[00:00] <ScottK> Just to pick one trivial example, debdonf doesn't currently support 2.7.
[00:00] <ScottK> That one would be nice to fix before you change the default.
[00:01] <cjwatson> I can do that right now if you want
[00:01] <cjwatson> though there's a bit of an issue that it fails to build due to a missing MIR
[00:01] <ScottK> Sure, but it's just an example of how it's not nearly time to switch.
[00:01] <cjwatson> if somebody would like to respond to bug 681000 ...
[00:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 681000 in qt4-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] qt4-perl (affects: 1) (heat: 505)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681000
[00:03] <ScottK> I've got other work I'd planned for tonight than arguing for at least a rudimentary level of preparation before switching Python defaults.
[00:06] <cjwatson> I really don't mind, I just want to get moving.  Can we enable 2.7 support tomorrow and aim for switching the default in time for Alpha 2?
[00:06] <doko> I'm open for suggestions to delay such a switch for a fixed amount of time if I know that people do work on solutions.  But in the current state of development I do accept a certain breakage which can be fixed within days
[00:06] <ScottK> 2.7 support is already enabled.
[00:07] <doko> I'll upload ~350 rebuilds within the next hour
[00:07] <cjwatson> doko: skaet asked to wait for tomorrow
[00:07] <cjwatson> you agreed, I thought
[00:07] <doko> ahh, ok
[00:07] <cjwatson> er, by tomorrow I mean after the release meeting
[00:09] <doko> cjwatson: that was with 2.7 as the default, not just adding rebuilds to get support for 2.7. this won't break anything. either the builds succeeds, or not
[00:11] <ScottK> cjwatson: I agree that rebuilding with 2.6 default and 2.7 support is safe and sane.
[00:12] <ScottK> support/supported
[00:13] <cjwatson> doko: no cases where installability might temporarily suffer due to multi-binary packages with Architecture: all and any combined?
[00:14] <cjwatson> the reason skaet was asking for a bit of a delay was that some images unexpectedly slipped from alpha-1 and she was contemplating the possibility of releasing them late
[00:14] <cjwatson> speaking of which, having another go at building ubuntu-netbook/armel now ...
[00:14] <doko> cjwatson: afaik, no. pending build failures on some architectures introduced by the toolchain
[00:15] <doko> ok, I'll wait on this one
[00:16] <cjwatson> we can probably cope with rebuilds that more-or-less-provably won't cause CD build failures
[00:17] <doko> the thing is that CD sizes will increase, and I cannot tell easily which universe package may succeed to build without having the main rebuilds in the archive
[00:19] <cjwatson> we're already oversized and not caring about it for alpha-1
[00:20] <doko> I'll just fire up a handful of builds which are known to be built first, I'll delay anything else for later
[01:05] <barry> sorry, i was at dinner.  "doing the archive test rebuild with python 2.7 as default" (and getting the results of that before switching to 2.7 as default permanently) was what i meant by "do it"
[01:25] <skaet_> just back from dinner as well.   Thanks cjwatson.  doko would like to see if we can get an armel  image, before things go into high churn mode.
[01:26]  * skaet_ just missed doko it appears.
[01:37] <skaet_> bjf, I think I've synched the links up with the master schedule now.  Please let me know if you find others,  I'm collecting a list ;)
[01:51] <bjf> skaet_, cool, have a good night
[01:51] <skaet_> thanks bjf,  you too
[10:04] <cjwatson> ogra,GrueMaster: does http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20101203/ work?
[10:04] <cjwatson> I built that last night just before going to bed
[10:51] <rsalveti> it should, but I'm downloading it to test
[10:53] <cjwatson> if it does, we can potentially release it and you can have an alpha-1 after all
[10:56] <rsalveti> cool, just writing it at the sd card and will report it back in some minutes
[11:29] <rsalveti> cjwatson: installed fine here, and I'm now at the efl interface
[11:29] <rsalveti> working nicely
[11:29] <rsalveti> ogra: the audio worked fine, but just after the second reboot (the first boot, after finishing the installer didn't recognize the sound card)
[11:30] <rsalveti> cjwatson: but I believe we can release it as a-1
[11:43] <ScottK> ara: Do you take care of updating ISO test procedures for iso.qa.ubuntu.com?
[13:14] <pitti> are we going to have a release meeting today?
[14:49] <skaet_> pitti,  yes
[14:52] <skaet_> There's an agenda up, but probably more important at this stage is to get some understanding of how python2.7 transition is going to happen, and make sure everyone has chance to comment.
[14:54] <pitti> skaet_: *nod*
[15:29] <cjwatson> skaet_: OK, sounds like we can release that new netbook armel image for alpha-1, if you're OK with that.  It looks like I forgot to put it on the tracker - I've done that now so that publish-image-set can see it
[15:29] <cjwatson> skaet_: want me to just push it out now?
[15:29] <ogra_ac> oh, that would be cool
[15:29] <ogra_ac> it looks very good
[15:36] <skaet_> ogra_ac,  great.
[15:36] <skaet_> cjwatson, go ahead and push it
[15:36] <skaet_> I'll go in and update the technical overview so it has reference to it again.
[15:37] <skaet_> ogra_ac, any overview information and things to watch out for that should be added?
[15:39] <cjwatson> mkdir: cannot create directory `/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-netbook/releases/natty/alpha-1': No space left on device
[15:39] <cjwatson> oh FFS
[15:39] <ogra_ac> nothing, it seems to behave identical to the maverick release (even better in some areas)
[15:39] <ogra_ac> i havent seen any issues yet
[15:39]  * cjwatson nukes the www.prev backup tree
[15:39]  * ScottK makes a note of that acronym for future use.
[15:40] <ogra_ac> you mean "FFS (full free software)" ?
[15:40] <ogra_ac> :)
[15:40]  * skaet_ needs to figure out that acronym...  
[15:40] <pitti> skaet_: for f***'s sake
[15:41] <skaet_> pitti, lol.   thanks!
[15:41] <pitti> skaet_: I know, not exactly the classical British understatement :)
[15:42] <cjwatson> that's OK, I'm not British ;-)
[15:42] <cjwatson> (well, I am.  kind of.  but.)
[15:42] <cjwatson> ok, I've pushed that image out now
[15:43] <rsalveti> awesome, thanks a lot :-)
[15:43] <cjwatson> is there any reason to consider the archive still semi-closed at this point?
[15:43] <cjwatson> (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/releases/natty/alpha-1/, when it's finished mirroring)
[15:43] <pitti> cjwatson: oh, do we?
[15:44] <cjwatson> well, I was avoiding syncs and the like in case we needed to respin late images.  but I think that's pretty unlikely at this point, right?
[15:44] <pitti> I saw the "released" and threw a lot of rebuilds against the archive (mostly for space reduction, but also some bug fixes)
[15:44] <ScottK> cjwatson: It would, however, to be nice to avoid the now almost traditional post-milestone that breaks the archive just as most everyone who could do something about it vanishes for the weekend.
[15:44] <cjwatson> yeah, keeping the archive semi-closed is more or less impossible :)
[15:44] <pitti> and #u-devel topic said "open", so sorry if that was premature
[15:44] <ScottK> post-milestone upload ...
[15:46] <cjwatson> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html is looking basically no worse than just before the alpha
[15:49] <GrueMaster> cjwatson: I am just now waking up, and I have a meeting downtown in an hour, so I won't be able to do any testing on the image until later today.
[15:49] <cjwatson> GrueMaster: rsalveti has run it through and declared it OK, so I released it
[15:49] <cjwatson> (on top of the ad-hoc testing from yesterday)
[18:45] <apw> skaet_, i assume the milestone freeze came off today ?
[18:46] <ScottK> It did
[18:49] <apw> ScottK, thanks