[00:49] <nhandler> So, just a reminder that we have a meeting tomorrow
[00:49] <nhandler> I should be there, but I might be in and out a bit
[01:04] <pleia2> me too
[20:03] <akgraner> Hey all  - Reminder meeting tonight - 2300 UTC here :-)  Hope you all can make it!  There is a lot to discuss!  If you think you would like to help publish (edit and announce it to all the places) the newsletter please add your name to the list (link will be available after the meeting tonight). Then we can figure out who needs training on what and get a training schedule together.  Thanks in advance!
[21:22] <cjohnston> akgraner: ping
[22:52] <akgraner> cjohnston, pong?  was this about the calender?
[22:53] <cjohnston> yes
[22:53] <akgraner> k
[22:53] <akgraner> 7 minutes til the meeting :-)
[22:53] <cjohnston> I'm here.. It's Daddy daycare though.
[22:57]  * pleia2 waves
[22:57] <cjohnston> 36 hours no sleep sucks
[22:57] <akgraner> :-)  no worries!
[22:57] <akgraner> hey pleia2 :-)
[23:00] <cjohnston> ding ding ding
[23:01] <akgraner> #startmeeting
[23:01] <Mootbot-UK> Meeting started at 23:01. The chair is akgraner.
[23:01] <Mootbot-UK> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [PROGRESS REPORT], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[23:01] <akgraner> hi everyone thanks for joining the news team meeting
[23:01] <akgraner> the agenda for this meeting can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Meetings
[23:02] <akgraner> we may not go in that exact order as I'll do my best to group related topics together
[23:02] <akgraner> so who is here for the meeting?
[23:02] <cjohnston> o/
[23:03] <cjohnston> yay
[23:03] <cjohnston> what do i win
[23:03] <akgraner> ok so it's been a while since our last meeting and there are many new and exciting things
[23:04] <akgraner> [TOPIC]  - Improving UWN Survey Results
[23:04] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:   - Improving UWN Survey Results
[23:04] <akgraner> [LINK] - http://akgraner.com/?p=820
[23:04] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - http://akgraner.com/?p=820
[23:05] <akgraner> not sure how many of you all were able to review this results, but based on these answers (as well as the free form answers - which I still need to send to the list), I wanted to propose various changes to the UWN template
[23:06] <akgraner> any comments so far from anyone who has reviewed the survey results?
[23:06] <cjohnston> nope
[23:08] <akgraner> if you get a chance please look over the survey and should you have comments or questions please bring them up  - before Monday (as this is when the next issue will be released)
[23:08] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Revising UWN Template Based on Survey Feedback
[23:08] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Revising UWN Template Based on Survey Feedback
[23:09] <akgraner> [LINK] - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate
[23:09] <Mootbot-UK> LINK received:  - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/IssueTemplate
[23:09] <akgraner> the link above is the current UWN Template
[23:10] <akgraner> I had every intention showing an example of the new proposed template but I ran out of daylight - I'll work on that one tonight before I send the logs out so everyone will have a chance to see it before publication on Monday
[23:11] <akgraner> You can see from the survey which sections are the least read
[23:12] <cjohnston> I'm assuming the ones with the highest vote of not read are going to be cut?
[23:12] <pleia2> I think it's worth noting that even ones which "weren't read" much we still have 50+ people saying they read them
[23:12] <akgraner> these sections - Monthly team reports, Upcoming Meetings and events, updates and security, for example can be represented with links to those wiki pages/archives/calendars rather than listing them all out
[23:12] <pleia2> 14% (the lowest) of readers is nothing to sneeze at
[23:13] <akgraner> pleia2, correct - but the biggest complaint is UWN is too long
[23:13]  * pleia2 nods
[23:14] <pleia2> events and updates I absolutely agree should be put elsewhere - not least of which because they sometimes change
[23:14] <akgraner> so if on the fridge we are giving links to the sections that are listed in "In this Issue" so people can just click on the sections they want to read, my thought was this would fit into that model really well
[23:14] <pleia2> and raising the profile of the community calendars is always a good idea :)
[23:16] <akgraner> pleia2, yeppers exactly :-) if we can drive more traffic and raise the awareness of various Ubuntu resources that are available then as I see it it's a win-win
[23:16] <internalkernel> o/
[23:16] <internalkernel> sorry...
[23:17] <akgraner> internalkernel, no worries  - just glad you could join the meeting
[23:18] <akgraner> so how does this sound- I'll revise the template and let everyone compare/contrast the two version - and offer feedback between now and Sunday.  How does that sound to everyone?
[23:18] <cjohnston> +1
[23:18] <internalkernel> +1
[23:18] <pleia2> +1
[23:19] <akgraner> [ACTION] akgraner to revise UWN template and send link with meeting logs to mailing list
[23:19] <Mootbot-UK> ACTION received:  akgraner to revise UWN template and send link with meeting logs to mailing list
[23:20] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - Rotating Editing Publishers List
[23:20] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - Rotating Editing Publishers List
[23:21] <akgraner> which brings me to the next topic - who wants to learn to publish UWN so no one person is always responsible to getting the final version out
[23:21] <cjohnston> I will
[23:22] <pleia2> I would like to learn the process, but it would be difficult for me to find the time to actually step up and be a regular, rotating editor
[23:22] <zkriesse> oop, Im here now
[23:22] <akgraner> the following *topics* on the agenda sorta fall within this topic for discussion so here is what I was thinking
[23:22] <internalkernel> pleia2:  ditto...
[23:23] <akgraner> 1) revise the steps so they aren't so intimidating at first glance
[23:24] <akgraner> 2) break up the process so various team members can publish/update some of the areas at the same time - ie one person posting to fridge, while someone else is posting to forums, and someone else is sending to mailing list etc
[23:25] <akgraner> so instead of it being step 1, step 2, step 3 etc
[23:25] <pleia2> making it modular does make sense
[23:26] <akgraner> all those steps can be done by different people - then people rotate those areas and by doing this every eventually learns all the steps anyway
[23:26] <akgraner> without it being an overwhelming or all day process for someone
[23:28] <akgraner> also by making it easier for people to contribute, simplify the how, as well as mentioned earlier revise the template to make it easier to edit etc
[23:28] <akgraner> then it should in theory at least, not burn anyone out
[23:28] <akgraner> thoughts?
[23:28] <pleia2> sounds good
[23:29] <cjohnston> sounds good
[23:29] <akgraner> nhandler, ping are you available?
[23:30] <akgraner> nhandler, had listed a couple topics about the team reports for UWN and the reporting process - we'll skip those for now and come back to them if there is time
[23:31] <akgraner> anything else about UWN before we move onto the Fridge topics?
[23:32] <akgraner> [TOPIC] - ubuntu-news.org / Fridge
[23:32] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  - ubuntu-news.org / Fridge
[23:32] <cjohnston> Is it going to be UN?
[23:32] <cjohnston> sorry
[23:32] <akgraner> ahh thanks for the reminder
[23:33] <akgraner> [TOPIC] Proposed UWN name change and publishing schedule
[23:33] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  Proposed UWN name change and publishing schedule
[23:34] <akgraner> so when I talked to jono about me stepping down as Editor in Chief - one of the things we discussed was publishing bi-weekly and changing the name to Ubuntu Newsletter
[23:34] <cjohnston> +1
[23:35] <akgraner> any other thoughts? comments? other ideas?
[23:36] <akgraner> as I am not going to be able to contribute as much this cycle the burden for publishing really falls to you all and the rest of the team - so this was not a decision I wanted to make for everyone
[23:37] <pleia2> seems like a good idea
[23:37] <internalkernel> +1 as well
[23:38] <pleia2> if the number of commited volunteers increases we can go back to it being weekly, but calling it "Ubuntu Weekly News" removes the burden of having to do it weekly
[23:38] <akgraner> nods
[23:38] <pleia2> I think right now we simply don't have a choice, we can't do it weekly with the team we have
[23:39] <akgraner> nods
[23:39] <internalkernel> and theres something to be said about being a bit more picky about content and a larger window makes that available
[23:39] <akgraner> correct as well
[23:40] <akgraner> anything else on UWN before we move back to the fridge topic?
[23:40] <pleia2> (btw: I am working on the natty post for the fridge at the moment)
[23:40] <pleia2> alpha1
[23:40] <akgraner> pleia2, thanks - yep I just posted it for work before the meeting
[23:40] <akgraner> pleia2, thank you!
[23:41] <akgraner> [TOPIC] ubuntu-news.org /fridge
[23:41] <Mootbot-UK> New Topic:  ubuntu-news.org /fridge
[23:42] <akgraner> ok so ubuntu-news.org site code has been reviewed by the Canonical IS team and we have been provided a link to the test site on the Canonical Servers
[23:43] <akgraner> I know myself, pleia2, and nhandler have had the opportunity to *test* the new Fridge on the Canonical server - what other Fridge Editors would like access before we go live with this?
[23:43] <akgraner> also pleia2 and nhandler besides SSO issues is there any other questions or comments that we need to send to IS?
[23:44] <pleia2> I haven't tested actually making a post, I'd like to do so with an image to make sure that's all working ok
[23:44] <akgraner> oh live being what you see on ubuntu-news.org (which is already live and being maintained) becomes fridge.ubuntu.com
[23:45] <akgraner> I hope that makes sense and y'all know what I mean?
[23:46] <akgraner> pleia2, +1 - I was going to test links and stuff this weekend as well
[23:46] <akgraner> pleia2, can I list you in addition to me as a contact for the other fridge editors to contact if they want access to test site?
[23:46] <pleia2> akgraner: yep
[23:47] <akgraner> great thanks!
[23:48] <pleia2> and I should be available more this month, december is my peaceful month :)
[23:48] <akgraner> nhandler has also taken the time to write up a "How to Contribute to the Fridge" document. For some reason I am not finding the link to it but will include it in the logs
[23:49] <pleia2> I think it's still private (unless it was moved to the wiki?)
[23:50] <akgraner> iirc it's ready to be moved over, but I'll double check before posting it publicly
[23:51]  * pleia2 nods
[23:51] <akgraner> so is there any questions, comments, thoughts about the ubuntu-news.org or fridge.ubuntu.com sites?
[23:52] <pleia2> thank you for spending so much time working with canonical to make this happen :)
[23:53] <internalkernel> what pleia2 said, thanks!
[23:53] <akgraner> Most welcome - I learned a lot - about websites, Canonical IS and even myself :-)  So, I know we need some more active Fridge Editors suggestions on how to make this happen?
[23:55] <nhandler> o/
[23:55] <akgraner> right now I think nhandler, pleia2 and highvoltage are the ones contributing - I know there is a process, does the process need revising? Or do the current fridge editors just need to nominate more people?
[23:55] <nhandler> Sorry about being late, I thought the meeting was an hour later for some reason
[23:55] <pleia2> the process has people nominate themselves and then we bring them on board
[23:56] <akgraner> hey nhandler you made it! Yay! (if no one minds staying 15-20 minutes longer we can circle back around to nhandler 's topics.
[23:56] <akgraner> nhandler, daylight savings time seems to have messed up a couple of the meeting times (sorry I thought I had fixed them all)
[23:56] <nhandler> akgraner: No problem. I'll read the backlog and give feedback/comments where appropriate later
[23:57] <akgraner> nhandler, thank you!
[23:57] <nhandler> m/51
[23:57] <cjohnston> Should UN publishers have fridge access?
[23:57] <nhandler> I think that came up a few meetings ago
[23:58] <cjohnston> Well, now that we are going to a rotating publisher model thing
[23:58] <nhandler> I thought we determined that they could definitely go ahead and apply and go through the training process, but it shouldn't just be automatic
[23:58] <cjohnston> ok
[23:58] <pleia2> nhandler: +1
[23:58] <akgraner> nhandler, yep I was going to say that
[23:59] <akgraner> also with the Fridge being a WP site we can give new publisher  - fridge access to only contribute and posts will have to be reviewed before they are posted
[23:59] <nhandler> Yep. FYI, we have an ubuntu account (username: ubuntu pass:ubuntu) that does just that
[23:59] <akgraner> then they can go from contributor, to author, to editor (i think that is the right order)