[00:00] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, I would do a back up of your media and such this isn't even close to release
[00:00] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, I see your cool then upgarde away
[00:00] <F3RR1S> I have no media... this is a new install as of last sunday
[00:01] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, cool bay in my mike meirs voice
[00:01] <F3RR1S> I leave my email on my server so even that is safe
[00:01] <nit-wit> baby
[00:01] <F3RR1S> lol
[00:05] <tombaugh> I'm running natty under virtualbox and was wondering if there's anything I can do about the "you don't have 3d support"? I was hoping to try unity...
[00:12] <UndiFineD> no tombaugh : it needs GL hardware
[00:13] <F3RR1S> have any of you dist-upgraded to natty from maverick?
[00:14] <robin0800> yes
[00:14] <F3RR1S> could you paste bin your sources.list for me... the iso is taking a long time to DL
[00:24] <F3RR1S> i guess I could have looked at my sources.list before asking for a pastebin....
[00:24] <F3RR1S> dist-upgrading now
[00:25] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, god speed
[00:25] <F3RR1S> thanks nit-wit
[00:27] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, I'm typing from natty on sdhc class 10 card yipee
[00:28] <F3RR1S> it seems like Ubuntu uses the non-stable kernels (2.66.35 and 2.6.37) ... why is that...
[00:28] <F3RR1S> nit-wit,  sweet
[00:28] <F3RR1S> yay! for my fast uoregon.edu mirror!
[00:29] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, are you in eugene
[00:29] <F3RR1S> no. PDX
[00:29] <nit-wit> same her
[00:29] <nit-wit> here
[00:30] <F3RR1S> ok... then really I am in Oregon City
[00:30] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, the truth comes out that s okay even Oregon city dwellers are human to
[00:30] <F3RR1S> most people do not know... so it is easier to say PDX
[00:30] <F3RR1S> lol
[00:31] <F3RR1S> just not estacada dwellers!
[00:31] <F3RR1S> lol
[00:31] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, you must know about freegeek
[00:31] <F3RR1S> yep
[00:31] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, I do some pro bono work for them with my carpet cleaning bidness
[00:32] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, estacda now that be rural
[00:32] <charlie-tca> Alpha1 released, so you should be able to do    update-manger -d    now
[00:33] <F3RR1S> they need all the help they can get... do they have carpet?
[00:33] <F3RR1S> oh yeah the conference rooms
[00:34] <F3RR1S> I was hoping to get the volunteer coordinator position they had listed but it was a no-go
[00:34] <virtuald> f3rr1s: i don't know why you think they are unstable, take a look at the version listing at kernel.org
[00:35] <F3RR1S> virtuald... the naming scheme says the kernel is unstable 2.6.even = stable odd = developmental
[00:35] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, they reloaded my computer so many times 3 I think during dapper before I realized all I needed was a iso I thought why not help them out
[00:35] <F3RR1S> at least if I understand the scheme correctly
[00:35] <F3RR1S> but i did say unstable and that is not quite right
[00:36] <virtuald> f3rr1s: you don't
[00:36] <virtuald> -rc kernels are development
[00:36] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, hard to get a actual paying position there I suspect
[00:36] <F3RR1S> yeah nit-wit  it is
[00:37] <F3RR1S> hmmn... virtuald  I will have to reread that section in the linux+ cert. book ...
[00:40] <F3RR1S> base-files failed...
[00:41] <F3RR1S> have  a feeling i am in for a long night....
[00:41] <F3RR1S> but i might just start a new install from usb and update the sources.list files there first....
[00:41] <virtuald> f3rr1s: 2.5 was the last unstable series
[00:42] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, not my scene really to much ego
[00:42] <nit-wit> mine that is
[00:43] <F3RR1S> ok... i got it ... so 2.6.xx is stable ... 2.5 unstable... it is the second number not the third set... the third set are updates
[00:43] <F3RR1S> nit-wit,  i agree... too much of that
[00:43] <F3RR1S> and why doesn't freegeek have an irc channel?
[01:35] <frewsxcv> part
[01:52] <Volkodav> does libreoffice depend on liboasis same as openoffoce ?
[01:59] <sebsebseb> So alpha 1 is delayed?
[02:01] <coz_> Volkodav,  mm  I have it installed on lucid right now  ...but honestly I dont remember actually let me check hold on
[02:01] <coz_> Volkodav,  actually I installed it with deb packages
[02:10] <sebsebseb> Ok Alpha 1 is released according to Jono Bacon
[02:13] <sebsebseb> also released according to OMGUbuntu
[02:13] <sebsebseb> ,but the topic here hasn't been updated yet
[02:17] <sebsebseb> Also where are the people coming in here, asking about issues with Unity?
[02:18] <sebsebseb> with Alpha 1
[02:31] <wrst> sebsebseb: i have to say i think unity has been pretty smoothe for alpha 1
[02:31] <F3RR1S> hey.... i made it back... but i have a small problem.... I do not have gnome panels (Thank G-d for cairo doc) so I need to install a desktop manager (such as gdm)... which one am I supposed to use for unity
[02:31] <F3RR1S> I upgraded via dist-upgrade
[02:32] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, how did it go
[02:32] <sebsebseb> wrst: I have to say, I am not exactly a Unity fan, after trying it on my desktop with 10.10,  and just seeing the thing on omgubuntu about it, and yes I will try it out for  a bit, but not just yet
[02:32] <F3RR1S> I just finished installing unity and have not restarted the system
[02:32] <sebsebseb> wrst: ,but well I got a better distro to support now anyway, thats being developed, so yeah :)
[02:32] <F3RR1S> nit-wit,  good... but I think i need to reboot and see if the unity starts
[02:32] <sebsebseb> also Gnome Shell :)
[02:32] <wrst> sebsebseb: yeah i'm back in 10.10now  to do some things but its not bad but not love yet for unity :)
[02:33] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, at the login window you can choose the classic Ubuntu desktop if you need to do some adjustments
[02:33] <sebsebseb> wrst: right, but really Unity wasn't meant to go desktop as well, since Canonical were meant to do Gnome Shell by default, but no
[02:33] <F3RR1S> I have my system set to auto login
[02:33] <F3RR1S> and i am not sure how to remove that
[02:34] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, I couldn't get the screen resolution correct yesterday of change to one click and straight delete no trash, and a few others in unity
[02:35] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, login in menu-system admin
[02:35] <sebsebseb> anyway Unity is really for people who have come from Windows or Mac OS X, that hardly know anything about Linux distros yet,  so it will be interesting to find out what happens, when the final of 11.04 comes out :)
[02:35] <F3RR1S> i think i will reboot and see what happens
[02:36] <nit-wit> sebsebseb, takes up to much screen I use one panel with a static window list that doesn't exspand
[02:36] <F3RR1S> my laptop logsin automatically
[02:36] <F3RR1S> l8r
[02:37] <sebsebseb> nit-wit: hopefuly it will work alright in Virtualbox :) once its been set up to do Compiz, however  I will actsually be trying out alpha 1 on here with a pshyical install,  before I put on the distro I want to be running for now,  instead of the one I am currently on
[02:37] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, menu-system'admin -login change from there
[02:37] <sebsebseb> nit-wit: ,but then after that, I only want to be virtual machine trying development versions of 11.04 really :)
[02:38] <nit-wit> sebsebseb, not sure what you mean
[02:39] <sebsebseb> nit-wit: I know about Linux distros :) and Unity isn't really for me, but I will still try it here and there
[02:40] <nit-wit> sebsebseb, I see I think it will improve I am just used to more screen space
[02:40] <sebsebseb> by the looks of it
[02:40] <sebsebseb> its just the netbook version really
[02:40] <sebsebseb> re done with Compiz at the moment
[02:40] <sebsebseb> going by this I mean.  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/ubuntu-11-04-alpha-1-released/
[02:40] <sebsebseb>  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/12/ubuntu-11-04-alpha-1-released/
[02:42] <F3RR1S> ok back
[02:42] <nit-wit> I installed FF 3.6.12 and use the classic desktop I have it on a class10 SDHC card
[02:42] <sebsebseb> nit-wit: yeah they dumped mutter,  but mutter is improving quite a bit now apparantly, and thats what  Gnome Shell uses as well.  Anyway 2011 will be a pretty interesting year for Desktop Linux, because of Gnome 3 final and Unity.
[02:42] <sebsebseb> as well as some other things :)
[02:43] <F3RR1S> now i have a panel with the "ubuntu installer disk icon" on it and when I mouse over it... it says "install release"
[02:43] <nit-wit> sebsebseb, it will be interesting to see what happens I learned my cli from Ubuntu I hope they leave aterminal
[02:43] <F3RR1S> when i click on it it says install ubuntu
[02:43] <F3RR1S> and is the standard ubuntu installer window
[02:43] <sebsebseb> nit-wit: yes they are getting rid of quite a few other things, that should still be there really,  but the terminal will stay :)
[02:43] <F3RR1S> is this normal?
[02:43] <F3RR1S> should I do it?
[02:43] <F3RR1S> has anyone else seen this ?
[02:43] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, are you sure you didn't boot the install cd/thumb
[02:44] <F3RR1S> no, i dist-upgraded no disc in drive no usb drive installed
[02:45] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, I haven't seen that I'm updated but running the classic desktop
[02:45] <F3RR1S> I will start it and back out of it if it gets ugly....
[03:09] <F3RR1S> hmmn... still now window management... reinstalling gnome and gdm
[04:22] <F3RR1S> and yay for me... I have wifi again
[04:22] <F3RR1S> which was pretty painless
[04:22] <F3RR1S> broadcom thirdparty drivers installed by third party driver app
[04:44] <AnxiousNut> hey, lol! I just installed alpha and once i logged in, the only thing showed up is the wallpaper! Nothing else shows up, what's the matter?
[04:44] <IdleOne> it's alpha
[04:45] <AnxiousNut> oh i think it's because it didnt find the driver so it cant play nice with unity!
[04:45] <AnxiousNut> ah
[04:46] <AnxiousNut> So a notification just popped up and it said that restricted drivers were found, how can i install them since i have nothing but a wallpaper? is there a way to do that from the virtual terminals?
[04:47] <rww> yes, see the manpage for jockey-text
[04:48] <AnxiousNut> lol nevermind, managed to create a gnome-terminal launcher and no i launched jocky-gtk :)
[05:01] <F3RR1S> !jockey
[05:04] <F3RR1S> why is there no system button on the panel?
[06:25] <Volkodav> unity is crashing too often - I aswitched back to gnome
[06:25] <Volkodav> :-(
[06:38] <sagaci> i found it pretty slick on my laptop - unity that is
[06:38] <Volkodav> it is nice but crashed on me like 4 times over 10 min - it is losing the window borders
[07:06] <jakubo> hi, is nm-applet's massive ram consumption a known bug? or do i need to report it? and if so: who to?
[07:27] <UndiFineD> jakubo, that would be a memory leak: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager
[07:28] <jakubo> so it has been posted already?
[07:34] <UndiFineD> maybe this one ? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/599659
[07:37] <jakubo> funny i couldnt find it when searching for memory...
[08:37] <nperry> Morning all o/
[10:12] <dooglus> can I run a terminal in 11.04?  if so, how?
[10:16] <dooglus> also, what's with all the screen corruption?  http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/messy-unity.png
[10:24] <nperry> dooglus: do you mean drop to tty1?
[10:25] <dooglus> nperry: I mean like 'gnome-terminal' or something
[10:25] <dooglus> I don't see an applications menu - only icons to run firefox, tomboy, and a couple of things I can't make out because of screen corruption
[10:25] <nperry> alt+f2 then type gnome-termina
[10:26] <nperry> or right click on desktop and create a app launcher
[10:26] <nperry> then when its open in sidebar pin to the side panel by right clicking it
[10:28] <dooglus> thanks
[10:28] <dooglus> nperry: is there some way to get the graphic driver to work like in 10.10?
[10:31] <nperry> dooglus: is that the live cd?
[10:33] <dooglus> nperry: yes
[10:34] <dooglus> nperry: well, a live USB stick anyway
[10:34] <nperry> dooglus: Well install 11.04 a1 then you will be able to install graphic drivers..
[10:35] <dooglus> nperry: this is a1
[10:35] <dooglus> nperry: and I have persistent storage enabled
[10:35] <dooglus> so should be able to install stuff
[10:35] <nperry> Ahhhh :) ok!
[10:35] <nperry> My bad
[10:35] <nperry> First coffee and fizzy caffenine drink hasn't kicked in this mornign
[10:36] <nperry> So not very awake.
[10:36] <dooglus> it used to be that updating the kernel on a live USB stick would stop it booting
[10:36] <nperry> Have you opened the terminal yet?
[10:36] <dooglus> I hope that's been fixed by now - and also, it appears there's no new kernel anyway
[10:36] <dooglus> I have
[10:36] <nperry> Try: gksudo jockey-gtk
[10:36] <nperry> However there was a bug that jockey didn't work, not to sure if it was fixed.
[10:37] <dooglus> this is more user friendly than clicking 'hardware drivers', right?  ;)
[10:37] <dooglus> can't copy/paste either in this terminal
[10:38] <dooglus> jocket didn't find anything
[10:38] <nperry> dooglus: Same thing, but I always run from terminal to get error message :)
[10:39] <nperry> Force of habit
[10:39] <dooglus> can I find a 'system>preferences' menu or equivalent somewhere?
[10:39] <dooglus> I want the 'windows' settings
[10:39] <nperry> gnome-control-center
[10:39] <nperry> from terminal
[10:45] <dooglus> what's the thing in the top left corner?
[10:46] <dooglus> it makes the mouse busy for a second when I click it, but nothing else appears to happen
[10:48] <nperry> at the moment it opens a file browser showing /usr/shar/applications
[10:49] <dooglus> ok
[10:49] <dooglus> I asked the usb-boot-creator thing to make me a 3GB persistence file
[10:50] <dooglus> it seems to have done so, but I just got a warning telling me the computer was nearly full
[10:50] <dooglus> (6 MB remaining)
[10:50] <dooglus> so I guess the persistence file wasn't recognised :(
[10:50] <coz_> hey guys...is there an issue with libgtkspell0.. I keep getting "The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[10:50] <coz_>  libgtkspell0 : Depends: libgtk2/0-0 (>= 2.8.0) but it is not installable"
[10:52] <dooglus> coz_: I have it installed.  I see it's dependencies as: Depends: libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.29.3), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6~), libcairo2 (>= 1.2.4), libenchant1c2a (>= 1.5), libfontconfig1 (>= 2.8.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.2.1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.16.0), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.8.0), libpango1.0-0 (>= 1.14.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4)
[10:52] <coz_> mmm
[10:52] <coz_> ok
[10:52] <dooglus> coz_: and have this installed:
[10:53] <dooglus> ii  libgtk2.0-0                     2.23.2-0ubuntu2                 The GTK+ graphical user interface library
[10:53] <dooglus> coz_: you have a / after 'libgtk2'.  it should be a dot...
[10:53] <coz_> dooglus,   ok let me scoot over to that machine and see if I can fix this
[10:53] <coz_> thanks
[10:54] <dooglus> no problem
[10:58] <beerpages> Erstelle dir deine eigene Umfrage - Beispiel: http://www.beerpages.de/view/2H/Anti-%22Die%20%C3%84rzte%22%20Kampagne
[11:00] <dooglus> how do I reboot?
[11:02] <coz_> dooglus,  did you try  ctrl+alt+delete
[15:25] <robin0800> getting a seg fault in the kernel for the new compiz
[18:14] <F3RR1S> finally got my gnome back!
[18:15] <F3RR1S> but now I have an issue with cairo-doc... it has a black box around it...
[18:16] <F3RR1S> I am going to see if a cairo- chat room exists to see if they have a quick solution...
[19:16] <histo> I don't have that problemw ith cairo-dock on 10.04
[19:17] <histo> Can you get rid of the side panel in unity?
[19:32] <Volkodav> I just did an install yesterday aside 10.10 and then decided to whipe all ssd and reinstall natty over the whole drive - it all went well and on reboot I am stuck at mobo logo not even getting to BIOS
[19:32] <Volkodav> unplugging the ssd system boots - checked cables same thing
[19:34] <Volkodav> figured the drive is bad and put it in enclosure - recognized live and kicking - reformatted again - all good. Anybody else had similar issue maybe ? I will try to through it back and see if it boots
[19:34] <Volkodav> to throw*
[19:55] <F3RR1S> seriously liking 11.04... but I am having issues with "a black box" around docks (cairo and docky)... so I am thinking it is probably opengl... if anyone else has had this type of issue and would like to throw out some ideas... I would greatly appreciate it
[19:56] <F3RR1S> it is on a compaq presaio c500 with the i945 graphics chipset
[19:57] <F3RR1S> actually it is listed as 950 chipset
[19:57] <F3RR1S> but i think they use the same drivers
[20:10] <F3RR1S> which packages do I need installed in order to run opengl correctly?
[20:18] <F3RR1S> hello
[20:21] <Volkodav> how do you control in installer where grub goes or maybe it do not even need to install grub ?
[21:19] <BUGabundo> evening dudets!
[21:25] <charlie-tca> Hello,bug
[21:25] <charlie-tca> well, Hello, BUGabundo , even
[21:25] <BUGabundo> :)
[21:42] <billybigrigger> BUGabundo, howdy
[21:42] <BUGabundo> o/
[21:42] <BUGabundo> how have you been billybigrigger
[21:42] <BUGabundo> long time no see
[21:42] <billybigrigger> yeah tell me about it
[21:43] <billybigrigger> i've been good...busy...getting ready for my busy season :)
[21:43] <billybigrigger> yourself?
[21:43] <BUGabundo> really moody
[21:43] <BUGabundo> my pet dog will have to be put to sleep :(
[21:47] <charlie-tca> Sorry to hear about your pet, BUGabundo
[21:47] <BUGabundo> thanks
[21:47] <charlie-tca> That is a difficult thing to go through, with pets or people
[21:49] <Dink> Anyone else having weird fonts in Firefox ?
[21:50] <Dink> www.google.com/ - ᎠᏍᏆᏂᎪᏗ - ᎤᏠᏱ
[21:52] <Dink> hmm I think is just google
[21:55] <Dink> interesting for my language preference saw some funky [chrome:] stuff. Change it to english and working now.
[21:57] <charlie-tca> I have seen that at times with google in firefox
[21:58] <charlie-tca> It seems to come and go.
[21:58] <Dink> Not sure how it happened.
[21:58] <Dink> Wonder if its the new synching stuff
[21:58] <charlie-tca> I had it for a couple of days, and then it cleared up
[21:59] <Dink> So far natty has been pretty uneventful for me. Running pretty good of my aod250
[23:05] <F3RR1S> there is a whole lotta nothin' goin' on in here today...
[23:07] <charlie-tca> That's because everybody's happy with alpha1 out
[23:09] <F3RR1S> yeah... I had some probs with it but after removing unity and reinstalling gnome... happy as can be
[23:10] <F3RR1S> this is so not like the MS world... all I ever hear about is what a pain in the aces it is...
[23:15] <yofel> the only issue I have with kubuntu is that kde 4.6 beta1 doesn't have any suspend/hibernate buttons without HAL, which is going to be fixed in beta2
[23:16] <yofel> somehow natty feels too stable currently....
[23:17] <F3RR1S> yeah
[23:18] <F3RR1S> it also feels faster to me
[23:19] <yofel> I agree with that
[23:29] <Volkodav> I can't add any additional layout in gnome - the keyboard thing freezes
[23:34] <F3RR1S> Volkodav, i had a horrible time getting gnome to work... lots of errors... but it is now working great
[23:34] <Volkodav> well the layout thing is borked
[23:35] <Volkodav> software center does not install deb packages neither - doing manually
[23:35] <F3RR1S> i did a complete removal of gdm, gnome-core, gnome-desktop, gnome-session, and basically everything else gnome
[23:35] <charlie-tca> Did you try choosing classic desktop session at login?
[23:35] <F3RR1S> i did not reboot...
[23:35] <F3RR1S> and then reinstalled them
[23:36] <F3RR1S> it only worked after doing a "complete removal"
[23:36] <F3RR1S> after that everything works better than 10.10
[23:37] <F3RR1S> the only thing i would like to get to work better is the cairo-dock... black box around it
[23:59] <Volkodav> hmm - once "New windows use active windows's layout" was unticked the add layout worked if anybody got the same issue