[01:58] <skaet_> JFo, around?
[06:52] <kaushal> hi
[06:52] <kaushal> I installed linux-image-server on 10.10 how do i make it default kernel ?
[07:07] <LetoThe2nd> kaushal: change the grub defaults. but i guess you would better ask in the generic support channel, as this one is meant for kernel development.
[07:07] <LetoThe2nd> kaushal: #ubuntu, or #ubuntu-{your language tag}, like #ubuntu-fr - for example.
[07:13] <kaushal> Thanks LetoThe2nd 
[08:30] <apw> joshhunt, i think firmware is normally in there
[08:36] <apw> kaushal, normally the latest kernel installed is the default kernel
[08:37] <kaushal> apw: ok
[08:39] <kaushal> apw: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/539323/
[08:39] <kaushal> apw: I have rebooted it too
[08:41] <apw> kaushal, i am confused, you only have one kernel installed according to that, so whatever you are running is the server kernel
[08:41] <apw> or more specifically 'the kernel for server use'
[08:42] <apw> which as you are running i386 is the generic-pae kernel
[08:42] <kaushal> apw: basically I am needing server kernel
[08:42] <apw> kaushal, needing in what sense?  what is the kernel you have not doing for you
[08:42] <kaushal> it says --generic and not --server ?
[08:43] <kaushal> 2.6.24-28-server
[08:43] <kaushal> for example
[08:43] <apw> that kernel is still the kernel we recommend for i386 servers, hense you installed linux-image-server and you got the kernel we recommend for that use
[08:43] <kaushal> ok
[08:44] <apw> from lucid onwards that is no longer called -server, as it is also used for larger 'desktops' which were not supported
[08:44] <apw> there is actually not much difference in configuration from -generic to -server for i386 on older releases either
[08:47] <kaushal> apw: is there a way to know from /proc 
[08:47] <kaushal> the kernel version
[08:48] <apw> cat /proc/version and /proc/version_signature
[08:53] <kaushal> apw: Thanks
[09:43] <smb> apw, Quick question on the pre-proposed stuff: are you looking at master-next only for the kernel or for lbm and meta as well?
[09:43] <apw> smb, only for kernel, noone has mentioned changing to master-next for anything else yet
[09:43] <apw> i don't care if we do change at all if thats less confusing
[09:44] <smb> apw, Ok, cool. Then I am good. I have no strong preference there. Just was wondering after having added something to a meta package
[09:44] <apw> no ... am assuming if there is a change somone will tell me
[09:45] <smb> Likely so
[12:40] <lamont> Intel Server System SR1600UR  <-- machine has no disks when hardy scans it... is there a driver that didn't come along for this box until lucid/maverick timeframe?
[13:02] <apw> lamont, there have been some new drivers for sure, or newer firmware for same ... what does lspci say it has
[13:04] <lamont> apw: let me get back there
[13:11] <lamont> apw: any options you want to lspci?
[13:12] <apw> -nnvv to get the pci id's <- lamont 
[13:14] <lamont> so here I sit in busybox from pxeboot with a 40kb file... suggestions on how to get it off the box?
[13:15] <apw> lamont, well i only want the pci-ids for the disk controller
[13:15] <apw> 00:1f.2 SATA controller [0106]: Intel Corporation N10/ICH7 Family SATA AHCI Controller [8086:27c1] (rev 02) (prog-if 01 [AHCI 1.0])
[13:15] <lamont> 00:1f.2 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 4 port SATA IDE Controller
[13:15] <apw> lamont, like on mine here i have that, the bit in []'s is the bit i want
[13:15] <lamont> that sort of beast?
[13:15] <apw> that sounds like it yes
[13:15] <apw> with -nnvv you'll have a [xxxs:yyy] thingy
[13:15] <lamont> 00:1f.2 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801JI (ICH10 Family) 4 port SATA IDE Controller [8086:3a20] (prog-if 8f [Master SecP SecO PriP PriO])
[13:16] <lamont> 	Subsystem: Intel Corporation Unknown device [8086:34de]
[13:16] <lamont> I think that second line is rather a smoking gun
[13:16] <apw> that implies the kernel has no mapping for the system itself
[13:16] <apw> it doesn't know what sort of server it is
[13:17] <apw> which isn't supprising for hardy
[13:17] <lamont> to be fair, it's certified for 10.10 and later
[13:17] <lamont> well, 10.10 only atm
[13:17] <lamont> since 11.04 certification is kinda hard to claim at alpha1
[13:18] <lamont> does it matter that it's NUMA
[13:18] <apw> shouldn't no
[13:18] <lamont> nm. hardy did just fine figuring out that it was numa and all that
[13:19] <lamont> it would be most kewl if I could get hardy's xen kernel working on these machines... two more ppas if we do
[13:20] <apw> from natty> drivers/ata/ata_piix.c: { 0x8086, 0x3a20, PCI_ANY_ID, PCI_ANY_ID, 0, 0, ich8_sat
[13:20] <apw> from hardy >
[13:21] <lamont> is it likely just a matter of adding the PCI ID?
[13:22] <apw> lamont, looking now
[13:22] <lamont> eventually, if it's simple, you know I'm going to ask you to lob something into a ppa for me to grab and test...
[13:23] <apw> lamont, heh, my ears they seem to have stopped working
[13:23] <lamont> lol
[13:23] <lamont> I didn't say lob something tested at it... :)
[13:27] <apw> lamont, does a test kernel need to be in PPA or can i just give you a .deb
[13:27] <lamont> actually, I want the pxeboot kernel and initrd from netinst
[13:27] <apw> lamont, erm, no idea how those are made
[13:27] <lamont> so if it's modules, it's more complicated
[13:28] <lamont> debs will do just fine
[13:28] <apw> does a PPA build of a kernel make something you can consume in that context ?
[13:28] <apw> phew
[13:28] <lamont> I might need all the debs, which means ppa, I suspect
[13:28] <apw> debs or .udebs ?
[13:29] <apw> lamont, is there a bug associated with this yet ?
[13:29] <lamont> no
[13:30] <lamont> rather, not that I know of.
[13:30] <lamont> and yeah, if you can make it a non-module in the kernel deb you give me, that will simplify my life greatly
[13:30] <apw> i386 or amd64 ?
[13:30] <lamont> amd64
[13:31] <apw> flavour ?
[13:31] <apw> lamont, ^
[13:32] <lamont> 2.6.24-24-generic <-- that's what I'm running now...
[13:32] <lamont> for the final fix, I need 2.6.24-xx-xen
[13:32] <apw> yep just interested in finding out if there is any hope
[13:35] <apw> lamont, i'll let you know if it builds ...
[13:35] <lamont> ta.  I have about 16 other things on my plate today, it may be sometime next week before I actually get to test it
[13:37] <apw> lamont, sounds familiar
[13:41] <smb> lamont, apw IIRC there was one guy sending a patch for Hardy to get N10 controllers supported...
[13:42] <apw> smb, got a pointer to that ?
[13:42] <smb> Re: Fwd: Dell PowerEdge R410 ICH10 SATA support in Ubuntu Hardy
[13:42] <smb> On our mailing list
[13:42] <apw> ok
[13:43] <smb> We were a bit doubtful that only adding IDs is all thats needed
[13:43] <smb> Then there was no comment back on that
[13:43] <smb> Or we got distracted
[13:43] <smb> One of the three
[13:44] <apw> his attempt to claim copyright in code which was already upstream and only a backport seemed lame
[13:44] <apw> anyhow, i've just pulle the upstream commit which added the support back
[13:44] <smb> That applied cleanly to Hardy?
[13:45] <apw> the original which applied them yes, they are linked as ich8 , they don't seem to be special ich10 code anywhere
[13:46] <smb> Hm, ok. So with a simple backport from upstream it is more likely to accept it
[13:46] <apw> smb, it applied without any fuzz even ...
[13:46] <apw> and we have the advantage we can get lamont to test it
[13:46] <smb> true
[13:47] <apw> most of the recent updates for all the really new ICH stuff has just been id's too
[13:48] <smb> Sounds simple enough to get those supported as soon as servers turn up using that
[13:48] <lamont> apw: and if you give me an initrd to go with that kernel, even if I need to boot with break to get reality, that's a bonus
[13:49] <lamont> meh.  I can do that part easily enough
[13:49] <apw> lamont, an initrd is harder for sure
[13:50] <apw> smb, do you have a hardy box ?
[13:50]  * lamont does
[13:50] <lamont> I have a whole bucket full
[13:50] <apw> so we could get the new kernel installed on one to get the initramfs built
[13:50] <smb> apw, Not normally running Hardy
[13:52] <smb> apw, Oh wait
[13:53] <smb> I have the test environment for preventing xen explode again. That is a server install even
[13:54] <smb> apw, Have you already started a test build for that on one of your machines?
[13:55] <apw> smb, yes build is done, image is uploading to rookery now
[13:55] <smb> ok. lamont, if you need me to generate an initrd, let me know
[13:56] <lamont> smb: if you would, that would spare me abusing a machine that I shouldn't
[13:57] <smb> lamont, sure
[13:57] <lamont> esp if this is, as I suspect, the same ABI number as current hardy-security/updates
[13:57] <apw> smb, ok will let you know when the kernel is up
[13:57] <smb> apw, ok
[13:57] <apw> 24-28.83
[13:59] <smb> apw, Those are the lucky numbers? ;)
[13:59] <apw> yep you win the lottery if you play those
[14:00]  * smb wonders how hardly apw would bite into his but is he played and won
[14:09] <JFo> I'm sure he would charge a nominal fee smb
[14:10] <JFo> :)
[14:10] <apw> smb, http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lamont-ich10-hardy/
[14:26] <JFo> so cking that ATI BIOS issue is a breakage in the BIOS or in GRUB2?
[14:31] <smb> apw, In my home on people there is a initrd.img-2.6.24-28-generic. Could you add that to your lamont-ich10?
[14:35] <cking> JFo, dunno
[14:35] <JFo> k :)
[14:36] <apw> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/683775
[14:36] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 683775 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "Natty Alpha 1, i915 has blank screen after boot (affects: 5) (dups: 1) (heat: 32)" [High,In progress]
[14:36] <apw> smb ^
[14:38] <JFo> smb, were you the person working that NFS bug we got pinged a bout yesterday?
[14:38]  * JFo can't remember
[14:38] <JFo> :)
[14:39] <smb> JFo, Seems in the end I got myself assigned (stupid!) :)
[14:39] <JFo> sorry about that :)
[14:39] <smb> I'll have a look when I can hear myself thinking again. :)
[14:39] <smb> JFo, Meh, life
[14:39] <JFo> yeh
[14:40] <apw> lamont, see http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lamont-ich10-hardy/ for all you initrd desires
[14:40] <lamont> apw: coolness.  you ok with leaving it there until next week?  (and do you want me to leave it or nuke it when I grab it?
[14:42] <apw> just leave it, it will expire by iteself over time
[14:42] <apw> lamont, let me know how it works out
[14:42] <apw> as i will completely forget about it shortly
[14:42] <smb> lamont, You will have the honor to open a bug for it...
[14:46] <JFo> heh
[14:47] <lamont> nod
[14:48] <JFo> <- need coffee. brb
[14:52] <JFo> mmmm, coffee
[14:54]  * apw slaps Jfo
[14:55] <JFo> :-(
[14:55] <JFo> why?
[14:55]  * JFo cries
[14:55] <smb> JFo, You mentioned coffee
[14:55] <smb> without sharing
[14:55] <apw> we're about to lose about 5 man hours as we all run off to get some :)
[14:55] <JFo> heh
[14:55] <JFo> sorry about that
[15:17] <apw> JFo, HEY
[15:18] <JFo> apw. yo
[15:31] <JFo> apw do the 2 old bugs on this list seem to apply to the gfxpayload issue? http://goo.gl/U9BCr
[15:35] <apw> JFo,  http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/natty/canonical-kernel-team.html
[15:36] <apw> cking, JFo https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Natty
[15:38] <JFo> thanks apw
[16:48] <JFo> <-lunch
[17:36] <ogasawara> bjf: I'm going to push my Lucid fsl-imx51 branch if that's ok.
[17:36] <bjf> ogasawara, sorry, yes please!
[17:37] <bjf> ogasawara, we don't really care about those branches :-)
[17:37] <ogasawara> heh
[17:37] <ogasawara> bjf: should I go ahead and upload the package to our PPA?
[17:40] <bjf> ogasawara, you can if you want, i've not uploaded the mvl-dove one though i have one ready, i'm waiting on the discussion with pitti just to see if there are going to be issues
[17:41] <ogasawara> bjf: that's a good point, I'll hold off for now.
[17:41] <bjf> ogasawara, oh, the other thing for mvl-dove is, there is already a build "baking" in -proposed for some time
[17:42] <bjf> ogasawara, and ... just the fact the branches are "up to date" is better than we've been in a while :-)
[17:42] <ogasawara> bjf: probably good to holf off on mvl-dove then if there's still one baking in -proposed.
[17:45] <apw> ogasawara, don't say push too loudly
[17:45] <ogasawara> hehe
[17:59] <manjo> smb, emailed you the info I was talking about 
[18:06] <manjo> apw, you are echoing badly
[18:06] <manjo> apw, heh
[18:54]  * apw wanders off to find beer
[19:27]  * cking wanders off to get a life
[19:27]  * smb found some
[19:27] <smb> (beer)
[19:28] <cking> no life then?
[19:28] <Sarvatt> anyone have any recommendations on which commits to start reverting from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/natty-changes/2010-November/001282.html that might make grub stop loading after a reboot (but works on a cold boot)? 2.6.37-2.10 and earlier work fine, everything later hangs at the grub loading screen after rebooting on my i386 netbook. mainline kernels all work fine
[19:28] <smb> cking, If there is beer there is life
[19:28] <cking> smb, the two mutually exclusive then?
[19:29] <smb> cking, I did not think I said that, did I
[19:29] <smb> Rather inclusive
[19:29] <smb> But proabably not strictly
[19:29] <cking> :-)
[19:29] <cking> gotta go.. seeya all
[19:29] <smb> have a good one
[20:00] <manjo> jjohansen, around ? 
[20:06] <jjohansen> yep
[20:06] <jjohansen> manjo: whats up?
[20:22] <JFo> brb
[20:56] <JFo> yay  I have heat once again in my house
[21:32]  * jjohansen lunch
[21:37]  * charlie-tca really likes heat. It is is very nice to have when it is cold.
[21:40] <JFo> indeed it is charlie-tca 
[22:09]  * ogasawara lunch