[00:33] <ScottK> yofel: I just uploaded your -workspace changes to Natty.  Thank you.
[00:34] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: thought you would like this... http://goo.gl/e49wT
[00:35] <ScottK> Nice.
[05:22] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203016 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files) Add an application launcher/installation-complete-notification dialog
[05:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna and yofel_: Thanks again for testing the de-halification stuff.  It's all uploaded and should be default for new installs starting with tomorrow's daily.
[10:05] <kar> hello. someone used pykde.akonadi before?
[11:14] <bulldog98> Riddell: hi. Have you looked for my kdepim packaging?
[11:16] <Riddell> bulldog98: no still on the rest of kde 4.6 beta for now
[11:17] <kubotu> either you read or you think we're doing for 4.6 beta
[11:17] <Riddell> but with any luck that'll be ok this time round and we can publish then move onto other things like kdepim 
[11:17] <Riddell> bwahahaha
[11:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: so publishing has to wait for the rest of 4.6 beta
[11:20] <Riddell> bulldog98: well I can only do one thing at once generally speaking :)
[11:21] <bulldog98> :)
[11:21] <Riddell> but really it's going to work this time, so I can get onto kdepim shortly
[11:41] <ScottK> Riddell: dehalification is complete, so now it's just a matter of making sure problems get reported upstream.
[11:58] <apachelogger> qtcreator for maemo is just lovely
[12:06] <Riddell> awesomeness, upgrade to 4.5.80 on maverick worked without a single overwrite error
[12:06] <Riddell> I'll copy it to kubuntu-ppa/beta and announce
[12:12] <Mamarok> Riddell: yay, /me waiting in the starting blocks :)
[12:13] <Riddell> Mamarok: sorry for the delay, we kept finding problems
[12:13] <Mamarok> no problem, I can wait :)
[12:14] <Mamarok> I downloaded 4.5.4 in the meantime
[12:14] <Riddell> Mamarok: any problems?
[12:18] <Mamarok> not so far
[12:27] <ScottK> Riddell: (See #ubuntu-devel for details) - Apparently doko uploaded a gcc fix for our Qt problems on armel last week, but didn't bother to mention it.  I just retried it.
[12:27] <ScottK> The relevant debian/changelog entry was "  * Revert Linaro issue #1259."
[12:28] <Riddell> ScottK: fingers crossed
[12:29] <ScottK> Yep.
[12:34] <eMyller> hey all.
[12:35] <eMyller> there was a package conflict yesterday (hupnp and libhupnp0); was it resolved?
[12:44] <Riddell> eMyller: you will have to remove hupnp
[12:44] <Riddell> that hupnp has never been in a public archive so there's no replaces/conflicts
[12:45] <eMyller> Riddell: yea, i removed it yesterday in order to install libhupnp0; but i wonder from where i got that
[12:45] <Riddell> from an old package in staging or ninjas
[12:54]  * apachelogger notes that jt's qapt-worker is much more reliable than maemo's
[12:55] <apachelogger> hum
[12:55] <apachelogger> 62mib of archives, that is not too shabby for a mobile pim suite :O
[13:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: what are you looking at?
[13:02] <apachelogger> kdepim-mobile
[13:03] <Riddell> Mamarok: publishing done for 4.5.80, want to be the first to test?
[13:04] <Riddell> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta; sudo apt-get update; sudo dist-upgrade
[13:04] <Riddell> sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[13:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: where is that?
[13:04] <apachelogger> http://userbase.kde.org/Kontact_Mobile
[13:14] <ScottK> Riddell: Now I'm on to bugging doko about the per arch symbols files (that we shouldn't need).
[13:14] <Riddell> ScottK: presumably we have no idea why that happens
[13:15] <ScottK> No.  It's gcc-4.5 madness of some kind.
[13:15] <ScottK> Perhaps we need to rename the "Upload toolchain" milestone in the development schedule to "Upload usable toolchain" for clarity.
[13:16] <ScottK> afiestas: We took the plunge yesterday and switched from hal to upower/udisks for the development release (with the 4.6 beta).
[13:26] <apachelogger> looks pretty good that mobile foo
[13:26] <Mamarok> Riddell: testing now
[13:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'm just compiling it now
[13:27] <apachelogger> rbelem: I fear getting a class 10 microsd is going to be difficult
[13:27] <Riddell> steveire: do you know if any decision has been made on kontact mobile vs kontact touch?
[13:27]  * apachelogger finds kontact itself a rather silly name TBH
[13:27] <Riddell> apachelogger: it is but it's better than KDE PIM
[13:28] <apachelogger> that for sure
[13:28] <Riddell> which shouldn't be used for user communication (similar to KDE SC)
[13:29] <steveire> Riddell: The latest on the mailing list indicates concensus forming around kontact ouch
[13:29] <steveire> touch* 
[13:29] <steveire> :)
[13:29] <Riddell> freudian slip there? :)
[13:29]  * apachelogger schedules a visit to the shopping mall for tomorrow
[13:29] <steveire> Seems so :)
[13:30] <apachelogger> rbelem: out of interest, why can one not install kubuntu on the internal storage?
[13:30] <apachelogger> it is like flipping large
[13:36] <apachelogger> now
[13:36] <apachelogger> what pointless application could I write for maemo
[13:36] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: suggestions?
[13:37] <dantti_work> apachelogger: I'm moving things to git in case you want to commit something to print-manager..
[13:37] <apachelogger> hooray
[13:37] <apachelogger> I shall commit more then ^^
[13:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: why do people still talk about maemo?  isn't maemo dead?  isn't meego the way to go?
[13:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: as if that would matter with Qt? :D
[13:38] <apachelogger> <3 Qt
[13:38] <dantti_work> hehe :) libdebconf-kde is there already now I'm asking for a repo for apper and print-manager
[13:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: infact should you be talking about what application you could write for KDE Mobile?
[13:39] <apachelogger> for that I first need to get a KDE stack
[13:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: Allegedly gcc is fixed, so arm stuff should start appearing in a few days.
[13:40] <apachelogger> groovy
[13:44]  * Riddell wonders if apachelogger has gained an N900
[13:47]  * Riddell gets lost in a twisty maze of dusty gpg packages
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: Nightrose sent me hers, so I can take part in the mobile hype ^^
[13:55] <yofel> o/
[13:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: that was kind of her
[13:57] <Riddell> hi yofel, 4.6 beta 1 is in the beta PPA, Mamrok was testing but has disappeared, I wonder if we should be worried
[13:58] <yofel> I'll upgrade in a VM and see what happens
[13:59] <jussi> ScottK: you may want to join the LP efika groups (see the efika channel)
[14:01] <Riddell> Mamarok: any luck?
[14:01] <Mamarok> Riddell: serious problem: kded crashes on start, impossible to restart it
[14:01] <Riddell> rollocks
[14:01] <Mamarok> I had to use usb tethering on my phone as I can't use wireless anymore
[14:02] <Riddell> Mamarok: what happens if you start kded4 manually?
[14:02] <Mamarok> crashes immediately again
[14:02] <Mamarok> everytime I try
[14:02] <Mamarok> seems to be solid related, at least that's what the backtrace says
[14:03] <Mamarok> and I can't report the bug through Dr. Konqi either, as it needs kded to get a login on bugzilla
[14:03] <Riddell> Mamarok: are you on amd64?
[14:04] <Mamarok> yes
[14:04] <Mamarok> well, intel, but 64 bit
[14:05] <Riddell> yofel: done any testing on amd64?
[14:05] <Mamarok> here comes the backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539402
[14:06] <Riddell> hmm, problem in the wacom tablet module?
[14:06] <Riddell> Mamarok: you don't have a wacom tablet module do you?
[14:06] <yofel> nope, well, yes.. in natty, but I only have one non-natty pc left, so I'll test in a VM now, but natty works fine
[14:06] <Mamarok> no, not at all
[14:07] <Riddell> hmm, I don't think we have a package with that file /usr/lib/kde4/kded_tablet.so
[14:07] <Riddell> Mamarok: what's the output of  dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde4/kded_tablet.so  ?
[14:07] <Mamarok> the console output says this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539405
[14:08] <Mamarok> it says: dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde4/kded_tablet.so
[14:08] <Mamarok> erm, moment, it says this: kde-config-tablet: /usr/lib/kde4/kded_tablet.so
[14:08] <yofel> I don't have that installed here if that helps ^
[14:08] <Riddell> Mamarok: try apt-get remove kde-config-tablet
[14:08] <Riddell> the starting  kded4
[14:09] <cpatrick2008> does anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be backported to maverick
[14:09] <Mamarok> Riddell: that worked
[14:10] <Mamarok> but where does it get that tablet stuff from? I never had a tablet here
[14:10] <allee> uhmm, natty amd64 alpha1 installer crashes after I add the user and press 'forward' :(
[14:10] <Riddell> cpatrick2008: it's available now but we're doing some more testing because problems keep cropping up, do you want to help test?
[14:10] <yofel> cpatrick2008: it's ready to be tested, ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[14:10] <Riddell> allee: with a backtrace?
[14:10] <cpatrick2008> how would i help test
[14:11] <Riddell> cpatrick2008: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[14:11] <cpatrick2008> ok i will report any bugs i find
[14:11] <allee> No.  it start's X server again I assume because I see the login progress dialog ...
[14:11]  * allee start 'try kubuntu' again
[14:12] <Mamarok_> still no wireless, only tethering works automagically
[14:12] <allee> Ah that's natty in a maverick virtualbox host
[14:13] <Riddell> Mamarok: but you can log into a full session now?
[14:13] <Mamarok> let me try again, moment
[14:16] <Mamarok> Riddell: yes, this time it worked
[14:16] <Mamarok> still no way to connect to my wireless
[14:17] <Mamarok> wich usually works out of the box
[14:17] <Riddell> Mamarok: what happens when you try?
[14:17] <Mamarok> it shows the connection, but it doesn't connect
[14:17] <Mamarok> when I click on it
[14:17] <Mamarok> let me try making a new connection
[14:18] <allee> Riddell: in a kde session only installaters crashes but no backtrace.   jockey-backend still running
[14:19] <Mamarok> nope, still no way to connect
[14:19]  * allee start ubiquity with --debug
[14:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: hmm, no such problems here
[14:23] <Riddell> Mamarok: you can try logging out, rm ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc  then see if it works
[14:24]  * yofel remembered that he has a maverick pc he could test this with and updates
[14:24] <Mamarok> I will try later, right now I am in a discussion :)
[14:24] <Riddell> allee: if it still crashes report with  ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[14:26] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you mean Meego .... right?
[14:26] <apachelogger> no
[14:27] <Riddell> he gained an n900 and is running maemo
[14:28] <shadeslayer> yeah i know, but... meego is the future!
[14:28] <apachelogger> primarily Qt is the future and that runs on both
[14:28] <apachelogger> ...
[14:29]  * yofel agrees with apachelogger
[14:29] <shadeslayer> yeah, but maemo is .... well.... obsolete
[14:29] <shadeslayer> well
[14:29] <yofel> and maemo isn't that bad, I don't like the music player though
[14:29] <shadeslayer> you wanted a suggestion ...
[14:29]  * shadeslayer thinks
[14:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so i heard theres alot of snow over there in europe :D
[14:30] <apachelogger> graz is drowning in snow!
[14:30]  * ScottK thought plasma mobile was the future.
[14:30] <apachelogger> tooke me one hour to get home yesterday
[14:30] <apachelogger> today I got home with wet feet
[14:30] <shadeslayer> they shut down gatwick airport a couple of days ago ...
[14:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: and what technology is plasma made with? :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: have you seen the HTC Sense UI where the cloud floats in when its cloudy etc
[14:31] <apachelogger> no
[14:31] <ScottK> Qt, but not anything that starts with M.
[14:31] <apachelogger> why?
[14:31] <jjesse> a co-worker of mine does
[14:31] <jjesse> its pretty cool
[14:31] <jjesse> it snows when snowing
[14:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, Qt is at its best if it has platform integration :P
[14:32] <apachelogger> rbelem: ping
[14:32] <al> thunderstorm is the best animation on sense ;)
[14:33] <al> first time i saw it i thought the display was dying
[14:33] <Mamarok> al: not the right season now, but the screen freezing is nifty too
[14:33] <al> yea, it's nice
[14:34] <Mamarok> apachelogger: how much snow do you have? must be about half a meter here
[14:34] <apachelogger> like 20cm
[14:34] <apachelogger> that 15 more than it should be
[14:35]  * ScottK thought Austrians were required to love snow?
[14:35]  * apachelogger is not much of an austrian
[14:35] <yofel> apachelogger: come to Stuttgart, we only have like 10cm here :P
[14:36] <apachelogger> nah, I like to have usable trainstations :P
[14:36] <Riddell> reminds me
[14:36] <yofel> lol
[14:37] <Riddell> ScottK: I may have to leave earlyish to get to canoeing session through the snow, are you at the release team meeting?
[14:37]  * apachelogger grabs his magic's microsd to see how meego works with that
[14:37] <apachelogger> for some reason it does not have the class written on it
[14:37] <ScottK> Riddell: Sure.
[14:37] <jjesse> we have 12.7 cm in michigan today
[14:37] <ScottK> Well if the trainstation people in Austria haven't learned to anticipate and deal with the fact that there will be snow in Austria, I think that's hardly the snow's fault.
[14:38] <al> the trainstation issue in stuttgart (which is in germany, not austria) has nothing to do with weather but politics though ;)
[14:39] <yofel> ScottK: he meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21
[14:39] <ScottK> Ah.
[14:41] <Riddell> ScottK: here's my notes http://paste.ubuntu.com/539420/
[14:41] <ScottK> Riddell: Got it.  Have a nice canoe.
[14:43] <Riddell> cpatrick2008: any luck?
[14:43] <ScottK> al: Our local controversy is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercounty_Connector
[14:43] <shadeslayer> they took down wikileaks ... not good ....
[14:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: who's they?
[14:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You're in favor of allowing copyright violations?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: they == DNS hosting service ..
[14:44] <al> ScottK, seems it's been less violent so far ;)
[14:44] <ScottK> Yes, but it's taken at least as long.
[14:44]  * apachelogger boots meego
[14:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: copyright violations? are you talking about amazon ? i just liked wikileaks because id get my daily dose of political leaks from there
[14:44] <allee> Riddell: rekonq crashes when started via ubuntu-bug
[14:44]  * shadeslayer runs
[14:44] <ScottK> IIRC they started planning it in 1975.
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: good thing there are 50 other domains pointing at it (e.g. http://wikileaks.eu/)
[14:44] <cpatrick2008> @Ridell got it installed but when i try to install the extras package in rekonq the QApt Batch Installer says it is wating for authorization but wont put up anything for me to put my password in
[14:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah ... they got a new domain now.. in Switzerland ..
[14:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: they've always had loads http://wikileaks.info/
[14:45] <shadeslayer> couldnt open it from my phone tho
[14:46] <apachelogger> hm
[14:46] <apachelogger> meego time is off ^^
[14:46] <Riddell> cpatrick2008: ok I've had that problem too, haven't worked out where to report it yet
[14:46] <Riddell> cpatrick2008: any other issues?
[14:46] <jjesse> wikileaks.info lists the alternate sites
[14:46] <cpatrick2008> none so far
[14:46] <shadeslayer> allee: can you pastebin the backtrace?
[14:46] <Riddell> cpatrick2008: able to connect to wireless ok?
[14:46] <cpatrick2008> yes
[14:47] <Riddell> cpatrick2008: great, thanks for testing
[14:47] <cpatrick2008> no problem
[14:47]  * shadeslayer needs to write a Desk Clock for android
[14:47] <shadeslayer> the default one sucks
[14:47] <allee> shadeslayer: rekonq or ubiquity?
[14:48] <apachelogger> brrr, this micosd feels like class 2
[14:48] <shadeslayer> allee: rekonq
[14:49] <afiestas> ScottK: I know, I read kubuntu-devel
[14:49] <ScottK> afiestas: Ah.  Cool.
[14:49] <afiestas> we just implemented video support for it (webcams and v4l2 devices)
[14:49] <ScottK> afiestas: In any case, thanks for that.
[14:49] <afiestas> tomorrow I will probably implement dvb if nobody else does
[14:50] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: meego is not much of a target platform right now
[14:50] <apachelogger> very alphaish
[14:52] <allee> shadeslayer: run: rekonq -> window pop up and crashes immediately: http://pastebin.ca/2009619
[14:52] <afiestas> ScottK: pinotree just told me that dvb is alreay done :)
[14:54] <allee> ups wrong 'selection'
[14:54] <shadeslayer> allee: thats all you get in the backtrace?
[14:55] <allee> shadeslayer: I should have installed paste plasmoid in virtualbox.  Redoing ...
[14:57] <cpatrick2008> Riddel: when i try to run Nepomuk Backup i get the following error message  the Nepomuk Backup service does not seem to be running . Backups cannot  be handled without it
[14:57] <allee> shadeslayer: much better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539429
[14:58] <Quintasan> \o
[14:58] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: o/
[14:58] <yofel> cool, upgrade to 4.6 maverick beta worked fine on my eeePC :D
[14:58] <ari-tczew> Quintasan: I left gnome for kde yesterday :P gnome in natty sucks
[14:58] <Quintasan> cpatrick2008: Did you try restarting nepomuk? It crashed at startup for me
[14:59] <cpatrick2008> how do i restart it
[14:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: help with backtrace here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/539429/ :: looks like a webkit issue right?
[14:59] <apachelogger> do I have a suggestion yet?
[14:59] <yofel> and wireless works fine
[14:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i told you .. a weather app of sorts
[14:59] <Quintasan> cpatrick2008: System settings -> Desktop search
[14:59] <shadeslayer> like HTC have on their sense ui
[14:59] <yofel> hey Quintasan
[15:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there are weather apps!
[15:00] <Quintasan> Re-check Enable Nepomuk option
[15:00] <apachelogger> something innovative would be good
[15:00] <Quintasan> yofel: \o
[15:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: not *any* weather app
[15:00] <shadeslayer> hold on
[15:00]  * apachelogger does not like wasting time on things that already exist anyway
[15:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUCP_ixDCNo
[15:00] <Quintasan> cpatrick2008: Re-check Enable Nepomuk optio
[15:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that requires changes to teh platform
[15:01] <apachelogger> + it already exists
[15:02] <shadeslayer> it does... hmm
[15:02] <cpatrick2008> did that stll cannot use it
[15:02] <apachelogger> fullscreen app would be doable without changes to that
[15:02] <apachelogger> but the effort with such a app lies in the graphics creation
[15:02] <apachelogger> not the technical part
[15:03] <shadeslayer> Sput: quassel crash : http://pastebin.ca/2009630
[15:03]  * yofel wonders why they only left 3 power profiles. Ok, it's enough, but at least the presentation one made sense
[15:03] <apachelogger> so
[15:03] <apachelogger> meego was a great waste of time
[15:03]  * Riddell still says power profiles shouldn't be needed
[15:03]  * apachelogger tries to get kubuntu going on that crappy card of his
[15:04] <yofel> Riddell: what would you use instead?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[15:04] <Quintasan> *!@#$!@ flash
[15:04] <al> shadeslayer, afaics quassel doesn't even show up in that stacktrace
[15:04] <Quintasan> doesn't work on firefox wtf
[15:04] <al> so it's not to blame :>
[15:04] <shadeslayer> rbelem: how much time will it take to port plasma mobile to a HTC Desire ? :D
[15:05] <cpatrick2008> Quintasan: checked it and applyed it and stll get same error message
[15:05] <Quintasan> tons probably
[15:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the question should be how much time will it take to port kubuntu mobile
[15:05] <Quintasan> cpatrick2008: did you try restarting your PC?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> al: idk ... quassel just crashed and Dr. Konqi says quassel irc crashed ... etc
[15:05] <apachelogger> plasma mobile will not work on android since it still depends on QWidgets here and there
[15:05] <apachelogger> and Qt lighthouse for android can only draw a graphicsscene IIRC
[15:05] <cpatrick2008> i will do that then let you know if it works
[15:06] <shadeslayer> al: looks like a QGraphicsView crash
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why do you have so incredibly incomplete straces?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> s/view/scene
[15:06] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: It's just me or rekonq crashes on almost every page?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: *shrug*
[15:06]  * apachelogger notes that we do not see the problem
[15:06] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: its just you :P
[15:06] <apachelogger> the stack trace contains an assert
[15:06] <apachelogger> however the part where the assert is raised is not known
[15:06] <apachelogger> because shadeslayer posts useless stacktraces :P
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also possibly because i dont have enough debug symbols
[15:07] <shadeslayer> hold on
[15:07] <apachelogger> well
[15:07] <shadeslayer> which stacktrace are you talking about?
[15:07] <apachelogger> obvoiusly
[15:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: the quassel one
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ohk
[15:07] <apachelogger> the other one is completely too 
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the other one isnt mine ...
[15:08]  * apachelogger wonders why he only gets 100kbps for the mobile image
[15:08] <apachelogger> my flat mates are watching pr0n again!!!
[15:08]  * shadeslayer would love to get 100KBps for anything
[15:08]  * apachelogger was already wondering why it was so silent
[15:11] <apachelogger> if android started any slower....
[15:11] <shadeslayer> whut! ... starts up in 10 seconds here ...
[15:12] <Mamarok> Riddell: thanks, that did work :)
[15:12] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you haz obsolete phone ...
[15:12] <rbelem> shadeslayer, hum... do you know the hardware spec?
[15:12] <shadeslayer> rbelem: yeah! i have the hardware :P
[15:12] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you buy that microsd?
[15:12] <apachelogger> rbelem: no
[15:12] <apachelogger> tomorrow
[15:12] <rbelem> shadeslayer, nice
[15:13]  * apachelogger needs to drive like an hour to get to a store that potentially offers class 10
[15:13] <apachelogger> also I wanted to go shopping tomorrow anyway...
[15:13] <shadeslayer> rbelem: so you can boot a custom meego image on the device, idk how, but its on the meego wiki
[15:13] <rbelem> shadeslayer, is it an armv7?
[15:13] <apachelogger> rbelem: I tried meego with the 2gb card though
[15:13] <shadeslayer> Qualcomm
[15:13] <apachelogger> utter crap :D
[15:13] <apachelogger> rbelem: what kubuntu mobile image do I download though? omap3 or 4?
[15:13] <rbelem> apachelogger, too slow?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> rbelem: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php
[15:13] <cpatrick2008> Quintasn: restarting my computer did the trick 
[15:14] <apachelogger> rbelem: no, meego itself is just completely unfinished and stuff
[15:14] <rbelem> apachelogger, omap3
[15:14] <apachelogger> platform support is also not finished
[15:14] <apachelogger> e.g. it did not detect the battery or simcard
[15:14] <Riddell> Mamarok: ok good, although a mystery since network-manager won't have been upgraded
[15:14] <apachelogger> widgets are sometimes a bit misrendered
[15:14] <apachelogger> strings are prefixed with !!...
[15:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dummy plasmoids .... no *real* plasmoids as such
[15:15] <shadeslayer> does it make calls :P
[15:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: plasma mobile doesnt have dummy plasmoids
[15:15] <apachelogger> also I was talking about meego
[15:15] <shadeslayer> uh .. yes it does
[15:16] <shadeslayer> ohk
[15:16] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: like what?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> but plasma-mobile does have dummy plasmoidds
[15:16] <shadeslayer> -d
[15:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: like the contacts plasmoid 
[15:16] <shadeslayer> or whatever its called
[15:17] <rbelem> plasma-mobile has a plasmoid which manages to make calls
[15:17] <apachelogger> and that is all that counts
[15:18] <rbelem> shadeslayer, Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:18] <rbelem> it is an armv7 :-)
[15:18] <shadeslayer> kewl :D
[15:18] <shadeslayer> is that a good thing or a bad thing :P
[15:19] <rbelem> good thing :-)
[15:19] <shadeslayer> ok... how do we proceed then ^_^
[15:19] <rbelem> need to check how to hack the boot loader
[15:19] <rbelem> and get the kernel drivers
[15:19] <shadeslayer> rbelem: theres something called unrevoked
[15:20] <shadeslayer> but they only have the binary file available for download
[15:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^^ time to jump in
[15:20] <apachelogger> rbelem: so, I was scrolling through startkde yesterday, and I am afraid that there is not terribly much we can improve it with
[15:20] <apachelogger> possibly implementing it in c++ would help
[15:21] <apachelogger> elimintaing all the helper apps startkde requires
[15:21] <Riddell> gnome people keep talking about using upstart for gnome-session
[15:21] <apachelogger> but startkde really does not do much anyway, the heavy lifting is done in ksmserver :S
[15:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: how would that work?
[15:22] <rbelem> shadeslayer, is it used to hack the bootloader?
[15:22] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-(
[15:22] <shadeslayer> rbelem: yeah, its used to boot custom android ROM's
[15:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: upstart would start the various things needed by the gnome session
[15:22] <shadeslayer> so i suppose i can be used to boot other stuff
[15:22] <Riddell> revu needed! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libassuan2[B[B[B
[15:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, but what is the point of that?
[15:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: dunno
[15:23] <apachelogger> ^^
[15:23] <rbelem> apachelogger, plasma-mobile is taking too long to start too
[15:23] <apachelogger> rbelem: well
[15:23] <apachelogger> it is plasma
[15:23] <apachelogger> ...
[15:23] <apachelogger> plasma also takes longest to start on a desktop
[15:24] <apachelogger> like 90% of the time ksplash is shown plasma is actually building itself
[15:24] <apachelogger> (on that note: did anyone notice that login takes super long if autoconnection to a wifi is on)
[15:24] <apachelogger> seems plasma blocks until the connection is established (or not)
[15:27] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think we need to profile ksmserver, plasma-desktop and others to check where is the bottleneck 
[15:28] <yofel> if you make it faster I'll get you a beer, here it takes almost a minute from kdm to working desktop :/ http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/bootchart/yofel-t510-natty-20101202-1.png
[15:28] <apachelogger> rbelem: plasma-desktop
[15:29] <apachelogger> its main limitation is actually known
[15:29] <apachelogger> its startup depends on plasmoids
[15:29] <apachelogger> i.e. plasmoids do not get lazy initialized or even delayed initialized alltogether
[15:30] <apachelogger> (like the battery plasmoid could really be started once everything else is up
[15:30] <apachelogger> )
[15:30] <rbelem> shadeslayer, maybe talking with the unrevoked guys http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/unrevoked3
[15:31] <rbelem> shadeslayer, they could point us how to use the hacked bootloaded
[15:31] <rbelem> and build the kernel with the right patches
[15:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, :-(
[15:32] <shadeslayer> rbelem: yeah .... theres a vid of meego running on the desire, so imo, it shouldnt be *very* hard to do it
[15:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, we could work to solve this problem. Is there already a possible solution?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> will take time tho
[15:33] <apachelogger> rbelem: not that I know about
[15:33] <rbelem> :-D
[15:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, plasma-mobile is taking soo, sooo long to start :-(
[15:35] <apachelogger> well
[15:35] <apachelogger> plasma is rather fat
[15:35] <apachelogger> ...
[15:35] <rbelem> i dont know how much time it will take in microsd class10
[15:35] <rbelem> i was using class 2 :-P
[15:35] <apachelogger> rbelem: I would expect that most stuff is really hogging the CPU and not the card
[15:36] <apachelogger> needs checking though
[15:36] <apachelogger> cachegrind, callgrind and massif to the resuce ^^
[15:37] <rbelem> they are working on arm now :-)
[15:37] <apachelogger> still I wouldnt want to use them there :P
[15:37] <Riddell> steveire: "Note that you have to enable KDEPIM_MOBILE_UI if you want to run these applications on a mobile device."  what's the difference?
[15:38]  * apachelogger ponders doing his PoC implementation of a phonon graphicsscene video player on maemo
[15:38] <apachelogger> certainly takes away the resizable-window use case
[15:39] <steveire> Riddell: Some widgets are different in their .ui files etc for maemo colors/styles and aspect ratio iirc.
[15:39] <steveire> And you get an event editor suitable for touch screens, rather than the regular korg one etc
[15:41] <Riddell> steveire: why is notes-mobile not knotes-mobile?
[15:42] <steveire> We introduced inconsistency to keep you on your toes.
[15:42] <steveire> That was brought up recently actually. I guess we should change it.
[15:42] <steveire> I'll look into it later.
[15:43] <Riddell> steveire: are they also likely to be renamed to e.g. kmail-touch ?
[15:43] <steveire> That remains to be seen I think. The discussion around these things is ongoing on the pim and mobile mailing listts.
[15:44] <Quintasan> lol debian magic
[15:44] <rbelem> shadeslayer, where android lives.. we can live there too. if it is arm v6 or v7 :-)
[15:44] <Quintasan> I installed it and after reboot I get grub_xputs error
[15:44] <steveire> Hopefully it will all be sorted out by next week.
[15:44] <Riddell> steveire: ok I'll keep the packaging as -mobile for now, it's only going in a PPA so not that important
[15:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also we can actually be fast :P
[15:44] <steveire> Ok.
[15:45] <steveire> When will that be? I'll point people to it for testing.
[15:45] <steveire> Is it natty only?
[15:46] <Riddell> steveire: we'll do maverick too
[15:48] <steveire> Use the most recent Qt you can btw. Some fixes are only in Qt 4.7.2
[15:50] <ScottK> Is that released?
[15:51] <steveire> Nope.
[15:51] <steveire> Just use Qt 4.7.1 I guess
[15:51] <steveire> I don't think there's even betas of 4.7.2 yet.
[15:52] <ScottK> We've got 4.7.1 + patches in Natty now.
[15:54] <cpatrick2008> is the qt4.7.1available in maverick
[15:54] <Riddell> cpatrick2008: no
[15:54] <cpatrick2008> ok thanks
[15:59] <Riddell> yofel: kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.6-beta-1
[15:59] <shadeslayer> \o/
[15:59] <shadeslayer> rbelem: kewl :D
[16:00] <shadeslayer> rbelem: it would be supreme if we can cover as many devices as possible
[16:00] <Riddell> 4.6 beta 2 tars are due yesterday by the way :)
[16:00] <yofel> Riddell: :D
[16:00] <yofel> hehe
[16:00] <yofel> not much of a break ^^
[16:04] <rbelem> shadeslayer, the major problem are kernel drivers and bootloader
[16:05] <ScottK> Riddell: You're hanging around for the release time meeting?
[16:06] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm here for another 55 mins
[16:06] <ScottK> OK
[16:06] <shadeslayer> rbelem: hmm... ill contact unrevoked :)
[16:06] <Riddell> so depends where we are on the schedule
[16:07] <ScottK> Riddell: I think Bug #684703 is worth mentioning.
[16:07] <ScottK> Getting that fixed will make it a lot easier to get all archs built.
[16:07] <rbelem> shadeslayer, cool :-)
[16:07] <ScottK> It affect C++, so I doubt anyone else will care.
[16:09] <Riddell> bulldog98: this is for kdepim if you are able to do a review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libassuan2
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell: cant we just rebuild the beta packages against kde 4.6 for now?
[16:14] <shadeslayer> or are there build failiures 
[16:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what if people aren't using 4.6?
[16:15] <shadeslayer> erm.. so how will you handle 2 KDE PIM beta packages for maverick? one in the experimental PPA and the other  in ....
[16:16] <shadeslayer> ( built against 2 different KDE versions )
[16:16] <apachelogger> wow
[16:16] <apachelogger> rbelem: does there need so much stuff on the mobile image?
[16:18] <Riddell> shadeslayer: good question
[16:19] <shadeslayer> oh my oh my.... i have to write about Qt for my magazine ...
[16:19] <Riddell> your magazine?
[16:19] <rbelem> apachelogger, we need to split the packages, kdebase-workspace-bin is one of them
[16:19] <apachelogger> nah
[16:19] <apachelogger> I mean other than that
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im the editor of my departmental magazine
[16:19] <apachelogger> there is like plenty of kdegames
[16:19] <apachelogger> and kdeedu
[16:19] <apachelogger> and stuff
[16:19] <shadeslayer> which has a total of .... 10 readers :P
[16:20] <apachelogger> ktouch?
[16:20] <apachelogger> kmag?
[16:20] <apachelogger> ...
[16:20] <Riddell> kalgebra needs split
[16:20] <Riddell> there's a kalgebramobile now
[16:20] <shadeslayer> hmm....
[16:20] <KukuNut> zsync is not updating the plymouth splash..still showing kubuntu 10.10?
[16:20] <Riddell> although it didn't know the answer to 2-2.01 when I tried
[16:21] <Riddell> KukuNut: what does zsync have to do with plymouth?
[16:21] <apachelogger> that is a tricky one anyway
[16:21] <shadeslayer> KukuNut: uh .. what 
[16:21] <KukuNut> Riddell: I use zsync to get the alpha iso and still shows 10.10
[16:22] <Riddell> KukuNut: so it's the daily iso which hasn't been updated
[16:22] <Riddell> KukuNut: indeed I don't think anyone has changed that
[16:22]  * apachelogger is wondering why a splash needs to show that anyway
[16:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think it's in the text only theme
[16:23] <Riddell> we could remove it I suppose
[16:23] <KukuNut> i don't care much about plymouth..just letting you know  :)
[16:23]  * rbelem needs to figure out what files plasma-mobile really needs
[16:24] <Riddell> "just finished uploading the first set of KDE 4.6  Beta2 tarballs."
[16:24] <Riddell> joy!
[16:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: they didnt give MD5 sums
[16:24] <shadeslayer> or do they give those only on re-uploads?
[16:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: they're also a day late.  want to propose yourself as new KDE release dude?
[16:25] <shadeslayer> lol ....
[16:25] <shadeslayer> no thanks :P
[16:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ...suggetions...
[16:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: for a app?
[16:25] <apachelogger> yes
[16:25] <shadeslayer> does maemo have a ubuntu one app :P
[16:25] <shadeslayer> because android does
[16:26] <apachelogger> Riddell: if dirk allowed me to make him a release script this would all be way more efficient...
[16:26] <shadeslayer> so does windows apparently
[16:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: innovation!!!!
[16:26]  * apachelogger beings to think that shadeslayer is not very creative
[16:27]  * rbelem goes to lunch
[16:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: hmm ... i dont have access to the maemo market or whatever its called, so i cant really tell whats available and whats not
[16:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if it is on one platform it is not innovative!
[16:28] <shadeslayer> whats on one platform ?
[16:28] <apachelogger> any platform
[16:28] <apachelogger> is one platform
[16:28] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:29] <shadeslayer> you mean you want a app that no other platform has?
[16:29]  * yofel found u1sdtool amusing, tried to connect my kubuntu machine, got to the point where it said to check mail for verification code... never got a mail
[16:29] <apachelogger> primarily I want something new
[16:29] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:29] <apachelogger> yofel: probably ended up in spam, where it belongs
[16:29] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[16:30] <yofel> apachelogger: I checked every folder, well, maybe u1 recognised itself as spam and never sent the mail XD
[16:31] <apachelogger> nah
[16:31] <apachelogger> it is not smart enough
[16:31] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you make a remote control app that controls your media player such as amarok ?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> on your PC
[16:32] <shadeslayer> ( not the TV )
[16:32] <shadeslayer> like Dell usually have remotes etc with their laptop
[16:33] <shadeslayer> sort of replicate that functionality ...
[16:33] <apachelogger> video
[16:33] <apachelogger> sounds interesting
[16:33] <shadeslayer> dont have a video
[16:33] <shadeslayer> but basically, turn your phone into a remote
[16:33] <shadeslayer> to control your pc, via the infrared port
[16:34] <apachelogger> infrared is very 1990's ^^
[16:34] <apachelogger> bluetooth is the new star
[16:34] <shadeslayer> well... either that or bluetooth 
[16:35] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[16:35] <Riddell> Umbrello Mobile!
[16:35] <apachelogger> a remote for presentations
[16:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: dream on :P
[16:35] <apachelogger> it does not even work on a desktop... :P
[16:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: android has something for controlling your mouse etc
[16:37] <shadeslayer> but nothing to control media playback
[16:37] <apachelogger> well
[16:37] <apachelogger> silly android
[16:37] <shadeslayer> since it has no IR port, and no one thought about doing it over BT
[16:37] <apachelogger> one needs an app with plugin capability
[16:38] <shadeslayer> either way, i think it would be pretty kool if you can integrate the media player on your mobile device with amaro
[16:38] <shadeslayer> *amarok
[16:38] <apachelogger> better yet
[16:38] <apachelogger> amarok on your mobile phone :P
[16:38] <shadeslayer> so you get the song playing on amarok onto your phone and you hit pause and the song on your PC gets paused
[16:38] <shadeslayer> meh
[16:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: even if it was free i wouldnt buy such a app
[16:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: there is an amarok plugin for that actually
[16:38] <shadeslayer> because amarok is awesome for PC's
[16:39] <apachelogger> works over the websss
[16:39] <shadeslayer> its called MPD right?
[16:39] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[16:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh btw what needs fixing in the kubuntu-web-shortcuts package
[16:41] <shadeslayer> apart from the URL thingy
[16:41] <shadeslayer> i uploaded a transitional package in the ppa
[16:42] <apachelogger> oh
[16:42] <apachelogger> nothing I think
[16:42] <apachelogger> if the transition is well that is
[16:42]  * apachelogger is wondering why madde doesnt have qt47
[16:43] <shadeslayer> eh .. whats that?
[16:43] <apachelogger> maemo app something envrionment
[16:43] <shadeslayer> ah
[16:44] <shadeslayer> didnt thiago say they released qt 4.7 for maemo recently
[16:44] <shadeslayer> with a update or something
[16:44] <apachelogger> yes
[16:44] <apachelogger> I have that
[16:44] <apachelogger> but for some reason the madde doesnt list a 4.7 target
[16:48] <apachelogger> nokia qt sdk also wants to install the 4.6 toolchain
[16:53] <apachelogger> http://appdeveloper.intel.com/en-us/meego-contest
[16:53] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[17:02] <ScottK> Riddell: Have a nice canoe.
[17:02] <Riddell> thanks ScottK, I may need to caboggan my way to get there
[17:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ooh nice
[17:07] <yofel> Riddell: could you upload kdeartwork to natty btw? the other things should already be there I think
[17:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: dont you think they would have recieved the first 50 entries?
[17:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I can still get 2k?
[17:10] <apachelogger> that will get me 10 SSDs
[17:10] <shadeslayer> ah 
[17:10] <shadeslayer> :D
[17:10] <shadeslayer> 2000 USD ... zomg
[17:11] <yofel> Riddell: actually kdebase is missing too
[17:12] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: gsoc is hard work compared with this...
[17:12] <shadeslayer> ^_^
[17:12]  * shadeslayer plans to do a GSoC project in 2011
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> grr, wifi is crappy here
[17:13] <apachelogger> ubuntuone for kde?
[17:13] <shadeslayer> lol
[17:13] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: lucky you, I do not even have wifi
[17:13] <shadeslayer> ^^ likewise here
[17:13]  * apachelogger shall buy a new device tomorrow
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> I'd take a wired connection honestly. This wifi connection keeps dropping frequently
[17:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: new device?
[17:14] <shadeslayer> what new device now
[17:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: possibly bookmark sharing in konqueror with myowncloud
[17:15] <shadeslayer> using libattica
[17:15] <shadeslayer> waiy
[17:15] <shadeslayer> wait...
[17:15] <shadeslayer> zomg .. i said konqueror
[17:15] <shadeslayer> s/konqueror/rekonq
[17:15]  * JontheEchidna found an ethernet cable
[17:18]  * apachelogger huggles JontheEchidna
[17:18]  * apachelogger huggles kronos
[17:18]  * apachelogger huggles shadeslayer
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: btw, did your GSOC project include some generic Qt-UbuntuSSO bits?
[17:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: depends on what you mean by generic?
[17:19] <cpatrick2008> i upgraded to natty and my taskbar is funny here is a screen shot of my taskbar http://tinypic.com/r/vp9195/7
[17:19] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: like, could Muon use it for login if it wanted to allow users to buy things from canonical's software store?
[17:20] <apachelogger> in the ultimate hardcore hacking week I did past gsoc I implemented a kde (or was it Qt?) ui for the new ubuntuss
[17:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: technically
[17:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ubuntu-sso has a sort-of ui/backend seperation right now
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> cpatrick2008: looks like a video driver issue. intel?
[17:20] <cpatrick2008> yes
[17:20] <apachelogger> so all you need is to stack a kdeui module into the backend
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> cpatrick2008: I'm having some of the same corruption. (I've had to turn off desktop effects)
[17:20] <apachelogger> for technical reasons I did not come to know whether my ui actually works
[17:20] <cpatrick2008> ok thanks
[17:21] <apachelogger> it is c++ and exported as pyth0rn module using SIP
[17:21]  * apachelogger is wondering why routing the n900 does not work properly
[17:22] <cpatrick2008> turned off desktop effects going to restart to see if it works brb
[17:22] <JontheEchidna> I am thinking that for my GSoC I could maybe pick up on the SSO stuff where you left off, and then implement canonical's "For purchase" channel in to the Muon Software Center
[17:22] <apachelogger> or rather, it is routing it but somehow the nslookups fail
[17:22] <rbelem> apachelogger, check the /etc/resolv.conf
[17:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: sounds like a reasonable plan
[17:22] <apachelogger> rbelem: well it is empty
[17:23] <apachelogger> then again
[17:23]  * apachelogger connects to 3g
[17:23] <rbelem> :-D
[17:23]  * shadeslayer huggles apachelogger
[17:23] <apachelogger> rbelem: doesnt really change with 3g either
[17:23] <rbelem> apachelogger, copy the resolv.conf from your pc? are you connected via usb?
[17:23] <apachelogger> yes
[17:23] <apachelogger> rbelem: well, I want something that is easy to use :P
[17:24] <apachelogger> btw, there is the mad developer package which makes upping usb0 one touch
[17:24] <cpatrick2008> that fixed it
[17:24] <rbelem> apachelogger, you need to set nameserver 127.0.0.1 in resolv.conf
[17:25] <rbelem> apachelogger, maemo5 uses dnsmasq
[17:25] <apachelogger> meh
[17:25] <cpatrick2008> on my desktop the KDEuBolg says Your accound information is incomplete
[17:26] <apachelogger> hm
[17:26] <apachelogger> rbelem: no tracepath around it seems?
[17:26]  * apachelogger is not sure what connection gets used ^^
[17:26] <rbelem> apachelogger, run route -n
[17:27] <rbelem> apachelogger, probably it has two default gateways
[17:27] <apachelogger> well, yes, my pc is listed before 000000
[17:27] <apachelogger> BUT
[17:27] <apachelogger> if my pc fails to route it would use 00000000
[17:27] <apachelogger> so... ;)
[17:27]  * apachelogger installs wireshark
[17:28] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/jfVxr0EW.html <- lots of testing last night, apparently :P
[17:28] <rbelem> apachelogger, just remove one of default gws `route del default <gw ip>`
[17:28] <yofel> JontheEchidna: is that muon history or apt history?
[17:29] <JontheEchidna> yofel: apt
[17:29] <yofel> cool :D
[17:29] <apachelogger> :O
[17:29] <apachelogger> rbelem: that is not good enough :P
[17:29] <rbelem> :-)
[17:29] <apachelogger> hm
[17:29] <apachelogger> so
[17:30] <apachelogger> it sends a dns request 
[17:30] <apachelogger> and apaprently I get a query response
[17:30] <apachelogger> yet the maemo browser does not get the response
[17:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, maemo5 connection manager was not meant to handle multiple connections :-(
[17:30] <apachelogger> so either my pc is not routing it to the n900 or something else is wrong
[17:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, try ping your dns server
[17:31] <rbelem> apachelogger, do you use firewall?
[17:31] <apachelogger> rbelem: my dns server is 00000 ;)
[17:31] <rbelem> eheheh
[17:31] <apachelogger> n900 -> dns server 0 -> routes to pc -> pc routes to router -> router conducts lookup
[17:31] <cpatrick2008> on my desktop the KDEuBolg says Your accound information is incomplete
[17:32] <yofel> cpatrick2008: hm, let me try (as soon as I find the plasmoid..)
[17:32] <apachelogger> and I see a dns query response in wireshark
[17:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, never saw something like that before
[17:32] <apachelogger> it is most strange
[17:32] <cpatrick2008> ok
[17:33] <apachelogger> rbelem: only few can have this level of fancyness ;)
[17:33] <rbelem> eheheh
[17:33] <yofel> cpatrick2008: works for me after inputting my data (identi.ca)
[17:33] <yofel> 4.6 natty
[17:33] <cpatrick2008> your login data is what you imputed
[17:34] <apachelogger> rbelem: ok, I think the problem is routing of name  from my pc to the phone
[17:34] <yofel> yep, I clicked on configure and entered my login data, that was all
[17:34] <cpatrick2008> ok
[17:34] <apachelogger> pinging the actual address works though
[17:34] <apachelogger> very strange
[17:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, ping your router ip addr from n900
[17:35] <apachelogger> works
[17:35] <apachelogger> the routing itself is not the problem, it is the name resolution routing, for whatever reason that gets handled differently
[17:36] <cpatrick2008> is there a way to get it like it was in maerick where it showed updates like the ones the kubuntu.org website
[17:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, maemo5 is probably screwed 
[17:36] <apachelogger> entirely possible
[17:36] <apachelogger> kubuntu mobile ftw!
[17:37]  * rbelem hates maemo
[17:37] <rbelem> it is not a good distro
[17:37] <yofel> cpatrick2008: I don't see a difference between 4.5 and 4.6 here, maybe something isnt's set up right? I'm not sure what that would be since it seems to work here
[17:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, i always say to may colleagues  that if nokia decided to base maemo on ubuntu and hired canonical
[17:39] <apachelogger> oh god, not canonical :P
[17:39] <rbelem> the current scenario would be totally different today
[17:40] <yofel> rbelem: you want unity on your n900 ??
[17:40] <apachelogger> hire the kubuntu crew, have ScottK do his consultant thing and everyone is happy
[17:40] <cpatrick2008> here is a pic of my settings http://tinypic.com/r/3485xrc/7
[17:41] <apachelogger> rbelem: one cant get much better package management than JontheEchidna's
[17:41] <rbelem> yofel, it would probably run something in qt
[17:41] <yofel> cpatrick2008: where's your username/pw ?
[17:41]  * apachelogger hints to yofel that apachelogger has a poc Qt implementation of unity
[17:42]  * yofel wonders how that looks like...
[17:42] <apachelogger> on some stick
[17:42] <apachelogger> wonder which one though
[17:42] <rbelem> apachelogger, have ScottK would be awesome too
[17:42] <rbelem> but ScottK with super cow power inside nokia
[17:42] <yofel> cpatrick2008: ah wait, you meant those kubuntu.org entries? not sure what happened to them, probably the patch needs to be refreshed
[17:42]  * ScottK would be interested in that.
[17:43] <cpatrick2008> yes that is what i ment
[17:43] <cpatrick2008> oh ok know when it will be refreshed
[17:43] <rbelem> :-)
[17:43] <apachelogger> brrr
[17:43] <apachelogger> the meego shell also starts incredibly slow
[17:44] <apachelogger> but it does lazy initialization of its widget
[17:44] <apachelogger> even without priority handling it seems
[17:45] <yofel> cpatrick2008: nope, file a bug so it's not forgotten (kdeplasma-addons package)
[17:45] <cpatrick2008> ok will do
[17:45] <shadeslayer> natter: \o
[17:46] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you notice io on microsd?
[17:46] <shadeslayer> natter: whats the name of the patch?
[17:46] <shadeslayer> oh nvm
[17:46] <apachelogger> s/meego/maemo
[17:46] <natter> langauage differentiator oatch 85
[17:46] <natter> *patch
[17:46] <apachelogger> rbelem: since it was maemo, no
[17:47] <shadeslayer> natter: right, this one http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdebase-runtime/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_85_language_selector.diff
[17:47] <natter> its in kdebase runtime
[17:47] <natter> shadeslayer: yes
[17:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: this language selector patch looks trivial .. i can actually understand what it does :P
[17:47] <apachelogger> not mine
[17:47] <shadeslayer> note ... it *looks* trivial
[17:48]  * apachelogger would not edit ui files
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: seems to be your doing in the intial import
[17:48] <apachelogger> breaks way to easily
[17:48] <natter> shadeslayer: its for 4.4.80 files.. not for 4.5.80.. so how can i continue further?
[17:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so we're re-doing the patch, recommendations?
[17:48] <apachelogger> and given appropriate surrounding one can achieve the same effect by insertWidget() on layouts
[17:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: yes, redo from cratch and incroporate it into the kcm and whatnot
[17:49] <apachelogger> ...what I have been whining about before maverick...
[17:49] <shadeslayer> lol @ cratch
[17:49] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:49] <shadeslayer> natter: ^^
[17:49] <apachelogger> at the very least get rid of the ui file changes
[17:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you do love KCM modules dont you :P
[17:49] <apachelogger> I guess the patch now breaks in the ui
[17:49] <shadeslayer> probably
[17:50] <apachelogger> they are hot and sexy
[17:50] <shadeslayer> im just looking through it
[17:50] <apachelogger> and the locale one is one with bad code design IIRC
[17:50] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203352 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/libmuon/HistoryView/HistoryView.cpp Use KLocale::formatTime() on our QDateTime so that we can get "Today"/"Yesterday"/ weekday names in the history categories
[17:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger:  *proc << "/usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu";        like .... that can certainly be made better ...
[17:52] <cpatrick2008> ok reported bug 
[17:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how is that?
[17:52] <shadeslayer> possibly with KProcess::start ?
[17:52] <apachelogger> no?
[17:53] <apachelogger> you need a heap object because yo uneed to attach a slot to it
[17:54] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:54] <shadeslayer> natter: read up on Qt Signals and slots from Qt docs site
[17:55] <natter> shadeslayer: have read them. i have basic idea of using and implementing them.,
[17:55] <shadeslayer> ohk kewl
[17:56] <natter> shadeslayer: do i need to start from the scratch then?
[17:56] <shadeslayer> yep
[17:56] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: seems nokia only made a new sysroot for qt4.7 for meego, not for maemo
[17:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: comes back to my previous point about meego being the future
[17:57] <shadeslayer> possibly nag thiago ? :P
[17:57]  * apachelogger nags thiago too much already :P
[17:57] <ScottK> Not for maemo I don't think.
[17:57] <natter> shadeslayer: then i need more documentation of language selector. from where can i get it then?
[17:57]  * apachelogger wouldnt really want to use meego right now
[17:58] <shadeslayer> natter: uh.. if youve read signals and slots, i think you can quite easily understand whats happening in the patch
[17:58] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, on second thought maybe one should also rewrite language selector while at it ;)
[17:58] <apachelogger> to better suite integrational needs in the kcm and what not
[17:58] <shadeslayer> language selector?
[17:58] <apachelogger> also possibly rewrite in not-pyth0rn
[17:58] <shadeslayer> whaaa
[17:58] <apachelogger> since the python stuff is unmaintained
[17:58] <apachelogger> ...
[17:58] <apachelogger> keep the backend and gui seperated
[17:59] <shadeslayer> hmm
[17:59] <apachelogger> then send the backend to canonical and tell them to use it for the gtk version
[17:59] <shadeslayer> whats qt-language-selector ... never seen it before
[17:59] <shadeslayer> oh
[17:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^ is that what your talking about?
[18:00] <apachelogger> yes
[18:00] <natter> shadeslayer: i am getting it but what would be the GUI then?? should i decide myself?
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ok... because i just got a python backtrace when i ran it
[18:00] <shadeslayer> because Quintasan broke SIP
[18:00] <shadeslayer> :>
[18:00] <apachelogger> thank you Quintasan
[18:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if it were ported to c++ it would right now not backtrace away
[18:01] <shadeslayer> natter: GUI should be the same as the current one .... imo ...
[18:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: *nod*
[18:01]  * apachelogger notes that current gui is utter design fail
[18:01] <apachelogger> if you keep it I will ask the canonical design team to come after you...
[18:02] <apachelogger> with a gigantic orange head that looks like it is giving a bj or something... :P
[18:02] <shadeslayer> lol
[18:02] <natter> then new gui need to designed to make it successful?
[18:02] <shadeslayer> natter: ok new GUI then
[18:02] <natter> ;-p..
[18:02] <yofel> KDE 4.5.85 open on ktown
[18:02] <shadeslayer> because i dont want the design team after me
[18:03] <apachelogger> [click here if your browser does not automatically redirect you]
[18:03] <shadeslayer> ( rekonq crashes at this point )
[18:03]  * apachelogger wonders why one gets put somewhere from where one needs to be redirect again if it does not work in every browser
[18:03] <shadeslayer> [ you mail backtrace to b.k.o where it never gets looked at ]
[18:03] <natter> shadeslayer: so what modifications need to be done in new gui??
[18:03] <yofel> ScottK: can you upload kdeartwork and kdebase from bzr to natty? Riddell seems away
[18:03] <ScottK> Ah.  There is it.
[18:03] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:04] <ScottK> Probably.
[18:04] <yofel> thanks
[18:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: natter posibly for the new language selector, give the user a list of all languages we offer, and a search box at the top and multiple tickboxes to install lang packs?
[18:06] <apachelogger> WRONG
[18:06] <shadeslayer> natter: lets read the ubuntu design guidelines before apachelogger sends the design team after us
[18:06] <apachelogger> I was born with the wrong sign
[18:06] <apachelogger> int he wrong house
[18:06] <apachelogger> with the wron ascendancy
[18:06] <natter> yes.. we need to
[18:06] <apachelogger> i took the wrong road
[18:06] <yofel> btw, can anyone with gcc knowledge maybe tell me wth goes wrong here? I blame gcc 4.5 so far http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60010070/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-amd64.scribus-trunk_1.5.0svn201012022355-12~natty1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:06] <apachelogger> that led to the wrong tendencies
[18:06] <apachelogger> ...
[18:06] <shadeslayer> natter: http://design.canonical.com/
[18:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that sounds like a decent enough starting point
[18:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: also consider how you want to *integrate* it into the KCM
[18:07] <apachelogger> right now it is not integrated, it is buttoned in...
[18:07] <natter> shadeslayer: ok.. whai will i gather from this link?
[18:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: would it fit under locale?
[18:08] <apachelogger> where is that?
[18:08] <apachelogger> you mean the languages box?
[18:08] <shadeslayer> the language selector box
[18:08] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:08] <apachelogger> well
[18:08] <apachelogger> that is also something to consider quite frankly
[18:08] <apachelogger> the box there has scope to the user, and language-selector to the system
[18:08] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[18:08] <apachelogger> so one should somehow make a visual distinction
[18:09] <apachelogger> which would possibly be in favor of having the language-selector stuff on an own tab
[18:09] <shadeslayer> and the first thing it says is : Country/Region & Language
[18:09] <apachelogger> or even own cateogry and not integrated in this particular KCM at all
[18:09] <shadeslayer> thats what i was thinking
[18:09] <apachelogger> (i.e. an KCM of its own  - "System Locale")
[18:09] <shadeslayer> well ... i rather think, it would go better under locale
[18:10] <apachelogger> you make the choice, I will then poke you :P
[18:10] <ScottK> yofel: You have to fix the missing link.  See http://wiki.debian.org/ToolChain/DSOLinking
[18:10] <shadeslayer> natter: see under toolkit
[18:10] <yofel> ScottK: thanks
[18:10] <shadeslayer> uh
[18:10] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:10] <natter> shadeslayer:which option under it?
[18:10] <ScottK> I see we have -bindings for beta2.  That'll be fun.
[18:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres no guideline for apps as such there
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ScottK: if theyve fixed bindings do let us know
[18:11] <shadeslayer> us as in me, yofel or Quintasan
[18:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I know
[18:11] <ScottK> The tarball is there for packaging.
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ScottK: yes, but does it build etc
[18:11] <yofel> shadeslayer: I tried bindings trunk yesterday, didn't end well
[18:11] <shadeslayer> see :P
[18:11] <ScottK> I'd have to package it to know that, wouldn't I.
[18:12] <shadeslayer> yeah ... :D
[18:12] <apachelogger> bindings is dead until rc
[18:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: ^^
[18:12] <shadeslayer> great, no ktorrent till then 
[18:12]  * apachelogger had a chat with rdale about this some time ago, seems that most of bindings development only goes on past library whatever freeze
[18:12] <apachelogger> up until then you have to be happy if it compiles
[18:12] <apachelogger> let alone works
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what do we do then? for app design guide lines
[18:13] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: follow KDE HIG
[18:13] <shadeslayer> natter: also look at http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG
[18:13] <shadeslayer> already looking at those
[18:13] <natter> shadeslayer: yep..
[18:13]  * apachelogger thinks that shadeslayer is throwing a bit much at natter ^^
[18:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: im in this with him :P
[18:14] <shadeslayer> so its a bit over my head too .... but yeah we'll learn together
[18:14] <apachelogger> mad man
[18:14] <natter> apachelogger: ;)...
[18:14] <shadeslayer> good thing my next exam is on monday :D
[18:15] <apachelogger> tuesday here
[18:15] <shadeslayer> anyone on natty?
[18:15] <yofel> shadeslayer: yep
[18:16] <shadeslayer> yofel: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental?field.series_filter=natty << can you check if you transition from kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts to kubuntu-web-shortcuts
[18:16] <shadeslayer> ohh
[18:16] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:16] <shadeslayer> for some reason ppa2 isnt there
[18:16] <apachelogger> rdieter: are you sure that kde-autostart-after does not wait for the apps to return? but rather that the apps return very early?
[18:16] <shadeslayer> and theres a spelling mistake in the changelog :P
[18:18] <rdieter> apachelogger: my minimal test case was ordered autostarted shell scripts that did nothing but 'sleep 2', and they all had a simultaneous timestamp
[18:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: ping me when you updated it then
[18:18] <ScottK> yofel: kdebase uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[18:18] <yofel> ScottK: thanks for uploading
[18:18] <ScottK> You're welcome.
[18:19] <shadeslayer> yofel: well .. its a trivial change really, just tell me if it updates ^_^
[18:19] <shadeslayer> bah
[18:19] <shadeslayer> distro is maverick in changelog
[18:19] <ScottK> Ugh.
[18:19] <ScottK> Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/main kdeartwork 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu3 (tar) [111MB]
[18:19] <rdieter> apachelogger: scripts all were, sleep 2; echo "$(date) >> $(HOME}/autostart.log ; sleep 2
[18:20] <yofel> shadeslayer: do I need to install both or just -web-shortcuts?
[18:20] <natter> shadeslayer; its just few rules given on http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG..
[18:20] <ScottK> kde-start-after-its-done-no-really-I-mean-it
[18:20] <shadeslayer> yofel: it should work on a upgrade
[18:20] <shadeslayer> nothing else
[18:20] <rdieter> ScottK: lolz, yeah
[18:21] <shadeslayer> since kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts is a transitional package
[18:21] <natter> shadeslayer: so let we start desgining using kde4 guidelines...?????
[18:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu-web-shortcuts should NOT provide kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts right?
[18:22] <shadeslayer> natter: yes
[18:22] <shadeslayer> natter: you read all of http://developer.kde.org/documentation/design/ui/
[18:22] <shadeslayer> :O
[18:23] <shadeslayer> im not even past the first page yet :P
[18:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: aye
[18:23] <natter> shadeslayer:ok..;-)
[18:23] <natter> wil read it.. 
[18:23] <yofel> shadeslayer: well, -web-shortcuts removes -konqueror-shortcuts
[18:24] <shadeslayer> yofel: ok thats good
[18:24] <apachelogger> oh
[18:24] <apachelogger> right
[18:24] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/screencasts/kontact-touch.avi
[18:24]  * apachelogger wished kubuntu had a kolab testing server :(
[18:25]  * shadeslayer wishes kubuntu had more clones of apachelogger
[18:26] <apachelogger> metoo
[18:28]  * rbelem wants to be like apachelogger 
[18:31] <shadeslayer> rbelem: you mean a apachelogger_clone
[18:35] <apachelogger> https://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/kubuntu-11-04-sneak-peek-uds-cookie/
[18:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lol @ superficial tech blah blah blah
[18:37] <apachelogger> ^^
[18:38] <ScottK> yofel: artwork uploaded too.  Thanks again.
[18:45]  * ScottK is saddened his de-halification work didn't make it to the might-eat-bunnies level.
[18:46]  * apachelogger grows ever so amazed from reading comments
[18:52] <shadeslayer> Use splash screens on startup, and other tricks to reduce perceived latency (for example, save an image of the app at last use and display this as it starts up).     :: KDE pulls this off
[18:53]  * yofel leaves kdelibs to someone else, bbl
[18:55] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:57] <_Groo_> could any kind soul fix kdelibs5-dev which is missing a ~ in the control file for libkwebkit-dev (<< 0.9svn1123738) ence not allowing libkwebkit-dev to be installed properly?
[18:57] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what is that?
[18:57] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: KSplash
[18:57] <shadeslayer> or whatever its called
[18:57] <apachelogger> wah?
[18:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: can you do it apache?
[18:59] <_Groo_> apachelogger: for maverick
[19:00] <apachelogger> what version where when how omg
[19:00]  * apachelogger has a nervous break down and points towards shadeslayer
[19:00] <_Groo_> apachelogger: kdelibs5-dev in maverick
[19:00] <_Groo_> the last line in the control file
[19:00] <shadeslayer> whut
[19:00] <shadeslayer> eh
[19:00] <_Groo_> has libkwebkit-dev (<< 0.9svn1123738) and it should be libkwebkit-dev (<< 0.9~svn1123738)
[19:01] <shadeslayer> _Groo_: where? what?
[19:01] <apachelogger> eh
[19:01] <apachelogger> that sounds wrong
[19:01]  * yofel is back after all
[19:01] <yofel> _Groo_: where the hell do you have libqtwebkit-dev 0.9?
[19:01] <JontheEchidna> libkwebkit-dev
[19:01] <_Groo_> yofel: standard maverick packages, and its libKwebit not qt
[19:01] <apachelogger> why does that have << anyway
[19:01] <yofel> erk sorry
[19:02] <apachelogger> hold on there fellas
[19:02] <apachelogger> libkwebkit is coming from kdelibs is it not?
[19:02] <_Groo_> try to install libkwebkit-dev in maverick and youll see what i mean
[19:02] <yofel> he's right
[19:02] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its a reverse dependency of kdelibs5-dev
[19:03]  * apachelogger scratches head
[19:03] <_Groo_> if you install kdelibs5-dev it works, you try to install libkwebkit-dev and it breaks, cause the control file of kdelibs is broken, missing a ~
[19:04] <yofel> _Groo_: wait, kdelibs5-dev REPLACES libkwebkit-dev (<<0.9svn1123738), so you're not supposed to have libkwebkit installed
[19:04] <_Groo_> and since libkwebit needs kdelibs... classic dependencie lock
[19:04]  * apachelogger is with yofel
[19:04] <apachelogger> libkwebkit was merged into kdelibs as libkdewebkit IIRC
[19:04] <apachelogger> that said we probably should have removed the binaries from maverick
[19:05] <_Groo_> apachelogger: its part of kdelibs BUT its a separate package
[19:05] <apachelogger> that does not make sense at all
[19:06] <apachelogger> hm
[19:06] <yofel> hm, something odd here, libkwebkit comes from webkitkde
[19:06] <apachelogger> this needs investigation
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> libkwebkit-dev is for building things against the kpart
[19:06] <_Groo_> apachelogger: kdelibs calls libkwebkit1 (that one is ok) but libkwebit-dev is broken cause kdelibs is missing a ~
[19:06] <apachelogger> kdewebkit creates kpart and libkwebkit*
[19:06] <_Groo_> am i talking cantonese here?
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> it's not the actual webkit integration libraries
[19:06] <apachelogger> kdelibs creates libkdewebkit, which replaces libkwebkit
[19:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: then why does kdeflips-dev break it
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> because it used to have libkdewebkit shizz in it too
[19:06] <yofel> we didn't backport webkitkde
[19:07] <_Groo_> libkwebkit-dbg - KDE bindings for WebKit, Development files libkwebkit-dev - KDE bindings for WebKit, Development files libkwebkit1 - KDE bindings for WebKit libkdewebkit5 - the KDE WebKit Library
[19:07] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: nah that does not make sense
[19:07] <ScottK> In any case the version in is rong.
[19:07] <ScottK> rong/wrong
[19:07] <ScottK> I'm fixing it in Natty
[19:07] <_Groo_> in maverick the dev packages are the libkwebit ones
[19:07]  * apachelogger goes blaming, for someone is clearly in need of a refresh on proper package relations
[19:07] <yofel> natty has  0.9.6 which installs fine
[19:08] <_Groo_> its just a stupid typing bug!
[19:08] <_Groo_> just add a ~ in the control file
[19:08] <apachelogger> no no no
[19:08] <apachelogger> the bug is that it should not have a breaks relation
[19:08] <apachelogger> *at all*
[19:08] <_Groo_> apachelogger: even better :)
[19:09] <_Groo_> The following packages have unmet dependencies:  libkwebkit-dev : Depends: kdelibs5-dev but it is not going to be installed
[19:09] <apachelogger> silly things
[19:09] <apachelogger> also I am drunk
[19:09] <apachelogger> must be firday
[19:09] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:09] <apachelogger> weekend
[19:09] <yofel> well, ScottK is right, it needs the version fixed, should work then
[19:09] <Quintasan> fcks
[19:09] <ScottK> Someone else do Maverick PPA
[19:09] <yofel> ScottK: I will
[19:09] <Quintasan> bindings are dead until RC? :/
[19:09]  * _Groo_ is right then?
[19:10]  * _Groo_ was right all along?
[19:10] <yofel> _Groo_: seems so
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: it does need it, because all the includes for all the libraries that webkitkde used to ship were thrown into that -dev package
[19:10] <Quintasan> apachelogger: gimmie some beer
[19:10] <yofel> _Groo_: a bit confusing
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> some were moved to kdelibs
[19:10] <ScottK> Quintasan: tarball is there for beta 2.  No idea if it works.
[19:10]  * _Groo_ wants cookie for bug hunting!
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> kdelibs5-dev really does have files that used to be in libkwebkit-dev
[19:10] <Quintasan> ScottK: I bet it will not but let me try it
[19:10] <yofel> apachelogger: get kubotu back, Riddell kicked him and order cookies for _Groo_
[19:10] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: exactly
[19:11] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: also the problem with this -dev is that a ~ is missing in the file version, so he thinks the file isnt there
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yes, it doesn't make sense. the files were thrown in libkwebkit-dev improperly by debian. But the fact is that they were in libkwebkit-dev and now are in kdelibs5-dev
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> the lack of a ~ makes it look for a version higher that 0.9~svn
[19:12] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: kdelibs5-dev : Breaks: libkwebkit-dev (< 0.9svn1123738) but 0.9~svn1127626-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> since 0.9svn is a higher version that 0.9~svn
[19:12] <JontheEchidna> ~ is a special character that is the alphabetical-lowest in debain versioning
[19:12] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: exactly.. what i was saying all along.. add the damn ~ in the kdelibs-dev control fine and it should work
[19:12] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: i know :D
[19:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: this is all a pile of phonon right there
[19:12] <apachelogger> yofel: no
[19:12] <apachelogger> it is futile
[19:13]  * apachelogger will not bring kubotu back
[19:13] <apachelogger> let it rot
[19:13] <yofel> :(
[19:13] <Quintasan> FFFF
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: for the longest time I had to put up a "DO NOT MERGE PL0X" warning on merges.ubuntu.com to avoid insanity...
[19:13] <_Groo_> poor bot
[19:13]  * apachelogger is not going to start that stupid thing daily
[19:13]  * Quintasan hits apachelogger with an empty mug
[19:14] <_Groo_> i wouldnt be pestering you guys, but some packages need those files, like choqok support of webkit
[19:14]  * apachelogger throws his keybord across the channel hoping it to land on Quintasan's foot
[19:14] <apachelogger> wah
[19:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: you kind missed
[19:14] <_Groo_> and i cant add it to a ppa, cause it will break the build since the oficial package is broken
[19:14] <Quintasan> apachelogger: kind of*
[19:14] <apachelogger> jesus
[19:14] <apachelogger> and luke
[19:14] <apachelogger> and brian
[19:14] <apachelogger> what the flying nimbus
[19:15] <apachelogger> why does showkoq depend on libkwebkit?
[19:15] <ScottK> _Groo_: Fixed in Natty.  Thanks for letting us know.
[19:15] <yofel> _Groo_: which version or libs are you talking about btw?
[19:15] <apachelogger> and why is it called libkwebkit anyway
[19:15] <apachelogger> and why does it exist
[19:15] <_Groo_> ScottK: pls do maverick too, and i want my cookie!
[19:15] <apachelogger> ...
[19:15] <Quintasan> which phonon backend we "support" now?
[19:15] <yofel> _Groo_: (I'm assuming 80)
[19:15] <CIA-24> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101203191540-pg7pxpjcikh4p506 * debian/ (changelog control) Fix breaks version for libkwebkit-dev
[19:15]  * apachelogger goes mad over all this silly stuff and continues reading comments
[19:15] <ScottK> _Groo_: I'm not set up for uploading to the PPA and it's more to do than I have time.  Hopefully yofel will do it.
[19:15] <_Groo_> yofel: version of what libs?
[19:16] <_Groo_> ScottK: k, tks
[19:16] <yofel> _Groo_: ask apachelogger for cookies, my box is empty. And I meant kdelibs, 4.5.80 right?
[19:16] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/Android/device.png
[19:16] <_Groo_> ScottK: but its not the ppa, its broken in all maverick, including the kde shipped
[19:16] <apachelogger> damn them cookies
[19:16] <apachelogger> no cookies
[19:16] <_Groo_> yofel: no, 4.5.4
[19:16] <apachelogger> no bot -> no cookies -> no xmas
[19:17] <_Groo_> again
[19:17] <yofel> _Groo_: ok, then it was broken in 4.5.4 and 4.5.80
[19:17] <yofel> ScottK: can I fix 4.5.4 too?
[19:17] <_Groo_> kdelibs-dev is broken is MAIN maverick and in PPA maverick for version 4.5.x
[19:17] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: looks like a spaceship on H
[19:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: its the compass on a spaceship
[19:17] <yofel> _Groo_: if you want 4.5.1 fixed we'll need an SRU
[19:17] <_Groo_> yofel: yeah, im reapping my lungs with this bug for 3 months now!
[19:17] <shadeslayer> with a universal GPS lock :>
[19:17] <ScottK> yofel: Sure
[19:17] <yofel> will do then
[19:17] <apachelogger> also your top thing bar is sort of filled up with plunder
[19:18] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna said it would be fixed this time.. so i forgot about it
[19:18] <_Groo_> and yes, i was lazy not opening a bug report :P
[19:18] <JontheEchidna> I don't think I ever said that...
[19:18] <_Groo_> im VERY lazy
[19:18] <apachelogger> also spacing of the fonts are funny
[19:18] <apachelogger> to sum this up
[19:18] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: yeah you did, but it was like 3 months ago
[19:18] <apachelogger> whoever designed this app has no sense for good looks at all
[19:18] <_Groo_> JontheEchidna: relax, it was a comment, not a oficial statement
[19:18] <apachelogger> probably is in a relationship with a stone or something
[19:19] <apachelogger> though there are beautiful stones
[19:19] <apachelogger> so
[19:19] <apachelogger> s/stone/ugly stone/
[19:19] <JontheEchidna> perhaps I said it would be fixed in natty because of the new webkitkde version
[19:19]  * _Groo_ wonders how much of apachelogger work is done while drunk ;)
[19:19] <ScottK> _Groo_: For the SRU, we need a bug report with a test case that shows how to test it.
[19:19] <ScottK> _Groo_: Get me that and I'll upload the SRU.
[19:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you need todo management right there
[19:20] <_Groo_> ScottK: wtf is a SRU?
[19:20] <apachelogger> oh
[19:20] <apachelogger> phoronix is doing silly reviews of you bun too again
[19:20] <ScottK> _Groo_: Stable Release Update.  So we can fix maverick.
[19:20] <apachelogger> It does not look too different from the Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook Edition interface and it is still far from being finished. 
[19:20] <ScottK> !sru | _Groo_
[19:20] <_Groo_> ScottK: what would be a testcase in this case?
[19:20] <apachelogger> that reads like 10.10 was not finished
[19:20] <_Groo_> tks ubottu ;) finally some good info
[19:21] <Quintasan> apachelogger: where is your kcm for rendering method?
[19:21] <apachelogger> in the kcm nebula in the galaxy of sax
[19:21] <ScottK> _Groo_: Something like "Install kdelibs5-dev while foo is installed, see it fail.  Add maverick-proposed and update, try again. See it succeed."
[19:21] <apachelogger> also on kde-apps
[19:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: so im here currently :P http://maps.google.com/maps?q=loc:28.47887,77.04835
[19:22] <_Groo_> ScottK: but then i need to wait for the fix to go to proposed right?
[19:22]  * apachelogger finds it dangerous to publish such stuff since now some assasin could come and kill you
[19:22] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:22] <ScottK> _Groo_: Yes.  This is how we fix it for everyone.
[19:22] <Quintasan> apachelogger: do we have/want/will have a package?
[19:22] <_Groo_> btw to anyone interested, i would STRONGLY advice for natty to have veromix instead of kmix by default!
[19:22] <apachelogger> oh dear
[19:22] <apachelogger> too many words
[19:22]  * apachelogger forms 3 sentences
[19:22] <ScottK> shadeslayer: This is where you pretend to study while avoiding useful work?
[19:22] <_Groo_> its very VERY good
[19:22] <_Groo_> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=116676
[19:23] <apachelogger> do we will have a package aint does not make no sense!
[19:23] <apachelogger> !!!!
[19:23] <apachelogger> no sense at all
[19:23] <apachelogger> ...
[19:23] <apachelogger> Quintasan: well, you are the packag0r, you decide
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ScottK: this is where i study AND do usefull work when im free :)
[19:23] <apachelogger> but if you package, plz package the git overlord
[19:23] <apachelogger> it has supreme improvements
[19:23] <ScottK> So you say.
[19:23] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im also reading KDE HIG right now to help natter ... who ran off apparently
[19:23] <_Groo_> btw veromix doesnt need a package per se, it can be updated fir GHNS2
[19:23] <apachelogger> I told you
[19:24] <Quintasan> apachelogger: give me the linkzor cause I'm too lazy
[19:24] <apachelogger> you threw too much junk at him
[19:24] <apachelogger> ...
[19:24] <apachelogger> Quintasan: GTFLYILB
[19:24] <Quintasan> what?
[19:24] <shadeslayer> lol
[19:24] <_Groo_> ScottK: k, gonna wait for proposed to show up and then open a SRU
[19:24] <shadeslayer> if only kubotu was here
[19:24] <apachelogger> get the fucking link you incredibly lazy bastard
[19:24] <apachelogger> ...
[19:24] <ScottK> _Groo_: I need the bug before I can upload it.
[19:24] <apachelogger> why do people always ask me to swear in public
[19:24] <apachelogger> -.-
[19:24] <ScottK> (I need to put the bug number in debian/changelog)
[19:25] <apachelogger> any music recommendations for apachelogger?
[19:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i thought you were working on KDE Me Menu :P
[19:25] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: apachelogger is not working most of the time :P
[19:25] <ScottK> apachelogger: Flirting with the Devil, Van Halen.
[19:25] <Quintasan> apachelogger: Korpikaani - Vodka
[19:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: he just wants us to think he is
[19:26] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I was working on filling my status bar up with plunder
[19:26] <Quintasan> apachelogger: or Beer Beer
[19:26] <apachelogger> didnt work
[19:26] <apachelogger> n900 islandscape
[19:26] <Quintasan> islandscape? wtf
[19:26] <apachelogger> that is when you are on an island!
[19:26] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: also ... lol... android cant detect adhoc wifi networks
[19:26] <Quintasan> PACKAGING AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT
[19:26] <shadeslayer> hahaha ^^
[19:27] <apachelogger> androids are super stupid
[19:27] <apachelogger> I mean
[19:27] <apachelogger> think
[19:27] <apachelogger> data
[19:27] <apachelogger> is living in quite a while from now
[19:27] <rgreening> apachelogger: amd64 w/ gstreamer == not working for Amarok on my MP3s
[19:27] <Quintasan> apachelogger: stop rambling and go back to work
[19:27] <apachelogger> and even that far in the future androids are not nearly as sophisticated as humans
[19:27] <apachelogger> ...
[19:27] <rgreening> re: your blog
[19:27] <apachelogger> I am listening to flirting with the devil
[19:27] <apachelogger> no time for work when listening to music
[19:28] <apachelogger> rgreening: did you install all the gstreamer plugins?
[19:28]  * Quintasan forgot how to get tags from git
[19:28] <apachelogger> gititii
[19:28] <rgreening> all except the win32 which does not seem to exist in the archives and qapt-batch still wants to install it (under amd64)
[19:28] <yofel> Quintasan: git tag -l ?
[19:28] <_Groo_> rgreening: remove .gstreamer-0.10/ and do a gst-inspect-0.10
[19:28] <apachelogger> Quintasan: thy shall not get tags, but latest revision
[19:28] <_Groo_> rgreening: see if that works
[19:29] <rgreening> ok
[19:29] <Quintasan> apachelogger: 1.3-0ubuntu1~git_blame_apachelogger?
[19:29] <_Groo_> rgreening: if it does it once again proves gnome guys cant do a backend without *uking it up
[19:29]  * apachelogger takes his android phone and throws that too at Quintasan
[19:29] <_Groo_> rgreening: if it doesnt.. well the sentence is still true
[19:30] <Quintasan> yofel: it only lists tags, how do I get ceratin tag instead of master?
[19:30] <neversfelde> someone with a faster machine wants to do kdelibs? Otherwise I am going to start with it
[19:30] <yofel> Quintasan: git checkout <tag> I think  (or reset?)
[19:33] <apachelogger> Quintasan: welll
[19:33] <apachelogger> wellllll
[19:33] <apachelogger> vodka is a bit mediocre
[19:33] <apachelogger> "a bit"
[19:33] <apachelogger> well, maybe a bit more
[19:33] <apachelogger> ...
[19:33] <Quintasan> I don't give a damn, they have accordian hero
[19:34] <Quintasan> instead of going with typical solo on guitar they go with a solo on accordian @_@
[19:35] <Quintasan> apachelogger: think of a long description for this kcm and I will do the rest
[19:35] <rgreening> _Groo_: still doesn't play MP3's using gstreamer under AMD64
[19:35] <rgreening> apachelogger: ^^^^^^
[19:36] <_Groo_> rgreening: maverick or natty?
[19:36] <rgreening> natty
[19:36] <_Groo_> rgreening: what proggy are you using?
[19:36] <rgreening> amarok
[19:36] <rgreening> phonon backend using gstreamer as per apacheloggers last blog
[19:36] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203378 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (ApplicationProxyModel.cpp ApplicationProxyModel.h) Add search support in the proxy model. Still needs a GUI though
[19:36] <_Groo_> rgreening: yeah it sometimes doesnt do it... its very strange, it comes and goes in maverick, but usually gst-inspect solves it
[19:37] <rgreening> btw: apachelogger qapt-batch not working correctly as not all packages are existing for amd64 and it hangs qapt-batch
[19:37] <_Groo_> apachelogger: btw with latest pulseaudio git with the patches for vlc, phonon-vlc STILL crashes on exit :P sorry
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: maverick or natty?
[19:37] <rgreening> see above
[19:37] <rgreening> natty
[19:37]  * JontheEchidna is Mr. QApt
[19:37] <JontheEchidna> hmm, if a package does not exist it should pop up a dialog saying so
[19:38] <shadeslayer> im sleeping .. night all
[19:38] <rgreening> gstreamer pitfdll not installable and qapt-batch hung waiting for authorization(is wat it said)
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/8ZzmtNoN.html'
[19:38] <JontheEchidna> erm, http://imagebin.ca/view/8ZzmtNoN.html
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: pitfdll isn't on i386 either, but I got the error box
[19:39] <rgreening> nope. not here
[19:39] <rgreening> just hung indefinately
[19:40] <rgreening> still hanging now
[19:40] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/45Q30tR1 <-- is this good enough for kcm-qt-graphicssystem? :P
[19:40] <rgreening> i could play the jeopardy theme in amarok, but that isnt working with gstreamer and mp3s either
[19:40] <apachelogger> _Groo_: go talk to coling
[19:41] <_Groo_> oh btw,m anyone tested openoffice with the kde integration in natty, since you guys are using rest by default now?
[19:41] <apachelogger> though he is drinking right now I heared
[19:41] <rgreening> and still hung. so, no dialog
[19:41] <_Groo_> cause in maverick, openoffice crashes at startup when using kde integration, openofficesomething-kde
[19:41] <_Groo_> and raster enabled
[19:41] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, rgreening: that is going away anyway, dantti_work and I (more him than me) have been working on sophisticated gstreamer codec install magic
[19:41]  * apachelogger just needs to assemble the pieces
[19:41]  * _Groo_ is afraid now :D
[19:42] <rgreening> but will it make my mp3s work again
[19:43] <rgreening> cause not able to play mp3 with gstreamer+phonon in amarok sux
[19:43] <_Groo_> but will in run crysis?
[19:43] <Quintasan> apachelogger: which is still broken, QApt waits for authorization for eternity without any password dialog
[19:43]  * _Groo_ ducks...
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> oh, if a password dialog never comes up that's policykit-kde's fault
[19:43] <rgreening> JontheEchidna: no dialog for paSSWORD COMES UP
[19:43] <apachelogger> Quintasan: we use kpackagekit
[19:43] <apachelogger> ...
[19:43] <_Groo_> apachelogger: coling runs around here? or another channel?
[19:43] <apachelogger> kde-devel
[19:43] <apachelogger> or phonon
[19:43] <apachelogger> or mandriva
[19:43] <apachelogger> or pulseaudio
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: was talking about- Quintasan's problem
[19:43] <apachelogger> (I suppose)
[19:44] <_Groo_> apachelogger: k
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I'll also assume accidental caps :P
[19:44] <rgreening> :)
[19:44] <rgreening> of course
[19:44] <_Groo_> apachelogger: but i see you all over the place in git? why coling when i have the real thing right here
[19:45]  * _Groo_ finds much more amusing to pester apachelogger then coling
[19:45] <rgreening> phonon vlc should be the default
[19:45] <rgreening> :)
[19:45] <rgreening> least it works and allows me to play me mp3s
[19:45] <Quintasan> apachelogger: we should use Muon now, really
[19:45] <_Groo_> rgreening: phonon-vlc crashes on exit with pulseaudio
[19:45] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: and what can I do about it? :<
[19:45] <ScottK> apachelogger: Actually it was Running with the Devil, wasn't it?
[19:45] <_Groo_> best phonon so far is still xine unfortunaelly
[19:45] <apachelogger> ScottK: dunno, closed youtube already
[19:46]  * apachelogger fix0rs likeback
[19:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: It also ocurred to me that you might do an extended AC/DC marathon in honor of our Scottish overload (long may his canoe stay upright)
[19:46] <rgreening> _Groo_: so does gstreamer
[19:47] <rgreening> gobject issue probably
[19:47] <rgreening> with ref to threading
[19:47] <rgreening> :)
[19:47] <_Groo_> rgreening: yeah thats about it.. but doesnt ease the pain to know that
[19:47] <_Groo_> rgreening: the patches apachelogger pointed me to in pulse where suposed to fix that, but for me at least they didnt
[19:48]  * _Groo_ wonders if the number of cores might influence pulseaudio threads in any way
[19:48] <_Groo_> it shouldnt in theory
[19:48] <rgreening> I had similar issues with PyQt porting of a PyGtk app which used gobject. THere are ways to properly make this work, but in the end, I wrote out the gobject stuff.
[19:48] <_Groo_> but ive seen stranger things before
[19:49] <_Groo_> brb
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: have you upgraded to kde 4.6? I just remembered that the new libpolkit is binary-incompatible with the old version
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> the qaptworker is probably crashing when it tries to auth
[19:49] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: I think I did, and we have a solution
[19:49]  * ScottK leaves a dismissive comment in apachelogger's blog and gets back to work.
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> I made QApt trunk compile for both libpolkit versions, but I don't think I"ve done a release since that point
[19:50]  * apachelogger turns on moderation
[19:50] <JontheEchidna> I'll make a release this weekend
[19:50] <Quintasan> what the heck
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> I wanna get a gui for search in the Muon Software Center first before I do a qapt/muon release, though
[19:58] <_Groo_> ScottK: natty is still accepting feature requests for kubuntu?
[19:59] <ScottK> _Groo_: We are still implementing features.  At this point I think the team knows mostly what they plan to do.  If you want to do the work or can find someone willing, sure, but no guarantees.
[19:59] <_Groo_> ScottK: i would like to see if veromix could become the default audio mixer in kubuntu
[20:00] <_Groo_> ScottK: i can do the package and upload it to ninja or whatever
[20:00] <_Groo_> ScottK: since kubuntu is pulseaudio it would be an awesome feature
[20:00] <apachelogger> silly people -.-
[20:00] <_Groo_> ScottK: since it makes us feature parity with the new gnome audio mixer
[20:00] <ScottK> _Groo_: Normally we'd want to get it in the archive and give people a chance to experiment with it.  Also, kmix is part of the standard KDE distribution so we don't deviate from that without a significant reason.
[20:01] <ScottK> So the first step would be packaging it and then we can see.
[20:01] <_Groo_> ScottK: no no, kmix will be there, veromix its a plasmoid
[20:01] <_Groo_> ScottK: we dont lose anything
[20:01] <ScottK> I see.
[20:01] <_Groo_> ScottK: it would juts show up as default 
[20:01] <ScottK> So it replaces the U/I part of kmix.
[20:01] <ScottK> I'd say package it and we'll see.
[20:01] <ScottK> That's the first step anyway.
[20:01] <_Groo_> ScottK: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=116676
[20:02] <_Groo_> ScottK: it doesnt "replace" in the strict sense of overwriting
[20:02] <_Groo_> ScottK: you can have both
[20:02] <_Groo_> ScottK: but its much better already
[20:02] <_Groo_> ScottK: and since its a python plasmoid its very easy to maintain and update if needed
[20:03] <_Groo_> ScottK: version 0.9 even adds nowplaying integration like gnome volume
[20:03] <_Groo_> ScottK: im working with the author , clementine as a few bugs with him cause of mpris.
[20:03] <_Groo_> ScottK: but it should be in good shape for natty
[20:04] <_Groo_> ScottK: anyway play with it, ill try to make a package this weekend
[20:04] <ScottK> OK
[20:04] <_Groo_> and one for clock wallpaper.. but that one could go to backports too, its a awesome plasmoid too
[20:04] <_Groo_> ScottK: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Wallpaper+Clock?content=119563
[20:05] <Quintasan> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa/+packages <--- I published wrong version but this should work
[20:05] <_Groo_> k ppl seeya all tomorrow
[20:06] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203382 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ApplicationProxyModel.cpp Preseve Xapian search relevance when filtering search results
[20:06] <apachelogger> Quintasan: is it pr0n?
[20:06] <Quintasan> apachelogger:  >https://launchpad.net/~quintasan 
[20:06] <Quintasan> wtf
[20:06] <Quintasan> porn on my lp, where?
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> trollface.jpg
[20:07] <Quintasan> ffff
[20:07] <ScottK> Quintasan: Probably just apachelogger needing to listen to some Grateful Dead.  Don't mind him.
[20:08] <JontheEchidna> the real troll is that I just used .jpg
[20:11] <ScottK> That could be an online quiz show "The real Troll~"
[20:12] <Quintasan> I thinks it's time for a nap
[20:12] <Quintasan> Then I can work on something else
[20:13]  * apachelogger dances with Nightrose
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> baww, ksshaskpass isn't  working no more
[20:15] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203386 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (2 files in 2 dirs) Only cast the source model to ApplicationModel once here
[20:25] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203391 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (ApplicationBackend.cpp ApplicationBackend.h) Debconf support in the Muon Software Center. (It doesn't use the CommitWidget from libmuon)
[20:29] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’d like to help with beta 2 packaging
[20:31] <cpatrick2008> i did not think  beta 2 came out until wednesday
[20:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: do you need a tar?
[20:32] <apachelogger> cpatrick2008: packagers have exclusive pre-release access
[20:32] <bulldog98> apachelogger: yes
[20:33] <apachelogger> bulldog98: which one?
[20:33] <cpatrick2008> oh ok
[20:33] <bulldog98> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/~bulldog98/+sshkeys The JonathansRechner one
[20:34] <apachelogger> bulldog98: you are already in there?
[20:34] <apachelogger> twice actually
[20:35] <apachelogger> someone could not establish order it would seem
[20:36] <bulldog98> apachelogger: ssh @ktown.kde.org I don’t know the username for us can you help me out
[20:36] <yofel> ftpubuntu
[20:36] <yofel> bulldog98: ^
[20:36] <bulldog98> yofel: thank that’ll go into my .ssh/config
[20:38]  * bulldog98 got access
[20:39]  * apachelogger loves jt's way of handling silly bugs ^^
[20:49] <cpatrick2008> i was wondering if anybody has used kdepim what they thought of it compaired to the orgional kde
[21:11] <yofel> anyone doing kdelibs now?
[21:12] <yofel> neversfelde: gave up?
[21:12] <neversfelde> yofel: bzr is not working for unknown reasons
[21:15] <yofel> hm, works fine here, then I'll try it after all
[21:15] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: ping
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: pong
[21:17] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: say you have a widget that only contains a layout and 4 buttons, and you (currently) do not need the buttons after construction, would you hold them in the private object anyway?
[21:17] <apachelogger> (all is parented, so cleanup is also handled without having a reference)
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> are you asking if they should be made a private member object?
[21:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also, do you happen to know a fancy way to prevent multiple connections of one object to another with same signals and slots?
[21:18] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: no, whether I should hold them at all
[21:19]  * apachelogger is not sure if it is wort the 4 pointers he would need ^^
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> They do need to be on the stack to survive after the function that constructs them ends, so only if the entire life of the widget happens in that function
[21:19] <JontheEchidna> *on the heap
[21:19] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: it is more a style question
[21:19] <apachelogger> sec
[21:20] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539546/
[21:21] <apachelogger> it is about the 4 buttons, likebutton, dislikebutton, bugbutton and featurebutton
[21:21] <apachelogger> they get created, hooked up, ditched into the layout and never ever looked at again
[21:22] <JontheEchidna> imo since they aren't ever needed in any other function there's no benefit to keeping the pointers around in the private class
[21:22] <apachelogger> but what if sometime in the future they are? :)
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> then they'd go in to the private class
[21:24] <apachelogger> hm
[21:24] <apachelogger> that means one will have to privatize them later on
[21:24] <apachelogger> oh well
[21:24] <apachelogger> suppose it doesnt matter anyway
[21:24]  * apachelogger drops the pointers
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> yeah, unless you want to enable/disable the buttons in response to some event I don't think you'll ever need to access the buttons from another function
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> or perhaps change the text/icon
[21:25] <apachelogger> I do not think either will ever be the case
[21:25] <apachelogger> yay for more readable code \o/
[21:25]  * apachelogger hugs JontheEchidna
[21:25] <JontheEchidna> :)
[21:26] <apachelogger> likebacks code is so horrible
[21:27] <apachelogger> there was a function called setVisibleBar(bool)
[21:27] <apachelogger> the strange naming aside .... what it really did was manipulate the activity of the bar -.-
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> m_theBar->hide() ?
[21:32] <JontheEchidna> if you really wanted to control visibility^
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> but if it really didn't do that at all, then damn...
[21:33] <apachelogger> yeah
[21:33] <apachelogger> I was like
[21:33] <apachelogger> :O
[21:33] <apachelogger> Oo
[21:33] <apachelogger> so I merged that into a overloaded setVisibile(bool)
[21:33] <apachelogger> and ruphy told me the other day that git master now endlesly loops
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:33] <apachelogger> after squeezing my brain through the code I realized that the bugger was not meant to manipulate visibility at all
[21:37] <yofel> ScottK: I'm just doing kdelibs, you added a kubuntu_77_ksambashare.diff to the package in bzr r301, did you intentionally not add that to the quilt series?
[21:44] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: where do you think that a package search box should go in this picture? http://imagebin.ca/view/vTQ8Cn.html'
[21:46] <apachelogger> hm
[21:46] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: most definitely top
[21:46]  * yofel is used at seeing that above the list
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> hmm, let me be more specific:
[21:46] <apachelogger> probably at the right
[21:47] <apachelogger> most definitely not taking up all the width
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> should it go next to the back/foward buttons and the breadcrumbs, or below that but above the application view?
[21:47] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: next to, unless you have other good things to stick underneath the breadcrumbs
[21:47] <JontheEchidna> ok, thanks
[21:48] <JontheEchidna> I agree on the basis of saving space, itjust feels a bit werid putting a search bar in the BreadcrumbWidget, so I thought I'd get a second opinion.
[21:48] <apachelogger> well, quite honestly it is a compromise
[21:49] <apachelogger> you cannot really stick it anywhere else
[21:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how about chopping one breadcrumb entry btw?
[21:49] <apachelogger> namely the last one ;)
[21:49] <apachelogger> seems a bit redundant IMHO
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> oh, I had already navigated to lskat, then went back
[21:50] <apachelogger> oh
[21:50] <apachelogger> ah
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> the lskat crumb would go away if you navigated to a different app
[21:50] <apachelogger> I see
[21:50] <apachelogger> ok
[21:50] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: still would kick the crumb then
[21:50] <JontheEchidna> more specifically, if you went into "more details" of a different app
[21:51] <apachelogger> where you are now it does not make sense anymore
[21:51] <apachelogger> anyhow, what did I want to say
[21:51] <apachelogger> ah
[21:51] <apachelogger> right
[21:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: maybe you should limit to 2 or 3 breadcrumbs? (I think dolphin does this)
[21:51] <apachelogger> ... foo -> bar -> foobar
[21:52] <apachelogger> [selecting game]: ... bar -> foobar -> game
[21:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I think that will help with the odd feeling of having search and breadcrumbs in the same widget
[21:53] <apachelogger> since the breadcrumbs do not feel like they are growing towards the search wiget
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> I meant from a programming/source code organization standpoint
[21:53] <apachelogger> ah, you programmers :P
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> :P
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: call it navigationwidget
[21:53] <apachelogger> search is a kind of navigation
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> this is true
[21:54] <JontheEchidna> that's probably what I'll do
[21:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, from a design POV you probably want to make visual difference between breadcrumb and the sourrunding area
[21:54] <apachelogger> put them in a frame and have that frame lowered or something
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> different from e.g. the back/forward buttons?
[21:55] <apachelogger> yes
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> I'll experiment with that
[21:55] <apachelogger> needs some testing for sure
[21:55] <apachelogger> but I think that would animate people to use the breadcrumbs
[21:55] <apachelogger> oh, on that thought
[21:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: isnt back and forth a bit of a redundant way of navigating WRT breadcrumbs?
[21:56] <apachelogger> also usability people liek breadcrumbs better anyway (seele vs. kickoff ;))
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[21:57]  * apachelogger just rememberd that maybe we should breadcrumbify it for real ^^
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> I'll have to think on that one
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> Oh, on the subject of framing...
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> do you think that framing could help in the app details widget? http://imagebin.ca/view/YebrS6.html
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> (good game btw)
[21:59] <apachelogger> ^^
[21:59] <apachelogger> hm
[21:59] <apachelogger> yes
[21:59] <apachelogger> absolutely
[21:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I would put the remove button right of the title btw
[21:59] <apachelogger> bottom aligned
[22:00] <apachelogger> put everything other than the title in a frame
[22:00] <apachelogger> maybe also sunken or something
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> btw, I am proud to say that there are no .ui files at play here :)
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> trying to do layouting in designer drives me mad anyways
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> So I'm thinking that the remove button should go next to the title, bottom-right aligned. A KRatingWidget for the popcon could go right above it, and then put the stuff below it in a frame
[22:03] <apachelogger> sounds good
[22:04] <apachelogger> it is going to be a beauty
[22:04] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you should get hold of sheytan some time and ask him what he thinks about al the magic
[22:29] <ScottK> yofel: I added it to bzr because it was in the package.  I assumed it was just a forgotten bzr add.
[22:34] <apachelogger> dantti_work: ping
[22:34] <apachelogger> or maybe dantti
[22:34] <dantti> apachelogger: hey :)
[22:34]  * apachelogger thinks dantti needs a quasselcore ^^
[22:35] <apachelogger> dantti: when will packagekit switch to cmake? ;)
[22:35] <dantti> what's that?
[22:35] <dantti> dunno, :P
[22:35] <apachelogger> dantti: the server part of quassel ;)
[22:35] <apachelogger> dantti: is it gonna happen though?
[22:35] <dantti> well it might happen when I port all of it
[22:36] <apachelogger> maybe I could help push that a bit forward ^^
[22:36]  * apachelogger tries to sell cmake to zeitgeist
[22:36] <dantti> apachelogger: and what does a server part of quassel do? cause I don't like quassel gui
[22:36] <apachelogger> dantti: it acts like an IRC bouncer
[22:37] <apachelogger> the server holds the IRC connection and the gui/client only connects to the server
[22:37]  * dantti is still confused :P english please
[22:37] <apachelogger> well, you have one server and can attach multiple clients to it
[22:37] <dantti> hmm well but I'd need a fixed ip for that no?
[22:37] <apachelogger> dyndns would do
[22:38] <apachelogger> dantti: you could also write another client gui I suppose
[22:38] <dantti> well I'm about to go live abroad so I guess I won't worry for that for now :P
[22:38] <dantti> apachelogger: nah, I'm happy with kvirc :P
[22:38] <apachelogger> kvirc
[22:38] <apachelogger> omg
[22:38]  * apachelogger faints
[22:39] <dantti> hehe
[22:39] <yofel> Riddell: do you know where kubuntu_77_ksambashare.diff came from?
[22:39] <dantti> apachelogger: well dunno I guess I can better read the text here, I get lost in konversation and quassel...
[22:40] <apachelogger> well, as said, one could write another client UI
[22:40]  * apachelogger also finds quassel's default setup a bit heavy
[22:40] <ScottK> yofel: I suspect rbelem is to blame.
[22:41] <apachelogger> bzr will know
[22:41] <yofel> and I need some help, kdelibs fails to build :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/539567/
[22:41] <dantti> apachelogger: well that said, I guess I'll worry about other stuff :P I'll try to commit the cmake stuff to a git branch so you can take a look
[22:43] <yofel> the 4.5.85 upstream tar builds fine unpatched, but the package fails (I removed patches kubuntu 78 and 80 since they were applied upstream)
[22:43] <apachelogger> dantti: ok, cool
[22:44] <dantti> apachelogger: let me do that right now otherwise I'll forget again :P
[22:45] <rbelem> :-)
[22:46]  * rbelem wants his patch upstream :'(
[22:46] <yofel> rbelem: that patch is supposed to be there?
[22:47] <rbelem> yofel, it is not in series, but i think that if upstream take so long to accept we will put there
[22:48] <yofel> ok
[22:53] <yofel> why do we build without FAM / gamin btw.?
[22:53] <dantti> apachelogger: done, take a look it builds large part of the code but the ifndefs are not all covered and the hardest part is to build the backends (ximion sent me a .cmake that would do that I can send you that too) http://gitorious.org/packagekit/packagekit/commits/cmake
[22:54]  * dantti is out for food
[22:55] <ximion> apachelogger: Not necessarily the best piece of cmake-code, but it works perfectly well ^^
[22:55] <ximion> apachelogger: Btw: Do I have to write a request for sync of PackageKit into Natty from Debian Experimental?
[22:56] <apachelogger> that depends on whether we have a ubuntuN version suffix
[22:56] <apachelogger> because then it will probably need a merge to maintain the delta
[22:57] <dantti> ximion: btw you could package libdebconf-kde which is in extragear at GIT :D
[22:58] <dantti> ximion: and I added the cmd line option so you can pass the socket path to the cmd line too
[22:58] <dantti> tool
[22:58] <ximion> dantti: sure
[22:58] <dantti> I'm waiting for admins to create a repo for apper now
[22:58] <ximion> apachelogger: I already did all the merging stuff in Debian. The package should work out-of-the-box.
[22:59] <ximion> apachelogger: The only Ubuntu-specific thing is the vendor patch, I prepared on for Ubuntu here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~packagekit/packagekit/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/vendor.patch
[23:00] <ximion> PackageKit does not show up on merges.ubuntu.com, that's why I ask.
[23:00] <apachelogger> hm
[23:00] <ximion> (Cause sharing code between Natty and unstable is easier if both packages have the same basis :P Also, the Debian-version is newer)
[23:01] <apachelogger> well
[23:01] <apachelogger> I think we are merging from unstable this cycle around
[23:01] <apachelogger> new packagekit is in experimental, is it not?
[23:01] <ximion> dantti: You need to provide a tarball of debconf-kde for me to package it...
[23:02] <ximion> apachelogger: Yes, it is in experimental
[23:02] <apachelogger> that is probably why it does not show up
[23:02] <ximion> the APTcc code requires at leas GLib 2.26, sid has 2.24, exp has 2.27, so it is in experimental at time
[23:02]  * yofel thinks he found the failing patch..
[23:02] <ximion> apachelogger: there's also a newer version of it in unstable
[23:03] <apachelogger> ximion: I'll take a look at over the weekend (hopefully)
[23:03] <ximion> apachelogger: See http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=sourcenames&keywords=packagekit
[23:03] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, Riddell, ScottK: ^ packagekit needs merging, in case either of you has time
[23:03] <ximion> ok, thanks! :)
[23:03] <apachelogger> ximion: thanks for the heads up
[23:03] <apachelogger> ximion: for debconf you could just use the ubuntu tar https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libdebconf-kde
[23:06] <ximion> apachelogger: Some DD require a debian/watch file, that's why I'm asking for it...
[23:06] <ximion> I'll take the Ubuntu package as starting point, maybe there are only a few changes needed for Debian.
[23:06] <apachelogger> well, since there was no proper release yet, you cannot make one ;)
[23:06] <apachelogger> ximion: possibly you will need to create a get-orig-source target though
[23:07] <apachelogger> some odd people require them if a watch file is not possible
[23:07] <apachelogger> apachelogger is one of them I think... ;)
[23:07] <ximion> maybe dantti plans a release soon... if so, I'll finish the implementation in PackageKit (then PackageKit will support Debconf-KDE, which APT does not - strange world :P)
[23:10] <apachelogger> ximion: I wouldnt count on it, dantti is release shy ;)
[23:10] <ximion> apachelogger: Get-orig-source and debian/watch are both really useful, saves a lot of work. (Especially for people not knowing the application, who just want to upload the package with a small fix)
[23:10] <ximion> :P
[23:10] <apachelogger> I am harassing him for a printer manager release for weeks ... no movement there ... ;)
[23:13] <ximion> I'm really buisy with some other stuff here too, so I don't know when I'll finish this package... (There's also some code I want to develop for PK this weekend)
[23:13] <ximion> but if I'm ready, I think mvo will upload it
[23:14] <seele> apachelogger: +1 breadcrumbs
[23:14] <apachelogger> ^^
[23:15] <ximion> apachelogger: I'll make a get-orig-source rule for the KDE Git
[23:15] <ximion> (if I found debconf-kde there!)
[23:16] <apachelogger> not sure if it moved yet
[23:16] <ximion> apachelogger: It did: git://git.kde.org/libdebconf-kde
[23:17] <apachelogger> so magic
[23:17] <ximion> really nice KDE uses Git now :)
[23:18] <Tm_T> KDE SC doesn't use yet
[23:19] <ximion> Tm_T: But they will ^^ IMO Git is
[23:19] <ximion> ...the best DVCS for large projects :P
[23:19] <yofel> better than bazaar at least *sigh*
[23:20] <ximion> (But I'm a Git-fan, Mercurial or DARCS people would strongly disagree)
[23:20] <Tm_T> ximion: will, thus my "yet"
[23:21] <ximion> yofel: Bzr really needs a git-like cherry-pick feature (The thing I miss the most)
[23:22] <ximion> Tm_T: Yes, I was wrong there, I first thought a lot more KDE SC projects would use Git now, but the "important" parts still is in SVN
[23:22] <yofel> it needs some general rework, when I checkout branches I have no idea how long it'll take since the estimate is corrected all the time, and having a bzr process that's using over half a GiB of memory is crazy
[23:22] <yofel> I only noticed some of the kdesupport stuff moving to git.kde.org, but even there  not everything
[23:23] <Tm_T> each project do their own move
[23:23] <bulldog98> yofel: kdelibs have rules finished for git move
[23:23] <yofel> \o/
[23:23] <ximion> yofel: Python-tool :P Fortunately I only use Bazaar for the PackageKit packaging, since it is the only VCS Launchpad supports and it's easier to collaborate with Ubuntu there.
[23:23] <Quintasan> yofel: fooey, we still are unable to do anything :/
[23:23] <bulldog98> and they have a repro right now, but it wasn’t synced yet (it’s empty until tomorrow)
[23:24] <yofel> yeah... :'(
[23:24] <Quintasan> They'd better move this whole code before we get this bug in recipes fixed
[23:24] <ximion> need to leave now...
[23:24] <ximion> gn8
[23:25] <Quintasan> Night ximion
[23:25] <yofel> gn ximion
[23:25] <bulldog98> gn ximion
[23:25] <Quintasan> well, it's time for me too, I need some sleep.
[23:25] <bulldog98> ng Quintasan
[23:25] <yofel> Quintasan: wanna look at policykit for lucid btw.?
[23:25] <yofel> I gave up
[23:26] <Quintasan> yofel: Ask me tomorrow, I still have at least two tests to prepare for and I'm dead tired now :P
[23:26] <yofel> Quintasan: sure, sleep well
[23:26] <Quintasan> See you later, as in 6-7 hours :P
[23:27] <yofel> heh
[23:27]  * yofel wants to finish kdelibs first
[23:33] <yofel> YES, kdelibs built fine finally...
[23:36]  * bulldog98 hugs yofel
[23:37] <Tm_T> I possibly have local KDE build done here
[23:38] <yofel> could anyone explain to me what purpose 23_solid_no_double_build.diff has? That's what made it fail to build
[23:38] <yofel> patch contents: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539580/
[23:39] <Tm_T> there (were?) some stuff built twice in different places
[23:39] <Tm_T> I guess it's possibly not needed anymore
[23:40] <yofel> I didn't remove it but disabled it for now
[23:40] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203430 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (10 files in 4 dirs) Add a GUI for searching
[23:48] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203432 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Hide the search edit if the view type cannot search
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> search is complete \o/
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> http://imagebin.ca/view/HtxAH3Pe.html
[23:54] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203434 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/CategoryView/CategoryViewWidget.cpp If there already is an existing search view, but we are at a higher place in the heirarchy, switch back to the search view when we search again