[00:01] <JamesTait> But in general I have been very impressed with the way printing on Linux has progressed in recent years.
[00:01] <xapel> when you right click on a folder you have the option to encrypt... is this safe to do on your entire home folder?
[00:02] <dutchie> wouldn't have thought so
[00:03] <JamesTait> I'm not sure what the option actually does. I have a feeling it just creates a GPG-encrypted file.
[00:04] <JamesTait> If that's the case, you wouldn't be able to open the file without first GPG-decrypting it.
[00:05] <JamesTait> Odd, I don't seem to have the encrypt option at all in my context menu.
[00:09] <xapel> do you have the cryptsetup package installed?
[00:09]  * JamesTait checks.
[00:10] <JamesTait> I'm sure I used to have that option.
[00:10] <JamesTait> Yes, yes I do.
[00:11] <JamesTait> I'm currently on an ecryptfs root + ecryptfs home, so I think it's required for me to even be able to boot.
[00:12] <JamesTait> Or at least to create a bootable initramfs when I do a kernel upgrade.
[00:13] <xapel> I wanted to encrypt an external drive the other night and I had to install it
[00:15] <xapel> anyway...we still havn't really solved the mystery as to what the encrypt... option does, whether it's safe to do it on your home folder, and why you don't have it
[00:15] <JamesTait> No, I was going to try it out and see.
[00:21] <JamesTait> xapel: Is it this option? http://ur1.ca/2hc73
[02:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] You Know What We Need In The Ubuntu Community? - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/02/you-know-what-we-need-in-the-ubuntu-community/
[04:48] <Billy_D_Kidd> :ping
[07:43] <AlanBell> no school today here
[07:44] <PhilT> where's here ?
[07:44] <popey> morning all
[07:44] <popey> same here
[07:44] <popey> Farnborough
[07:46] <AlanBell> Farnham
[07:48] <PhilT> business as usual in Northamptonshire
[07:49] <PhilT> anyone views on a newbie trying to test Natty alpha  report bugs ? (newbie to testing)
[07:52] <danfish> morning
[07:52]  * danfish is still very stuck abroad :(
[07:55] <kazade> morning peeps
[07:55] <popey> lo
[07:55] <popey> PhilT: what specifically do you need help with?
[07:56] <kazade> I've upgraded my girlfriend's netbook to 10.10 - is there any way to get the 10.04 ui back?
[07:56] <kazade> I know about the 2D option at gdm, but that's not the same (the icons are too big and I have both gnome panels and no tiny window switcher at the top left
[07:56] <kazade> )
[07:57] <popey> I know mark (on the podcast) has 10.10 with the 10.04 UI
[07:58] <kazade> popey: don't suppose you can ask him how?
[07:58]  * kazade is in trouble for upgrading
[07:59] <popey> http://twitter.com/#!/marxjohnson
[07:59] <popey> ask him yourself :)
[07:59] <PhilT> Popey: I tried the alpha daily build on a netbook to get a look at Unity. Several thinks went wrong with the desktop (elements of it crashing). Next days was worse - most of desktop disappeared. Am I premature ?
[08:00] <popey> I'm not surprised tbh
[08:01] <PhilT> so I should wait and lt more experienced hands get it more in shape, or report bugs now ?
[08:01] <popey> well i wouldn't say that :)
[08:01] <popey> if you have the time and motivation to help then I'd suggest getting involved sooner rather than later
[08:02] <popey> might be worth joining the #ubuntu-testing irc channel
[08:02] <PhilT> Hmm. If I can get a working desktop again from which to file bugs I'll have a go !
[08:02] <popey> you can file bugs from a non-working desktop too :)
[08:02] <popey> its just not as easy
[08:02] <PhilT> true, but I didn't need the pain of command line wifi to get to that point
[08:03] <popey> hehe
[08:03] <PhilT> also I was a bit challenged on how to report "unity starts up then the desktop falls apart" as a bug ! I made a video instead.
[08:04] <MooDoo> hello all
[08:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning all - from a very snowy GU10. We got dumped on last night... Kids' schools closed. Car under 6" of fresh snow.
[08:21] <popey> ditto :0
[08:21] <AlanBell> I have just been digging for chickens
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> Do you have another timelaps recording popey?
[08:21] <bigcalm> Oh to be a kid again
[08:21] <bigcalm> Morning peeps :)
[08:21] <popey> i will do
[08:21] <popey> i am keeping every pic
[08:21] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:22] <popey> alan@wopr:~$ du -hs webcam/archive/
[08:22] <popey> 2.5G	webcam/archive/
[08:22] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's great that storage is so cheap now... I saw eBuyer pimping 2TB drives for £60 the other day.
[08:23] <bigcalm> Oh my
[08:23] <MooDoo> lions and tigers and bear....oh my!
[08:23] <TheOpenSourcerer> It has started snowing again...
[08:24] <MooDoo> here to, but i made it to work....
[08:24] <bigcalm> I've told my parents that I'd set up an rsync to my house for them. Time to hunt for a relyable external storage solution
[08:24] <TheOpenSourcerer> Forecast was for <8" today here too
[08:25] <jacobw> TheOpenSourcerer, i've checked the weather forecast for Leeds, 09:00 heavy snow 12:00 heavy snow 15:00 light snow
[08:25] <bigcalm> Tweet from my boss: OH (son): I love the Prodigy, they've got a song called Smack Your Female Dog Up
[08:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> I hope the RAT will be running on Saturday night. Was supposed to be playing Golf tomorrow :P
[08:25] <MooDoo> http://www.thisisnottingham.co.uk/weather < me
[08:25] <jacobw> i can see it being exactly the same as yesterday, everybody struggles in the work and turns back round within a couple of hours causing gridlock on the roads
[08:26] <jacobw> in to work even
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bit like "spam, spam, spam"...
[08:26] <TheOpenSourcerer> Just "snow, snow, snow"
[08:27] <jacobw> we have snow every year, and each year we're not prepared and panic about it
[08:27]  * jacobw grumbles
[08:28] <TheOpenSourcerer> jacobw: We didn't used to have snow every year... Three yrs ago was the first for "ages".
[08:29] <TheOpenSourcerer> I remember saying to my kids "make the most of this" it doesn't happen every year :-P
[08:30] <jacobw> http://www.snowchains.co.uk/main/weisssock.htm
[08:30] <jacobw> i saw a volvo with these on yesterday, smart :)
[08:32] <bigcalm> Cool
[08:39] <diplo> Our MD sent out an email yesterday saying unless it's 6' deep he expects everyone to make it
[08:39] <diplo> Bit of a c*ck tbh
[08:40] <jacobw> i'm driving out to a customer 6 miles away, it took me 3 hours to drive back yesterday, i really don't want to repeat that again today :(
[08:40] <diplo> :/
[08:43] <screen-x> morning :)
[08:44] <screen-x> <--- LaserJet Cleaning Technician
[08:44] <AlanBell> diplo: http://newsthump.com/2010/12/01/im-so-important-i-simply-had-to-make-this-journey-insist-stranded-mid-level-executive-pricks/
[08:45] <MooDoo> diplo, what a tosser
[08:45] <screen-x> AlanBell: great descriptive url
[08:46] <diplo> heh I Liked that
[08:47] <MooDoo> diplo, what does your company do?
[08:48] <maco> AlanBell: nice
[08:48] <diplo> Software company in Nottingham
[08:49] <diplo> 90% of staff could work from home
[08:49] <diplo> And local ones could do support calls
[08:49] <diplo> I can't see the issue myself
[08:50] <popey> we're all working from home too :)
[08:51] <bigcalm> Blah at working from home
[08:51] <popey> heh
[08:51] <daubers> Morning
[08:51]  * popey hugs vpn, ssh and vnc
[08:51] <jacobw> smug home workers :p
[08:51] <popey> almost can't make out the water feature anymore on the webcam
[08:51] <popey> too much white
[08:52] <daubers> Bah, can't work from home today, got a couple of servers that need to be shipped abroad
[08:52] <dutchie> finally snowing properly here
[08:52] <dutchie> \o/
[08:52] <bigcalm> jacobw: I work from home every day. Nothing smug about it
[08:52] <MooDoo> bigcalm, i wish i could :D   how long have you worked from home?
[08:53] <jacobw> bigcalm, i fully agree with working from home
[08:53] <bigcalm> MooDoo: 16 months
[08:53] <jacobw> everbody who can work from home, should do in this day and age
[08:53] <bigcalm> I miss the social interaction
[08:54]  * daubers ponders some hot choccy instead of his normal morning cuppa
[08:55]  * bigcalm watches the snow falling and grrs
[08:55] <MooDoo> bigcalm, that's pretty much the reason we don't home work here
[08:55]  * daubers ponders setting up a company jabber server
[08:56] <jacobw> irc + mumble
[08:57] <daubers> jacobw: jabber would be compatible with iChat on the macs though
[09:24] <popey> daubers: ichat does jabber?
[09:24] <popey> so it does
[09:25] <nperry> Damm shouldn't of tried to get into work
[09:25] <nperry> Its cold her
[09:25] <nperry> e
[09:26] <kazade> popey, I think I managed to get the netbook back to 10.04 stylee
[09:27] <kazade> the only issue is the icons on the "2D" remix are way too big
[09:27] <popey> :(
[09:28] <kazade> my gf used unity for 2 minutes before she hit a website that wouldn't fit horizontally
[09:28] <kazade> but would if that side bar had autohide
[09:29] <AlanBell> yay for a broken internet thanks to 960.gs
[09:30] <popey> uhhh
[09:32] <krimzon2> why is it that at 3am cron says it can't find the file, but then when i edit crontab to run this morning it reports the output from the script running?
[09:32] <krimzon2> *can't find the script file
[09:33] <Ng> PATH issues?
[09:33] <krimzon2> both times it was cron running, and i've set ROOT=/ in crontab
[09:34] <krimzon2> i'll read up a bit more on that stuff though
[09:34]  * diplo is getting festive, Xmas tunes on youtube
[09:35] <bigcalm> I wonder if there are any festive drum & bass tunes out there
[09:35] <MartijnVdS> does clownstep count?
[09:35] <bigcalm> Clownstep? Oh my
[09:35] <bigcalm> Linky
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: just youtube search for it :)
[09:36] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPXPwr06eAA
[09:36] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: I'm lazt
[09:36] <bigcalm> lazy
[09:36] <bigcalm> Ta
[09:37] <bigcalm> Humm
[09:37] <bigcalm> Doesn't do anything for me
[09:42] <TheOpenSourcerer> krimzon2: cron can be a bit touchy about paths. Does the crontab entry have the full path to the script?
[09:43] <krimzon2> yeah
[09:45] <screen-x> krimzon2: is there something that runs at 02:00 that messes it up, and something else that runs at 04:00 that fixes it?
[09:46] <krimzon2> hmm... there's only two non-default scripts in crontab, one svn updates repositories and one runs the full backup of everything
[09:47] <krimzon2> the only difference is the backup drive being mounted in /media/
[09:47] <krimzon2> i unplugged it this morning expecting it to have run the backup
[09:47] <krimzon2> now i'm in work and can't plug it back in
[09:48] <daubers> popey: iChat does xmpp
[09:48] <screen-x> it would be most useful to be able to switch off usb sockets individually, then you can turn them back in remotely.
[09:49] <krimzon2> it would if i could also remotely power on the drive
[09:49] <daubers> screen-x: firewall rules for USB :)
[09:49] <krimzon2> i suppose that's doable with a serial interface
[09:50] <SuperBoy> ok, is anyone's empathy broken this morning?
[09:50] <daubers> screen-x: Can't you just use some form of udev rule?
[09:50] <SuperBoy> I can't send any messages
[09:50] <screen-x> daubers: yeah, to prevent whatever is plugged in from being used, but that isn't the same as switching off the port.
[09:50] <SuperBoy> oh wait, it looks like it's just msn
[09:50] <screen-x> daubers: so that bus powered stuff is powered down
[09:51] <krimzon2> SuperBoy: i've had certificate problems with MSN in pidgin the past week or so
[09:51] <daubers> Hmmm... shame IPMI doesn't let you do that really
[09:51]  * bigcalm doesn't care any more
[09:51] <bigcalm> Does that mean my empathy is broken?
[09:52] <SuperBoy> krimzon2: I don't think it's certificates. I just can't start a chat with anyone on msn
[09:52] <krimzon2> msn is broken
[09:52] <SuperBoy> very
[09:52] <screen-x> SuperBoy: I'm surprised there is anyone left to talk to on msn..
[09:53] <SuperBoy> there are a few, but I think most of the people I speak to are on google these days
[09:53] <SuperBoy> or on irc
[09:53] <SuperBoy> or facebook
[09:53] <daubers> screen-x: At least MSN conversations can be compressed easily, I mean 90% of the traffic must just be people saying "OMG WTF LOLZ"
[09:53] <screen-x> (g)
[09:57] <screen-x> any suggestions for last.fm artists/tags to listen to this morning?
[09:57] <SuperBoy> what are you in to?
[09:57] <bigcalm> Drum & bass
[09:58] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: Akufen (artist)
[09:58] <SuperBoy> I would certainly suggest some trans-siberian orchestra
[09:58] <bigcalm> I'm listening to whatever http://www.di.fm/ has to offer
[09:58] <screen-x> Thanks :)
[10:01] <popey> wow, the new flash 10.2 is a bit good
[10:01] <popey> full screen anyway
[10:02] <bigcalm> And Drupal wizards in here?
[10:02] <DaisyTheCow> I hope I'm not off-topic here but I've had a lot of problems with Cron in the past.  I now use Fcron.  I think it's superb.
[10:03] <screen-x> DaisyTheCow: seems pretty on topic to me...
[10:07] <screen-x> How do I redirect connect stderr to a pipe? blah >outfile 2>|less doesn't work
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: let me tell you a storry :)
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> story*
[10:08]  * screen-x sits and listens intently
[10:08]  * krimzon2 googles fcron
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: man bash, /^REDIRECTION
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: it has a list of examples
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html also has some nice bits
[10:11] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: Just read the section in the bash man page, and couldn't see anything about creating pipelines from other outputs (ie not stdout)
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: you have to do it in a special roundabout way :)
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: look for "Redirecting only stderr to a pipe" on the tldp.org link
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> it has a fully-commented working example
[10:12] <screen-x> I see...
[10:13] <screen-x> I think my made up syntax is better :p
[10:13] <screen-x> Thans MartijnVdS
[10:16] <czajkowski> made it to work
[10:17] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yay! czajkowski - was following your journey on twitter.
[10:20] <gord> ... so evince has two options for rotation of pages. "rotate left" and "rotate clockwise"
[10:20] <MichealH> AlanBell: ping
[10:20] <MartijnVdS> gord: nice :)
[10:20] <AlanBell> o/
[10:20] <MichealH> AlanBell: /msg?
[10:20] <AlanBell> sure
[10:21] <AlanBell> no school today MichealH?
[10:21] <MichealH> Were colosed today
[10:21] <MichealH> Its hily likley I will be off tommorow
[10:21] <MichealH> Thats good, I need to catch up on some things
[10:23] <Ng> gord: in the source? or is that some kind of broken, partial en_GB translation? :o
[10:23] <gord> Ng, i would assume its a translation thing
[10:23] <gord> this *is* in natty though
[10:24]  * Ng hands gord all the bugs
[10:24] <gord> i can only assume someone was changing rotate anti-clockwise/clockwise to left/right and somehow died before doing them both
[10:24] <Ng> haha
[10:25] <Ng> when translating in launchpad it sometimes suggests similar translations from other projects - I'm wondering if it remembers that linkage and someone half-linked the rotations, and the other project changed the wording, so LP updated it in evince's translation, but because only half of it was linked...
[10:26] <kazade> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/maverick/+source/evince/+pots/evince/en_GB/+translate?batch=10&show=all&search=rotate
[10:26] <kazade> So "Rotate Anticlockwise" ? or "Rotate Right" ?
[10:27] <kazade> (e.g. swap the Left -> Anticlockwise, or Clockwise -> Right)
[10:27] <Ng> I'd be tempted to say left/right is better than jargon/antijargon
[10:27] <Darael> clockwise is not jargon.
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> Darael: it makes you think though
[10:28] <MartijnVdS> can't have that
[10:29] <krimzon2> left/right depends on whether your head is above or below the image on the monitor
[10:29] <MartijnVdS> also, what about left-to-right languages
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> do clocks turn the same way there?
[10:30] <Ng> MartijnVdS: this is specifically an en_GB translation
[10:30] <Ng> krimzon2: what? :)
[10:30] <Darael> Yes, they do, I believe.
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> Ng: what about the en_GB muslims and jews?! 8-)
[10:30] <gord> actually no, if your above the monitor and you say to rotate right, it still does the same thing, it all makes sense
[10:30] <MartijnVdS> "Rotate port", "Rotate starboard"
[10:31] <gord> make it left/right, there is no reason to use clockwise/anticlockwise
[10:31] <krimzon2> top-left-to-top-right, top-right-to-rop-left
[10:31] <MartijnVdS> gord: port/starboard is nice though
[10:31] <Ng> MartijnVdS: I'm not really sure what religion has to do with english. If multi-lingual people in this country are reading all their english RTL they're going to be pretty confused
[10:32] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: rivermead is rather pretty
[10:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> "righty tighty" - "lefty loosey"
[10:32] <czajkowski> shame I've to leave by 1 to get to london for 3 today
[10:32] <MartijnVdS> Ng: good point, but they might be more likely to mix languages :)
[10:32] <Ng> MartijnVdS: and ubuntu is perfect for them because it's so trivial to switch it between translations/orientations!
[10:33] <Darael> I'm in favour of clockwise/anticlockwise - don't see that it makes people have to think.  And right/left makes an assumption that people think of the direction the top is moving... mostly that might be reasonable, but why make that assumption when there are entirely unambiguous words available that everyone still knows?
[10:35] <MartijnVdS> but who uses analog clocks these days?!
[10:35] <SuperBoy> I do
[10:35] <SuperBoy> I'm wearing a wrist watch right now
[10:35] <SuperBoy> it's far more convinent that pulling my phone out when I want to know the time
[10:36] <SuperBoy> which also means I don't advertise to pickpockets where my phone is
[10:36] <MartijnVdS> They have digital wrist watches now
[10:36] <popey> only just now
[10:36] <SuperBoy> also, I get complimented on having a watch. I pull up my sleve and the girls swoon
[10:37] <SuperBoy> "Nice watch" they say
[10:37] <SuperBoy> "Thanks," I reply
[10:37] <SuperBoy> then we make out
[10:37] <MartijnVdS> SuperBoy: I don't need a watch for that.. I just wink :)
[10:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nice: Francis Maude: "days of mega IT contracts over.. need to rethink.. smaller, off-the-shelf & #opensource where possible"http://is.gd/i5t1F
[10:38] <AlanBell> as Douglas Adams said, the human race is so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea
[10:40] <Darael> Well quoted, that man.
[10:41] <SuperBoy> I think analgue watches are the peak of human engineering. The design of the clockwork internals has barely changed in centuries
[10:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Mrs TheOpenSourcerer just taken the kids off for some serious sledging.. She said "if you earn some money you can go to the pub later".
[10:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone want me to sing to them for a fiver ;-D
[10:43] <Ng> SuperBoy: that makes no sense :)
[10:44] <gord> i think cups are the peak of human engineering, the design of cups has barely changed in centuries
[10:44] <gord> also, they hold coffee
[10:44] <screen-x> But wasn't cups written by apple? Can't be that old..
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Ng: It made perfect sense to me. My Rolex worked wonders :-D
[10:44] <shauno> ooh. bbc-worldwide are trying to launch iplayer on a paid subscription model.  good news for anyone who's -exuk
[10:45] <gord> you can download bbc-america stuff on the american playstation network these days, nice to see the bbc trying to make their own money
[10:45] <MartijnVdS> shauno: \o/ freesat being watchable in .nl ;)
[10:45] <shauno> I've not found a landlord here that's happy with the idea of stapling a dish to the wall :(
[10:46] <daubers> shauno: Screws or bolts are probably preferable
[10:46] <popey> screen-x: no
[10:46] <gord> because i have scrollback on my irc client, notify osd tells me what people said a week ago for at least five minutes every time i log in :(
[10:46] <popey> screen-x: cups was bought by apple, not written by
[10:47] <popey> handy they use it though, means we can often rip drivers from macs for linux ;)
[10:47] <screen-x> "CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by Apple Inc. for Mac OS® X and other UNIX®-like operating systems."
[10:47] <screen-x> liars
[10:47] <Ng> gord: happy 3rd december
[10:47] <Ng> gord: happy 4th december
[10:47] <Ng> ;)
[10:47] <gord> Ng, too much activity in here :P
[10:47] <Ng> even a stale notification is right once a year
[10:47] <daubers> screen-x: Apple often say then developed Objective-C too
[10:48] <shauno> it's not a lie, it just omits some history.  it's currently developed by apple
[10:48] <Ng> screen-x: you can develop something without creating it
[10:48] <screen-x> "currently developed by", would be more accurate then..
[10:49] <shauno> they also 'bought' the guy that wrote it pre-apple, which probably makes it a bit murky
[10:49]  * diplo reminds self to make sure all commits are done on one OS before changing to the other
[10:49] <diplo> :/
[10:52] <Ng> screen-x: there's more to life than accuracy :)
[10:52] <screen-x> OK.. Maybe I was a bit quick to pronounce them liars.
[10:58] <shauno> bah, may as well late the hate continue.  looks like they're launching iplayer-worldwide on ipad, then rolling out to the rest of us later
[11:01] <Ng> nice to see the bbc pushing ahead with monetisation via attractive new platforms
[11:02] <shauno> it's a step in the right direction.  but means I'll be sticking to my vpn for a while longer.  unless there's a 42" ipad I haven't noticed yet
[11:05] <Ng> it makes sense as a starting point - predicable hardware platform, rich users, built-in payment systems and little user access to procured content so DRM is less of a requirement ;)
[11:11] <czajkowski> Ng: ello :)
[11:13] <Ng> howdy
[11:15] <czajkowski> Ng: I hear you're going doing some scripting magic soon :)
[11:17] <Ng> czajkowski: indeed
[11:17] <czajkowski> this makes me rather happy :D
[11:24] <nperry> god dam snow and big companies...
[11:25] <nperry> Wish they would understand, a citeron saxo is not getting out of our village
[11:25] <nperry> I struggled in my freelander
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[11:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> Everything is covered in #FFFFFF
[11:27] <screen-x> heh
[11:27] <screen-x> TheOpenSourcerer: turn down the brightness, and increase the contrast
[11:39] <finelytuned> hi all
[11:39] <bigcalm> Grrrrrrr
[11:42] <finelytuned> so i gave Vendetta a go yesterday, it's pretty good
[11:45] <finelytuned> it's like a more up to date version of freelancer
[11:45] <nperry> was going to try it today, but I wasn't snowed in :(
[11:45] <finelytuned> :(
[11:45] <nperry> Is it 8 hours game time free?
[11:45] <finelytuned> so they say
[11:46] <finelytuned> ive only done 3.5 hours ish so far
[11:46] <finelytuned> i havent had the joy of being snowed in yet as i had a week off
[11:47] <finelytuned> i really enjoyed EvE and played for 2 years i just cant justify the £14 per month anymore
[11:47] <finelytuned> so vendetta came along at the right time :)
[11:50] <gord> i thought eve online was one of those crazy games that has an economy where if your good enough at the game, you can actually get your in-game loot to pay for your subscription
[11:50] <ali1234> that's true
[11:51] <ali1234> it's not even hard
[11:51] <ali1234> but if you want to pvp you basically have to sink a load of cash into the game to afford motherships etc
[11:52] <ali1234> (and that's where the free game time for everyone else comes from)
[11:52] <gord> honestly, its all too crazy for me
[11:52] <finelytuned> someting like that ;0
[11:53] <Ng> I've heard it described as "spreadsheets in space" which seemed quite amusing
[11:53] <ali1234> that is also true
[11:53] <finelytuned> there was a guy from Australia who managed to get enough in game cash to convert to real money and pay his deposit on a house
[11:53] <screen-x> ali1234: pvp?
[11:54] <bigcalm> player vs player?
[11:54] <ali1234> player vs player
[11:54] <MartijnVdS> payer vs payer
[11:54] <ali1234> yes, that is apt
[11:54] <finelytuned> lol
[11:54] <screen-x> heh
[11:55] <gord> honestly, to me, seems like transport tycoon in space with lasers
[11:55] <gord> and you spend your real money on trade routes
[11:55] <gord> which is terrifying
[11:55] <ali1234> the only people who put in real money are the people who exclusively pvp
[11:55] <popey> Koreans?
[11:56] <Ng> gord: mmm, lasert
[11:56] <finelytuned> rich people you mean
[11:56] <Ng> -t+s
[11:56] <finelytuned> chinese farmers are rife
[11:56] <Ng> I hear you can buy farming services for a lot of the MMO games
[11:56] <finelytuned> very true
[11:56] <czajkowski> best way from waterloo to get to canoincal office is ........... ?
[11:56] <MartijnVdS> walk?
[11:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Walk
[11:57] <popey> train to vauxhall
[11:57] <screen-x> czajkowski: follow the protesting students
[11:57] <popey> Students are revolting!
[11:57] <czajkowski> screen-x: no they were there monday!
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: I know right
[11:57] <gord> i just get off the underground at oxford road and walk
[11:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Walk passed the eye, over Westminster Bridge, turn left. About 15-20m
[11:57] <czajkowski> the eye is the ugly eye sore right ?
[11:57] <popey> wut!
[11:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bloody foreigners
[11:57] <gord> czajkowski, head towards big ben :) then follow the road along the river
[11:57] <MartijnVdS> czajkowski: the eye: http://www.flickr.com/photos/treenaks/4935598654/
[11:58] <czajkowski> yes eye sore
[11:58] <czajkowski> ok
[11:58] <gord> it really is
[11:58] <czajkowski> lets hope the trains are working better than they were this morning
[11:59] <jpds> czajkowski: best way> 507 bus to Millbank.
[11:59] <Ng> czajkowski: tfl suggest the quickest route is the 507 bus from stop W at waterloo, crosses the river at horseferry road which is very close to millbank tower
[11:59] <jpds> Ask a local.
[11:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCM6XzDoLXY
[11:59] <gord> if the underground was broken i would just cry in the middle of london and never get anywhere
[12:00] <Ng> (as the bus crosses the river, look left and you'll see the tower, then ring the bell and get off at the first stop after the river :)
[12:01]  * Ng ^5 jpds 
[12:01] <TheOpenSourcerer> Get to about 1:30 in the video
[12:01] <czajkowski> *grin*
[12:01] <czajkowski> thanks folks
[12:01]  * jpds returns Ng's ⁵.
[12:01] <czajkowski> if anyone is in ther today shall wave hi @ 3
[12:25] <czajkowski> popey: soooo CUTE
[12:26] <bigcalm> LOL
[12:30] <popey> :)
[12:31] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah popey - She's defo got your eyes ;-)
[12:31] <popey> :)
[12:31] <popey> he has my mouth
[12:31] <czajkowski> the taxis are closed here
[12:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> czajkowski: Just saw this on Twitter:
[12:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> The entire board at Waterloo is set to delay in case your wondering and are heading that way to get a train out
[12:32] <TheOpenSourcerer> Got on a SWT service from Surbiton at 10:15 ... it's now 12:15 and I am still sitting on it outside Waterloo
[12:32] <czajkowski> dear BCS kindly reply to mail asking oif event is going on! *grrrr*
[12:32] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: oh feck
[12:34]  * popey has sorted the kids out
[12:34] <popey> http://twitpic.com/3c65e2
[12:34] <popey> :)
[12:35] <MartijnVdS> awww
[12:35] <bigcalm> popey: ipad?
[12:35] <bigcalm> I'm pondering some form of tablet for the sittingroom
[12:35] <popey> ponder no more!
[12:35] <popey> :)
[12:36] <bigcalm> I don't really want an iSheep though
[12:36] <diplo> TheOpenSourcerer, that guys a nutter
[12:36] <bigcalm> Possibly something with Android on it
[12:37] <popey> I would have got an android tablet if I thought there was one that was a viable option
[12:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> My son has pre-ordered the new Archos 43 instead of an iPod Touch. he understands freedom is more important than bling.
[12:40] <directhex> does he exercise that freedom?
[12:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> In the voice of the Churchill Dog: "Ohhh YES!" :-D
[12:41] <popey> I didnt factor 'bling' into my purchase.
[12:41] <popey> (whatever that is)
[12:41] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's what Essex people like.
[12:42] <popey> I thought that was Escort XR3i
[12:42]  * TheOpenSourcerer hides from selinixium or whatever his handle is.
[12:48]  * popey tickles gmb
[12:52]  * gmb strokes popey's face
[12:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> eewwwww.
[12:53] <popey> :)
[12:53] <popey> interesting that UDS is going to be in the same hotel in florida next year
[12:55] <gmb> Oh god, really?
[12:55]  * gmb doesn't pay much attention to UDS
[12:55] <gmb> Mind you, our Launchpad and Platform sprints are in the same hotel in Dallas that UDS-L was in.
[12:57] <MartijnVdS> popey: was it a good one?
[12:57] <popey> dunno, i wasnt there
[12:58] <popey> yeah, of course there's one in europe before it goes back to the USA
[12:59] <Seeker`> woo fir city link
[12:59] <Seeker`> *for
[13:00] <Seeker`> pqckage picked up from amazon in milton keynes (according to amazon) for delivery to hemel hempstead
[13:00] <Seeker`> apparently, the pqckqge is now in grimbergen
[13:01] <popey> is that good?
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> Grimbergen is in Belgium
[13:01] <Seeker`> whqt MartijnVdS said
[13:01] <MartijnVdS> I imagine there's a shorter route from Milton Keynes to Hemel Hempstead
[13:01] <Pendulum> popey: it was a nice hotel :)
[13:02] <czajkowski> Todays photos  http://pix.ie/czajkowski/album/395491/goto/2061243
[13:02] <popey> http://pix.ie/czajkowski/2061247/in/album/395491 I KNOW THAT ROAD!
[13:02] <popey> oh, it's where you live.. nvm
[13:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> http://www.muktware.com/n/02/2010/547
[13:04] <popey> uhm
[13:04] <popey> that article is wildly inaccurate
[13:04] <Seeker`> MartijnVdS: i would hope so
[13:05]  * czajkowski pats popey on the noggin
[13:05] <czajkowski> special lad
[13:05] <popey> dinda was offering to help with the _developer_ manual, not the Ubuntu Manual
[13:06] <Pendulum> popey: that makes more sense
[13:06] <Pendulum> since the developer manual _is_ heavily a Canonical thing
[13:08] <Pendulum> also the part where if it'd been the Ubuntu Manual, you'd have expected the story to break on OMG! ;-)
[13:08] <popey> https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-developer-manual/msg00047.html
[13:09] <popey> note the list
[13:09] <Pendulum> yeah
[13:09] <Pendulum> popey: are you going to comment?
[13:10] <popey> yeah
[13:10] <popey> once their dumb disqus thing works
[13:16] <czajkowski> disqus ??
[13:17] <popey> comment system
[13:22] <gmb> Someone proposed that we use disqus for Launchpad at one point (for blueprints,  I think it was). Someone slapped them down fairly quickly, as I recall.
[13:22] <MartijnVdS> Thermonuclear slapdown
[13:22] <czajkowski> popey: ah ok
[13:23] <czajkowski> thanks
[13:26] <KrisWillis> Ooo the new Flash beta sounds exciting! Just need to wait patiently for the 64-bit version
[13:31] <dwatkins1> 10.2, KrisWillis?
[13:34] <KrisWillis> dwatkins: Yeah
[13:35] <screen-x> There's a google analytics type thing, but it can be hosted locally, name begins with a p, but I've forgotten it..
[13:35] <screen-x> got it... piwik
[13:36] <diplo> That was a good read TheOpenSourcerer on Asterisk
[13:55] <MooDoo> hello all
[13:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmmm - Just been followed by a popey pub. http://twitter.com/#!/hamandblackbird
[13:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> Is that the one near the station>
[13:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> s\>\?
[14:15]  * MartijnVdS hands TheOpenSourcerer the "/" key
[14:16] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[14:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> Kewl: http://mrdoob.com/projects/chromeexperiments/ball_pool/
[14:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> From here: http://html5advent.com/ Clever Idea.
[14:28] <shauno> woah.  "shake your browser" actually works
[14:29] <awilkins> To do what? Correct the slight rendering errors I've noticed in chrome?
[14:29] <ali1234> it doesn't work with compiz
[14:29] <ali1234> i'm using firefox as well
[14:30] <shauno> this is where I have to admit I use osx on my laptop, isn't it
[14:30] <Oli```> Are there any top-level that have two parts to them other than .co.xx ?
[14:30] <Oli```> *top-level domains
[14:30] <awilkins> Only your subconscious guilt compels you to do that
[14:30] <shauno> Oli```: quite a few, yes
[14:30] <shauno> I think paraguay was the one I noticed most recently
[14:31] <Darael> ali1234: It /sort of/ works with compiz.  The effects don't happen until you let the browser go, but it does have an effect on the balls.
[14:31] <Oli```> shauno: oh god there are all the .com.xx (etc) ones
[14:32] <Darael> There's a few UK ones, too... org.uk springs to mind.
[14:32] <Oli```> indeed
[14:32] <Darael> Actually, there's /only/ two-part ones in .uk, IIRC.
[14:32] <Oli```> http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla/source/netwerk/dns/src/effective_tld_names.dat?raw=1 appears to list all the TLD combos
[14:33] <Oli```> correios-e-telecomunicações.museum is a top level domain >_<
[14:33] <popey> yes TheOpenSourcerer
[14:34] <Darael> .{com,edu,gov,org,ac,mil,net,sch}.xx all seem reasonably common.
[14:34] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hmm - not my ideal hostelry.
[14:36] <shauno> wow.  that whole .museum space looks like a mess
[14:37] <Oli```> Yeah
[14:43] <kazade> anyone here own or has owned a Dreamcast?
[14:43] <kazade> dug mine out of the attic yesterday - god it's awesome
[14:43] <popey> :)
[14:44] <popey> i never even played one
[14:44] <kazade> seriously popey, totally missing out ;)
[14:44] <gord> ugh the bank robot has wait music now and its christmas brass band :(
[14:44] <kazade> it has proper arcade style games, like Hydro Thunder and Crazy Taxi
[14:45] <kazade> just bought 2 controllers from ebay, still boxed :D
[14:45] <kazade> my gf is gonna disown me if I take up much more of the living room with retro consoles :/
[14:48] <gord> dump girlfriend, acquire more mega drives
[14:48] <kazade> heh :)
[14:48] <kazade> I need to get a Master system..
[14:48] <kazade> and a Sega Saturn, then I will have restored my childhood collection ;)
[14:55] <Azelphur> Anyone know an app for android that can stream your camera to the web?
[14:56] <Azelphur> like ustream but I need to be able to background it
[14:58] <ali1234> make one
[14:58] <Azelphur> within the next 10 minutes :P
[14:58] <ali1234> when you say "stream to web" what do you mean?
[14:58] <Craig_Dem> Better get coding fast if you only have 10 minutes.
[14:59] <Azelphur> ali1234: ustream streams my webcam up to the ustream server and exposes a web page with flash video
[14:59] <Azelphur> so it streams my webcam live to a webpage I can link people to
[14:59] <ali1234> ustream is open protocol?
[14:59] <Azelphur> no idea
[14:59] <popey> vlc?
[14:59] <Azelphur> popey: on android?
[15:00] <ali1234> root it, install debian
[15:00] <ali1234> then get vlc
[15:00] <ali1234> it would have to be backgrounded then, unless you install vnc and all that stuff
[15:22] <gord> whats the main story on bbc news today? "Excitement mounts over World Cup votes".. thats not news.
[15:22] <bigcalm> Couldn't care less
[15:24] <directhex> gord: the definition of news has changed.
[15:28] <gord> changed isn't quite the word... disintegrated
[15:28] <screen-x> news = stuff that generates page views?
[15:28] <jacobw> uh huh
[15:28] <directhex> the news is the news, now
[15:28] <directhex> screen-x: right
[15:29] <directhex> the story is no longer "event x", it's the peoples' reaction to event x, and the news coverage of event x
[15:29] <directhex> news is not facts
[15:29] <screen-x> meta news
[15:29] <directhex> news is stories
[15:29] <directhex> stories about puppies, and photos of snowmen
[15:30] <mgdm> the main story at my work isn't about that, fortunately
[15:32] <jacobw> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11897825
[15:37] <bigcalm> Hey mgdm
[15:37] <mgdm> Hi bigcalm
[15:37] <directhex> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpVTUdfcEMg
[16:12] <DaisyTheCow> falcon
[16:12] <jacobw> peregrine
[16:12] <nperry> chicken
[16:13] <DaisyTheCow> I win :o)
[16:14] <DaisyTheCow> sorry typed original message in wrong window
[16:15] <jpds> Hmm, cow falcons.
[16:21] <AlanBell> falconry with chickens
[16:21] <AlanBell> chickens don't like snow
[16:22] <nperry> Nor does nperry
[16:22] <DaisyTheCow> Snow is a waste of time unless you get enough of it to be off work
[16:23] <nperry> I'm going to have a snow/ice day tomorrow.
[16:24] <nperry> I struggled to get out my village this morning, with it freezing tonight I've got no hope in hell.
[16:24] <DaisyTheCow> I wish I could.  There's just enough here to be a pain but not enough to get a day off!
[16:24] <Darael> Cue "there snow ice" pun.
[16:24] <directhex> hm. was it ali1234 who did an image for me?
[16:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> There is enough here for both of us DaisyTheCow
[16:25] <jpds> DaisyTheCow: 'off work because of snow' ?
[16:25] <screen-x> mmm ubuntu irc-members, I guess you need more of a contribution than "makes sarcastic comments in #ubuntu-uk"
[16:25] <DaisyTheCow> TheOpenSourcerer: I need mine up here :o(
[16:25] <jpds> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11886404
[16:25] <jpds> There is the concept of working remotely from home.
[16:26] <bigcalm> jpds: my boss's tweet is quoted in that page
[16:26] <jpds> bigcalm: OK, keep calm.
[16:26]  * bigcalm panics
[16:27] <bigcalm> There's no escape
[16:27] <jpds> ;-)
[16:28] <screen-x> In chrome, I'm only seeing one letter of each headline on that bbc news page.
[16:29] <gord> chrome or chromium?
[16:32] <Phineas> i changed my username in ubuntu but when i do something in terminal or lok at the user name in the top-left hand corner it still says my old username, how can i solve this?
[16:33] <Azelphur> I don't think you can change your username
[16:33] <Azelphur> you can only create a new one
[16:34] <gord> Phineas, how did you change your username?
[16:34] <Phineas> Azelphur,  yes you can when you edit the user account and type in a new name
[16:34] <kazade> usermod can change your login name..
[16:34] <kazade>        -l, --login NEW_LOGIN
[16:34] <kazade>            The name of the user will be changed from LOGIN to NEW_LOGIN. Nothing else is changed. In particular, the users home directory name should probably be changed
[16:34] <kazade>            manually to reflect the new login name.
[16:34] <screen-x> gord: chrome
[16:34] <Azelphur> I see :p
[16:34] <Phineas> gord,  system > administration > users> edit> then i changed the name from there
[16:35] <kazade> usermod -l login-name old-name
[16:35] <kazade> although I dunno what will break :)
[16:35] <Phineas> kazade,  break?
[16:35] <kazade> well, your home folder uses your login name...
[16:36] <kazade> Phineas, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-change-rename-user-name-id/
[16:36] <Phineas> kazade,  ahh
[16:36] <nperry> Phineas: Why would you want/need to change your username? Unless you used your porn name.
[16:38] <Phineas> nperry,  didn't like my old user name, didn't have enought pazaz to it
[16:38] <screen-x> bit waffly?
[16:38] <nperry> I always sufer with not enough pazaz.
[16:40] <Phineas> my new user name doesn't exsist
[16:42] <Phineas> fishy that is
[16:42] <bigcalm> Phineas: open a terminal and enter: ls /home
[16:43] <Phineas> bigcalm,  old user name appears
[16:44] <Phineas> bigcalm,  this is fishy
[16:45] <bigcalm> That's your new user name with more pizaz?
[16:46] <Phineas> bigcalm,  no my new user name is not fishy its Phineas
[16:46] <livingdaylight> good morning
[16:48] <Phineas> bigcalm,  but everything thats not the login screen or user sats still says my old user name
[16:48] <popey> Phineas: stuff will break if you rename your user
[16:50] <ali1234> directhex: yeah it was me
[16:51] <Phineas> popey,  like what?
[16:51] <popey> Phineas: like software that has /home/waffle/foo/bar/baz in it
[16:54] <directhex> ali1234: i've updated things slightly, you might like
[16:54] <ali1234> lol
[16:55] <ali1234> but shouldn't it say "developers!"
[16:55] <ali1234> hmm i didn't know pitivi was a collabora software
[16:56] <ali1234> i suppose that explains why it uses gstreamer
[17:01] <Phineas> the internet is a lie
[17:01] <nigelb> just like the cake
[17:01] <dutchie> popey: said stuff could be said to be broken anyway...
[17:24] <kazade> gah, I hate debating DRM with someone who thinks it's a great idea...
[17:25] <kazade> because they always come up with the priceless "If you don't like it, don't buy it"
[17:25] <kazade> which is fine, if the whole PC gaming world didn't think DRM was a great idea :/
[17:26] <nperry> +1
[17:26] <kazade> (un)fortunately, OMGubuntu has a limit to nested comments
[17:28] <Darael> kazade: My response tends to be "I don't.  That doesn't make it a good thing".
[17:28] <nperry> kazade: funny you should say that kazade, just discussing omgubuntu's ubuntu fan boy/girl based community.
[17:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Stuart Langridge] Send us to the World Cup - http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2010/12/02/send-us-to-the-world-cup
[17:32] <kazade> nperry, I'm mentioning it because I'm having a debate with a moron, erm, I mean person on OMG!
[17:35] <nperry> How can bug 683775 be a regression, when its only been reported to happen from fresh install
[17:36] <dutchie> because it's a bug that wasn't present in an old release
[17:37] <nperry> dutchie: Answers the questions.. ty :)
[17:38] <nperry> My perception was that regression would only be when you update from old>new
[17:44] <andylockran> howdy all
[17:47] <andylockran> y'all good?
[17:47] <nperry> Yo, I'm good, youself?
[17:58] <X3N> http://www.linux.fm/
[17:58] <livingdaylight> someone know whether there is a linux app that allows several people to view a film for e.g and chat at the same time? in
[17:59] <X3N> livingdaylight: irc and VLC ?
[17:59] <livingdaylight> http://v-radio.org/
[17:59] <livingdaylight> X3N, how would that work?
[17:59] <livingdaylight> how would people sign in to VLC?
[18:00] <X3N> you use irc for chatting and VLC for video distribution
[18:01] <livingdaylight> I'm talking about an application or method for doing that under one roof
[18:02] <livingdaylight> a live-stream where people log on using tweeter account for e.g and chat and comment on what's being viewed in real time
[18:02] <X3N> with a pony right? ;)
[18:02] <livingdaylight> ok, so app doesn't exist in Linux... i was just asking
[18:03] <X3N> we'll the apps exist, you just have to them together
[18:03] <livingdaylight> http://mashable.com/2010/12/01/social-media-addiction-psa/ enjoy
[18:03] <X3N> *well
[18:03] <AlanBell> sounds more like a web application
[18:03] <AlanBell> like the jonocast thing
[18:03] <livingdaylight> jonocast thing?
[18:04] <livingdaylight> the guy from V-radio seems to think he has to use windows; it would be more in keeping if there was an opensource /FSF approach
[18:05] <dutchie> ustream.tv is a non-foss way that works on linux
[18:05] <AlanBell> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/at-home-with-jono-bacon
[18:05] <dutchie> although i don't know if you can do video broadcasts without pointing a webcam at a tv screen
[18:06] <AlanBell> messing with gstreamer pipelines you probably can
[18:06] <dutchie> sounds fun
[18:07] <shauno> that v-radio site is pretty awful :/
[18:07] <livingdaylight> shauno, in what way?
[18:07] <shauno> "for the purpose of spreading awareness of the Venus Project"
[18:07] <shauno> and then goes on to make no further mention of what this is, at all, anywhere on the site
[18:08] <livingdaylight> shauno, yes, it does... check 'links'
[18:08] <livingdaylight> anyway, you can argue about the contents; i'm asking about the technological side
[18:10] <shauno> just thought it was interesting :)
[18:10] <livingdaylight> shauno, it actually goes on to say: "The work of industrial designer and social engineer Jacque Fresco."
[18:11] <livingdaylight> given it is about the tv docus he's promoting I think it is a fair intro, enough to go on and reseach by using google for e.g. if not first checking the 'links' tab
[18:12] <shauno> the only link that seemed relevant there doesn't answer for me
[18:12] <X3N> not as good as http://www.linux.fm/
[18:12] <shauno> but yes, what you're asking for would be a mash of otherwise separate components.  just as sites like justin.tv do it.  a stream and chat on one page, rather than a pre-existing app that's mashed them for you already
[18:14] <livingdaylight> does such an app for windows exist? that mashes these various components under one roof?
[18:15] <livingdaylight> shauno, how would a link to said Venus Project not feel relevant?
[18:15] <shauno> that's the one that didn't work for me  (times out)
[18:17] <livingdaylight> i see
[18:17] <livingdaylight> yes, seems temporarily down
[18:18] <shauno> I'm not sure what'd do it on windows either.  I'd assume livemeeting, but I've never tried that with a stream
[18:20] <livingdaylight> I'll ask him what he uses
[18:21] <AlanBell> what is tumblr?
[18:21] <MonsterKiller> dont supose anyone would know if you can clear prt cache and if so, how i could do it? :P
[18:22] <dutchie> AlanBell: hosted blogging thingy
[18:23] <AlanBell> oh ok. Just says limit exceeded for me and there was an article about it on planet ubuntu
[18:24] <cronus>  /nick ado_papas
[18:50] <daubers> ping AlanBell
[18:50] <AlanBell> o/
[18:52] <sam_010203> got a problem with flash in youtube.  its loading a black screen but not downloading.  there are no controls either.  anyone know why this is happening?
[19:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Ralph Janke] Ubuntu LoCo Team's Website Moved to New Server - http://drupal.txwikinger.me.uk/content/ubuntu-loco-teams-website-moved-new-server
[20:06] <Azelphur> I upgraded the graphics card in my PC from an nvidia 6600 to an nvidia 9500, X kept crashing so I uninstalled the proprietary drivers to reinstall them. Now X won't start. Here's Xorg.0.log http://pastebin.com/0DLjpqjf
[20:06] <Azelphur> I tried reinstalling nvidia-glx-185 but it still wouldn't start, any ideas?
[20:08]  * Azelphur pokes the smart people
[20:11] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1497063
[20:11] <Azelphur> yea, my Xorg.conf was trying to load nv and looking at the list nv doesn't support 9500GT so that's part one explained
[20:12] <Azelphur> I installed nvidia-glx-185 and set driver to "nvidia", it now says Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)
[20:18] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: any idea why it'd say there's no such module even though I have nvidia-glx-185 installed?
[20:20] <ali1234> because dkms failed to run properly, or because you still have the nouveau module loaded
[20:21] <dogmatic69> Azelphur: no clue. how about http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/slackware-14/ee-failed-to-load-module-nvidia-module-does-not-exist-0-a-572701/
[20:22] <Azelphur> ali1234: how do I check?
[20:22] <UbuntuBhoy> any chance of help to a small booting issue?
[20:22] <Azelphur> ali1234: also with nouveau loaded do you mean in xorg.conf?
[20:23] <UbuntuBhoy> just repartitioned second drive, and upgraded vista to win7
[20:23] <UbuntuBhoy> now ubuntu hangs on boot
[20:23] <UbuntuBhoy> looking for the vista partition
[20:23] <UbuntuBhoy> how can I skip by this
[20:25] <nperry> UbuntuBhoy: you might need to go into grub command line and update-grub
[20:25] <nperry> Oh hang on, does it go past grub?
[20:25] <UbuntuBhoy> any link to a how-to?
[20:25] <UbuntuBhoy> yeah, its a mountall problem
[20:26] <UbuntuBhoy> 'mountall: Filesystem could not be mounted /media/Vista'
[20:26] <UbuntuBhoy> the drive was set to automount
[20:27] <MonsterKiller> 'Vista' <--- theres the problem
[20:27] <UbuntuBhoy> thats why the upgrade
[20:27] <dogmatic69> eh... you got a virus :P
[20:27] <UbuntuBhoy> not used it for about 2 years
[20:28] <UbuntuBhoy> so any ideas how I can skip the mountall failure
[20:29] <nperry> Boot into recovery mode, drop to shell and disable?
[20:29] <UbuntuBhoy> its the same on recovery
[20:29] <UbuntuBhoy> doesn't hit the menu
[20:30] <nperry> Live cd and chroot in?
[20:30] <UbuntuBhoy> probably, but wouldnt know what to do when I got in
[20:31] <nperry> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=157250
[20:31] <UbuntuBhoy> edit fstab?
[20:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Tony] A walk in the snow - http://tonywhitmore.co.uk/blog/2010/12/02/a-walk-in-the-snow/
[20:32] <UbuntuBhoy> nperry: I know how to get in, but what do I change to stop the error
[20:34] <Azelphur> ali1234 / dogmatic69 I fixed it, ssh -X and jockey-gtk to the rescue
[20:35] <dogmatic69> nice
[20:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey - this will stick the wind up IBM a tad... http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/120110-microsoft-quietly-invests-in-ibm.html
[21:03] <ikonia> I need someone to bounce an issue off, I'm getting frustrated with a normally simple function of mdadm
[21:03] <directhex> toss it out the window, hit the gym
[21:03] <ikonia> sold
[21:03] <ikonia> I'm off to do some bench work, good call
[21:03] <ikonia> oh no, wait, I want my data
[21:04] <directhex> always looking out for your best interests, matt!
[21:04] <ikonia> back at you
[21:04] <ikonia> however as you have responded, you will have to be my sounding board
[21:04] <ikonia> sorry
[21:06] <ikonia> I have a raid 5 software raid array, the data is in tact and all is well, the problem is the mdadm.conf file had the row deleted for that meta device
[21:06] <ikonia> I want to start the raid 5 array using the existing data, I'd notmally simple mdadm --build $device --level=$ $disk1 $disk2
[21:06] <ikonia> however mdadm --build --level=5 does not support raid 5 to build an array ?
[21:07] <ikonia> so my only real option is to use --create to re-create the array, however --create notices the disks are already in an existing but not running array
[21:07] <ikonia> if I use create it will re-write the superblock, which isn't a problem, but I'm not %100 sure if it will do anything else, which then puts the data on this stripe set at risk
[21:08] <ikonia> the man page couldn't be less detailed if it tried
[21:08] <directhex> i have little MD experience, and certainly not with 5
[21:08] <ikonia> it's fine normally, I can recover a total mess, but I've never had it tell me --level=5 is not supported so I've never really checked if --create only touches the super block, or anything else
[21:09] <ikonia> if I had confidence it just re-created the super block, I'd just re-create it
[21:10] <ikonia> ok, array rebuilding, lets come back to it in 1134 minutes to see if the data is still there
[21:10] <ikonia> thanks directhex you where mega
[21:12] <directhex> sorry, if i don't know i won't pretend to know!
[21:12] <ikonia> I'm only kidding
[21:13] <ikonia> it was actually helpful to type it out and walk it through
[21:13] <ikonia> I'm pretty certain it's just super block data it writes, so lets try it
[21:17] <directhex> good luck
[21:17] <ikonia> it will be fine
[21:19] <ikonia> now I need to work out how to write data to the appleTV disk device and get some form of Linux on it
[21:20] <ikonia> that's proving a lot more of a challange than I had hoped for
[21:29] <KrimZon> argh, this thing with cron not finding the script is driving me crazy
[21:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] Things You Didn't Know About Shaun McCance #1 - http://philbull.livejournal.com/56364.html
[21:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] The LoCo Council Optimizes LoCo Teams For Success - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/02/the-loco-council-optimizes-loco-teams-for-success/
[21:45] <DanielRM> Evening all.
[21:46] <dogmatic69> o/
[21:47] <DanielRM> dogmatic69: how are you?
[21:48] <dogmatic69> not to bad thanks
[21:48] <dogmatic69> and you?
[21:48] <DanielRM> Not too bad.
[21:48] <DanielRM> Tired but I always am.
[21:49] <DanielRM> Anyone fancy recommending some music to me?
[21:51] <MichealH> The sound of your computer? <3
[21:52] <dogmatic69> trivium, coal chamber, slip knot, ac/dc, metallica
[21:52] <DanielRM> MichealH: but it's running silent at the moment. D:
[21:52] <MichealH> DanielRM, Just overwork it It will soon follow ;)
[21:53] <MichealH> Mine sounds like its going at 200% CPU
[21:53] <dogmatic69> pantera, ozzy, smashing pumpkins
[21:53] <DanielRM> dogmatic69: any of those in the folk metal subgenre? I'm not in the mood for anything much heavier atm.
[21:53] <dogmatic69> ah
[21:53] <dogmatic69> i like noise++;
[21:53] <DanielRM> I'm thinking mainly Coal Chamber as I've not heard of them; don't know much about Slip Knot either TBH.
[21:53] <MichealH> I like Noise+
[21:54] <MichealH> Not ++ :P
[21:54] <dogmatic69> hehe
[21:54] <dogmatic69> then dont bother with coal chamber
[21:54] <DanielRM> Quite like some of Mechanical Poet's stuff.
[21:54] <dogmatic69> or slip knot
[21:54] <dogmatic69> how about manic street preachers
[21:54] <MichealH> I will hold on to rap then ;)
[21:54] <dogmatic69> old skewl
[21:55] <dogmatic69> sp is always good
[21:55] <dogmatic69> pearl jam is nice and relaxing
[21:56] <dogmatic69> who knew pantera is Brazilian
[21:56] <DanielRM> Hmm, MSP might be OK for the moment.
[21:56] <dogmatic69> not pantera
[21:56] <DanielRM> Not heard of Pearl Jam; what style?
[21:57] <dogmatic69> very custom tunes, something like nirvana same sort of era
[21:58] <dogmatic69> wiki says "Alternative rock, grunge"
[21:59] <DanielRM> Hmm.
[22:00] <dogmatic69> who knew *Sepultura* was brazilian
[22:00] <DanielRM> Think I'll go for a bit of quiet hip-hop at the moment.
[22:00] <DanielRM> Well, hip-hop/electronic.
[22:00] <dogmatic69> very hard core compared to mardi gras :P
[22:01] <DanielRM> Hehe.
[22:01] <Ng> DanielRM: go for some oldskool style hiphop, Ugly Duckling! particularly their album Taste The Secret :D
[22:01] <dogmatic69> there is always http://www.linux.fm/
[22:02] <DanielRM> Ng: I'm on Dan le Sac and Scroobius Pip at the moment.
[22:02] <dogmatic69> this is awesome <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg-wRQdrSqo
[22:02] <dogmatic69> static-x
[22:02]  * Ng wonders if there are any powerline fans in the house, I have more stupid question
[22:03] <DanielRM> I've got some sort of ska/reggae on.
[22:03] <DanielRM> It's rubbish. :-/
[22:03] <DanielRM> That's banned from last.fm
[22:05] <DanielRM> Ng: once this Frank Turner one's finished I'll give Ugly Duckling a try. :P
[22:05] <Ng> \o/
[22:05] <jacobw> airbourne toxic event
[22:06] <Ng> ipopey definitely wants to tap out the answers to my silly powerline questions! ;)
[22:06] <jacobw> greetings iPopey
[22:06] <DanielRM> Evening ipopey
[22:07] <ipopey> Ng: Hmm?
[22:07] <jacobw> goodnight all
[22:07] <Ng> ipopey: just wondering if I can buy 4 of the 200mb ones and have magic happen
[22:07] <ipopey> Define magic
[22:08] <DanielRM> The Snowman being real?
[22:08] <Ng> ipopey: all 4 devices can see each other like they were just on a real lan
[22:08] <ipopey> That's exactly what happens
[22:08] <Ng> my brain doesn't really accept that internets can work over power lines, so I struggle to assume that the obvious magic will happen ;)
[22:09] <MattJ> Ng: it happens
[22:09] <ipopey> The only optional bit is doing the encryption
[22:09] <Ng> my folks want an internet tv, sony/samsung want hilarious amounts of money for usb wifi adapters for them, but they all have ethernet ports => powerline is cheaper
[22:09] <ipopey> But that's a 2 min job
[22:10] <Ng> ebuyer have a cheapie unbranded 200mb powerline pair of thingies for like 45 quid, which is excellent
[22:13] <dogmatic69> anyone know of good places to buy hardware?
[22:13] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: ebuyer, scan
[22:13] <dogmatic69> without a retail account or anything like that, just direct to the public stuff (with good prices)
[22:14] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: pretty much everywhere you go you have to sign up for an account
[22:14] <dogmatic69> oh ok
[22:14] <dogmatic69> im new to the uk markets
[22:14] <Azelphur> but it's free to create an account and you don't have to regularly buy so just create an account lol
[22:14] <dogmatic69> ok
[22:15] <dogmatic69> that is ok then
[22:15] <Azelphur> yea
[22:15] <dwatkins> There is some protection for the buyer, so it's worth doing it that way
[22:15] <dogmatic69> in south africa you have to prove you will buy more than x per month etc
[22:15] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: dabs is good too
[22:15] <dwatkins> If you buy with a credit card there's even more protection
[22:15]  * Azelphur has spent loads on ebuyer/dabs
[22:15]  * dwatkins has spent a lot on these sites also, and overclockers uk
[22:16] <dogmatic69> any one have a proper rack at home?
[22:16] <dogmatic69> like a blade server etc
[22:16] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: what I usually do is use google shopping, sort by price, then find the first reputable seller and buy from there
[22:16] <Azelphur> google shopping is awesome for that
[22:16] <dogmatic69> ye, good plan
[22:17] <Nafallo> blade server at home = bad plan :-)
[22:17] <dogmatic69> really?
[22:17] <DanielRM> Whenever I hear that term I always think of a server which is physically sharp. I always worry I'd cut myself on one.
[22:17] <Nafallo> power usage, cooling for it. the noice.
[22:18] <dogmatic69> just stick it out side, no noise, free cooling :P
[22:19] <Nafallo> ehrm. you obviously haven't looked at pricing for them yet ;-)
[22:19] <dogmatic69> 2k
[22:19] <dogmatic69> pretty crazy
[22:19] <Nafallo> and the sound is just... yeah, no. unless you live in the forest you'll end up disturbing people.
[22:20] <ipopey> With how many blades?
[22:20] <dogmatic69> http://www.ebuyer.com/product/200764
[22:20] <dogmatic69> ^ i want
[22:21] <Nafallo> that's not a blade chassi...
[22:21] <dogmatic69> i know, almost time for a desktop upgrade
[22:21] <Nafallo> I can believe ONE BLADE would be 2k... but the chassi will be a lot more than that :-P
[22:21] <dwatkins> I have a silent PC at home that's a server. I chose the fans carefully.
[22:22] <dwatkins> I wouldn't bother with a blade server, far too much power for home use. I just repurposed a PC.
[22:22] <Nafallo> depending on what you'd use the server for, development ARM boards would be a better option :-)
[22:23] <Nafallo> no cooling, hardly no power.
[22:23] <ipopey> I used to have a compaq proliant server in my garage :)
[22:23] <Nafallo> ipopey: I used to have a Compaq Prosignia in my flat... what's the point? ;-)
[22:24] <Nafallo> (I had it off... sawmills shouldn't be in flats)
[22:29] <dwatkins> I think my next server will either be a mini-itx or a sheevaplug
[22:30] <dogmatic69> lol
[22:31] <neptune> hey
[22:32] <dogmatic69> o/
[22:43] <czajkowski> just so we're clear and in case you missed it. I HATE SNOW!!!!!
[22:43] <czajkowski> AOHA
[22:43] <czajkowski> ALOHA
[22:44] <dogmatic69> snow FTW!!!!!1!!eleven!!1
[22:47] <ipopey> :)
[22:47] <AlanBell> hi czajkowski, you made it home then!
[22:47] <Azelphur> haha, this wikileaks story is so funny
[22:48] <Azelphur> it gets worse every day, it's gone from "Your bad and have caused deaths" to "We're shutting your servers down" to "We're going to accuse you of rape" to "The russians are going to assassinate you"
[22:48] <Azelphur> xD
[22:53] <czajkowski> AlanBell: what a frigging day
[22:54] <AlanBell> snow in the UK == forget about public transport
[22:54] <AlanBell> and roads
[22:54] <Nafallo> mmmm. kebab.
[22:54] <AlanBell> and walking
[22:55]  * Nafallo adds to AlanBells thing ...outside London ;-)
[22:56] <czajkowski> AlanBell: london is fine
[22:56] <czajkowski> there is little or no snow there
[22:56] <czajkowski> it's everywhere else is the issue
[22:56] <czajkowski> it's stupid
[22:56] <czajkowski> I waited for 2 hours in Woking for trains that were coming
[22:57] <czajkowski> and then at the time they were due to arrived, then pulled. poor communication
[22:57] <AlanBell> yup
[22:57] <AlanBell> it is mainly a lack of drivers getting to work
[22:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> I'm off up the wooden hill to bedforshire - no snow there :-D
[23:12] <AlanBell> czajkowski: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-11897825
[23:13] <diplo> evening all
[23:20] <ipopey> Lo
[23:20] <jpds> AlanBell: http://i.imgur.com/FqBqK.jpg is more accurate.
[23:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] DevDocs/Tools Hackfest day one; Handling lots of screenshots - http://philbull.livejournal.com/56738.html