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Unit193Hey dmcglone00:38
dmcgloneHi Unit193 hows it going?00:38
Unit193Playing in my router with SSH00:39
Cheri703hey00:39
Cheri703dmcglone: did that script work for you?00:39
dmcglonewhy SSH? why not just http00:39
Cheri703I added a line in mine to situate my normal one properly, if I restart with the external attached, it is dumb00:39
Unit193SSH is more fun/you can do more00:39
dmcgloneNot good Cheri703, I said forget it and I'm back to gnome00:39
Cheri703:/00:40
Unit193You don't use Kubuntu at all?00:40
dmcglonetoo many quirks in KDE, but overall it's good, just too tedious00:40
dmcgloneUnit193: I was giving it a trail run. ran it for about a week.00:40
Unit193Did you ever use Rekonq (Default browser)?00:41
dmcgloneDesktop effects were screwed up and it would not remember my monitor settings00:41
dmcgloneI don't recall00:41
dmcglonethere were a couple times I clicked on a link and konq popped up, but I would close it and open it in firefox00:42
Unit193did you use 10.10?00:42
dmcgloneyes00:42
dmcgloneI still have it installed, Just haven't logged in to it00:42
dmcgloneit's just too unpredictable00:43
Unit193I don't really have issues with it....00:43
dmcgloneit's a shame though, because it's looking nice, and the options are plenty00:43
dmcgloneare you using dual monitors Unit193?00:44
Unit193Can't :(00:44
dmcglonecard doesn't support it?00:44
Unit193DOn't have the ports00:45
dmcgloneI see00:45
dmcgloneI'm about to buy me another monitor.. LMAO00:45
Unit193I would really love to have dual....00:46
dmcgloneThis computer room is "My Domain". No Wife's Allowed! LOL00:46
dmcgloneUnit193: graphics cards are relatively  cheap these days00:47
dmcgloneI've got to the point where if I had to go back to a single monitor I would cry00:48
dmcglonedevelopment is so much easier00:49
Unit193Main computer is the family comp....00:49
dmcgloneMine is too00:49
Cheri703dmcglone: it's hard for me to go from 10" + 20" back to 10" :(00:49
dmcgloneCheri703: take your 20" in the living room and hook it up to your netbook :-)00:50
Cheri703I do!00:50
Cheri703it's on a laptop stand next to the couch right now, hooked to netbook which is in my lap, and tv is hooked to desktop in the corner00:50
dmcglonealso thats another reason I decided not to get a netbook00:50
Cheri703I like it for my portability00:50
dmcgloneI got my behemoth HP for portability... LOL00:51
Cheri703heh00:51
dmcgloneBut for me, coming across computers is almost an everyday thing00:51
dmcglonethe HP I got here it's jam packed loaded with card readers, dual monitor Nvidia, (HDMI) 2 HD's RCA jacks in back and front and back slot for removable tape drive and Svideo all for 200 bucks00:54
dmcgloneit's funny I think about it and all my equipment is HP00:56
dmcgloneI'll be back, I did an update and now my computer is having a winblows moment and is complaining it needs restarted00:57
dmcgloneOk, I'm back. I hate that stupid "login keyring"01:00
Unit193Welcome back01:00
dmcglonesometimes I have to enter my password 2 times, sometimes 3 sometimes just once01:00
Cheri703you can clear that01:01
dmcgloneyeah, I'm about to delete that crap :-)01:01
dmcglonehow would you go about it Cheri703? I usually just delete the stuff in "passwords and encryption keys"01:03
Cheri703let me check, hang on01:03
Cheri703if you delete it, then it will come back to want another one, and you just leave it blank01:04
dmcglonewill it prompt again?01:04
Cheri703after you leave it blank at the "create password" it shouldn't, it'll ask "are you sure you want to use unsafe storage" or something, then leave you alone01:05
dmcgloneok im gonna do that01:05
dmcgloneUnit193: I've got rekonq up. What sets it apart from firefox?01:11
Unit193I was just asking, I use firefox01:12
dmcgloneI like the favorites01:12
dmcglonehave you give it a look Unit193?01:13
Unit193Not really01:13
Unit193Just checking out the download of kubuntu and it listed that as new in 10.1001:14
dmcgloneit looks lean.. so lean it looks scary almost01:14
dmcglonethe progress bar is the actual address bar01:14
Unit193I miss N++ when using linux...01:14
Unit193Like in FF4?01:14
Unit193I don't like that...01:15
dmcgloneI'm not familiar with FF401:15
Unit193Firefox 4 Beta01:15
dmcgloneI haven't seen that one yet01:15
Unit193Don't bother....01:15
dmcglonerekong has no menus01:15
dmcgloneit seems to be using WebKit01:16
Unit193I'll stick with firefox/midori01:16
dmcgloneI don't blame you. You want a screenshot?01:17
Unit193sure01:17
dmcgloneOk let me throw one up01:17
dmcgloneHuh, it never fails. My Ubuntu One isnt working for some reason01:19
Unit193Does it ever?01:20
dmcgloneit was working fine earlier01:20
dmcgloneAh I needed to connect! How dumb of me01:21
dmcglonethey make this crap look so easy in the video01:23
dmcglonelol01:23
canthus13Ubuntu one isn't meant to work.01:25
canthus13it's a tribute to Microsoft.01:25
dmcglonehaha01:25
dmcglonemy image is uploading right now01:26
dmcglone:-)01:26
dmcgloneat least I think... LOL01:26
dmcgloneit's got the transfer icon next to it01:26
dmcgloneit's a really big image, so I think it'll take a second01:27
dmcgloneUnit193: http://ubuntuone.com/p/RkK/01:33
dmcgloneit's so clean it's scary01:33
Unit193dmcglone: Ever tested midori?01:34
dmcgloneNo is it any good?01:34
Unit193small and fast01:34
dmcgloneis it in the repo's?01:35
Unit193yes01:35
dmcgloneI'm gonna fetch it01:35
dmcglonehere's an example of the day I've been having:01:37
dmcglonedavid@buddy:~$ sudo apt-get midori01:37
dmcglone[sudo] password for david:01:37
dmcgloneE: Invalid operation midori01:37
dmcglonedavid@buddy:~$ sudo apt get midori01:37
dmcglonesudo: apt: command not found01:37
Cheri703sudo apt-get install midori01:38
dmcgloneI know, I finally got my head on straight and typed it correctly01:38
dmcglonethats just an example of the mindless mistakes I've been making today01:38
dmcgloneI should have been a blonde01:39
dmcgloneLOL01:39
Cheri703heh01:39
Unit193It's ok, your just old:-D01:39
dmcgloneLOL01:39
dmcgloneI'm surprised I at least typed my password correctly01:40
dmcglonesometimes I type my password wrong and I look at the computer like it's the computers fault01:40
dmcglonehaha01:40
Cheri703it should know what you meant!01:41
dmcgloneyeah!01:41
dmcgloneit's supposed to be smarter than me01:42
dmcglonelol01:42
dmcgloneMidori looks pretty good01:44
dmcgloneso what tricks does it have up it's sleeve?01:45
Unit193I hate it when it tries to be smarter...01:45
dmcgloneit's supposed to be. After all, they build our cars, survey land, crash test, and the list goes on ;-)01:47
dmcglonepaultag: is it me or are you signing on and off?01:50
dmcglonehere's something funny, I'm on wireless and my router is in the next room against the wall my computer is on and I only get a 25% - 35% signal01:52
dmcgloneHmm maybe it is me. am I still here? I've been having a lot of dropped connections lately, so sometimes I'm not sure01:57
Cheri703you're here, I have join/part turned off, so I dunno if you're dropping out01:58
dmcglonepaultag: just dropped in and out like 5 times on my buddy list, so it got me wondering01:59
dmcgloneUnit193: have any idea what browser this dude is using? http://www.youtube.com/myubuntuone02:00
Cheri703he has ridiculous hair02:01
dmcgloneLOL02:01
dmcglonepay attention Cheri703 ;-)02:01
dmcglonestay focused02:01
dmcglonelol02:02
Cheri703chrome or chromium02:03
dmcglonehow can you tell?02:03
Cheri703a. the icon, and b. I used it for a while02:03
dmcgloneis it any good?02:03
Cheri703it was ok. I prefer firefox, big things were nice in chromium, the little details were what sent me back02:05
Unit193chromeium02:06
Cheri703?02:06
dmcgloneI see02:06
Unit193bad typing02:06
Cheri703ah02:06
dmcglonehang on, brb02:06
Unit193In the one image it has "Chromium didn't shut down..."02:07
dmcglonemy "me" menu used to have my pidgin internet messenger, I just rebooted and now it's gone.. LOL02:10
dmcgloneOn the upside, U1 works, on the downside, I had to enter my password, on the upside I only had to enter it once..02:14
Cheri703and on the other hand, but on the other hand, and on the other hand...ahh fiddler on the roof02:15
canthus13puddi puddi!02:15
dmcglonedownside...... one.ubuntu.com uses godaddy!!! damn I could give them better! ;-)02:16
Unit193Could you give me a better one?02:17
Unit193;)02:17
Unit193Do you know how to minimize rdesktop?02:18
dmcglonewith a sledge hammer02:18
dmcglone;-)02:18
dmcgloneI can't remember02:19
canthus13dmcglone: That's for fixing Windows.02:19
Unit193I like the KDE RDP client better then LXDE/Gnome02:19
dmcglonecanthus13: I use a jack hammer for that02:19
dmcgloneUnit193: I know exactly what your talking about, I used it a lot a couple years ago, but I can't recall how to minimize it02:20
dmcgloneI belive it was a key combo02:20
dmcglonelet me think for a second02:20
dmcgloneis it the one with the bug in it that would take up the whole screen and not let you get back to your desktop?02:21
dmcglonenot even alt + tab worked02:22
Unit193It's made for connecting to a win desktop02:22
dmcgloneI know02:22
dmcgloneI can't remember, i'll go google it for ya02:23
Unit193CTRL+ ALT+F3 :)02:23
dmcglonehah, it's exactly what I went through. hit crtrl+alt+F* then go back to F702:24
dmcgloneI ditched it real quick when I had to go through that02:24
Unit193CTRL+ALT+Enter windows it02:25
Unit193turns it into a window (how do you say that?)02:25
dmcgloneyou said it02:25
dmcgloneLOL02:25
Cheri703any of you have a video ipod?02:26
dmcglonesome call it "windowed"02:26
Unit193that's it!02:26
Unit193windowed it?02:26
dmcgloneyeah02:26
Unit193:D02:26
dmcgloneno Cheri703 I try to steer clear of apple products02:26
Cheri703we were given a video ipod, and I'm trying to troubleshoot it02:27
dmcgloneshocking02:27
dmcglonelol02:27
canthus13Cheri703: did you try a hammer?02:27
canthus13:)02:27
dmcglonethere ya go canthus1302:27
canthus13Cheri703: What's up with it?02:27
dmcglonecanthus13: it's apple, what else you need to know02:28
Unit193rockbox?02:28
canthus13dmcglone: :P02:28
canthus13Unit193: I don't think rockbox will run on a video iPod.02:28
dmcgloneyou mean "crackbox" Unit19302:28
Cheri703it a. has a short battery life, which is fixable (new battery $25 online), b. it does something strange where it'll cut out and/or freeze up, so no buttons can be pushed02:28
Unit193rockbox f/w02:29
Cheri703what I'm trying to figure out is if this is a symptom of the battery getting low02:29
canthus13Cheri703: Any firmware updates available?02:29
Cheri703it gets sluggish02:29
Cheri703hmm...good question02:29
Cheri703will check02:29
canthus13But yeah, could be a low voltage condition caused by the low battery.02:29
canthus13I'd fix the battery before doing any updates.02:29
Cheri703hmm...ok02:29
Cheri703why not update and then see?02:29
canthus13Because the update might go bad because of the battery.02:30
dmcgloneI agree, my laptop acts that way sometimes and the batter will not hold a charge at all02:30
Cheri703well, I can plug it in02:30
canthus13Does it crash when plugged in?02:30
dmcglonedo you get the same symptoms when plugged/02:30
canthus13oh. spend the couple of bucks on the case tool for the ipod, too.02:31
Cheri703yeah, the $25 kit comes with the tool02:31
dmcglonewith my laptop, if I don't remove the battery completly, I still get the same symptoms when it's plugged in, so thats a thought02:32
Unit193Ipod nano?02:32
Cheri703he is saying it didn't do it while plugged in at first, but now it does02:32
Cheri7035th generation video ipod, 30gb02:32
Cheri703so we want to fix it :)02:32
dmcglonetry plugging it in without the battery02:32
Cheri703guy at my brother's job gave it to him02:32
Cheri703battery is internal02:32
dmcgloneit's still worth a shot02:32
Cheri703I don't want to be popping it open without the tool02:33
dmcgloneAh02:33
Cheri703and I want to make sure that paying for/replacing the battery will fix it, and I won't have the tool til I do that...02:33
dmcglonewell, sounds like your screw** (hey just speaking my mind) ;-)02:34
dmcglonelol02:34
Cheri703well, we'll see, I'll poke at it02:34
Cheri703IF I tried rockbox on it, is it possible to put back on the original firmware?02:34
canthus13Yep.02:35
Unit193canthus13: You use it?02:35
Cheri703ok, might try it at some point, we'll see02:35
canthus13It sets it up to dual boot.02:35
Cheri703nice02:35
canthus13Unit193: No... I have a Creative ZEN Vision:M... No working rockbox available. :(02:35
dmcglonedo you have to download the rockbox?02:35
Unit193Sansa Fuze V102:35
canthus13dmcglone: Nah. you will it into the player with your mind.02:35
dmcgloneLOL canthus13 I'm talking about downloading rockbox on the ipod02:36
dmcgloneor do you download it to a computer then transfer it?02:36
dmcglonenone of the above? all of the above? I'm just crazy?02:37
canthus13It seems to vary depending on the device.02:37
Unit193The Rockbox Utility runs on Linux02:37
dmcgloneI see02:38
Unit193I can use my MP3 player as a HID :)02:40
* canthus13 uses his mp3 player as a paperweight, mostly.02:41
canthus13Any time I can listen to music, I have my laptop. Why bother with the MP3 player?02:42
dmcgloneI don't listen to music very often. I've got 3 kids so when it's quiet enough to listen, all I want is silence02:43
canthus13Woohoo. Woot-off!02:44
canthus13I wish I had checked earlier.02:44
dmcgloneI know I could take off my hearing aid, but heaven forbid someone chokes02:44
Unit193I don't have a fully working laptop02:44
canthus13dmcglone: Heh.02:44
dmcglonethen the only music I'll be hearing is funeral music ;-)02:44
dmcgloneis there a way to drag windows to another desktop without using compiz?02:47
canthus13yeah. drag 'em.  Or ctrl-alt-shift-<arrow> to move it one desktop at a time.02:47
dmcglonewhen I drag windows to a screen edge, it won't switch desktops02:48
canthus13dmcglone: can you switch to the next desktop and finish dragging it?02:48
dmcglone:-( that don't work02:49
dmcgloneyeah it does02:49
dmcgloneI was looking on the wrong desktop for the other half02:50
canthus13Heh.02:50
dmcglonesee told ya I should have been a blonde02:50
dmcglonenow wait a second, it's not working02:51
dmcgloneI take that back02:51
Unit193Would a UHour get axed for snow?02:51
canthus13Only if it's more than 11 feet.02:51
canthus13or something like that.02:52
Unit193If you can make it then come type of thing02:52
Cheri703Unit193: unless my truck can't get there (and I was sliding around coming up the hill on my way home), then I'll be there :)02:52
Cheri703I ALWAYS forget how to run a program that arrives as a .tar.bz2 >.<02:59
canthus13Extract it first.02:59
canthus13Archive manager. :)02:59
Cheri703did that02:59
canthus13No readme?03:00
Cheri703nope03:00
canthus13Hmm.03:01
Cheri703it is the rockbox install utility03:01
Cheri703husband said he's up for attempting it03:01
canthus13Yep.03:01
canthus13Think so.. I'd check the instructions, make sure that particular iPod is supported first.03:02
Cheri703it is03:02
Cheri703I can't remember the terminal command to run an "unknown file type" or whatever03:03
Cheri703it's the linux 32 bit version on their website03:03
Cheri703just fyi03:03
canthus13chmod +x <file>03:03
canthus13then ./<file>03:03
Unit193http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/IpodPort03:03
Cheri703ahhhh03:03
dmcgloneI just had a hard lockup again03:03
Cheri703I even thought of that -_- changing it to executable and then forgot by the time it was extracted >.<03:03
Cheri703well, it is marked executable :/03:04
Cheri703dang it03:04
dmcglonewhats >.< ?03:04
Cheri703squinting in frustration03:04
dmcgloneand how did you get get the previous one?03:04
dmcglonedvorak?03:05
Cheri703..?03:05
dmcglonethe one with the 3 lines03:05
Cheri703oh, -_- ?03:06
dmcgloneyeah03:06
Cheri703hyphen underscore hyphen03:06
canthus13dash underscore dash03:06
Cheri703HYPHEN03:06
Cheri703not dash03:06
Cheri703>:O03:06
dmcgloneAh03:06
Unit193dash....03:06
dmcglonethey both look the same03:06
Cheri703a name with a - in the middle is hyphenated, with a HYPHEN03:07
Cheri703only a dash if you're doing morse code03:07
Cheri703only a minus if you're doing math03:07
canthus13Meh.03:07
* Cheri703 doesn't really care, just annoyed with this program 03:07
canthus13dash is the most efficient to type. :)03:07
Cheri703:/03:07
Cheri703I do not know how to run it :(03:08
Cheri703dmcglone: some people use >_< or -.-03:08
dmcgloneCheri703: run it using ./03:08
Cheri703or if they're doing/saying shady things, they use:03:08
Cheri703>.>03:08
Cheri703<,<03:08
Cheri703* <.<03:09
Cheri703like they're looking around with shifty eyes03:09
Cheri703I did that I think, will try again03:09
dmcgloneif that don't work use sh03:09
dmcglonesh ./<filename>03:09
Cheri703I'm getting a permission denied, even with a sudo03:10
dmcglonethen sudo chmod 777 <filename>03:10
Cheri703sh gives me a syntax error ( unexpected03:10
Cheri703ok03:10
dmcglonethen sudo chown cheri.cheri <filename>03:10
canthus1375503:10
canthus13Shouldn't 777 anything.03:10
dmcglone755 will do, but we need to rule out permission problems03:11
Cheri703still permission denied on everything03:11
Cheri703on all variants03:11
dmcgloneif it works we can change it to 75503:11
dmcglonewhere did you put the file at Cheri703?03:11
Cheri703 /downloads03:12
Cheri703but it's on a secondary partition, but I have permissions for everything afaik03:12
Cheri703will move it and try again03:12
dmcgloneis that file owned by you?03:12
dmcgloneAh03:12
dmcglonethats the problem03:12
Cheri703it was/is owned, so is the partition03:12
Cheri703>.< now it's going03:13
Cheri703sorry boys03:13
dmcglonesee03:13
dmcglone:-)03:13
dmcgloneCheri703: is the secondary partition vfat?03:13
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Cheri703no, all ext4 I believe03:14
dmcglonewhat does your fstab file line for that partition look like?03:14
Cheri703uhm, I dunno03:15
Cheri703I'll worry about it another time, onto rockbox!03:15
Cheri703:D03:15
dmcglonetype cat /etc/fstab in terminal03:15
Cheri703k03:15
Cheri703/dev/sda6                                  /media/TeoStorage  ext4  users,user           0  003:16
dmcglonemake it look like this: /dev/sdb8 /home/david/www ext4 user,auto 0 003:16
Cheri703so user, auto instead of users,uxer03:17
dmcgloneyes.03:17
dmcglonemake sure you unmount the partition first03:18
Cheri703k, will that still let it automount when I restart?03:19
Cheri703(that's how it was set)03:19
dmcglonethats what the "auto" is03:19
Cheri703ok, it automounted before03:19
dmcgloneit will still auto mount03:19
Cheri703k03:20
dmcglonethe "user" is to give all permissions to the user03:20
Cheri703k03:20
dmcgloneyou need to unmount it as root and mount it as user now03:21
canthus13sudo mount -a03:21
canthus13Should do it correctly iirc.03:22
Cheri703wait, what?03:22
dmcglonesudo umount /media/TeoStorage then, mount /media/TeoStorage03:22
dmcgloneto have full permissions as user, the user needs to mount the partition, not root03:23
dmcgloneotherwise you will always have the problem like you did earlier03:23
Cheri703ok03:24
dmcglonenow when you run scripts from that partition, they should run splendidly :-)03:25
Cheri703ok, awesome, thanks :)03:25
Cheri703wow I hate apple even more now03:28
dmcglonehaha03:28
Unit193Why?03:28
dmcgloneUnit193: ????03:29
Cheri703so in theory, I could just take the music and plop it into a different folder, accessible by rockbox, yes?03:29
Unit193dmcglone: Only used mu cousin laptop and old h/w03:29
Cheri703THEY MAKE THE NAMES/FOLDERS GIBBERISH SO YOU CAN'T TELL WHAT IT IS! even non-drm'd music, crap husband put on it outside of itunes03:29
dmcglonedon't take it out on your husband ;-)03:30
Cheri703some modest mouse song (I know because I listened) is in folder F49 and titled: GOKB.mp303:30
Unit193Holy crap....03:30
Cheri703FREAKING APPLE! so now he's going to have to RE transfer 15+gb of music >.<03:30
Unit193I have never used itunes03:31
Unit193never will03:31
Unit193Songbird03:31
Cheri703this wasn't even using itunes03:31
Unit193YEAH!!!!03:32
Cheri703oh, he did use itunes >.<03:32
Unit193Got PocketPutty to SSH into my router!!! (key and all)03:32
Cheri703very cool03:34
Unit193Very!03:35
Unit193You got Rockbox on?03:36
Cheri703yup03:37
Cheri703we're poking at it now03:37
dmcgloneIf I have 2 monitors running @ 1024x768 and I want wall paper that will stretch all the way across, what would I look for?03:38
canthus13Really wide wallpaper.03:38
dmcglonelol03:38
canthus132048x76803:38
* canthus13 thinks gcalctool coulda figured out that one...03:39
dmcgloneok03:39
jacobor 2048xWhatever and crop it03:39
dmcgloneI didn't know if I double the first or second number03:39
jacobWidth x Height03:39
dmcgloneI'm used to L x W03:39
canthus13dmcglone: Oh. yeah. it's always width x height03:40
dmcglonesee03:40
dmcgloneLOL03:40
dmcgloneOk03:40
* dmcglone has done lost all sanity these days03:40
jacobx, y, z. x => width, y => height, z => depth, so there's your ordering03:42
dmcglonejust confuse me more than what I'm already ;-)03:43
BiosElementWoot for elections being done. ^_^04:02
* BiosElement sends paultag cookies for remembering to finish it :P04:02
* Cheri703 is planning to make cookies this weekend :)04:04
dmcglonee-mail some to me please04:06
dmcgloneI'm going to go get on the laptop04:07
BiosElementUgh, seems a project of mine is gonna be taking my desktop apart to figure out which fan is making this noise. >.>04:14
Cheri703we got an awesome replacement fan (probably really common, but first one I'd seen like it), it had the 3 pin connector, but also a 4pin like ide hdd's04:17
BiosElementHah awesome. Yeah I've needed to strip this thing down and clean it out for ages now, but naturally as long as it works I don't find the time. :P I just need to make time to fix things up nicely. It needs dusted out anyway04:18
dmcglone1BiosElement: aren't you afraid it'll overheat and burn up from all that dust?04:26
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BiosElementdmcglone1, haha, if you saw my case you'd understand why I'm not worried about that. :P I just like to keep it clean and working well. ^_^04:26
* Cheri703 's old desktop has no sides on it04:28
dmcglone1you said you have needed to clean it out for ages04:28
BiosElementlol, true. About 4 months is ages in my books ;P04:28
dmcglone1I don't have the face plate on my desktop04:29
BiosElementHeh04:29
dmcglone1I accidentally hot glued the CD rom doors shut LOL04:29
Unit193PPCnice one!04:30
BiosElementOuch04:30
Cheri703how do you accidentally hot glue that?04:30
Unit193PPCmine randomly pop open...04:30
dmcglone1my case has like glass under the cd rom doors that light up, well one of them snapped out and I glued it back in along with the cd rom doors04:31
Cheri703ah04:31
dmcglone1I'm looking for a picture to better explain LOL04:32
dmcglone1so y'all don't think I'm a freak ;-)04:32
Cheri703mmhm04:33
BiosElementToo late, we already know you are04:33
dmcglone1http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.krunker.com/wp-content/HPMediaCenterPC7070nPhotosmartPC.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.krunker.com/2005/06/29/hp-media-center-pc-7070n-photosmart-pc/&h=326&w=275&sz=21&tbnid=Tz3GwPVUPbxAFM:&tbnh=118&tbnw=100&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhp%2Bmedia%2Bcenter%2Bpc%2Bimages&zoom=1&q=hp+media+center+pc+images&hl=en&usg=__Cx9cR8G5Vvpk5jMuv9V27iC26OA=&sa=X&ei=PSH3TK2tOY7oOf-gwMwI&sqi=2&ved=0CCEQ9QEw04:33
dmcglone1dang that was a LOOOOONNNNGGGG URL04:33
BiosElementlol04:33
Cheri703hooray google image links!04:34
BiosElementHere's my insane case: http://www.silverstonetek.com/products/p_contents.php?pno=tj07&area=usa04:35
BiosElement>.>04:35
BiosElementSpent more on that case then any single other part I think04:35
dmcglone1anyway, if you look at the little black windows built into the cdrom doors, them are lights04:35
Cheri703that is ridiculous BiosElement04:36
dmcglone1BiosElement: did you custom build yours?04:36
BiosElementCheri703, Yes I know. ^_^04:36
BiosElementdmcglone1, Darn right I did. >.<04:36
Cheri703when I build a new computer, I will be getting the cheapest case that suits my needs04:36
BiosElementThus the huge case. I wanted room to work and expand without having to ditch my case heh04:37
Cheri703makes sense04:37
dmcglone1I would, but I don't see the point because a high end processor costs the same amount as an equivalent already built04:37
Cheri703depends on where you get it, what you need, and the quality of the other parts04:38
BiosElementIt was my first build and I knew I wanted to keep the case and just build on as I went so I figured it best to get a really easy to mess with case. I don't slice my fingers on it, it's easy to work in and a PITA to move so it's also rather difficult to steal :P04:38
BiosElementdmcglone1, newegg, newegg, newegg. Just sit and watch for good deals04:38
dmcglone1I see04:39
BiosElementdmcglone1, I built this a couple years ago that could basically run any game on the market for just under 1200 and that was with me wasting money on the case, a screen and a couple other things. >.>04:40
BiosElementAnd that wasn't an attempt at a budget gaming rig. I just wanted something that I wouldn't have to mess with for a bit04:40
dmcglone1what processor did you go with?04:41
BiosElementAt the time an Intel 2.4Ghz Duel was the most cost effective. The price point jumped about $200 to 2.6Ghz. There's usually a pretty clear sweet point in price vs. performance04:42
dmcglone1true04:42
dmcglone1should have went with an AMD ;-004:42
* Cheri703 will go amd 04:43
BiosElementlol I've had a bad history with AMD. Anyway from the little I understand Intel's are better for tons of processes04:43
* Unit193 had amd04:43
BiosElementHeck dmcglone1 2.93Ghz Duel Core Intel is just $120. Not a bad deal. Though honestly I'd go for a newer-gen rather then blow 120 on that at this point.04:44
dmcglone1I agree, and thats where they get you04:45
dmcglone1I have never owned an Intel04:45
dmcglone1I once had an intel integrated graphics card, it was crappy04:46
BiosElementThose are always crappy04:46
BiosElement>.>04:46
dmcglone1I stick with ATI04:47
dmcglone1Cheri703: which do you prefer?04:48
* BiosElement is glad he doesnt have to mess with hardware often >.>04:48
Cheri703I currently have intel and ati, and probably will go amd and nvidia in the future :/04:48
dmcglone1Unit193: "had" does that mean you will not use again?04:48
Unit193That is a typo :( current main has it (not that good of one)04:49
dmcglone1Cheri703: why nvidia?04:49
dmcglone1Unit193: I see. what processor is it?04:50
Cheri703in theory it has less issues with linux and has better driver compatibility04:50
BiosElementBecause nvidia kicks ass ;)04:50
Cheri703for example: my (admittedly old) ati card works perfectly under 10.04, 10.10 completely breaks it.04:50
dmcglone1I've never experienced nvidia. maybe i'll try one in the future04:50
dmcglone1both my ATI cards work fine with 10.1004:51
BiosElementSo far I've had perfect luck with 3 nvidia cards04:51
dmcglone1well in that case, my next will be nvidia04:52
Cheri703I picked up a used nvidia card, but it was jacked up, so I had to return it04:52
BiosElementHeh I'd only suggest googling to make sure, but I've yet to have one that didnt and I only checked to make sure one worked :P04:52
dmcglone1well now you don't sound too confident on backing nvidia04:53
dmcglone1:-p04:53
BiosElementLOL I won't back 'any' one hands down :P04:54
BiosElementAnymore though both ATI/Nvidia are doing pretty good linux support wise04:54
dmcglone1so now the story changes ;-)04:54
dmcglone1lol04:55
BiosElementhaha04:55
BiosElementI'm actually glad they're both keeping up and paying attention to linux users. It's kinda cool what both of them are doing.04:55
dmcglone1I may be losing my mind, but I've still got my wits ;-)04:56
Cheri703I will start with onboard video, THEN upgrade from there04:56
Cheri703my video needs won't be very high, and I like having a backup option04:57
dmcglone1BiosElement: I agree. years ago, just getting X to work was a job04:57
BiosElementHmm...seems wikileaks founder Assange is in hiding from Interpol. >.>04:57
Cheri703is it just me or does he look like a pedophile?04:58
BiosElementlol he just looks pale04:58
dmcglone1where is this story BiosElement?04:58
BiosElementHe looks odd but then so do lots of smart people. >.<04:58
Cheri703his hair bothers me as well04:58
BiosElementdmcglone1, http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/12/01/AR2010120106323.html04:58
canthus13Assange is a cretin.04:58
BiosElementlol, I find it funny how Sweden is yet again chasing after an international dude with a really iffy case04:59
canthus13Making a safe haven for whistleblowers is one thing.  Dumping huge numbers of state secrets, etc is something completely different.04:59
BiosElementFirst TPB where they had paper-thin charges and now Assage for a previousally finished case. >.<04:59
* canthus13 wouldn't be surprised if some embarrassed government had him killed.04:59
Cheri703canthus13: there is a degree of transparency that is needed, and has been ignored for a LONG time05:00
BiosElementcanthus13, Eh, I figure he gave them a chance. I'm perfectly willing to support someone doing it because if it wasn't him it'd be someone else for sure.05:00
* Cheri703 is undecided on the wikileaks topic, even though he looks like a greasy pedo05:00
BiosElementcanthus13, I don't dispute it's very morally ambigious but still I feel strongly that it's something that should have been done.05:00
BiosElementCheri703, Hah05:01
Unit193dmcglone1: AMD Athlon 3800+ 2.40GHz05:02
BiosElementOh and BTW Amazon stopped hosting wikileaks without a court order. So +1 for their censorship. >.> They could at least have had a backbone enough to make them get a court order like they would for pretty much anything else. >.>05:03
Cheri703yeah, I saw that one05:03
canthus13BiosElement: There was no reason for it other than to cause chaos.  None of these documents served any purpose other than stirring up trouble. I mean, seriously.  Posting memos about petty insults from french diplomats? seriously?05:03
BiosElementcanthus13, There were more important things in there then what the press picks up on05:04
BiosElementcanthus13, You gotta remember, the amount of info is huge. No single person could read through it all.05:04
canthus13BiosElement: Exactly. Including him. again, this amounted to nothing more than a petty little jerk craving more media attention.05:04
canthus13There *will* be fallout from this, none of it good or productive.05:05
BiosElementcanthus13, He's not the kind of guy who wants media attention to begin with. Hell, he's avoiding media and rarely even appeared in-person even way before all this media coverage.05:05
BiosElementAs for fallout, thats for time to tell. But it's also a rare insight to closed-door discussions that, while sometimes important to be secret, can also reveal major flaws with the system when reviewed by the general public. In in ideal would it wouldn't matter but sadly the world isn't ideal. :|05:06
dmcglone1wonder how he got a hold of these documents05:08
BiosElementdmcglone1, This batch? From a low-level intel operative apparently.05:08
dmcglone1I wonder if he does any hacking to get some of his stuff05:09
canthus13BiosElement: what is surprising is to see China take a relatively pro-US stance on this.05:09
BiosElementdmcglone1, No, not really. If there was even a spec of that, US would claim it. :P05:09
BiosElementcanthus13, I've always thought China was progressing in a positive direction.05:10
BiosElementcanthus13, Possibly thought tobe 'former U.S. Army intelligence analyst in Iraq'05:11
BiosElementSame guy who leaked a ton of other stuff a year or two ago apparently05:11
dmcglone1Ok well I'ma gonna hit the hay. I'll catch up with y'all tomorrow05:13
BiosElementNight dmcglone105:13
dmcglone1Night05:13
BiosElementActually I thinlk I'm off to sleep too, getting a bit late since apparently a friend is staying the night at 6 >.>05:13
paultagAnyone here a networking guy?05:57
paultagcan someone review something for me ( providing you shut up about it ) ?05:58
* Cheri703 is a wee bit of a networking woman05:58
paultagCheri703, can you take a look at something and keep it quiet?05:58
* canthus13 is.05:58
paultagcanthus13, you too?05:58
canthus13Majored in it.05:58
Cheri703sure05:58
Cheri703canthus13: might be a more reliable source05:58
paultagya'll let me know what you think05:58
Cheri703thaaaat'd be a canthus13 question...05:59
Cheri703but yeah, looks like it to me05:59
paultagdamn.05:59
paultagthanks Cheri703 :)05:59
canthus13paultag: I'ma confirm your results tomorrow..06:20
deejoe?11:05
paultagcanthus13, let me know what you find12:23
paultagdeejoe, I'll make this all public as soon as I hear back from who this is all about12:23
paultagdeejoe, I want to let them try and deal with this, first12:23
deejoefair enough12:24
deejoea commendable approach12:24
paultagdeejoe, it's really really serious, so I need to let them have a swing at it12:26
paultagdeejoe, I filed a support ticket, I'll see what they say to that12:26
paultagif they fluff me off, I'm spreading this like crazy12:26
deejoeyou and Julian Assange, baby12:27
paultaghahahahaha12:29
paultagdeejoe, if a wiseass just-a-bit-older-then-a-fucking-teenager can figure this crap out, it's for shit sure someone else has12:29
canthus13paultag: Oh. they have.  Nobody that I've found has dug into it the same way, but it's been mumbled about on a few blogs.12:31
* canthus13 did a little digging last night before bed.12:32
paultagcanthus13, It's just as bad as using telnet nowadays, I mean, really.12:32
paultagcanthus13, yeah?12:32
paultagcanthus13, what did you end up finding?12:32
canthus13Yup.12:32
canthus13paultag: people pointing at the API documentation and passing mentions of it. nothing specific, and no packet captures that I could find.12:33
paultagcanthus13, you'd think with such a large userbase someone out there would be ticked off12:33
canthus13Apparently not yet.  We should definitely make as much noise as possible about it, becuase it seems to be commonplace in the top 1000 sites.12:34
paultagcanthus13, +112:34
paultagBRB, class12:44
paultagmuch love12:44
Cheri703hello folks15:44
TheErkhola16:37
Cheri703hi16:38
TheErkHey, how are you doing?16:53
thafreakIs there a city I can move to, where an announcement that a new form of life was discovered, DOESN'T get over shadowed by the fact that LeBron is in town?16:53
Cheri703I'm alright16:57
Cheri703ha, nice thafreak16:57
Cheri703I don't have tv service, so I have no idea of local current events...I just find the news online :)16:58
paultagcanthus13, prod17:07
thafreakI don't watch tv either...but it's all anyone seems to be talking about on facebook17:09
* thafreak thinks it's time to start dropping facebook friends...17:09
deejoethafreak: thanks for mentioning that, I hadn't seen it yet17:09
deejoethat's some way-cool stuff, perhaps the most interesting thing in biology I've seen in . . . i don't know.17:10
deejoehard to compare17:10
thafreakEven NPR this morning...it was all cavs crap17:10
deejoeif indeed this thing uses arsenate through and through instead of phosphate, that's fucking huge17:10
deejoemind-blowingly huge17:10
thafreakI know17:10
thafreakNASA to hold pres conference live at 2pm today17:10
thafreakit's on my calendar...17:11
thafreakhttp://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/nov/HQ_M10-167_Astrobiology.html17:11
thafreaklink to their live streaming video is on there17:11
deejoehttp://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/eureka/article7040864.ece <- from March17:11
thafreaknice17:12
deejoeholy carp17:12
deejoeso they haven't even done the announcement yet17:12
thafreakI guess they leaked info early17:13
thafreakthey put that advisory out a few days ago...17:13
thafreakI still want to watch the actual press conference17:14
deejoewell, the link from March indicates what its about.17:14
deejoeI think the very fact of a press conference suggests "they found what they're looking for"17:14
paultagOh shit17:33
paultagwhen's the NASA press release?17:34
paultagCRAP!!! I have class @ 2!17:34
paultagCRAP!17:34
deejoepaultag: no worries, mang.17:36
paultag:)17:36
deejoeif it's what we think it is, its probably been that way for <sagan voice>billions and billions of years</sagan voice>17:37
paultaghahaha17:37
deejoeit'll wait :-)17:37
paultagyes, but it's not often we get to hear it from NASA17:37
deejoewell, ok, maybe only millions and millions17:37
deejoeI sort of lose track after 7 or 8 orders of magnitude17:37
deejoehave to take my shoes and socks off and everything17:38
paultagdeejoe, guesses speculate that they found life that's based on arsenic instead of the traditional organic materials17:38
deejoearsenic instead of phosphorus17:38
paultagahha17:38
deejoeif it's complete replacement, that's still massively huge17:38
paultagsucks we can't kill them and eat them17:38
paultagthat was me being sarcastic17:39
deejoeall DNA has phosphorus, for a very boring and still monumental example17:39
paultagdeejoe, yeah, I really want to watch it17:39
paultagdeejoe, +117:39
deejoeRNA is already more weird and more cool than anyone imagined17:39
deejoeif there's a version of it with arsenic in it, whoo boy17:39
deejoehttp://www.nature.com/news/2010/101202/full/news.2010.645.html17:46
deejoelooks like someone broke the embargo17:46
paultagdeejoe, awwwww, that was found in CA, not outerspace17:49
deejoeoh, there's a difference?17:50
deejoesorry, i thought that bit was clear already17:50
deejoethe NASA funded researchers have been working with stuff from Mono Lake17:50
paultagheyo!17:50
paultagdeejoe, ahha17:50
paultagdeejoe, can't wait to see where this goes17:51
deejoelike she says at the bottom of the Nature paper:  There's at least 30 years worth a work here, now.17:52
deejoeit's very likely a new field17:52
deejoewell, a great big new place in several fields, at least17:52
canthus13paultag: eh?17:54
paultagcanthus13, heard back from tumblr -- http://blog.pault.ag/post/2068245252/um-is-it-just-me-or-is-tumblr-sending-passwords-in17:55
canthus13Ok. Much better. :)17:56
TheErkHowdy peeps17:56
deejoepaultag: ITYM "URL" at the top of that there, instead of "UR"17:56
paultagdeejoe, oh, good catch. Oh well, I guess UR works as well17:57
deejoeit does?17:57
canthus13paultag: I gather the post is public now.17:57
paultagHumm. Might be hard to justify that deejoe. true17:58
paultagcanthus13, yeah17:58
canthus13ok.  I'm off to work.17:58
paultagcanthus13, they have an ssl gateway17:58
paultagcanthus13, righto, cheers. Tell your wife to use https :)17:58
paultagdeejoe, fixed, thanks :)17:59
deejoeas alway, np, hth, hand, aeiou17:59
paultag:)18:00
paultagdeejoe, hand :)18:00
* Cheri703 is doing busy work today >.<18:01
canthus13collating, stapling, copying?18:02
deejoefold, spindle, mutilate18:02
Cheri703no, scanning HUNDREDS of business cards into an ocr program, proofreading and verifying them18:02
Cheri703boss wanted me to do it on the friday after thanksgiving, I didn't because she's insane, I'm doing it today because I didn't want to go out anywhere (and have a justification ready for her), and I kind of hate her :/ she's had these for MONTHS, and she had said she'd have her kids do it, but...nope18:03
Cheri703I get to because I'm the pee-on...and she's crazy. :/18:04
Cheri703and a lot of people think they're clever by using crappy fonts, so I get to type it all in18:04
Cheri703>.<18:04
Unit193Is it a card scanner? or flatbed?18:15
Cheri703card scanner, so that helps, but I have to edit a LOT18:16
Cheri703and it takes quite a while to process them (luckily I can do it in batches, but still18:16
canthus13Cheri703: Hide a salmon steak under the driver's seat of her car.18:49
Cheri703might18:50
canthus13Or just an open can of tuna.18:51
Cheri703well, my current plan is "quit at the end of january, unless they agree to a remotely legal contract, and leave them TOTALLY SCREWED" :)18:52
Cheri703*end of december18:52
canthus13Hope you have something else lined up. (Speedway pays about the same... :(18:52
canthus13Otherwise, I'll let you know if we have something opening here.18:53
Cheri703well, I will have basically a month and a half of pay left, so I'll be good til mid feb if I have to18:53
TheErkI could use a french maid18:53
canthus13Ok.18:54
* canthus13 straps on a black dress and ruffled skirt.18:54
thafreakwho couldn't18:54
canthus13When do I start?18:54
TheErkImmediatley.. pick up that bar of soap.18:54
canthus13Heh.18:55
TheErkdude, after the relationship i just got out of the idea of being gay does not bother me at all18:57
Cheri703http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333776/Spanish-woman-Angeles-Duran-claims-owns-sun--plans-start-charging-ALL-users.html19:46
canthus13Cheri703: I'm suing her for my sunburn last summer.19:52
Cheri703definitely19:52
Cheri703sun poisoning, melanoma19:52
Cheri703etc19:52
canthus13And the faded paint on my car.19:52
Cheri703all medical bills19:52
Cheri703ruined crops19:52
canthus13Drought.19:54
canthus13Damaged Satellites...19:54
thafreakShe thinks she's smart cause "no one else thought about doing it"...maybe other people did, and then realized they'd be liable for damages20:11
thafreakLOL21:14
thafreakhttp://theinternettoday.net/news/fox-news-publishes-article-from-the-onion-as-real-news-then-removes-it-after-they-are-called-out/21:15
BiosElementE-P-I-C Fail21:44
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thafreakUGH!! Seriously....my school is offering a mobile app development class...but they're doing it on the iphone SDK...FULL OF LAME!21:54
thafreakThey had to get a lab with imacs in it just so people taking the class can do the work21:54
thafreakwhy the f**k not just use android! I mean seriously!21:54
Unit193I just got a 1TB HD in the mail!21:55
Cheri703thafreak: that sucks, Unit193: that's awesome :D21:55
Cheri703are you coming tonight Unit193?21:56
Unit193Still plan to (Mom will come for a bit)21:56
Cheri703very cool :)21:56
Cheri703Unit193: are you there?23:17
* Cheri703 was a few minutes late and Unit193 isn't here :( don't know if I missed him, or if he's late too :/23:18
Cheri703he's here, woo! a "more than one person" ubuntu hour! :D23:20
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