[10:37] <thorwil> ivanka: aww, no worries. especially as i totally failed to take care about the design center thing since uds :)
[10:38] <thorwil> ivanka, vish: so what to do? extend the artwork team logo submission period until when?
[10:38] <ivanka> thorwil: thanks - I am hoping to get the survey going today - have to put handwritten notes into electronic format and take it from there
[10:39] <ivanka> thorwil: vish, I don't know
[10:39] <vish> thorwil: first we decide what we want to be, and then we decide how long to extend it..
[10:40] <thorwil> vish: i don't think "what do we want to be?" asked to the team will lead to any actionable result
[10:41] <vish> thorwil: not asking the team.. i meant wait for the survey results and then..
[10:42] <vish> thorwil: afaik, the survey is to give us a clue..
[10:56]  * thorwil sends mail, suggesting new deadline begin of february, for another evaluation
[11:02] <thorwil> regarding the BR thing, i'm pretty sure "logo oficial do Time de Arte Ubuntu BR" means official logo for the Ubuntu BR Artwork Team
[11:03] <thorwil> reminds me of the sad fact that there is no communication between various regional efforts and us
[11:11] <coz_> thorwil, simple enough logo
[11:12] <thorwil> coz_: hmm?
[11:13] <coz_> thorwil, the  ubuntu -br logo
[11:17] <vish> thorwil: there is nothing BR about it, we can just use it as well... ;)
[11:18] <vish> thorwil: but you have a wicked eye!, brush in the face! ;p
[17:56] <coz_> good day all
[17:56] <darkmatter> ello coz_
[17:56] <coz_> darkmatter,  hey guy :)
[18:04] <vish> thorwil: i think you just made powerful enemies ;p
[18:05] <vish> you extended the logo deadline, now baer will write to you more ;p
[18:06] <vish> enemy*
[18:40] <thorwil> vish: powerful?
[18:40] <vish> thorwil: and he'll also trivial edit wiki ;p
[18:41] <thorwil> guess what my wiki options say
[18:41] <vish> thorwil: i unsubscribed to the projects wiki..
[18:41] <vish> i was earlier subscribed to it and then :s
[18:43] <vish> thorwil: did you know about the plan for the final selection for the team logo ?
[18:43] <vish> his three options?
[18:43] <thorwil> vish: i saw them, but didn't know of any plan
[18:44] <vish> thorwil: hmm, this is the first time i heard about them.. very odd making someone else pick your shirt ;p
[18:44] <vish> your==team's
[18:44] <vish> especially since the team is the artwork team o.0
[18:45] <thorwil> vish: i just misunderstood you
[18:45] <thorwil> he mentioned the options earlier in private mail
[18:45] <vish> ah!
[18:46] <vish> i dont see any rationale in three of his options
[18:47] <vish> each has its flaws.. first two seem totally wrong, other's can suggest options, but i dont think the final decision must lie on them
[18:48] <vish> s/lie/rely
[18:48] <thorwil> vish: i disagree. first 2 would be sensible in case we could pick few candidates, where each would be acceptable to us
[18:49] <vish> thorwil: thats what i meant.. they can suggest the final options from where team chooses the one they want
[18:49] <thorwil> that's backwards from what i meant :)
[18:49] <vish> hmm, oh! :D
[18:51] <vish> thorwil: yea, and what's with the private mails.. he sent the mails for the logo to all my id's o.0
[18:51] <vish> my old mac_v id.. not sure where he found that, maybe in breathe …
[18:51] <thorwil> vish: frequency and content of his mails to me have been perfectly acceptable
[18:52] <thorwil> vish: well, tell him which single address you prefer ;)
[18:52] <vish> thorwil: yea, he has slowed down since last meeting..
[18:52] <thorwil> this whole circus is so damn silly
[18:52] <vish> exactly!!
[18:54] <thorwil> vish: on lo-marketing, i saw a whole bunch of people who all misunderstood my proposed vision/mission statement to somehow be about audience-facing communication and went on to propose slogans
[18:55] <vish> hehe! :)
[18:56] <thorwil> guess how even more valuable it is to see someone who applies my strategies in a meaningful way, thereby implying that he does a bit more than to understand what i'm about
[18:56] <thorwil> and then at the same time all these communication and sync hickups
[18:57] <vish> they should have had a separate ML, rather than marketing , i guess thats where the confusion starts..
[18:58] <thorwil> there is a design list
[18:58] <thorwil> but in theory, what i proposed there belongs to marketing, too
[18:58] <thorwil> just that the list seems to be full of people with a marketing->slogan shortcut in their head
[18:58] <vish> :)
[19:00] <thorwil> oh, and the definition of marketing that allows one guy to claim marketing would be about serving the customer/user ... delicious
[19:00] <thorwil> let's define everything as broad as possible and turn the meaning around 180° for maximal clarity
[19:01] <thorwil> more on topic, wonder what has to happen to see xubuntu wallpaper submissions that are not something blue on blue with a little blue
[19:03] <vish> heh, yea.. i hadnt even checked out the guidelines, so i'm not even sure the color i modified was the right blue ;p
[19:14] <hughbert> hello there anybody around?
[19:15] <hughbert> i want to know what do you think of my logo for ubuntu ireland:
[19:16] <hughbert> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1463311
[19:19] <hughbert> its looking like the lights are on but nobodys home....
[19:19] <thorwil> hi
[19:20] <thorwil> ugh, one thing i really don't like about the forum is having to be logged in to see attachments
[19:20] <hughbert> sorry about that...
[19:20] <hughbert> is there any good picture uplaoding site?
[19:22] <thorwil> foopics.com
[19:22] <thorwil> (for temporary things)
[19:22] <hughbert> cool thanks
[19:22] <hughbert> wait up a sec...
[19:24] <hughbert> well i ment a minute...
[19:25] <hughbert> http://www.foopics.com/show/0ed294a90e6e25e97f813b91b7a57b5e
[19:25] <thorwil> thanks
[19:25] <hughbert> no problem...
[19:26] <thorwil> hughbert: the knot idea has huge potential
[19:26] <thorwil> hughbert: i think you should leave the heads as circles, becomes too busy, otherwise
[19:26] <hughbert> really i went to my local Lug and they were like its a bit too OTT
[19:27] <hughbert> I dont agree though so....
[19:27] <hughbert> you like it anyway....
[19:27] <thorwil> well, i like the knots
[19:27] <hughbert> alright will do....
[19:28] <thorwil> hughbert: try to render the segments as rope. only
[19:28] <thorwil> that is, not inside another shape
[19:28] <hughbert> oo right...
[19:28] <hughbert> overlayed
[19:28] <hughbert> ??
[19:29] <thorwil> no, just single shapes, solid fill
[19:30] <hughbert> ooo i see....
[19:30] <hughbert> could you maybe change it there for me because my wacom is'nt working....
[19:31] <thorwil> hughbert: no
[19:31] <hughbert> thats fine
[19:32] <thorwil> hughbert: there's at least one long thread on the ubuntu forum regarding getting your wacom to work ...
[19:32] <hughbert> ill be getting a new one anyway soon
[19:32] <hughbert> i steped on it...
[19:32] <hughbert> so its fecked...
[19:32] <thorwil> hughbert: but later on, once you are sure about the geometry, the logo should be realized in svg, with inkscape
[19:33] <thorwil> ah ok, the forum thread can't help with things you stepped on :)
[19:33] <hughbert> ya that would look good alright i was thinking of doing that alright....
[19:34] <hughbert> can i count on this being half official?
[19:34] <thorwil> hughbert: this is not one bit official
[19:35] <hughbert> ha ha thats grand...
[19:35] <thorwil> hughbert: you will have to convince those in charge of the team that shall use it
[19:36] <thorwil> hughbert: i don't belong to the canonical design team, but it would make no difference if i did, because that's how it's being handled
[19:36] <thorwil> the teams decide themselves
[19:36] <hughbert> i see...
[19:36] <hughbert> i'd say that won't be too hard i got 802 views on ubuntu fourms...
[19:37] <thorwil> the number of views don't mean a thing
[19:37] <hughbert> thats grand... flip it anyway....
[19:37] <hughbert> i know the fella doing up the new site so its grand...
[19:38] <thorwil> sure, direct contact to those who do the work is key
[19:38] <hughbert> ya am where are you from by the by?
[19:39] <thorwil> germany
[19:39] <hughbert> o really cool...
[19:40] <thorwil> particularly now, when we got lots of snow
[19:41] <thorwil> hughbert: you are from ireland?
[19:42] <hughbert> any way i'd better be off im working on a poster for my local LUG
[19:42] <hughbert> If you want to take a look its: www.clarelug.blogspot.com
[19:43] <hughbert> ya born and bred...
[19:43] <thorwil> hughbert: he, take it easy on me, i'm not familiar with that slang :)
[19:44] <thorwil> hughbert: nm, now i get it
[19:45] <hughbert> in the west coast....
[19:45] <hughbert> ha ha ....
[19:45] <hughbert> sorry about that...
[19:45] <hughbert> ill try in and talk in good english...
[19:45] <hughbert> ha ha im still laughing..
[19:45] <hughbert> im on the floor...
[19:46] <thorwil> hughbert: lol, no actually at i first failed to see it was the answer to my question. so a problem of context, not so much the expression :)
[19:47] <thorwil> but glad to be entertaining :)
[19:47] <hughbert> you shoud come over sometime....
[19:47] <hughbert> ever been to ireland?
[19:48] <thorwil> nope
[19:48] <hughbert> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_Clare
[19:48] <hughbert> you should come over during the spring or summer...
[19:49] <hughbert> we have our own airport and everything....
[19:50] <thorwil> maybe some day ...
[19:50] <hughbert> your snowed in???
[19:50] <hughbert> we have only 3 cm of snow....
[19:51] <hughbert> but in the east they have 60cm its very bad over there....
[19:51] <thorwil> only few cm here too, it's just very early. as always, it gets worse to the south
[19:51] <hughbert> oo right....
[19:51] <thorwil> it's enough to mess up the traffic
[19:51] <hughbert> we're not used to it....
[19:52] <hughbert> its the worst in generations....
[19:53] <hughbert> anyway you can pop over anytime, your welcome to....
[19:53] <thorwil> thanks :)
[19:53] <hughbert> we might have a LUG meeting....
[19:54] <hughbert> Stallman came to Clare back in 2001 had a big drinking session....
[19:56] <hughbert> thanks for your help... good luck!!!
[19:56] <thorwil> np :)
[19:57] <hughbert> Gute Nacht!
[19:58] <thorwil> hughbert: good night to you, too!