[03:28] <linuxman410> wrst u here
[11:45] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i'm runnint the latest natty very smoothely and actually using unity without much issue
[11:52] <cyberanger> wrst: you missed linuxman410 again
[11:53] <wrst> yes i noticed cyberanger he was here for all of what one minute 16 seconds
[11:53] <wrst> gotta be quick on the typing for him :)
[11:53]  * wrst heads off to work be back in a few
[12:22] <cyberanger> wrst: yeah, just hit a key and send a letter, long enough to type a hello ;-)
[12:35] <wrst> yeah cyberanger can't expect always immediate response on irc can you?
[12:37] <cyberanger> nope
[12:38] <wrst> oh well, i suppose we will catch him some time
[14:10] <wrst> cyberanger: you must learn to love unity!
[14:12] <cyberanger> I'd rather love to disagree
[14:13] <wrst> ha ha so i have noticed, well they leave you the option to use the ubuntu classic desktop which i think is a good way to do it
[14:14] <cyberanger> true, all it takes is ctrl alt f1
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> RESIST THE URGE CYBER
[14:15] <wrst> hello xTEMPLARx
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> morning
[14:15] <cyberanger> or by classic did you mean gnome
[14:15] <wrst> its all gnome but its shell-less gnome
[14:15] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx: what urge
[14:15] <xTEMPLARx> to CTRL-ALT-F1
[14:16] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx: your about a year late
[14:16] <cyberanger> using the terminal in general, tack on 6 more months
[14:17] <xTEMPLARx> well a terminal is necessary
[14:18]  * cyberanger is a CLI fan, why xorg
[14:18] <cyberanger> startx, openbox --exit
[14:20] <cyberanger> everything I can do via CLI I will, GNU Screen plugs the gap when I gotta cross over, usually for flash (unfortunately) or dvd's
[14:20] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: for a normal user in ubuntu a terminal really isn't necessary
[14:22] <cyberanger> wrst: define normal
[14:23] <cyberanger> ;-)
[14:23] <wrst> cyberanger: about 95% of all computer users normal :P
[14:23] <wrst> not super geek that isn't normal :)
[14:23] <cyberanger> define 95%
[14:24]  * cyberanger isn't gonna let this end soon
[14:25] <wrst> 100-5 cyberanger :)
[14:25] <wrst> or widnows and mac users
[14:26] <cyberanger> oh, so we're counting mac and windows
[14:26] <cyberanger> in other words, users of flawed systems count
[14:26] <wrst> well ubuntu is  flawed system also they all are
[14:27] <xTEMPLARx> blasphemy
[14:27] <xTEMPLARx> if I was oper I'd /kick
[14:27]  * cyberanger considers that offer
[14:28]  * cyberanger really likes it when people put money where their mouth is
[14:29]  * cyberanger should not have encouraged that
[14:30] <xTEMPLARx> lol it won't let me invite him back
[14:30] <cyberanger> I did, he's just not joining, I guess
[14:31] <xTEMPLARx> i'm surprised I'm still connected to his quassel :D
[14:33] <xTEMPLARx> wb =]
[14:33] <wrst> :P
[14:33] <wrst> ha ha
[14:33] <wrst> thanks xTEMPLARx
[14:33]  * wrst rubbs his sore behind
[14:33] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[14:33]  * xTEMPLARx apologizes
[14:33] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx was suprised he was still connected to your quassel
[14:33] <xTEMPLARx> the devil made me do it!
[14:34]  * cyberanger apperently is the devil
[14:34] <wrst> ha ha xTEMPLARx nah i won't disconnect you :)
[14:34] <wrst> actually i don't know how :)
[14:34]  * cyberanger probally shouldn't have encouraged that
[14:34] <xTEMPLARx> i bet there's a way to do it from the CLI
[14:34] <cyberanger> ouch
[14:34] <xTEMPLARx> :D
[14:35] <xTEMPLARx> it was my idea, so don't feel too bad CA
[14:35] <xTEMPLARx> u just facilitate
[14:35] <xTEMPLARx> so u weren't the devil, just his advocate
[14:35] <wrst> xTEMPLARx: actually that whole deal is through the cli i do know how to use it some :)
[14:35] <xTEMPLARx> back on topic, though, my dad's been using his linux install for like a year or two now... never once touches the CLI
[14:36] <xTEMPLARx> its funny though
[14:36] <xTEMPLARx> every time I go over there he's got panels on all four sides of the screen
[14:36] <xTEMPLARx> sometimes multiple panels
[14:36] <xTEMPLARx> on each side that is
[14:36] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx: devil's advocate, are you comparing me to steve jobs and Steve Ballmer
[14:36] <wrst> yeah that's the great thing about ubuntu you can be like your dad or my mom xTEMPLARx or like cyberanger
[14:37] <cyberanger> however it's getting harder to be like cyberanger in ways, for ubuntu
[14:37] <xTEMPLARx> yup
[14:37] <xTEMPLARx> they're going to foil you yet!
[14:38] <cyberanger> no, just push me towards debian
[14:38] <xTEMPLARx> they'll send u scampering back to slackware/gentoo before long
[14:38] <cyberanger> or backtrack
[14:38] <wrst> cyberanger: just use arch
[14:39] <wrst> cyberanger: if you start with a cli install isn't it all good for you from there?
[14:39] <xTEMPLARx> afk gotta put these drives back in the server box
[14:40] <wrst> fine go do work xTEMPLARx :P
[14:41] <cyberanger> wrst: from where, a cli install and done ;-)
[14:42] <wrst> even you have to use x some
[14:42] <wrst> you can't get all your webrosing in links surely :0
[14:42] <cyberanger> I come real close
[14:43] <wrst> ha ha
[14:56] <xTEMPLARx> so does unity feel like its exerting a much lighter load on the machine you're running it on?
[14:56] <xTEMPLARx> lighter than gnome that is
[14:56] <xTEMPLARx> or kde
[15:00] <wrst> sometimes windows seems lighter than kde
[15:00] <wrst> but i can't tell a lot of difference xTEMPLARx but its really early on so hard to tell
[15:07] <xTEMPLARx> it'd be nice if it were less bulky while still fancy enough to be fun to use
[15:15] <wrst> i don't think you can really get both can you xTEMPLARx?
[15:16] <wrst> unless cyberanger has some sorta cli 3d effects :)
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> sure u can
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> figure it
[15:16] <wrst> how's that xTEMPLARx?
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> if u start with a honda civic
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> its all slow
[15:16] <wrst> ha ha
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> but u can get bolt on stuff
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> makes it more fun
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> more flashy
[15:16] <xTEMPLARx> even faster
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> vroom!
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> but
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> if u start with an indy car right outa the gate
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> its lightweight
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> purpose-built
[15:17] <xTEMPLARx> but still lots of fun
[15:17] <wrst> ha ha
[15:19] <xTEMPLARx> brb gonna try something
[15:19] <wrst> just saw a hotmail commercial advertising "active view" now you can watch youtube videos in your inbox, i think i have been able to do that with gmail for a year or more now and even in IM windows
[15:20] <wrst> oh know what are you trying xTEMPLARx?
[15:20] <wrst> *oh no!
[15:26] <cyberanger> sudo make ./measandwhich
[15:26] <wrst> hungry cyberanger?
[15:27]  * cyberanger wonders how he knew :p
[15:28] <cyberanger> yep
[15:28] <wrst> well i'm slow but not that slow
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> i had a couple of spare sticks of ram, one of which is questionable
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> but putting them in doubles my ram
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> so
[15:29] <xTEMPLARx> i'm gonna try it out and see if it fails :D
[15:30] <wrst> ha ha cool xTEMPLARx
[15:30] <wrst> what are you up to now?
[15:30] <cyberanger> wrst: since I'm into sharing, and that includes file sharing, I feel it's only fair I share my sandwhich, however, I'm lazy so....
[15:30] <wrst> ha ha cyberanger
[15:31] <cyberanger> sudo cp ./measandwhich /home/wrst/wrst\'s-sandwhich
[15:32] <cyberanger> I had sudo do it
[15:33] <Svpernova09> Proof sandwiches require sudo: http://xkcd.com/149/
[15:34] <xTEMPLARx> rofl
[15:36] <wrst> :)
[15:36] <cyberanger> Svpernova09: it's not the sandwhich that needed it, it was the roomate refusing to make it
[15:36] <cyberanger> still, a classic xkcd
[15:37] <Svpernova09> aye
[15:38] <cyberanger> http://xkcd.com/538/ and http://xkcd.com/795/ are my other favorites
[15:42] <cyberanger> I'm real big on security, I try to plug any hole, or make it too costly to break into, unfortunately rubber hose cryptnalisis proves  to  be a cheap stunt
[15:43] <cyberanger> effective too, drug him and hit him with this $5 dollar wrench http://xkcd.com/538/
[15:46] <cyberanger> this one burns http://xkcd.com/424/
[15:48] <cyberanger> http://xkcd.com/225/
[15:48] <cyberanger> man, It's hard to pick a top 5
[15:53] <xTEMPLARx> haha i like the second one
[15:53] <xTEMPLARx> of the last two u linked
[15:57] <cyberanger> linux distro list
[16:07] <cyberanger> ?
[16:10] <xTEMPLARx> ?
[16:10] <wrst> ?
[16:11] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx: which xkcd, the linux distro flaw list
[16:12] <xTEMPLARx> no no the ninja one
[16:17]  * wrst just likes typing random punctuation marks
[16:17] <wrst> .
[16:17] <wrst> !
[16:19] <xTEMPLARx> ~
[16:19] <wrst> ,
[16:19] <xTEMPLARx> `
[16:20] <wrst> '
[16:20] <xTEMPLARx> |
[16:20] <wrst> "
[16:20] <xTEMPLARx> \m/
[16:20] <wrst> :)
[16:20] <cyberanger> oh, yeah, that one too
[16:20] <xTEMPLARx> \m/><\m/  ROCK ON!
[16:20] <cyberanger> xTEMPLARx: gnu dawn
[16:21] <xTEMPLARx> is that like red dawn?  I haven't seen that movie in ages
[16:21] <cyberanger> nope, just a stallman reference in the comic
[16:43] <Dan9186[MM]> wow i've missed out on a small magazine's worth of conversation
[16:50] <cyberanger> that and then some
[16:52] <wrst> Dan9186[MM]: calling it conversation might be stretching it :)
[16:54] <Dan9186[MM]> a really long string
[17:11] <cyberanger> sweet, my mirror seems to be running well, just need to get a bigger drive for it offically
[17:28] <wrst> cool cyberanger
[18:46] <netritious> Afternoon locotn
[19:02] <cyberanger> afternoon netritious
[19:09] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: natty alpha 1 tomorrow
[19:17] <netritious> how's it going cyberanger?
[19:17] <netritious> sup pace_t_zulu
[19:17] <pace_t_zulu> hey netritious
[19:17] <pace_t_zulu> what are you up to?
[19:21] <netritious> oh you know this that and the other :D
[19:30] <cyberanger> netritious: not bad
[19:30] <cyberanger> hey pace_t_zulu
[19:30] <netritious> Was told today that I was a close second for a systems engineer posistion...the actual hiree "is a drop-in replacement with detailed CentOS experience."
[19:31] <cyberanger> CentOS, ugh, been dealing with that alot lately, not a fan is the mild version of my opinion
[19:31] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i'm using it with unity
[19:31] <wrst> natty that is it is really coming along a lot faster than i thought
[19:31] <wrst> and wow netritious again ;)
[19:31]  * cyberanger hands wrst a debian sid install, lets wrst really try unstable ;-)
[19:32]  * wrst hands cyberanger an arch install cd and says step up to the truly unstable distro
[19:32] <netritious> I was called back for two interviews though, so it wasn't just a brush off
[19:33] <netritious> I'm flattered that I was considred :)
[19:33] <netritious> *considered
[19:33] <wrst> that's cool netritious
[19:33] <wrst> didn't realize you were looking
[19:34] <netritious> I was contacted
[19:35] <wrst> oh that's cool
[19:35] <wrst> very cool when someone thinks enough to call you
[19:35] <netritious> who can pass up an opportunity like that? :)
[19:35] <wrst> exactly cool!
[19:35] <netritious> yeah it's all good ;)
[19:35] <pace_t_zulu> sup cyberanger
[19:36] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: your running natty native.... right? because unity still doesn't work with virtualbox
[19:36] <wrst> yes pace_t_zulu, i'm guessing 3d in virtualbox?
[19:37] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea
[19:37] <wrst> i always struggle with that on certain hardware
[19:37] <cyberanger> pace_t_zulu: not alot, and yet a little of everything
[19:37] <cyberanger> ;-)
[19:37] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: enabled 3d and rebuilt the guest additions... still no dice
[19:37] <wrst> but its really notbad pace_t_zulu far from complete, but i lvoe the option of "ubuntu classic desktop''
[19:37] <pace_t_zulu> yeah it appears as if they are executing well
[19:38] <netritious> cyberanger: I gave CentOS a shot before I ever tried Ubuntu last year in March, but it felt "kludgy"...kind of hard to describe it any other way
[19:38] <netritious> I'm not knocking it though...been playing with it more over the past few weeks since the call
[19:39] <cyberanger> past few months here
[19:39] <wrst> netritious:  i looked at it and the packages are just soooo old but of course, for servers that may not be so bad
[19:40] <cyberanger> I just can't trust it, it's red hat with older packages
[19:40] <cyberanger> and something stale is stable, but what cost for security, I think in ways the balance is off
[19:42] <cyberanger> not to metion, I do prefer a debian based system, but I don't think that played too much of a role
[19:45] <netritious> I have heard so many people complain about yum it's not funny
[19:46] <wrst> netritious: want to hear one more i tried fedora once... YUM SUCKS!
[19:46] <netritious> lol wrst
[19:46] <wrst> or is that fedora, or is it opensuse?
[19:46] <wrst> whatever opensuse has sucks also :)
[19:46] <netritious> fedora
[19:46] <netritious> haha
[19:47] <cyberanger> yast
[19:47] <cyberanger> yum
[19:47] <cyberanger> apt
[19:47] <wrst> yast is worse than yum
[19:47] <cyberanger> tarballs
[19:48] <wrst> gulf oil spill cyberanger?
[19:48] <cyberanger> exe's
[19:48] <wrst> ran linux?
[19:50] <cyberanger> http://imgur.com/gallery/siGDR
[19:51] <cyberanger> all the options above beat compiling it all from source
[19:51] <cyberanger> wrst: http://imgur.com/gallery/siGDR
[19:51] <wrst> just looked cyberanger ;)
[19:52] <wrst> cyberanger: why can't linux410 pop in when we are actually here? and say hello anyone here?
[19:53] <cyberanger> better question, why can't he stay and chat, east tn is in here, he's our leader, talk ;-)
[19:54] <cyberanger> wrst: isn't that good (it does assums an intelligent facebook, but I'll assume a laugh outta it either way)
[19:55] <wrst> cyberanger:  i could make room for linuxman on my server to have quassel he could be here all the time
[19:55] <wrst> if i let xTEMPLARx do it ... well you know i will let anyone in :)
[19:55] <cyberanger> that'd be pointless if he doesn't stay to chat
[19:56] <cyberanger> at least this current way we know
[19:56] <wrst> but he would always be here so ... yeah thats right :\
[19:56] <wrst> :)
[19:56] <cyberanger> we're here more than not, it works for us
[19:57] <wrst> yeah good point
[19:57] <wrst> and hey i use a client that /away acutally works on cyberanger :P
[19:57] <wrst> it actually works on weechat also i noticed i can set it to away and it shows as away here
[19:58] <cyberanger> am I away or not?
[19:58] <wrst> not away
[19:59] <wrst> now you show as away!
[19:59]  * wrst has no idea why he is excited
[19:59] <cyberanger> ok, took a bit more than it should
[20:00] <cyberanger> but it doesn't show me another user
[20:00] <wrst> on weechat i have to type /away and somethign else like /away bed where with quassel it just takes me typing /away
[20:00] <wrst> i think ...
[20:00] <wrst> yep that did it
[20:01] <cyberanger> not seeing it
[20:01] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: fedora is yum
[20:02] <wrst> ok cyberanger i will leave it there for a while
[20:02] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: i've never had any luck with fedora never seems to work with any hardware very well that i try it on without a bunch of trouble
[20:02] <cyberanger> where do you see it wrst
[20:02] <cyberanger> might be one of the plugins
[20:03] <cyberanger> might be one of the plugins
[20:03] <wrst> in the nick list cyberanger
[20:03] <wrst> i think i see it there in wee chat also cyberanger hangon
[20:03] <cyberanger> no, ChanServ has @ fo op, that's all I see
[20:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: i run it in virtualbox
[20:04] <wrst_weechat> ahh it doesn't show on weechat
[20:04] <wrst> do you like it pace_t_zulu i haven't given it much of a chance?
[20:04] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: it stays closer to upstream ...
[20:05] <cyberanger> wrst: wasn't seeing it in whois or via nickserv either
[20:05] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: it's ok... just some things are different
[20:05] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: ubuntu is still easier to work with
[20:07] <wrst> yeah pace_t_zulu i know its supposed to be a little more "bleeding" edge but i've found arch to be more bleeding and easier to use
[20:08] <wrst> yeah cyberanger i'm badly mistaken it appears... nothing new to me :)
[20:11] <wrst> cyberanger:  shellium has a real old version of weechat
[20:11] <wrst> they run debian though right?
[20:12] <cyberanger> debian
[20:12] <cyberanger> but I run lucid atm
[20:12] <wrst> i am too on my server
[20:12] <cyberanger> (next year I'm gonna get this linode instance onto squeeze)
[20:13] <wrst> i have thought about using debian on my server but i really don't want to fight it and ubuntu does everything i need automagically
[20:16] <cyberanger> fight what?
[20:17] <cyberanger> I'm considering it for the fact it's a rolling release
[20:18] <cyberanger> why bother upgrading every 6 months for a static install, with updates the thing that changes
[20:19] <wrst> but isn't squeeze kinda the testing sorta thing or something ?
[20:21] <cyberanger> yep
[20:21] <cyberanger> rolling
[20:21] <cyberanger> they'll snapshot testing, for making 6.0
[20:23] <wrst> just go with arch cyberanger :)
[20:25] <cyberanger> it's also a thought, for a shell
[20:41] <Svpernova09> <3 debian But it's been a couple years since I used it.
[20:42] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: the nicest thing i know of in fedora is side by side python 2.x and 3.x
[20:44] <wrst> pace_t_zulu: yeah i got that accidently in arch :)
[20:44] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: yea that's very useful for a python dev
[20:44] <wrst> caused most everything not to work, but it made me be a minor coder to go in and redircet all my apps to python2 :)
[20:45] <pace_t_zulu> wrst: python is fun
[21:05] <xTEMPLARx> anybody actually using python 3 yet?
[21:09] <wrst> some things work with it xTEMPLARx as i found it in arch
[21:10] <wrst> don't know if that is intentional or not :)
[21:26] <xTEMPLARx> lol
[21:26] <xTEMPLARx> when i piddled around with python, everything I read flat out said that yeah, python 3 is here, but nobody's using it so don't bother learning it.
[21:26] <xTEMPLARx> and that was a while ago
[22:28] <netritious> xTEMPLARx! what's up mayne
[22:30] <netritious> guess everyone out east is gone home :-/
[22:58] <pace_t_zulu> for command line lovers: http://houcemhachicha.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-top-ten-shellbash-tricks.html
[23:19] <netritious> thanks pace_t_zulu
[23:20] <netritious> I didn't know about tab,tab and sudo !!
[23:20]  * wrst goes to learn something :)
[23:21] <pace_t_zulu> ;)
[23:22] <wrst> good one pace_t_zulu i didn't know about the sudo!! i do that all the time
[23:23] <pace_t_zulu> basically !! runs the last command
[23:23] <pace_t_zulu> try it with ls
[23:23] <pace_t_zulu> ls
[23:23] <pace_t_zulu> !!
[23:26] <netritious> fork bomb FTW!
[23:26] <netritious>  :(){ :|:& };:
[23:34] <wrst> fork bomb... i gotta try that
[23:34] <wrst> that makes such a pretty picture