[00:01] But in general I have been very impressed with the way printing on Linux has progressed in recent years. [00:01] when you right click on a folder you have the option to encrypt... is this safe to do on your entire home folder? [00:02] wouldn't have thought so [00:03] I'm not sure what the option actually does. I have a feeling it just creates a GPG-encrypted file. [00:04] If that's the case, you wouldn't be able to open the file without first GPG-decrypting it. [00:05] Odd, I don't seem to have the encrypt option at all in my context menu. [00:09] do you have the cryptsetup package installed? [00:09] * JamesTait checks. [00:10] I'm sure I used to have that option. [00:10] Yes, yes I do. [00:11] I'm currently on an ecryptfs root + ecryptfs home, so I think it's required for me to even be able to boot. [00:12] Or at least to create a bootable initramfs when I do a kernel upgrade. [00:13] I wanted to encrypt an external drive the other night and I had to install it [00:15] anyway...we still havn't really solved the mystery as to what the encrypt... option does, whether it's safe to do it on your home folder, and why you don't have it [00:15] No, I was going to try it out and see. [00:21] xapel: Is it this option? http://ur1.ca/2hc73 === Craig_Dem_ is now known as Craig_Dem [02:31] [Jono Bacon] You Know What We Need In The Ubuntu Community? - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/02/you-know-what-we-need-in-the-ubuntu-community/ [04:48] :ping [07:43] no school today here [07:44] where's here ? [07:44] morning all [07:44] same here [07:44] Farnborough [07:46] Farnham [07:48] business as usual in Northamptonshire [07:49] anyone views on a newbie trying to test Natty alpha report bugs ? (newbie to testing) [07:52] morning [07:52] * danfish is still very stuck abroad :( [07:55] morning peeps [07:55] lo [07:55] PhilT: what specifically do you need help with? [07:56] I've upgraded my girlfriend's netbook to 10.10 - is there any way to get the 10.04 ui back? [07:56] I know about the 2D option at gdm, but that's not the same (the icons are too big and I have both gnome panels and no tiny window switcher at the top left [07:56] ) [07:57] I know mark (on the podcast) has 10.10 with the 10.04 UI [07:58] popey: don't suppose you can ask him how? [07:58] * kazade is in trouble for upgrading [07:59] http://twitter.com/#!/marxjohnson [07:59] ask him yourself :) [07:59] Popey: I tried the alpha daily build on a netbook to get a look at Unity. Several thinks went wrong with the desktop (elements of it crashing). Next days was worse - most of desktop disappeared. Am I premature ? [08:00] I'm not surprised tbh [08:01] so I should wait and lt more experienced hands get it more in shape, or report bugs now ? [08:01] well i wouldn't say that :) [08:01] if you have the time and motivation to help then I'd suggest getting involved sooner rather than later [08:02] might be worth joining the #ubuntu-testing irc channel [08:02] Hmm. If I can get a working desktop again from which to file bugs I'll have a go ! [08:02] you can file bugs from a non-working desktop too :) [08:02] its just not as easy [08:02] true, but I didn't need the pain of command line wifi to get to that point [08:03] hehe [08:03] also I was a bit challenged on how to report "unity starts up then the desktop falls apart" as a bug ! I made a video instead. [08:04] hello all [08:20] Morning all - from a very snowy GU10. We got dumped on last night... Kids' schools closed. Car under 6" of fresh snow. [08:21] ditto :0 [08:21] I have just been digging for chickens [08:21] Do you have another timelaps recording popey? [08:21] Oh to be a kid again [08:21] Morning peeps :) [08:21] i will do [08:21] i am keeping every pic [08:21] lol [08:22] alan@wopr:~$ du -hs webcam/archive/ [08:22] 2.5G webcam/archive/ [08:22] It's great that storage is so cheap now... I saw eBuyer pimping 2TB drives for £60 the other day. [08:23] Oh my [08:23] lions and tigers and bear....oh my! [08:23] It has started snowing again... [08:24] here to, but i made it to work.... [08:24] I've told my parents that I'd set up an rsync to my house for them. Time to hunt for a relyable external storage solution [08:24] Forecast was for <8" today here too [08:25] TheOpenSourcerer, i've checked the weather forecast for Leeds, 09:00 heavy snow 12:00 heavy snow 15:00 light snow [08:25] Tweet from my boss: OH (son): I love the Prodigy, they've got a song called Smack Your Female Dog Up [08:25] I hope the RAT will be running on Saturday night. Was supposed to be playing Golf tomorrow :P [08:25] http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/weather < me [08:25] i can see it being exactly the same as yesterday, everybody struggles in the work and turns back round within a couple of hours causing gridlock on the roads [08:26] in to work even [08:26] Bit like "spam, spam, spam"... [08:26] Just "snow, snow, snow" [08:27] we have snow every year, and each year we're not prepared and panic about it [08:27] * jacobw grumbles [08:28] jacobw: We didn't used to have snow every year... Three yrs ago was the first for "ages". [08:29] I remember saying to my kids "make the most of this" it doesn't happen every year :-P [08:30] http://www.snowchains.co.uk/main/weisssock.htm [08:30] i saw a volvo with these on yesterday, smart :) [08:32] Cool [08:39] Our MD sent out an email yesterday saying unless it's 6' deep he expects everyone to make it [08:39] Bit of a c*ck tbh [08:40] i'm driving out to a customer 6 miles away, it took me 3 hours to drive back yesterday, i really don't want to repeat that again today :( [08:40] :/ [08:43] morning :) [08:44] <--- LaserJet Cleaning Technician [08:44] diplo: http://newsthump.com/2010/12/01/im-so-important-i-simply-had-to-make-this-journey-insist-stranded-mid-level-executive-pricks/ [08:45] diplo, what a tosser [08:45] AlanBell: great descriptive url [08:46] heh I Liked that [08:47] diplo, what does your company do? [08:48] AlanBell: nice [08:48] Software company in Nottingham [08:49] 90% of staff could work from home [08:49] And local ones could do support calls [08:49] I can't see the issue myself [08:50] we're all working from home too :) [08:51] Blah at working from home [08:51] heh [08:51] Morning [08:51] * popey hugs vpn, ssh and vnc [08:51] smug home workers :p [08:51] almost can't make out the water feature anymore on the webcam [08:51] too much white [08:52] Bah, can't work from home today, got a couple of servers that need to be shipped abroad [08:52] finally snowing properly here [08:52] \o/ [08:52] jacobw: I work from home every day. Nothing smug about it [08:52] bigcalm, i wish i could :D how long have you worked from home? [08:53] bigcalm, i fully agree with working from home [08:53] MooDoo: 16 months [08:53] everbody who can work from home, should do in this day and age [08:53] I miss the social interaction [08:54] * daubers ponders some hot choccy instead of his normal morning cuppa [08:55] * bigcalm watches the snow falling and grrs [08:55] bigcalm, that's pretty much the reason we don't home work here [08:55] * daubers ponders setting up a company jabber server [08:56] irc + mumble [08:57] jacobw: jabber would be compatible with iChat on the macs though [09:24] daubers: ichat does jabber? [09:24] so it does [09:25] Damm shouldn't of tried to get into work [09:25] Its cold her [09:25] e [09:26] popey, I think I managed to get the netbook back to 10.04 stylee [09:27] the only issue is the icons on the "2D" remix are way too big [09:27] :( [09:28] my gf used unity for 2 minutes before she hit a website that wouldn't fit horizontally [09:28] but would if that side bar had autohide [09:29] yay for a broken internet thanks to 960.gs [09:30] uhhh [09:32] why is it that at 3am cron says it can't find the file, but then when i edit crontab to run this morning it reports the output from the script running? [09:32] *can't find the script file [09:33] PATH issues? [09:33] both times it was cron running, and i've set ROOT=/ in crontab [09:34] i'll read up a bit more on that stuff though [09:34] * diplo is getting festive, Xmas tunes on youtube [09:35] I wonder if there are any festive drum & bass tunes out there [09:35] does clownstep count? [09:35] Clownstep? Oh my [09:35] Linky [09:36] bigcalm: just youtube search for it :) [09:36] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPXPwr06eAA [09:36] MartijnVdS: I'm lazt [09:36] lazy [09:36] Ta [09:37] Humm [09:37] Doesn't do anything for me [09:42] krimzon2: cron can be a bit touchy about paths. Does the crontab entry have the full path to the script? [09:43] yeah [09:45] krimzon2: is there something that runs at 02:00 that messes it up, and something else that runs at 04:00 that fixes it? [09:46] hmm... there's only two non-default scripts in crontab, one svn updates repositories and one runs the full backup of everything [09:47] the only difference is the backup drive being mounted in /media/ [09:47] i unplugged it this morning expecting it to have run the backup [09:47] now i'm in work and can't plug it back in [09:48] popey: iChat does xmpp [09:48] it would be most useful to be able to switch off usb sockets individually, then you can turn them back in remotely. [09:49] it would if i could also remotely power on the drive [09:49] screen-x: firewall rules for USB :) [09:49] i suppose that's doable with a serial interface [09:50] ok, is anyone's empathy broken this morning? [09:50] screen-x: Can't you just use some form of udev rule? [09:50] I can't send any messages [09:50] daubers: yeah, to prevent whatever is plugged in from being used, but that isn't the same as switching off the port. [09:50] oh wait, it looks like it's just msn [09:50] daubers: so that bus powered stuff is powered down [09:51] SuperBoy: i've had certificate problems with MSN in pidgin the past week or so [09:51] Hmmm... shame IPMI doesn't let you do that really [09:51] * bigcalm doesn't care any more [09:51] Does that mean my empathy is broken? [09:52] krimzon2: I don't think it's certificates. I just can't start a chat with anyone on msn [09:52] msn is broken [09:52] very [09:52] SuperBoy: I'm surprised there is anyone left to talk to on msn.. [09:53] there are a few, but I think most of the people I speak to are on google these days [09:53] or on irc [09:53] or facebook [09:53] screen-x: At least MSN conversations can be compressed easily, I mean 90% of the traffic must just be people saying "OMG WTF LOLZ" [09:53] (g) [09:57] any suggestions for last.fm artists/tags to listen to this morning? [09:57] what are you in to? [09:57] Drum & bass [09:58] screen-x: Akufen (artist) [09:58] I would certainly suggest some trans-siberian orchestra [09:58] I'm listening to whatever http://www.di.fm/ has to offer [09:58] Thanks :) [10:01] wow, the new flash 10.2 is a bit good [10:01] full screen anyway [10:02] And Drupal wizards in here? [10:02] I hope I'm not off-topic here but I've had a lot of problems with Cron in the past. I now use Fcron. I think it's superb. [10:03] DaisyTheCow: seems pretty on topic to me... [10:07] How do I redirect connect stderr to a pipe? blah >outfile 2>|less doesn't work [10:07] screen-x: let me tell you a storry :) [10:07] story* [10:08] * screen-x sits and listens intently [10:08] * krimzon2 googles fcron [10:08] screen-x: man bash, /^REDIRECTION [10:08] screen-x: it has a list of examples [10:10] http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html also has some nice bits [10:11] MartijnVdS: Just read the section in the bash man page, and couldn't see anything about creating pipelines from other outputs (ie not stdout) [10:11] screen-x: you have to do it in a special roundabout way :) [10:11] screen-x: look for "Redirecting only stderr to a pipe" on the tldp.org link [10:11] it has a fully-commented working example [10:12] I see... [10:13] I think my made up syntax is better :p [10:13] Thans MartijnVdS [10:16] made it to work [10:17] Yay! czajkowski - was following your journey on twitter. [10:20] ... so evince has two options for rotation of pages. "rotate left" and "rotate clockwise" [10:20] AlanBell: ping [10:20] gord: nice :) [10:20] o/ [10:20] AlanBell: /msg? [10:20] sure [10:21] no school today MichealH? [10:21] Were colosed today [10:21] Its hily likley I will be off tommorow [10:21] Thats good, I need to catch up on some things [10:23] gord: in the source? or is that some kind of broken, partial en_GB translation? :o [10:23] Ng, i would assume its a translation thing [10:23] this *is* in natty though [10:24] * Ng hands gord all the bugs [10:24] i can only assume someone was changing rotate anti-clockwise/clockwise to left/right and somehow died before doing them both [10:24] haha [10:25] when translating in launchpad it sometimes suggests similar translations from other projects - I'm wondering if it remembers that linkage and someone half-linked the rotations, and the other project changed the wording, so LP updated it in evince's translation, but because only half of it was linked... [10:26] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/evince/+pots/evince/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=rotate [10:26] So "Rotate Anticlockwise" ? or "Rotate Right" ? [10:27] (e.g. swap the Left -> Anticlockwise, or Clockwise -> Right) [10:27] I'd be tempted to say left/right is better than jargon/antijargon [10:27] clockwise is not jargon. [10:28] Darael: it makes you think though [10:28] can't have that [10:29] left/right depends on whether your head is above or below the image on the monitor [10:29] also, what about left-to-right languages [10:30] do clocks turn the same way there? [10:30] MartijnVdS: this is specifically an en_GB translation [10:30] krimzon2: what? :) [10:30] Yes, they do, I believe. [10:30] Ng: what about the en_GB muslims and jews?! 8-) [10:30] actually no, if your above the monitor and you say to rotate right, it still does the same thing, it all makes sense [10:30] "Rotate port", "Rotate starboard" [10:31] make it left/right, there is no reason to use clockwise/anticlockwise [10:31] top-left-to-top-right, top-right-to-rop-left [10:31] gord: port/starboard is nice though [10:31] MartijnVdS: I'm not really sure what religion has to do with english. If multi-lingual people in this country are reading all their english RTL they're going to be pretty confused [10:32] TheOpenSourcerer: rivermead is rather pretty [10:32] "righty tighty" - "lefty loosey" [10:32] shame I've to leave by 1 to get to london for 3 today [10:32] Ng: good point, but they might be more likely to mix languages :) [10:32] MartijnVdS: and ubuntu is perfect for them because it's so trivial to switch it between translations/orientations! [10:33] I'm in favour of clockwise/anticlockwise - don't see that it makes people have to think. And right/left makes an assumption that people think of the direction the top is moving... mostly that might be reasonable, but why make that assumption when there are entirely unambiguous words available that everyone still knows? [10:35] but who uses analog clocks these days?! [10:35] I do [10:35] I'm wearing a wrist watch right now [10:35] it's far more convinent that pulling my phone out when I want to know the time [10:36] which also means I don't advertise to pickpockets where my phone is [10:36] They have digital wrist watches now [10:36] only just now [10:36] also, I get complimented on having a watch. I pull up my sleve and the girls swoon [10:37] "Nice watch" they say [10:37] "Thanks," I reply [10:37] then we make out [10:37] SuperBoy: I don't need a watch for that.. I just wink :) [10:38] Nice: Francis Maude: "days of mega IT contracts over.. need to rethink.. smaller, off-the-shelf & #opensource where possible"http://is.gd/i5t1F [10:38] as Douglas Adams said, the human race is so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea [10:40] Well quoted, that man. [10:41] I think analgue watches are the peak of human engineering. The design of the clockwork internals has barely changed in centuries [10:41] Mrs TheOpenSourcerer just taken the kids off for some serious sledging.. She said "if you earn some money you can go to the pub later". [10:41] Anyone want me to sing to them for a fiver ;-D [10:43] SuperBoy: that makes no sense :) [10:44] i think cups are the peak of human engineering, the design of cups has barely changed in centuries [10:44] also, they hold coffee [10:44] But wasn't cups written by apple? Can't be that old.. [10:44] Ng: It made perfect sense to me. My Rolex worked wonders :-D [10:44] ooh. bbc-worldwide are trying to launch iplayer on a paid subscription model. good news for anyone who's -exuk [10:45] you can download bbc-america stuff on the american playstation network these days, nice to see the bbc trying to make their own money [10:45] shauno: \o/ freesat being watchable in .nl ;) [10:45] I've not found a landlord here that's happy with the idea of stapling a dish to the wall :( [10:46] shauno: Screws or bolts are probably preferable [10:46] screen-x: no [10:46] because i have scrollback on my irc client, notify osd tells me what people said a week ago for at least five minutes every time i log in :( [10:46] screen-x: cups was bought by apple, not written by [10:47] handy they use it though, means we can often rip drivers from macs for linux ;) [10:47] "CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by Apple Inc. for Mac OS® X and other UNIX®-like operating systems." [10:47] liars [10:47] gord: happy 3rd december [10:47] gord: happy 4th december [10:47] ;) [10:47] Ng, too much activity in here :P [10:47] even a stale notification is right once a year [10:47] screen-x: Apple often say then developed Objective-C too [10:48] it's not a lie, it just omits some history. it's currently developed by apple [10:48] screen-x: you can develop something without creating it [10:48] "currently developed by", would be more accurate then.. [10:49] they also 'bought' the guy that wrote it pre-apple, which probably makes it a bit murky [10:49] * diplo reminds self to make sure all commits are done on one OS before changing to the other [10:49] :/ [10:52] screen-x: there's more to life than accuracy :) [10:52] OK.. Maybe I was a bit quick to pronounce them liars. [10:58] bah, may as well late the hate continue. looks like they're launching iplayer-worldwide on ipad, then rolling out to the rest of us later [11:01] nice to see the bbc pushing ahead with monetisation via attractive new platforms [11:02] it's a step in the right direction. but means I'll be sticking to my vpn for a while longer. unless there's a 42" ipad I haven't noticed yet [11:05] it makes sense as a starting point - predicable hardware platform, rich users, built-in payment systems and little user access to procured content so DRM is less of a requirement ;) [11:11] Ng: ello :) [11:13] howdy [11:15] Ng: I hear you're going doing some scripting magic soon :) [11:17] czajkowski: indeed [11:17] this makes me rather happy :D [11:24] god dam snow and big companies... [11:25] Wish they would understand, a citeron saxo is not getting out of our village [11:25] I struggled in my freelander [11:25] [11:27] Everything is covered in #FFFFFF [11:27] heh [11:27] TheOpenSourcerer: turn down the brightness, and increase the contrast [11:39] hi all [11:39] Grrrrrrr [11:42] so i gave Vendetta a go yesterday, it's pretty good [11:45] it's like a more up to date version of freelancer [11:45] was going to try it today, but I wasn't snowed in :( [11:45] :( [11:45] Is it 8 hours game time free? [11:45] so they say [11:46] ive only done 3.5 hours ish so far [11:46] i havent had the joy of being snowed in yet as i had a week off [11:47] i really enjoyed EvE and played for 2 years i just cant justify the £14 per month anymore [11:47] so vendetta came along at the right time :) [11:50] i thought eve online was one of those crazy games that has an economy where if your good enough at the game, you can actually get your in-game loot to pay for your subscription [11:50] that's true [11:51] it's not even hard [11:51] but if you want to pvp you basically have to sink a load of cash into the game to afford motherships etc [11:52] (and that's where the free game time for everyone else comes from) [11:52] honestly, its all too crazy for me [11:52] someting like that ;0 [11:53] I've heard it described as "spreadsheets in space" which seemed quite amusing [11:53] that is also true [11:53] there was a guy from Australia who managed to get enough in game cash to convert to real money and pay his deposit on a house [11:53] ali1234: pvp? [11:54] player vs player? [11:54] player vs player [11:54] payer vs payer [11:54] yes, that is apt [11:54] lol [11:54] heh [11:55] honestly, to me, seems like transport tycoon in space with lasers [11:55] and you spend your real money on trade routes [11:55] which is terrifying [11:55] the only people who put in real money are the people who exclusively pvp [11:55] Koreans? [11:56] gord: mmm, lasert [11:56] rich people you mean [11:56] -t+s [11:56] chinese farmers are rife [11:56] I hear you can buy farming services for a lot of the MMO games [11:56] very true [11:56] best way from waterloo to get to canoincal office is ........... ? [11:56] walk? [11:56] Walk [11:57] train to vauxhall [11:57] czajkowski: follow the protesting students [11:57] Students are revolting! [11:57] screen-x: no they were there monday! [11:57] popey: I know right [11:57] i just get off the underground at oxford road and walk [11:57] Walk passed the eye, over Westminster Bridge, turn left. About 15-20m [11:57] the eye is the ugly eye sore right ? [11:57] wut! [11:57] Bloody foreigners [11:57] czajkowski, head towards big ben :) then follow the road along the river [11:57] czajkowski: the eye: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/4935598654/ [11:58] yes eye sore [11:58] ok [11:58] it really is [11:58] lets hope the trains are working better than they were this morning [11:59] czajkowski: best way> 507 bus to Millbank. [11:59] czajkowski: tfl suggest the quickest route is the 507 bus from stop W at waterloo, crosses the river at horseferry road which is very close to millbank tower [11:59] Ask a local. [11:59] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCM6XzDoLXY [11:59] if the underground was broken i would just cry in the middle of london and never get anywhere [12:00] (as the bus crosses the river, look left and you'll see the tower, then ring the bell and get off at the first stop after the river :) [12:01] * Ng ^5 jpds [12:01] Get to about 1:30 in the video [12:01] *grin* [12:01] thanks folks [12:01] * jpds returns Ng's ⁵. [12:01] if anyone is in ther today shall wave hi @ 3 [12:25] popey: soooo CUTE [12:26] LOL [12:30] :) [12:31] Hah popey - She's defo got your eyes ;-) [12:31] :) [12:31] he has my mouth [12:31] the taxis are closed here [12:32] czajkowski: Just saw this on Twitter: [12:32] The entire board at Waterloo is set to delay in case your wondering and are heading that way to get a train out [12:32] Got on a SWT service from Surbiton at 10:15 ... it's now 12:15 and I am still sitting on it outside Waterloo [12:32] dear BCS kindly reply to mail asking oif event is going on! *grrrr* [12:32] TheOpenSourcerer: oh feck [12:34] * popey has sorted the kids out [12:34] http://twitpic.com/3c65e2 [12:34] :) [12:35] awww [12:35] popey: ipad? [12:35] I'm pondering some form of tablet for the sittingroom [12:35] ponder no more! [12:35] :) [12:36] I don't really want an iSheep though [12:36] TheOpenSourcerer, that guys a nutter [12:36] Possibly something with Android on it [12:37] I would have got an android tablet if I thought there was one that was a viable option [12:39] My son has pre-ordered the new Archos 43 instead of an iPod Touch. he understands freedom is more important than bling. [12:40] does he exercise that freedom? [12:41]