[00:00] Just to pick one trivial example, debdonf doesn't currently support 2.7. [00:00] That one would be nice to fix before you change the default. [00:01] I can do that right now if you want [00:01] though there's a bit of an issue that it fails to build due to a missing MIR [00:01] Sure, but it's just an example of how it's not nearly time to switch. [00:01] if somebody would like to respond to bug 681000 ... [00:01] Launchpad bug 681000 in qt4-perl (Ubuntu) "[MIR] qt4-perl (affects: 1) (heat: 505)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/681000 [00:03] I've got other work I'd planned for tonight than arguing for at least a rudimentary level of preparation before switching Python defaults. [00:06] I really don't mind, I just want to get moving. Can we enable 2.7 support tomorrow and aim for switching the default in time for Alpha 2? [00:06] I'm open for suggestions to delay such a switch for a fixed amount of time if I know that people do work on solutions. But in the current state of development I do accept a certain breakage which can be fixed within days [00:06] 2.7 support is already enabled. [00:07] I'll upload ~350 rebuilds within the next hour [00:07] doko: skaet asked to wait for tomorrow [00:07] you agreed, I thought [00:07] ahh, ok [00:07] er, by tomorrow I mean after the release meeting [00:09] cjwatson: that was with 2.7 as the default, not just adding rebuilds to get support for 2.7. this won't break anything. either the builds succeeds, or not [00:11] cjwatson: I agree that rebuilding with 2.6 default and 2.7 support is safe and sane. [00:12] support/supported [00:13] doko: no cases where installability might temporarily suffer due to multi-binary packages with Architecture: all and any combined? [00:14] the reason skaet was asking for a bit of a delay was that some images unexpectedly slipped from alpha-1 and she was contemplating the possibility of releasing them late [00:14] speaking of which, having another go at building ubuntu-netbook/armel now ... [00:14] cjwatson: afaik, no. pending build failures on some architectures introduced by the toolchain [00:15] ok, I'll wait on this one [00:16] we can probably cope with rebuilds that more-or-less-provably won't cause CD build failures [00:17] the thing is that CD sizes will increase, and I cannot tell easily which universe package may succeed to build without having the main rebuilds in the archive [00:19] we're already oversized and not caring about it for alpha-1 [00:20] I'll just fire up a handful of builds which are known to be built first, I'll delay anything else for later === jjohansen is now known as jj-afk [01:05] sorry, i was at dinner. "doing the archive test rebuild with python 2.7 as default" (and getting the results of that before switching to 2.7 as default permanently) was what i meant by "do it" [01:25] just back from dinner as well. Thanks cjwatson. doko would like to see if we can get an armel image, before things go into high churn mode. [01:26] * skaet_ just missed doko it appears. [01:37] bjf, I think I've synched the links up with the master schedule now. Please let me know if you find others, I'm collecting a list ;) [01:51] skaet_, cool, have a good night [01:51] thanks bjf, you too === smb` is now known as smb [10:04] ogra,GrueMaster: does http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/daily-preinstalled/20101203/ work? [10:04] I built that last night just before going to bed [10:51] it should, but I'm downloading it to test [10:53] if it does, we can potentially release it and you can have an alpha-1 after all [10:56] cool, just writing it at the sd card and will report it back in some minutes [11:29] cjwatson: installed fine here, and I'm now at the efl interface [11:29] working nicely [11:29] ogra: the audio worked fine, but just after the second reboot (the first boot, after finishing the installer didn't recognize the sound card) [11:30] cjwatson: but I believe we can release it as a-1 [11:43] ara: Do you take care of updating ISO test procedures for iso.qa.ubuntu.com? === doko_ is now known as doko [13:14] are we going to have a release meeting today? [14:49] pitti, yes [14:52] There's an agenda up, but probably more important at this stage is to get some understanding of how python2.7 transition is going to happen, and make sure everyone has chance to comment. [14:54] skaet_: *nod* [15:29] skaet_: OK, sounds like we can release that new netbook armel image for alpha-1, if you're OK with that. It looks like I forgot to put it on the tracker - I've done that now so that publish-image-set can see it [15:29] skaet_: want me to just push it out now? [15:29] oh, that would be cool [15:29] it looks very good [15:36] ogra_ac, great. [15:36] cjwatson, go ahead and push it [15:36] I'll go in and update the technical overview so it has reference to it again. [15:37] ogra_ac, any overview information and things to watch out for that should be added? [15:39] mkdir: cannot create directory `/srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full/ubuntu-netbook/releases/natty/alpha-1': No space left on device [15:39] oh FFS [15:39] nothing, it seems to behave identical to the maverick release (even better in some areas) [15:39] i havent seen any issues yet [15:39] * cjwatson nukes the www.prev backup tree [15:39] * ScottK makes a note of that acronym for future use. [15:40] you mean "FFS (full free software)" ? [15:40] :) [15:40] * skaet_ needs to figure out that acronym... [15:40] skaet_: for f***'s sake [15:41] pitti, lol. thanks! [15:41] skaet_: I know, not exactly the classical British understatement :) [15:42] that's OK, I'm not British ;-) [15:42] (well, I am. kind of. but.) [15:42] ok, I've pushed that image out now [15:43] awesome, thanks a lot :-) [15:43] is there any reason to consider the archive still semi-closed at this point? [15:43] (http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/releases/natty/alpha-1/, when it's finished mirroring) [15:43] cjwatson: oh, do we? [15:44] well, I was avoiding syncs and the like in case we needed to respin late images. but I think that's pretty unlikely at this point, right? [15:44] I saw the "released" and threw a lot of rebuilds against the archive (mostly for space reduction, but also some bug fixes) [15:44] cjwatson: It would, however, to be nice to avoid the now almost traditional post-milestone that breaks the archive just as most everyone who could do something about it vanishes for the weekend. [15:44] yeah, keeping the archive semi-closed is more or less impossible :) [15:44] and #u-devel topic said "open", so sorry if that was premature [15:44] post-milestone upload ... [15:46] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/natty_probs.html is looking basically no worse than just before the alpha [15:49] cjwatson: I am just now waking up, and I have a meeting downtown in an hour, so I won't be able to do any testing on the image until later today. [15:49] GrueMaster: rsalveti has run it through and declared it OK, so I released it [15:49] (on top of the ad-hoc testing from yesterday) [18:45] skaet_, i assume the milestone freeze came off today ? [18:46] It did [18:49] ScottK, thanks === bjf is now known as bjf[afk]