[00:15] <Rakko> is the xubuntu community pretty small? the mailing list gets almost zero traffic
[00:16] <charlie-tca> yes,
[00:16] <charlie-tca> we have about 70,000 users
[00:16] <charlie-tca> and not very many use the mailing list
[00:35] <Rakko> 70k isn't too bad
[00:35] <Rakko> I'm always picking relative underdogs for some reason
[00:35] <Rakko> what I wanted to find out on the mailing list is how I can launch the *Xubuntu* session from outside of gdm
[00:36] <Rakko> someone else asked that same question right after I joined
[00:36] <Rakko> I can only figure out how to launch the Xfce session, which is subtly different
[00:36] <charlie-tca> did they get an answer?
[00:36] <Rakko> n o
[00:36] <Rakko> no
[00:37] <charlie-tca> um, it is hard to do, if I remember right.
[00:38] <Rakko> I can't find it anywhere and I've grepped and googled all over
[00:39] <Rakko> why are there both the xubuntu and xfce sessions anyway? if they're almost the same
[00:39] <charlie-tca> you have to manually start several things.
[00:39] <Rakko> the xfce one looks better, if anything, because its config menu has more options
[00:39] <charlie-tca> xubuntu session has our own changes
[00:39] <Rakko> (more means better, lol)
[00:39] <charlie-tca> xfce session uses stock xfce settings
[00:40] <charlie-tca> We make things prettier
[00:40] <Rakko> are you a xubu developer?
[00:40] <charlie-tca> No, I am not a developer. I am the QA lead and interim Project Leader
[00:41] <Rakko> oh, cool
[00:43] <charlie-tca> AFAIR, there is no single command to start a xubuntu session.
[00:46] <Rakko> well how does gdm manage it? it must be in a gdm config or script somewhere
[00:47] <Rakko> rhetorical question
[00:47] <charlie-tca> scripts
[00:47] <charlie-tca> used to be in /etc/gdm
[00:48] <charlie-tca> hm, that looks right, too
[00:53] <Rakko> I'll look when I get home... maybe I just totally missed it
[00:53] <Rakko> I was surprised to find the directory /usr/share/xubuntu with a session script in it, but that script also invokes xfce
[00:54] <charlie-tca> It has to invoke xfce
[00:54] <charlie-tca> That is the desktop environment
[00:55] <Rakko> xfce4-session, I meant
[00:56] <Rakko> without any of the xubuntu mods
[00:56] <charlie-tca> heh
[00:56] <charlie-tca> that is just to confuse
[00:57] <charlie-tca> The rest of it used to be in /etc/xdg , but I think they moved parts of it and I can't find them anymore
[01:03] <Rakko> well thanks for looking
[01:04] <charlie-tca> at least it is a starting place
[01:05] <Rakko> I didn't know freedesktop.org was once known as XDG
[01:06] <Rakko> for some reason I used to follow a few fd.o mailing lists and they always seemed like really cool folks
[01:06] <Rakko> back when the GL-based X implementations were in their infancy
[01:09] <Rakko> oh, back to xubuntu... I wish I knew how to report this: when I was updating last night (using update manager) my X session ended abruptly and I couldn't log back into it until I rebooted
[01:09] <Rakko> I went to the console and watched top until all the apt* and dpkg* processes were finished before rebooting... I hope everything got applied completely :/
[01:10] <Rakko> does apt-get or dpkg check for consistency when you run it? I'd like to make sure the packages are in good shape
[01:24] <charlie-tca> If you run sudo apt-get update   and then   sudo apt-get dist-upgrade    and don't get an error, it finished
[01:31] <Rakko> ok, thanks
[03:03] <Rakko> bye and thanks
[11:20] <ubuXubu> Good Morning Xubuntu Techs!
[17:22] <walt> I am running xmonad with xubuntu. Where is the correct place to trigger a startup script? I am being very confused by googling, it seems to have changed a lot and no one seems to really know. I don't want to add it to the xmonad session entry, since I would like it to be per-uer if possible
[17:44] <jon-the-id> Hello xunbunters
[17:44] <jon-the-id> xubunters rather
[17:45] <Thermi> xubuntuusers
[17:45] <Thermi> :D
[17:45] <jon-the-id> Thanks thermi
[17:45] <Thermi> :p
[17:45] <jon-the-id> I have a slight problem with xubuntu 10.10
[17:45] <Thermi> first thing i said in months in this channel :p
[17:47] <jon-the-id> Anyway you may be able to help me
[17:47] <jon-the-id> If I am lucky
[17:47] <Thermi> describe your problem.
[17:49] <jon-the-id> Actually my current problem is that my head hurts as I have just smashed it into the fridge door handle whilst taking my socks out of the tumble dryer
[17:49] <jon-the-id> Ouch
[17:49] <jon-the-id> Anyway, here's the Xubuntu prob
[17:50] <jon-the-id> I've got 10.10 with all the updates running on a Toshiba L30 laptop
[17:50] <jon-the-id> My main soundcard is working fine
[17:51] <jon-the-id> I also have a 'usb headphone set' external soundcard that I like to use for certain things (listening to music quietly, Skype etc)
[17:52] <jon-the-id> Both these have drivers installed fine, and I can access their properties from the mixer in the tray
[17:52] <jon-the-id> However I can't see any way of setting which soundcard does what.
[17:52] <jon-the-id> Also I can't find anyway of enabling system sounds
[17:53] <jon-the-id> In Ubuntu this is easy as you just go to system - settings - sounds
[17:54] <jon-the-id> But this option doesn't exist in Xubuntu, the only sound control seems to be the mixer
[17:54] <dr4c4n> nope
[17:54] <dr4c4n> pavucontrol
[17:54] <dr4c4n> if that doesn't work : try ubuntu-bug audio
[17:54] <dr4c4n> :D
[17:55] <charlie-tca> nope
[17:55] <dr4c4n> apt-get install pavucontrol
[17:55] <jon-the-id> doing it now, thanks!
[17:55] <stygian> any idea why gpointing-device-settings fails across reboots? ive disabled my touchpad, cause i hate it and use a mouse anyway. every time i reboot the touchpad is reactivated (although it is still marked as disabled)
[17:55] <charlie-tca> for system sounds, you set them through Xfce4 settings manager,
[17:56] <stygian> or is there a more proper way to deactivate the touchpad?
[17:56] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca: my problem was only solved using pavucontrol, I tried the Xfce4 settings manager many times. The correction I found was trying the ubuntu-bug audio script - which led me to pavucontrol
[17:56] <charlie-tca> jon-the-id, appearance, settings, check in system sounds?
[17:56] <charlie-tca> If you don't check the box, they won't play no matter what you try, will they?
[17:57] <Sysi> charlie-tca: do you know if there's reason why pavucontrol isn't installed by default?
[17:57] <jon-the-id> pavucontrol looks good! Let me try it out a bit
[17:57] <Sysi> pulseaudio is quite useless without configuring
[17:57] <dr4c4n> charlie-tca: there's no "sounds" menu option in my Xfce- settings manager
[17:58] <jon-the-id> Charlie-tca - in Xubuntu there is no "sounds" menu
[17:58] <dr4c4n> +1 jon-the-id
[17:58] <dr4c4n> :)
[17:58] <jon-the-id> I reckon this should be installed by default . . but am no expert
[17:58] <charlie-tca> settings tab in Appearance
[17:58] <charlie-tca> bottom line in the settings tab.
[17:59] <charlie-tca> and, no, system sounds are not enabled by default in Xubuntu
[17:59] <dr4c4n> which is greyed out unless you enable it in something like pavucontrol - command line or gui interface
[17:59] <jon-the-id> Ahhh! Got it now
[17:59] <dr4c4n> for enable input feedback sounds
[18:00] <jon-the-id> I wasn't really that bothered about the system sounds, but it definitely seemed like something was missing
[18:11] <jon-the-id> Well, I'm getting there. Now with pavucontrol I can switch the output stream of exaile to my usb headset thing.
[18:11] <jon-the-id> But I can't hear anything yet . . .
[18:12] <dr4c4n> jon-the-id: did you enable / unmute everything w/ mixer?
[18:13] <jon-the-id> doh!
[18:13] <jon-the-id> Working a treat, sounds brilliant
[18:14] <jon-the-id> Thanks so much for your help
[18:17] <dr4c4n> jon-the-id: I am not sure who you are thanking, but I'm glad you got things going :)
[18:19] <jon-the-id> Er, you dr4c4n
[18:19] <jon-the-id> And Charlie
[18:20] <dr4c4n> jon-the-id: no problem, glad to help
[18:33] <jon-the-id> Still can't get system sounds working I'm afraid
[18:34] <jon-the-id> I've installed the freedesktop sound theme
[18:34] <jon-the-id> Enabled system sounds in appearance - settings
[18:35] <jon-the-id> There doesn't seem to be anywhere to choose which theme to use for system sounds
[18:40] <jon-the-id> Anybody know the answer to this one please?
[18:45] <dr4c4n> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=853173 ? it's saying no support for event sounds other than log out or login, but i'm not sure about this, at least you know your sounds are coming out now though :) pavucontrol is excellent for that
[18:46] <dr4c4n> another reference: perhaps documentations reside here somewhere: http://xfce-look.org/
[18:47] <jon-the-id> Yep I saw that one on ubuntuforums, seems a bit strange though to have an option to enable system sounds/ feedback sounds from within xfce4
[18:47] <jon-the-id> Anyway, the main prob is sorted, can't have everything eh?
[18:48] <dr4c4n> guess not, there's so many great things about xubuntu.. I never even noticed that a startup sound doesn't play lol
[18:49] <jon-the-id> I really like it believe me! I've tried loads of low-overhead linux distros and it is the only one that has lasted more than 4 days or so on my lappy
[19:02] <jon-the-id> gotta go, thanks
[19:02] <drpfenderson> I was wondering if there might be someone here that could help me get a python script that works in Ubuntu to work in Xubuntu.
[19:02] <drpfenderson> It's this simple Upload to Imgur script: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=125851
[19:03] <drpfenderson> The whole things works, except for copying the URL to the clipboard
[19:03] <drpfenderson> and I cannot figure out why that function doesn't work.
[19:03] <drpfenderson> The code is here: http://pastie.org/1339144
[19:04] <drpfenderson> It's a tiny script, and I cannot understand why it won't copy
[19:04] <drpfenderson> I even sought help from the author of the script, and he's stumped as to why it works in GNOME, but not XFCE
[19:05] <drpfenderson> Although, this may not be the best room to ask for help with this in - if so, any recommendations on where to go to ask for help?
[19:08] <dr4c4n> drpfenderson: perhaps a #python room?
[19:08] <drpfenderson> Sounds good - I'll poke around there. I just thought the Xubuntu-specific question merited asking here
[19:08] <drpfenderson> Thanks
[19:08] <dr4c4n> drpfenderson: you could also try to modify the script to the
[19:09] <dr4c4n> drpfenderson: xfce4 specific clipboard functionality
[19:09] <dr4c4n> drpfenderson: I would google query something like this: python xubuntu clipboard integration code snippet or the like
[19:09] <dr4c4n> w/out the or the like
[19:11] <drpfenderson> Thank you very much, dr4c4n
[19:13] <drpfenderson> Just for future reference, I guess XFCE just uses the gtk.clipboard function - so there's not really any reason I can tell that this isn't work
[19:13] <drpfenderson> *working
[19:13] <drpfenderson> I guess I shall give up on this for now and hope that it works in the future - thanks everyone. :)
[19:36] <herra> hey, I'm having a problem with xubuntu 10.04 wifi. When I'm connected to a wireless network  it works fine but drops me off and connects back few times in an hour. With win7 this does not happen. Any ideas how to fix this?
[19:58] <herra2> =herra
[19:59] <Sysi> restricted driver?
[19:59] <Sysi> what wireless card model?
[20:02] <herra2> 02:00.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 03)
[20:02] <herra2> 03:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8172 (rev 10)
[20:02] <herra2>  802.11bgn  Nickname:"rtl8191SEVA2"
[20:03] <herra2> i'm new to linux, so is this the right info?
[20:06] <Sysi> i guess
[21:19] <francisco> how i can put the menu icons bigger?
[21:20] <drpfenderson> francisco: How do you mean?
[21:20] <drpfenderson> Like, in the Application enu?
[21:20] <drpfenderson> *menu
[21:21] <francisco> yes
[21:22] <TheSheep> francisco: create a file in your home called .gtkrc-2.0 and put this line in it: gtk-icon-sizes = "gtk-menu=22,16"
[21:23] <francisco> and how i can create a file???
[21:23] <TheSheep> open a text editor, write that line in it and save it as that file
[21:23] <francisco> ah, ok
[21:24] <TheSheep> you need to switch your ui theme to make it work
[21:24] <TheSheep> siwth to something and back with settings->appearance
[21:24] <TheSheep> switch*
[21:25] <francisco> ok, i did it!
[21:29] <TheSheep> weird, it doesn't work anymore
[21:29] <TheSheep> sorry, it used to work, it doesn't, no idea how to do it now
[21:29] <francisco> and what else i have to do?
[21:32] <francisco> TheSheep
[21:32] <francisco> switch your ui theme???
[21:44] <TheSheep> francisco: found it, it's in a different place
[21:44] <TheSheep> francisco: you have to open settings->settings editor
[21:44] <TheSheep> francisco: select 'xsettings'
[21:45] <TheSheep> francisco: then under 'gtk' find 'IconSizes'
[21:45] <TheSheep> francisco: select it, click on 'edit' in the toolbar
[21:45] <TheSheep> francisco: then put 'gtk-menu=22,22' as the value
[21:48] <TheSheep> http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=4676
[22:15] <francisco> TheSheep
[22:15] <francisco> xfconf-query -c xsettings -p '/Gtk/IconSizes' -s 'gtk-menu=24,24'
[22:15] <francisco> i have to put this in terminal
[22:16] <francisco> an close de session
[22:16] <TheSheep> it doesn't work with the submenus though
[22:16] <TheSheep> just the main menu
[22:17] <francisco> no
[22:17] <francisco> it runs very well
[22:18] <TheSheep> great
[22:20] <francisco> what's the difference between openoffice and libreoffice?
[22:20] <francisco> it's libreoffice better?
[22:21] <TheSheep> one is owned by oracle
[22:21] <francisco> ok
[23:13] <Thermi> gn8