[02:29] <dmcglone> Hiya pals
[02:35] <canthus13> Good morning.
[02:36] <dmcglone> what ya up to today?
[02:37] <canthus13> not much.
[02:38] <dmcglone> I'm back over to Gnome at the moment :-( stability in KDE is crappy at the moment
[02:38] <canthus13> s/crappy at the moment/crappy/
[02:38] <canthus13> and s/stability in//
[02:38] <canthus13> Fixed. :)
[02:39] <dmcglone> lol
[02:41] <dmcglone> I can't say too much for Gnome either. today I right clicked on network manager and the whole computer froze, I had to do a hard shutdown
[02:43] <dmcglone> anyway, I gotta step out of here and get me some rest
[02:44] <dmcglone> I'll see everyone probably tomorrow
[02:44] <canthus13> Wow.  have fun.
[02:44] <dmcglone> I'll try
[02:44] <dmcglone> lol
[02:44] <dmcglone> g'night, have a good one
[03:05] <paultag> Howdy, all
[03:06] <BiosElement> Ahoy paultag
[03:06] <Unit193> Hey paultag
[03:06] <paultag> ahoy
[03:06] <paultag> hey Unit193
[03:37] <canthus13> Woo. I'm now a wanted man in Texas.
[03:38]  * canthus13 just got an arrest warrant notice in the mail for a speeding ticket.
[04:03] <Unit193> canthus13: Run for you life!! ;)
[04:04] <Cheri703> ?
[04:04] <canthus13> Cheri703: Texas has issued a warrent for my arrest.  For a speeding ticket. from 12 years ago.
[04:04] <Cheri703> ha, nice
[04:04] <Cheri703> how did you find out?
[04:05] <canthus13> Cheri703: A card in the mail.
[04:05] <Cheri703> dang...what do you do with that?
[04:05] <canthus13> Stay out of texas 'til I can afford to pay.
[04:06] <Cheri703> can I ask how much it is? does a speeding ticket accrue interest/fees?
[04:06] <Unit193> Did you even know about it before?
[04:13] <canthus13> I forgot about it..
[04:13] <canthus13> It's almost 800 bucks.. Speeding, failure to change address, and associated crap for not showing up in court.
[04:14] <Cheri703> :/ people always ask what could happen if they disregard an out of state ticket...but if you were living there at the time I guess it's different
[04:14] <canthus13> You stay the heck out of that state.. and don't try for a job that requires a criminal background check.
[04:15] <Cheri703> :/ good thing you have a job then
[04:15] <canthus13> Yup.
[04:16] <canthus13> I'm gonna get it paid.  Eventually.  I'll call and see if they'll take some sort of payment plan.
[04:18] <BiosElement> Ouch. Best bet would be to plead your case and hope for the best. >.< If you 'really' forgot about it I'd presume they'd at least hook you up with a plan.
[04:19]  * canthus13 isn't going anywhere near Texas to plead his case. They can't touch him outside Texas, so they can wait.. Once it's paid, he'll be fine.
[04:20] <canthus13> I'll still check and see about payment arrangements, though.
[04:21] <BiosElement> Or you hope they can't touch you outta state. >.> They can still screw things up pretty decent heh
[04:21] <canthus13> Although, it's a good excuse to avoid the inlaws... :)
[04:21] <canthus13> They can't. no state will extradite for a traffic violation.  They won't even bother arresting.  Texas isn't going to send an ADA to present an extradition case for a traffic ticket, either.
[04:22] <canthus13> Apparently, though, texas courts have been doing this a lot... Issuing warrants for stuff as far back as 20 years...
[04:24] <canthus13> I guess they just try to scare the crap out of people in hopes of collecting some fines.
[04:25] <BiosElement> Ironically state courts don't think there's a limit on how far back they can go too...somehow I don't think speeding tickets count in the same category as murder...
[04:26] <Cheri703> that's nice, when rape and such have statutes of limitations >.<
[04:27] <BiosElement> Depends on the state.
[04:28] <BiosElement> Murder isn't dictated on the federal level either
[04:28] <BiosElement> When state/fed laws start mixing, things get so bloody messy >.<
[04:31] <canthus13> Actually, there's a statute of limitations.. But since I've been found guilty in absentia, they don't have to worry about it. Now it's a debt owed to a court. no limit on that.
[05:10] <Unit193> anyone use the getdeb repo?
[05:11] <Cheri703> only once
[05:13] <canthus13> years ago.
[05:15] <Unit193> They didn't just add the repo? (apt-get repo)
[05:17] <Cheri703> I added it to get pidgin 2.7.7
[05:17] <Cheri703> this had directions for adding it: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/install-pidgin-276-in-ubuntu-with-msn.html
[05:20] <Unit193> If I install linux for a friend/relative I'm going to add Getdeb and Medibuntu repos :)
[05:21] <Cheri703> good call
[05:22] <Unit193> Why is DVD not supported by default? (I don't remember)
[05:23] <Cheri703> copyright issues if I recall
[05:27] <Unit193> I asked to see if it was because it was "non-free" (Mint has it by default)
[05:27] <canthus13> DeCSS is illegal to distribute in some countries.
[05:27] <canthus13> The US is one of those countries.
[05:28] <Unit193> Thanks canthus13
[05:28] <canthus13> Yup.
[05:46] <Unit193> Can libdvdcss really enable you to play other region code disks? (from what I see "it will try its best")
[05:47] <Unit193> (client went crazy don't know if I said that)
[06:05] <BiosElement> In concept. >.>
[06:05] <BiosElement> And Wallstreet Journal needs to fire their writer
[06:05] <BiosElement> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704679204575646840288688392.html
[06:06] <BiosElement> "drives up the volume of traffic that companies such as comcast corp must carry"
[06:06] <BiosElement> ^Yeah, how nice of them carrying all that data for free. Awesome how they're all out to help the world eh? ;)
[07:11] <Cheri703> any of you programmer types around tonight? paultag BiosElement ? anyone else that programs and I don't know about?
[07:11] <BiosElement> Mmm Yes?
[07:14] <Cheri703> copied from another room earlier: in ubuntu-accessibility we were talking about the need to make signing the CoC easier, and I thought of having a gui app that would: generate a gpg key, store it, let you import files/text to sign, then output a file/text to be copied and uploaded
[07:14] <Cheri703> NO idea if/how it'd be possible
[07:15] <BiosElement> It'd be possible, although I don't remember how launchpad manages the CoC, I think it was a pain though. It's totally possible though, nothing terribly complex as long as the launchpad folks liked the idea and I don't see why they wouldn't.
[07:15] <Cheri703> well, I'm not even saying that the program would do the uploading, just the creation FOR uploading
[07:16] <Cheri703> basically it'd present the text so you could copy/paste easier
[07:16] <BiosElement> Then yeah, that actually should be pretty simple to do.
[07:16] <Cheri703> without creating/opening/closing/whatever the file a bunch of times and using cli
[07:16] <Cheri703> :D
[07:16] <Cheri703> that'd be awesome
[07:16] <Cheri703> because on the site, the steps are fairly straightforward, it's the local steps that are dumb
[07:17]  * Cheri703 wonders if BiosElement a. has free time, b. likes cookies, c. wants to be her new best friend :D
[07:17] <BiosElement> Heh it'd be pretty simple to do. ^_^
[07:18] <BiosElement> I'd say I would but I'm overbooked at the moment to begin with project-wise. I'll toss it on my todo but you'd probably have better luck sending it to the mailing list or forums.
[07:19] <Cheri703> understandable :)
[07:20] <Cheri703> any basic thoughts on implementation? language, etc? so I could point it in the right direction?
[07:21] <BiosElement> My knee-jerk reaction would be python using something like py-gtk or whatever the gnome folks use these days. >.<
[07:22] <Cheri703> ok
[07:24] <BiosElement> Night folks ^_^
[07:25] <Cheri703> night
[07:25] <Cheri703> and thanks
[12:58] <Navirio1> http://consumerist.com/2010/11/guy-pays-20-million-to-scammers-who-said-his-hard-drive-was-infected.html
[12:58] <Navirio1> best article ive ever seen on consumerist!
[14:01] <paultag> Cheri703, yo
[14:51] <Cheri703> hey paultag
[14:53] <paultag> Cheri703, I'm around :)
[14:53] <paultag> Cheri703, I saw the ping
[14:54] <Cheri703> :) did you see the questions I was asking BiosElement after it?
[14:54] <paultag> Oh, no. sec, scrollup time
[14:55] <paultag> Cheri703, ahha, duane and I were just poking back and forth about that
[14:55] <paultag> Cheri703, you can, no problem, it might just be funky. I like having people forced into reading the document ( personally )
[14:56] <Cheri703> well, being force into reading it is all well and good, but the actual signing process...
[14:56] <thafreak> Morning
[14:56] <Cheri703> *and you don't actually HAVE to read it to sign it as is
[14:57] <paultag> Cheri703, true
[14:57] <Cheri703> that's why I think not only outputting the signed file, but displaying the proper "paste into the box" text would be good
[14:58] <Cheri703> I had some confusion when I did it about how to get the final info to put into LP
[14:59] <Cheri703> and I don't think an app JUST for the CoC, but for gpg signing in general
[14:59] <thafreak> Cheri703: something like that sounds like an ideal use of ubuntu-quickly
[15:00] <thafreak> ubuntu quickly makes it pretty easy to build python-gtk apps for integrating with ubuntu
[15:00] <Cheri703> I am not a programmer :/
[15:00] <paultag> thafreak, that and there are no GPG bindings for Python that work
[15:00] <thafreak> Maybe you are, and you just don't know it yet :)
[15:00] <paultag> thafreak, it's only C / C++, so you'd have to use C+GTK+
[15:00] <thafreak> it's called subprocess module taggy
[15:01] <paultag> thafreak, I know, but you have to use stdio with non-printing input, so it needs a term + ncurses
[15:01] <thafreak> subprocess.popen('gpg -blah blah blah')
[15:01] <paultag> thafreak, so you can't slap it into the interface, or pipe the password in over stdio
[15:01] <paultag> thafreak, it gets it off the term, so you'd have to embed a term
[15:01] <thafreak> are you sure about that?
[15:01] <paultag> thafreak, or write it in c
[15:01] <paultag> thafreak, yes
[15:01] <thafreak> How does seahorse do it?
[15:01] <paultag> thafreak, they wrote a fork of pyme, which is harder to use then anything else in the world
[15:02] <paultag> thafreak, I did this with Doctormo a few months ago
[15:02] <paultag> thafreak, we were going to write a beginners GPG tool
[15:02] <paultag> then we gave up because it's too fucking hard
[15:02] <paultag> https://launchpad.net/starfish
[15:02] <paultag> That's what we had. My code is still checked in
[15:02] <thafreak> --passphrase-fd
[15:03] <paultag> **DEACTIVATED** The requirements for this project are too high and the libraries available to gpg are too broken to make this project possible. We may revisit it if the situation with gpg improves.
[15:03] <thafreak> OR py expect
[15:03] <paultag> EEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW
[15:03] <paultag> expect is suck a kludge
[15:03] <thafreak> I'm just sayin
[15:04] <paultag> it's screenscraping
[15:04] <paultag> thafreak, just use C
[15:04] <thafreak> c defeats the "do it easily" part
[15:04] <paultag> thafreak, for the coder
[15:04] <paultag> thafreak, not the user
[15:05] <thafreak> dude, gpg can use file descriptors...
[15:05] <paultag> thafreak, rock on
[15:05] <paultag> thafreak, that would help
[15:05] <thafreak> probably can wire it up with subprocess then
[15:06] <paultag> thafreak, I'm sure :)
[15:06] <paultag> thafreak, prototype it
[15:06] <thafreak> I will...once I finish my group project for school
[15:06] <Cheri703> well, I have to head out, woke up WAAAAAY later than I should have. I appreciate the thoughts on it :)
[15:06] <paultag> :P
[15:06] <Cheri703> thafreak: if you want more info about what exactly I was picturing, let me know :)
[15:10] <paultag> thafreak, good catch, you rock
[15:27] <thafreak> No prob, and seriously, after the holidays, remind me about this, I will gladly take a project like that on.
[15:28] <thafreak> I just need to get school done, and graduate, then as soon as I graduate, Christmas is like a few days later...
[15:28] <paultag> thafreak, dude, for sure
[15:28] <paultag> thafreak, I totally get it
[15:29] <thafreak> But I'm already filled with hope for a fun and prosperous new year
[15:29] <thafreak> Filled with projects that *I* want to do
[15:29] <paultag> :)
[20:59] <TheErk> Herro
[21:00] <Unit193> Hey TheErk
[21:00] <TheErk> Greetings comrad