[00:00] <Jordan_U> dan2: What exactly do you have booted, Ubuntu or Super GRUB Disk?
[00:00] <dan2> super grub disk in to some bootleg terminal only ubuntu
[00:02] <dan2> ok
[00:02] <dan2> so what do I do now?
[00:03] <dan2> I see this bluescreen menu briefly flash in and out
[00:03] <dan2> like it has the option I want to choose
[00:03] <dan2> to reinstall grub
[00:03] <dan2> but I can't select it
[00:03] <dan2> before it just disappears
[00:04] <Jordan_U> dan2: Are you at a terminal currently?
[00:04] <dan2> yes
[00:04] <Jordan_U> dan2: Run "dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc".
[00:05] <Jordan_U> dan2: When it asks for "install devices" be sure that your boot drive, probably "/dev/sda", is selected and *no* partitions, like "/dev/sda1" are selected.
[00:06] <dan2> Jordan_U, wonder if the hard disk is bad
[00:06] <dan2> I just reinstalled to sdb
[00:06] <dan2> which USB drive was SDA
[00:07] <dan2> never brings me to a menu
[00:07] <Jordan_U> dan2: I'm not clear on what you have done. Did you run dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc?
[00:08] <dan2> yes I did that
[00:08] <dan2> the usb drive with super grub boot disk was sda
[00:08] <dan2> so I only installed to sdb
[00:09] <Jordan_U> dan2: Good. Hopefully that fixed things, though it's hard to say without knowing what the original cause of the problem was.
[00:09] <dan2> didn't fix squat
[00:09] <Jordan_U> dan2: What exactly happens when you try to boot from the internal drive?
[00:09] <dan2> goes directly back to the bios
[00:10] <dan2> I was able to pick a kernel and boot with it from super grub disk
[00:10] <dan2> but have no idea what is wrong with that drive now..
[00:11] <Jordan_U> dan2: Could you run boot info script as explained here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1291280 and pastebin the RESULTS.txt?
[00:11] <dan2> asking a lot to paste
[00:11] <dan2> for something that has no X windows
[00:11] <Jordan_U> !pastebinit | dan2
[00:12] <dan2> ok
[00:14] <dan2> man
[00:14] <dan2> didn't mount this time
[00:15] <dan2> alright
[00:15] <dan2> this thing is toast\
[00:15] <dan2> probably bad drive
[00:15] <dan2> been shipped around the country too many times
[00:16] <dan2> does the ubuntu daily x264 have unity as default?
[00:16] <dan2> x64
[00:17] <charlie-tca> yes
[00:18] <charlie-tca> dan2, the daily and daily-live default to unity now.
[00:18] <dan2> man
[00:18] <dan2> cdimage.ubuntu.org is slow
[00:18] <dan2> .com
[00:18] <charlie-tca> testing day
[00:19] <dan2> it's like 30K per second right now
[00:19] <dan2> is there a netinst version of this?
[00:19] <coz_> I dont think
[00:20] <coz_> dan2,  the only net install i recall is from debian
[00:21] <Pici> dan2: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/
[00:21] <Pici> dunno how tested they are though.
[00:22] <dan2> eh
[00:22] <dan2> how do I make an image from this?
[00:23]  * Pici shrugs
[00:23] <coz_> dan2,  download the mini.iso
[00:23] <coz_> I;m surprised its even there actually
[00:25] <coz_> mm I do notice that xchat on natty .. at this point..does not remember its settings
[00:37] <dan2> well
[00:37] <dan2> apparently the netboot doesn't work to save it's life
[03:34] <cozziemoto> ok guys.. on natty..unity..I read there was a way to move the Panel to the bottom or whereever... anyone know how to do this?
[03:52] <dan2> does anyone else get window manager disappearing on this natty live cd?
[03:56] <charlie-tca> dan2, got to get the newest one. 20101202 is working
[03:57] <charlie-tca> but, yes, the version before 02 is broken
[03:57] <dan2> I downloaded "current"
[03:57] <dan2> doesn't that point to that one?
[03:57] <dan2> and secondly
[03:57] <dan2> what specifically fixes the issue?
[03:57] <charlie-tca> Yeah, we just uploaded a new one about 2 hours ago
[03:57] <dan2> so after I finish my install, I can update
[03:58] <dan2> ahh
[03:58] <dan2> I must have downloaded 20101201.1
[03:58] <dan2> charlie-tca, so what fixes it?
[03:58] <charlie-tca> lp:~canonical-dx-team/unity/unity.fix-682345
[03:58] <dan2> what am I supposed to do with that?
[03:58] <charlie-tca> has to do with bug 682345
[03:59] <charlie-tca> you asked for the specific fix
[03:59] <dan2> what package do I need to upgrade?
[03:59] <dan2> unity?
[03:59] <charlie-tca> Not sure. something to do with renaming the example.desktop file
[04:00] <charlie-tca> I just zsync the image to update it
[04:00] <dan2> I've already started the install process
[04:00] <dan2> from USB flash to USB flash
[04:00] <dan2> I'm not redoing it
[04:03] <charlie-tca> okay. At least you know that is a known issue, right?
[04:03] <dan2> ya, it's been broken on my desktop since I upgraded to this
[04:04] <charlie-tca> Hopefully, that fix works for you, too. It fixed the live cd
[04:04] <dan2> k
[04:04] <dan2> is there anyway to keep the same theme for window borders but move all the buttons to the right hand corner of the window instead of the left
[04:04] <dan2> it is really annoying on the left
[04:05] <dan2> I haven't seen anything in appearance that lets me do that
[04:05] <charlie-tca> there is, but I don't know what you doe for it
[04:08] <charlie-tca> dan2, there might be an easier way, but here is one way to move the buttons
[04:09] <charlie-tca> http://blog.daviey.com/blogroll/anything-but-the-buttons.html
[04:09] <dan2> charlie-tca, how do I get to the launcher favorites list?
[04:09] <charlie-tca> no idea
[04:10] <charlie-tca> I can't really do much with unity and compiz, myself. I run Xubuntu because it works for me
[04:12] <dan2> man
[04:13] <dan2> us.archive.ubuntu.com is brutally slow
[04:15] <charlie-tca> yes
[04:19] <Ambeer> ok so like
[04:19] <Ambeer> i am on the current 11.04 release
[04:19] <Ambeer> and alpha1 releases tomorrow
[04:19] <Ambeer> Am I going to have to download the new ISO tomorrow?
[04:19] <charlie-tca> no
[04:19] <charlie-tca> !final
[04:20] <charlie-tca> that applies to natty now instead of maverick
[04:20] <Ambeer> it says in my sys info
[04:20] <Ambeer> Release: 11.04 (natty)
[04:20] <Ambeer> also, does alpha 1 come out at midnight?
[04:21] <Ambeer> Or some time tomorrow
[04:21] <IdleOne> Ambeer: basically keep installing updates and you will be at alpha1
[04:21] <Ambeer> another question. I do not have unity ui
[04:21] <charlie-tca> some time tomorrow, before midnite thursday UTC normally
[04:21] <Ambeer> alpha 1 should put me on Unity, right?
[04:22] <charlie-tca> !no, final is If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Natty Narwhal and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Natty. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
[04:23] <Ambeer> So after I do dist-upgrade
[04:23] <Ambeer> ill be on Unity?
[04:23] <Ambeer> tomorrow ofc
[04:23] <charlie-tca> You might have to choose desktop session on the login screen.
[04:23] <Ambeer> Thats another problem
[04:23] <Ambeer> desktop session doesnt even start up
[04:24] <Ambeer> And classic desktop barely does
[04:24] <IdleOne> well, it is pre-alpha
[04:24] <IdleOne> bugs and brokenness is expected
[04:25] <IdleOne> even welcome for some
[04:25] <Ambeer> Yea
[04:25] <Ambeer> Whenever i start up none of the apps start (like show desktop, and the top bar)
[04:25] <Ambeer> so like hopefully alpha fixes that
[04:26] <dan2> damn
[04:26] <dan2> I'm still having the identical boot problem
[04:26] <IdleOne> I wouldn't hold my breath
[04:27] <IdleOne> the Adoption of Unity has brought in some new difficulties, more so then a regular new release
[04:27] <Ambeer> But they've used it in Netbook
[04:27] <Ambeer> so it's not that new
[04:27] <IdleOne> Why did I capitalize Adoption :/
[04:27] <dan2> ARRRGHGHHH
[04:28] <dan2> why can't I boot any of these new ubuntu installs
[04:28] <Ambeer> hrm
[04:28] <dan2> I can't get to grub
[04:28] <dan2> it's just rolls back and forth through the bios
[04:28] <Ambeer> Which dl did you do?
[04:28] <dan2> doesn't matter if I hold shift
[04:28] <Ambeer> the current DVD ISO?
[04:28] <dan2> Amaranth, 1201.01
[04:28] <dan2> I downloaded it a couple of hours ago
[04:28] <dan2> I don't know how to fix this problem...
[04:29] <Ambeer> Maybe you should try the Maverick Meerkrat DVD instead
[04:31] <dan2> ugh
[04:31] <dan2> I don't want maverick
[04:31] <dan2> this has newer kernel
[04:31] <dan2> newer drm
[04:31] <dan2> less crap I have to compile
[04:31] <dan2> newer mesa
[04:31] <Ambeer> so which dl did you do
[04:31] <Ambeer> the DVD 4GB ISO?
[04:31] <dan2> I told you which download I did
[04:31] <dan2> daily live
[04:31] <dan2> 20101201.1
[04:32] <dan2> it was "current" then
[04:32] <Ambeer> maybe you should try the DVD ISO
[04:32] <Ambeer> and burn it to a dvd
[04:32] <rww> so install maverick, a kernel backport, and the xorg-edgers ppa...
[04:32] <Ambeer> or that
[04:32] <dan2> I just want this stupid pos to boot
[04:32] <dan2> I think it has to do with the fact that I installed from one usb drive to another
[04:33] <dan2> this grub stuff can't handle switching from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb
[04:33] <dan2> rather
[04:33] <dan2> vice versa
[04:33] <dan2> and there's no way for me to control it
[04:37] <dan2> jeez
[04:37] <dan2> I have no idea what is wrong with this pos
[04:40] <IdleOne> you shouldn't be running pre release on a point of sale
[04:42] <dan2> I didn't say point of sale
[04:42] <dan2> trying to edit grub.cfg.... no vi, no nano, no pico
[04:43] <dan2> more doesn't work
[04:43] <dan2> it just displays the whole file at one time
[04:44] <IdleOne> dan2: yeah I know what you meant, I was just trying to remind you of the language rule :)
[04:48] <dan2> man I have no idea what is going on
[04:48] <dan2> grub doesn't even start
[04:50] <dan2> man
[04:50] <dan2> the partitioner really screwed this one up
[04:50] <dan2> it left 1mb of free space in front of the primary partition
[04:50] <dan2> probably the reason this can't boot
[04:51] <dan2> ok, how do I rsync the latest image or such
[04:51] <dan2> and I'll reinstall I guess
[04:57] <dan2> are there mirrors of cdimage.ubuntu.com?
[05:42] <Amber2> welp
[05:42] <Amber2> i wonder why i cant boot into desktop session
[05:44] <Amber2> hi JontheEchidna
[05:51] <dan2> alright I give up
[05:51] <dan2> I've spent hours working on this installation
[05:51] <dan2> this thing is not booting to save it's life
[05:52] <Amber2> lol
[05:52] <Amber2> well goo dluck
[05:52] <Amber2> if you try another release
[05:52] <dan2> unetbootin boots properly on this box
[05:52] <dan2> but that grub
[05:52] <dan2> does not boot at all
[05:52] <dan2> don't even think bios detects it
[05:59] <dan2> even super grub 2 doesn't work
[06:02] <dan2> ok, grub2 blows
[06:02] <cozziemoto> :)
[06:03] <dan2> it just spits out "GRUB" with super grub 2
[06:03] <dan2> and hangs
[06:03] <dan2> more like
[06:03] <dan2> GRUB _(blinking)
[06:04] <cozziemoto> dan2,  so you redownloaded?
[06:04] <Amber2> im having a problem too :(
[06:05] <cozziemoto> are you guys clean installing from daily build or updating?
[06:05] <dan2> cozziemoto, yes
[06:05] <dan2> yes
[06:05] <Amber2> No im having a diff problem
[06:05] <cozziemoto> mm
[06:05] <Amber2> im on release 11.04
[06:05] <cozziemoto> dan2,  did you check md5sum for imoage before burning it ..yes?
[06:05] <dan2> used zsync
[06:05] <dan2> so it's good
[06:06] <dan2> it's simply this grub crap
[06:06] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  you mean way before release 11.04 ..yes?
[06:06] <dan2> it doesn't work with my bios or something
[06:06] <Amber2> in my system info
[06:06] <Amber2> it says
[06:06] <dan2> whatever it's doing is hanging
[06:06] <Amber2> Release: 11.04 (natty)
[06:06] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  11.04 isnt due to be released until april 2011
[06:07] <Amber2> Do you want a screenshot to prove it
[06:07] <Amber2> lol
[06:07] <cozziemoto> yes
[06:07] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  its in pre alpha right now i believe
[06:08] <Amber2> http://icanhasimage.com/images/ons41bxfetwmlgt6eisg.png
[06:08] <Amber2> hrm.
[06:08] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  that's incorrect
[06:08] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  it is not a release yet
[06:08] <Amber2> So then how can I find the correct version?
[06:08] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  it is in extreme eraly stage right now
[06:08] <Amber2> i downloaded it from the ubuntu daily build site
[06:08] <Amber2> lol
[06:08] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  well you may well be running 11.04
[06:09] <cozziemoto> Amber2,   but as far as finished release not until april 2011
[06:09] <Amber2> this one: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[06:09] <cozziemoto> Amber2, I am running natty 11.04 right now on this machine as well
[06:09] <Amber2> I know and the alpha comes out tday
[06:09] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  yes that is the daily build
[06:10] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  it will change sometimes hourly
[06:10] <Amber2> But my problem is that it wont load desktop session
[06:10] <cozziemoto> Amber2, ah  ok
[06:10] <Amber2> only classic desktop
[06:10] <cozziemoto> Amber2,   mmm
[06:10] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  which video card are you running?
[06:10] <Amber2> ATI Mobility HD 5470
[06:11] <cozziemoto> Amaranth,  i would have assumed the driver for that was default install
[06:11] <cozziemoto> Amaranth, sorry
[06:11] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  the driver for that was likely already installed
[06:11] <Amber2> Yes it was.
[06:11] <cozziemoto> Amber2,   do you have compizconfig-settings-manager installed
[06:11] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  so you have a gnome panel at the top?
[06:11] <Amber2> Yea I do.
[06:12] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  is there one at the bottom?
[06:12] <Amber2> yes
[06:12] <cozziemoto> mmm
[06:12] <Amber2> as you can see in the screesntho
[06:12] <Amber2> shot*
[06:12] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  sorry i didnt see the link for your screenshot
[06:13] <Amber2> so
[06:13] <Amber2> when i boot into desktop session
[06:13] <Amber2> the panel at the top doesnt load
[06:13] <Amber2> nothing loads
[06:13] <Amber2> only the icons, and i cant open them
[06:14] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  is this an install from the daily build ISO image?
[06:14] <Amber2> from the DVD Image
[06:14] <Amber2> yea the daily build
[06:14] <Amber2> i installed it like 5 days ago
[06:14] <Amber2> on sunday.
[06:14] <cozziemoto> Amber2, ok and have you been updating it everyday?
[06:15] <Amber2> i just did a dist-ipgrade
[06:15] <Amber2> like an hour ago
[06:15] <cozziemoto> mmm
[06:15] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  you did this in terminal yes?
[06:15] <Amber2> yea
[06:15] <Amber2> sudo apt-get update
[06:15] <cozziemoto> Amber2,   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:15] <Amber2> yea
[06:16] <Amber2> thats what i did
[06:16] <cozziemoto> Amaranth,  run it one more time
[06:16] <cozziemoto> damn
[06:16] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  run it one more time
[06:16] <Amber2> It has never booted successfully into desktop session
[06:16] <Amber2> well maybe once
[06:16] <cozziemoto> once?
[06:16] <Amber2> the first time
[06:16] <Amber2> after the install
[06:16] <cozziemoto> Amber2,  this once you had only the top gnome panel and the side panel yes?
[06:17] <Amber2> No
[06:17] <Amber2> i had the top and bottom gnome panel
[06:17] <Amber2> dist-upgrade didnt update anything
[06:17] <cozziemoto> Amber2, let me get screenshotof mine  and show you waht it should look like ...hold on
[06:17] <Amber2> it hsould have Unity UI
[06:18] <cozziemoto> Amber2,     http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/natty.png
[06:19] <Amber2> ugh how come mine wont boot like that
[06:19] <Amber2> im sure if i boot into desktop session
[06:19] <Amber2> it will
[06:19] <Amber2> but it wont boot into it
[06:19] <Amber2> brb im gonna try again
[06:19] <cozziemoto> ok
[06:27] <cozziemoto> Amber2  here is the release schedule ...you can see  how early the development stage is   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule  if it is not working right now.... it could be your install or the state of the project at this moment... Pre Alpha generally means  no one should be trying to use it unless they want to participate in bug reporting or fixing issues.. or are advance enough to deal with some of the issue
[06:27] <cozziemoto> s of a  "pre alpha"  distribution.. I am not trying to discourage you...but again if it is not working today ,.,,it may work tomorrow after  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:27] <cozziemoto> Amber1, that is for you ^^
[06:27] <Amber1> i took a screenshot of what happens when i boot into desktop session
[06:27] <cozziemoto> ok
[06:28] <Amber1> http://icanhasimage.com/images/ivg7530968x04w1w0z.png
[06:28] <Amber1> where are my panels
[06:28] <Amber1> :(
[06:28] <cozziemoto> Amber1,  i am moving over to my othere machine as   coz_
[06:28] <Amber1> alright
[06:28] <coz_> mm
[06:29] <Amber1> so yea http://icanhasimage.com/images/ivg7530968x04w1w0z.png
[06:29] <Amber1> my panels are nowhere in sight
[06:29] <coz_> Amber1,  on that link for the daily build ,,,which iso did you download and burn?
[06:29] <Amber1> it was a 4gb iso
[06:29] <Amber1> for my chip
[06:29] <coz_> 4 gig?
[06:29] <Amber1> yea
[06:29] <Amber1> and i loaded from DVD
[06:29] <coz_> let me look hold on
[06:29] <Amber1> and then it installed
[06:30] <coz_> Amber1,  was it a live cd
[06:30] <Amber1> yes
[06:30] <coz_> Amber1,  you are 64 bit or 32 bit?
[06:30] <Amber1> 64
[06:30] <coz_>    http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[06:31] <coz_> Amber1,   from there ^^
[06:31] <Amber1> No
[06:31] <Amber1> not from there
[06:32] <Amber1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/
[06:32] <coz_> Amber1,  are you able to download and burn another cd?
[06:32] <Amber1> there
[06:32] <Amber1> download the desktop cd/
[06:34] <coz_> Amber1,  if you can go to the first link and download the natty-desktop-amd64.iso   at the top of the list is the md5sums..click on that fine the correct one for your download  and when the iso is completely downloaded...open a terminal cd to it's location  and typ e     md5sum  natty-  and  hit the tab button to complete the iso's name
[06:34] <coz_> make sure the numbers match perfectly
[06:34] <coz_> then burn it
[06:34] <Amber1> i have it burned to a dvd
[06:34] <Amber1> using my windows i used a program
[06:34] <Amber1> and burned it
[06:34] <dan2> did maverick use grub2 as well?
[06:34] <coz_> Amber1,  which program
[06:34] <Amber1> but, it wont boot from that dvd
[06:34] <Amber1> Astroburn
[06:34] <coz_> dan2,  yes
[06:35] <coz_> Amaranth,  mm
[06:35] <coz_> Amaranth, sorry again
[06:35] <Amber1> i used it to burn like every dvd ever, it works fine
[06:35] <coz_> Amber1,   I dont know that sofrware and it could have corrupted the burn
[06:35] <coz_> Amber1,  ok
[06:35] <Amber1> alright
[06:35] <dan2> grub2 is definitely broken
[06:35] <Amber1> ill get a new dvd and burn it again
[06:35] <Amber1> using the terminal
[06:35] <Amber1> hold on
[06:35] <coz_> Amber1,  i would rather you burn the live cd  instead onto a dvd
[06:36] <Amber1> the desktop cd?
[06:36] <Amber1> the 4gb one?
[06:36] <coz_> Amber1,  less download time therefor less chance of curruption
[06:36] <Amber1> oh
[06:36] <coz_> Amber1,  no the 723 megabyte one
[06:36] <Amber1> i have the natty-desktop 723 one
[06:36] <Amber1> for my intel chip
[06:36] <coz_> Amber1,  is that also 64 bit
[06:36] <coz_> Amber1,   you can install the 32 bit onto a 64 bit system
[06:37] <Amber1> x86
[06:37] <coz_> Amber1,  remember this is all in testing stage
[06:37] <Amber1> the first one on the daily build
[06:37] <Amber1> but
[06:37] <Amber1> i already have it all installed
[06:37] <Amber1> why do i need to do this
[06:37] <coz_> Amber1,  I have no idea why you are not getting the panels there
[06:37] <Amber1> partitioned correctly, and installed
[06:37] <Amber1> Ugh
[06:37] <Amber1> alright
[06:37] <coz_> Amber1,  other than when I have tired with other iso;s  I got the same situation
[06:38] <Amber1> it's dling
[06:38] <coz_> Amber1,  i used the x86 iso onto a 64 bit system and now its' working
[06:38] <Amber1> it says 20mins
[06:38] <Amber1> nvm
[06:38] <Amber1> 10 mins
[06:38] <coz_> Amber1,  that's a good download time
[06:38] <coz_> Amber1,  but check the md5sum on that download when its finished
[06:38] <Amber1> where do i check?
[06:38] <coz_> Amber1,  are you in linux or windows?
[06:39] <Amber1> Linux
[06:39] <coz_> Amber1,   ok on that link you are downloading from
[06:39] <coz_> Amber1,  on the list  at the top it says  MD5SUMS
[06:39] <coz_> click that to get a list of the hashes
[06:39] <Amber1> ok
[06:39] <Amber1> yea
[06:39] <Amber1> i have it open now
[06:39] <coz_> Amaranth,  find the one that matches the iso you are downloading
[06:40] <coz_> then Amber1   when the iso is finished.... in the terminal cd to wherever you downloaded the iso to
[06:40] <Amber1> ok
[06:40] <coz_> for example   if it is on the desktop then   in terminal     cd Desktop
[06:40] <Amber1> yea i know how to do that
[06:40] <coz_> Amber1,  then in that same terminal  type   md5sum  natty  and hit the tab key to complete the iso's name
[06:40] <Amber1> holy crap im getting 1.2 mb/s
[06:41] <coz_> hit enter  and then compare the readout number with the one on the link
[06:41] <Amber1> brb going to get a dvd
[06:43] <Amber1> back
[06:43] <coz_> ok
[06:44] <Amber1> thanks for helping me btw
[06:44] <coz_> Amber1,  no problem...
[06:45] <Amber1> have you seen this problem before?
[06:45] <coz_> Amber1,  I have had it yes
[06:46] <coz_> Amber1,   but remember ...this is NOT a released version of ubuntu.... it is in development...that means it is not even close to ready
[06:46] <Amber1> I understand that
[06:46] <coz_> ok :)
[06:47] <Amber1> My dl speed dropped to like 400/kb
[06:47] <Amber1> which is still really good
[06:47] <Amber1> i dl'd the 4gb one at 200kb/s
[06:47] <Amber1> the whole time
[06:49] <leagris> bonjour
[06:49] <coz_> leagris,  bonjour  ,  ca va ?
[06:49] <leagris> oups hello :)
[06:49] <coz_> hello
[06:49] <dan2> finally
[06:49] <dan2> I got it
[06:50] <dan2> I think
[06:50] <coz_> dan2,  what was the issue?
[06:50] <dan2> uninstalling crappy grub2
[06:50] <Amber1> good job dan2
[06:50] <dan2> replacing with grub original
[06:50] <coz_> ah ok
[06:50] <Amber1> hopefully your panels will work
[06:50] <Amber1> lol
[06:51] <dan2> that was a nightmare
[06:52] <dan2> actually you bring up a good point now
[06:52] <dan2> I should probably go fix the other hard disk
[06:52] <dan2> and quit screwing with natty
[06:53] <leagris> dan2, wow, did you manage to install lilo or grub1 instead?
[06:53] <dan2> grub1
[06:55] <Amber1> hey coz_
[06:55] <Amber1> My md5sum numbers match
[06:55] <coz_> Amber1,  yes
[06:55] <leagris> what kind of issues did you had with grub2 dan2?
[06:55] <coz_> cool  now Amber1  if you can burn this at 1x
[06:56] <Amber1> just right click the iso, write to disc?
[06:56] <coz_> Amber1, no   which linux are you on ubuntu?
[06:56] <Amber1> yea
[06:56] <coz_> Amber1,  sudo apt-get install gnomebaker
[06:56] <coz_> i dont like braserror
[06:56] <coz_> brasero
[06:57] <coz_> Amber1,  when that instals and you have your blank dvd in the burner,,,open gnomebaker  and go to the Tools meny and choose burn dvd iso
[06:57] <coz_> Amber1,  set the seep to 1x
[06:57] <Amber1> yea ok
[06:57] <coz_> and sit back and let it burn
[06:57] <coz_> rather  Amber1  set the "speed"  to 1x
[06:58] <Amber1> ok its doing it
[06:58] <coz_> Amber1,  it is nearly 2am here and I have to get to bed..so good luck on this but dont take a short cut ,,,burn at 1x
[06:58] <coz_> Amber1,  so just reboot the system after this burns and install it after it boots into the desktop
[06:58] <coz_> Amber1,  give a minute or two to set everything on the panels
[06:59] <Amber1> Install it over my current install?
[06:59] <coz_> Amber1,  sure
[06:59] <Amber1> and also, boot from DVD?
[06:59] <coz_> Amber1,  if that's what you want
[06:59] <coz_> Amber1,  yes boot from dvd...get to the desktop ..wait a few minutes to be sure the panels are loaded and click the install to disk icon
[07:00] <coz_> Amber1,  good luck with this...let me know tomorrow how it goes :)
[07:00] <Amber1> im scared im gonna lose my current install
[07:00] <coz_> you will
[07:00] <leagris> About CD/DVD drive speed, I was wondering a way of setting speed to 1. Long time ago, an hdparm -E 1 /dev/hdc (dvd) would do it playing DVD at speed 1 getting ride of the jet engine sound from the DVD drive during a movie. Now with SATA and modern ubuntu/dvd it no longer work. Do you know of an alternative slowing down a DVD drive?
[07:00] <coz_> Amber1,  if you write ove top of it you will lose what you ha
[07:01] <coz_> Amber1,  you should back up any information you need to back up before booting into the live cd
[07:01] <Amber1> is this install the same way as the live cd?
[07:01] <coz_> Amber1,  I believe so
[07:01] <Amber1> ive always just installed from DVD
[07:01] <coz_> Amber1, ` I have not used the  live dbd
[07:01] <coz_> dvd
[07:01] <Amber1> stay online after i quit
[07:01] <Amber1> because it may not boot into the dvd
[07:01] <Amber1> like it did last time
[07:02] <coz_> ok a few more minutes
[08:07] <nit-wit> sohows the natty exsperience so far
[08:08] <karasin> Hello World ?
[08:08] <nit-wit> so hows
[08:08] <rww> It logs in properly sometimes!
[08:08] <karasin> it work me version 11
[08:09] <nit-wit> rww I switched to the classic desktop in the login then back to the unity type setup
[08:09] <karasin> I version 10.04.1  bug Good
[08:10] <karasin> I win
[08:58] <qzio> How can I enable sloppy focus in natty?
[08:59] <qzio> I upgraded from mavrick, and all of a sudden, i need to click windows to focus them. (both classic gnome and unity)
[09:16] <qzio> and is there a way to add a icon to the unity launcher doc thingy to the left?
[09:16] <qzio> or is there some other channel I should go ask these questions?
[10:35] <coz_> good day all
[11:18] <nperry> morning coz_
[11:18] <coz_> nperry,  hey guy :)
[11:20] <sagaci> hi
[11:24] <coz_> sagaci,  hey guy
[11:25] <sagaci> hi
[13:02] <twager> installing compiz-fusion-plugins-extra tell me it needs to remove all the installed compiz files.Anyone else experienced this ?
[13:15] <twager> installing compiz-fusion-plugins-extra tell me it needs to remove all the installed compiz files.Anyone else experienced this ?
[13:37] <zniavre> does unity can handle gtk+rgba ?
[14:39] <vish> does testdrive use rsync or zsync?
[15:00] <hallyn_> doh!  i enabled the Put compiz plugin, and i guess compiz segfaulted.
[15:01] <hallyn_> i also was dismayed to see the grid plugin unavailable
[15:01] <hallyn_> it ake it i'm supposed to not customize the desktop right now?  :)
[15:03] <nperry> vish: depends on rsync but the package recommends zsync
[15:03] <vish> nperry: right, but what does it use to sync/update the iso by default?
[15:04] <nperry> rsync
[15:04] <nperry> but can use zsync if you tell it to
[15:05] <vish> hmm.. now how do i tell it to do that?  i cant find anyway to do that on the web..
[15:06] <vish> wait... /me askubuntus
[15:08] <nperry> testdrive -u http://website.com/iso.zync
[15:08] <vish> oh.. so there is no config that can be modified?
[16:04] <nperry> vish: sorry for late reply, don't think there is
[16:05] <nperry> vish: Is kirkland still maintaining, he is normally in #byobu - unless hes pass it over to ubuntu devel
[16:05] <vish> nperry: no worries.. :)
[16:06] <vish> nperry: yea, was considering poking himm
[16:55] <Ambeer> hi coz_
[16:56] <coz_> Ambeer,  hey
[16:56] <Ambeer> You were helping me last night
[16:56] <coz_> I have to leave right now...be back in about 30 minutes
[16:56] <Ambeer> oh alright
[17:00] <sebsebseb> Hi
[17:00] <ikonia> hello sebsebseb
[17:01] <sebsebseb> ikonia: hello
[17:05] <Ambeer> hi ikonia
[17:06] <ikonia> hi
[17:06] <Ambeer> When i boot into desktop session
[17:06] <Ambeer> none of the panels show up
[17:07] <Ambeer> do you know to fix that?
[17:07] <ikonia> !fixpanels
[17:07] <ikonia> ahhh there is a factoid to reset them, have you tried that ?
[17:08] <sebsebseb> !panels | Ambeer ikonia
[17:08] <Ambeer> no
[17:08] <Ambeer> it's unity panels
[17:08] <Ambeer> that wont work
[17:08] <Ambeer> I can go into classic desktop fine
[17:08] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: ah right
[17:08] <ikonia> rats, yes, I forgot about unity
[17:08] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: well I read that the pre alpha Unity is quite buggy
[17:09] <Ambeer> i think it's a driver problem
[17:09] <Ambeer> when i first booted
[17:09] <Ambeer> it said something about 3d
[17:09] <Ambeer> So I installed the "additional drivers'
[17:09] <Ambeer> and that didnt fix it
[17:09]  * sebsebseb didn't really want to to be doing Unity support, jus wanted to see when alpha  was coming out and that, but well I am here now so uhmm right
[17:10] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: ok yeah you need
[17:10] <Ambeer> Alpha is coming out today
[17:10] <Ambeer> something before midnight
[17:10] <sebsebseb> the correct driver for your card
[17:10] <sebsebseb> Nivida  or ATI what is it?
[17:10] <Ambeer> ATI Mobility 5470
[17:10] <Ambeer> it's a new-ish card so im disappointed it didnt work
[17:11] <sebsebseb> !at might be helpful | Ambeer
[17:11] <sebsebseb> !ati
[17:11] <sebsebseb> oh at the second part of that factoid?
[17:12] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: maybe Unity doesn't work so well with later ATI cards I don't know,  but what about Gnome Shell did you try that, and that works ok?
[17:12] <Ambeer> yea im gnome shell right now
[17:12] <sebsebseb> ok nice :)
[17:13] <Ambeer> Im confused at this driver page
[17:14] <Ambeer> I have the "ATI Catalyst Control Centre" installed
[17:14] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: well at least the proper/upstream interface works,  yep I mean Shell :)
[17:16] <Ambeer> but i wanted unity to work :(
[17:16] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: well uhmm
[17:16] <sebsebseb> I don't expect it  to work that well
[17:17] <sebsebseb> at the moment even when alpha 1 comes out
[17:18] <Ambeer> hrm.
[17:18] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: in fact I have a link I can give you
[17:19] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: that you will probably find interesting
[17:19] <Ambeer> alright
[17:21] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: ok i'll say one thing about this link though
[17:21] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: most of the coments are rather ignorant, people who don't really know what they are on about, but the blog entry itself, rather good indeed
[17:22] <Ambeer> Alright.
[17:22] <sebsebseb> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/screenshot-desktop-unity-in-natty/
[17:22] <sebsebseb> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/screenshot-desktop-unity-in-natty/
[17:22] <nperry> sebsebseb: your right people commenting on omgubuntu are annoying..
[17:23] <sebsebseb> nperry: well its the Ubuntu fan boys (and girls) site, so yeah
[17:23] <nperry> Thats why I tend to stick to plant ubuntu.
[17:23] <sebsebseb> however sometimes get people who know what they are on about commenting as well, which happended a bit with a recent blog entry about Gnome Shell :)
[17:24] <Ambeer> Again, I dont think it's a problem of unity not being stable
[17:28] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: ok, well it may be
[17:28] <sebsebseb> or simpally your card is a bit to new for Unity or something
[17:29] <Ambeer> I don't think I have the right 3D drivers
[17:29] <Ambeer> and my card isnt that new tbh
[17:33] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: uhmm you got them from system > administration > hardware drivers or?
[17:33] <Ambeer> yes
[17:34] <sebsebseb> then you probably do have the correct drivers installed really
[17:34] <sebsebseb> and probably also so since yep Gnome Shell's working :)
[17:35] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: which is the interface you should start using really instead of Unity,  but going into details about  why that is, would be going off topic, altough put simpalley  Gnome Shell is upstream,  the interface many distros will be using,  and Unity is downstreame and a distro that Ubuntu will probably only be using for a rather long time
[17:36] <sebsebseb> distro?  I meant to put interface, above
[17:36] <Ambeer> Hrm. I only dl'd 11.04 because i wanted to try Unity
[17:36] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: right yeah I understand
[17:36] <sebsebseb> however
[17:37] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: I was trying out 10.10 a bit before earlier this year, because of Unity
[17:37] <sebsebseb> on here
[17:37] <Ambeer> hii coz_
[17:37] <coz_> Ambeer,   ok I am back
[17:37] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: by the looks of it the current 11.04  Compiz Unity is similar to the Mutter  Unity in 10.10
[17:37] <Ambeer> So sebsebseb says it won't work because of my card
[17:38] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: if you want to try a more stable Unity, I would suggest the 10.10 version, which you can also run on a desktop :)
[17:38] <coz_> Ambeer, oh?  which card is it?
[17:38] <alex88> no alpha yet? xD
[17:38] <Ambeer> ATI HD 5470
[17:38] <coz_> alex88,  not until february 2nd I believe
[17:38] <alex88> Oo why february?
[17:39] <nperry> alpha 2
[17:39] <sebsebseb> coz_: uh what?
[17:39] <sebsebseb> coz_: oh alpha 2
[17:39] <coz_> let me check the schedule
[17:39] <nperry> alpha 1 is today
[17:39] <nperry> (or yesterday, can't remember)
[17:39] <alex88> oh... :) i was talking alpha 1.. but i haven't received mail from devel-announce
[17:39] <alex88> today
[17:39] <Ambeer> probably later today then
[17:39] <coz_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule
[17:40] <coz_> alpha 1 today
[17:40] <coz_> Ambeer,   mm  I am not up on ati cards at all  however i have a real low end ati card on the other machine and it runs natty/compiz/unity just fine
[17:41] <Ambeer> sebsebseb says my card is too new
[17:41] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: uhmm it might be
[17:41] <alex88> np..it was just a random question :)
[17:41] <sebsebseb> ,but I don't know
[17:42] <cozziemoto>  RS480 [Radeon Xpress 200G Series]
[17:42] <Ambeer> maybe when i upgrade to alpha 1 it will work
[17:42] <coz_> thats my ati card
[17:42] <Ambeer> but still same problem as last night coz
[17:42] <Ambeer> no panels :(
[17:42] <coz_> Ambeer, mmm
[17:43] <coz_> Ambeer,  sounds odd ,,but again I am not up with all of the ati crazy numbering system for their cards
[17:43] <Ambeer> yea they even renaming all the new ones to AMD
[17:43] <Ambeer> lol
[17:45] <coz_> Ambeer,  I know that my card is fairly low end
[17:45] <bjsnider> with ati cards, generally the third number in the string is what counts, so eg. a 4590 would be superior to a 5540
[17:45] <coz_> Ambeer,  but I have no idea where your's falls
[17:46] <Ambeer> Mainstream card, mid range
[17:46] <coz_> Ambeer,  then I am confused why that wouldnt work
[17:46] <coz_> Ambeer,  does it work with compiz  ?
[17:46] <bjsnider> although the 5k cards have opengl 4 and the 4k cards do not
[17:46] <Ambeer> how can i test if it works with compiz
[17:46] <Ambeer> sorry if thats a dumb questions
[17:47] <coz_> Ambeer,  i was wondering if you had already had linux installed before with compiz running
[17:47] <Ambeer> i have had 10.10 since it's final release date
[17:48] <coz_> Ambeer,  ah ok and did you have fancy effects going on that?
[17:48] <Ambeer> yes
[17:48] <Ambeer> the extra effects wont work in 11.04
[17:48] <Ambeer> :\
[17:48] <coz_> Ambeer,  then I am not sure why it wont work with natty...from what I understand most ati cards work well but then  I am not sure
[17:48] <coz_> Ambeer,  mm that's  odd
[17:49] <bjsnider> i don't see why it would be odd. the fglrx driver hardly ever works until just before an ubuntu release
[17:52] <Ambeer> bjsnider: so i won't be able ot use unity until april?
[17:52] <Ambeer> :(
[17:53] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: uhmm
[17:53] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: Did you ever try the 10.10 Unity?
[17:53] <Ambeer> Nope.
[17:53] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: ok well
[17:54] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: if you want Unity badly enough, then try that one I guess
[17:54] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: really the 11.04 Unity is a re write of the old Unity found in 10.10
[17:54] <Ambeer> Im not gonna re-install my OS again :\
[17:54] <sebsebseb> well you may of had to anyway
[17:54] <sebsebseb> now that your on pre alpha
[17:55] <sebsebseb> when Ubuntu is in development,  things tend to mess up for quite a few people, enough before the final
[17:55] <sebsebseb> for them to have a good proper reason to clean install
[17:55] <Ambeer> But the gnome shell works fine
[17:55] <sebsebseb> Ambeer: plus in my expereince, getting the development version updates,  don't always get the  new latest features that are meant to be there.  Or I mean they get installed, but not properly.
[18:02] <hifi> umm, is the nouveau gallium driver available?
[18:02] <hifi> or do I need to build it from git
[18:15] <Andre_Gondim> the iso isn't released today?
[18:16] <sebsebseb> Andre_Gondim: uhmm probably later
[18:16] <sebsebseb> unless its being delayed of course
[18:33] <Andre_Gondim> released
[19:19] <syk> i downloaded a daily build of 11.04, if i just install updates it will be up to alpha 1 correct?
[19:20] <yofel> yes
[19:20] <syk> i thought so, thanks
[19:36] <phoenix_firebrd> anyone using kubuntu 11.04?
[19:36] <phoenix_firebrd> or kde 4.6 beta1?
[19:38] <jfi> phoenix_firebrd, you should ask directly your question instead of asking if you can ask :)
[19:39] <phoenix_firebrd> jfi: i have to ask the person to check something for me
[19:39] <phoenix_firebrd> jfi: kde 4.6beta1 or 11.04?
[19:40] <jfi> phoenix_firebrd, no sorry, I have only installed the "normal" ubuntu
[19:40] <phoenix_firebrd> jfi: ok
[19:41] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: to check what? please ask you question whether there is someone that can help or not
[19:41] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: kde 4.6 beta 1?
[19:41] <yofel> yes, but I still don't know your question
[19:42] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: have you index you music files using strigi?
[19:42] <yofel> no
[19:42] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: or is strigi enabled?
[19:42] <yofel> neither, uses too much I/O on my notebook here
[19:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: can you check the properties of a mp3 file in dolphin properties and check if the tags are displayed correctlt
[19:43] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: correctly
[19:43] <yofel> that sure
[19:44] <yofel> properties->information does list the tag information fine
[19:45] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: please can you paste the snap of the properties dialog. wondering if this bug is fixed .http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3087633&group_id=171000&atid=856302
[19:48] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: you there?
[19:48] <yofel> wait... now something went foobar
[19:49] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[19:49] <yofel> dolphin displays the ID tags fine initially, but stops doing so as soon as I add a nepoumuk tag...
[19:51] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: did you disable strigi after it indexed your files ?
[19:51] <yofel> I don't think it ever had time to do so before I disabled it
[19:52] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: did you check with 2 or 3 files
[19:53] <yofel> several, it could be that some of them were indexed maybe, not sure where the database it kept
[19:57] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: looking at some recently created files I would say the bug isn't fixed, since they don't have ID tags listed
[19:58] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya, i too think same. so your kde version is 4.6 beta1 right?
[19:58] <yofel> yes
[19:58] <yofel> strigi isn't really part of kde though
[20:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya i know, i spoke to some developers 30 min back about the bug, they said they will raise this to the strigi developers when i meet them
[20:00] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ya i know, i spoke to some developers 30 min back about the bug, they said they will raise this to the strigi developers when they meet them
[20:00] <yofel> right, current strigi version in ubuntu is 0.7.2
[20:01] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: how to find the version
[20:01] <yofel> look at one of the strigi packages, like strigi-client or libsearchclient0
[20:03] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: same version for me too. seems that strigi is not updated
[20:16] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: thanks your time buddy
[20:16] <yofel> np
[20:17] <josaa> hello, after installing ubuntu 11.04 installing updates and the video drivers after reboot the desktop doesnt load just sits at a wallpaper. ive tried logging out and logging in safe mode and other options but all the same
[20:18] <nperry> Logging into unity or classic?
[20:18] <josaa> unity, but i tried classic also
[20:19] <nperry> Try mv ~/.config/compiz-1 ~/.config/compiz-back
[20:19] <josaa> im sure it was the video driver
[20:19] <josaa> how to bring up a terminal?
[20:19] <nperry> ctrl alt f1
[20:19] <josaa> ok
[20:21] <nperry> Then also sudo nano ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/session/required_components/%gconf.xml
[20:21] <nperry> change compiz to metacity
[20:21] <josaa> ok be right back
[20:22] <nperry> btw, evening all :)
[20:43] <sebsebseb> So alpha 1 is delayed untill tommorow or out already, but topic here not updated?
[20:43] <newbie|3> hey
[20:43] <newbie|3> whayt is the problem with ubuntu 11.04
[20:44] <newbie|3> i downloaded ubuntu 11.04 desktop cd image
[20:44] <sebsebseb> newbie|3: is the alpha 1 out now?
[20:44] <newbie|3> and i throw it to my usb with universal usb installer
[20:45] <newbie|3> but when i try to boot usb i took that error "cant find live filesystem"
[20:45] <newbie|3> what is the issue
[20:46] <newbie|3> sebsebseb: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ look here
[20:47] <newbie|3> i download 64 bit image
[20:48] <newbie|3> any comment
[20:48] <sebsebseb> newbie|3: thats not Alpha 1 by the way
[20:49] <newbie|3> i dont know alpha 1 gama 15
[20:49] <newbie|3> or zeta 145
[20:49] <zerwas> I'm searching for a mirror for a natty daily cdimage. is there one?
[20:49] <newbie|3> i just download 11.04 from there
[20:50] <newbie|3> and i couldnt boot ubuntu natty
[20:50] <nperry> newbie|3: bad downloaD?
[20:50] <newbie|3> what do youy mean
[20:50] <nperry> Maybe the iso was corrupt somehow
[20:51] <nperry> Or the transfer onto the usb ke
[20:51] <nperry> y
[20:51] <newbie|3> this is official site of ubuntu right ?
[20:51] <IdleOne> newbie|3: yes but sometimes during download files get corrupted
[20:51] <newbie|3> size of the image 757 mb
[20:52] <newbie|3> you suggest re try to install ubuntu image
[20:53] <newbie|3> or how can i check file was corrupted or not
[20:54] <IdleOne> !md5
[20:55] <IdleOne> on the page where you got the iso from there is a md5 file with which you will match the md5 result you get. if they are not the same then there is something wrong with the iso and you download a new one
[20:56] <hellyeah> this md5sum tool works in windows
[20:56] <hellyeah> ?
[20:56] <IdleOne> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/LQ_ISO/Checking_the_md5sum_in_Windows
[20:56] <IdleOne> also is important to read all the instructions given :)
[20:57] <hellyeah> sorry
[20:57] <hellyeah> md5sum file you mean .manifest file
[20:58] <IdleOne> no
[20:59] <hellyeah> there
[20:59] <IdleOne> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/MD5SUMS
[21:02] <hellyeah> okey
[21:02] <hellyeah> asl
[21:02] <hellyeah> sorry
[21:02] <hellyeah> i ask
[21:03] <hellyeah> it wants .md5 file
[21:03] <hellyeah> where is md5 file of natty
[21:05] <nperry> hellyeah: `Not being funny, but natty is a devlopment release, which means breakage.
[21:05] <nperry> So you do need to know a bit about ubuntu.
[21:05] <hellyeah> i want 11.04 because ubuntu 10.10 has a problem with my graphic card i thought may be  ubuntu 11.04 soilves the poroblemm
[21:06] <guntbert> hellyeah: unlikely - you will get other problems in any case :-)
[21:07] <hellyeah> i  try to solve other problem but graphic card problem is a biGgG problem for me
[21:07] <hellyeah> my screen 1600 900 in ubuntu 10 10 i can only take the view in 800 600
[21:07] <nperry> Have you asked in #ubuntu about the problem in 10.10
[21:07] <hellyeah> when i install nvidia driver system crashed x doesnt open
[21:08] <hellyeah> x opens but stucks
[21:08] <nperry> They don't bite and *should* be able to help fix
[21:10] <hellyeah> yes
[21:10] <hellyeah> no one answer
[21:10] <IdleOne> hellyeah: at this point 11.04 is probably going to cause more problems then it will fix
[21:10] <hellyeah> i try my luck :D
[22:44] <alex88> what's the dvd for? just more programs?
[22:46] <yofel> more apps and the full language packs I think
[23:22] <BUGa_sad> my pet will have to be put to sleep, liver cancer :'(
[23:42] <F3RR1S> have there been a lot of issues with 11.04?
[23:43] <BUGa_sad> F3RR1S: define issues
[23:43] <BUGa_sad> does it work: yes
[23:43] <BUGa_sad> does it eat kittens : heck yes
[23:43] <F3RR1S> is there an hcl for it?
[23:44] <BUGa_sad> hcl?
[23:44] <F3RR1S> hardware compatibility list
[23:44] <F3RR1S> i have an older compaq presario (c500) that I am thinking about upgrading from 10.10 to 11.04
[23:45] <F3RR1S> the only issues I have had with various distros are video (refresh) and wifi (bcm43xx)
[23:49] <F3RR1S> If I change my repositories and update && upgrade will I then be running natty? I am currently running 10.10... I just want to make sure that I can get natty via dist-upgrade...
[23:56] <Volkodav> are they uploading an image or what ?
[23:58] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, I was able to load natty from a daily iso, hard to say now though this was like a couple of days ago
[23:58] <F3RR1S> nit-wit, thanks
[23:58] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, are you palnning to di this upgarde without a back up of your stuff
[23:59] <F3RR1S> I was hoping I could do dist-upgrade
[23:59] <bjsnider> F3RR1S, regarding hcl -- in theory newer kernels should have more supported hardware than any previous kernels
[23:59] <F3RR1S> I have an iso of my system... but I have nothing other than working wifi and printers are the only thing that matters
[23:59] <bjsnider> but there's many the slip twixt the cup and the lip