[03:28] wrst u here [11:45] pace_t_zulu: i'm runnint the latest natty very smoothely and actually using unity without much issue [11:52] wrst: you missed linuxman410 again [11:53] yes i noticed cyberanger he was here for all of what one minute 16 seconds [11:53] gotta be quick on the typing for him :) [11:53] * wrst heads off to work be back in a few [12:22] wrst: yeah, just hit a key and send a letter, long enough to type a hello ;-) [12:35] yeah cyberanger can't expect always immediate response on irc can you? [12:37] nope [12:38] oh well, i suppose we will catch him some time [14:10] cyberanger: you must learn to love unity! [14:12] I'd rather love to disagree [14:13] ha ha so i have noticed, well they leave you the option to use the ubuntu classic desktop which i think is a good way to do it [14:14] true, all it takes is ctrl alt f1 [14:15] RESIST THE URGE CYBER [14:15] hello xTEMPLARx [14:15] morning [14:15] or by classic did you mean gnome [14:15] its all gnome but its shell-less gnome [14:15] xTEMPLARx: what urge [14:15] to CTRL-ALT-F1 [14:16] xTEMPLARx: your about a year late [14:16] using the terminal in general, tack on 6 more months [14:17] well a terminal is necessary [14:18] * cyberanger is a CLI fan, why xorg [14:18] startx, openbox --exit [14:20] everything I can do via CLI I will, GNU Screen plugs the gap when I gotta cross over, usually for flash (unfortunately) or dvd's [14:20] xTEMPLARx: for a normal user in ubuntu a terminal really isn't necessary [14:22] wrst: define normal [14:23] ;-) [14:23] cyberanger: about 95% of all computer users normal :P [14:23] not super geek that isn't normal :) [14:23] define 95% [14:24] * cyberanger isn't gonna let this end soon [14:25] 100-5 cyberanger :) [14:25] or widnows and mac users [14:26] oh, so we're counting mac and windows [14:26] in other words, users of flawed systems count [14:26] well ubuntu is flawed system also they all are [14:27] blasphemy [14:27] if I was oper I'd /kick [14:27] * cyberanger considers that offer [14:28] * cyberanger really likes it when people put money where their mouth is [14:29] * cyberanger should not have encouraged that [14:30] lol it won't let me invite him back [14:30] I did, he's just not joining, I guess [14:31] i'm surprised I'm still connected to his quassel :D [14:33] wb =] [14:33] :P [14:33] ha ha [14:33] thanks xTEMPLARx [14:33] * wrst rubbs his sore behind [14:33] :D [14:33] * xTEMPLARx apologizes [14:33] xTEMPLARx was suprised he was still connected to your quassel [14:33] the devil made me do it! [14:34] * cyberanger apperently is the devil [14:34] ha ha xTEMPLARx nah i won't disconnect you :) [14:34] actually i don't know how :) [14:34] * cyberanger probally shouldn't have encouraged that [14:34] i bet there's a way to do it from the CLI [14:34] ouch [14:34] :D [14:35] it was my idea, so don't feel too bad CA [14:35] u just facilitate [14:35] so u weren't the devil, just his advocate [14:35] xTEMPLARx: actually that whole deal is through the cli i do know how to use it some :) [14:35] back on topic, though, my dad's been using his linux install for like a year or two now... never once touches the CLI [14:36] its funny though [14:36] every time I go over there he's got panels on all four sides of the screen [14:36] sometimes multiple panels [14:36] on each side that is [14:36] xTEMPLARx: devil's advocate, are you comparing me to steve jobs and Steve Ballmer [14:36] yeah that's the great thing about ubuntu you can be like your dad or my mom xTEMPLARx or like cyberanger [14:37] however it's getting harder to be like cyberanger in ways, for ubuntu [14:37] yup [14:37] they're going to foil you yet! [14:38] no, just push me towards debian [14:38] they'll send u scampering back to slackware/gentoo before long [14:38] or backtrack [14:38] cyberanger: just use arch [14:39] cyberanger: if you start with a cli install isn't it all good for you from there? [14:39] afk gotta put these drives back in the server box [14:40] fine go do work xTEMPLARx :P [14:41] wrst: from where, a cli install and done ;-) [14:42] even you have to use x some [14:42] you can't get all your webrosing in links surely :0 [14:42] I come real close [14:43] ha ha [14:56] so does unity feel like its exerting a much lighter load on the machine you're running it on? [14:56] lighter than gnome that is [14:56] or kde [15:00] sometimes windows seems lighter than kde [15:00] but i can't tell a lot of difference xTEMPLARx but its really early on so hard to tell [15:07] it'd be nice if it were less bulky while still fancy enough to be fun to use [15:15] i don't think you can really get both can you xTEMPLARx? [15:16] unless cyberanger has some sorta cli 3d effects :) [15:16] sure u can [15:16] figure it [15:16] how's that xTEMPLARx? [15:16] if u start with a honda civic [15:16] its all slow [15:16] ha ha [15:16] but u can get bolt on stuff [15:16] makes it more fun [15:16] more flashy [15:16] even faster [15:17] vroom! [15:17] but [15:17] if u start with an indy car right outa the gate [15:17] its lightweight [15:17] purpose-built [15:17] but still lots of fun [15:17] ha ha [15:19] brb gonna try something [15:19] just saw a hotmail commercial advertising "active view" now you can watch youtube videos in your inbox, i think i have been able to do that with gmail for a year or more now and even in IM windows [15:20] oh know what are you trying xTEMPLARx? [15:20] *oh no! [15:26] sudo make ./measandwhich [15:26] hungry cyberanger? [15:27] * cyberanger wonders how he knew :p [15:28] yep [15:28] well i'm slow but not that slow [15:29] i had a couple of spare sticks of ram, one of which is questionable [15:29] but putting them in doubles my ram [15:29] so [15:29] i'm gonna try it out and see if it fails :D [15:30] ha ha cool xTEMPLARx [15:30] what are you up to now? [15:30] wrst: since I'm into sharing, and that includes file sharing, I feel it's only fair I share my sandwhich, however, I'm lazy so.... [15:30] ha ha cyberanger [15:31] sudo cp ./measandwhich /home/wrst/wrst\'s-sandwhich [15:32] I had sudo do it [15:33] Proof sandwiches require sudo: http://xkcd.com/149/ [15:34] rofl [15:36] :) [15:36] Svpernova09: it's not the sandwhich that needed it, it was the roomate refusing to make it [15:36] still, a classic xkcd [15:37] aye [15:38] http://xkcd.com/538/ and http://xkcd.com/795/ are my other favorites [15:42] I'm real big on security, I try to plug any hole, or make it too costly to break into, unfortunately rubber hose cryptnalisis proves to be a cheap stunt [15:43] effective too, drug him and hit him with this $5 dollar wrench http://xkcd.com/538/ [15:46] this one burns http://xkcd.com/424/ [15:48] http://xkcd.com/225/ [15:48] man, It's hard to pick a top 5 [15:53] haha i like the second one [15:53] of the last two u linked [15:57] linux distro list [16:07] ? [16:10] ? [16:10] ? [16:11] xTEMPLARx: which xkcd, the linux distro flaw list [16:12] no no the ninja one [16:17] * wrst just likes typing random punctuation marks [16:17] . [16:17] ! [16:19] ~ [16:19] , [16:19] ` [16:20] ' [16:20] | [16:20] " [16:20] \m/ [16:20] :) [16:20] oh, yeah, that one too [16:20] \m/><\m/ ROCK ON! [16:20] xTEMPLARx: gnu dawn [16:21] is that like red dawn? I haven't seen that movie in ages [16:21] nope, just a stallman reference in the comic [16:43] wow i've missed out on a small magazine's worth of conversation [16:50] that and then some [16:52] Dan9186[MM]: calling it conversation might be stretching it :) [16:54] a really long string [17:11] sweet, my mirror seems to be running well, just need to get a bigger drive for it offically [17:28] cool cyberanger [18:46] Afternoon locotn [19:02] afternoon netritious [19:09] wrst: natty alpha 1 tomorrow [19:17] how's it going cyberanger? [19:17] sup pace_t_zulu [19:17] hey netritious [19:17] what are you up to? [19:21] oh you know this that and the other :D [19:30] netritious: not bad [19:30] hey pace_t_zulu [19:30] Was told today that I was a close second for a systems engineer posistion...the actual hiree "is a drop-in replacement with detailed CentOS experience." [19:31] CentOS, ugh, been dealing with that alot lately, not a fan is the mild version of my opinion [19:31] pace_t_zulu: i'm using it with unity [19:31] natty that is it is really coming along a lot faster than i thought [19:31] and wow netritious again ;) [19:31] * cyberanger hands wrst a debian sid install, lets wrst really try unstable ;-) [19:32] * wrst hands cyberanger an arch install cd and says step up to the truly unstable distro [19:32] I was called back for two interviews though, so it wasn't just a brush off [19:33] I'm flattered that I was considred :) [19:33] *considered [19:33] that's cool netritious [19:33] didn't realize you were looking [19:34] I was contacted [19:35] oh that's cool [19:35] very cool when someone thinks enough to call you [19:35] who can pass up an opportunity like that? :) [19:35] exactly cool! [19:35] yeah it's all good ;) [19:35] sup cyberanger [19:36] wrst: your running natty native.... right? because unity still doesn't work with virtualbox [19:36] yes pace_t_zulu, i'm guessing 3d in virtualbox? [19:37] wrst: yea [19:37] i always struggle with that on certain hardware [19:37] pace_t_zulu: not alot, and yet a little of everything [19:37] ;-) [19:37] wrst: enabled 3d and rebuilt the guest additions... still no dice [19:37] but its really notbad pace_t_zulu far from complete, but i lvoe the option of "ubuntu classic desktop'' [19:37] yeah it appears as if they are executing well [19:38] cyberanger: I gave CentOS a shot before I ever tried Ubuntu last year in March, but it felt "kludgy"...kind of hard to describe it any other way [19:38] I'm not knocking it though...been playing with it more over the past few weeks since the call [19:39] past few months here [19:39] netritious: i looked at it and the packages are just soooo old but of course, for servers that may not be so bad [19:40] I just can't trust it, it's red hat with older packages [19:40] and something stale is stable, but what cost for security, I think in ways the balance is off [19:42] not to metion, I do prefer a debian based system, but I don't think that played too much of a role [19:45] I have heard so many people complain about yum it's not funny [19:46] netritious: want to hear one more i tried fedora once... YUM SUCKS! [19:46] lol wrst [19:46] or is that fedora, or is it opensuse? [19:46] whatever opensuse has sucks also :) [19:46] fedora [19:46] haha [19:47] yast [19:47] yum [19:47] apt [19:47] yast is worse than yum [19:47] tarballs [19:48] gulf oil spill cyberanger? [19:48] exe's [19:48] ran linux? [19:50] http://imgur.com/gallery/siGDR [19:51] all the options above beat compiling it all from source [19:51] wrst: http://imgur.com/gallery/siGDR [19:51] just looked cyberanger ;) [19:52] cyberanger: why can't linux410 pop in when we are actually here? and say hello anyone here? [19:53] better question, why can't he stay and chat, east tn is in here, he's our leader, talk ;-) [19:54] wrst: isn't that good (it does assums an intelligent facebook, but I'll assume a laugh outta it either way) [19:55] cyberanger: i could make room for linuxman on my server to have quassel he could be here all the time [19:55] if i let xTEMPLARx do it ... well you know i will let anyone in :) [19:55] that'd be pointless if he doesn't stay to chat [19:56] at least this current way we know [19:56] but he would always be here so ... yeah thats right :\ [19:56] :) [19:56] we're here more than not, it works for us [19:57] yeah good point [19:57] and hey i use a client that /away acutally works on cyberanger :P [19:57] it actually works on weechat also i noticed i can set it to away and it shows as away here [19:58] am I away or not? [19:58] not away [19:59] now you show as away! [19:59] * wrst has no idea why he is excited [19:59] ok, took a bit more than it should [20:00] but it doesn't show me another user [20:00] on weechat i have to type /away and somethign else like /away bed where with quassel it just takes me typing /away [20:00] i think ... [20:00] yep that did it [20:01] not seeing it [20:01] wrst: fedora is yum [20:02] ok cyberanger i will leave it there for a while [20:02] pace_t_zulu: i've never had any luck with fedora never seems to work with any hardware very well that i try it on without a bunch of trouble [20:02] where do you see it wrst [20:02] might be one of the plugins [20:03] might be one of the plugins [20:03] in the nick list cyberanger [20:03] i think i see it there in wee chat also cyberanger hangon [20:03] no, ChanServ has @ fo op, that's all I see [20:04] wrst: i run it in virtualbox [20:04] ahh it doesn't show on weechat [20:04] do you like it pace_t_zulu i haven't given it much of a chance? [20:04] wrst: it stays closer to upstream ... [20:05] wrst: wasn't seeing it in whois or via nickserv either [20:05] wrst: it's ok... just some things are different [20:05] wrst: ubuntu is still easier to work with [20:07] yeah pace_t_zulu i know its supposed to be a little more "bleeding" edge but i've found arch to be more bleeding and easier to use [20:08] yeah cyberanger i'm badly mistaken it appears... nothing new to me :) [20:11] cyberanger: shellium has a real old version of weechat [20:11] they run debian though right? [20:12] debian [20:12] but I run lucid atm [20:12] i am too on my server [20:12] (next year I'm gonna get this linode instance onto squeeze) [20:13] i have thought about using debian on my server but i really don't want to fight it and ubuntu does everything i need automagically [20:16] fight what? [20:17] I'm considering it for the fact it's a rolling release [20:18] why bother upgrading every 6 months for a static install, with updates the thing that changes [20:19] but isn't squeeze kinda the testing sorta thing or something ? [20:21] yep [20:21] rolling [20:21] they'll snapshot testing, for making 6.0 [20:23] just go with arch cyberanger :) [20:25] it's also a thought, for a shell [20:41] <3 debian But it's been a couple years since I used it. [20:42] wrst: the nicest thing i know of in fedora is side by side python 2.x and 3.x [20:44] pace_t_zulu: yeah i got that accidently in arch :) [20:44] wrst: yea that's very useful for a python dev [20:44] caused most everything not to work, but it made me be a minor coder to go in and redircet all my apps to python2 :) [20:45] wrst: python is fun [21:05] anybody actually using python 3 yet? [21:09] some things work with it xTEMPLARx as i found it in arch [21:10] don't know if that is intentional or not :) [21:26] lol [21:26] when i piddled around with python, everything I read flat out said that yeah, python 3 is here, but nobody's using it so don't bother learning it. [21:26] and that was a while ago [22:28] xTEMPLARx! what's up mayne [22:30] guess everyone out east is gone home :-/ [22:58] for command line lovers: http://houcemhachicha.blogspot.com/2010/07/my-top-ten-shellbash-tricks.html [23:19] thanks pace_t_zulu [23:20] I didn't know about tab,tab and sudo !! [23:20] * wrst goes to learn something :) [23:21] ;) [23:22] good one pace_t_zulu i didn't know about the sudo!! i do that all the time [23:23] basically !! runs the last command [23:23] try it with ls [23:23] ls [23:23] !! [23:26] fork bomb FTW! [23:26] :(){ :|:& };: [23:34] fork bomb... i gotta try that [23:34] that makes such a pretty picture