[01:08] <bodhizazen> quiet today /
[01:09] <hajour> yes i know
[01:10] <hajour> i have no smart question.i go to a other chat bye
[01:18] <Shaded> hi
[01:18] <Shaded> mah ubuntu broke
[01:19] <Shaded> I turned it on, it gave me a list of booting options, windows, ubuntu something 22 and ubuntu something 23
[01:19] <Shaded> I tried both
[01:19] <Shaded> 23 is a loading screen that never stops
[01:19] <Shaded> and 22 ends up dying and going to shell
[01:19] <Shaded> What do I do? O.o
[01:23] <Shaded> I think it has something to do with wdm?
[01:37] <Shaded> I typed up all relevant information I could find... When I boot it, I have a choice of ubuntu 2.6.35-23 or 2.6.35-22. 23 has a loading screen that cycles; if I press escape it shows a shell with a last message of "Starting WINGs display manager: wdm" then nothing happens. I tried it in recovery mode, nothing works. Ubuntu 10.10. What do I do? I remember that I changed a preference of which windows manager to use... that might be the problem?
[02:59] <bodhizazen> paultag, poke
[03:01] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: hello
[03:01] <bodhizazen> lo stlsaint
[03:02] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: paultag is too busy for us lowly folks, (hes been talking with THE GOOGLE!)
[03:02] <bodhizazen> LOL
[03:02] <bodhizazen> I put the finishing touches on my zen-koans
[03:02] <bodhizazen> want to take it for a spin ?
[03:04] <stlsaint> sure
[03:04] <stlsaint> crap, i removed the original ones i had on there per your instructions lol
[03:04] <bodhizazen> http://bodhizazen.net/adblock/zen-koans-1.0.tar.gz
[03:04] <stlsaint> on new package
[03:04] <bodhizazen> try zen -abc
[03:05] <stlsaint> kk
[03:05] <bodhizazen> it is in the README
[03:05] <bodhizazen> zen -r
[03:05] <bodhizazen> will give you a random theme and koan
[03:06] <bodhizazen> I think I included 7 themes or so
[03:10] <paultag> heyya bodhizazen
[03:11] <stlsaint> brb as i set all up
[03:22] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: what is the big statue face?
[03:24] <bodhizazen> buddha =)
[03:25] <stlsaint> oooohh right lol
[03:26] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: hey i tried three times and each time was the same koan
[03:41] <bodhizazen> w/ -r ?
[03:42] <bodhizazen> -a is "about" , first koan
[03:55] <stlsaint> oh yea i figured it out from the readme,
[03:56] <bodhizazen> =)
[03:56] <bodhizazen> is the readme sufficient ?
[03:57] <stlsaint> oh yea
[03:59] <stlsaint> bodhizazen: work great man, im heading to bed ;)
[04:40] <Nisorin> Hello, I'm looking to get some help getting a Dell Inspiron 1440 laptop's wireless adapter working in Maverick Meerkat. I've tried using the Additional Drivers wizard, but it gives me an error saying "SystemError: installArchives() failed"
[04:50] <Nisorin> Is anyone here to help?
[04:53] <tenach> Hello Nisorin, sometimes it takes a little while for people to respond.
[04:53] <Nisorin> Ah, apologies.
[04:53] <tenach> No worries! :D
[04:53] <tenach> If you give me a second, I'll be able to help
[04:53] <Nisorin> Thanks.
[05:04] <tenach> Nisorin: http://goo.gl/Gd2dZ - This is from 9.10, but it should still work for you.
[05:04] <zkriesse> !wireless
[05:04] <ubot2> Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:04] <zkriesse> HAHA!
[05:04] <zkriesse> It's alive!!!!
[05:04] <tenach> I don't think you need to do the Livecd part though, you just need to run the update and install
[05:04] <tenach> zkriesse: hello.
[05:04] <tenach> I always forget about ubot2
[05:04] <zkriesse> tenach: wazzup dude
[05:05] <zkriesse> hehehe
[05:05]  * zkriesse is feeling better finally
[05:05] <tenach> Awesome to read, zkriesse (let's move to the offtopic channel)
[05:05] <Nisorin> +zkriesse +tenach lol, I'll give it a try. I'll let you guys know how it goes.
[05:05] <tenach> Nisorin: alrighty.
[05:06] <zkriesse> Nisorin: roger that
[05:09] <Nisorin> +tenach +zkriesse When I did the first line of terminal code in the first link, it gave me a huge list of errors.
[05:11] <Nisorin> Looks like it can't resolve the 'linux.dropbox.com', 'extras.ubuntu.com', security.ubuntu.com', or 'us.archive.ubuntu.com.' I'm getting the impression that thread's post requires an internet connection on the laptop, which is not available right now.
[05:12] <MrAnthrope> lol that's a big assumption.
[05:12] <MrAnthrope> Any way you can find a hard port for a tick?
[05:12] <Nisorin> Hard port for a tick?
[05:13] <MrAnthrope> lol. Can you find a cable to plug in for a moment?
[05:14] <MrAnthrope> For "teh internets"
[05:14] <MrAnthrope> It's just wireless not working, right? If you plug it in your internet works?
[05:15] <Nisorin> We don't have any ethernet cables, so I have not been able to try.
[05:15] <Nisorin> We're running entirely wirelessly.
[05:15] <MrAnthrope> Gah.
[05:15]  * Nisorin didn't have this problem in Mint.
[05:16] <Cheri703> Nisorin: the wireless router has to connect to something, no?
[05:16] <Nisorin> Modem's built into the router.
[05:17] <Cheri703> so no cables ANYWHERE?
[05:17] <Cheri703> that's...fun
[05:18] <Nisorin> Just the power plug, and the coaxial cable coming in from the wall.
[05:18] <Cheri703> you could download the files on another computer and transfer them over?
[05:18] <Nisorin> Any idea where to get the files? I've got a flash drive.
[05:19] <Cheri703> that might be more in a tenach or zkriesse field, but you should be able to get them somewhere
[05:20] <Nisorin> Alright. The only other thing I'm worried about, and stated above, was that when I go to use the Additional Drivers wizard, it gets to nearly complete before a message box pops up saying: "SystemError: installArchives() failed."
[05:20] <MrAnthrope> Synaptic?
[05:21] <bioterror> coaxial
[05:21] <bioterror> huh, im getting weird feelings
[05:22] <Nisorin> ?
[05:22] <MrAnthrope> de ja vu weird feelings/
[05:22] <MrAnthrope> ?
[05:22] <bioterror> these makes me feel akward, i know now, this is me remembering the 90s and lan at my friends home when we played games
[05:22] <bioterror> :)
[05:22] <bioterror> ive seen tokenrings mainly nowdays, but no coaxial
[05:24] <Cheri703> bioterror: I think Nisorin is referring to cable internet coming in
[05:24] <Cheri703> vs coaxial networking per se
[05:24] <tenach> Nisorin: Look on this site: http://packages.ubuntu.com/maverick/net/ for the package
[05:26] <Nisorin> Thanks Tenach.
[05:26] <tenach> No problem.
[05:27] <Cheri703> thanks tenach, I wasn't sure where
[05:27] <tenach> Cheri703: Any time :D
[05:28]  * MrAnthrope is downloading gnome-do :D
[05:28] <tenach> :D
[05:29] <MrAnthrope> I'm having an... aesthetic problem with an icon theme I installed. It replaced the Ubuntu icon in the upper left hand corner on the panel by Applications with a dumb 'e'.
[05:29] <Nisorin> Can't find it on the list. Only thing mentioning Broadcom is for an ethernet adapter.
[05:29] <MrAnthrope> I've tried to change it but it doesn't change.
[05:30] <tenach> Nisorin: okay
[05:30] <Nisorin> The Additional Drivers wizard says it's the Broadcom STA Wireless Driver.
[05:31] <tenach> ok.
[05:35] <tenach> Nisorin: I'm having trouble finding a way to fix this without an internet connection. Everywhere assumes that you can just plug into the internet via an ethernet cable. :/
[05:36] <Nisorin> Ouch. Sounds like I'll have to go out and buy one.
[05:40] <tenach> Nisorin: Unless you want to figure out every package and dependency, that might be the quicker of ways.  The average price (around my area at least) is ~$5-15 USD depending on the length needed.
[05:42] <Cheri703> or just borrow one from someone
[05:43] <Cheri703> many people have some laying around, or go to a friend's house and connect
[05:43] <Nisorin> It's nearly one in the morning, everyone I'd know that would have one is asleep.
[05:44] <tenach> Ahh, haha.
[05:44] <tenach> Yeah, Cheri703 is right.
[05:44]  * tenach is one of those people that always has 10+ of varying sizes, both crossover and pass-through
[05:44] <Cheri703> same here
[05:45] <Nisorin> Actually, old roommate left his old xbox stuff here, wonder if his old cable's with it.
[05:45] <Cheri703> possible
[05:46] <Nisorin> Yay! It's a good 15 footer.
[05:46] <Nisorin> Hooking the laptop up now.
[05:48] <Cheri703> sweet!
[05:48] <Cheri703> that will make life easier
[05:49] <tenach> Sweet.
[05:49] <Nisorin> -.- Doesn't want to take an IP address.
[05:50] <Cheri703> do you know what ip range your household has? 192.168.1.? or 192.168.10.? or?
[05:50] <Cheri703> you can probably just toss a number on there. how many other computers are there currently on the network?
[05:51] <Nisorin> Right now, 5. One computer, two smartphones, a PSP and a Wii.
[05:52] <Cheri703> hmm...ok
[05:52] <Cheri703> can you check the ip on one of the other computers? just to check the config info?
[05:52] <Cheri703> i.e. ip, subnet mask, gateway
[05:52] <Nisorin> Sure. Post 'em?
[05:54] <MrAnthrope> How do I check my own mac address?
[05:54] <Nisorin> IP: 192.168.1.5
[05:54] <MrAnthrope> I need to mac filter my router. The neighbors are leeching.
[05:54] <Nisorin> Subnet: 255.255.255.0
[05:54] <Nisorin> Gateway would be the Default Router?
[05:55] <Nisorin> Anthrope, most routers have Attached Devices lists, it'll have the address there.
[05:55] <Cheri703> yeah Nisorin
[05:55] <MrAnthrope> Oh I'm retarded my hostname is my name lol xD
[05:55] <Nisorin> Gateway is 192.168.1.1
[05:55] <Cheri703> ok, so Nisorin give the laptop an ip of 192.168.1.150 or something, should be fine without conflict
[05:56] <Cheri703> and put in the other info
[05:56] <Nisorin> Under IPv4 or IPv6?
[05:56] <tenach> IPv4
[05:59] <Cheri703> ipv6 has way different format, just saying
[06:02] <tenach> :/ I miss using Linux. Every time I right click or press the 'del' key, explorer.exe crashes (win2000).  It's making it hard to build a liveusb so I can install linux on this old hunk of hardware.
[06:03] <Cheri703> ha
[06:03] <Cheri703> that sucks
[06:03] <MrAnthrope> I think I might like Ubuntu 10.04.1.
[06:03] <Cheri703> that's what I'm using
[06:04] <MrAnthrope> I've been trying to use ubuntu on and off for about 5 years.
[06:04] <MrAnthrope> This is most def. the best version yet.
[06:05] <tenach> I've been using Ubuntu 100% since 7.04 and I must agree with you there.
[06:06] <MrAnthrope> This version is very newbie friendly. I didn't have to open the terminal until I wanted to get rid of the splash screen. And only then because I didn't like any of the replacement screens and just wanted black.
[06:06] <MrAnthrope> I just made the resolution out of range for my monitor lol.
[06:06] <tenach> Hahahaha
[06:07] <MrAnthrope> I have an NVidia graphics card and for some reason it really messed up the splash screen.
[06:07] <tenach> I skipped 10.04 due to NVidia and amd/ati issues I was having.
[06:07] <tenach> stayed at 9.10 then went to 10.10
[06:08] <MrAnthrope> Everyone is upset that I went with 10.04 and not 10.10 but didn't 10.10 JUST get released? Is that smart for an ubuntu newb to go with the most unstable version? lol
[06:09] <tenach> It's most definitely good to stay with an LTS (a xx.04 build) for a newb, since it doesn't radically change. Found that out the hard way with 8.10
[06:09] <Cheri703> 10.04 made my ati card work perfectly, 10.10 broke it completely
[06:09] <MrAnthrope> ha
[06:10] <MrAnthrope> Not that it would kill me to completely re-install. I have ubuntu on its own 20gb partition.
[06:10] <MrAnthrope> How hard is it to upgrade 10.04.1 to 10.10?
[06:11] <gnumerous> 1 command does a distribution upgrade from 10.4 to 10.10
[06:11] <MrAnthrope> Oh nice. Not counting the aftermath? lol
[06:11] <MrAnthrope> That was my argument. LTS FTW.
[06:13] <Cheri703> 10.10 broke things, so I went back
[06:13] <Cheri703> both of my computers are on 10.04.1
[06:14] <MrAnthrope> When you say 'went back', what kind of process is that? Complete format and re-install of 10.04.1?
[06:14] <Cheri703> for me it was
[06:14] <Cheri703> not too bad though, backed up a lot of stuff
[06:14] <Cheri703> just moved it over after reinstall
[06:16] <MrAnthrope> Does Ubuntu have virtual disc drive programs?
[06:17] <MrAnthrope> dvd emulators.
[06:17] <gnumerous> linux has a "mounting" feature, so i know it can "mount" iso files and think of them as dvd's but i can't go beyond that with it
[06:17] <MrAnthrope> Sweet.
[06:23] <tenach> MrAnthrope: it's something like (in a terminal) mount nameofiso.iso /path/to/mount/to -t iso9600 -o loop
[06:24] <tenach> then you can access everything as if you'd put a disc in
[06:24] <MrAnthrope> path would be like... D:/ ?
[06:24] <Cheri703> or right click and choose "mount"
[06:24] <Cheri703> :)
[06:24] <MrAnthrope> what's all the -t iso9600 -o loop about?
[06:25] <gnumerous> the windows drive letters dont exist in linux file systems
[06:26] <MrAnthrope> I need a good .pdf manual for how to use the terminal heh.
[06:26] <tenach> That is telling it that you are mounting an iso (iso9600) and to keep it mounted (loop)
[06:26] <MrAnthrope> My use of the terminal consists of typing what people tell me to and pasting the results.
[06:27] <gnumerous> you can learn some of the command line with the command "man ls" which shows the manual for the command ls
[06:27] <gnumerous> some commands are strait forward, some require careful thought and switches...for example "ls" is different than "ls -al" but both are the same command
[06:28] <Cheri703> MrAnthrope: you might try clicompanion
[06:28] <Cheri703> it gives explanations of some of the common commands
[06:28] <tenach> clicompanion is a pretty nifty way to learn your way around the terminal
[06:29] <Cheri703> I'm gradually getting more comfortable with terminal, but I rely heavily on the gui things
[06:29] <MrAnthrope> Which is why 10.04 is so great.
[06:29] <tenach> I'm so glad that I learned as much as I did about the terminal when I did, 'cause now I'm adminsitrating an ubuntu server, cli only.
[06:30] <tenach> And it's still a crash course in learning commands.
[06:30] <MrAnthrope> I completely understand how the terminal is so much better than a GUI but you don't have to 'learn a gui'. It takes time to learn a CLI lol.
[06:30] <MrAnthrope> I would really like to set up an ubuntu server for my brother's concrete business. They pay a guy 200 bucks a month and he does jack for them.
[06:30] <gnumerous> the command line is your direct line to telling your OS or a program exactly what you want it to do, thats part of why i really love linux.
[06:31] <MrAnthrope> And it's windows server 2000 so I can't help either.
[06:32] <tenach> MrAnthrope: I don't even charge that much and I provide services along with my hosting...
[06:32] <tenach> But, that's off topic. :)
[06:32] <MrAnthrope> Heh sorry I'm kinda leading the room astray.
[06:33] <tenach> MrAnthrope: no problem. :)
[06:33] <tenach> If you wanna talk with us offtopic, you're welcome to join #ubuntu-beginners-team
[06:34] <tenach> That's our off topic channel
[06:36] <MrAnthrope> What is a symbolic link? A shortcut?
[06:39] <gnumerous> i refuse to use symbolic links because they would only exsist on the 1 drive that it was created..and it is kinda like a shortcut
[06:42] <Cheri703> why don't you like symlinks gnumerous ?
[06:42] <Cheri703> I use them to keep my data stored on one hard drive, but linked to the Documents/downloads/pictures/etc files in the home folder
[06:44] <gnumerous> i wouldn't wanna develop a dependance on a custom thing...i prefer to not confuse myself should i use other computers (i have 2 boxes and wouldnt want to remember custom folder links)
[06:46] <Cheri703> I only use them for the home folders, and I have both of mine set up the same way :) I try to keep a consistent naming scheme as well, for other files
[07:15] <tenach> I use symlinks only when I'm doing webserver related tasks
[07:19] <bioterror> or when you have a specific library installed with like libfoo.so.1 and software required libfoo.so.0 ;)
[07:19] <bioterror> reuquires
[07:20] <tenach> aye.
[07:20] <robbmunson> yeah the zombie that refuses to die, returns! ;)
[08:10] <hobgoblin> hello nit-wit
[08:10] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, hey hows it going
[08:11] <hobgoblin> pretty good ty - day off work to look after little one - school shut due to 4" snow - no idea how we manage to come to a grinding halt in the south of england ...
[08:11] <hobgoblin> but a day off is always welcome :)
[08:12] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, I didn't know where you were located
[08:43] <beachbuddah> hey folks - I just upgraded to the latest kernel -23 and had some troubles so I rebooted back to -22
[08:43] <bioterror> use the 22 if it works
[08:44] <bioterror> making a bug report would be nice
[08:44] <beachbuddah> upon doing so I got a msg stating that xserver does not support my monitor and couldn't  handle the requested size
[08:44] <beachbuddah> I'm on a gateway 7330gz laptop - I never had any probs with my screen before
[08:45] <beachbuddah> bioterror! the 22 worked fine until I down booted into it - strange, huh?
[08:45] <bioterror> go to recovery and fix the X?
[08:46] <beachbuddah> I am not so technically aware as to be able to do that - I don't really know what X is (except find for X in HS algebra)
[08:46] <bioterror> !x11
[08:46] <ubot2> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart » in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[08:47] <beachbuddah> OK! great starts - I'll check them out right now.  Appreciate the help
[08:48] <bioterror> np
[08:48] <hobgoblin> beachbuddah: it would help to know what graphics card you have
[08:48] <beachbuddah> 1 sec
[08:49] <beachbuddah> beachbuddah@beachbuddah:~$ lspci | grep VGA
[08:49] <beachbuddah> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[08:50] <beachbuddah> hobgoblin! Is that what you needed?
[08:51] <hobgoblin> it is but doesn't help me much lol
[08:52] <bioterror> :D
[08:52] <hobgoblin> have you tried the recovery X fix option yet - I see bioterror mentioned it
[08:52] <bioterror> hahaha I found awesome reply to someones problem with that chipset
[08:52] <bioterror> "Get rid of your Intel card. Save the money because stealing isn't nice. Then the problem will go away. Don't fight this one. The Intel card is a disaster. (I now use a nvidia gigabyte geforce 210. It's fine. I used to have a 945G Intel chipset)."
[08:52] <hobgoblin> simple enough to do - second line in the menu list goes to a small menu - one option is fix X
[08:53] <beachbuddah> am about to now
[08:53] <beachbuddah> lol - that post is a goodie - I'm not sure a 5 yr old laptop is worth the price of a new vid card, though
[08:53] <hobgoblin> you could also check while there if you have a xorg.conf
[08:54] <bioterror> actually, every graphics driver seems to suck
[08:55] <bioterror> it's really challenging to find a laptop with chipset that's least worse
[08:57] <beachbuddah> sorry about the abrupt departure - apparently that command causes a reboot as well as a command to X
[09:02] <hobgoblin> beachbuddah: so what did you actually do so far?
[09:03] <beachbuddah> so I tell it xrandr like the wiki says and I get the following
[09:03] <beachbuddah> xrandr: Failed to get size of gamma for output default
[09:03] <beachbuddah> Screen 0: minimum 1024 x 768, current 1024 x 768, maximum 1024 x 768
[09:03] <beachbuddah> default connected 1024x768+0+0 0mm x 0mm
[09:03] <beachbuddah>    1024x768        0.0*
[09:03] <beachbuddah> Initially I tried:
[09:03] <beachbuddah>  « sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart »
[09:04] <beachbuddah> and did a quick reboot with no change in the monitor resolution
[09:04] <bioterror> but did you boot and choose from grub recovery mode?
[09:04] <bioterror> and from recovery you chose Fix X
[09:05] <beachbuddah> oops - missed that part in the process - excuse me whilst I reboot into recovery and try to Fix X
[09:05] <bioterror> like "Recover broken X configuration".
[09:06] <bioterror> well, godspeed beachbuddah :D
[09:13] <beachbuddah> bioterror!
[09:13] <hobgoblin> beachbuddah!
[09:13]  * bioterror rules *
[09:13] <hobgoblin> in a straight line?
[09:13] <beachbuddah> I followed your suggestions and find myself with a full size screen once again
[09:14] <bioterror> ofcourse
[09:14] <beachbuddah> lol
[09:14] <bioterror> you're welcome
[09:14] <beachbuddah> yes - tyvm
[09:14] <beachbuddah> still though 'xrandr' fails to get gamma output
[09:15] <beachbuddah> do you think the fix will last if I have to reboot or will I find myself going in through the recovery process?
[09:16] <bioterror> beachbuddah, I bet you and me knows how we can find out that thing
[09:16] <bioterror> there's only one solution to find it out
[09:16] <beachbuddah> you're right - took me a sec but I gotcha
[09:16] <beachbuddah> brb
[09:16] <bioterror> ahh, there he goes once again
[09:21] <hobgoblin> :)
[09:22] <bioterror> seems to take a while to boot
[09:22] <beachbuddah> bioterror!
[09:22] <beachbuddah> hobgoblin!
[09:22] <bioterror> beachbuddah!
[09:22] <bioterror> hobgoblin!
[09:23] <bioterror> is this like in reservoir dogs at the ending
[09:23] <bioterror> we are standing against each other :D
[09:23] <beachbuddah> The good news is I rebooted into -22 with a full size screen
[09:23] <beachbuddah> yes Mr Green
[09:23] <bioterror> :D
[09:23] <bioterror> can you boot to -23? :D
[09:24] <bioterror> or what was the problem with -23
[09:24] <beachbuddah> I always could - with no resolution problem
[09:24] <beachbuddah> it was my internet connectivity
[09:24] <bioterror> okay
[09:24] <bioterror> well
[09:24] <beachbuddah> I completely lost awareness of my eth0 connection
[09:25] <bioterror> report a bug at launchpad.net (you need to create an account) and tell them your network card and more about the problem
[09:25] <bioterror> or you can search if there's a report already and sign that it concerns you too
[09:25] <beachbuddah> OK - I have a launchpad acct
[09:27] <bioterror> lspci |grep Network
[09:28] <bioterror> gives your network card
[09:28] <beachbuddah> oddly enough in -22 I have lost the little network manager applet that tells me I am connected to the internet
[09:28] <beachbuddah> broadcom 4312
[09:28] <bioterror> beachbuddah, alt+f2 and nm-applet
[09:28] <beachbuddah> I know - extremely unreliable
[09:29] <beachbuddah> nope - the bar quivers for a second but it doesn't appear
[09:30] <beachbuddah> and here's something - when I go to network connections it tells me that neither my eth0 or my wireless connection have ever been used
[09:31] <beachbuddah> So have I achieved enlightenment and no longer need wires to connect to the web?
[09:31] <bioterror> it's normal
[09:31] <bioterror> :D
[09:31] <beachbuddah> which is normal
[09:31] <beachbuddah> ?
[09:32] <bioterror> "never used"
[09:32] <beachbuddah> ah - ok
[09:32] <bioterror> I'm using cale now at this place and it says "Auto eth0 never" :D
[09:32] <beachbuddah> go figure
[09:32] <bioterror> with wireless 16 days ago, 1month ago and never
[09:32] <bioterror> and that never I used last time yesterday
[09:33] <bioterror> so
[09:33] <beachbuddah> it seems there are certain issues yet to be completely solved by the magical Ubuntu developers
[09:59] <beachbuddah> hi again
[09:59] <beachbuddah> any idea how to determine what driver is in place for my eth0 connection?
[10:26] <beachbuddah> problem solved ;)
[12:56] <genupulas> need help while fixing the grub
[12:57] <AbhiJit> !details | genupulas
[12:57] <ubot2> genupulas: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..."
[12:58] <AbhiJit> genupulas, come here and ask
[12:59] <genupulas> i have installed windows by replacing the kubuntu part
[12:59] <genupulas> i had ubunut in my system
[13:00] <genupulas> ubuntu in my system ....but grub crashed .so how can i reach my ubuntu
[13:00] <genupulas> AbhiJit: ^^^
[13:00] <AbhiJit> grub is not crashed
[13:00] <AbhiJit> win has onverwritten mbr
[13:00] <AbhiJit> !fixgrub | genupulas follow this
[13:00] <ubot2> genupulas follow this: GRUB is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[13:01] <AbhiJit> genupulas, m busy atm. please ask someone else
[13:01] <genupulas> Puck`: ping
[13:01] <Puck`> genupulas: pong
[13:02] <genupulas> Puck`:  root@ubuntu:~# fixgrub fixgrub: command not found
[13:02] <Puck`> I never knew of such a command
[13:03] <Puck`> genupulas: update-grub ?
[13:03] <genupulas> Puck`:  lemme
[13:06] <genupulas> Puck`:  look at this ....http://pastebin.com/MLgs4ESx
[13:06] <genupulas> Puck`:  was it sounds positive
[13:07] <Puck`> genupulas: read the area that sais Using Ubuntu 9.10 please on http://ubuntuguide.net/how-to-restore-grub-2-after-reinstalling-windows-xpvistawin7
[13:51] <AbhiJit> hi
[13:58] <geekosopher> AbhiJit: hi
[13:59] <AbhiJit> geekosopher, hello
[13:59] <geekosopher> duanedesign: 0/
[14:23] <duanedesign> geekosopher: o/
[14:23] <duanedesign> :)
[14:23] <geekosopher> duanedesign: guess you already know about http://news.debian.net/2010/11/30/training-session-on-python-packaging/
[14:24] <pedro3005> oh, it's today! :)
[14:24] <pedro3005> I'll try to attend
[14:25] <duanedesign> geekosopher: awesome! thank you
[14:25] <geekosopher> its way past midnight for me... So I guess I will be reading the logs
[14:25] <geekosopher> duanedesign: never mention it
[14:26] <pedro3005> well
[14:26] <pedro3005> nobody on #debian-men
[14:26] <geekosopher> hehe lol
[14:26] <geekosopher> lets start that channel!
[14:26] <duanedesign> i need to add that RSS feed to my feed aggregator
[14:28] <pedro3005> geekosopher, I'll be there waiting!
[14:29] <pedro3005> I wonder if ubuntu-men exists
[14:29] <geekosopher> duanedesign: I wanted to wet my feet in packaging waters... and your project (clicompanion) seemed comfortable for me... could you help me learn packaging it for ubuntu as well as debian and may be co-maintain it?
[14:29] <pedro3005> it redirects to ##unavailable
[14:30] <geekosopher> pedro3005: I am there
[14:30] <duanedesign> geekosopher: absolutely
[14:31] <pedro3005> geekosopher, I don't see you.. #debian-men in irc.debian.org ?
[14:31] <duanedesign> i had a channel #I<3Barney for awhile
[14:31] <duanedesign> but no one ever showed up :)
[14:31] <duanedesign> cant imagine why
[14:32] <geekosopher> duanedesign: I guess you answered your own question ;)
[14:33] <duanedesign> :D
[14:34] <geekosopher> duanedesign: I am a bit pre-occupied today... will mail you with my queries later :)
[14:34]  * duanedesign nods
[15:42] <beachbuddah> hi folks
[15:42] <bodhizazen> 'lo beachbuddah
[15:42] <beachbuddah> namaste bodhi
[15:43] <beachbuddah> could you or anyone tell me how to permanently rollback to the previous (-22) kernel rather than the latest?
[15:44] <bodhizazen> When you boot, the old kernel should be on the list of options, in grub
[15:44] <bioterror> remove the 23 with apt-get remove
[15:44] <bodhizazen> boot the old kernel
[15:44] <bioterror> and freeze it
[15:44] <bodhizazen> remove the new kernel
[15:45] <bodhizazen> and put the kernel "on hold"
[15:45] <bodhizazen> beachbuddah: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=240
[15:45] <beachbuddah> OK! I'll give that a try.
[15:46] <beachbuddah> bodhizazen! thanks for the link I'll check it out before I start putting kernels on hold
[15:47] <bodhizazen> NP
[15:51] <beachbuddah> says to reboot - brb (I hope)
[15:57] <beachbuddah> bodhizazen!  It worked, though I removed rather than placed on hold the kernel
[15:57] <beachbuddah> bioterror! do you ever sleep?
[15:58] <hobgoblin> beachbuddah: bioterror is not human
[15:58] <bodhizazen> beachbuddah: put the kernel on hold, then it will not update when you apt-get upgrade
[15:58] <bodhizazen> beachbuddah: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=240
[15:59] <beachbuddah> bodhizazen! so right you are - I am a foolish n00b
[15:59] <beachbuddah> and you hobgoblin are?
[15:59] <bodhizazen> no, you are learning is all
[16:00] <beachbuddah> sloooowly
[16:00] <hobgoblin> beachbuddah: I am a myth
[16:00] <beachbuddah> lol
[16:00] <hobgoblin> and slowly is better - more chance of it sinking in
[16:00] <nit-wit> hobgoblin, don't say a word your secrets safe
[16:00] <hobgoblin> ty :)
[16:02] <nit-wit> a myth wrapped in a riddle
[16:02] <beachbuddah> earlier bioterror suggested alt-f2 nm-applet to bring back my network manager to my bar - but it just rattled the other icons and didn't return
[16:03] <beachbuddah> any other suggestions?  I have no idea whether I am connected via eth0 or wlan1 right now
[16:03] <nit-wit> beachbuddah, you need the notification area
[16:03] <beachbuddah> nit-wit!  I need (?) it?
[16:04] <beachbuddah> ho0w do I get it
[16:04] <nit-wit> beachbuddah,  right click panel add to panel
[16:04] <nit-wit> If I am reading your problem correct, I just logged on
[16:05] <beachbuddah> no you read it right
[16:05] <beachbuddah> but when I look at my choices the network manager isn't there
[16:06] <nit-wit> beachbuddah, network manager is in the notification area in the panel addons. Are you just missing that icon
[16:07] <nit-wit> beachbuddah, homor us and add the notification area
[16:07] <beachbuddah> yes - I clicked to add notification area but alas no nm
[16:07] <nit-wit> beachbuddah, sorry what distro are you running
[16:08] <beachbuddah> 10.10
[16:08] <nit-wit> beachbuddah, try in the terminal killall gnome-panel
[16:09] <beachbuddah> ok - some icons left (I think) and others have redistributed themselves along the top
[16:10] <nit-wit> beachbuddah, is this a fresh install that has not been rebooted per chance?
[16:11] <beachbuddah> due to connection difficulties it has been rebooted many many times
[16:12] <nit-wit> beachbuddah, but your on the web with it
[16:12] <beachbuddah> oh yes
[16:13] <nit-wit> beachbuddah, quite the conundrum I'm just not sure sorry:(
[16:14] <beachbuddah> np - thanks for trying nit-wit
[16:14] <beachbuddah> gee that sounds awfully sarcastic
[16:15] <nit-wit> beachbuddah, it needs more e's to be sarcastic geeeeeeee
[16:15] <beachbuddah> lol
[17:22] <MrAnthrope> I love you guys.
[17:25] <pedro3005> aw, thanks MrAnthrope
[17:25] <pedro3005> we love you too
[17:25] <MrAnthrope> lol :)
[17:39] <mR0> WeW
[17:42] <MrAnthrope> I swear there used to be a way to just type the path you wanted to go to in the top of a window but now it has buttons and I can't figure out how to get to a path except via the search button. And it's not possible to copy a path's name because they are buttons instead of text.
[17:42] <MrAnthrope> Am I crazy?
[17:43] <pedro3005> no, you're sane
[17:43] <hobgoblin> possibly - what are you talking about?
[17:43] <MrAnthrope> Phew.
[17:43] <MrAnthrope> lol.
[17:43] <pedro3005> MrAnthrope, try CTRL + L
[17:44] <MrAnthrope> Like when I open Places --> Home Folder
[17:44] <hobgoblin> if you are talking about nautilus
[17:44] <MrAnthrope> YES
[17:44] <hobgoblin> shhh - library rules - no shouting ;)
[17:44] <MrAnthrope> haha my bad. Thanks pedro.
[17:44] <pedro3005> no problem
[17:44] <beachbuddah_> If you look to the right, beachbuddah is listed twice - I don't mean to be but when I minimized my first iteration of x-chat to the tray it disappeared
[17:45] <pedro3005> beachbuddah_, /ghost
[17:45] <pedro3005> MrAnthrope, L for Location :p
[17:45] <beachbuddah_> w00t!
[17:46] <beachbuddah_> ty pedro
[17:46] <luckybunny> Don't party yet... have you got auto-reconnect?
[17:46] <pedro3005> and also, if you want to kill xchat, you could try
[17:46] <pedro3005> ps aux | grep xchat
[17:46] <hobgoblin> wwelcome back beachbuddah
[17:46] <beachbuddah_> lol
[17:46] <MrAnthrope> lol wouldn't a second iteration be a re-iteration? xD
[17:46] <beachbuddah_> lemme try that ps aux
[17:46] <luckybunny> answers my question
[17:46] <hobgoblin> indeed :)
[17:47] <hobgoblin> that'll be a beach party I guess ...
[17:47] <MrAnthrope> haha.
[17:47] <beachbuddah_> just don't get any sand down yer.....
[17:47] <luckybunny> I'd just kill the process in system monitor
[17:48] <beachbuddah_> hmmm - we are still here
[17:48] <pedro3005> luckybunny, what is this GUI you speak of?
[17:48] <pedro3005> :p
[17:48] <beachbuddah_> luckybunny! how do I do that?
[17:48] <MrAnthrope> What does the nick server say if you try to change your nick from beachbuddah_ to beachbuddah?
[17:48] <beachbuddah_> dunno - lets find out
[17:49] <beachbuddah_> nuttin happened
[17:49] <luckybunny> System > Administration > System monitor
[17:49] <beachbuddah_> luckybunny! ty
[17:49] <MrAnthrope> I don't have to use /ghost often but I'm pretty sure I always have to switch my nick back.
[17:49] <luckybunny> btw, there'll be 2 Xchats
[17:50] <luckybunny> which one you want to kill and which one you don't is all a matter of trying it out
[17:50] <luckybunny> good shot
[17:50] <beachbuddah_> yep - the one I couldn't see is gone now
[17:51] <Geo|away> Huzzah.
[17:51] <beachbuddah> :)
[17:51] <luckybunny> I often had that problem in Windows
[17:51] <luckybunny> so I got used to killing stuff that way
[17:52] <beachbuddah> I'm still not sure what does what in Ubuntu/Linux - I'm only at it about 3 weeks now
[17:52] <luckybunny> only a few months myself
[17:53] <luckybunny> I installed it because Vista rejected my broken computer
[17:53] <beachbuddah> lol'
[17:53] <luckybunny> but since then I have preferred Ubuntu
[17:53] <beachbuddah> I finally had it with M$ - I gave up on the live CD and finished with the dual boot I just made me an Ubuntu laptop and never looked back
[17:54] <pedro3005> :)
[17:54] <luckybunny> SO even when I got this computer with a fully functional XP on it, I still opted for Maverick
[17:55] <beachbuddah> that's not to say that the switch hasn't been challenging - but it certainly is rewarding
[17:55] <beachbuddah> I coulda got a Windows 7 hookup ( probably a strain on this old laptop) but I opted for Ubuntu instead
[17:56] <luckybunny> the computer I'm on only barely runs Maverick, despite being a fair way above minimum requirements
[17:57] <luckybunny> but I'm happy with it, so the computer can go get stuffed with its opinion
[17:57] <beachbuddah> o
[17:57] <luckybunny> It's a P3, 595MHz, 512 MiB RAM
[17:57] <beachbuddah> lol
[17:57] <luckybunny> so basically prehistoric
[17:58] <tenach> luckybunny: I'm currently trying to find a Linux distro that will work on a P1, 233MHz, 96MB RAM (what I'm currently on). XD
[17:58] <beachbuddah> send it to the computer museum
[17:58] <tenach> I mean, I know of a few, it's just a matter of finding the one that works the best.
[17:58] <luckybunny> eep
[17:58] <tenach> luckybunny: oh, it's also a laptop. XD
[17:58] <luckybunny> I wonder if Xubuntu would like it
[17:58] <tenach> luckybunny: No dice, the hdd is only 3gb.
[17:59] <luckybunny> O.O I thought I had it bad....
[17:59] <tenach> I've gotta go with something like TinyMe, DamnSmallLinux, or VectorLinux
[18:09] <geirha> minimal + lubuntu-desktop might work
[18:11] <MrAnthrope> I was using Tiny7 on this computer but it was way too buggy.
[18:12] <MrAnthrope> 1 gig of ram, 2.3GHz
[18:12] <MrAnthrope> Then one day it just bogged down for no reason. Chrome would take like 5 minutes to open. So I installed Ubuntu.
[18:13] <bioterror> yeah, with that old P3 like 600MHz I would go for the Lubuntu
[18:20] <MrAnthrope> What are the pros for installing x86 Ubuntu? Is that recommended for a newb?
[18:21] <bioterror> compared to what?
[18:21] <bioterror> amd64?
[18:21] <MrAnthrope> x32
[18:21] <bioterror> x86 = 32bit
[18:21] <MrAnthrope> lol Now I'm confused :)
[18:22] <bioterror> AMD64 = 64bit
[18:22] <MrAnthrope> x32 vs x64?
[18:22] <MrAnthrope> You can put more ram on one of them.
[18:23] <bioterror> you can put ram to 32bit too
[18:23] <bioterror> but requires different kernel
[18:28] <MrAnthrope> Is Ubuntu optimized for multi-core CPUs?
[18:29] <bioterror> ubuntu comes with SMP kernel, yes
[18:31] <MrAnthrope> What is the command to make an .exe file so I can use it in Wine?
[18:32] <bioterror> ? syntax error
[18:32] <bioterror> open wine file manager
[18:32] <MrAnthrope> "File is not listed as an executable and could be dangerous blah blah blah"
[18:33] <MrAnthrope> Blocked: wine start /unix
[18:34] <MrAnthrope> Nevermind there's a GUI alternative :)
[19:02] <seidos> should my usb printer be listed in lsusb when it is turned on and plugged in?
[19:02] <pedro3005> hopefully it should
[19:04] <seidos> it's weird, i loaded the drivers for this printer, but it doesn't print, and it says that it's online
[19:04] <seidos> i even tried following this guide:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=38995&highlight=canon+ip4000
[19:05] <seidos> i've printed on a usb printer before, but i never checked to see if the printer shows up in lsusb
[19:05] <seidos> there is some communication though, i think, because the printer blinks green and orange
[19:05] <seidos> i should probably check the ink cartridges
[19:05] <seidos> or...something
[19:06] <bioterror> maybe
[19:06] <bioterror> or paper jam
[19:06] <seidos> i need to download the manual to see what this blinking is
[19:07] <seidos> the lsusb thing is interesting though
[19:09] <bioterror> it makes me sad, as I dont see any usb 3.0 hubs or devices ;)
[19:14] <seidos> er?
[19:29] <MrAnthrope> haha that was delayed.
[19:30] <MrAnthrope> I plugged my printer in and it evidently installed itself. The same did not happen for my scanner. They're both HP. I guess I'll consult google...
[19:32] <bioterror> google is so smart
[19:32] <bioterror> tells lots of solutions
[19:35] <MrAnthrope> Dang. http://www.sane-project.org/unsupported/hp-scanjet-4600.html
[19:35] <MrAnthrope> Unsupported.
[19:35] <MrAnthrope> My printer works but I have no ink lol.
[19:37] <bioterror> shake the ink casette
[19:37] <bioterror> :D
[19:38] <MrAnthrope> lol. Uhg I always ask first and then think about it and usually end up solving my own problem before anyone responds. xD bad habbit.
[19:53] <hobgoblin> hello bobman500
[19:54] <hobgoblin> just going to eat and I will be with you
[19:56] <bobman500> OK, no problem
[20:09] <LunaCollins> I've been having trouble with internet access in Ubuntu 10.10. I'm using a Dell Inspiron 1440 with a Broadcomm wireless card, and I'm dual-booting Windows 7.
[20:11] <LunaCollins> I used an Ethernet cable to connect my computer to my boyfriend's HP laptop after successfully installing Ubuntu on that, and I was able to get internet even after unplugging the cable. But after I restarted when updating, the wireless stopped working again. I had this problem since I installed Ubuntu.
[20:12] <bobman500> I had that at first. What fixed it for me is plugging it into the ethernet, going to system > admin > additional drivers, and checking for updates. It found one for my wireless, and had no problems after that
[20:13] <LunaCollins> When I go to "Additional Drivers," it says that the driver is activated but not currently in use.
[20:13] <LunaCollins> Right now I'm using said laptop with Windows 7.
[20:14] <LunaCollins> After fixing it, it reverts when I restart.
[20:16] <bobman500> Sometimes it comes up with 2 drivers, try the other one if there is one. Past that, I don't know I am afraid. I am a beginner too, I just happened to have the same issue
[20:17] <LunaCollins> There's only one driver showing up, and it says it's activated but not being used.
[20:18] <LunaCollins> It seems to fix itself when I initally plug it into another computer with wireless, but the problem reverts when I restart
[20:21] <bobman500> It sounds silly, but have you actually activated wireless? Either by right-clicking the logo top-right, or there might be a button on the keyboard
[20:22] <LunaCollins> The wireless is indeed activated.
[20:23] <LunaCollins> when I unplugged my laptop from the other one, I still had wireless internet. Is it just some weirdness with Dell or Broadcomm? The computer I was plugged into is an HP.
[20:24] <bobman500> and I am guessing that when you activate the wireless driver, while not connected to another computer, you unplugged it from the ethernet and set it up correctly?
[20:28] <LunaCollins> I already set it up the day I installed Ubuntu (two or so weeks ago) and it didn't work. But when I plugged my laptop into my boyfriend's who is also running 10.10 and had internet, I suddenly had wireless access.
[20:29] <LunaCollins> But after a restart, it says that the driver is activated but not in use, and nothing shows up under "Wireless Networks" except the option to set up a VPN.
[20:29] <bobman500> very strange. I am really sorry. I have no idea. Like I said, I am not an expert, I just happened to have a similar problem!
[20:29] <hobgoblin> bobman500: evening
[20:29] <bobman500> +hobgoblin: Hey. I think I have actually worked it out
[20:30] <hobgoblin> bobman500: cool :)
[20:30] <bobman500> Unless I have got it all wrong, I can use an ubuntu Live CD to 'try ubuntu', thus not using the hard drive, and just make the 75gig free space again, and then resize the existing hard drive by 75gig
[20:31] <hobgoblin> yes you can - I was shying away from that as you appeared to be having a few issues getting your head around the whole thing
[20:32] <bobman500> Nah, I can understand fairly complex ideas and instructions, I just struggle with the actual 'jargon'
[20:32] <hobgoblin> bobman500: the most important thing when you are resizing is to be ready for the worst scenario - if you lose power half way through you might be able to rescue it but it's not a given - so in shouty - make sure you have BACKUPS :)
[20:33] <hobgoblin> I can understand that - a lot of it makes me look at man pages and then scratch my head
[20:34] <hobgoblin> bobman500: to be honest that thread is only really a few commands - just looks like a lot when it is french :D
[20:34] <hobgoblin> bobman500: one more thing if you resize - it might take a while - don't assume it has hung
[20:35] <bobman500> I have backups of everything except video downloads. I don't have an external hard drive, so don't have the room to back everything up. So I will just have to risk it
[20:35] <hobgoblin> oh and you will likely have to turn swap off as it will get used - you do that in gparted - right clikc on swap and trun it off
[20:35] <hobgoblin> then good luck with it bobman500 :)
[20:35] <bobman500> what is swap?
[20:36] <hobgoblin> it's like the pagefile in windows - sort of
[20:36] <bobman500> ok, fair enough
[20:36] <bobman500> thanks a lot
[20:36] <hobgoblin> welcome
[20:37] <hobgoblin> have you seen the wiki pages - there's a lot of information in there that you can digest as and when
[20:37] <hobgoblin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/
[22:17] <Theamazingape> so is this where i get the password that makes me an instant linux pro no with no hassle at all?
[22:56] <UndiFineD> the answer of course was: 42
[22:57] <bioterror> :D
[22:58] <bioterror> that was great 3mins :D