=== nucleo is now known as nucleo_ === nucleo_ is now known as nucleo [00:25] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [00:25] <_Groo_> a real quickie [00:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im using pulseuadio with the vlc patches and phonon vlc 0.3.1 [00:26] <_Groo_> still crash all aplications on exit [00:26] <_Groo_> so... i dont know who said to you this patches would solve it.. they dont :( [01:18] <_Groo_> hi/2 all [01:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping [01:19] <_Groo_> anyone alive? [02:39] huh, gtk-qt-engine now has a gtk3 theme [02:39] neat [02:40] are we currently pulling both gtk2 and gtk3 on the kubuntu CD at this point? [02:41] I think a gtk3-only CD would be much more attainable for Kubuntu [02:42] yay, the notifications no longer say "PowerDevil" as the title: http://imgur.com/kEpVT (barely caught it) [02:43] still could be improved. I think "Power Mangagement" would suffice [02:43] but I think trunk is frozen now :( [02:43] still, less jargon. [02:46] JontheEchidna: Running Natty? [02:46] yup [02:46] JontheEchidna: Could you install udisks and upower, remove hal, restart, and see how it goes? [02:47] It should ~work. [02:47] neato [02:47] brb [02:50] powermanagement seems fine [02:51] I can finally access my NTFS drive without entering my password in that hackish kdesudo dialog [02:52] only niggle I can see: the /home and /root partitions show up as hard drives [02:53] http://imgur.com/y4HnS [02:53] hmm, seems dolphin has gone icon-only in the toolbar [02:53] well, I guess it make sense for forward/back/up [02:53] not so sure about the viewmode buttons [02:56] Sounds workable. [02:57] JontheEchidna: If you look in startkde we use hal (lshal) to find out of the system has a cdrom. Looking at the udisks man page it seems we could use it similarly. Any chance you could have a look at that (should be relatively easy to sort from a running natty system) [02:58] my bash/sed/awk skillz are lacklustre [03:53] DarkwingDuck updating a bunch of bugs so you have mail please follow up :) [03:53] Will do. Thanks jjesse [03:54] np trying to get back into kubuntu-docs work [03:54] have you updated the entities files for defaults for natty? [03:54] Yeah, now that thanksgiving is over and my computer is semi working I'm jumping into it again. [03:54] Not yet. Was going to do that next. [04:00] jjesse: you want me to do it or, were you going to take it? [04:01] you can [04:01] when you are fixing a bug do in the bzr commit log do you state what bug it fixies [04:01] I do. [04:02] This way anyone reviewing it will be able to bounce it. [04:02] hrmm cause then when the package is released it should resolve the bug [04:02] There is also a way (I don't remember how) to tag the bug as fix committed from bzr [04:02] do you do the bzr commit --fixes [04:02] or whatever it is [04:02] Yeah. [04:03] bzr commit -m "This fixes LP Bug#blablabla" [04:03] I think it's m [04:03] yeah [04:03] * DarkwingDuck will have to check his cheat sheet [04:03] i thought bugs fixed like that should change to fix released upon release of the package [04:05] Yes, but not fix committed [04:05] LP bugs have new, confermed, fix committed, fix released [04:05] bugs have a backlog of planet ubuntu [04:06] thought they change automatically when a package is released [04:06] released yes, but for people like me who track status of bugs during a release... [04:08] They will change to fix released when its released but, it's a good idea to change status to fix committed. [04:09] There is a way to do that with BZR... I'll have to look at me cheat sheet again. [04:09] ok [04:11] jjesse: here is what to use... [04:11] bzr commit --fixes lp:1234 -m "..." [04:14] jjesse: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ [04:34] kubotu: how are your bash skillz? [04:35] how are kde is "only" a community [04:35] Sometimes I think kubotu is a bit batty [04:37] Anyone seen Valorie lately? [04:58] you all are batty! [05:09] hey nixternal === stalcup is now known as v === tazz_ is now known as tazz === dbarth__ is now known as dbarth [09:50] hm [09:50] apachelogger: no i was studuying, and marked as solved [09:50] now to fixor package [09:51] i suppose this warrants a brand new changelog? [10:20] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [10:20] * Nightrose hands Riddell a B [10:20] ? [10:21] shadeslayer: no new changelog [10:21] hmm [10:21] sorry about whatever that was [10:21] conflicting answers :P [10:21] Riddell: what happened there :P [10:21] it was the Kubuntu effect [10:21] needs to be able to hook functions between frames (so we can vote on the Kubuntu ninjas need kubuntu throwing stars. Thing the shop page disappear from the apachelogger q above... (just to be a pci routing issue. have you aliased. [10:22] apachelogger: MOTU people say to preserve history [10:22] kubotu: you sure have suffered from brain damage [10:22] what has jussi done to you [10:22] shadeslayer: that is what I said? [10:22] no [10:22] new [10:22] changelog [10:22] == [10:22] new tarball? [10:22] keep [10:22] old [10:22] changelog [10:22] == AND [10:22] == [10:22] preserve [10:22] ok ok ... right ... [10:22] history [10:22] * shadeslayer read that the other way round [10:23] then I would have made it no, new changelog :P [10:23] thats how i read it :P [10:23] despite me being lazy when it comes to commas I am somewhat sure that I always apply the comma idiom when talking about confusing things :P [10:23] anyhow [10:24] so [10:24] ... [10:24] not sure if I have sufficiently ranted about it [10:24] also, do i make kubuntu-konqeuror-shortcuts a dummy package with a depends on kubuntu-web-shortcuts [10:24] but my system freezes every now and then again and after that again [10:24] funny thing is that I tried about any method to debug or even gracefully reboot, and nothing worked [10:25] now I am on a testing account and do not see no freezes.... [10:25] that way we dont have to replace all instances of kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts [10:25] apachelogger: shourtcuts dont work in krunner btw [10:25] they do [10:25] not for me they dont [10:25] RTFM [10:25] RTFM!!!!!!!! [10:26] shadeslayer: I suppose a transitional package is a good idea [10:26] yeah.. [10:26] that way i dont piss off debian people as well.... [10:26] i dont remember going to upgrade the chroot [10:26] * shadeslayer notes kubotu has gone mad [10:27] well [10:27] ... [10:27] at least he is not in love with jussi [10:27] apachelogger: i type ubug:1 in krunner and it opens up dolphin with a dolphin window with akonadi: [10:28] shadeslayer: RTFMYILB!!! [10:29] kubotu: rescan [10:29] saving ... [10:29] rescanning ... [10:29] done. 10 core modules loaded; 52 plugins loaded; 33 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load [10:29] nothing special about krunner in readme [10:29] kubotu: config set markov.probability 100 [10:29] okay [10:29] hello hello [10:29] hello seele! [10:29] lol [10:29] rofl [10:30] rofl (@ -certain- message) [10:30] lol everything is in the doc path change and bump build dep on >= .96 [10:30] kubotu: help markov [10:30] markov plugin: listens to chat to build a markov chain, with which it can (perhaps) attempt to (inanely) contribute to 'discussion'. Sort of.. Will get a *lot* better after listening to a lot of chat. Usage: 'chat' to attempt to say something relevant to the last line of chat, if it can -- help topics: ignore, readonly, delay, status, probability, chat, chat about [10:30] yeah [10:30] yeah.. printing was done yesterday [10:30] sure [10:30] sure, it doesn't work? [10:30] a lot better [10:30] they already give a lot [10:31] kubotu: resca [10:31] kubotu: rescan [10:31] saving ... [10:31] rescanning ... [10:31] oh [10:31] I suppose that was a crash [10:31] kubotu: hello mr snowman [10:32] incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help hello' [10:32] lol [10:32] kubotu: help hallo [10:32] kubotu: help hello [10:32] no help for topic hallo [10:32] hello: creates a bot user for the person issuing the command [10:32] kubotu: hello [10:32] owner: salut [10:32] apachelogger: whats RTFMYILB :P [10:33] read the fucking manual you incredibly lazy bastard [10:33] :O [10:33] or something like that [10:33] dude nothing in the readme file [10:33] shadeslayer: also you need to imagine the bastard being prounounced in a sort of monty python way [10:33] read the fucking manual you incredibly lazy bastard [10:33] read the fucking manual you incredibly lazy bastard [10:33] see [10:33] he lerns already [10:33] kubotu: language! [10:33] also you need to imagine the bastard being prounounced in a sort of monty python way [10:34] kubotu: config set markov.probability 5 [10:34] fine [10:34] kubotu: help markov ignore [10:34] ignore hostmasks or channels -- topics: add, remove, list [10:34] kubotu: markov ignore ubottu [10:34] have markov ignore the input from a hostmask or a channel. usage: markov ignore add ; markov ignore remove ; markov ignore list [10:36] jussi: did you find the init script yet? [10:38] lol @ http://imagebin.ca/view/p6S-4fcd.html [10:38] shadeslayer: is it a spaceship? [10:39] no .... [10:39] oh [10:39] zombies [10:39] !!!! [10:39] ahhhh [10:39] yep [10:39] omg, it is the invasion of konsole zombies [10:39] omg [10:39] it filled the whole screen before.... [10:39] shadeslayer: why do you have that many konsole processes anyway? [10:39] * apachelogger got like 2 [10:39] one per screen [10:39] idk .... [10:39] i tried opening one konsole and voila [10:40] so, you broke it? [10:40] dunno... it seems to be working now [10:40] * jussi blames nixternal [10:41] nixternal broke it! [10:41] there you have it [10:41] apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/MzmJMg.html [10:41] yes! [10:41] * apachelogger is wondering why the kwin snow with a cube is not scoped to the workspaces [10:41] it looks kinda silly [10:41] espcially because the snow flakes that are on screen before zooming out do not do any rotation whatsoever [10:42] wow [10:42] the kubuntu cube has 2 sides [10:42] that is amazing [10:42] 2 'sides' ?? [10:42] yes [10:42] two [10:42] 1+1 [10:43] 3-1 [10:43] 4-2 [10:43] that is redundant [10:43] n, n+1 and n-1 is all we need [10:43] so [10:44] cubes with 2 screens of different size and with different desktops look silly [10:44] * apachelogger loves it [10:46] * apachelogger is wondering why wobbly windows cannot be thrown around [10:46] anybody able to test 4.5.4? [10:47] i could, since im on 4.5.3 [10:47] need to purge staging tho [10:48] shadeslayer: no no [10:48] hmm? [10:48] 4.6b1 is in staging [10:48] is it not? [10:48] Riddell: nothing's enough, eh? [10:48] yes [10:48] so you cannot purge staging [10:48] oh [10:48] shadeslayer: you mean ppa-purge? [10:48] no i meant from my system [10:48] lol yes [10:48] ok [10:49] that [10:49] is [10:49] silly [10:49] * apachelogger finds the name rather confusing anyway [10:49] Riddell: its in ninjas right? [10:49] purging a ppa == drop every package *in* the ppa [10:49] shadeslayer: yes [10:49] not installed from the ppa [10:49] apachelogger: id say deleting the ppa when i want to delete the ppa [10:50] Riddell: is 46b1 testable for me now? [10:50] shadeslayer: no [10:50] that is a different thing [10:50] purge != delete [10:50] apachelogger: only if you don't have kdepim 4.6 beta [10:50] Riddell: well, I do [10:50] when does kdepim get uploaded? [10:51] it just needs a rebuild i think [10:51] apachelogger: when bulldog98 is happy with it, and it'll go to experimental [10:51] well yes, experimental makes sense ^^ [10:52] * apachelogger is wondering why add-ppa-repo is not able to add a private ppa [10:52] silly thing [10:53] W: Failed to fetch https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz The requested URL returned error: 401 .... 0_O [10:53] Riddell: do you have l10n ready? [10:54] kubotu: google http 401 [10:54] Results for http 401: 1. HTTP Error 401 Unauthorized Explained: http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E401.html | 2. HTTP/1.1: Status Code Definitions: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html | 3. Troubleshooting HTTP 401 errors in IIS: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/907273 [10:54] I wonder why that could be [10:54] ... [10:54] doh... [10:54] i copied the sources line from the other thing .. [10:55] upgrading .... [10:56] apachelogger: ready to upload yes [10:56] ok [10:56] zomg .... 1 GB of updates [10:56] thanks to project neon ofcourse :P [10:56] when bulldog98 is happy with it, and it'll go to experimental [10:58] kubotu: project neon is not going to experimental [10:58] when bulldog98 is happy with it, and it'll go to experimental [10:58] kubotu: no, it won't! [11:06] Tm_T: can kopete not be better looking? [11:06] is wondering why add-ppa-repo is not scoped to the workspaces [11:07] kubotu: I am not sure that would make sense [11:09] apachelogger++ [11:09] what did I do? [11:10] that kopete looks horrible [11:10] I did not say that [11:10] .. that it could look better .... [11:11] Riddell: I am not sure why but my kpackagekit only lets me upgrade in junks of packages [11:11] very odd [11:11] shadeslayer: that is not the same thing [11:11] yes .. [11:12] * apachelogger is wondering if we have a browser for kubuntu-mobile at all [11:12] is wondering why the kwin snow with a cube is not the same thing [11:13] please dont use FF mobile ... [11:13] zomg .... 1 GB of updates [11:13] kubotu: no way.... [11:14] y'all are corrupting poor innocent kubotu [11:14] if only we had rekonq mobile :P [11:14] fie upon thee, shadeslayer [11:14] you and your rekonq! [11:14] lol ... [11:15] I wonder if the bot recognises me... [11:15] I wonder why that could be [11:15] kubotu: config set markov.probability 1 [11:15] jussi, you don't have 'config::edit::set' permissions here [11:15] zomg .... 1 GB of updates [11:15] apachelogger: bot says too many things [11:15] do you have that many konsole processes anyway? [11:15] shadeslayer: does :P [11:16] well, you are talking to him [11:16] what od you expect him to do? [11:17] * valorie goes to bed -- greetings to all you hard working men [11:17] hm [11:17] Riddell: I think my kpk is broken, so never mind me [11:18] valorie: nite [11:18] * apachelogger is wondering why valorie is up that late anyway [11:20] ok [11:20] Riddell: the PPA is crap [11:20] * apachelogger cannot get the right packages [11:20] constantly getting size mismatch errors [11:22] apachelogger: which PPA? [11:22] ninjas [11:22] so.. [11:22] apachelogger: ive done your transition package and kubuntu-web-shortcuts [11:22] W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 41101 20552 [11:22] ... [11:22] -.- [11:23] * apachelogger tries to fix [11:24] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/bg2htr4v << have a look at changelog [11:24] why does it have 2 entries? [11:25] 1 is for the dummy transition package [11:25] also the entries are not very descriptive :) [11:25] shadeslayer: only uploads get a changelog entry [11:25] dude! [11:25] whut? [11:25] i have kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts 11.04ubuntu1 [11:26] erm [11:26] 11.04ubuntu2 [11:26] which is a dummy package and will get uploaded [11:26] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts [11:26] yeah [11:26] launchpad does not [11:26] consequently that changelog entry mustnt be there [11:26] shadeslayer: wha? [11:26] shadeslayer: please read up on dummy packages [11:26] you have the wrong idea of how they work [11:27] do dummy packages not have changelogs? and since i changed the control file, does it not warrant a upload? [11:27] shadeslayer: ask the google for documentation [11:28] * shadeslayer is already doing that [11:28] just so we are clear... once kubntu-web-shortcuts is uploaded kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts will be removed [11:28] *completely* [11:28] ohh [11:28] source, binary.... [11:28] then i dont suppose i need a dummy package for it [11:28] eh [11:28] well [11:29] either you read or you think about it [11:29] but what you just said made as much sense as me doing glib programming [11:30] eh.. [11:30] hold on [11:30] should i or should i not, make a dummy transitional package? [11:31] and how does apt-get handle non exsistent packages in a future release [11:32] it leaves them alone? since from apt-get's POV there is no release? [11:32] hmm [11:33] but what about packages that depend on kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts? [11:33] what about them? [11:33] wont they will ftbfs if they dont find kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts in natty? [11:34] and wont it be better if we have kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts as a dummy package in natty [11:34] since thats how debian does it... [11:34] rather recommends doing it [11:34] shadeslayer: why would a package build depend on kks? [11:35] so kubuntu-desktop doesnt? [11:35] does it? [11:36] yes [11:36] well.. recommends [11:37] ah ok [11:37] me@avatar:~/tmp/kubuntu-meta-1.205$ grep Build-Depends debian/control [11:37] Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.8), germinate (>= 1.18) [11:37] http://pastebin.com/S0R13mv5 [11:37] no it does not [11:37] yeah [11:37] shadeslayer: that is not gonna upgrade [11:38] whut... [11:39] also add Provides: ? [11:40] apachelogger: whats the issue in that? [11:41] apachelogger: What did we want to call the new metapackage that includes "all crap on the dvd"? [11:42] hmm... [11:43] ScottK: kubuntu-omg-everything [11:43] shadeslayer: that you are guessing? [11:43] apachelogger: the point about provides? [11:44] yes [11:44] well... since i was doing the dummy package thing i didnt look into provides [11:44] apachelogger: I'll go with that until Riddell renames it. [11:45] * apachelogger must prevent Riddell from every noticing somehow [11:45] hmm... seems thats about the right way to do it... with Provides [11:47] whatever happened to the dummy anyway [11:47] oh [11:47] * apachelogger needs to leave [11:48] what dummy now! [11:49] apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental << kubuntu-web-shortcuts uploaded [11:50] * shadeslayer edit's wiki to reflect Neon changes [12:25] kubotu: yo [12:25] hello seele :) [12:25] lol [12:34] shadeslayer: the transitional package [12:34] seele: you'll encouraging it! [12:34] you said that kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts would be deleted [12:34] gosh that made no sense [12:34] seele: you'll encourage it! [12:35] Riddell: Now's the time when it would be simplest for you to object to kubuntu-omg-everything for the dvd metapackage name. [12:35] apachelogger's plan just got ruined :P [12:35] ScottK: why not just kubuntu-dvd ? [12:36] Seems boring and a bit tied to specific technology. [12:36] that sounds like it installs a free dvd :P [12:36] hahaha [12:36] We don't call the other one kubuntu-cd. [12:36] * apachelogger likes koe [12:37] Riddell: Also, I've had a few people test a hal free system and it seems to ~work, so I think it should go forward. [12:37] shadeslayer: kws does not provide kks [12:37] it provides kde-web-shortcuts, if anything [12:37] also while you are at it, you could fix the depends [12:38] because it only recommends rekonq|konqueror [12:38] ScottK: why the tilde? [12:38] * apachelogger doenst think we can strip ksmserver from mobile [12:38] yofel_ reported not having suspend/resume available anymore, so I think there are some issues, but basic power and disk management stuff seems to work. [12:39] shadeslayer: download url in copyright needs update [12:39] It's pretty trivial to add hal back if we need to later, but I think we ought to see how it goes without it. [12:39] ScottK: kubuntu-full ? (follows debian's kde-full) kubuntu-extra kubuntu-complete come to mind [12:40] apachelogger: Please find one of Riddell's boring suggestions that you find the least boring. He's probably right (the omg thing will be objectionable is some quarters in any case). [12:41]