[00:33] yofel: I just uploaded your -workspace changes to Natty. Thank you. [00:34] ScottK: thought you would like this... http://goo.gl/e49wT [00:35] Nice. [05:22] [muon] jmthomas * 1203016 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (5 files) Add an application launcher/installation-complete-notification dialog [05:26] JontheEchidna and yofel_: Thanks again for testing the de-halification stuff. It's all uploaded and should be default for new installs starting with tomorrow's daily. === hunger_ is now known as hunger [10:05] hello. someone used pykde.akonadi before? [11:14] Riddell: hi. Have you looked for my kdepim packaging? [11:16] bulldog98: no still on the rest of kde 4.6 beta for now [11:17] either you read or you think we're doing for 4.6 beta [11:17] but with any luck that'll be ok this time round and we can publish then move onto other things like kdepim [11:17] bwahahaha [11:18] Riddell: so publishing has to wait for the rest of 4.6 beta [11:20] bulldog98: well I can only do one thing at once generally speaking :) [11:21] :) [11:21] but really it's going to work this time, so I can get onto kdepim shortly [11:41] Riddell: dehalification is complete, so now it's just a matter of making sure problems get reported upstream. [11:58] qtcreator for maemo is just lovely [12:06] awesomeness, upgrade to 4.5.80 on maverick worked without a single overwrite error [12:06] I'll copy it to kubuntu-ppa/beta and announce [12:12] Riddell: yay, /me waiting in the starting blocks :) [12:13] Mamarok: sorry for the delay, we kept finding problems [12:13] no problem, I can wait :) [12:14] I downloaded 4.5.4 in the meantime [12:14] Mamarok: any problems? [12:18] not so far [12:27] Riddell: (See #ubuntu-devel for details) - Apparently doko uploaded a gcc fix for our Qt problems on armel last week, but didn't bother to mention it. I just retried it. [12:27] The relevant debian/changelog entry was " * Revert Linaro issue #1259." [12:28] ScottK: fingers crossed [12:29] Yep. [12:34] hey all. [12:35] there was a package conflict yesterday (hupnp and libhupnp0); was it resolved? [12:44] eMyller: you will have to remove hupnp [12:44] that hupnp has never been in a public archive so there's no replaces/conflicts [12:45] Riddell: yea, i removed it yesterday in order to install libhupnp0; but i wonder from where i got that [12:45] from an old package in staging or ninjas [12:54] * apachelogger notes that jt's qapt-worker is much more reliable than maemo's [12:55] hum [12:55] 62mib of archives, that is not too shabby for a mobile pim suite :O [13:02] apachelogger: what are you looking at? [13:02] kdepim-mobile [13:03] Mamarok: publishing done for 4.5.80, want to be the first to test? [13:04] sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta; sudo apt-get update; sudo dist-upgrade [13:04] sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [13:04] apachelogger: where is that? [13:04] http://userbase.kde.org/Kontact_Mobile [13:14] Riddell: Now I'm on to bugging doko about the per arch symbols files (that we shouldn't need). [13:14] ScottK: presumably we have no idea why that happens [13:15] No. It's gcc-4.5 madness of some kind. [13:15] Perhaps we need to rename the "Upload toolchain" milestone in the development schedule to "Upload usable toolchain" for clarity. [13:16] afiestas: We took the plunge yesterday and switched from hal to upower/udisks for the development release (with the 4.6 beta). [13:26] looks pretty good that mobile foo [13:26] Riddell: testing now [13:26] apachelogger: I'm just compiling it now [13:27] rbelem: I fear getting a class 10 microsd is going to be difficult [13:27] steveire: do you know if any decision has been made on kontact mobile vs kontact touch? [13:27] * apachelogger finds kontact itself a rather silly name TBH [13:27] apachelogger: it is but it's better than KDE PIM [13:28] that for sure [13:28] which shouldn't be used for user communication (similar to KDE SC) [13:29] Riddell: The latest on the mailing list indicates concensus forming around kontact ouch [13:29] touch* [13:29] :) [13:29] freudian slip there? :) [13:29] * apachelogger schedules a visit to the shopping mall for tomorrow [13:29] Seems so :) [13:30] rbelem: out of interest, why can one not install kubuntu on the internal storage? [13:30] it is like flipping large [13:36] now [13:36] what pointless application could I write for maemo [13:36] shadeslayer: suggestions? [13:37] apachelogger: I'm moving things to git in case you want to commit something to print-manager.. [13:37] hooray [13:37] I shall commit more then ^^ [13:38] apachelogger: why do people still talk about maemo? isn't maemo dead? isn't meego the way to go? [13:38] Riddell: as if that would matter with Qt? :D [13:38] <3 Qt [13:38] hehe :) libdebconf-kde is there already now I'm asking for a repo for apper and print-manager [13:38] apachelogger: infact should you be talking about what application you could write for KDE Mobile? [13:39] for that I first need to get a KDE stack [13:40] apachelogger: Allegedly gcc is fixed, so arm stuff should start appearing in a few days. [13:40] groovy [13:44] * Riddell wonders if apachelogger has gained an N900 [13:47] * Riddell gets lost in a twisty maze of dusty gpg packages [13:54] Riddell: Nightrose sent me hers, so I can take part in the mobile hype ^^ === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:55] o/ [13:56] apachelogger: that was kind of her [13:57] hi yofel, 4.6 beta 1 is in the beta PPA, Mamrok was testing but has disappeared, I wonder if we should be worried [13:58] I'll upgrade in a VM and see what happens [13:59] ScottK: you may want to join the LP efika groups (see the efika channel) [14:01] Mamarok: any luck? [14:01] Riddell: serious problem: kded crashes on start, impossible to restart it [14:01] rollocks [14:01] I had to use usb tethering on my phone as I can't use wireless anymore [14:02] Mamarok: what happens if you start kded4 manually? [14:02] crashes immediately again [14:02] everytime I try [14:02] seems to be solid related, at least that's what the backtrace says [14:03] and I can't report the bug through Dr. Konqi either, as it needs kded to get a login on bugzilla [14:03] Mamarok: are you on amd64? [14:04] yes [14:04] well, intel, but 64 bit [14:05] yofel: done any testing on amd64? [14:05] here comes the backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539402 [14:06] hmm, problem in the wacom tablet module? [14:06] Mamarok: you don't have a wacom tablet module do you? [14:06] nope, well, yes.. in natty, but I only have one non-natty pc left, so I'll test in a VM now, but natty works fine [14:06] no, not at all [14:07] hmm, I don't think we have a package with that file /usr/lib/kde4/kded_tablet.so [14:07] Mamarok: what's the output of dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde4/kded_tablet.so ? [14:07] the console output says this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539405 [14:08] it says: dpkg -S /usr/lib/kde4/kded_tablet.so [14:08] erm, moment, it says this: kde-config-tablet: /usr/lib/kde4/kded_tablet.so [14:08] I don't have that installed here if that helps ^ [14:08] Mamarok: try apt-get remove kde-config-tablet [14:08] the starting kded4 [14:09] does anybody know when kde 4.6 beta 1 will be backported to maverick [14:09] Riddell: that worked [14:10] but where does it get that tablet stuff from? I never had a tablet here [14:10] uhmm, natty amd64 alpha1 installer crashes after I add the user and press 'forward' :( [14:10] cpatrick2008: it's available now but we're doing some more testing because problems keep cropping up, do you want to help test? [14:10] cpatrick2008: it's ready to be tested, ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta [14:10] allee: with a backtrace? [14:10] how would i help test [14:11] cpatrick2008: sudo apt-add-repository ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [14:11] ok i will report any bugs i find [14:11] No. it start's X server again I assume because I see the login progress dialog ... [14:11] * allee start 'try kubuntu' again [14:12] still no wireless, only tethering works automagically [14:12] Ah that's natty in a maverick virtualbox host === Mamarok_ is now known as Mamarok [14:13] Mamarok: but you can log into a full session now? [14:13] let me try again, moment [14:16] Riddell: yes, this time it worked [14:16] still no way to connect to my wireless [14:17] wich usually works out of the box [14:17] Mamarok: what happens when you try? [14:17] it shows the connection, but it doesn't connect [14:17] when I click on it [14:17] let me try making a new connection [14:18] Riddell: in a kde session only installaters crashes but no backtrace. jockey-backend still running [14:19] nope, still no way to connect [14:19] * allee start ubiquity with --debug [14:23] Mamarok: hmm, no such problems here [14:23] Mamarok: you can try logging out, rm ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc then see if it works [14:24] * yofel remembered that he has a maverick pc he could test this with and updates [14:24] I will try later, right now I am in a discussion :) [14:24] allee: if it still crashes report with ubuntu-bug ubiquity [14:26] apachelogger: you mean Meego .... right? [14:26] no [14:27] he gained an n900 and is running maemo [14:28] yeah i know, but... meego is the future! [14:28] primarily Qt is the future and that runs on both [14:28] ... [14:29] * yofel agrees with apachelogger [14:29] yeah, but maemo is .... well.... obsolete [14:29] well [14:29] and maemo isn't that bad, I don't like the music player though [14:29] you wanted a suggestion ... [14:29] * shadeslayer thinks [14:30] apachelogger: so i heard theres alot of snow over there in europe :D [14:30] graz is drowning in snow! [14:30] * ScottK thought plasma mobile was the future. [14:30] tooke me one hour to get home yesterday [14:30] today I got home with wet feet [14:30] they shut down gatwick airport a couple of days ago ... [14:31] ScottK: and what technology is plasma made with? :P [14:31] apachelogger: have you seen the HTC Sense UI where the cloud floats in when its cloudy etc [14:31] no [14:31] Qt, but not anything that starts with M. [14:31] why? [14:31] a co-worker of mine does [14:31] its pretty cool [14:31] it snows when snowing [14:31] ScottK: well, Qt is at its best if it has platform integration :P [14:32] rbelem: ping [14:32] thunderstorm is the best animation on sense ;) [14:33] first time i saw it i thought the display was dying [14:33] al: not the right season now, but the screen freezing is nifty too [14:33] yea, it's nice [14:34] apachelogger: how much snow do you have? must be about half a meter here [14:34] like 20cm [14:34] that 15 more than it should be [14:35] * ScottK thought Austrians were required to love snow? [14:35] * apachelogger is not much of an austrian [14:35] apachelogger: come to Stuttgart, we only have like 10cm here :P [14:36] nah, I like to have usable trainstations :P [14:36] reminds me [14:36] lol [14:37] ScottK: I may have to leave earlyish to get to canoeing session through the snow, are you at the release team meeting? [14:37] * apachelogger grabs his magic's microsd to see how meego works with that [14:37] for some reason it does not have the class written on it [14:37] Riddell: Sure. [14:37] we have 12.7 cm in michigan today [14:37] Well if the trainstation people in Austria haven't learned to anticipate and deal with the fact that there will be snow in Austria, I think that's hardly the snow's fault. [14:38] the trainstation issue in stuttgart (which is in germany, not austria) has nothing to do with weather but politics though ;) [14:39] ScottK: he meant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_21 [14:39] Ah. [14:41] ScottK: here's my notes http://paste.ubuntu.com/539420/ [14:41] Riddell: Got it. Have a nice canoe. [14:43] cpatrick2008: any luck? [14:43] al: Our local controversy is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intercounty_Connector [14:43] they took down wikileaks ... not good .... [14:43] shadeslayer: who's they? [14:43] shadeslayer: You're in favor of allowing copyright violations? [14:43] Riddell: they == DNS hosting service .. [14:44] ScottK, seems it's been less violent so far ;) [14:44] Yes, but it's taken at least as long. [14:44] * apachelogger boots meego [14:44] ScottK: copyright violations? are you talking about amazon ? i just liked wikileaks because id get my daily dose of political leaks from there [14:44] Riddell: rekonq crashes when started via ubuntu-bug [14:44] * shadeslayer runs [14:44] IIRC they started planning it in 1975. [14:44] shadeslayer: good thing there are 50 other domains pointing at it (e.g. http://wikileaks.eu/) [14:44] @Ridell got it installed but when i try to install the extras package in rekonq the QApt Batch Installer says it is wating for authorization but wont put up anything for me to put my password in [14:45] Riddell: yeah ... they got a new domain now.. in Switzerland .. [14:45] shadeslayer: they've always had loads http://wikileaks.info/ [14:45] couldnt open it from my phone tho [14:46] hm [14:46] meego time is off ^^ [14:46] cpatrick2008: ok I've had that problem too, haven't worked out where to report it yet [14:46] cpatrick2008: any other issues? [14:46] wikileaks.info lists the alternate sites [14:46] none so far [14:46] allee: can you pastebin the backtrace? [14:46] cpatrick2008: able to connect to wireless ok? [14:46] yes [14:47] cpatrick2008: great, thanks for testing [14:47] no problem [14:47] * shadeslayer needs to write a Desk Clock for android [14:47] the default one sucks [14:47] shadeslayer: rekonq or ubiquity? [14:48] brrr, this micosd feels like class 2 [14:48] allee: rekonq [14:49] ScottK: I know, I read kubuntu-devel [14:49] afiestas: Ah. Cool. [14:49] we just implemented video support for it (webcams and v4l2 devices) [14:49] afiestas: In any case, thanks for that. [14:49] tomorrow I will probably implement dvb if nobody else does [14:50] Riddell, shadeslayer: meego is not much of a target platform right now [14:50] very alphaish [14:52] shadeslayer: run: rekonq -> window pop up and crashes immediately: http://pastebin.ca/2009619 [14:52] ScottK: pinotree just told me that dvb is alreay done :) [14:54] ups wrong 'selection' [14:54] allee: thats all you get in the backtrace? [14:55] shadeslayer: I should have installed paste plasmoid in virtualbox. Redoing ... [14:57] Riddel: when i try to run Nepomuk Backup i get the following error message the Nepomuk Backup service does not seem to be running . Backups cannot be handled without it [14:57] shadeslayer: much better: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539429 === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [14:58] \o [14:58] Quintasan: o/ [14:58] cool, upgrade to 4.6 maverick beta worked fine on my eeePC :D [14:58] Quintasan: I left gnome for kde yesterday :P gnome in natty sucks [14:58] cpatrick2008: Did you try restarting nepomuk? It crashed at startup for me [14:59] how do i restart it [14:59] apachelogger: help with backtrace here : http://paste.ubuntu.com/539429/ :: looks like a webkit issue right? [14:59] do I have a suggestion yet? [14:59] and wireless works fine [14:59] apachelogger: i told you .. a weather app of sorts [14:59] cpatrick2008: System settings -> Desktop search [14:59] like HTC have on their sense ui [14:59] hey Quintasan [15:00] shadeslayer: there are weather apps! [15:00] Re-check Enable Nepomuk option [15:00] something innovative would be good [15:00] yofel: \o [15:00] apachelogger: not *any* weather app [15:00] hold on [15:00] * apachelogger does not like wasting time on things that already exist anyway [15:00] apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUCP_ixDCNo [15:00] cpatrick2008: Re-check Enable Nepomuk optio [15:01] shadeslayer: that requires changes to teh platform [15:01] + it already exists [15:02] it does... hmm [15:02] did that stll cannot use it [15:02] fullscreen app would be doable without changes to that [15:02] but the effort with such a app lies in the graphics creation [15:02] not the technical part [15:03] Sput: quassel crash : http://pastebin.ca/2009630 [15:03] * yofel wonders why they only left 3 power profiles. Ok, it's enough, but at least the presentation one made sense [15:03] so [15:03] meego was a great waste of time [15:03] * Riddell still says power profiles shouldn't be needed [15:03] * apachelogger tries to get kubuntu going on that crappy card of his [15:04] Riddell: what would you use instead? [15:04] oh oh [15:04] *!@#$!@ flash [15:04] shadeslayer, afaics quassel doesn't even show up in that stacktrace [15:04] doesn't work on firefox wtf [15:04] so it's not to blame :> [15:04] rbelem: how much time will it take to port plasma mobile to a HTC Desire ? :D [15:05] Quintasan: checked it and applyed it and stll get same error message [15:05] tons probably [15:05] shadeslayer: the question should be how much time will it take to port kubuntu mobile [15:05] cpatrick2008: did you try restarting your PC? [15:05] al: idk ... quassel just crashed and Dr. Konqi says quassel irc crashed ... etc [15:05] plasma mobile will not work on android since it still depends on QWidgets here and there [15:05] and Qt lighthouse for android can only draw a graphicsscene IIRC [15:05] i will do that then let you know if it works [15:06] al: looks like a QGraphicsView crash [15:06] shadeslayer: why do you have so incredibly incomplete straces? [15:06] s/view/scene [15:06] shadeslayer: It's just me or rekonq crashes on almost every page? [15:06] apachelogger: *shrug* [15:06] * apachelogger notes that we do not see the problem [15:06] Quintasan: its just you :P [15:06] the stack trace contains an assert [15:06] however the part where the assert is raised is not known [15:06] because shadeslayer posts useless stacktraces :P [15:07] apachelogger: also possibly because i dont have enough debug symbols [15:07] hold on [15:07] well [15:07] which stacktrace are you talking about? [15:07] obvoiusly [15:07] shadeslayer: the quassel one [15:07] ohk [15:07] the other one is completely too [15:07] apachelogger: the other one isnt mine ... [15:08] * apachelogger wonders why he only gets 100kbps for the mobile image [15:08] my flat mates are watching pr0n again!!! [15:08] * shadeslayer would love to get 100KBps for anything [15:08] * apachelogger was already wondering why it was so silent [15:11] if android started any slower.... [15:11] whut! ... starts up in 10 seconds here ... [15:12] Riddell: thanks, that did work :) [15:12] apachelogger: you haz obsolete phone ... [15:12] shadeslayer, hum... do you know the hardware spec? [15:12] rbelem: yeah! i have the hardware :P [15:12] apachelogger, did you buy that microsd? [15:12] rbelem: no [15:12] tomorrow [15:12] shadeslayer, nice [15:13] * apachelogger needs to drive like an hour to get to a store that potentially offers class 10 [15:13] also I wanted to go shopping tomorrow anyway... [15:13] rbelem: so you can boot a custom meego image on the device, idk how, but its on the meego wiki [15:13] shadeslayer, is it an armv7? [15:13] rbelem: I tried meego with the 2gb card though [15:13] Qualcomm [15:13] utter crap :D [15:13] rbelem: what kubuntu mobile image do I download though? omap3 or 4? [15:13] apachelogger, too slow? [15:13] rbelem: http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_desire-3077.php [15:13] Quintasn: restarting my computer did the trick [15:14] rbelem: no, meego itself is just completely unfinished and stuff [15:14] apachelogger, omap3 [15:14] platform support is also not finished [15:14] e.g. it did not detect the battery or simcard [15:14] Mamarok: ok good, although a mystery since network-manager won't have been upgraded [15:14] widgets are sometimes a bit misrendered [15:14] strings are prefixed with !!... [15:15] apachelogger: dummy plasmoids .... no *real* plasmoids as such [15:15] does it make calls :P [15:15] shadeslayer: plasma mobile doesnt have dummy plasmoids [15:15] also I was talking about meego [15:15] uh .. yes it does [15:16] ohk [15:16] shadeslayer: like what? [15:16] but plasma-mobile does have dummy plasmoidds [15:16] -d [15:16] apachelogger: like the contacts plasmoid [15:16] or whatever its called [15:17] plasma-mobile has a plasmoid which manages to make calls [15:17] and that is all that counts [15:18] shadeslayer, Qualcomm Snapdragon QSD8250 [15:18] yep [15:18] it is an armv7 :-) [15:18] kewl :D [15:18] is that a good thing or a bad thing :P [15:19] good thing :-) [15:19] ok... how do we proceed then ^_^ [15:19] need to check how to hack the boot loader [15:19] and get the kernel drivers [15:19] rbelem: theres something called unrevoked [15:20] but they only have the binary file available for download [15:20] Quintasan: ^^ time to jump in [15:20] rbelem: so, I was scrolling through startkde yesterday, and I am afraid that there is not terribly much we can improve it with [15:20] possibly implementing it in c++ would help [15:21] elimintaing all the helper apps startkde requires [15:21] gnome people keep talking about using upstart for gnome-session [15:21] but startkde really does not do much anyway, the heavy lifting is done in ksmserver :S [15:22] Riddell: how would that work? [15:22] shadeslayer, is it used to hack the bootloader? [15:22] apachelogger, :-( [15:22] rbelem: yeah, its used to boot custom android ROM's [15:22] apachelogger: upstart would start the various things needed by the gnome session [15:22] so i suppose i can be used to boot other stuff [15:22] revu needed! http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libassuan2[B[B[B [15:22] Riddell: yeah, but what is the point of that? [15:23] apachelogger: dunno [15:23] ^^ [15:23] apachelogger, plasma-mobile is taking too long to start too [15:23] rbelem: well [15:23] it is plasma [15:23] ... [15:23] plasma also takes longest to start on a desktop [15:24] like 90% of the time ksplash is shown plasma is actually building itself [15:24] (on that note: did anyone notice that login takes super long if autoconnection to a wifi is on) [15:24] seems plasma blocks until the connection is established (or not) [15:27] apachelogger, i think we need to profile ksmserver, plasma-desktop and others to check where is the bottleneck [15:28] if you make it faster I'll get you a beer, here it takes almost a minute from kdm to working desktop :/ http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/bootchart/yofel-t510-natty-20101202-1.png [15:28] rbelem: plasma-desktop [15:29] its main limitation is actually known [15:29] its startup depends on plasmoids [15:29] i.e. plasmoids do not get lazy initialized or even delayed initialized alltogether [15:30] (like the battery plasmoid could really be started once everything else is up [15:30] ) [15:30] shadeslayer, maybe talking with the unrevoked guys http://unrevoked.com/rootwiki/doku.php/public/unrevoked3 [15:31] shadeslayer, they could point us how to use the hacked bootloaded [15:31] and build the kernel with the right patches [15:32] apachelogger, :-( [15:32] rbelem: yeah .... theres a vid of meego running on the desire, so imo, it shouldnt be *very* hard to do it === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - More friendly than Frosty | Lots to do https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo [15:32] apachelogger, we could work to solve this problem. Is there already a possible solution? [15:32] will take time tho [15:33] rbelem: not that I know about [15:33] :-D [15:34] apachelogger, plasma-mobile is taking soo, sooo long to start :-( [15:35] well [15:35] plasma is rather fat [15:35] ... [15:35] i dont know how much time it will take in microsd class10 [15:35] i was using class 2 :-P [15:35] rbelem: I would expect that most stuff is really hogging the CPU and not the card [15:36] needs checking though [15:36] cachegrind, callgrind and massif to the resuce ^^ [15:37] they are working on arm now :-) [15:37] still I wouldnt want to use them there :P [15:37] steveire: "Note that you have to enable KDEPIM_MOBILE_UI if you want to run these applications on a mobile device." what's the difference? [15:38] * apachelogger ponders doing his PoC implementation of a phonon graphicsscene video player on maemo [15:38] certainly takes away the resizable-window use case [15:39] Riddell: Some widgets are different in their .ui files etc for maemo colors/styles and aspect ratio iirc. [15:39]