[00:10] <ScottK> Speaking of $MY bug...
[00:10] <ScottK> RAOF_: Any hope on the KDE logout thing?
[00:14] <RAOF_> Gak.
[00:14] <RAOF_> No, sorry.
[00:17] <ScottK> OK.
[01:22]  * bryceh sets up MT on his fujitsu
[01:22] <bryceh> probably needs a udev rule
[02:19] <Sarvatt> bryceh, RAOF: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31544
[02:19] <ubot4`> Freedesktop bug 31544 in Mesa core "bad format in _mesa_format_to_type_and_comps" [Normal,New]
[02:20] <Sarvatt> too bad launchpad is down, saw the r600 alt+tab compiz bugs on ubuntu-x-swat
[14:36] <tmzt_g2root> hi, ogra in #ubuntu-arm suggested I bring this up here. I'm working on a method of detecting if a physical keyboard is present and enabled to determine whether to show an onscreen keyboard
[14:37] <tmzt_g2root> my proposal is to add a "Physical Keyboard" property to the input device in the evdev (and other) drivers, possibly based on something in udev to eliminate uinput (or make it configurable)
[14:38] <tmzt_g2root> the second part would use the existing "Device Enabled" property but make it possible to switch this on and off with a SW event on another input device, though how exactly that would work yet I'm not sure
[14:39] <tmzt_g2root> one way to do that I think is with an action in xkb, but I don't know how it would disable a certain keyboard if the two weren't linked
[14:39] <tmzt_g2root> how is this handled for ACPI touchpad enable buttons?
[15:56] <BUGabundo> good afternoon 
[15:57] <BUGabundo> what's the "formal" way to install drivers, when jockey is broken? I would like to get free of nvidia blob, and back to nouveua
[15:57] <BUGabundo> in natty
[15:57] <bjsnider> remove nvidia-current, delete xorg.conf
[15:58] <BUGabundo> what's the 3D lib for nouveau?
[15:58] <BUGabundo> so I'm sure I have it before I purge blob
[15:59] <JanC> nouveau is installed by default
[15:59] <BUGabundo> 3D ?
[15:59] <BUGabundo> it wasn't before
[15:59] <BUGabundo> it was hightly experimental, and not officially supported
[15:59] <JanC> well, depends on what version of Ubuntu
[15:59] <BUGabundo> words of Sarvatt
[15:59] <BUGabundo> JanC: natty 
[16:02] <JanC> I thought it was, but maybe I'm wrong, as I don't have nvidia GPUs for obvious reasons  ;)
[16:02] <bjsnider> there's a package with drm or dri and nouveau in the name. search for it
[16:03] <BUGabundo> libdrm-nouveau1 - Userspace interface to nouveau-specific kernel DRM services -- runtime
[16:03] <JanC> libdrm-nouveau1 is installed by default in maverick
[16:03] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 2.4.22-2ubuntu1
[16:03] <bjsnider> what about a gallium package with nouveau in the name?
[16:05] <bjsnider> actually wasn't it something like librm experimental nouveau? and i thought it was in xorg-edgers only
[16:06] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: AFAIR it was in universe
[16:06] <BUGabundo> not ppa
[16:09] <JanC> maybe libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental ?
[16:09] <JanC> which is in main actually
[16:09] <bjsnider> this is a job for RAOF 
[16:10] <JanC> or libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental which is in universe
[16:10] <JanC> eh, the first one was supposed to be something different
[16:10] <JanC> but anyway that one sound like what you want
[16:14] <JanC> BUGabundo: 'libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental' contains '/usr/lib/dri/nouveau_dri.so'
[16:16] <BUGabundo> libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental:
[16:16] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 7.9+repack-1ubuntu2
[16:16] <BUGabundo> which is in universe
[16:18] <BUGabundo> rebooting to test. if it takes me more then 45 sec, then I'm doing it wrong
[16:24] <BUGabundo> nope
[16:24] <BUGabundo> I'm stuck at 800x600
[16:24] <BUGabundo> instead of 1280
[16:25] <BUGabundo> tried $ sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[16:25] <BUGabundo> to no avail
[16:26] <BUGabundo> would a basic xorg.conf help?
[16:26] <BUGabundo>  pastebinit xorg.conf.old http://paste.ubuntu.com/538703/
[16:36] <BUGabundo> nope
[16:37] <BUGabundo> doesn't help
[16:37] <BUGabundo> I'm open to suggestions on how to make natty to work without nvidia :(
[16:39] <jcristau> remove xorg.conf.  remove nvidia crap and make sure you don't blacklist nouveau.  reboot.
[16:39] <BUGabundo> I did remove it 
[16:39] <BUGabundo> ok, how do I make sure its not blacklisted?
[16:39] <jcristau> rgrep blacklist.*nouveau /etc/modprobe.d
[16:40] <JanC> ah yeah, nouveau drm kernel module might be blacklisted to avoid clashes with the binary alternative
[16:40] <BUGabundo> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf:blacklist nouveau
[16:40] <BUGabundo> /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-graphics-drivers.conf:blacklist lbm-nouveau
[16:40] <BUGabundo> so I just delete those
[16:42] <jcristau> dpkg --purge nvidia-graphics-drivers should get rid of ti
[16:42] <jcristau> it, even
[16:42] <BUGabundo> run that the 1st time
[16:47] <BUGabundo> ok jcristau now I have full resolution
[16:47] <BUGabundo> thanks
[16:47] <BUGabundo> but compiz will not start now 
[16:50] <BUGabundo> $ compiz --replace --debug | tee compiz
[16:50] <BUGabundo> lets see 
[16:50] <jcristau> that's ok
[16:50] <jcristau> you don't want compiz anyway
[16:50] <BUGabundo> compiz (core) - Debug: Could not stat() file /home/bugabundo/.compiz-1/plugins/libbailer.so : No such file or directory
[16:50] <BUGabundo> jcristau: I *do* want compiz :(
[16:51] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538710/
[16:52] <BUGabundo> any ideas what's missing ?
[16:53] <Sarvatt> I can't even get compiz starting correctly on first boot on any of my machines at this point, welcome to natty :)
[16:53]  * BUGabundo slaps Sarvatt
[16:53] <Sarvatt> heyo!
[16:54] <BUGabundo> no more xbox for you mister!
[16:54] <Sarvatt> try removing ~/.compiz-1?
[16:54] <Sarvatt> oh silly msn, I haven't been on live in over a year but it has that name stored somewhere
[16:54] <BUGabundo> ok
[16:55] <BUGabundo> logging out 
[16:57] <BUGabundo> time to put #ubuntu-x in autojoin
[16:57] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: lets go with the checklist
[16:57] <BUGabundo> what do I need to have 3D in nouveua?
[16:57] <BUGabundo> maybe I'm missing something
[16:58] <Sarvatt> libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[16:58] <BUGabundo>   Installed: 7.9+repack-1ubuntu2
[16:58] <BUGabundo> check
[16:58] <BUGabundo> next?
[16:59] <BUGabundo> that's just it? then its broken ehe
[16:59] <Sarvatt> it's something wacky with compiz's configuration, I have no idea because I have to fix it different ways daily with every update this past week :(
[16:59] <Sarvatt> can get more info out of ~/.xsession-errors
[17:00] <Sarvatt> what happens when you start up though? do you see the desktop and no panels?
[17:01] <Sarvatt> appearance preferences doesn't work at the moment btw
[17:01] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: its not configuration, since I just nooked mine
[17:01] <Sarvatt> ~/.config/compiz-1?
[17:02] <BUGabundo> ~$ pastebinit .xsession-errors
[17:02] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538718/
[17:02] <BUGabundo> I make no sense of that... help yourself
[17:02] <BUGabundo> yes, that path
[17:03] <Sarvatt> maybe try a logout and pick the classic gnome session instead of the ubuntu desktop session that starts unity?
 what happens when you start up though? do you see the desktop and no panels?
[17:04] <Sarvatt> glx missing, hmm
[17:04] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: I'm using classic
[17:04] <Sarvatt> update-alternatives --list gl_conf
[17:05] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib/mesa/ld.so.conf
[17:05] <BUGabundo> /usr/lib/nvidia-173/ld.so.conf
[17:05] <BUGabundo> humm both?
[17:05] <Sarvatt> ah so you have nvidia-173 installed still
[17:05] <Sarvatt> sudo apt-get purge nvidia-173
[17:05] <BUGabundo> shouilht there be just one?
[17:06] <BUGabundo> update-alternatives: removing manually selected alternative - switching gl_conf to auto mode
[17:06] <BUGabundo> update-alternatives: using /usr/lib/mesa/ld.so.conf to provide /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf (gl_conf) in auto mode.
[17:06] <Sarvatt> there ya go, should be ok minus any compiz bustage next reboot
[17:06] <BUGabundo> brb
[17:09] <BUGabundo> there goes composit
[17:09] <BUGabundo> and no compiz 
[17:10] <BUGabundo> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538720/
[17:10] <BUGabundo> .xsession-errors http://paste.ubuntu.com/538721/
[17:10] <Sarvatt> are you starting compiz manually or something?
[17:10] <Sarvatt> because its automatically started always right now, metacity isn't used at all yet
[17:10] <BUGabundo> I was trying to
[17:11] <BUGabundo> well, I don't have 3D or composite
[17:11] <BUGabundo> if I use apperance it blows
[17:11] <BUGabundo> so I tried from cli
[17:11] <BUGabundo> ~$ compiz --replace --debug | tee compiz
[17:11] <Sarvatt> appearance preferences doesn't work 
[17:12] <Sarvatt> (and probably screws up your config to boot)
[17:12] <BUGabundo> nice
[17:12] <Sarvatt> agreed :)
[17:12] <BUGabundo> so .... where do I fix the other two?
[17:16] <Sarvatt> I don't what the problem is at this point honestly, I would nuke your config again and restart and just let compiz start with the session like it did and see what happens in ~/.xsession-errors. it looks like your config might be screwed up again because of messing with appearance preferences
[17:17] <Sarvatt> wonder what the heck is up with those jockey errors you're getting
[17:17] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: what config?
[17:17] <BUGabundo> compiz? I nuked it 
[17:18] <BUGabundo> and haven't even restored anything
[17:18] <BUGabundo> cause I can't activate extras
[17:18] <Sarvatt> yeah but you used appearance preferences after and it looks like it screwed it up again, loading plugins that dont exist anymore
[17:18] <BUGabundo> and composite is off
[17:18] <BUGabundo> ok
[17:18] <BUGabundo> nuking again
[17:18] <Sarvatt> ~/.config/compiz-1 instead of ~/compiz-1
[17:18] <BUGabundo> how can I enable compiz-extras and get composite to work?
[17:18] <Sarvatt> ccsm
[17:18] <BUGabundo> nuking both , just in case
[17:19] <BUGabundo> brb
[17:22]  * Sarvatt wants to tell him to just metacity --replace to fix it so bad :)
[17:22] <jcristau> 17:50 < BUGabundo> jcristau: I *do* want compiz :(
[17:22] <jcristau> there's his issue.
[17:26] <BUGabundo> no workie Sarvatt
[17:26] <BUGabundo> no dirs for .compiz-1 or .config/compiz-1
[17:26] <BUGabundo> tried ccsm, ok, but no compiz effects applied
[17:28] <Sarvatt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/538725/
[17:28] <BUGabundo> now you see why I was trying to start it 
[17:28] <Sarvatt> that's on a 8400M GS with libgl1-mesa-dri-experimental
[17:28] <BUGabundo> me too
[17:28] <BUGabundo> well 8400mG
[17:28] <BUGabundo> no S lol
[19:29] <vish> is unity's daily running for anyone on an AOA?
[19:30] <vish> compiz just seems to like to crash here... :)
[19:49] <Sarvatt> vish: "181 packages can be updated." will let ya know in about an hour and thank you for making me update to break things again :)
[19:49] <vish> lol! :)
[19:50] <Sarvatt> oh better purge edgers first
[19:51] <BUGabundo> Sarvatt: http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/120110daily/daily_16.jpg ?
[19:51] <vish> hmm, seems a lot of others are facing it as well.. compiz is crashing due to nux.. ex: Bug #683731
[19:51] <ubot4`> vish: Bug 683731 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/683731 is private
[19:52] <vish>  Bug #683721 as well..
[19:52] <ubot4`> vish: Bug 683721 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/683721 is private
[19:52] <Sarvatt> seen a few r600 problems with compiz 0.9/kwin fixed in mesa 7.9 git
[19:52]  * vish checks updates..
[19:53] <Sarvatt> no updated in the archive yet
[19:53] <Sarvatt> 7.9.1 probably wont be released for a few weeks :(
[19:53] <vish> Sarvatt: nah, apport is closing the bugs as "outdated packages"
[19:55] <Sarvatt> vish: what kind of failure are you seeing?
[19:55] <Sarvatt> i think its intentional gnome-panel isn't launched now
[19:56] <vish> Sarvatt: unity launches and crashes.. and does not reload
[19:56] <vish> so no menus/anything.. 
[19:56] <Sarvatt> man http://launchpadlibrarian.net/59937265/ThreadStacktrace.txt is rediculious
[19:58] <Sarvatt> desktop effects in appearance preferences doesn't work here so I'm not sure what to make of all these bugs saying they have no desktop effects because that doesn't work with compiz loading automatically always now
[19:59] <Sarvatt> should ask if they see any transparency instead of just no wobbly windows
[20:15] <vish> nope, even after updating , compiz crashes.. filed bug 683840
[20:15] <ubot4`> vish: Bug 683840 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/683840 is private
[20:15] <vish> ubot4`: ssshh!
[20:15] <ubot4`> Factoid 'ssshh!' not found
[20:16] <Sarvatt> hmm not allowed to see that one
[20:17] <Sarvatt> what's it filed against? maybe I can't see ones with core dumps outside of X
[20:17] <vish> oh! apport has not yet gone through the dump.. subscribed you to it
[20:17] <vish> Sarvatt: it's in compiz
[20:18] <vish> Sarvatt: you should be able to view it now..
[20:18] <Sarvatt> not having any problems with compiz-core 1:0.9.2.1+glibmainloop2-0ubuntu2, still updating mine though..
[20:21] <vish> i think you would be having *ubuntu4 update available now, but the problem existed from *ubuntu3
[20:21] <Sarvatt> yeah it's still updating to it, was on 0ubuntu2 with no problems
[20:22] <Sarvatt> [  237.437499] compiz[14225]: segfault at 20 ip 04c407d7 sp bffcdf9c error 4 in libnux-graphics-0.9.so.0.904.4[4c0a000+99000]
[20:22] <Sarvatt> took that long to crash?
[20:22] <vish> yea, unity launches for a few secs , app menu and stuff loads and then poof
[20:23] <Sarvatt> its done! just warning people using my minecraft server on that netbook that it's going down and i'll play with it
[20:24] <BUGabundo> hey look, a jockey update
[20:25] <Sarvatt> quite annoying that auto login keeps reenabling itself with the unity session when I dont want to use that :)
[20:27] <BUGabundo> jockey is now fixed
[20:27] <Sarvatt> vish: well thats reassuring, black screen no splash while booting :)
[20:28] <vish> lol!!
[20:28] <Sarvatt> looks like our friend vesafb->inteldrmfb handoff killing plymouth again, ugh
[20:28] <vish> the splash is 'deformed' here.. ;)
[20:29] <Sarvatt> yeah you
[20:29] <vish> quite ugly, so you are better off without a splash :D
[20:29] <Sarvatt> re seeing the framebuffer renderer then
[20:37] <Sarvatt> ookay compiz didnt even try to start http://pastebin.com/m1cAUkMg
[20:43] <Sarvatt> which is apparently https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/683403
[20:44] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 683403 in gnome-session (Ubuntu) "natty 20101130.1 - 20101201 live session without panels (affects: 3) (dups: 1) (heat: 20)" [Low,Fix released]
[20:57] <Sarvatt> vish: no problems with unity..
[20:57] <Sarvatt> same machine
[20:58] <vish> hmm... 
[20:59] <Sarvatt> the vesafb stuff is busted though, you probably dont even notice because of how long the vesafb/inteldrmfb transition takes on the livecd
[21:04] <Sarvatt> this is nasty, grub hanging on "Grub loading" every other boot, plymouth dying and the boot is hosed with a black screen every one that gets past that
[21:06] <Sarvatt> ubuntu logo on vesafb looks even worse than vga16fb did for some reason
[21:07] <Sarvatt> unity feels so much faster though, good riddance mutter!
[21:07] <jcristau> at least you know right from the start that natty's not quite there yet :)
[21:08] <Sarvatt> it was significantly more "there" a week ago :)
[21:21] <Sarvatt> vish: what iso are you using?
[21:21] <Sarvatt> from http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ?
[21:21] <vish> Sarvatt: 20101201 , and updated the live usb again..
[21:22] <Sarvatt> is there some separate unity testing iso somewhere I mean? notice people mentioning 20101201.1
[21:22] <vish> yea, not sure either.. i got the iso from the above link too
[21:22] <Sarvatt> oh ok grabbing that then
[21:34] <Sarvatt> vish: ohh so it looks like its just expecting cheese to be installed but it isnt on the livecd?
[21:34] <vish> oh!
[21:34] <vish> Sarvatt: seems so!
[21:34] <vish> seb128: ^^
[21:35] <Sarvatt> thats just what https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/682345 looks like to me
[21:35] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 682345 in unity (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "SEGSEGV in nux::ResourceData::GetResourceIndex() const () (affects: 2) (heat: 12)" [Undecided,Confirmed]
[21:35] <seb128> Sarvatt, what cheese?
[21:35] <vish> unity used to have cheese in the default
[21:36] <vish> i mean the netbook..
[21:50] <RAOF> tmzt_g2root: In answer to your question re: how ACPI touchpad disable buttons are handled - that's pretty much done above X.
[21:50] <Sarvatt> vish: sorry I was probably totally off base with the cheese thing :)
[21:50] <vish> np.. :)
[21:51] <vish> Sarvatt: but it did seem like it, since htorque also mentions .desktops :)
[21:51] <RAOF> tmzt_g2root: gnome-settings-daemon listens to those button events, and then twiddles xinput properties to disable the touchpad.
[21:58] <Sarvatt> vish: whats in your gsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites list on the livecd?
[22:00] <vish>  ['ubiquity-gtkui.desktop', 'nautilus.desktop', 'firefox.desktop', 'ubuntuone-control-panel-gtk.desktop', 'tomboy.desktop','/home/ubuntu/Desktop/examples.desktop']
[22:00] <vish> i just removed the ubiquity and the U1 … but dint help..
[22:00] <Sarvatt> try removing examples?
[22:00]  * Sarvatt shoots in the dark
[22:01] <Sarvatt> guess i'll actually make this livecd to try playing with it now
[22:01] <vish> Sarvatt: bingo!!
[22:02] <vish> removing the examples fixes it !! :)
[22:02] <vish> seb128: ^^