey> you sure?
[11:47] <popey> oh, hang on, i misinterpreted "to"
[11:47] <MartijnVdS> andylockran: and you'd have to tell the Ubuntu box to accept/route that traffic over the vpn
[11:47] <screen-x> popey: heh ambiguous in that context
[11:49] <andylockran> yeah, I've got the ubuntu box net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1
[11:51] <screen-x> andylockran: you'd also have to advertise your lan to the VPNs, so that vpn clients have a route to your windows box.
[11:52] <screen-x> andylockran: unless you use NAT, but that makes kittens sad.
[11:53] <andylockran> I've added the route to the windows box, but when doing TRACERT.EXE on it, it still goes to the default gw first
[11:53] <andylockran> pants.
[11:55] <screen-x> andylockran: your static routes should be preferred, as they are more specific than the default route.
[11:57] <dogmatic69> anyone know how i would install a new version of apc for php
[11:57] <dogmatic69> it says "You are running an older version of APC (3.1.3p1), newer version 3.1.6 is available at http://pecl.php.net/package/APC/3.1.6"
[11:57] <dogmatic69> and this does not seem to have anything newer https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/php-apc
[11:58] <awilkins> Grrr. Dammit, why doesn't the standard libxml library include the fricking schema for XML itself in the catalog
[11:58] <screen-x> dogmatic69: do you have to use the newer version?
[11:59] <dogmatic69> i dont *have* to, but i like new stuff
[11:59] <screen-x> dogmatic69: create a ppa for it :)
[12:02] <andylockran> is setting up ubutu as a router more difficult than I'm thinking it is?
[12:03] <andylockran> i.e. - I can't just turn on ip forwarding and point routes at it?
[12:04] <popey> no, its easy
[12:04] <popey> i had a viglen as my router for some time
[12:04] <popey> running ubuntu
[12:04] <andylockran> wonder where I'm falling down then..
[12:05] <andylockran> got the local-LAN interface as 192.168.1.125, and the vpn endpoint as 192.168.8.14
[12:06] <andylockran> vpn server is 192.168.8.1 that provides the route to 10.10.10.0/24
[12:07] <andylockran> routes on the win7 client are "route ADD 192.168.8.0/24 192.168.1.125, and 'route ADD 10.10.10.0/24 192.168.8.1'
[12:07] <dogmatic69> screen-x: i only found out yesterday what a ppa is, no clue how to make one
[12:24] <daubers> How weird
[12:24] <daubers> You can now buy customised M&Ms
[12:24] <AlanBell> !ppa
[12:27] <dogmatic69> so the ppa's could have doggy code in them?
[12:30] <daubers> !woof
[12:31] <dogmatic69> *dodgy
[12:31] <AlanBell> yes, they could
[12:32] <dogmatic69> but ones from 'official' things should be fine?
[12:32] <AlanBell> they tend not to have anything intentionally malicious
[12:32] <dogmatic69> cool
[12:32] <AlanBell> but there is nothing stopping someone putting something really bad in one
[12:32] <dogmatic69> ubuntu removes ones that people moan about i guess
[12:33] <AlanBell> more likely you will find stuff that accidentally breaks things
[12:33] <dogmatic69> ok
[12:33] <AlanBell> think of launchpad ppas as like little projects on sourceforge
[12:37] <Ng> daubers: customised how? can you have them printed with different letters? ;)
[12:45] <daubers> Ng: http://www.mymms.co.uk/
[12:46] <Ng> heh
[12:46] <daubers> shame it's letters only, or I'd get some done with the circle of friends on for the christmas do
[12:57] <daubers> Oooooh....
[12:58]  * daubers just accepted a delivery for a big box of customised USB sticks in swanky magnetically closing plastic boxes
[12:58] <dogmatic69> nice
[12:59] <czajkowski> does anyone need Ubuntu stickers
[12:59] <daubers> o/
[12:59] <czajkowski> I also have a stash of Open stack ones as well
[12:59] <daubers> hang on, define "need"
[13:00] <czajkowski> need/want
[13:00] <daubers> oh, then o/
[13:00] <czajkowski> daubers: pm addrss will post you some
[13:01] <daubers> \o/
[13:07] <samelco> hi ubuntu-uk, I tried to install gparted on 8.10(intrepid) but i am getting 404 not found
[13:09] <samelco> albeit in a vbox, my intention is to change the boot flag of a fat32 partion on a usb HD so i can install 10.04 from it
[13:09] <samelco> but cant see the usb drive anyhoo so i failed there
[13:16] <samelco> i have this other problem, even though i have screensaver off and powermanagement off the screen goes off after 10 minutes
[13:16] <daubers> !8.10
[13:16] <daubers> !eol
[13:20] <samelco> !10.04
[13:21] <samelco> !10.04 !eol
[13:21] <SuperBoy> another bot..?
[13:21] <SuperBoy> oh wait, wrong channel D:
[13:21] <samelco> !10.04 eol
[13:22] <samelco> !eol 10.04
[13:22] <popey> enough
[13:22] <popey> 10.04 desktop has 3 years support, server has 5 years
[13:22] <popey> work forwards from april 2010
[13:22] <samelco> enough?
[13:22] <popey> poking the bot
[13:22] <JamesTait> !botabuse
[13:22] <popey> so, whats the exact issue you have right now samelco ?
[13:23] <JamesTait> Ah, that must be in the other channel as well.
[13:23] <samelco> sorry i did not know
[13:23] <samelco> i will go
[13:24] <JamesTait> I really need to learn to type quicker so people don't leave before I'm finished.
[13:25] <popey> I'd just say "one moment"
[13:25] <JamesTait> Or just type shorter sentences. :)
[13:25] <JamesTait> Yeah.
[13:25] <popey> or that
[13:25] <popey> Think less.
[13:25] <popey> Type more.
[13:25] <popey> no, the other :)
[13:29] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jonathan Riddell] Call for Talks at FOSDEM 2011 - http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/4357
[13:30] <gord> just tell them to run the following command, then whilst they are busy, type your reply: echo "ReJigging System.. please wait..."; sleep 60; echo "Done!"
[13:31]  * popey rejigs gord 
[13:31] <daubers> -bash: !": event not found
[13:32] <dutchie> more quoting needed
[13:32] <dutchie> stupid bash quoting
[13:38] <Laney> hit enter more
[13:39] <dutchie> o
[13:39] <dutchie> k
[13:44] <Ng> hey good people who use the powerline stuff - are they strictly point-to-point? What if you want to join two PCs in different rooms to a router downstairs?
[13:45] <MartijnVdS> I've heard the performance is bad
[13:46] <MartijnVdS> (50% of advertised speeds)
[13:46] <gord> Ng, its not point to point no
[13:46] <ali1234> afaik they work like the old coax ethernet
[13:46] <gord> buuuut in my house the speeds suck, 300kbps suck.
[13:47] <Ng> gord: interesting
[13:48] <gord> had such huge hopes for it too :( thinking that the 200mbit ones prolly give much better speeds seeing as they are incompatible with my 80mbit ones, but they are also lots more expensive
[13:50] <Ng> hmm
[13:50] <Ng> well I guess I'll get some for my folks and then return them if they suck
[13:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone any idea why ssh terminal sessions to remote systems tend to "lock up" after a period of time whereas a connection to my server on this LAN does not? The remote terms don't disconnect, they just become frozen...
[14:10] <popey> TheOpenSourcerer: i get that now and then
[14:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> popey: Do you have any idea what causes it? I'm wondering if it's something to do with tcpkeepalive packets and routers filtering them or something?
[14:13] <popey> i have no clue
[14:13] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have recently chnaged my router, but the same problem occurs.
[14:13] <popey> it's often when i CTRL+A,D from screen, but dont disconnect from a server
[14:13] <popey> then go to bed
[14:14] <popey> I recently changed my router (previously had a linux box) and it only started happening then
[14:27] <ali1234> i recently changed my router and got this
[14:28] <ali1234> changed from a linux based router to some vxworks junk
[14:29] <gord> popey, where did yo uget the vendetta thing from?
[14:29] <popey> gord: a friend of the author
[14:29] <gord> huh, not in my software centre
[14:29] <popey> :(
[14:29] <popey> i didnt check hence why I said apparently
[14:30] <popey> he did imply that they had trouble getting it in
[14:30] <gord> i'm on natty though, maybe its in maverick?
[14:30] <popey> ah, yes
[14:30] <gord> interesting though regardless
[14:30] <popey> ya
[14:31] <dutchie> it's in my maverick
[14:32] <gord> i would guess a lot of people are anti-it because its not open source... maybe i'm getting old but i just don't care =\ would be nice if there were open source games as fun as closed source ones, but t here aren't so i guess i'll pay for closed source ones
[14:33] <daubers> gord: You have to make a point by not buying any and then be thoroughly annoyed when the publishers just ignore you anyway! Viva la revolution!!!
[15:45] <nperry> !info gnome3-session natty
[16:08] <diplo> http://cupsizechoir.com/
[16:09] <diplo> Slightly NSFW
[16:09] <diplo> :)
[16:11] <bigcalm> WTF?!
[16:11] <Azelphur> http://ui12.gamespot.com/1515/sendlink_2.jpg :D
[16:13] <bigcalm> Azelphur: hah
[16:27] <Phineas> i have returned
[16:28] <gord> more snowing \o/
[16:29]  * czajkowski stabs gord at being happy at this 
[16:29] <czajkowski> hmm
[16:30] <Phineas> more snow its bloody hot here
[16:30] <Phineas> gord,  more snow its bloody hot here
[16:31]  * Phineas sips his mint hot cocoa
[16:32] <Laney> more snow? bah!
[16:33]  * Laney is on crutches
[16:33] <Phineas> czajkowski, lucky for me no snow but sun sun sun all day
[16:36]  * Phineas has a text
[16:36] <Phineas> now that is weird?
[17:02] <daubers> Is there a easy way to get the used size of a filesystem without mounting the device or calling fdisk?
[17:11] <MartijnVdS> not really
[17:16] <popey> cfdisk :)
[17:17] <czajkowski> popey: is there an argos in  your area, cant seem to get the site to work here atm
[17:17] <popey> yes
[17:17] <MartijnVdS> popey: libparted 8-)
[17:17] <czajkowski> popey: thanks
[17:17] <popey> there is one in aldershot town centre
[17:17] <czajkowski> ohh
[17:17] <popey> not far from your house
[17:17] <czajkowski> even handier
[17:17] <popey> iirc
[17:17] <czajkowski> thanks
[17:17] <czajkowski> I found the town centre on Sunday
[17:18] <popey> crap isnt it?
[17:18] <daubers> bah
[17:20] <czajkowski> tis rather small
[17:21] <czajkowski> the shopping centre is empty nearly
[17:21] <nperry> czajkowski: welcome to england, where town centres have been overtaken by retail parks.
[17:22] <nperry> town centres now consit of phone shop, game shops, hairdressers and chairty shops.
[17:23] <dogmatic69> the uk has loads of charity shops
[17:23] <dogmatic69> whats up with that?
[17:24] <popey> our retail sector is bombing
[17:24] <popey> thus shop front is cheap because there's an abundance of it
[17:24] <popey> charities need cheap shop fronts
[17:24] <czajkowski> aye same back home
[17:27] <jacobw> charity shops need to spread the word about the great clothes they have :)
[17:29] <Phineas> jacobw,  charity shops are hot spots for video games, saw a good Rayman game in the other day
[17:30] <Phineas> popey,  charity shops are hosspots for seccond hand games
[17:32] <jacobw> spent ages clearing the road outside and now its bloody snowing again :(
[17:33] <Phineas> jacobw,  lucky for me, bloody hot sun here
[17:33] <jacobw> :o
[17:34] <dutchie> Phineas: where is here?
[17:34] <Phineas> dutchie,  Danville (not in the USA), are you dutch?
[17:34] <dutchie> no
[17:35] <Phineas> any i gotta go bye
[17:46] <jacobw> i'm secretly pleased that the gym has shut because of the snow, because i'm knackered from previous visits but i don't want to feel guilty about missing classes
[17:46] <jacobw> closure due to snow satisfies all these conditions :)
[17:50] <dogmatic69> lol
[17:57]  * MartijnVdS ROFLs at http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/2506-iPhone-Games
[18:03] <dogmatic69> lol
[18:06] <dogmatic69> anyone know if its possible to make a script / alias to open up a terminal with say 5 tabs and run commands in each tab?
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> I'd use screen instead of a terminal with tabs
[18:08] <MartijnVdS> then it's easy
[18:20] <danfish> or even better IMO - byobu
[18:25] <daubers> byobu \o/
[18:25] <daubers> Also, evening
[18:28] <cps> Evening peeps :)
[18:28] <will_> evening
[18:42] <danfish> lo daubers et al
[18:48] <Curly_Q> Is anyone here familiar with Aptosid Linux distro? Any comments?
[18:50] <Curly_Q> Aptosid seems to cover lots of bases with drivers for lots of hardware.
[18:53] <Curly_Q> The URL for Aptosid is:   http://www.aptosid.net/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=396
[18:54] <nperry> But we are a group of people that like/use ubuntu.
[18:54] <Curly_Q> That's OK. I use Kubuntu myself.
[18:55] <Curly_Q> I use many Operating Systems.
[18:55] <Curly_Q> I am not prejudiced.
[18:55] <nperry> No and nor am I.
[18:55] <nperry> Anyway my tea is burning..
[18:56] <Curly_Q> Green tea?
[18:56] <Curly_Q> Green tea is high in anti-oxidents.
[18:56] <Curly_Q> Good for you and a cancer inhibiter.
[18:59] <Curly_Q> http://www.righthealth.com/topic/Green_Tea_Side_Effects?p=l&as=goog&ac=519&kgl=19821599
[18:59] <Curly_Q> Anyway have a nice day folks.
[19:10] <DanielRM> :-/
[19:10] <DanielRM> That was quite strange.
[19:15] <nperry> Thats what i thought DanielRM :/
[19:22] <X3N> Hmmmmmmmm
[19:44] <finelytuned> evening all
[19:44] <dogmatic69> sup
[19:45] <jacobw> quick question, how can i find and replace in list a filenames from terminal
[19:45] <jacobw> well, find and replace in a directory i suppose
[19:48] <finelytuned> jacobw: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Zx7UE70Ehs
[19:49] <finelytuned> theres a short tutorial for terminal commands
[20:15] <dwatkins> hi folks, does anyone have an ASUS Eee 901 running a recent linux kernel? I get 'No soundcard found' in my dmesg.
[20:21] <nperry> ohhhh unity update seems stable
[20:21] <nperry> time to try gnome3
[20:22]  * MartijnVdS pokes natty.. go away stupid "global menu"
[20:31] <oly> nperry, are you compiling gnome3 ?
[20:31] <oly> would not mind knowing of a upto date ppa for gnome-shell
[20:31] <oly> been trying the ricotz one but i am not convinced its updated
[20:32] <oly> as i never get updtates in synaptics and its so god damn slow on this laptop it must have some bugs
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> oly: upgrade to natty, it has the newest gnome-shell
[20:32] <MartijnVdS> it doesn't work (for me anyway), but it's there
[20:33] <oly> ah, wanted to stay on 10.10 for now :p
[20:34] <oly> but i know gnome-shell runs along side existing system nicely just was after some debs so i dont have to compile
[20:36] <dutchie> i'm fairly sure there is a g-s ppa
[20:48] <nperry> oly: Im using one in natty repo..
[20:48] <nperry> MartijnVdS: doesn't work for me either
[20:48] <nperry> Just boots into my background
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> ah that's a known bug
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> see Planet Ubuntu, Jamie Strandboge's post
[20:49] <nperry> gnome-shell --replace boots into normal gnome2 though
[20:49] <MartijnVdS> about "bug 683686"
[20:51] <nperry> Lets try that
[20:51] <nperry> Be right back
[20:57] <dwatkins> I guess no-one has an ASUS Eee 901, then.
[20:58] <nperry> Nope didn't work... still went to background, gnome-shell --replace just went to gnome2
[20:58] <oly> wow gnome shell looks much improved over my last look :p
[20:58] <oly> looking at some youtube videos from the last month
[21:02] <ipopey> Lo
[21:02] <nperry> ah evening popey
[21:36] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:36] <czajkowski> ipopey: ello
[21:36] <ipopey> Witches
[21:43]  * DJones wonders what czajkowski  has said to ipopey for him to say Witches as soon as she speaks
[21:43] <ipopey> Heh
[21:43] <ipopey> Stupid spill checker
[21:44] <czajkowski> :s
[21:44] <shauno> someone's come down with a case of iThumbs :/
[21:44]  * czajkowski makes a mental note, no cake for popey 
[21:46] <ipopey> Icake
[21:47] <zleap> what is the other port that cups uses one is 631
[21:51] <ipopey> Didn't know it did
[21:51] <zleap> i am sure there was another one
[21:51] <ipopey> Nmap a box running cups to find out
[21:51] <zleap> my own then
[21:51] <zleap> can i nmap myself
[21:51] <ipopey> Of course
[21:52] <mgdm> 1114?
[21:52] <mgdm> that's what mine's on
[21:52] <mgdm> err, no, wait :P
[21:52] <mgdm> that would be word wrap + process ID
[21:53] <zleap> i set my firewall up last night so I can ssh in to it from my netbook when thenetbook is using the wireless 3 modem thing
[21:53] <zleap> i just wondered if it was then possible to print from that, if I connect to my external ip address, port forward to my printer
[21:53] <ipopey> I wouldn't
[21:53] <zleap> ok
[21:54] <zleap> so if I want to print i should just do it directly, or copy a file with scp then print after ssh'ing in
[21:54] <ipopey> Anyone could potentially print to your machine if you publicise he port surely?
[21:54] <zleap> ok
[21:54] <ipopey> How often do you need to remote print?
[21:54] <zleap> i was just wondering if this was possible
[21:55] <zleap> what i can do, is ssh in and print that way if i really needed ito
[21:55] <zleap> it should be possible to port forward from a random port number say 5555 to 631 on address what ever
[21:56] <ipopey> Sure
[21:56] <zleap> so that way port 631 is not actually open same was as you may not want to publisize port 22 being open so ssh -p 555 forward to port 22 on the home network
[21:56] <ipopey> I still wouldn't :)
[21:56] <zleap> ok
[21:57] <ipopey> I don't recall ever ever needing to print something at home whilst I am out
[21:57] <zleap> ok
[21:57] <ipopey> Fact is i can print whilst out and it will queue up on laptop
[21:57] <zleap> ok
[21:57] <ipopey> Ten will magically spool to print as soon as i get home
[21:57] <nperry> ipopey: is it snowing where you are at the moment
[21:57] <zleap> cool
[21:57] <ipopey> dunno, check the camera :)
[21:58] <ipopey> http://popey.com/webcam/
[21:58] <ipopey> Doesn't look like it
[21:58] <ipopey> Of course I could get up and look
[21:59] <shauno> wow.  now that's taking not having windows to an extreme
[21:59] <Darael> Nope, no falling snow on the popeycam.
[21:59] <nperry> I'll use your camera at work tomorrow morning, as we are delv'ing near you
[21:59] <nperry> I'm upset that there is no snowman though
[21:59] <ipopey> Blinds are closed in this room
[22:00] <ipopey> Too cold to get up
[22:00] <UndiFineD> popey, your bot-like :p
[22:01] <Darael> popey: s/to get up//
[22:04] <nperry> I hate the news, cold chaos.. Have you looked at other countries, say russia which is -20 at the moment..
[22:04] <nperry> Now thats cold but it surely isn't chaos
[22:05] <dogmatic69> i was saying that to someone earlier... places like canada have 100ft of snow and still run like normal
[22:06] <dogmatic69> here there is 2" and new headline "uk spending 1.8b p/d due to cold"
[22:06] <nperry> I work with a couple of polish people, every winter all the schools are open and all the airports
[22:06] <dogmatic69> s/spending/loosing
[22:06] <shauno> it's completely different places like canada tho
[22:06] <dogmatic69> its not like a surprise or anything either... winter is every year
[22:06] <nperry> shauno: but it seems to becoming every winter
[22:07] <nperry> A couple of years back sometimes during a winter we never had snow
[22:07] <dogmatic69> true
[22:07] <shauno> I lived in michigan for a few years.  they had a pretty decent infrastructure in place to deal with snow.  they needed to, because it was pretty much constant for 4 months.
[22:08] <shauno> it's entirely different to dealing with something that may hit for a couple of days (or may not)
[22:08] <nperry> My work is next to local council highway depot, they have used about 50% salt already.. but all the grit lorries are in this evening
[22:08] <nperry> And that was at half 8
[22:09] <nperry> shauno: might as well pay, better be safe then sorry
[22:09] <shauno> I've a feeling it's physically different too, because they don't grit over there.
[22:10] <nperry> Really, moving back to poland. They are gritting roads 24/7 during winter months
[22:11] <shauno> where I was in the us/canada, they just plough it and drive on what's left.  you end up with a pretty permanent ground layer thru most the winter
[22:12] <Pendulum> shauno: we grit in the US
[22:12] <Pendulum> at least where I am
[22:13] <shauno> well, they didn't in north michigan.  which is why I think it's handled differently based on quantities
[22:13] <Pendulum> and while it's not one of the msot heavily snowed areas, we usually get a decent amount of snow (certainly enough that we don't shut down most of the time)
[22:15] <shauno> then you run into other issues, like people here simply not being comfortable driving on it, and crawling around everywhere making a nuisance of themselves.
[22:16] <shauno> not saying it couldn't be handled better here.  just that the difference between getting a shock blast, and something constant and predictable, is pretty high
[22:20]  * Ng idly wonders if anyone has a samsung internet@tv device
[23:37] <jacobw> i think the british have a strange desire to be disrupted by snow and subconsciously don't prepare for the inevitable snowfall :s
[23:42] <Jibadeeha> snow is a good excuse for some to work from home
[23:47] <JamesTait> Fun story about "remote printing".
[23:47] <JamesTait> Couple of weeks ago I was in Buenos Aires for the Web & Mobile sprint.
[23:48] <JamesTait> Friday came and I did the online check-in thing.
[23:48] <JamesTait> I asked Martin, whose apartment we were using, if I could print out the boarding passes.
[23:48] <JamesTait> "Sure," he says, "the printer's on the network. It's an HP. It's the only one."
[23:49] <JamesTait> So I printed to the only printer on the network, which was an HP.
[23:49] <JamesTait> I went to his office, nothing on the printer.
[23:49] <JamesTait> So we did the usual switch off/on, etc.
[23:49] <jpds> http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/England/London~2643743/hour_by_hour.html
[23:49] <JamesTait> I looked at my laptop and there were now two HP printers.
[23:50] <jacobw> o/ jpds
[23:50] <JamesTait> So I asked him which one, and sure enough it was the new one.
[23:50] <jacobw> this happens with Windows and printers JamesTait
[23:50] <JamesTait> We laughed, and moved on.
[23:50] <jacobw> every time a printer is connected, it is added to list of network printers
[23:50] <jacobw> or local printers
[23:51] <JamesTait> This Monday, one of the guys who was also on the sprint started work, having taken the week after the sprint as holiday.
[23:51] <JamesTait> My boarding passes had spooled on his laptop, and printed on his HP printer when he got home. :)
[23:52] <jacobw> ha
[23:53] <JamesTait> Create smarter technology, and we'll find a dafter way to break it. :)
[23:53] <jacobw> true JamesTait