[01:15] <harrysacks> Wat up homies
[01:20] <h00k> holy smokes away log.
[01:20]  * LjL h00ks h00k onto the l00gs and g00s to sl00p
[01:21] <h00k> LjL: Nighty!
[01:23] <h00k> Jordan_U: consider banning *@166.186.168.*
[01:25] <Jordan_U> h00k: Would that be /mode #ubuntu +b *@166.186.168.* ?
[01:25] <h00k> Jordan_U: yeah. I took care of it, banned the .2 they were on, anyway. That'll catch all idents from that range of IPs
[01:25] <h00k> Jordan_U: what client are you using?
[01:26] <Jordan_U> h00k: irssi
[01:26] <h00k> Jordan_U: have you been introduced to autobleh?
[01:27] <Jordan_U> h00k: I've seen it mentioned and downloaded it but I haven't looked into it more than that.
[01:27] <h00k> Jordan_U: I use it, it's quite useful for quick things like that, saves keystrokes
[01:27] <h00k> Jordan_U: for instance, I did:
[01:27] <h00k> /ab RodStiffins
[01:28] <h00k> and it opped me, banned them, and deopped me
[01:29] <h00k> Jordan_U: alternatively, you could set up your own aliases
[01:30] <RodStiffins> I demand you unban me
[01:31] <h00k> RodStiffins: I'm not finding your idents appropriate for the channel, or the #ubuntu-*space. In addition, the !attitude isn't quite appropriate
[01:31] <h00k> ubottu: tell RodStiffins about attitude
[01:31] <h00k> ubottu: tell RodStiffins about coc
[01:31] <RodStiffins> my name is rod stiffins......
[01:32] <h00k> RodStiffins: there were other idents you used previously, also. I'm not stupid.
[01:32] <RodStiffins> So i am banned because of my real name being rod stiffins?
[01:32] <RodStiffins> like what
[01:34] <h00k> RodStiffins: an ident of harrysack. I'm not entertaining the idea of unbanning you at the moment.
[01:34] <RodStiffins> thats my other name
[01:34] <h00k> RodStiffins: Please part the channel. Apparently we're not going to get anywhere on this issue.
[01:35] <h00k> RodStiffins: please take some time to read the Code of Conduct as I've linked to you
[01:37] <h00k> RodStiffins: Please part the channel, this channel isn't for idling
[01:38] <h00k> Thanks, peer.
[03:37] <rww> . !envyng appears to be out of date. the envyng-* packages haven't existed since Karmic. I don't know enough to fix this, though.
[03:40]  * tonyyarusso introduces rww to 'forget'
[03:55] <rww> Works for me. You'd want to !forget envy too, btw (alias).
[03:59] <rww> I wonder how long the timeout on /at quiets is ;D
[04:01] <rww> ah, 10 minutes
[05:43] <johzephine> Hi.  Can I get someone banned from the ubuntu channels for inappropriate PMs?
[05:44] <johzephine> or should I just deal with it myself?
[05:44] <rww> johzephine: Channel operators can't stop people from PMing you, and generally don't act on them unless someone's PMing everyone in a channel with spam, or something similar.
[05:44] <Captainkrtek> hello, anyone know who I can contact about hosting a mirror for ubuntu distros?
[05:44] <Captainkrtek> I have multiple servers
[05:44] <rww> johzephine: You can ask in #freenode, but if it's just someone with a personal problem with you, they'll likely tell you to just use /ignore
[05:44] <tonyyarusso> Captainkrtek: I can dig up the link - hold on
[05:44] <johzephine> rww: I just read that in the other channel, thanks.
[05:44] <Captainkrtek> thank you tonyyarusso :)
[05:44]  * rww was just digging up the Mirrors link to post in #ubuntu >.>
[05:45] <Captainkrtek> haha
[05:45] <Captainkrtek> thanks guys :)
[05:45] <tonyyarusso> Captainkrtek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mirrors
[05:45] <Captainkrtek> thanks tony!
[05:47] <Captainkrtek> quick question about this part
[05:47] <Captainkrtek> 382GB of disk space for the Ubuntu package archive.
[05:47] <Captainkrtek> 39GB for Ubuntu release CD images.
[05:47] <Captainkrtek> can I just host one of the two?
[05:47] <rww> Captainkrtek: probably better to move back to #ubuntu, we're not really the right channel for this :)
[05:48] <Captainkrtek> okay sorry
[05:48] <rww> ikonia: fyi (since I think you've talked about this in the past), I've been keeping an eye on the open proxy bans for the last few days, and it doesn't seem like they're growing at a problematic rate. I'll start removing them if they become an issue, though (and am going to talk to LjL about whether he has recommendations for how many days to keep them around)
[05:57] <rww> tonyyarusso: (in reply to something from a while back) the LP project for the ubuntu bots doesn't cover FloodBots, btw. Says so on the bug reporting page.
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> o rly?  Well that's silly.
[05:58] <rww> not really. the floodbots aren't open source, so the number of people who can work on bugs is significantly smaller than the number of people who can work on ubottu etc. bugs.
[05:59] <tonyyarusso> Well, fine, then there should be a separate project so we still have somewhere to report issues.
[06:01] <rww> *sings* My bugtracker has a nickname, it's L - j - L.
[06:01]  * tonyyarusso files bug - the bugtracker is down
[06:02] <rww> I like to annoy him every day / and if you ask me why I'll say / LjL has a way with b - u - g - s.
[06:02] <rww> tonyyarusso: memoserv!
[06:05] <rww> heads up that DrFrohman's banned from two channels for team trolling, and DevilDragon showed up at the same time as him the last time he was in #ubuntu-offtopic. And they just joined #ubuntu.
[06:07] <rww> s/banned/removed/
[06:08] <rww> or one and I missed him the other time. or something. I don't know, it's late. keep an eye on him if he starts talking ;P
[06:40] <IdleOne> rww you called it
[07:03] <rww> Eight, incidentally, is part of the same group.
[07:13] <rww> wait, what the heck. since ohaitharbaby was DrFrohman on webchat (on the same hostname), why did FloodBot banexempt him :\
[07:16] <rww> hrm, probably related to it trying to set a ban on his hostname minus the last two letters. bug, I guess.
[07:22] <tonyyarusso> Anyone care to update factoids (!alpha, !alpha1, !natty) to reflect the fact that Natty now has an Alpha 1 released?
[07:24] <rww> I'd recommend just updating /topic #ubuntu+1 for alpha release announcement. Keeping factoids up to date is harder.
[07:25] <rww> (heck, !natty would be better with "not stable" instead of pre-alpha or alpha, imho)
[07:27] <Flannel> "you'll poke your eye out on that horn"
[07:28] <rww> "Natty is undomesticated and is not intended for production systems."
[07:29] <Flannel> "Narwhals are known to be rambunctious and should not be trusted with your important data"
[08:28] <ikonia> rww: how are you verifying if they are open proxies ?
[08:44] <love_robot> :)
[08:44] <ikonia> love_robot: what's the smile for ?
[08:45] <love_robot> I'm sure you can use simple logic to deduce it.
[08:45] <ikonia> I can't thats why I'm asking
[08:47] <love_robot> You'll live.
[08:47] <ikonia> that makes no sense
[08:47] <ikonia> love_robot: come back when you can actually have a conversation or answer questions without cryptic answers
[08:48] <rww> ikonia: I'm not. If that's the issue you had with them, I misparsed you :(
[08:48] <ikonia> rww: once love_robot's sorted I'll explain, see if we are in line
[08:48] <rww> k
[08:50] <ikonia> love_robot: unless you can answer questions without coded responses, please leave this channel and come back later
[08:51] <love_robot> I assume reasoning is weak for some one like you if it is difficult for you to "realize" why I would join back into the channel and type a ":)".
[08:52] <ikonia> love_robot: not at all, I'm asking you a question to allow you to explain your self rather than take my perception
[08:52] <ikonia> love_robot: if you want me to go with my perception, you can leave the channel now, as my perception is for you to mock your behaviour in #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:52] <rww> love_robot: You possibly know this already, but you're currently in #ubuntu-ops, because you're banforwarded here from #ubuntu-offtopic.
[08:54] <love_robot> rww: Yes, I realized it. It's not serious enough for me to fully explain to ikonia as to why I would find it amusing to be banned for typing "wtf".
[08:54] <love_robot> Or rather stating that "you will live".
[08:54] <ikonia> love_robot: then the conversation is done, come back when you do have time to explain
[08:54] <rww> love_robot: Alrighty, just checking, since "join back into the channel" sounded like you didn't know :). *hands back the mic to ikonia*
[08:55] <ikonia> I'm done
[08:55] <ikonia> love_robot: please come back later
[08:56] <love_robot> rww: Thanks for being more reasonable in the past than the acronym nazi ikonia.
[08:56] <love_robot> :) enjoy your Ubuntu
[08:56] <ikonia> bye
[08:56] <ikonia> the only reason he was banned is I've asked him 2 times to stop using "wtf", and this is the 3rd time, and instead of saying "sure" he comes back with clever responses
[08:57] <ikonia> if he's have not been stupid I'd have removed the ban straight away once he agreed to stop properly
[08:57] <mneptok> he had me at "acronym nazi"
[08:58] <ikonia> lots of people complain that wtf is acceptable, and if the council change the policy I won't have a problem with it
[09:00] <rww> I'm not really bothered either way on it. The fact that he knows he was breaking the guidelines and was being silly about it is a bigger problem imho.
[09:00] <ikonia> great, now getting hassle from drmanhatten that the rule is stupid and no-one will follow it
[09:01] <ikonia> rww back to the open proxies
[09:01] <ikonia> rww: my issue is that the flood bots method of detection doesn't appear to be accureate, I've run scans on a few of the boxes it's banned and they are not open proxies
[09:01] <ikonia> they are on a list listed as once open proxies, but when I try to use them or test them on their open ports, they are blocked/not responding
[09:02] <ikonia> most of what I'm seeing as false positives are dynamic IP's so may have been once a proxy, but are not now
[09:03] <rww> Ah. Yeah, that's definitely a concern.
[09:03] <rww> I don't know if this is a deliberate change, but the last open proxy FloodBot detected didn't get banned, so maybe LjL switched it to notification-only.
[09:04] <rww> in which case all of this is moot, I guess. (I only noticed this after I mentioned it originally)
[09:04] <ikonia> I hadn't noticed that change
[09:04] <ikonia> did it get kicked ?
[09:05] <rww> ikonia: nope, but it triggered the channel going +r
[09:06] <rww> ikonia: misaki, /joined about 2 hours ago
[09:06] <ikonia> hmmm
[09:07] <ikonia> DrManhattan is really attempting to be as derogatory as possible
[09:09] <ikonia> he's trying to provoke me so he can kick up a stink (in my opinion)
[09:14] <Myrtti> moin
[09:16] <ikonia> back later
[09:45] <rww> Apparently today's IP for large numbers of users on the same connection is 59.90.206.157. Tell your friends!
[09:54] <Myrtti> do they win any prizes? Packet of coffee, gift certificates or foot massage?
[09:59] <rww> Hopefully, if I can figure out how to send bees over CTCP.
[11:26] <ikonia> what the devil is going on in mahen23, he keeps joining #ubuntu-offtopic making random innuendo family guy gags then parting
[11:36] <jpds> ikonia: Must be a cultural reference to how random clips appear in Family Guy.
[11:36] <ikonia> who knows, he just seems to have gone stupid and trying to be an issue of of late
[13:26] <bazhang> i5noc feels 'google it' is appropriate support.
[13:30] <ikonia> give him a nudge, no harm in pointing people at google with a hint for basic stuff
[13:37] <Myrtti> are they seriously teaching nmap and aircrack now?
[13:40] <jrib> "they"?
[13:40] <jrib> ah i5noc
[14:37] <Myrtti> he's really swimming upstream
[14:43] <Myrtti> hm
[15:41] <Myrtti> [17:40] ~~~S0|ar|s [~OS@89-215-63-238.2072966220.ddns-lan.pl.ekk.bg]  has quit [Quit: Fuck Me I'm Famous!]
[16:02] <topyli> Myrtti: i've taken to banforwarding those, or banning and sending a memo if they're registered
[17:30] <IdleOne> KB1JWQ: gave me +o in #freenode :) for all of 4 seconds
[17:30] <IdleOne> hehe
[18:29] <KB1JWQ> IdleOne: You need to be faster next time.
[18:30] <IdleOne> I turned off my Monitor while sleep for +o application
[18:31] <IdleOne> Not to toot my own horn but of all the people you could have mistakenly given +o to last night. You made a good pick :P
[18:38] <KB1JWQ> I fat fingered "idoru" with tab completion.
[18:38] <KB1JWQ> Worst case, I'm kline proof.  Are you? :-D
[18:38] <Myrtti> !ua
[19:21] <rww> ikonia: I agree he's trying to be an issue. I prefer this to the extended dialogs on his relationship problems, though, so unless he clearly crosses a line, I plan on leaving him be.
[19:37] <rww> topyli: Did y'all make any progress on finding us newbie ops someone to annoy^W^W^Wmentors?
[19:38] <Myrtti> I can always be annoyed.
[19:38] <Myrtti> I get great pleasure out of it.
[19:39] <rww> Oh, so /that/'s why you rejoined #ubuntu-offtopic.
[19:39] <Myrtti> yeah, masochism
[19:39]  * knome pokes Myrtti in the side
[19:40] <Myrtti> I also listen to William Shatner and poke toothpicks under my nails for fun
[19:41] <topyli> rww: yes we have new ops!
[19:41] <topyli> yes we have new mentors!
[19:45] <jussi> rww: you got topyli iirc
[19:45] <mneptok> we need new mentats.
[19:46] <jussi> mneptok: no, no new tats are needed in this world
[19:46] <topyli> jussi: yeah i just forgot to contact rww. fixed all that by pm 5 seconds ago .)
[19:46] <jussi> :D
[19:46] <topyli> add eyes as appropriate
[19:46] <topyli> (to the smiley)
[19:46]  * Myrtti pokes herself in the eye
[19:47] <rww> ubottu is the kwisatz haderach
[19:47] <jussi> topyli: good thing rww knows how to ask in here in anycase :D
[19:47]  * Myrtti sneaks an extra eye from topyli
[19:47] <topyli> gaaaa blindness
[19:48] <jussi> lol... look, its topyli!! http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/bizarre&id=7823023
[19:52] <topyli> actually, that's bilal :)
[19:52] <jussi> haha
[19:53] <topyli> that's his last name though
[19:54] <IdleOne> I see no good coming from having a cam bolted to the back of your head
[19:54] <IdleOne> except maybe when playing paintball
[19:55] <IdleOne> nice to see that guy who shoots you in the back
[19:55] <topyli> it's always lemmy. he said so
[19:56] <topyli> actually i don't remember the lyrics, maybe he says it's somebody else who is "always gonna shoot you in the back", not him
[19:56] <topyli> i have to look this up
[19:58] <topyli> it's the rider wearing black. sounds like lemmy alright. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Shoot-You-In-The-Back-lyrics-Motorhead/9BEA0106976A127C48256C55000C3592
[19:59] <topyli> i wonder who did that transcription but it's quite terrible
[20:19] <rww> How long do bantracker session URLs stay valid for?
[20:22] <IdleOne> for ever! "4 eva?" for ever ever and ever
[20:23] <IdleOne> I remember seeing something about 45 days but who knows where and what it was about
[20:26] <Pici> rww: Looks like its a month
[20:26] <Pici> no.. wait.
[20:26] <Pici> rww: 3 months.
[20:27] <Pici> via: cur.execute("""DELETE FROM sessions WHERE time < %d""", int(time.time()) - 2592000 * 3)
[20:27] <rww> alrighty
[20:28]  * rww sets /alias btlogin echo http://ubottu.com/etc.
[20:38] <Myrtti> I'd feel more comfortable if it were considerably shorter time
[20:40] <rww> Pici: does issuing @btlogin give a new session URL and invalidate any old ones from that user?
[20:40] <Tm_T> IIRC yes
[20:41] <Myrtti> I'd still feel a whole lot more comfortable if the session were say, one month or ... 14 days
[20:41] <Tm_T> yup
[20:58] <tsimpson> Myrtti: how come?
[20:58] <tsimpson> (and HI!)
[21:00] <Myrtti> tsimpson: because it would be safer?
[21:00] <tsimpson> safer how though?
[21:00] <topyli> those urls are pretty hard to guess
[21:01] <Myrtti> I guess firesheep wouldn't catch it...
[21:01] <Myrtti> OH SNAP!
[21:01] <Myrtti> it would.
[21:01] <topyli> okay
[21:02] <tsimpson> it's a cookie, when you go to the BT with sess=... it sets the cookie to the content of sess
[21:02] <rww> ja, I'd be more concerned about it not using HTTPS, personally ;)
[21:03] <topyli> meh, how come we are on irc anyway, jabber is more secure
[21:03] <tsimpson> (it is a little more complex that I stated above, but...)
[21:03] <tsimpson> ah, but freenode has SSL now :)
[21:03] <topyli> oh yeah
[21:03] <Jordan_U> rww: It not using https is why firesheep works.
[21:03] <rww> but ubottu isn't using SSL ;)
[21:04] <topyli> nor me
[21:04] <topyli> i think
[21:04] <Myrtti> QED
[21:04] <tsimpson> well, it is and it isn't
[21:04] <Jordan_U> topyli: Nope.
[21:05] <topyli> well i know i'm using ssl to connect to my bouncer but i'm pretty sure the bouncer is not using ssl to connect to freenode
[21:05] <Pici> topyli: it isn't.
[21:05] <Pici> your /whois info would say.
[21:05] <topyli> i'm old school, leave me alone!
[21:06]  * Pici isn't on ssl either.
[21:06] <topyli> unless you want me to fix it
[21:08] <Myrtti> besides I don't understand why the session needs to be so long
[21:08] <Myrtti> I assume we're all on IRC when we need the bantracker, so renewing the session for using the BT shouldn't be too hard
[21:08] <tsimpson> it's supposed to be so people don't have to @btlogin all the time, but people tend to do it regardless
[21:09] <tsimpson> at least that's my guess, the BT session has always been 3 months
[21:09]  * Pici doesn't
[21:09] <Myrtti> if there is a sane explanation why it's so long, then I stand corrected, but surely it's not such a chore to just log in again
[21:10] <tsimpson> there is absolutely nothing sane about any part of the ubottu code :)
[21:10] <IdleOne> in that case can I dcc chat ubottu to have ban tracker access?
[21:11] <IdleOne> since we are being insane
[21:11] <topyli> i like going to the web interface using browser history
[21:11] <Pici> I rarely @btlogin, unless I'm on a new computer.
[21:11] <tsimpson> insane != masochistic
[21:11] <topyli> sam thing here
[21:11] <rww> I like my /alias :S
[21:11] <Pici> I also have bookmarks setup for different useful bantracker views.
[21:12] <Myrtti> right
[21:12] <Pici> Like for finding active bans set by myself.
[21:12] <Myrtti> Pici: but they'd work after you've authenticated anyway
[21:12] <topyli> they wouldn't
[21:12] <Pici> I'd have to click again.
[21:12] <Pici> but thats okay.
[21:13] <Myrtti> yes, you'd have to click again, after *that* they'd work again
[21:13] <Myrtti> nevermind
[21:13] <Myrtti> I'll just crawl into my paranoid little world and stop worrying about the bomb
[21:13] <topyli> nobody told me this! i'm dumb and i need to be told these things
[21:14] <tsimpson> I'm not saying 3 months is a good or bad number, just that that's what the number is and I have never bothered changing it
[21:14] <bazhang> I @btlogin every time
[21:14]  * Pici pats bazhang 
[21:14] <topyli> hähä
[21:15] <Myrtti> I don't have any ubuntu related bookmarks.
[21:15] <Myrtti> even less any related to... IRC...
[21:15] <Pici> :(
[21:16] <Myrtti> and I don't have a love relationship with ubottu so I don't have a query with her open all the time
[21:16] <topyli> i took a clue from Myrtti many moons ago and have very few bookmarks altogether. epiphany and chromium are pretty good at knowing where you're going anyway
[21:17] <Pici> Myrtti: I do :o
[21:17] <Myrtti> I've got only work-related or temporary bookmarks
[21:17] <Myrtti> everything that needs to stay permanently is in delicious
[21:17] <rww> I change browsers more often than I change jeans, so no bookmarks here :S
[23:01] <Flannel> Myrtti: I do too!  irssi even saves it for me.
[23:01] <Flannel> she's window 8!
[23:01] <knome> nah, windows from 2 to 10 are reserved for channels
[23:02] <knome> queries are in the "letters"
[23:02] <Flannel> knome: 8 is ubottu, 9 used to be chanserv, now it's alis.
[23:02] <knome> this is 9 :)
[23:02] <Flannel> 17!
[23:02] <knome> 17 would suit ubottu
[23:02] <knome> alt+u(bottu)
[23:03] <Tm_T> ubottu in window 57 (should move it back to the end of the row, 80+ ?)
[23:04] <knome> wait...
[23:04] <knome> i didn't fire up spotify
[23:04] <knome> what happened?
[23:04] <knome> just asked me for pass
[23:10] <topyli> it wants you to play some motörhead
[23:11] <knome> not really:)
[23:11] <topyli> probably 'we are the road crew'
[23:11] <Tm_T> !wtf > Wolfcastle
[23:12] <topyli> (actually motörhead is one of those you won't find there iirc)
[23:12] <knome> topyli, i'm actually listening to random songs from my own library, a track from athlete just started ;)
[23:13] <topyli> fair enough :)
[23:26] <bazhang> was that kill by idoru warranted?