| linuxman410 | wrst u here | 03:28 |
|---|---|---|
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: i'm runnint the latest natty very smoothely and actually using unity without much issue | 11:45 |
| cyberanger | wrst: you missed linuxman410 again | 11:52 |
| wrst | yes i noticed cyberanger he was here for all of what one minute 16 seconds | 11:53 |
| wrst | gotta be quick on the typing for him :) | 11:53 |
| * wrst heads off to work be back in a few | 11:53 | |
| cyberanger | wrst: yeah, just hit a key and send a letter, long enough to type a hello ;-) | 12:22 |
| wrst | yeah cyberanger can't expect always immediate response on irc can you? | 12:35 |
| cyberanger | nope | 12:37 |
| wrst | oh well, i suppose we will catch him some time | 12:38 |
| wrst | cyberanger: you must learn to love unity! | 14:10 |
| cyberanger | I'd rather love to disagree | 14:12 |
| wrst | ha ha so i have noticed, well they leave you the option to use the ubuntu classic desktop which i think is a good way to do it | 14:13 |
| cyberanger | true, all it takes is ctrl alt f1 | 14:14 |
| xTEMPLARx | RESIST THE URGE CYBER | 14:15 |
| wrst | hello xTEMPLARx | 14:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | morning | 14:15 |
| cyberanger | or by classic did you mean gnome | 14:15 |
| wrst | its all gnome but its shell-less gnome | 14:15 |
| cyberanger | xTEMPLARx: what urge | 14:15 |
| xTEMPLARx | to CTRL-ALT-F1 | 14:15 |
| cyberanger | xTEMPLARx: your about a year late | 14:16 |
| cyberanger | using the terminal in general, tack on 6 more months | 14:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | well a terminal is necessary | 14:17 |
| * cyberanger is a CLI fan, why xorg | 14:18 | |
| cyberanger | startx, openbox --exit | 14:18 |
| cyberanger | everything I can do via CLI I will, GNU Screen plugs the gap when I gotta cross over, usually for flash (unfortunately) or dvd's | 14:20 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: for a normal user in ubuntu a terminal really isn't necessary | 14:20 |
| cyberanger | wrst: define normal | 14:22 |
| cyberanger | ;-) | 14:23 |
| wrst | cyberanger: about 95% of all computer users normal :P | 14:23 |
| wrst | not super geek that isn't normal :) | 14:23 |
| cyberanger | define 95% | 14:23 |
| * cyberanger isn't gonna let this end soon | 14:24 | |
| wrst | 100-5 cyberanger :) | 14:25 |
| wrst | or widnows and mac users | 14:25 |
| cyberanger | oh, so we're counting mac and windows | 14:26 |
| cyberanger | in other words, users of flawed systems count | 14:26 |
| wrst | well ubuntu is flawed system also they all are | 14:26 |
| xTEMPLARx | blasphemy | 14:27 |
| xTEMPLARx | if I was oper I'd /kick | 14:27 |
| * cyberanger considers that offer | 14:27 | |
| * cyberanger really likes it when people put money where their mouth is | 14:28 | |
| * cyberanger should not have encouraged that | 14:29 | |
| xTEMPLARx | lol it won't let me invite him back | 14:30 |
| cyberanger | I did, he's just not joining, I guess | 14:30 |
| xTEMPLARx | i'm surprised I'm still connected to his quassel :D | 14:31 |
| xTEMPLARx | wb =] | 14:33 |
| wrst | :P | 14:33 |
| wrst | ha ha | 14:33 |
| wrst | thanks xTEMPLARx | 14:33 |
| * wrst rubbs his sore behind | 14:33 | |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 14:33 |
| * xTEMPLARx apologizes | 14:33 | |
| cyberanger | xTEMPLARx was suprised he was still connected to your quassel | 14:33 |
| xTEMPLARx | the devil made me do it! | 14:33 |
| * cyberanger apperently is the devil | 14:34 | |
| wrst | ha ha xTEMPLARx nah i won't disconnect you :) | 14:34 |
| wrst | actually i don't know how :) | 14:34 |
| * cyberanger probally shouldn't have encouraged that | 14:34 | |
| xTEMPLARx | i bet there's a way to do it from the CLI | 14:34 |
| cyberanger | ouch | 14:34 |
| xTEMPLARx | :D | 14:34 |
| xTEMPLARx | it was my idea, so don't feel too bad CA | 14:35 |
| xTEMPLARx | u just facilitate | 14:35 |
| xTEMPLARx | so u weren't the devil, just his advocate | 14:35 |
| wrst | xTEMPLARx: actually that whole deal is through the cli i do know how to use it some :) | 14:35 |
| xTEMPLARx | back on topic, though, my dad's been using his linux install for like a year or two now... never once touches the CLI | 14:35 |
| xTEMPLARx | its funny though | 14:36 |
| xTEMPLARx | every time I go over there he's got panels on all four sides of the screen | 14:36 |
| xTEMPLARx | sometimes multiple panels | 14:36 |
| xTEMPLARx | on each side that is | 14:36 |
| cyberanger | xTEMPLARx: devil's advocate, are you comparing me to steve jobs and Steve Ballmer | 14:36 |
| wrst | yeah that's the great thing about ubuntu you can be like your dad or my mom xTEMPLARx or like cyberanger | 14:36 |
| cyberanger | however it's getting harder to be like cyberanger in ways, for ubuntu | 14:37 |
| xTEMPLARx | yup | 14:37 |
| xTEMPLARx | they're going to foil you yet! | 14:37 |
| cyberanger | no, just push me towards debian | 14:38 |
| xTEMPLARx | they'll send u scampering back to slackware/gentoo before long | 14:38 |
| cyberanger | or backtrack | 14:38 |
| wrst | cyberanger: just use arch | 14:38 |
| wrst | cyberanger: if you start with a cli install isn't it all good for you from there? | 14:39 |
| xTEMPLARx | afk gotta put these drives back in the server box | 14:39 |
| wrst | fine go do work xTEMPLARx :P | 14:40 |
| cyberanger | wrst: from where, a cli install and done ;-) | 14:41 |
| wrst | even you have to use x some | 14:42 |
| wrst | you can't get all your webrosing in links surely :0 | 14:42 |
| cyberanger | I come real close | 14:42 |
| wrst | ha ha | 14:43 |
| xTEMPLARx | so does unity feel like its exerting a much lighter load on the machine you're running it on? | 14:56 |
| xTEMPLARx | lighter than gnome that is | 14:56 |
| xTEMPLARx | or kde | 14:56 |
| wrst | sometimes windows seems lighter than kde | 15:00 |
| wrst | but i can't tell a lot of difference xTEMPLARx but its really early on so hard to tell | 15:00 |
| xTEMPLARx | it'd be nice if it were less bulky while still fancy enough to be fun to use | 15:07 |
| wrst | i don't think you can really get both can you xTEMPLARx? | 15:15 |
| wrst | unless cyberanger has some sorta cli 3d effects :) | 15:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | sure u can | 15:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | figure it | 15:16 |
| wrst | how's that xTEMPLARx? | 15:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | if u start with a honda civic | 15:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | its all slow | 15:16 |
| wrst | ha ha | 15:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | but u can get bolt on stuff | 15:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | makes it more fun | 15:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | more flashy | 15:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | even faster | 15:16 |
| xTEMPLARx | vroom! | 15:17 |
| xTEMPLARx | but | 15:17 |
| xTEMPLARx | if u start with an indy car right outa the gate | 15:17 |
| xTEMPLARx | its lightweight | 15:17 |
| xTEMPLARx | purpose-built | 15:17 |
| xTEMPLARx | but still lots of fun | 15:17 |
| wrst | ha ha | 15:17 |
| xTEMPLARx | brb gonna try something | 15:19 |
| wrst | just saw a hotmail commercial advertising "active view" now you can watch youtube videos in your inbox, i think i have been able to do that with gmail for a year or more now and even in IM windows | 15:19 |
| wrst | oh know what are you trying xTEMPLARx? | 15:20 |
| wrst | *oh no! | 15:20 |
| cyberanger | sudo make ./measandwhich | 15:26 |
| wrst | hungry cyberanger? | 15:26 |
| * cyberanger wonders how he knew :p | 15:27 | |
| cyberanger | yep | 15:28 |
| wrst | well i'm slow but not that slow | 15:28 |
| xTEMPLARx | i had a couple of spare sticks of ram, one of which is questionable | 15:29 |
| xTEMPLARx | but putting them in doubles my ram | 15:29 |
| xTEMPLARx | so | 15:29 |
| xTEMPLARx | i'm gonna try it out and see if it fails :D | 15:29 |
| wrst | ha ha cool xTEMPLARx | 15:30 |
| wrst | what are you up to now? | 15:30 |
| cyberanger | wrst: since I'm into sharing, and that includes file sharing, I feel it's only fair I share my sandwhich, however, I'm lazy so.... | 15:30 |
| wrst | ha ha cyberanger | 15:30 |
| cyberanger | sudo cp ./measandwhich /home/wrst/wrst\'s-sandwhich | 15:31 |
| cyberanger | I had sudo do it | 15:32 |
| Svpernova09 | Proof sandwiches require sudo: http://xkcd.com/149/ | 15:33 |
| xTEMPLARx | rofl | 15:34 |
| wrst | :) | 15:36 |
| cyberanger | Svpernova09: it's not the sandwhich that needed it, it was the roomate refusing to make it | 15:36 |
| cyberanger | still, a classic xkcd | 15:36 |
| Svpernova09 | aye | 15:37 |
| cyberanger | http://xkcd.com/538/ and http://xkcd.com/795/ are my other favorites | 15:38 |
| cyberanger | I'm real big on security, I try to plug any hole, or make it too costly to break into, unfortunately rubber hose cryptnalisis proves to be a cheap stunt | 15:42 |
| cyberanger | effective too, drug him and hit him with this $5 dollar wrench http://xkcd.com/538/ | 15:43 |
| cyberanger | this one burns http://xkcd.com/424/ | 15:46 |
| cyberanger | http://xkcd.com/225/ | 15:48 |
| cyberanger | man, It's hard to pick a top 5 | 15:48 |
| xTEMPLARx | haha i like the second one | 15:53 |
| xTEMPLARx | of the last two u linked | 15:53 |
| cyberanger | linux distro list | 15:57 |
| cyberanger | ? | 16:07 |
| xTEMPLARx | ? | 16:10 |
| wrst | ? | 16:10 |
| cyberanger | xTEMPLARx: which xkcd, the linux distro flaw list | 16:11 |
| xTEMPLARx | no no the ninja one | 16:12 |
| * wrst just likes typing random punctuation marks | 16:17 | |
| wrst | . | 16:17 |
| wrst | ! | 16:17 |
| xTEMPLARx | ~ | 16:19 |
| wrst | , | 16:19 |
| xTEMPLARx | ` | 16:19 |
| wrst | ' | 16:20 |
| xTEMPLARx | | | 16:20 |
| wrst | " | 16:20 |
| xTEMPLARx | \m/ | 16:20 |
| wrst | :) | 16:20 |
| cyberanger | oh, yeah, that one too | 16:20 |
| xTEMPLARx | \m/><\m/ ROCK ON! | 16:20 |
| cyberanger | xTEMPLARx: gnu dawn | 16:20 |
| xTEMPLARx | is that like red dawn? I haven't seen that movie in ages | 16:21 |
| cyberanger | nope, just a stallman reference in the comic | 16:21 |
| Dan9186[MM] | wow i've missed out on a small magazine's worth of conversation | 16:43 |
| cyberanger | that and then some | 16:50 |
| wrst | Dan9186[MM]: calling it conversation might be stretching it :) | 16:52 |
| Dan9186[MM] | a really long string | 16:54 |
| cyberanger | sweet, my mirror seems to be running well, just need to get a bigger drive for it offically | 17:11 |
| wrst | cool cyberanger | 17:28 |
| netritious | Afternoon locotn | 18:46 |
| cyberanger | afternoon netritious | 19:02 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: natty alpha 1 tomorrow | 19:09 |
| netritious | how's it going cyberanger? | 19:17 |
| netritious | sup pace_t_zulu | 19:17 |
| pace_t_zulu | hey netritious | 19:17 |
| pace_t_zulu | what are you up to? | 19:17 |
| netritious | oh you know this that and the other :D | 19:21 |
| cyberanger | netritious: not bad | 19:30 |
| cyberanger | hey pace_t_zulu | 19:30 |
| netritious | Was told today that I was a close second for a systems engineer posistion...the actual hiree "is a drop-in replacement with detailed CentOS experience." | 19:30 |
| cyberanger | CentOS, ugh, been dealing with that alot lately, not a fan is the mild version of my opinion | 19:31 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: i'm using it with unity | 19:31 |
| wrst | natty that is it is really coming along a lot faster than i thought | 19:31 |
| wrst | and wow netritious again ;) | 19:31 |
| * cyberanger hands wrst a debian sid install, lets wrst really try unstable ;-) | 19:31 | |
| * wrst hands cyberanger an arch install cd and says step up to the truly unstable distro | 19:32 | |
| netritious | I was called back for two interviews though, so it wasn't just a brush off | 19:32 |
| netritious | I'm flattered that I was considred :) | 19:33 |
| netritious | *considered | 19:33 |
| wrst | that's cool netritious | 19:33 |
| wrst | didn't realize you were looking | 19:33 |
| netritious | I was contacted | 19:34 |
| wrst | oh that's cool | 19:35 |
| wrst | very cool when someone thinks enough to call you | 19:35 |
| netritious | who can pass up an opportunity like that? :) | 19:35 |
| wrst | exactly cool! | 19:35 |
| netritious | yeah it's all good ;) | 19:35 |
| pace_t_zulu | sup cyberanger | 19:35 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: your running natty native.... right? because unity still doesn't work with virtualbox | 19:36 |
| wrst | yes pace_t_zulu, i'm guessing 3d in virtualbox? | 19:36 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: yea | 19:37 |
| wrst | i always struggle with that on certain hardware | 19:37 |
| cyberanger | pace_t_zulu: not alot, and yet a little of everything | 19:37 |
| cyberanger | ;-) | 19:37 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: enabled 3d and rebuilt the guest additions... still no dice | 19:37 |
| wrst | but its really notbad pace_t_zulu far from complete, but i lvoe the option of "ubuntu classic desktop'' | 19:37 |
| pace_t_zulu | yeah it appears as if they are executing well | 19:37 |
| netritious | cyberanger: I gave CentOS a shot before I ever tried Ubuntu last year in March, but it felt "kludgy"...kind of hard to describe it any other way | 19:38 |
| netritious | I'm not knocking it though...been playing with it more over the past few weeks since the call | 19:38 |
| cyberanger | past few months here | 19:39 |
| wrst | netritious: i looked at it and the packages are just soooo old but of course, for servers that may not be so bad | 19:39 |
| cyberanger | I just can't trust it, it's red hat with older packages | 19:40 |
| cyberanger | and something stale is stable, but what cost for security, I think in ways the balance is off | 19:40 |
| cyberanger | not to metion, I do prefer a debian based system, but I don't think that played too much of a role | 19:42 |
| netritious | I have heard so many people complain about yum it's not funny | 19:45 |
| wrst | netritious: want to hear one more i tried fedora once... YUM SUCKS! | 19:46 |
| netritious | lol wrst | 19:46 |
| wrst | or is that fedora, or is it opensuse? | 19:46 |
| wrst | whatever opensuse has sucks also :) | 19:46 |
| netritious | fedora | 19:46 |
| netritious | haha | 19:46 |
| cyberanger | yast | 19:47 |
| cyberanger | yum | 19:47 |
| cyberanger | apt | 19:47 |
| wrst | yast is worse than yum | 19:47 |
| cyberanger | tarballs | 19:47 |
| wrst | gulf oil spill cyberanger? | 19:48 |
| cyberanger | exe's | 19:48 |
| wrst | ran linux? | 19:48 |
| cyberanger | http://imgur.com/gallery/siGDR | 19:50 |
| cyberanger | all the options above beat compiling it all from source | 19:51 |
| cyberanger | wrst: http://imgur.com/gallery/siGDR | 19:51 |
| wrst | just looked cyberanger ;) | 19:51 |
| wrst | cyberanger: why can't linux410 pop in when we are actually here? and say hello anyone here? | 19:52 |
| cyberanger | better question, why can't he stay and chat, east tn is in here, he's our leader, talk ;-) | 19:53 |
| cyberanger | wrst: isn't that good (it does assums an intelligent facebook, but I'll assume a laugh outta it either way) | 19:54 |
| wrst | cyberanger: i could make room for linuxman on my server to have quassel he could be here all the time | 19:55 |
| wrst | if i let xTEMPLARx do it ... well you know i will let anyone in :) | 19:55 |
| cyberanger | that'd be pointless if he doesn't stay to chat | 19:55 |
| cyberanger | at least this current way we know | 19:56 |
| wrst | but he would always be here so ... yeah thats right :\ | 19:56 |
| wrst | :) | 19:56 |
| cyberanger | we're here more than not, it works for us | 19:56 |
| wrst | yeah good point | 19:57 |
| wrst | and hey i use a client that /away acutally works on cyberanger :P | 19:57 |
| wrst | it actually works on weechat also i noticed i can set it to away and it shows as away here | 19:57 |
| cyberanger | am I away or not? | 19:58 |
| wrst | not away | 19:58 |
| wrst | now you show as away! | 19:59 |
| * wrst has no idea why he is excited | 19:59 | |
| cyberanger | ok, took a bit more than it should | 19:59 |
| cyberanger | but it doesn't show me another user | 20:00 |
| wrst | on weechat i have to type /away and somethign else like /away bed where with quassel it just takes me typing /away | 20:00 |
| wrst | i think ... | 20:00 |
| wrst | yep that did it | 20:00 |
| cyberanger | not seeing it | 20:01 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: fedora is yum | 20:01 |
| wrst | ok cyberanger i will leave it there for a while | 20:02 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: i've never had any luck with fedora never seems to work with any hardware very well that i try it on without a bunch of trouble | 20:02 |
| cyberanger | where do you see it wrst | 20:02 |
| cyberanger | might be one of the plugins | 20:02 |
| cyberanger | might be one of the plugins | 20:03 |
| wrst | in the nick list cyberanger | 20:03 |
| wrst | i think i see it there in wee chat also cyberanger hangon | 20:03 |
| cyberanger | no, ChanServ has @ fo op, that's all I see | 20:03 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: i run it in virtualbox | 20:04 |
| wrst_weechat | ahh it doesn't show on weechat | 20:04 |
| wrst | do you like it pace_t_zulu i haven't given it much of a chance? | 20:04 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: it stays closer to upstream ... | 20:04 |
| cyberanger | wrst: wasn't seeing it in whois or via nickserv either | 20:05 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: it's ok... just some things are different | 20:05 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: ubuntu is still easier to work with | 20:05 |
| wrst | yeah pace_t_zulu i know its supposed to be a little more "bleeding" edge but i've found arch to be more bleeding and easier to use | 20:07 |
| wrst | yeah cyberanger i'm badly mistaken it appears... nothing new to me :) | 20:08 |
| wrst | cyberanger: shellium has a real old version of weechat | 20:11 |
| wrst | they run debian though right? | 20:11 |
| cyberanger | debian | 20:12 |
| cyberanger | but I run lucid atm | 20:12 |
| wrst | i am too on my server | 20:12 |
| cyberanger | (next year I'm gonna get this linode instance onto squeeze) | 20:12 |
| wrst | i have thought about using debian on my server but i really don't want to fight it and ubuntu does everything i need automagically | 20:13 |
| cyberanger | fight what? | 20:16 |
| cyberanger | I'm considering it for the fact it's a rolling release | 20:17 |
| cyberanger | why bother upgrading every 6 months for a static install, with updates the thing that changes | 20:18 |
| wrst | but isn't squeeze kinda the testing sorta thing or something ? | 20:19 |
| cyberanger | yep | 20:21 |
| cyberanger | rolling | 20:21 |
| cyberanger | they'll snapshot testing, for making 6.0 | 20:21 |
| wrst | just go with arch cyberanger :) | 20:23 |
| cyberanger | it's also a thought, for a shell | 20:25 |
| Svpernova09 | <3 debian But it's been a couple years since I used it. | 20:41 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: the nicest thing i know of in fedora is side by side python 2.x and 3.x | 20:42 |
| wrst | pace_t_zulu: yeah i got that accidently in arch :) | 20:44 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: yea that's very useful for a python dev | 20:44 |
| wrst | caused most everything not to work, but it made me be a minor coder to go in and redircet all my apps to python2 :) | 20:44 |
| pace_t_zulu | wrst: python is fun | 20:45 |
| xTEMPLARx | anybody actually using python 3 yet? | 21:05 |
| wrst | some things work with it xTEMPLARx as i found it in arch | 21:09 |
| wrst | don't know if that is intentional or not :) | 21:10 |
| xTEMPLARx | lol | 21:26 |
| xTEMPLARx | when i piddled around with python, everything I read flat out said that yeah, python 3 is here, but nobody's using it so don't bother learning it. | 21:26 |
| xTEMPLARx | and that was a while ago | 21:26 |
| netritious | xTEMPLARx! what's up mayne | 22:28 |
| netritious | guess everyone out east is gone home :-/ | 22:30 |
| pace_t_zulu | for command line lovers: http://houcemhachicha.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-top-ten-shellbash-tricks.html | 22:58 |
| netritious | thanks pace_t_zulu | 23:19 |
| netritious | I didn't know about tab,tab and sudo !! | 23:20 |
| * wrst goes to learn something :) | 23:20 | |
| pace_t_zulu | ;) | 23:21 |
| wrst | good one pace_t_zulu i didn't know about the sudo!! i do that all the time | 23:22 |
| pace_t_zulu | basically !! runs the last command | 23:23 |
| pace_t_zulu | try it with ls | 23:23 |
| pace_t_zulu | ls | 23:23 |
| pace_t_zulu | !! | 23:23 |
| netritious | fork bomb FTW! | 23:26 |
| netritious | :(){ :|:& };: | 23:26 |
| wrst | fork bomb... i gotta try that | 23:34 |
| wrst | that makes such a pretty picture | 23:34 |
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