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jgouldok, I just got confused about something00:33
jgouldI downloaded Xubuntu 10.04-desktop.iso.  About:home says I've got 9.04 installed...  What am I missing?00:34
charlie-tcajgould, please open a termina and type     lsb_release -a00:35
charlie-tcahit enter00:35
charlie-tcaWhat does it say00:35
jgould10.04.100:36
charlie-tcaThat is what you have, then. Did you install Ubuntu and then xubuntu-desktop?00:36
jgouldI did and then really broke it so I reinstalled using Xubuntu00:37
charlie-tcaIt might be just the docs out of date00:37
charlie-tcaBut you do not have 9.04 installed00:37
jgouldThat's what I'm thinking now00:37
jgouldNow to figure out how I got this stupid trackpad fixed in Ubuntu before I messed it up royally00:38
jgouldAlso to figure out why the xfce install on the machine that is running ubuntu actually looks different...00:44
jgouldwhy the hell do they look different...00:54
jgouldMy Xubuntu install is more gnomeish than I'd like01:02
mrangry`is there support for the Netgear WG311v3?01:08
mrangry`in the live CD01:08
xubuntu954hey :)01:12
jgouldok, failing a way to make this work the way I want to, I'll use the alternate installer and manually add packages until I have ti set up the way I want01:25
jgouldI'm sure there is an easier way, but this is how I'm picturing it now01:27
charlie-tcamrangry`, that would be answered easiest by trying it. It is a live cd, so you don't have install it01:29
mrangry`I did. I was just wondering if I missed the big shiny button that said "Enable wireless card"01:44
mrangry`or something01:44
charlie-tcaicon in the top right for network-manager?01:45
mrangry`hmm01:49
DylanCHAny smart people listening?  I'd like to see if I can get some assistance with an issue I posted at ubuntuforums.org  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10174877#post1017487702:50
jgouldrsync?02:51
jgouldand may I ask why not just use Ubuntu server as there is no real need for a GUI?02:52
DylanCHThats what I have found the most information about...and it seems the likely solution, but I'm not sure if its possible to do the wake-sync-sleep operation all from one script.02:53
charlie-tcajgould, are you reinstalling or do you want to try cleaning up what you got?02:53
DylanCHI considered server...but I still need the GUI.  Not quite handy enough with command line to get it all done that way.02:54
jgouldI'm reinstalling.  Also running a few other things through my head. depening on how this goes I may change how I'm doing everything02:54
charlie-tcaOkay. good luck with it. I hope it goes better this time around02:55
jgouldthank you02:56
jgouldI'm also debating on putting server on the server or just pulling the large drive and putting it in an enclosure on the mac mini... (which is running 10.04 LTS)02:57
DylanCHjgould- is it possible to wake xubuntu based on a schedule like I am considering?02:59
jgouldNo idea.  I'm actually making the switch to a *nix based OS as my primary slowly..03:00
DylanCHwhat about the mac mini...OS X is unix.  Or are you looking more open source?03:01
jgouldmore open source and the machines do better with Ubuntu (or a derivate than OS X03:03
jgouldhmmm03:04
jgouldHmm....  Using the alternate installer got me gnome...03:08
jgouldAlso, DylanCH OS X is *not* unix, it's a very modified BSD derivative.  Samba doesn't even put things in the same spots...03:13
jgouldok.  If I remove all of the gnome-* packages, will that remove gnome?03:15
DylanCHhow much gnome did you get?  just the basic desktop environment or the whole standard 'desktop' package with openoffice etc.?03:17
jgouldThe whole darn thing03:17
charlie-tcajgould, you got the wrong image file03:18
charlie-tcasee this link03:19
charlie-tca!purexfce03:19
ubottuIf you want to remove all !KDE and !Gnome packages and have a default !Xubuntu system follow the instructions here « http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce »03:19
charlie-tcaThat tells how to remove gnome and have Xubuntu03:19
DylanCHWhile I was playing with server i installed all the standard desktop software (gnome, openoffice, etc.) with the "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"  You might be able to remove that package and take all the dependancies with it03:20
jgouldThat's what I did last night and I lost my networking as a result03:20
jgouldthe link from ChanServ harl03:20
jgoulder03:20
jgouldcharlie-tca,03:20
jgouldAlso, I want the desktop that Xfce provides (the actual layout) not the gnome styled one of Xubuntu03:22
charlie-tcaDylanCH, -desktop is a meta package. It pulls in everything needed for that desktop, but when removing, it only removes itself03:23
charlie-tcajgould, that link for purexfce should do that03:24
charlie-tcaOh, no. You should then pick xfce-session from the login screen, at the bottom after hitting enter on your name.03:24
charlie-tcaYou might try picking xfce-session before going through all that03:25
jgouldI tried that and still had the bar at the top of the screen (applications, etc etc)03:25
charlie-tcaYou are going to have that panel. It is part of xfce03:26
charlie-tcaThat is the xfce4-panel03:26
jgouldNot when you install Xfce int's own03:26
jgouldI'm running it now on both machines and I have the same desktiop03:26
jgouldthe only panel I have is at the bottom03:26
charlie-tcaum, go into Applications -> Xfce settings -> Panel, and remove the top panel then03:27
charlie-tcabrb03:28
charlie-tcaOkay, back now03:40
charlie-tcajgould, did you find where to turn one panel off03:41
charlie-tca?03:41
jgouldis there something out there like pastebin but for images?03:43
jgouldThe default Xubuntu install looks like this: http://xubuntu.org/sites/default/files/karmic_shot_front_0.png03:46
jgouldI would like my xfce install to look like this: http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.6-7.png03:46
charlie-tcaWell, that's not running Xubuntu, is it?03:48
charlie-tcaIf it is, it has been highly modified03:48
jgouldif I install xfce under a Ubuntu install I get a desktop like the second image03:48
charlie-tcaYou can do that, but you will have to find the right things to add to the bottom panel, and turn off the top panel. Then there is the theme it is using to try and find in Appearance and in Window Manager03:49
charlie-tcaYou're installing xfce, not xubuntu then, right?03:49
jgouldGah! Why didn't I realize that...03:49
jgouldI've been out of touch with my Linux side...03:50
jgouldI've overlooked what I needed to do in the first place...03:50
charlie-tcaand that is probably xfce4.4?03:50
jgouldif the file name is any clue, it's 4.603:50
charlie-tcaWhen you upgrade to lucid, xfce will go to 4.6.2, and it will change again03:50
* jgould bashes his head into the desk03:51
charlie-tcaokay, then you might be okay when you upgrade. Karmic is no longer supported as of April 201103:51
charlie-tcabut, you can enjoy it for a while, anyway! :-)03:51
charlie-tcaMaybe in 5 months, your linux knowledge will be enough to make it look like that no matter what you install?03:52
jgouldI'm installing 10.04... Maybe03:52
jgouldMost of my experience goes back to Debian Potato... if that tells you anything at all03:53
charlie-tcaheh03:54
charlie-tcaIt will come. Things in Xubuntu are very customizable compared to Ubuntu. You can change almost everything03:54
jgouldOur router for our house at one point was a box running slackware.  I have no clue how I set that up03:54
charlie-tcahm, I resemble that remark03:55
jgouldHeh03:55
jgouldI don't even remember how I did it03:55
charlie-tcaYup, and the notes I keep I use again anyway03:56
jgouldI've never thought to keep notes03:57
jgouldI know that my home directory on the server is littered with config files that I've modified....03:58
jgouldwhich is how the server is limping along with an old smb.conf file right now03:59
charlie-tcanotes are not really helpful after a while. They just accumulate04:00
jgouldVery true04:01
charlie-tcaI have boxes of notes, if you want some04:01
charlie-tcaheh04:01
charlie-tcajust as much good to you as to me, I guess04:01
jgouldXD.  Or we can use them to keep warm04:02
jgouldok,  Under Xubuntu, this time, choosing Xfce Session gave me what I'm looking for... Heh04:07
charlie-tcahm, hadn't thought about using them for warmth. That is an idea04:09
jgould:)04:13
n2diyI just installed xsnow, but can't get it to display, ideas?04:55
n2diyHow can I tel which terminal I'm on, in X06:38
moetunesn2diy:  which terminal emulator you are using or which tty?06:39
Sysiecho $TERM06:39
Sysior well, that's just the variable given to programs06:40
n2diymoetunes: I'm not sure? the command to run xsnow is xnsow -display displayname.06:41
moetunesn2diy:  $DISPLAY   will tell what display you are using06:42
moetunesnormally :006:42
n2diymoetunes: roger, tnx.06:42
moetunesnp :)06:42
n2diymoetunes: this is not a normal case, it returns command not found.06:43
n2diysudo?06:44
moetunesn2diy:  did you have the dollar sign at the front?06:44
n2diymoetunes: yes, and sudo didn't work either.06:45
moetunesn2diy:  sorry my bad it is   echo $DISPLAY06:45
n2diymoetunes: ah...06:45
n2diymoetunes: ok, so xsnow -display :0.0 didn't work, but I was in xsnow's shell, so...06:48
moetunesn2diy:  I don't know the app xsnow - I'll have a quick google06:49
n2diymoetunes: good luck, I didn't have any luck.06:50
moetunesn2diy:  http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/353/xsnow-brings-christmas-to-your-desktop/06:51
moetunesn2diy:  I use www.google.com/linux for linux searches06:51
n2diymoetunes: your a magician! Didn't know about /linux on google. anyway, it should be open now, tnx.06:52
moetunesnp :)06:52
n2diymoetunes: well, xsnow won't play here, I've already tried those commands, and no go, the xsnow command puts me on a new line with a cursor, and I have to ctrl+z out of it?07:01
moetunesn2diy:  I'll give it a go here - one min07:01
n2diymoetunes: I'm going to switch to an other terminal, and try it without X. BRB07:02
moetunesk07:02
n2diymoetunes: that didn't work, duh, it couldn't find the X server! :)07:03
moetunesn2diy:  I used   xsnow -notrees -nosanta   and the snow settled on top of my terminal07:04
n2diymoetunes: I'll try it.07:04
moetunesn2diy:  I can't seem to not get snow - just using   xsnow   works too07:05
n2diymoetunes: nothing is working here?07:06
n2diymoetunes: any ideas how I could get help at the xsnow command prompt, -h and help don't work.07:06
moetunesn2diy:  I've tried to get the command prompt like you do - all I get is snow07:07
n2diymoetunes: I'm cursed, running three boxes and all are acting the same, two 10.04 and one 8.04 boxes.07:08
moetunesn2diy:  what vid cards? - maybe that plays a part, I have intel here07:09
n2diymoetunes: I'd have to check, nothing fancy, salvaged stuff. But I doubt it is a card issue, I was running xsnow on Mandrake 7.0 about nine years ago. The app is only 55x.07:11
moetunesn2diy:  you could try   nohup xsnow07:11
n2diymoetunes: yes i can.07:11
moetunesn2diy:  nothing in google about xsnow giving a prompt - can you posta screenshot of it?07:12
n2diymoetunes:  nohup xsnow returns : nohup: ignoring input and appending output to `nohup.out'07:13
moetunesn2diy:  I get the same here then it snows07:14
moetunesand santa in his sled travels slowly across the screen07:15
n2diymoetunes: ok, so what looks like a command prompt to me, is xsnow running, but not rendering correctly?07:16
Sysiit doesn't have anything like verbose or debug option?07:17
moetunesn2diy:  looks your normal prompt? - if that is the case xsnow doesn't run - it won't return to my prompt until I kill it with ctrl_c07:17
moetunesSysi:  nope07:18
n2diySysi: i didn't see any debug options, moetunes it looks like an old Vic-20 prompt, an upright rectangle.07:18
moetunesn2diy:  I can't get that here at all07:19
n2diyI have to ctrl + z to get back to a bash prompt, and it tells me xsnow was stopped.07:19
n2diymoetunes: did you just install xsnow? All three of my boxes were loaded with in the last two hours.07:21
moetunesn2diy:  try having a look at tty1 with ctrl+alt+F1 (alt+F7 to get back) - there might be output there07:22
moetunesn2diy:  just installed it07:22
Sysictrl z suspends running process on bash07:22
moetunesctrl+c should kill it properly07:23
n2diymoetunes: I'm not even logged in on tty1! I am on tty2 and nothing is there. So, the repo worked for you, hmm, what the hell is going on here?07:23
moetunesn2diy:  what does   which xsnow   return ?07:24
n2diymoetunes: /usr/games/xsnow07:25
moetunesn2diy:  that should be in your path - try   file /usr/games/xsnow   that shouldreturn elf and lots of other stuff07:26
n2diymoetunes: yes I get ELF 32 bit executable....07:28
moetunesn2diy:  it doesn't use much in the way of resources here so I can't guess what the issue is07:29
n2diymoetunes: permissions?07:29
moetunesit doesn't seem to clear its' memory use tho07:29
moetunesn2diy:  shouldn't think so07:29
moetunesn2diy:  have you tried from the run dialog   alt+F2   ?07:30
n2diymoetunes: no I haven't here goes07:32
n2diyNo, didn't work. even without santa and the trees.07:32
moetunesn2diy:  I might have found something - in terminal do killall -v xfdesktop  then try xsnow - it seems the way some desktop managers use the root window doesn't work with xsnow - I am using fluxbox here atm - do xfdesktop & to get it back07:34
moetunesn2diy:  you can follow this mail thread to see how I came up with that - http://www.redhat.com/archives/enigma-list/2001-November/msg02087.html07:45
moetunesn2diy:  or use Esetroot from Eterm like I do to set the desktop background07:45
n2diymoetunes: ok,07:54
Sysixfce isn't pretty with fast desktop/window switches :/07:58
Sysii hate compiz, kde is somewhat weird07:58
moetunesI'm a big advocate of fluxbox - only wm I've found that lets you set which workspace an app opens on and it can group apps together in the one window space and will work within xfce08:01
Sysii love some features of xfwm, and it's easy to set up08:02
Sysihmm, kwin with xfce08:05
Sysialmost worth a try08:05
moetunesyou have to love the choices using linux gives :)08:07
Sysiyup08:07
Sysii don't like buying laptop to linux *very* much, luckily it's not obligatory yet08:08
Sysii'm quite sure workspace switcher on panel won't work with other WM:s08:11
moetunesyou could run xfce4-panel with kwin - I use it with fluxbox08:13
SubLockHi all. I'm running Xubuntu 10.10, just did a reboot and for some reason I wasn't booted into X. If I try to 'startx'now, it just segfaults :(08:18
SubLockI'm not sure how to proceed with debugging into getting xfce up and running again08:20
Sysidid you reboot again?08:20
SubLockyes08:20
SubLockIt also says I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 andnot Xubuntu :O08:20
Sysithey're same by the basics08:21
SubLockI know that08:21
SubLockBut I thought it still would say "Xubuntu"08:21
moetunesdoesn't lsb_release return diff values tho08:21
n2diymoetunes: no joy. But running xsnow after killing xfdesktop returns some errors, at there are clues to work with now. But I'm out of gas, and need to crash. Thanks for the help, maybe we can pick it up later? 7308:22
SubLockI might've installed a package that required ubuntu-desktop, but it isn't installed anymore08:22
moetunesn2diy:  I'm here a bit g'night08:23
moetunesSubLock:  what is the last few lines when you startx before it segfaults - that might give a clue08:25
SubLockmoetunes: I think it might be the firegl08:28
SubLockdriver08:28
moetunesSubLock:  what is the firgl driver?08:30
moetunesSubLock:  what is the firegl driver?08:30
Sysiyou could try booting to older kernel08:31
SubLockso yeah, booting with default xorg.conf starts X, but with fubar graphics..08:33
SubLockmoetunes: just a sec,had to reboot08:34
SubLockSysi: ok, I can try that08:34
SubLockok..X autostarts now, but like I said, fubar graphics08:34
SubLockmaybe gfxdriver didn't reinstall properly with new kernel08:34
moetunescheck the X log then08:35
moetunesI like logs they tell me stuff08:35
SubLocktru dat08:35
SubLockold kernel works like a charm08:37
SubLock*puh*08:37
SubLockmoetunes: dglrx_drv.so and libglx.so08:40
SubLock*fglrx_drv.so08:40
moetunesSubLock:  so you need to rebuild the modules for the new kernel then?08:41
SubLockoh crap,I just remembered08:41
SubLockI manually installed the graphics driver fromATI08:41
SubLockmoetunes and Sysi :thanks for your assistance, I feel like an ass now08:42
moetunesheh np :)08:42
Sysii like easy solutions :b08:42
SubLockthis is what you get for using custom and not packages from repo :p08:44
Sysiati happens08:44
SubLockindeed08:44
moetunespolitely put that08:44
SubLockso, X actually tries to autostart, but segfaulted silently, wich put me off08:45
SubLockand now it's all fixed after driver re-installation08:45
SubLockwith working dual-screen and all08:45
moetunesit had me thinking in other directio0ns too08:45
SubLocklive and learn:) Well, thanks again and have a nice day!08:45
moetunesluck08:46
* ubuXubu locates an ancient tunnel which leads directly to the abstruse cyber wetlands of...Xubuntu!11:13
moetunesdude...11:17
TheSheepdood11:19
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WeSC-How can I change my theme?11:21
WeSC-D:11:21
ubuXuburight click on desktop i think11:22
TheSheepWeSC-: settings->appearance11:22
WeSC-I don't see that.11:23
WeSC-D:11:23
TheSheepWeSC-: then settings->xfce4 settings mamanger->appearance11:24
WeSC-Thank you.11:24
WeSC-Bye now/11:25
ubuXubutalk about eat-n-run11:28
blockcoldbazhang: :P14:45
danicasthello. i've just installed xubuntu 10.10 on a acer aspire one. it all looks very nice. i was going to install vpnc but can't find it on synaptic. do i need to add additional repositories or something?15:24
TheSheep!find vpnc15:29
ubottuFound: kvpnc, kvpnc-data, kvpnc-dbg, network-manager-vpnc, network-manager-vpnc-gnome15:29
TheSheep!info network-manager-vpnc15:29
ubottunetwork-manager-vpnc (source: network-manager-vpnc): network management framework (VPNC plugin). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.1+git.20100810t170733.9081821-0ubuntu1 (maverick), package size 73 kB, installed size 776 kB15:29
TheSheepdanicast: you probably want that ^15:30
danicastyeah network-manager-vpnc and vpnc is what i want... but i can't see it on synaptic or using apt-get15:30
TheSheep!universe15:32
ubottuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories15:32
danicastthanks! i'll add those.... i was used to everything being there by default from ubuntu but i suppose it works different with xubuntu. i'm only new to xubuntu.15:40
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ikoniamode +b *!*@gateway/shell/bshellz.net*16:55
* likemindead ducks as the banhammer is wielded!16:58
tamray_techJust installed xubuntu 10 (default install). What do I need to install to gain access to other servers via samba, ssh, ftp, etc.. On standard Ubuntu I can connect to a server via the file browser?17:28
TheSheep!gigolo17:28
TheSheephmm17:28
TheSheep!info gigolo17:28
ubottugigolo (source: gigolo): frontend to manage connections to remote filesystems using GIO/GVfs. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.1-1 (maverick), package size 132 kB, installed size 836 kB17:28
TheSheeptamray_tech: this ^17:29
TheSheeptamray_tech: and apropriate libraries17:29
tamray_techThanks17:29
TheSheep!info smbfs17:30
ubottusmbfs (source: cifs-utils): Common Internet File System utilities - compatibility package. In component main, is optional. Version 2:4.5-2 (maverick), package size 4 kB, installed size 56 kB17:30
TheSheep!info sshfs17:30
ubottusshfs (source: sshfs-fuse): filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2-1build1 (maverick), package size 39 kB, installed size 140 kB17:30
TheSheepetc.17:30
stygianhow can i disable my touchpad entirely and permanently without opening my laptop and disconnecting it?19:15
buttle_hi19:31
Psilocybin_ElfHi buttle_20:09
nicofsHi there. I need someone to talk me through compiling&installing something from git... I haven't got the faintest idea how that works...21:22
vinnlnicofs, what is it that you want to install?21:22
nicofsvinni: fsogsmd21:23
nicofsfrom http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=summary21:23
vinnlAnd you need to have the latest git version?21:24
vinnlWhat do you need it for if you don't know how to compile from source, anyway?21:24
nicofsvinnl: I'd be happy with any working version... and I need it to make phonecalls...21:25
vinnlFrom your PC?21:25
nicofsvinnl: exactly21:25
vinnlAnyway, searching turned up a Debian package that might work on Ubuntu, you could try that: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/fso-gsmd21:25
vinnlOdd, but OK :)21:25
nicofsvinni: why odd? I use this pc for chat, irc, mail, voip. why should I have another separate device for ordinary calls?21:26
vinnlNo idea :)21:27
vinnlIt's just that most PC's don't have a GSM device or whatever it is that you need to make phonecalls21:27
Sysi(why to never have ordinary calls :)21:28
nicofsas far as I understood, that should at least enable me to send sms...21:36
vinnlNice21:36
vinnlHave you found out whether the Debian package works yet?21:36
Noobsterhello all :)21:36
vinnl!hi | Noobster21:37
ubottuNoobster: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay!21:37
nicofsvinnl: well, it installed ok - but I don't know how to test if it works... I'm currently at #openmoko-cdevel to get further aid...21:39
vinnlHaha OK21:40
NoobsterI have a noob question, I want to enable dev repos on my Ubuntu10.04 x64 server so I can install libdns69 through package manager. Can someone help?21:41
vinnlDev repos?21:43
NoobsterI am looking for deb "url" lucid something something in /etc/apt/sources.list?21:43
vinnlWhy do you want to do this?21:44
NoobsterI am installing bind9 from source and have issues w/ dkpg -i libdns69xxx.deb. I want to use a package manager to maintain it.21:45
NoobsterI also need libisccfg62 for bind9.7.2-P3 not found in the default repo21:48
vinnlSorry, wouldn't know how to do that22:12
Thermign822:19
RJ_F1I have a script file which needs to run commands as root using 'sudo' How can I set it so that script does not require me to input my password, but everything else does?22:53
RJ_F1!sudo22:54
ubottusudo is a command to run command-line programs with superuser privileges ("root") (also see !cli). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for more information. For graphical applications see !gksu (Gnome, XFCE), or !kdesudo (KDE). If you're unable to execute commands with sudo see: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/fixsudo22:54
charlie-tcaIf the commands in the script require sudo to run, set the script so you are owner. It will still require sudo for those commands, I believe22:55
charlie-tcaDoes root have to be the owner ?22:55
RJ_F1I am the owner.22:58
charlie-tcaso you want those commands in the script to run without your password?22:58
RJ_F1yes, but they require root priv's22:58
RJ_F1does anyone know how to do this?23:02
RJ_F1would making it executable work?23:07
cb--no sound in 10.10!23:53
cb--anyone have a suggestion?23:54

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