[00:15] hmmmm what package do I report the new notification area thing against? [00:17] fagan, what's the bug? [00:17] we talked about a few things on the ayatana mailing list a few months back and we thought it would be good to remove the vpn item from that [00:17] fagan, I would suggest just logging it against Unity, then let them assign it to the correct package [00:17] cool === oubiwann_ is now known as oubiwann [00:45] whats the right place to seek assistance with a 3g modem issue [00:47] lifeless: thats a good question [00:47] it depends on what kind of issue it is really [00:55] fagan: vodafone prepay modem, bought today, k3571-Z [00:55] reports 'error code 3: no carrier' when attempting to connect [00:56] debug trace shows that its getting NO CARRIER in response to ATD*99***2# (or something like that - and that that is referencing the right APN in the APN array on the sim/modem) [00:57] interesting [00:57] I don't know enough to guess if this is a provider issue, interaction-with-phone-issue, bug, or what have you. [00:58] hmmmm well id say the best person to ask would be the maintainer of that package [00:58] * fagan checks [01:00] Bhavani Shankar maintains it in ubuntu [01:01] he could point you to the upstream and they can help [01:01] we dont maintain that list in ubuntu so I dont think anyone around here would know about it [01:02] lifeless: I think some people discussed this on the ubuntu-nz list awhile back [01:04] ajmitch: linky link? [01:05] looking for it, otherwise someone in #ubuntu-nz might know better [01:07] sigh, can't find it now [01:08] best I can find is http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1569910 talking about needing to use usb-modeswitch [01:12] ajmitch: its detected [01:12] mm chats with it happily [01:13] fagan: do you know their irc nick? [01:29] lifeless: on launchpad it says coolbhavi [01:29] but if I remember right he goes between that and bhavi [01:30] id say the best chance is to email him bhavi@ubuntu.com [01:40] lifeless, cyphermox might be able to help you debug, he's one of the Ubuntu NM maintainers [01:41] lifeless, will likely be your AM when you are next both on though [01:42] so confusing seeing NM & AM together & not have them refer to debian [01:43] yeah the entire thing is confusing in terms of ownership I think [02:14] lifeless, not confusing on the desktop [02:14] it is definetly cyphermox ! === asac_ is now known as asac [03:11] hm, got 2 regressions after today's upgrade. 1/ when starting with metacity, there's no panel anymore. 2/ when using a launcher on the panel, the app appears on workspace 1 instead of the current workspace [03:28] rickspencer3: thanks [03:28] cyphermox: ping [03:29] cyphermox: see backlog re: modemmanager [03:29] lifeless, I'm afrait I don't have that backlog [03:30] cyphermox: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/12/02/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t00:45 [03:31] micahg: thanks! [03:31] yeah, I just got to it, I'm reading [03:31] lifeless: np [03:38] lifeless, from the logs I assume you already ran MM in debug mode, could you point me to the logs? [03:39] cyphermox: I did, I didn't save them. [03:39] I'll redo. [03:41] please, that should give something useful to start with... do you use this with a separate sim card or the same as for your phone, if you have one? [03:42] its a new prepaid sim [03:42] single pack at the vodafone store contained modem and sim [03:42] they activated it for me [03:43] hang on [03:45] lifeless, I'm just asking because sharing a sim leads to fun issues like pin2 and stuff that might not work well with MM, at least that has been an issue in the past [03:46] cyphermox: do you want me to try connecting with these debug logs open ? [03:47] https://pastebin.canonical.com/40373/ [03:48] https://pastebin.canonical.com/40374/ [03:48] https://pastebin.canonical.com/40375/ [03:48] (I'm connected on wifi simultaneously to tal to you [03:50] lifeless, had you been connected to wired we could have tried to stop MM and NM and pass commands to the modem manually, but I don't know what yet, I need to look at your pastes [03:50] cyphermox: I can be on wired [03:50] cyphermox: should I ? [03:50] lifeless, no need for now [04:01] very weird [04:01] you bought it today? [04:02] yes [04:02] perhaps its not activated correctly; I can ring their helpdesk if that seems likely. [04:05] lifeless: Vodafone (UK) K3570-Z TopUp And Go ? [04:05] you aren't the only one according to google if so https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=623950 [04:05] Sarvatt: no, .au [04:05] bugzilla.redhat.com bug 623950 in ModemManager "Vodafone (UK) K3570-Z TopUp And Go mobile broadband dongle won't connect" [Medium,New] [04:06] k3571-z [04:10] Sarvatt: It may be the same issue of course, I don't know what the 0->1 change means hw or s.w wise. [04:11] Sarvatt: it looks different [04:11] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/attachment.cgi?id=438796 [04:11] they don't get NO CARRIER [04:12] lifeless, fwiw, I recall being told activation could take up to a few hours [04:12] cyphermox: yah, let me un plug and replug. [04:12] it was, uhm, 6 hours back [04:13] I don't see why you'd be able to properly register on the network but get a no carrier error like this, unless it was that there really was low signal, but afair 13,99 is not that bad [04:14] trying to re-download the spec now to check ;) [04:24] cyphermox: unplugged, plugged in, still no go: [04:24] Dec 2 17:23:43 lifeless-64 modem-manager: Modem /org/freedesktop/ModemManager/Modems/1: state changed (registered -> connecting) [04:24] Dec 2 17:23:43 lifeless-64 modem-manager: Got failure code 3: No carrier [04:24] Dec 2 17:23:43 lifeless-64 modem-manager: Modem /org/freedesktop/ModemManager/Modems/1: state changed (connecting -> registered) [04:26] yeah best I can think of is wait or call their helpdesk, all I see right now looks fine to me [04:28] unless it needs some special command magic that I'm not aware of. but then I'll have to share with dcbw to see if he knows about it [04:34] lifeless, can you tell me the usb id for your modem so I can speak to dcbw later? [04:35] sure, its not in the logs? [04:37] cyphermox: they say 'definitely activated' [04:37] Bus 002 Device 005: ID 19d2:1010 ONDA Communication S.p.A. [04:37] ah [04:38] is betavine useful, or likely to trash my system? [04:38] betavine? [04:38] https://forge.betavine.net/ [04:39] https://forge.betavine.net/frs/?group_id=76&release_id=282 [04:41] usb_modeswitch_data you may want to try. it's not hugely damageable, maybe they switch the mode slightly differently and that will allow your modem to work [04:41] to know, check the contained files that would get installed in /etc/modeswitch.d for the usb ID [04:42] bah, its not in it [04:43] https://forge.betavine.net/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/src/vodafone-mobile-connect/resources/platform/ubuntu/etc/udev/rules.d/45-vmc-zte.rules?rev=1086&root=vodafonemobilec&view=auto [04:43] covers it though [04:44] that was fixed some time ago [04:45] anyway, the file in the usb_modeswitch package they have is the same we ship in maverick and natty [04:45] I'll brb, need to reboot into a live session [04:52] . [04:54] all I see is a dot, did I miss something? [04:58] cyphermox: I'm on wired now, nm killed off [05:00] ok [05:00] I still have no clear clue what to check though [05:00] helpdesk said *99# right number, or *99***1# / *99***2# [05:01] I'd be tempted to get at least at+clac? to know what commands the modem accepts, and maybe at+rssi? to know the signal level [05:01] yeah [05:01] I'm on ttyUSB1 in minicom [05:01] is that suitable === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [05:01] yep [05:01] I was going to suggest screen, but minicom works as well [05:01] speed is 115200, or whatever that number is for the highest setting [05:02] https://pastebin.canonical.com/40376/ [05:03] AT+RSSI [05:03] ERROR [05:04] duh, i'm being dumb, that one is called different on zte modems [05:04] AT+ZRSSI [05:04] +ZRSSI: 82,16,180 [05:04] OK [05:04] ? [05:04] yep [05:04] thanks ;) [05:05] so, perhaps we shouldn't be doing ATD on USB1? [05:06] theres like 4 ports [05:06] that's very plausible [05:07] let's check something -- using wvdial and plain ppp [05:07] Is lp:eog the bzr import of upstream which we're using for Natty? Does anyone know? [05:08] cyphermox: ready when you are [05:10] cyphermox: bingo [05:10] usb3: [05:10] at [05:10] OK [05:10] atd*99***2# [05:10] CONNECT 3600000 [05:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/modemmanager/+bug/683996 [05:14] Launchpad bug 683996 in modemmanager (Ubuntu) "NO CARRIER error vodafone K3571-Z ZTE 3g modem (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] [05:15] sorry dude, I'm doing multiple things at once and it's getting really late here :/ [05:15] thats ok [05:15] I'm looking for the control file now to tell mm what to do [05:15] cool, with this bug I'll be able to look at it tomorrow at worst [05:18] in /lib/udev/rules.d/77-mm-zte-port-types.rules [05:18] what are the two lines [05:18] and what are the defaults? [05:19] err, give me 2 min to get back to a non-live session where I can actually do stuff and I' ll look in the code to know ;) [05:19] kk [05:19] I'll WAG it for now [05:27] found it I think [05:27] https://forge.betavine.net/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/src/core/resources/udev/77-vmc-zte.rules?root=bcm&rev=608&r1=584&r2=608 [05:28] ATTRS{idProduct}=="1010", ENV{.MM_USBIFNUM}=="03", ENV{ID_MM_ZTE_PORT_TYPE_MODEM}="1" [05:28] ATTRS{idProduct}=="1010", ENV{.MM_USBIFNUM}=="01", ENV{ID_MM_ZTE_PORT_TYPE_AUX}="1" [05:28] maybe? [05:29] yep there it is [05:33] win [05:34] cyphermox: any diagnostics you want done ? === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [05:37] cyphermox: there are other models there that may need snarfing and including upstream [05:41] cool, if you feel like it, go ahead and propose changes, we use this branch for packaging MM: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~modemmanager/modemmanager/ubuntu [05:41] otherwise I'll do it tomorrow (it's almost 1am here) [05:49] cyphermox: tomorrow is fine, I have other fish to fry! [05:50] Good morning [05:50] http://rbtcollins.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/justworks-hardware-vendors/ [05:50] cyphermox: ^ fy entertainment [05:51] lifeless, cool :) [05:51] thanks for your help, was wonderful. [05:51] pitti, good morning ;) [05:52] hey cyphermox [05:58] Sarvatt: that uk user [05:58] Sarvatt: I think his modem will be fixed by the same patch as mine - he has the ...0 variant [05:58] * Sarvatt nods [05:59] the patch I found, and referenced has both. [06:15] hey pitti good morning [06:15] hey rickspencer3, how are you? [06:15] well [06:15] listening to some music before I turn in [06:16] pitti, seems the Alpha 1 image is working reasonably well [06:16] nice to hear [06:16] indeed [06:16] * pitti just rsyncing the latest one [06:16] kvm is still acting up for me, but on real iron the live system comes up quite nicely [06:17] mmm [06:17] for an A1, well, seems quite suitable for early feedback [06:17] and the Unity launcher is surprisingly usable, at least for me with my Intel graphics === bilalakhtar_ is now known as cdbs [06:34] robert_ancell: hey [06:35] robert_ancell: I uploaded the new glade because (1) it was going to stick in binary NEW, and (2) glade-3 isn't on our CDs, so it couldn't break the images [06:35] robert_ancell: apparently it got binNEWed, so indeed we need to rebuild gnome-media now; I see that you already prepared it in bzr, do you want to upload, or want me to? [06:36] robert_ancell: I'll respond to your second question via mail [06:37] pitti, you can upload, I'm about to leave. I was just waiting for A1 to be released [06:37] robert_ancell: ok, will do; have a good night! [07:41] good morning [07:45] if there's no rush, I can take the gnome-shell gir-repository-dev build-dep drop [07:47] hey pitti [07:48] pitti: robert uploaded unity it seems, I'm not sure about his patch, do you think it's in the iso? [08:09] hey didrocks, good morning [08:09] micahg: thanks [08:09] micahg: no, it's not that urgent [08:10] didrocks: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20101202/natty-desktop-i386.manifest [08:10] didrocks: which version do we expect? [08:10] didrocks: it seems to be the current one (3.2.2-0ubuntu2) [08:11] pitti: hey [08:11] yeah… [08:11] don't know why people upload hacks without upstream review :/ [08:11] well… that's ok, we'll see [08:13] pitti: btw, it seems that apport doesn't trigger on crashes when there is no notification area. I think it's related to update-notifier, isn't it? [08:13] didrocks: correct [08:13] (it seems it tries to launch it, then stop, tries, stop…) [08:13] ok, I'll have a look there if you don't mind [08:13] we need update-notifier for this [08:14] if u-n isn't running, apport crashes won't be shown [08:14] that will be better for unity :) [08:14] (it still catches them, though, at least in the live system) [08:14] less bugs \o/ [08:14] yeah [08:14] didrocks: I figure u-n will move to an appindicator? [08:15] pitti: seems logical, I have to look at what's it displaying [08:15] rather than having a dummy menu, maybe we can build one with "crash on app1", "crash on app2"… [08:15] so that when you click on it, you only report one crash [08:16] (I guess it's calling apport-bug) === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:33] morning [08:34] hey rodrigo_ [08:36] hey [08:36] salut seb128 [08:36] lut didrocks [08:36] didrocks, how are you? [08:37] didrocks, sorry about the unity upload not compliant to your rules [08:37] I was on a maverick box and couldn't do build and testing yesterday and we needed to get that fix out [08:37] especially in freeze and with a patch without upstream review [08:37] well, a1 was crashing on the livecd for everyone [08:37] and you were not around [08:37] oh really? [08:37] the patch is coming from jay [08:38] didrocks, yes, your import code imports examples.desktop [08:38] ok, then :) I was afraid about the patch rather the upload :) [08:38] which is not an application desktop [08:38] the launcher go "what?" [08:38] and crash [08:38] ok, I imported that because the launcher was supposed to deal with those desktop files [08:38] well it doesn't [08:39] it was just crashing on the live session [08:39] ok, then, it's ok if upstream reviewed the patch :) [08:39] it's not reviewed [08:39] can you make sure that it's in trunk as well? [08:39] I could get hold of anybody but jay [08:39] wel, jay did it [08:39] ok [08:39] couldn't [08:39] brb getting coffee [08:39] is there an upstream bug about it? [08:39] hi didrocks, seb128 [08:39] the bug has the reference and the vcs from jay [08:39] (still not at the end of the 50+ bugs email related to unity) [08:42] hey rodrigo_ [08:43] didrocks, so robert didn't know about bzr merging some revision to backport the fix [08:43] didrocks, he switched to v3 because that was easier that to add a patch system [08:43] seb128: well, let's no worry about that, I'll just revert the v3 source [08:43] does someone have an idea why gnome-panel doesn't autostart anymore for me (natty)? [08:43] I guess you only want to merge the changelog entry and backport the commit once in trunk [08:43] seb128: I was just worried about the patch not being blessed by anyone :) [08:44] seb128: right, I'm not sure about that commit or to add proper support [08:44] didrocks, it has been made by jay and confirmed to work by several people [08:44] it's just a workaround for a1 [08:44] seb128: sure, it's totally fine, no worry :) [08:47] didrocks, the side effect is a launcher without text or icon [08:47] RAOF: does emacs23.dekstop or whatever has a path to icon=/ ? [08:47] seb128: yeah, for those, the nautilus icon makes sense, doesn't it? [08:47] well the .desktop has an Icon= line [08:47] (well, if the launcher is supposed to support them) [08:48] the launcher code probably just fail to parse it [08:48] ok, I know there are some failing when Icon=/absolute/path [08:48] I blame it on njpatel ;-) [08:48] but it doesn't crash, you have the ? [08:48] didrocks, in this case it's "Icon=folder" [08:48] well, it didn't [08:48] hum, ok :) [08:48] so unknown icon [08:48] didrocks, it's just that the desktop type is no application [08:48] it's a directory [08:48] yeah… I'll fix that, sounds small and easy :) [08:49] ;-) [08:49] great! [08:49] didrocks: Yeah, it does - I found the relevant unity bug and duped it against it. [08:49] I have that + the other case [08:49] didrocks, is there any sort of tests for the launcher? [08:49] RAOF: yeah, I have it with a wine app (monkey island2, special edition) :) [08:49] seems a case to add to the tests [08:49] seb128: there are a lot [08:49] seb128: not enough apparently :) [08:49] but yeah, there are [08:49] ok [08:49] not sure about corrupted .desktop file though [08:50] * didrocks adds to his TODO [08:50] well that one is not corrupted [08:50] do you want me to try to debug the issue? [08:50] well, corrupted/not as expected/ :) [08:50] would be a nice way to get around the unity code [08:50] seb128: no, it's fine, I just finish catching up on my email and then I have time for that [08:50] ok [08:50] I need to find another bug [08:50] "it's mine, it's mine" :) [08:50] I want to start getting familiat wirh unity [08:51] t->r [08:51] seb128: do you want bitesize-like bug? I'm afraid the one you reported aren't easy [08:52] seb128: for instance, the animation "too quick" is a workaround for the launcher not being clickable on "urgent" state [08:52] didrocks, right, I don't want to get close from compiz (yet) [08:52] like no work on focus issues [08:52] that launcher one seems something easy to start with [08:52] but I will find another one [08:52] don't worry ;-) [08:52] I'm subscribed to the unity bugs and they are supposed to build lists for people like me every week [08:53] ok :) [08:53] so we know on what we can help a bit ;-) [08:53] yeah, there are another bitesize one IIRC [08:59] seb128, looking at your comment at https://code.launchpad.net/~rodrigo-moya/ubuntu/natty/gnome-control-center/2_91_3_release/+merge/42134 -> indeed I forgot to add some removed patches to debian/changelog, but debian/patches/01_remove_debian_default_applications.patch hasn't been deleted [09:00] seb128, pushing my fixed changelog [09:00] rodrigo_, oh right, I saw only red lines for it [09:00] though it seemed to be code deleted rather than updated [09:00] rodrigo_, sorry about that ;-) [09:00] I guess upstream dropped the debian entry from the list? [09:00] seb128, no problem, there's indeed code removed [09:01] seb128, no, just the list of web browsers [09:01] we use g_app_info_* now instead of a fixed list of browsers [09:01] ditto for mail readers [09:02] seb128, there's still the part of the patch which removes the debian terminal [09:02] ok [09:02] seb128, ok, pushed [09:02] great [09:02] brb [09:17] pitti: Good Morning! Thought I'd try to catch you before they wake up over there... Fresh patches and merge proposals, hopefully ready for a more 'sharp' review. See also comment #70, 73 and 74 at https://launchpad.net/bugs/553162 [09:17] Launchpad bug 553162 in language-selector (Ubuntu) (and 3 other projects) "Set $LANGUAGE if the user picks a different locale in gdm, so that language-selector and gdm stop disagreeing (affects: 30) (dups: 10) (heat: 192)" [Undecided,In progress] [09:18] GunnarHj: I saw the responses, thanks! [09:18] re [09:18] sorry I compiz crashes really screwed my xorg [09:18] I had to restart [09:20] * seb128 does some config changes [09:20] let's remove IRC from my autostart softwares [09:20] pitti: Are we close to committing? [09:21] seb128: hum? still crashes with latest compiz? [09:21] GunnarHj: I still have to catch up with all the recent comments [09:21] GunnarHj: but this should certainly land by a2 if we can get to an agreement how to juggle all the files :) [09:24] pitti: Ok, I'll be patient. Logging out now; back in a few hours. === dbarth__ is now known as dbarth [09:36] hey pitti, good morning. Have you had a chance to have a look at what happened with yesterday's maverick langpack build in the PPA? [09:37] dpm: not yet, sorry; I'm currently drowning in emails and external requests [09:37] but it's high on my list, promised [09:37] pitti, no worries, thanks! [10:02] kklimonda1, hi [10:08] is there a way to remove a package from a ppa? [10:08] yes, go in the detailled view of the ppa [10:09] on the right of the page you have a delete page url [10:09] I've uploaded an old broken gnome-keyring which generate a libgcr0 package, now I uploaded a fix that rename it to libgcr-3... but ppa still give the broken libgcr0 and override maverick's [10:09] seb128, ^ [10:10] what ppa is that? [10:10] https://launchpad.net/~telepathy/+archive/telepathy-devel [10:11] Zdra, click on "view package details" [10:11] in the right corner [10:11] then on "delete packages" [10:11] you should have the old gnome-keyring in the list [10:11] select it and delete it [10:13] seb128, oh sorry, didn't realize that delete package shows more packages than the normal view [10:13] seb128, thanks :D [10:13] you're welcome [10:13] it's a bit confusing indded [10:13] indeed [10:14] Zdra, that's already available in the gnome3 ppa [10:14] rodrigo_, I know, I copied your package ;) [10:14] thanks :) [10:15] Zdra, ah, ok [10:15] Zdra, working on the telepathy stack for gtk3? [10:16] yep [10:16] we got everything [10:16] cool [10:17] and are you keeping stuff in that PPA, or do you plan to put it on the gnome3 one? [10:20] our telepathy-devel PPA should contain everything [10:20] rodrigo_, I don't want to use gnome3 ppa, it contains too much things [10:20] rodrigo_, I prefer keeping the minimum to havem empathy3 running [10:21] will empathy run fine on GNOME 2.32? [10:21] out of the gtk3 depends [10:22] seb128, yes [10:22] well, like will it required other GNOME3 desktop components to integrate correctly? [10:22] seb128, I have it here [10:23] seb128, but GTK theme does not work :( [10:23] right, it does, but is it going to stay this way? [10:23] seb128, it also need keyring/canberra/notify [10:23] well I guess you don't get the nautilus-sendto integration to work for example [10:23] since nautilus is still on gtk2 [10:24] seb128, that's optional at build-time [10:24] but indeed, I don't think it works === cdbs is now known as bilalakhtar === bilalakhtar is now known as cdbs [10:39] didrocks, dbarth: bug #683797 [10:39] Launchpad bug 683797 in apport "apport should work without the systray (affects: 1) (heat: 10)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/683797 [10:39] could you give details? [10:39] I've a GNOME session without systray and it works fine there... [10:41] seb128: even if you get a crash? [10:41] didrocks, yes [10:41] seb128: ubuntu-bug works and apport-bug as well [10:41] I just sig11 gconf-editor to try [10:42] with update-notifier running on a command line [10:42] it notices the .crash and fire apport [10:42] weird, it's not working there and pitti confirmed that update-notifier needs porting for it working [10:42] it went in a loop cycle for me [10:42] hum, "porting"? [10:42] to what? [10:42] (yesterday) [10:42] seb128: to indicator, not systray [10:42] it's a service [10:42]