[00:33] <jgould> ok, I just got confused about something
[00:34] <jgould> I downloaded Xubuntu 10.04-desktop.iso.  About:home says I've got 9.04 installed...  What am I missing?
[00:35] <charlie-tca> jgould, please open a termina and type     lsb_release -a
[00:35] <charlie-tca> hit enter
[00:35] <charlie-tca> What does it say
[00:36] <jgould> 10.04.1
[00:36] <charlie-tca> That is what you have, then. Did you install Ubuntu and then xubuntu-desktop?
[00:37] <jgould> I did and then really broke it so I reinstalled using Xubuntu
[00:37] <charlie-tca> It might be just the docs out of date
[00:37] <charlie-tca> But you do not have 9.04 installed
[00:37] <jgould> That's what I'm thinking now
[00:38] <jgould> Now to figure out how I got this stupid trackpad fixed in Ubuntu before I messed it up royally
[00:44] <jgould> Also to figure out why the xfce install on the machine that is running ubuntu actually looks different...
[00:54] <jgould> why the hell do they look different...
[01:02] <jgould> My Xubuntu install is more gnomeish than I'd like
[01:08] <mrangry`> is there support for the Netgear WG311v3?
[01:08] <mrangry`> in the live CD
[01:12] <xubuntu954> hey :)
[01:25] <jgould> ok, failing a way to make this work the way I want to, I'll use the alternate installer and manually add packages until I have ti set up the way I want
[01:27] <jgould> I'm sure there is an easier way, but this is how I'm picturing it now
[01:29] <charlie-tca> mrangry`, that would be answered easiest by trying it. It is a live cd, so you don't have install it
[01:44] <mrangry`> I did. I was just wondering if I missed the big shiny button that said "Enable wireless card"
[01:44] <mrangry`> or something
[01:45] <charlie-tca> icon in the top right for network-manager?
[01:49] <mrangry`> hmm
[02:50] <DylanCH> Any smart people listening?  I'd like to see if I can get some assistance with an issue I posted at ubuntuforums.org  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10174877#post10174877
[02:51] <jgould> rsync?
[02:52] <jgould> and may I ask why not just use Ubuntu server as there is no real need for a GUI?
[02:53] <DylanCH> Thats what I have found the most information about...and it seems the likely solution, but I'm not sure if its possible to do the wake-sync-sleep operation all from one script.
[02:53] <charlie-tca> jgould, are you reinstalling or do you want to try cleaning up what you got?
[02:54] <DylanCH> I considered server...but I still need the GUI.  Not quite handy enough with command line to get it all done that way.
[02:54] <jgould> I'm reinstalling.  Also running a few other things through my head. depening on how this goes I may change how I'm doing everything
[02:55] <charlie-tca> Okay. good luck with it. I hope it goes better this time around
[02:56] <jgould> thank you
[02:57] <jgould> I'm also debating on putting server on the server or just pulling the large drive and putting it in an enclosure on the mac mini... (which is running 10.04 LTS)
[02:59] <DylanCH> jgould- is it possible to wake xubuntu based on a schedule like I am considering?
[03:00] <jgould> No idea.  I'm actually making the switch to a *nix based OS as my primary slowly..
[03:01] <DylanCH> what about the mac mini...OS X is unix.  Or are you looking more open source?
[03:03] <jgould> more open source and the machines do better with Ubuntu (or a derivate than OS X
[03:04] <jgould> hmmm
[03:08] <jgould> Hmm....  Using the alternate installer got me gnome...
[03:13] <jgould> Also, DylanCH OS X is *not* unix, it's a very modified BSD derivative.  Samba doesn't even put things in the same spots...
[03:15] <jgould> ok.  If I remove all of the gnome-* packages, will that remove gnome?
[03:17] <DylanCH> how much gnome did you get?  just the basic desktop environment or the whole standard 'desktop' package with openoffice etc.?
[03:17] <jgould> The whole darn thing
[03:18] <charlie-tca> jgould, you got the wrong image file
[03:19] <charlie-tca> see this link
[03:19] <charlie-tca> !purexfce
[03:19] <charlie-tca> That tells how to remove gnome and have Xubuntu
[03:20] <DylanCH> While I was playing with server i installed all the standard desktop software (gnome, openoffice, etc.) with the "apt-get install ubuntu-desktop"  You might be able to remove that package and take all the dependancies with it
[03:20] <jgould> That's what I did last night and I lost my networking as a result
[03:20] <jgould> the link from ChanServ harl
[03:20] <jgould> er
[03:20] <jgould> charlie-tca,
[03:22] <jgould> Also, I want the desktop that Xfce provides (the actual layout) not the gnome styled one of Xubuntu
[03:23] <charlie-tca> DylanCH, -desktop is a meta package. It pulls in everything needed for that desktop, but when removing, it only removes itself
[03:24] <charlie-tca> jgould, that link for purexfce should do that
[03:24] <charlie-tca> Oh, no. You should then pick xfce-session from the login screen, at the bottom after hitting enter on your name.
[03:25] <charlie-tca> You might try picking xfce-session before going through all that
[03:25] <jgould> I tried that and still had the bar at the top of the screen (applications, etc etc)
[03:26] <charlie-tca> You are going to have that panel. It is part of xfce
[03:26] <charlie-tca> That is the xfce4-panel
[03:26] <jgould> Not when you install Xfce int's own
[03:26] <jgould> I'm running it now on both machines and I have the same desktiop
[03:26] <jgould> the only panel I have is at the bottom
[03:27] <charlie-tca> um, go into Applications -> Xfce settings -> Panel, and remove the top panel then
[03:28] <charlie-tca> brb
[03:40] <charlie-tca> Okay, back now
[03:41] <charlie-tca> jgould, did you find where to turn one panel off
[03:41] <charlie-tca> ?
[03:43] <jgould> is there something out there like pastebin but for images?
[03:46] <jgould> The default Xubuntu install looks like this: http://xubuntu.org/sites/default/files/karmic_shot_front_0.png
[03:46] <jgould> I would like my xfce install to look like this: http://www.xfce.org/images/about/screenshots/4.6-7.png
[03:48] <charlie-tca> Well, that's not running Xubuntu, is it?
[03:48] <charlie-tca> If it is, it has been highly modified
[03:48] <jgould> if I install xfce under a Ubuntu install I get a desktop like the second image
[03:49] <charlie-tca> You can do that, but you will have to find the right things to add to the bottom panel, and turn off the top panel. Then there is the theme it is using to try and find in Appearance and in Window Manager
[03:49] <charlie-tca> You're installing xfce, not xubuntu then, right?
[03:49] <jgould> Gah! Why didn't I realize that...
[03:50] <jgould> I've been out of touch with my Linux side...
[03:50] <jgould> I've overlooked what I needed to do in the first place...
[03:50] <charlie-tca> and that is probably xfce4.4?
[03:50] <jgould> if the file name is any clue, it's 4.6
[03:50] <charlie-tca> When you upgrade to lucid, xfce will go to 4.6.2, and it will change again
[03:51]  * jgould bashes his head into the desk
[03:51] <charlie-tca> okay, then you might be okay when you upgrade. Karmic is no longer supported as of April 2011
[03:51] <charlie-tca> but, you can enjoy it for a while, anyway! :-)
[03:52] <charlie-tca> Maybe in 5 months, your linux knowledge will be enough to make it look like that no matter what you install?
[03:52] <jgould> I'm installing 10.04... Maybe
[03:53] <jgould> Most of my experience goes back to Debian Potato... if that tells you anything at all
[03:54] <charlie-tca> heh
[03:54] <charlie-tca> It will come. Things in Xubuntu are very customizable compared to Ubuntu. You can change almost everything
[03:54] <jgould> Our router for our house at one point was a box running slackware.  I have no clue how I set that up
[03:55] <charlie-tca> hm, I resemble that remark
[03:55] <jgould> Heh
[03:55] <jgould> I don't even remember how I did it
[03:56] <charlie-tca> Yup, and the notes I keep I use again anyway
[03:57] <jgould> I've never thought to keep notes
[03:58] <jgould> I know that my home directory on the server is littered with config files that I've modified....
[03:59] <jgould> which is how the server is limping along with an old smb.conf file right now
[04:00] <charlie-tca> notes are not really helpful after a while. They just accumulate
[04:01] <jgould> Very true
[04:01] <charlie-tca> I have boxes of notes, if you want some
[04:01] <charlie-tca> heh
[04:01] <charlie-tca> just as much good to you as to me, I guess
[04:02] <jgould> XD.  Or we can use them to keep warm
[04:07] <jgould> ok,  Under Xubuntu, this time, choosing Xfce Session gave me what I'm looking for... Heh
[04:09] <charlie-tca> hm, hadn't thought about using them for warmth. That is an idea
[04:13] <jgould> :)
[04:55] <n2diy> I just installed xsnow, but can't get it to display, ideas?
[06:38] <n2diy> How can I tel which terminal I'm on, in X
[06:39] <moetunes> n2diy:  which terminal emulator you are using or which tty?
[06:39] <Sysi> echo $TERM
[06:40] <Sysi> or well, that's just the variable given to programs
[06:41] <n2diy> moetunes: I'm not sure? the command to run xsnow is xnsow -display displayname.
[06:42] <moetunes> n2diy:  $DISPLAY   will tell what display you are using
[06:42] <moetunes> normally :0
[06:42] <n2diy> moetunes: roger, tnx.
[06:42] <moetunes> np :)
[06:43] <n2diy> moetunes: this is not a normal case, it returns command not found.
[06:44] <n2diy> sudo?
[06:44] <moetunes> n2diy:  did you have the dollar sign at the front?
[06:45] <n2diy> moetunes: yes, and sudo didn't work either.
[06:45] <moetunes> n2diy:  sorry my bad it is   echo $DISPLAY
[06:45] <n2diy> moetunes: ah...
[06:48] <n2diy> moetunes: ok, so xsnow -display :0.0 didn't work, but I was in xsnow's shell, so...
[06:49] <moetunes> n2diy:  I don't know the app xsnow - I'll have a quick google
[06:50] <n2diy> moetunes: good luck, I didn't have any luck.
[06:51] <moetunes> n2diy:  http://linux.byexamples.com/archives/353/xsnow-brings-christmas-to-your-desktop/
[06:51] <moetunes> n2diy:  I use www.google.com/linux for linux searches
[06:52] <n2diy> moetunes: your a magician! Didn't know about /linux on google. anyway, it should be open now, tnx.
[06:52] <moetunes> np :)
[07:01] <n2diy> moetunes: well, xsnow won't play here, I've already tried those commands, and no go, the xsnow command puts me on a new line with a cursor, and I have to ctrl+z out of it?
[07:01] <moetunes> n2diy:  I'll give it a go here - one min
[07:02] <n2diy> moetunes: I'm going to switch to an other terminal, and try it without X. BRB
[07:02] <moetunes> k
[07:03] <n2diy> moetunes: that didn't work, duh, it couldn't find the X server! :)
[07:04] <moetunes> n2diy:  I used   xsnow -notrees -nosanta   and the snow settled on top of my terminal
[07:04] <n2diy> moetunes: I'll try it.
[07:05] <moetunes> n2diy:  I can't seem to not get snow - just using   xsnow   works too
[07:06] <n2diy> moetunes: nothing is working here?
[07:06] <n2diy> moetunes: any ideas how I could get help at the xsnow command prompt, -h and help don't work.
[07:07] <moetunes> n2diy:  I've tried to get the command prompt like you do - all I get is snow
[07:08] <n2diy> moetunes: I'm cursed, running three boxes and all are acting the same, two 10.04 and one 8.04 boxes.
[07:09] <moetunes> n2diy:  what vid cards? - maybe that plays a part, I have intel here
[07:11] <n2diy> moetunes: I'd have to check, nothing fancy, salvaged stuff. But I doubt it is a card issue, I was running xsnow on Mandrake 7.0 about nine years ago. The app is only 55x.
[07:11] <moetunes> n2diy:  you could try   nohup xsnow
[07:11] <n2diy> moetunes: yes i can.
[07:12] <moetunes> n2diy:  nothing in google about xsnow giving a prompt - can you posta screenshot of it?
[07:13] <n2diy> moetunes:  nohup xsnow returns : nohup: ignoring input and appending output to `nohup.out'
[07:14] <moetunes> n2diy:  I get the same here then it snows
[07:15] <moetunes> and santa in his sled travels slowly across the screen
[07:16] <n2diy> moetunes: ok, so what looks like a command prompt to me, is xsnow running, but not rendering correctly?
[07:17] <Sysi> it doesn't have anything like verbose or debug option?
[07:17] <moetunes> n2diy:  looks your normal prompt? - if that is the case xsnow doesn't run - it won't return to my prompt until I kill it with ctrl_c
[07:18] <moetunes> Sysi:  nope
[07:18] <n2diy> Sysi: i didn't see any debug options, moetunes it looks like an old Vic-20 prompt, an upright rectangle.
[07:19] <moetunes> n2diy:  I can't get that here at all
[07:19] <n2diy> I have to ctrl + z to get back to a bash prompt, and it tells me xsnow was stopped.
[07:21] <n2diy> moetunes: did you just install xsnow? All three of my boxes were loaded with in the last two hours.
[07:22] <moetunes> n2diy:  try having a look at tty1 with ctrl+alt+F1 (alt+F7 to get back) - there might be output there
[07:22] <moetunes> n2diy:  just installed it
[07:22] <Sysi> ctrl z suspends running process on bash
[07:23] <moetunes> ctrl+c should kill it properly
[07:23] <n2diy> moetunes: I'm not even logged in on tty1! I am on tty2 and nothing is there. So, the repo worked for you, hmm, what the hell is going on here?
[07:24] <moetunes> n2diy:  what does   which xsnow   return ?
[07:25] <n2diy> moetunes: /usr/games/xsnow
[07:26] <moetunes> n2diy:  that should be in your path - try   file /usr/games/xsnow   that shouldreturn elf and lots of other stuff
[07:28] <n2diy> moetunes: yes I get ELF 32 bit executable....
[07:29] <moetunes> n2diy:  it doesn't use much in the way of resources here so I can't guess what the issue is
[07:29] <n2diy> moetunes: permissions?
[07:29] <moetunes> it doesn't seem to clear its' memory use tho
[07:29] <moetunes> n2diy:  shouldn't think so
[07:30] <moetunes> n2diy:  have you tried from the run dialog   alt+F2   ?
[07:32] <n2diy> moetunes: no I haven't here goes
[07:32] <n2diy> No, didn't work. even without santa and the trees.
[07:34] <moetunes> n2diy:  I might have found something - in terminal do killall -v xfdesktop  then try xsnow - it seems the way some desktop managers use the root window doesn't work with xsnow - I am using fluxbox here atm - do xfdesktop & to get it back
[07:45] <moetunes> n2diy:  you can follow this mail thread to see how I came up with that - http://www.redhat.com/archives/enigma-list/2001-November/msg02087.html
[07:45] <moetunes> n2diy:  or use Esetroot from Eterm like I do to set the desktop background
[07:54] <n2diy> moetunes: ok,
[07:58] <Sysi> xfce isn't pretty with fast desktop/window switches :/
[07:58] <Sysi> i hate compiz, kde is somewhat weird
[08:01] <moetunes> I'm a big advocate of fluxbox - only wm I've found that lets you set which workspace an app opens on and it can group apps together in the one window space and will work within xfce
[08:02] <Sysi> i love some features of xfwm, and it's easy to set up
[08:05] <Sysi> hmm, kwin with xfce
[08:05] <Sysi> almost worth a try
[08:07] <moetunes> you have to love the choices using linux gives :)
[08:07] <Sysi> yup
[08:08] <Sysi> i don't like buying laptop to linux *very* much, luckily it's not obligatory yet
[08:11] <Sysi> i'm quite sure workspace switcher on panel won't work with other WM:s
[08:13] <moetunes> you could run xfce4-panel with kwin - I use it with fluxbox
[08:18] <SubLock> Hi all. I'm running Xubuntu 10.10, just did a reboot and for some reason I wasn't booted into X. If I try to 'startx'now, it just segfaults :(
[08:20] <SubLock> I'm not sure how to proceed with debugging into getting xfce up and running again
[08:20] <Sysi> did you reboot again?
[08:20] <SubLock> yes
[08:20] <SubLock> It also says I'm running Ubuntu 10.10 andnot Xubuntu :O
[08:21] <Sysi> they're same by the basics
[08:21] <SubLock> I know that
[08:21] <SubLock> But I thought it still would say "Xubuntu"
[08:21] <moetunes> doesn't lsb_release return diff values tho
[08:22] <n2diy> moetunes: no joy. But running xsnow after killing xfdesktop returns some errors, at there are clues to work with now. But I'm out of gas, and need to crash. Thanks for the help, maybe we can pick it up later? 73
[08:22] <SubLock> I might've installed a package that required ubuntu-desktop, but it isn't installed anymore
[08:23] <moetunes> n2diy:  I'm here a bit g'night
[08:25] <moetunes> SubLock:  what is the last few lines when you startx before it segfaults - that might give a clue
[08:28] <SubLock> moetunes: I think it might be the firegl
[08:28] <SubLock> driver
[08:30] <moetunes> SubLock:  what is the firgl driver?
[08:30] <moetunes> SubLock:  what is the firegl driver?
[08:31] <Sysi> you could try booting to older kernel
[08:33] <SubLock> so yeah, booting with default xorg.conf starts X, but with fubar graphics..
[08:34] <SubLock> moetunes: just a sec,had to reboot
[08:34] <SubLock> Sysi: ok, I can try that
[08:34] <SubLock> ok..X autostarts now, but like I said, fubar graphics
[08:34] <SubLock> maybe gfxdriver didn't reinstall properly with new kernel
[08:35] <moetunes> check the X log then
[08:35] <moetunes> I like logs they tell me stuff
[08:35] <SubLock> tru dat
[08:37] <SubLock> old kernel works like a charm
[08:37] <SubLock> *puh*
[08:40] <SubLock> moetunes: dglrx_drv.so and libglx.so
[08:40] <SubLock> *fglrx_drv.so
[08:41] <moetunes> SubLock:  so you need to rebuild the modules for the new kernel then?
[08:41] <SubLock> oh crap,I just remembered
[08:41] <SubLock> I manually installed the graphics driver fromATI
[08:42] <SubLock> moetunes and Sysi :thanks for your assistance, I feel like an ass now
[08:42] <moetunes> heh np :)
[08:42] <Sysi> i like easy solutions :b
[08:44] <SubLock> this is what you get for using custom and not packages from repo :p
[08:44] <Sysi> ati happens
[08:44] <SubLock> indeed
[08:44] <moetunes> politely put that
[08:45] <SubLock> so, X actually tries to autostart, but segfaulted silently, wich put me off
[08:45] <SubLock> and now it's all fixed after driver re-installation
[08:45] <SubLock> with working dual-screen and all
[08:45] <moetunes> it had me thinking in other directio0ns too
[08:45] <SubLock> live and learn:) Well, thanks again and have a nice day!
[08:46] <moetunes> luck
[11:13]  * ubuXubu locates an ancient tunnel which leads directly to the abstruse cyber wetlands of...Xubuntu!
[11:17] <moetunes> dude...
[11:19] <TheSheep> dood
[11:21] <WeSC-> How can I change my theme?
[11:21] <WeSC-> D:
[11:22] <ubuXubu> right click on desktop i think
[11:22] <TheSheep> WeSC-: settings->appearance
[11:23] <WeSC-> I don't see that.
[11:23] <WeSC-> D:
[11:24] <TheSheep> WeSC-: then settings->xfce4 settings mamanger->appearance
[11:24] <WeSC-> Thank you.
[11:25] <WeSC-> Bye now/
[11:28] <ubuXubu> talk about eat-n-run
[14:45] <blockcold> bazhang: :P
[15:24] <danicast> hello. i've just installed xubuntu 10.10 on a acer aspire one. it all looks very nice. i was going to install vpnc but can't find it on synaptic. do i need to add additional repositories or something?
[15:29] <TheSheep> !find vpnc
[15:29] <TheSheep> !info network-manager-vpnc
[15:30] <TheSheep> danicast: you probably want that ^
[15:30] <danicast> yeah network-manager-vpnc and vpnc is what i want... but i can't see it on synaptic or using apt-get
[15:32] <TheSheep> !universe
[15:40] <danicast> thanks! i'll add those.... i was used to everything being there by default from ubuntu but i suppose it works different with xubuntu. i'm only new to xubuntu.
[16:55] <ikonia> mode +b *!*@gateway/shell/bshellz.net*
[16:58]  * likemindead ducks as the banhammer is wielded!
[17:28] <tamray_tech> Just installed xubuntu 10 (default install). What do I need to install to gain access to other servers via samba, ssh, ftp, etc.. On standard Ubuntu I can connect to a server via the file browser?
[17:28] <TheSheep> !gigolo
[17:28] <TheSheep> hmm
[17:28] <TheSheep> !info gigolo
[17:29] <TheSheep> tamray_tech: this ^
[17:29] <TheSheep> tamray_tech: and apropriate libraries
[17:29] <tamray_tech> Thanks
[17:30] <TheSheep> !info smbfs
[17:30] <TheSheep> !info sshfs
[17:30] <TheSheep> etc.
[19:15] <stygian> how can i disable my touchpad entirely and permanently without opening my laptop and disconnecting it?
[19:31] <buttle_> hi
[20:09] <Psilocybin_Elf> Hi buttle_
[21:22] <nicofs> Hi there. I need someone to talk me through compiling&installing something from git... I haven't got the faintest idea how that works...
[21:22] <vinnl> nicofs, what is it that you want to install?
[21:23] <nicofs> vinni: fsogsmd
[21:23] <nicofs> from http://git.freesmartphone.org/?p=cornucopia.git;a=summary
[21:24] <vinnl> And you need to have the latest git version?
[21:24] <vinnl> What do you need it for if you don't know how to compile from source, anyway?
[21:25] <nicofs> vinnl: I'd be happy with any working version... and I need it to make phonecalls...
[21:25] <vinnl> From your PC?
[21:25] <nicofs> vinnl: exactly
[21:25] <vinnl> Anyway, searching turned up a Debian package that might work on Ubuntu, you could try that: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/fso-gsmd
[21:25] <vinnl> Odd, but OK :)
[21:26] <nicofs> vinni: why odd? I use this pc for chat, irc, mail, voip. why should I have another separate device for ordinary calls?
[21:27] <vinnl> No idea :)
[21:27] <vinnl> It's just that most PC's don't have a GSM device or whatever it is that you need to make phonecalls
[21:28] <Sysi> (why to never have ordinary calls :)
[21:36] <nicofs> as far as I understood, that should at least enable me to send sms...
[21:36] <vinnl> Nice
[21:36] <vinnl> Have you found out whether the Debian package works yet?
[21:36] <Noobster> hello all :)
[21:37] <vinnl> !hi | Noobster
[21:39] <nicofs> vinnl: well, it installed ok - but I don't know how to test if it works... I'm currently at #openmoko-cdevel to get further aid...
[21:40] <vinnl> Haha OK
[21:41] <Noobster> I have a noob question, I want to enable dev repos on my Ubuntu10.04 x64 server so I can install libdns69 through package manager. Can someone help?
[21:43] <vinnl> Dev repos?
[21:43] <Noobster> I am looking for deb "url" lucid something something in /etc/apt/sources.list?
[21:44] <vinnl> Why do you want to do this?
[21:45] <Noobster> I am installing bind9 from source and have issues w/ dkpg -i libdns69xxx.deb. I want to use a package manager to maintain it.
[21:48] <Noobster> I also need libisccfg62 for bind9.7.2-P3 not found in the default repo
[22:12] <vinnl> Sorry, wouldn't know how to do that
[22:19] <Thermi> gn8
[22:53] <RJ_F1> I have a script file which needs to run commands as root using 'sudo' How can I set it so that script does not require me to input my password, but everything else does?
[22:54] <RJ_F1> !sudo
[22:55] <charlie-tca> If the commands in the script require sudo to run, set the script so you are owner. It will still require sudo for those commands, I believe
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Does root have to be the owner ?
[22:58] <RJ_F1> I am the owner.
[22:58] <charlie-tca> so you want those commands in the script to run without your password?
[22:58] <RJ_F1> yes, but they require root priv's
[23:02] <RJ_F1> does anyone know how to do this?
[23:07] <RJ_F1> would making it executable work?
[23:53] <cb--> no sound in 10.10!
[23:54] <cb--> anyone have a suggestion?