[00:25] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[00:25] <_Groo_> a real quickie
[00:26] <_Groo_> apachelogger: im using pulseuadio with the vlc patches and phonon vlc 0.3.1
[00:26] <_Groo_> still crash all aplications on exit
[00:26] <_Groo_> so... i dont know who said to you this patches would solve it.. they dont :(
[01:18] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[01:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[01:19] <_Groo_> anyone alive?
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> huh, gtk-qt-engine now has a gtk3 theme
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> neat
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> are we currently pulling both gtk2 and gtk3 on the kubuntu CD at this point?
[02:41] <JontheEchidna> I think a gtk3-only CD would be much more attainable for Kubuntu
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> yay, the notifications no longer say "PowerDevil" as the title: http://imgur.com/kEpVT (barely caught it)
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> still could be improved. I think "Power Mangagement" would suffice
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> but I think trunk is frozen now :(
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> still, less jargon.
[02:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Running Natty?
[02:46] <JontheEchidna> yup
[02:46] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Could you install udisks and upower, remove hal, restart, and see how it goes?
[02:47] <ScottK> It should ~work.
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> neato
[02:47] <JontheEchidna> brb
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> powermanagement seems fine
[02:51] <JontheEchidna> I can finally access my NTFS drive without entering my password in that hackish kdesudo dialog
[02:52] <JontheEchidna> only niggle I can see: the /home and /root partitions show up as hard drives
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> http://imgur.com/y4HnS
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> hmm, seems dolphin has gone icon-only in the toolbar
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> well, I guess it make sense for forward/back/up
[02:53] <JontheEchidna> not so sure about the viewmode buttons
[02:56] <ScottK> Sounds workable.
[02:57] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If you look in startkde we use hal (lshal) to find out of the system has a cdrom.  Looking at the udisks man page it seems we could use it similarly.  Any chance you could have a look at that (should be relatively easy to sort from a running natty system)
[02:58] <JontheEchidna> my bash/sed/awk skillz are lacklustre
[03:53] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck updating a bunch of bugs so you have mail please follow up :)
[03:53] <DarkwingDuck> Will do. Thanks jjesse
[03:54] <jjesse> np trying to get back into kubuntu-docs work
[03:54] <jjesse> have you updated the entities files for defaults for natty?
[03:54] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, now that thanksgiving is over and my computer is semi working I'm jumping into it again.
[03:54] <DarkwingDuck> Not yet. Was going to do that next.
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: you want me to do it or, were you going to take it?
[04:01] <jjesse> you can
[04:01] <jjesse> when you are fixing a bug do in the bzr commit log do you state what bug it fixies
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> I do.
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> This way anyone reviewing it will be able to bounce it.
[04:02] <jjesse> hrmm cause then when the package is released it should resolve the bug
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> There is also a way (I don't remember how) to tag the bug as fix committed from bzr
[04:02] <jjesse> do you do the bzr commit --fixes
[04:02] <jjesse> or whatever it is
[04:02] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah.
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> bzr commit -m "This fixes LP Bug#blablabla"
[04:03] <DarkwingDuck> I think it's m
[04:03] <jjesse> yeah
[04:03]  * DarkwingDuck will have to check his cheat sheet
[04:03] <jjesse> i thought bugs fixed like that should change to fix released upon release of the package
[04:05] <DarkwingDuck> Yes, but not fix committed
[04:05] <DarkwingDuck> LP bugs have new, confermed, fix committed, fix released
[04:05] <kubotu> bugs have a backlog of planet ubuntu
[04:06] <jjesse> thought they change automatically when a package is released
[04:06] <DarkwingDuck> released yes, but for people like me who track status of bugs during a release...
[04:08] <DarkwingDuck> They will change to fix released when its released but, it's a good idea to change status to fix committed.
[04:09] <DarkwingDuck> There is a way to do that with BZR... I'll have to look at me cheat sheet again.
[04:09] <jjesse> ok
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: here is what to use...
[04:11] <DarkwingDuck> bzr commit --fixes lp:1234 -m "..."
[04:14] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: how are your bash skillz?
[04:35] <kubotu> how are kde is "only" a community
[04:35] <DarkwingDuck> Sometimes I think kubotu is a bit batty
[04:37] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone seen Valorie lately?
[04:58] <nixternal> you all are batty!
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> hey nixternal
[09:50] <shadeslayer> hm
[09:50] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no i was studuying, and marked as solved
[09:50] <shadeslayer> now to fixor package
[09:51] <shadeslayer> i suppose this warrants a brand new changelog?
[10:20] <Riddell> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
[10:20]  * Nightrose hands Riddell a B
[10:20] <Riddell> ?
[10:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no new changelog
[10:21] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:21] <Riddell> sorry about whatever that was
[10:21] <shadeslayer> conflicting answers :P
[10:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: what happened there :P
[10:21] <apachelogger> it was the Kubuntu effect
[10:21] <kubotu> needs to be able to hook functions between frames (so we can vote on the Kubuntu ninjas need kubuntu throwing stars. Thing the shop page disappear from the apachelogger q above... (just to be a pci routing issue. have you aliased.
[10:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: MOTU people say to preserve history
[10:22] <apachelogger> kubotu: you sure have suffered from brain damage
[10:22] <apachelogger> what has jussi done to you
[10:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is what I said?
[10:22] <apachelogger> no
[10:22] <apachelogger> new
[10:22] <apachelogger> changelog
[10:22] <apachelogger> ==
[10:22] <kubotu> new tarball?
[10:22] <apachelogger> keep
[10:22] <apachelogger> old
[10:22] <apachelogger> changelog
[10:22] <kubotu> == AND
[10:22] <apachelogger> ==
[10:22] <apachelogger> preserve
[10:22] <shadeslayer> ok ok ... right ...
[10:22] <apachelogger> history
[10:22]  * shadeslayer read that the other way round
[10:23] <apachelogger> then I would have made it no, new changelog :P
[10:23] <shadeslayer> thats how i read it :P
[10:23] <apachelogger> despite me being lazy when it comes to commas I am somewhat sure that I always apply the comma idiom when talking about confusing things :P
[10:23] <apachelogger> anyhow
[10:24] <apachelogger> so
[10:24] <apachelogger> ...
[10:24] <apachelogger> not sure if I have sufficiently ranted about it
[10:24] <shadeslayer> also, do i make kubuntu-konqeuror-shortcuts a dummy package with a depends on kubuntu-web-shortcuts
[10:24] <apachelogger> but my system freezes every now and then again and after that again
[10:24] <apachelogger> funny thing is that I tried about any method to debug or even gracefully reboot, and nothing worked
[10:25] <apachelogger> now I am on a testing account and do not see no freezes....
[10:25] <shadeslayer> that way we dont have to replace all instances of kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[10:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: shourtcuts dont work in krunner btw
[10:25] <apachelogger> they do
[10:25] <shadeslayer> not for me they dont
[10:25] <apachelogger> RTFM
[10:25] <apachelogger> RTFM!!!!!!!!
[10:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I suppose a transitional package is a good idea
[10:26] <shadeslayer> yeah..
[10:26] <shadeslayer> that way i dont piss off debian people as well....
[10:26] <kubotu> i dont remember going to upgrade the chroot
[10:26]  * shadeslayer notes kubotu has gone mad
[10:27] <apachelogger> well
[10:27] <apachelogger> ...
[10:27] <apachelogger> at least he is not in love with jussi
[10:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i type ubug:1 in krunner and it opens up dolphin with a dolphin window with akonadi:
[10:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: RTFMYILB!!!
[10:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[10:29] <kubotu> saving ...
[10:29] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[10:29] <kubotu> done. 10 core modules loaded; 52 plugins loaded; 33 plugins ignored; 1 plugin failed to load
[10:29] <shadeslayer> nothing special about krunner in readme
[10:29] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set markov.probability 100
[10:29] <kubotu> okay
[10:29] <apachelogger> hello hello
[10:29] <kubotu> hello seele!
[10:29] <apachelogger> lol
[10:29] <shadeslayer> rofl
[10:30] <kubotu> rofl (@ -certain- message)
[10:30] <kubotu> lol everything is in the doc path change and bump build dep on >= .96
[10:30] <apachelogger> kubotu: help markov
[10:30] <kubotu> markov plugin: listens to chat to build a markov chain, with which it can (perhaps) attempt to (inanely) contribute to 'discussion'. Sort of.. Will get a *lot* better after listening to a lot of chat. Usage: 'chat' to attempt to say something relevant to the last line of chat, if it can -- help topics: ignore, readonly, delay, status, probability, chat, chat about
[10:30] <apachelogger> yeah
[10:30] <kubotu> yeah.. printing was done yesterday
[10:30] <apachelogger> sure
[10:30] <kubotu> sure, it doesn't work?
[10:30] <apachelogger> a lot better
[10:30] <kubotu> they already give a lot
[10:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: resca
[10:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: rescan
[10:31] <kubotu> saving ...
[10:31] <kubotu> rescanning ...
[10:31] <apachelogger> oh
[10:31] <apachelogger> I suppose that was a crash
[10:31] <apachelogger> kubotu: hello mr snowman
[10:32] <kubotu> incorrect usage, ask for help using 'kubotu: help hello'
[10:32] <apachelogger> lol
[10:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: help hallo
[10:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: help hello
[10:32] <kubotu> no help for topic hallo
[10:32] <kubotu> hello: creates a bot user for the person issuing the command
[10:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: hello
[10:32] <kubotu> owner: salut
[10:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats RTFMYILB :P
[10:33] <apachelogger> read the fucking manual you incredibly lazy bastard
[10:33] <shadeslayer> :O
[10:33] <apachelogger> or something like that
[10:33] <shadeslayer> dude nothing in the readme file
[10:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also you need to imagine the bastard being prounounced in a sort of monty python way
[10:33] <kubotu> read the fucking manual you incredibly lazy bastard
[10:33] <kubotu> read the fucking manual you incredibly lazy bastard
[10:33] <apachelogger> see
[10:33] <apachelogger> he lerns already
[10:33] <apachelogger> kubotu: language!
[10:33] <kubotu> also you need to imagine the bastard being prounounced in a sort of monty python way
[10:34] <apachelogger> kubotu: config set markov.probability 5
[10:34] <kubotu> fine
[10:34] <apachelogger> kubotu: help markov ignore
[10:34] <kubotu> ignore hostmasks or channels -- topics: add, remove, list
[10:34] <apachelogger> kubotu: markov ignore ubottu
[10:34] <kubotu> have markov ignore the input from a hostmask or a channel. usage: markov ignore add <mask or channel>; markov ignore remove <mask or channel>; markov ignore list
[10:36] <apachelogger> jussi: did you find the init script yet?
[10:38] <shadeslayer> lol @ http://imagebin.ca/view/p6S-4fcd.html
[10:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is it a spaceship?
[10:39] <shadeslayer> no .... 
[10:39] <apachelogger> oh
[10:39] <apachelogger> zombies
[10:39] <apachelogger> !!!!
[10:39] <apachelogger> ahhhh
[10:39] <shadeslayer> yep 
[10:39] <apachelogger> omg, it is the invasion of konsole zombies
[10:39] <apachelogger> omg
[10:39] <shadeslayer> it filled the whole screen before.... 
[10:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why do you have that many konsole processes anyway?
[10:39]  * apachelogger got like 2
[10:39] <apachelogger> one per screen
[10:39] <shadeslayer> idk .... 
[10:39] <shadeslayer> i tried opening one konsole and voila
[10:40] <apachelogger> so, you broke it?
[10:40] <shadeslayer> dunno... it seems to be working now
[10:40]  * jussi blames nixternal
[10:41] <apachelogger> nixternal broke it!
[10:41] <apachelogger> there you have it
[10:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://imagebin.ca/view/MzmJMg.html
[10:41] <shadeslayer> yes!
[10:41]  * apachelogger is wondering why the kwin snow with a cube is not scoped to the workspaces
[10:41] <apachelogger> it looks kinda silly
[10:41] <apachelogger> espcially because the snow flakes that are on screen before zooming out do not do any rotation whatsoever
[10:42] <apachelogger> wow
[10:42] <apachelogger> the kubuntu cube has 2 sides
[10:42] <apachelogger> that is amazing
[10:42] <shadeslayer> 2 'sides' ??
[10:42] <apachelogger> yes
[10:42] <apachelogger> two
[10:42] <apachelogger> 1+1
[10:43] <apachelogger> 3-1
[10:43] <shadeslayer> 4-2 
[10:43] <apachelogger> that is redundant
[10:43] <apachelogger> n, n+1 and n-1 is all we need
[10:43] <apachelogger> so
[10:44] <apachelogger> cubes with 2 screens of different size and with different desktops look silly
[10:44]  * apachelogger loves it
[10:46]  * apachelogger is wondering why wobbly windows cannot be thrown around
[10:46] <Riddell> anybody able to test 4.5.4?
[10:47] <shadeslayer> i could, since im on 4.5.3
[10:47] <shadeslayer> need to purge staging tho
[10:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no no
[10:48] <shadeslayer> hmm?
[10:48] <apachelogger> 4.6b1 is in staging
[10:48] <apachelogger> is it not?
[10:48] <maco> Riddell: nothing's enough, eh?
[10:48] <shadeslayer> yes
[10:48] <apachelogger> so you cannot purge staging
[10:48] <apachelogger> oh
[10:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you mean ppa-purge?
[10:48] <shadeslayer> no i meant from my system
[10:48] <shadeslayer> lol yes
[10:48] <apachelogger> ok
[10:49] <apachelogger> that
[10:49] <apachelogger> is 
[10:49] <apachelogger> silly
[10:49]  * apachelogger finds the name rather confusing anyway
[10:49] <shadeslayer> Riddell: its in ninjas right?
[10:49] <apachelogger> purging a ppa == drop every package *in* the ppa
[10:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[10:49] <apachelogger> not installed from the ppa
[10:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: id say deleting the ppa when i want to delete the ppa
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: is 46b1 testable for me now?
[10:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no
[10:50] <apachelogger> that is a different thing
[10:50] <apachelogger> purge != delete
[10:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: only if you don't have kdepim 4.6 beta
[10:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I do
[10:50] <apachelogger> when does kdepim get uploaded?
[10:51] <shadeslayer> it just needs a rebuild i think
[10:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: when bulldog98 is happy with it, and it'll go to experimental
[10:51] <apachelogger> well yes, experimental makes sense ^^
[10:52]  * apachelogger is wondering why add-ppa-repo is not able to add a private ppa
[10:52] <apachelogger> silly thing
[10:53] <shadeslayer> W: Failed to fetch https://private-ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ninjas/ppa/ubuntu/dists/maverick/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz  The requested URL returned error: 401 .... 0_O
[10:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have l10n ready?
[10:54] <apachelogger> kubotu: google http 401
[10:54] <kubotu> Results for http 401: 1. HTTP Error 401 Unauthorized Explained: http://www.checkupdown.com/status/E401.html | 2. HTTP/1.1: Status Code Definitions: http://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec10.html | 3. Troubleshooting HTTP 401 errors in IIS: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/907273
[10:54] <apachelogger> I wonder why that could be
[10:54] <apachelogger> ...
[10:54] <shadeslayer> doh...
[10:54] <shadeslayer> i copied the sources line from the other thing ..
[10:55] <shadeslayer> upgrading ....
[10:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: ready to upload yes
[10:56] <apachelogger> ok
[10:56] <shadeslayer> zomg .... 1 GB of updates
[10:56] <shadeslayer> thanks to project neon ofcourse :P
[10:56] <kubotu> when bulldog98 is happy with it, and it'll go to experimental
[10:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: project neon is not going to experimental
[10:58] <kubotu> when bulldog98 is happy with it, and it'll go to experimental
[10:58] <apachelogger> kubotu: no, it won't!
[11:06] <apachelogger> Tm_T: can kopete not be better looking?
[11:06] <kubotu> is wondering why add-ppa-repo is not scoped to the workspaces
[11:07] <apachelogger> kubotu: I am not sure that would make sense
[11:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger++
[11:09] <apachelogger> what did I do?
[11:10] <shadeslayer> that kopete looks horrible
[11:10] <apachelogger> I did not say that
[11:10] <shadeslayer> .. that it could look better ....
[11:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not sure why but my kpackagekit only lets me upgrade in junks of packages
[11:11] <apachelogger> very odd
[11:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is not the same thing
[11:11] <shadeslayer> yes ..
[11:12]  * apachelogger is wondering if we have a browser for kubuntu-mobile at all
[11:12] <kubotu> is wondering why the kwin snow with a cube is not the same thing
[11:13] <shadeslayer> please dont use FF mobile ...
[11:13] <kubotu> zomg .... 1 GB of updates
[11:13] <shadeslayer> kubotu: no way....
[11:14] <valorie> y'all are corrupting poor innocent kubotu
[11:14] <shadeslayer> if only we had rekonq mobile :P
[11:14] <valorie> fie upon thee, shadeslayer
[11:14] <valorie> you and your rekonq!
[11:14] <shadeslayer> lol ... 
[11:15] <jussi> I wonder if the bot recognises me...
[11:15] <kubotu> I wonder why that could be
[11:15] <jussi> kubotu: config set markov.probability 1
[11:15] <kubotu> jussi, you don't have 'config::edit::set' permissions here
[11:15] <kubotu> zomg .... 1 GB of updates
[11:15] <jussi> apachelogger: bot says too many things
[11:15] <kubotu> do you have that many konsole processes anyway?
[11:15] <jussi> shadeslayer: does :P
[11:16] <apachelogger> well, you are talking to him
[11:16] <apachelogger> what od you expect him to do?
[11:17]  * valorie goes to bed -- greetings to all you hard working men
[11:17] <apachelogger> hm
[11:17] <apachelogger> Riddell: I think my kpk is broken, so never mind me
[11:18] <apachelogger> valorie: nite
[11:18]  * apachelogger is wondering why valorie is up that late anyway
[11:20] <apachelogger> ok
[11:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: the PPA is crap
[11:20]  * apachelogger cannot get the right packages
[11:20] <apachelogger> constantly getting size mismatch errors
[11:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: which PPA?
[11:22] <apachelogger> ninjas
[11:22] <shadeslayer> so..
[11:22] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ive done your transition package and kubuntu-web-shortcuts
[11:22] <apachelogger> W: Bizarre Error - File size is not what the server reported 41101 20552
[11:22] <apachelogger> ...
[11:22] <apachelogger> -.-
[11:23]  * apachelogger tries to fix
[11:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/bg2htr4v << have a look at changelog 
[11:24] <apachelogger> why does it have 2 entries?
[11:25] <shadeslayer> 1 is for the dummy transition package
[11:25] <apachelogger> also the entries are not very descriptive :)
[11:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only uploads get a changelog entry
[11:25] <shadeslayer> dude!
[11:25] <apachelogger> whut?
[11:25] <shadeslayer> i have kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts 11.04ubuntu1
[11:26] <shadeslayer> erm
[11:26] <shadeslayer> 11.04ubuntu2
[11:26] <shadeslayer> which is a dummy package and will get uploaded
[11:26] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts
[11:26] <apachelogger> yeah
[11:26] <apachelogger> launchpad does not
[11:26] <apachelogger> consequently that changelog entry mustnt be there
[11:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: wha?
[11:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: please read up on dummy packages
[11:26] <apachelogger> you have the wrong idea of how they work
[11:27] <shadeslayer> do dummy packages not have changelogs? and since i changed the control file, does it not warrant a upload?
[11:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ask the google for documentation
[11:28]  * shadeslayer is already doing that
[11:28] <apachelogger> just so we are clear... once kubntu-web-shortcuts is uploaded kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts will be removed
[11:28] <apachelogger> *completely*
[11:28] <shadeslayer> ohh
[11:28] <apachelogger> source, binary....
[11:28] <shadeslayer> then i dont suppose i need a dummy package for it
[11:28] <apachelogger> eh
[11:28] <apachelogger> well
[11:29] <apachelogger> either you read or you think about it
[11:29] <apachelogger> but what you just said made as much sense as me doing glib programming
[11:30] <shadeslayer> eh..
[11:30] <shadeslayer> hold on
[11:30] <shadeslayer> should i or should i not, make a dummy transitional package?
[11:31] <shadeslayer> and how does apt-get handle non exsistent packages in a future release
[11:32] <apachelogger> it leaves them alone? since from apt-get's POV there is no release?
[11:32] <shadeslayer> hmm
[11:33] <shadeslayer> but what about packages that depend on kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts?
[11:33] <apachelogger> what about them?
[11:33] <shadeslayer> wont they will ftbfs if they dont find kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts in natty?
[11:34] <shadeslayer> and wont it be better if we have kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts as a dummy package in natty
[11:34] <shadeslayer> since thats how debian does it...
[11:34] <shadeslayer> rather recommends doing it
[11:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why would a package build depend on kks?
[11:35] <shadeslayer> so kubuntu-desktop doesnt?
[11:35] <apachelogger> does it?
[11:36] <shadeslayer> yes
[11:36] <shadeslayer> well.. recommends
[11:37] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[11:37] <apachelogger> me@avatar:~/tmp/kubuntu-meta-1.205$ grep Build-Depends debian/control 
[11:37] <apachelogger> Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 7.0.8), germinate (>= 1.18)
[11:37] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/S0R13mv5
[11:37] <apachelogger> no it does not
[11:37] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is not gonna upgrade
[11:38] <shadeslayer> whut...
[11:39] <shadeslayer> also add Provides: ?
[11:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats the issue in that?
[11:41] <ScottK> apachelogger: What did we want to call the new metapackage that includes "all crap on the dvd"?
[11:42] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[11:43] <apachelogger> ScottK: kubuntu-omg-everything
[11:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that you are guessing?
[11:43] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the point about provides?
[11:44] <apachelogger> yes
[11:44] <shadeslayer> well... since i was  doing the dummy package thing i didnt look into provides
[11:44] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'll go with that until Riddell renames it.
[11:45]  * apachelogger must prevent Riddell from every noticing somehow
[11:45] <shadeslayer> hmm... seems thats about the right way to do it... with Provides
[11:47] <apachelogger> whatever happened to the dummy anyway
[11:47] <apachelogger> oh
[11:47]  * apachelogger needs to leave
[11:48] <shadeslayer> what dummy now!
[11:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental << kubuntu-web-shortcuts uploaded 
[11:50]  * shadeslayer edit's wiki to reflect Neon changes
[12:25] <seele> kubotu: yo
[12:25] <kubotu> hello seele :)
[12:25] <seele> lol
[12:34] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the transitional package
[12:34] <Riddell> seele: you'll encouraging it!
[12:34] <shadeslayer> you said that kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts would be deleted
[12:34] <Riddell> gosh that made no sense
[12:34] <Riddell> seele: you'll encourage it!
[12:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Now's the time when it would be simplest for you to object to kubuntu-omg-everything for the dvd metapackage name.
[12:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger's plan just got ruined :P
[12:35] <Riddell> ScottK: why not just kubuntu-dvd ?
[12:36] <ScottK> Seems boring and a bit tied to specific technology.
[12:36] <apachelogger> that sounds like it installs a free dvd :P
[12:36] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[12:36] <ScottK> We don't call the other one kubuntu-cd.
[12:36]  * apachelogger likes koe
[12:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Also, I've had a few people test a hal free system and it seems to ~work, so I think it should go forward.
[12:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: kws does not provide kks
[12:37] <apachelogger> it provides kde-web-shortcuts, if anything
[12:37] <apachelogger> also while you are at it, you could fix the depends
[12:38] <apachelogger> because it only recommends rekonq|konqueror
[12:38] <Riddell> ScottK: why the tilde?
[12:38]  * apachelogger doenst think we can strip ksmserver from mobile
[12:38] <ScottK> yofel_ reported not having suspend/resume available anymore, so I think there are some issues, but basic power and disk management stuff seems to work.
[12:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: download url in copyright needs update
[12:39] <ScottK> It's pretty trivial to add hal back if we need to later, but I think we ought to see how it goes without it.
[12:39] <Riddell> ScottK: kubuntu-full ?  (follows debian's kde-full) kubuntu-extra  kubuntu-complete  come to mind
[12:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Please find one of Riddell's boring suggestions that you find the least boring.  He's probably right (the omg thing will be objectionable is some quarters in any case).
[12:41] <apachelogger> well
[12:41] <ScottK> Riddell: I think I'm OK with any of those.
[12:41] <apachelogger> why are we never daring :(
[12:41] <apachelogger> piss of some people with fancy names
[12:41] <apachelogger> so the get jeallous or however that might be spelled
[12:41] <ScottK> Actually I think we may be ~stuck with dvd.
[12:41] <apachelogger> ScottK: kubuntu-full is in line with kde-full
[12:42]  * apachelogger finds them all rather silly
[12:42] <ScottK> germinate seems to want to follow seed names pretty closely.
[12:42] <ScottK> Time to get the youngest child up for school, so I'll have another look in a bit.
[12:42] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do we go about the provide etc stuff?
[12:43] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: all the suggestions somehow make kubuntu-desktop seem lesser
[12:43] <shadeslayer> also seems we have : Depends: rekonq | konqueror, ${misc:Depends}
[12:43] <shadeslayer> idk why it would only recommend them
[12:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dd
[12:43] <shadeslayer> dd? wha...
[12:43] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because they are not essential to the functionality of the webscortcuts
[12:43] <apachelogger> kdelibs is
[12:44] <apachelogger> kubotu: google vim dd
[12:44] <kubotu> Results for vim dd: 1. UNIX 101: vi Editor: http://www.uic.edu/depts/accc/software/unixgeneral/vi101.html | 2. Working Productively in Bash's Vi Command Line Editing Mode (with ...: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/bash-vi-editing-mode-cheat-sheet/ | 3. The vi editor: http://snap.nlc.dcccd.edu/learn/madden/intro/vi.html
[12:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: well it is
[12:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: not in a bad way though
[12:47] <ScottK> Actually I think I know how to do it.
[12:48] <ScottK> Argue away on names while I get the youngest ready for the day.
[12:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no i meant, how do we make the transition from kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts to kubuntu-web-shortcuts? like ... we add replaces/conflicts ... remove the provides from current package ... what else? 
[12:53] <shadeslayer> also .. i haz to go in 10 mins
[12:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: add a transitional package?
[12:57] <shadeslayer> its name being kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts?
[12:58] <apachelogger> well, I am almost out of battery oh dear oh dear
[12:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes
[12:58] <apachelogger> how else would it be transitional
[12:58] <shadeslayer> but didnt you say earlier that, that package would be removed
[12:58] <apachelogger> aha
[12:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the package created fromt he old source package
[12:59] <apachelogger> or rather, it will be replaced by the transitional one and we only need to nuke the old source package
[12:59] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[12:59] <shadeslayer> seems you forgot that part :P
[12:59] <kubotu> that is not what the server reported 41101 20552
[13:01] <apachelogger> no, I intentionally did not mention it, because I was counting on you being a good minion and research things for yourself to make sure I am not telling you smelly lies....
[13:01] <apachelogger> didnt work out it seems
[13:04] <ScottK> Riddell and apachelogger: I think kubuntu-full (we can blame Debian if someone doesn't like it).
[13:10] <shadeslayer> good thing i didnt delete my dummy package then
[13:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the other thing being the recommends issue, i can see in the control file it says Depends: rekonq | konqueror
[13:11] <shadeslayer> shouldnt that ... idk ... make kubuntu-web-shortcuts depend on them rather than recommend them
[13:11] <ScottK> They don't work with other browsers?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> ScottK: dont work with chromium from my testing
[13:12] <ScottK> OK.  How about Firefox?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> its a KDE thing i suppose :P
[13:12] <shadeslayer> didnt test with FF
[13:12] <ScottK> Well not necessarily, rekonq struggles to qualify for that label.
[13:13] <ScottK> Please do.
[13:14] <shadeslayer> hold on
[13:14] <shadeslayer> nope
[13:14] <shadeslayer> doesnt work in FF as well
[13:19] <eMyller> lol
[13:19]  * eMyller can't wait to test new stuff
[13:20] <eMyller> is it really very much dangerous to test stuff from staging ppa?
[13:20] <ScottK> eMyller: Often it is.
[13:20] <Riddell> eMyller: we are looking for testers
[13:20] <Riddell> eMyller: it has had some testing rounds already so it probably isn't dangerous at this stage
[13:20] <eMyller> i'm a edge user, anyway. just need to be able to code my python stuff in the same (only) machine i test things.
[13:21] <eMyller> good
[13:21] <eMyller> any specific target for testing?
[13:21] <Riddell> eMyller: make sure everything installs without overwrite errors and without removing packages it shouldn't remove
[13:22] <eMyller> gonna dd my / before installing
[13:22] <shadeslayer> eMyller: if you have kdepim 4.6 beta, then you will see that getting removed
[13:23] <eMyller> i heard about memory leaks. was it confirmed?
[13:23] <eMyller> shadeslayer: ↑
[13:23] <shadeslayer> mem leaks in kde pim?
[13:23] <eMyller> * kmail.
[13:23] <shadeslayer> oh... idk .. ive never really used it
[13:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ive uploaded the transitional package in the same ppa
[13:25] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental to be precise
[13:26] <shadeslayer> ill be back tommorow to fix the other issues you mentioned
[13:26] <eMyller> hey, is qt 4.7.1 in any known ppa?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> *tomorrow
[13:27] <shadeslayer> cya ...
[13:27] <ScottK> OK.  Full it is.
[13:28] <eMyller> cya shadeslayer
[13:36] <Riddell> "kdebase-workspace_4.5.80-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1_amd64.changes rejected" who uploaded that?
[13:36] <kubotu> ive uploaded the transitional package in natty
[13:37] <ScottK> kubotu: We're still in Alpha 1 freeze.
[13:37] <kubotu> howdy ScottK
[13:37] <kubotu> also .. i haz to go in 10 mins
[13:37] <ScottK> Howdy kubotu.
[13:37] <kubotu> salut ScottK
[13:38] <ScottK> I see you're sticking around since you've been encouraged by seele.
[13:46] <Riddell> Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-ppa/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/m/meta-kde/kde-plasma-desktop_63ubuntu7~maverick1~ppa1_all.deb  Size mismatch
[13:46] <Riddell> wibble
[13:49] <JontheEchidna> omg yes, kate finally has crash recovery
[13:49] <kubotu> the kubuntu cube has 2 sides
[13:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: have you put kubotu onto random repeat mode and ran away?
[13:51] <kubotu> if you don't have kdepim 4.6 beta
[13:51] <kubotu> Riddell: you hurt my feelings
[13:51] <Riddell> that solves that
[13:52] <Riddell> gah!
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: do you have feelings, really?
[13:53] <ScottK> Riddell: I'd try the PPA again in a few minutes.
[13:53] <ScottK> Probably Packages.gz out of sync.
[13:54] <Riddell> well I reuploaded meta-kde for luck
[13:54] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1202840 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationDetailsView/ (ApplicationDetailsWidget.cpp ApplicationDetailsWidget.h) Listen for transaction cancellations in the AppDetailsWidget too
[14:12] <yofel> Riddell: can you look at these? that was the result of my last 4.6 maverick test https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdelibs/4.5.80ubuntu3/+merge/42416 https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdebase-workspace/4.5.80ubuntu4_2/+merge/42419  https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeartwork/4.5.80ubuntu4_2/+merge/42420
[14:17] <Riddell> yofel: arg, more problems!
[14:20]  * yofel wonders why he never sees those in natty
[14:20] <yofel> heck, even maverick -> natty upgrade works fine here, just maverick 4.5 -> 4.6 breaks apart all the time
[14:21] <Riddell> shrug, many of those will depend if you installed 4.5.3 first
[14:22] <Riddell> yofel: looks go to go for kubuntu-ppa/staging upload to maverick
[14:22] <yofel> thanks
[14:22] <ScottK> Riddell: We should fix those too since eventually we'll want 4.5.x in updates
[14:22] <ScottK> OK.  Kubuntu-full is ready to go.
[14:23] <Riddell> ScottK: yes indeed
[14:23] <yofel> Riddell: you said 4.5.4 was ready to be tested?
[14:25] <Riddell> yofel: it is, in ninjas
[14:25] <yofel> k, I'll update my other pc then
[14:25] <ScottK> Riddell: I uploaded kubuntu-meta with kubuntu-full (and the de-halification changes).  It'll hit binary New, so please let it out after Alpha 1 is released.
[14:26] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^ dvd is now an equal citizen with the cd as requested.
[14:26] <Riddell> ScottK: groovy, thanks
[14:26] <Riddell> yofel: bzr branches merged
[14:28] <Riddell> ScottK: hal us more than a seeds issue, kdebase-runtime recommends it
[14:29] <ScottK> Riddell: Yep.  Also needs a tweak to startkde.
[14:29] <ScottK> I have -runtime ready for after Alpha 1.
[14:29] <Riddell> ScottK: oh?  what's in there?
[14:29] <ScottK> Riddell: You used lshal to see if there's a CD for the netbook detection.
[14:30] <Riddell> oh aye, duh
[14:30] <ScottK> We can use udisks for the same thing I believe, just needs a system with natty and a CD and some shell fiddling.
[14:30] <Riddell> alpha 1 candidate CDs coming soon if you're interested in an excuse to install natty :)
[14:32] <nixternal> will natty install now? I tried the other day unsuccessfully
[14:32] <nixternal> seems ubiquity was broken
[14:32] <nixternal> the live cd worked well I might add
[14:32] <yofel> ScottK: by the way, usb flash drives and my dvd drive both work fine without hal
[14:33] <ScottK> yofel: Cool.
[14:33]  * yofel wonders whose idea it was to use the UUID as media/<foldername> though, looks much more cryptical than /media/disk
[14:33] <ScottK> Riddell: The system I'd put it on doesn't have a CD.
[14:33] <yofel> ... if there's no lable
[14:33] <yofel> *label
[14:36] <Riddell> nixternal: new CDs building now if you are able to test, should work fine
[14:36] <nixternal> i will test tonight after work
[14:37] <ScottK> Riddell: I updated the TODO as well.
[14:41] <yofel> ScottK: want me to test something cd related? since I've already got a cd mounted in natty here
[14:41] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.
[14:41] <ScottK> If you look at the startkde issue, we need to figure out what to replace the lshal command with.
[14:42] <ScottK> Looking at the udisks man page is seems pretty straightforward, but one needs some actual output to work with.
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> oh, I've noticed that since removing HAL I no longer get suspend/hibernate options in KDE
[14:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We need to figure that one out.
[14:42] <ScottK> That's the one problem we've noted so far.
[14:45] <yofel> grrr... how can I make nepomukfilewatch permantently die? it uses a ton of I/O which I need otherwise *-.-
[14:48] <Riddell> yofel: turn it off in system settings
[14:48] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I bet afiestas could help us out with upower when he's around.
[14:48] <Riddell> you want to ask in #solid
[14:49] <ScottK> Anyone have any changes pending for -runtime?
[14:50] <Riddell> nope, they'd be in bzr if they were
[14:52] <JontheEchidna> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258400 <- should be fixed in beta 2
[14:53] <ScottK> I'll send mail to kubuntu-devel.
[15:07] <ScottK> yofel: Could you pastebin me the output of udisks --dump while your CD is attached?
[15:10] <yofel> ScottK: see sr0 at the bottom http://paste.ubuntu.com/539004/
[15:10] <ScottK> Thanks
[15:20] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1202863 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (12 files in 4 dirs) Implement transaction cancelling.
[15:32]  * ari-tczew has just switched from gnome to kde
[15:32] <ari-tczew> could someone highlight me?
[15:32] <Riddell> ari-tczew: welcome along
[15:35] <Riddell> ** new kubuntu CDs for testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20101202/
[15:35] <ari-tczew> Riddell: hmmm... konversation's notification seems to not working
[15:36] <Riddell> by default in maverick it uses the message indicator
[15:37] <Riddell> if you want other notifications you need to turn them on
[15:38] <ari-tczew> Riddell: I'm running natty
[15:40] <Riddell> same thing
[15:41] <ulysses> Ubiquity crashes
[15:43] <Riddell> ulysses: with a bracktrace?
[15:43] <Riddell> ulysses: using the latest one?
[15:43] <Riddell> 2.5.4
[15:43] <ulysses> Riddell: yes, I use zsync
[15:45] <Riddell> ulysses: file a bug with  ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[15:49] <Riddell> 4.5.4 running well on my netbook
[15:49] <Riddell> I think I'll copy it over to updates PPA
[15:49] <ulysses> hm, it works, maybe Virtualbox stupid 
[15:50] <Riddell> ulysses: what works?
[15:50] <ulysses> Ubiquity
[15:51] <ulysses> but this bold text is a bit strange formatted: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ulysses/natty.png
[15:51] <Riddell> what did you change?
[15:51] <Riddell> yes that's a bug, report that if you like
[15:52] <ulysses> I readded the ISO in Virtualbox
[16:06] <eMyller> 'lo
[16:07] <eMyller> Riddell: running a dist-upgrade after adding staging ppa; it asks for removing the following packages: kdelibs-data kdelibs4c2a libakonadiprivate1 libkephal4 libkonq5 libprocesscore4a libsolidcontrolifaces4 libtaskmanager4a
[16:07] <eMyller>   libweather-ion5 plasma-widget-smooth-tasks
[16:10] <ulysses> smooth-tasks noooooooooo :'(
[16:11] <eMyller> what's up with it?
[16:11] <ulysses> my favorite
[16:11] <eMyller> oh
[16:11] <ulysses> and the evid dist-upgrade wants to remove it???
[16:11] <ulysses> evil
[16:11] <eMyller> i wish there was a dock widget
[16:12] <eMyller> actually there is one, but it doesn't work well
[16:15] <apachelogger> Nightrose: it arravied
[16:15] <apachelogger> hooray
[16:15] <apachelogger> merci beaucoup
[16:15]  * apachelogger dances
[16:15]  * apachelogger sits down and pokes rbelem
[16:15] <Nightrose> apachelogger: :)
[16:15] <Nightrose> enjoy
[16:15] <apachelogger> rbelem: how does one install maemo 5pre1.3?
[16:16] <rbelem> apachelogger, \o/
[16:16]  * rbelem looks for the link
[16:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, go to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
[16:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, and download RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
[16:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, and the flasher package
[16:19] <apachelogger> ah
[16:19]  * apachelogger did not notice the flasher ^^
[16:19] <rbelem> i think the version is 3.5
[16:20] <rbelem> apachelogger, maybe you want to download RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin
[16:21] <rbelem> or your region EMMC
[16:21] <apachelogger> what is emmc?
[16:21] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[16:21] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ping
[16:22] <apachelogger> no time, we are doing mobile haxx0ring
[16:22] <rbelem> apachelogger, this image will flash some defaults to n900 internal mmc
[16:23] <apachelogger> ok flasher installed
[16:24] <apachelogger> uh
[16:24] <rbelem> nice
[16:24] <apachelogger> the emmc is bigy
[16:24] <kubotu> it is, in ninjas right?
[16:24] <apachelogger> rbelem: do I need the emmc first?
[16:24] <apachelogger> cause the other bin is already done downloading
[16:24] <rbelem> apachelogger, you need both
[16:24] <kubotu> you want other notifications you need to be working now
[16:24] <_Groo_> apachelogger: hey :)
[16:24] <apachelogger> fooey
[16:25] <rbelem> for a clean flash
[16:25]  * apachelogger waits for 2 minutes then
[16:25] <_Groo_> apachelogger: i installed a pulseaudio with the patches you told me, and phonon-vlc still crashes on exit
[16:25] <rbelem> apachelogger, which emmc bin are you downloading?
[16:26] <apachelogger> rbelem: vanilla
[16:26] <apachelogger> rbelem: there only is vanilla anyway
[16:27] <rbelem> hum...
[16:27]  * rbelem grabs his n900 and removes the battery
[16:28] <apachelogger> rbelem: ok, all done
[16:28] <rbelem> apachelogger, cool!
[16:29] <rbelem> apachelogger, your internet connection is really fast
[16:29] <rbelem> :-)
[16:29] <rbelem> apachelogger, now...
[16:29] <rbelem> apachelogger, turn off your n900
[16:29] <rbelem> apachelogger, is it fully charged?
[16:30] <apachelogger> no
[16:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, half at least?
[16:30] <apachelogger> sorta
[16:30] <apachelogger> probably a bit under half
[16:30] <rbelem> hum...
[16:30] <rbelem> ok
[16:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, run sudo flasher-3.5 -f -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
[16:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, wait and do not turn off
[16:32] <apachelogger> Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
[16:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[16:33] <rbelem> apachelogger, now turn on again
[16:33] <apachelogger> working
[16:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, sudo flasher-3.5 -f -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin --enable-rd-mode 
[16:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, when it finished run the cmd line above
[16:34] <rbelem> do not turn off or unplug usb
[16:34] <rbelem> :-)
[16:35] <rbelem> apachelogger, sudo flasher-3.5 -f -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin --enable-rd-mode  -R
[16:35] <rbelem> forgot the -R
[16:35] <rbelem> -R == reboot
[16:36] <apachelogger> working
[16:36] <apachelogger> rbelem: done
[16:37] <rbelem> sweet :-)
[16:37] <Riddell> eMyller: that's fine
[16:37]  * rbelem is tuning on his n900
[16:38] <rbelem> turning*
[16:38] <apachelogger> rbelem: it is blinking yellow/orangish, is that a good or a bad sign?
[16:38]  * apachelogger thinks that it might be the charging indicator ^^
[16:38] <rbelem> yup
[16:39] <rbelem> it is charging
[16:39]  * apachelogger fires it up
[16:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, after login
[16:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: it is doing a bubble dance
[16:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, connect to internet and open the terminal
[16:40] <kubotu> We don't call the other thing being the recommends issue, i can see in the same thing I didnt delete my dummy package in the same thing I didnt delete my dummy package thing i didnt look into provides
[16:40] <rbelem> :-)
[16:41] <rbelem> apachelogger, in the n900 terminal
[16:42] <rbelem> apachelogger, sudo gainroot
[16:42] <rbelem> apachelogger, apt-get update
[16:42] <rbelem> apachelogger, apt-get install openssh-server
[16:43] <apachelogger> it doesnt look much different, does it?
[16:43] <rbelem> eheheh
[16:44] <apachelogger> rbelem: sudo gainroot says I shall enable rd mode if I want to break my device...
[16:44] <rbelem> apachelogger, add this to your /etc/network/interfaces http://paste.ubuntu.com/539043/
[16:44] <kubotu> I'd try the ppa when I want to delete the ppa again in a few people test a hal free system and it seems
[16:44] <rbelem> oh!
[16:44] <rbelem> apachelogger, you must turn off your device
[16:44] <apachelogger> yes
[16:44] <rbelem> apachelogger, and sudo flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode
[16:45] <Riddell> yofel: meh I found more overwrite errors in kdebase-workspace, uploaded
[16:45] <yofel> :S
[16:46] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: what's the deadline for backporting stuff into Maverick?
[16:46] <apachelogger> rbelem: and turn it on?
[16:46] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[16:46] <apachelogger> ah
[16:46] <apachelogger> nvm
[16:46] <apachelogger> seems to have worked
[16:48] <rbelem> apachelogger, after install the openssh-server
[16:48] <rbelem> apachelogger, ifup usb0 on n900 terminal
[16:48] <rbelem> apachelogger, and sudo ifup usb0 on your machine
[16:49] <rbelem> apachelogger, after that you can ssh root@192.168.2.15
[16:50] <rbelem> :-)
[16:51] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you buy the microsd?
[16:51] <apachelogger> no
[16:51] <apachelogger> there was a snow storm
[16:51] <apachelogger> will 2 gb suffice
[16:52] <rbelem> probably not :-(
[16:53] <apachelogger> meh
[16:55] <rbelem> apachelogger, add to your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list 
[16:55] <rbelem> deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free
[16:55] <rbelem> then install uboot-pr13
[16:56] <rbelem> :-)
[16:56] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm going to lunch
[16:56] <rbelem> brb
[16:57] <eMyller> Riddell: "that' fine" == let them be removed?
[16:58] <apachelogger> rbelem: btw, did you try meego?
[16:58] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[16:58] <rbelem> apachelogger, it looks nice, but too slow on micro sd class 2
[16:58] <kubotu> it looks kinda silly
[16:58] <rbelem> :-D
[16:59] <rbelem> apachelogger, you need class 10
[16:59] <rbelem> do not buy lower than 10
[16:59] <rbelem> :-)
[17:00] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will try the newer meego kernel on kubuntu-mobile
[17:00] <rbelem> i think it will work
[17:00] <rbelem> brb
[17:04] <Riddell> eMyller: yes
[17:04] <eMyller> okay
[17:08] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: http://imagebin.ca/view/mY1qZuf.html <--- wtf?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: possibly adblock
[17:11] <apachelogger> rbelem: sweet
[17:11] <apachelogger> rbelem: btw usb0 stuff aint working
[17:11] <shadeslayer> try refreshing the page or disable adblock
[17:11] <apachelogger> n900 throws no such device erors
[17:11] <apachelogger> and pc too
[17:11] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: also, i dropped the phone today :p
[17:12] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-454
[17:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: it's still alive?
[17:12] <shadeslayer> yus
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: i need to find a meego ROM for it tho
[17:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: That's not AdBloK
[17:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: works for me from git
[17:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: congrats :D
[17:13] <Quintasan> rekonq from git? :P
[17:13] <shadeslayer> yes :P
[17:13] <kubotu> yes that's a bug, report that if you don't have kdepim 4.6 beta, then you will see that getting removed
[17:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Meego ROM for Desire?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: aye
[17:14] <shadeslayer> and possible a plasma-mobile one :>
[17:14] <shadeslayer> *possibly
[17:14] <Quintasan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtnfHNjcdzg
[17:14] <Quintasan> like this
[17:15] <shadeslayer> looking
[17:15] <shadeslayer> yeah
[17:16] <shadeslayer> no ROM's afaik
[17:35] <rbelem> apachelogger, you need select pc suite mode when connecting the usb
[17:48]  * rbelem pokes apachelogger 
[18:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: works now, thanks
[18:40] <apachelogger> rbelem: is there any power management app thing
[18:40] <apachelogger> or power stats stuff
[18:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup... let me check the name
[18:40] <rbelem> :-)
[18:53] <dantti_work> when I fix is done upstream but it won't be released before natty (translations reason) I change the status of a bug to fix commited? or commited is to fixes commited to lp?
[18:55] <JontheEchidna> dantti_work: you can mark it fix committed if it is comitted upstream.
[18:56] <dantti_work> JontheEchidna: k, thanks
[19:07] <maco> apachelogger: was aurelien not at uds?
[19:08] <maco> oh no brain fail
[19:08] <maco> he was at the end of the table at dinner, thats right
[19:08] <maco> and telling me to use the ide you hate
[19:17] <kronos> apachelogger, hey..
[19:18] <Tm_T> apachelogger: sorry, I cannot even think of touching/reading/thinking any code until I get some stuff arranged around here
[20:14] <bulldog98> Riddell: what’s about the kdepim package?
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> whoa, I left the same garage 10 minutes after this happened: http://www.wmur.com/news/25996687/detail.html
[21:05] <JontheEchidna> guess I'm lucky the bus to the garage was 5 minutes late
[21:14] <Tm_T> uhh, for KDE 4.6, where's polkit-qt-1 new enough for Maverick?
[21:16] <eMyller> k, i didn't find a good time to upgrade with staging ppa.
[21:16] <kubotu> time to get the youngest child up for school, so I'll have another look in a future release
[21:16] <eMyller> having lots of conflicts right now, of course.
[21:16] <jjesse> with whatever was on kubuntu website i upgraded and it took forever for my vm but it is
[21:18] <DarkwingDuck> hey jjesse you get my messages last night re bzr?
[21:18] <yofel> Tm_T: we have 4.6 packages in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/staging which are being tested, which includes policykit and polkit-qt backports for maverick
[21:18] <Tm_T> yofel: ah, nice, thanks
[21:18] <eMyller> what is being uploaded to staging right now?
[21:19] <yofel> eMyller: staging currently has maverick 4.6 packages, we're still working out overwrite errors on update though
[21:19] <eMyller> yofel: there's a kde-workspace being built in there
[21:19] <eMyller> was it a any build fix?
[21:20] <eMyller> s/a any/a
[21:21] <yofel> er, that was a new upload with some more dpkg replaces, the packages themselves build fine, but the update tests give file overwirite errors, I hope we got most by now
[21:22] <yofel> I'll do another update test once workspace is published
[21:30] <eMyller> got a file overwrite error on the package libhupnp0
[21:30] <eMyller> got to dpkg --remove hupnp to make the upgrade work.
[21:53] <eMyller> yofel: ↑
[21:57] <yofel> eMyller: hupnp0 doesn't exist in maverick before 4.6, so what exactly failed there?
[21:57] <eMyller> yofel: weird, i had it installed here.
[21:58] <yofel> eMyller: if you mean 'libhupnp0'
[21:58] <eMyller> i had to remove it with dpkg in order to install libhupnp0 (from the staging ppa)
[22:02] <ulysses> we don't have an alpha 1 announcement? o.O
[22:18] <Riddell> ulysses: want to make one?
[22:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I just uploaded the runtime change for getting rid of hal.  
[22:19] <ScottK> If you haven't had a chance to New kubuntu-meta, nowish would be a  cool time to do it.
[22:22] <Riddell> ScottK: accepted!
[22:22] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.
[22:23] <ulysses> Riddell: I don't have time, I have to write a Matlab program until saturday:(
[22:25] <ScottK> Riddell and apachelogger: We should think about if a dvd install should automatically install kubuntu-full or not.
[22:27] <Riddell> ScottK: why not?
[22:28] <Riddell> just put the meta package on the dvd same as we do for kubuntu-desktop on CDs
[22:28] <ScottK> I did.
[22:28] <ScottK> I guess that's all it needs then?
[22:28] <Riddell> yes
[22:29] <Riddell> yofel: how do you think we're doing for 4.6 beta readyness?
[22:29] <yofel> just have an upgrade running
[22:29] <yofel> fine so far......
[22:31] <yofel> Riddell: hurray, finished fine (kubuntu-desktop + kde-full + kde*-dbg)
[22:32] <yofel> maybe I should try another one with the -dev packages thouhg
[22:32] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/natty-alpha-1
[22:36] <Riddell> yofel: I'm doing similar on an EC2 machine
[22:36] <Riddell> it probably wouldn't be hard to script this with EC2
[22:50] <yofel> second run worked fine too
[23:16] <yofel> Riddell: did some more tests, all fine
[23:16]  * yofel is off to bed
[23:16] <yofel> good night
[23:19] <Riddell> thanks yofel 
[23:19] <kubotu> thanks to project neon is not gonna upgrade
[23:20] <yofel> kubotu: definitely not
[23:38] <Riddell> yofel: hmm, found another overwrite error in kde4libs
[23:38] <Riddell> they just keep on coming
[23:41] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Is there a deadline for backporting 10.10/4.5 docs?
[23:42] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Or, shall i submit it with the 11.04/4.6 docs?
[23:42] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: there's no deadline for anything with 10.10, it has been released and SRUs happen when people do them
[23:43] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Sweet, do we have a list of things that have been backported that would change anything?
[23:44] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: see the maverick-changes mailing list but there's only bug fixes allowed in updates, no UI changes
[23:44] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: by the way ofir says he has some new pages coming on the website that will need checking for content and grammer, maybe you know someone who could help with that?
[23:45] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: I got his email and I'm going to help with that... have not replied to it yet but, if you see him prior to my email I'll be gladly helping with that...
[23:45] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Also, going to work on procuring help.kubuntu
[23:45] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: what will you put at help.kubuntu?
[23:46] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: what we talked about at UDS. Docs and other how-to pages much like help.ubuntu
[23:46] <Riddell> yofel: kde4libs uploaded, maybe we'll get lucky tomorrow morning
[23:46] <Riddell> DarkwingDuck: groovy
[23:46]  * Riddell sleeping
[23:46] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: Sleep my friend.