[03:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu 11.04 Alpha 1 Released: Time To Test! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/03/ubuntu-11-04-alpha-released-time-to-test/
[06:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Scott James Remnant] Event matching in Upstart - http://www.netsplit.com/2010/12/03/event-matching-in-upstart/
[06:44] <screen-x> morning all :)
[06:56] <screen-x> https://lists.uknof.org.uk/pipermail/uknof/2010-December/000760.html
[06:56] <screen-x> the ipv4 end is neigh
[06:56] <screen-x> nigh even
[07:01] <screen-x> bye lubotu3
[07:46] <czajkowski> aloha
[07:48] <screen-x> morning czajkowski :)
[07:52] <MooDoo> morning all
[07:53] <screen-x> MOOoo
[07:54] <MooDoo> :D
[07:54] <screen-x> \o/ Friday
[07:54] <MooDoo> FTW!
[07:58] <DaisyTheCow> Morning all
[08:00] <MooDoo> DaisyTheCow, good morning
[08:04] <MooDoo> got into my car this morning to a -10 on the dashboard temp, thought it was a tag cold.
[08:11] <MooDoo> ooooo irc membership.......
[08:12] <screen-x> (2010-12-02 16:25:27) screen-x: mmm ubuntu irc-members, I guess you need more of a contribution than "makes sarcastic comments in #ubuntu-uk"
[08:12] <MooDoo> screen-x, rats ;)
[08:13] <screen-x> well it counts me out anyway :p
[08:13] <MooDoo> screen-x, well yeah me too, but it's something to work for......
[08:13] <MooDoo> coffee and donut anyone......ah bum, that won't help either...
[08:13] <screen-x> have to be a catalyst..
[08:13] <MooDoo> screen-x, couldn't we all just snog popey ?
[08:14] <screen-x> soo, MooDoo, how can I help you to support the ubuntu users of the uk?
[08:14]  * screen-x is not up for snogging popey or ipopey
[08:14] <MooDoo> screen-x, well i have this boil :)
[08:15] <screen-x> in other news... piwik is awesome
[08:15] <MooDoo> screen-x, do this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/100UsersProject then support the users in this channel :D
[08:15] <screen-x> and it has mobile apps to go with it :)
[08:17] <screen-x> Hmm, I have introduced people to ubuntu, but not many have been up for switching.
[08:18] <MooDoo> screen-x, yeah same here, i managed to switch one when they were sick of getting viruss all the time
[08:19] <MooDoo> screen-x, they are amazed that i can fix their machine remotely via ssh :D
[08:19] <screen-x> :)
[08:20] <MooDoo> screen-x, i also installed unity the other day to see what it's like and get used to it before natty
[08:23] <screen-x> I'll have to check my 3d hardware is up to that..
[08:23] <screen-x> do you happen to know if the intel integrated graphics in the i3/i5 cpus+chipsets will be up to that?
[08:24] <MooDoo> i'm not sure......
[08:25] <screen-x> I don't know either, but I need to order some workstations for work, and if unity is going take over, I need to make sure they can run it.
[08:26] <screen-x> The workstations here currently have nasty s3 graphics chipsets that don't can't run compiz, but that's not a problem in 8.04 as we just use metacity.
[08:26] <AlanBell> I don't think unity will be any more stressful than compiz for the graphics hardware
[08:27] <Phineas> damn it i can't find my old mp3 player, just as i found 2 had drives to put in it
[08:27] <screen-x> AlanBell: good to hear :)
[08:27] <AlanBell> and it runs on the graphics chipset that goes with the Atom, the i3 will have no trouble at all with it
[08:28] <Phineas> anyone know where my old mp3 player is i can't find it
[08:29] <AlanBell> it is down the back of the sofa
[08:29] <AlanBell> and certainly isn't on IRC
[08:29] <nperry> morning o/
[08:30] <ali1234> the gma 950 is about the same as a geforce 6
[08:30] <ali1234> newer intel graphics are better than that
[08:30] <ali1234> so they are fine for compiz
[08:30] <directhex> the gma950 isn't remotely as good as geforce 6
[08:30] <directhex> maybe 6200
[08:31] <ali1234> 6200 is geforce 6
[08:31] <ali1234> not only that but it is more than enough for compiz
[08:31] <Phineas> AlanBell,  well its not there :(
[08:32] <Phineas> nperry,  oh there you are perry
[08:32] <directhex> saying "6200 is geforce 6" is like saying "the aston martin cygnet is an aston martin"
[08:32] <ali1234> what, you mean totally correct?
[08:33] <Phineas> i prefer nvidea
[08:34] <directhex> pretty much any card with NPOT is good enough for compiz, since you're talking about a dozen polygons
[08:34] <directhex> the SNES would do that many
[08:34] <ali1234> you need render to texture extension too
[08:34] <ali1234> and decent fill rate
[08:34] <Phineas> directhex,  are you saying the SNES can run compiz?
[08:35] <directhex> Phineas: well, probably not. SuperFX didn't do texturing... but you get my point
[08:35] <ali1234> is your point that you didn't have coffe yet and just arguing for the sake of it?
[08:35] <directhex> the only reason older cards don't do compiz isn't the lack of power, it's the lack of some simple gl extensions
[08:36] <Phineas> are SNK still in business?
[08:37] <nperry> Phineas: Indeed :)
[08:37] <directhex> Phineas: they were bought & sold... so yes-ish
[08:38] <directhex> and SNK platforms don't do 3d, they're just *amazing* at 2d fillrate & scaling
[08:38] <directhex> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNK_Playmore#Rebirth
[08:38] <Phineas> directhex,  so the games for it that say 3D are just not 3D
[08:39] <directhex> running on MVS? yep.
[08:41] <nperry> exit
[08:41] <ali1234> console games have always been full of misinformation when it comes to "3d"
[08:42] <ali1234> i'm pretty sure donkey kong country was sold as a 3d game
[08:42] <MooDoo> nperry, stage left?
[08:42] <directhex> it was one of the first games to use 2d sprites rendered from 3d models, rather than hand-drawn
[08:42] <directhex> the lies about the atari jaguar were more blatant
[08:43] <ali1234> then there's killer instinct on n64, which was just 2d sprites over the most simple 3d background ever
[08:43] <czajkowski> hmm not sure  I can make it to work today, and if I do, there is no guarantee I can get home
[08:43] <czajkowski> :s
[08:44] <MooDoo> czajkowski, would they mind you working from home?
[08:44] <directhex> ali1234: i didn't think the original KI had anything resembling 3d... paralax, sure, but everything used paralax.
[08:44] <ali1234> the original didn't, then they released the n64 version and they were like "now with 3d graphics!!!"
[08:44] <ali1234> but it was just some lame backgrounds
[08:46] <czajkowski> MooDoo: Nope had I my work laptop, I did mail home some things as I had said I'd come in later when the trains warm up
[08:46] <czajkowski> but yesterday afternoon there were no trains to Woking for 4 hours
[08:46] <czajkowski> :s
[08:46] <MooDoo> czajkowski, i wouldn't risk it to be honest.....stay at home with coffee, work and us :)
[08:47] <czajkowski> heh
[08:48] <MooDoo> czajkowski, you miss my prods :)  oh yeah prod prod
[08:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> Morning earthlings
[08:50] <bigcalm> Good morning early morning zombies :)
[08:50] <dwatkins> Good morning folks, I hope people aren't too affected by the snow.
[08:51] <Phineas> the ps2 has good graphics on some games, even the Gamecube has good graphics on one game
[08:51] <dwatkins> Which game has good graphics on the gamecube, Phineas?
[08:51] <MooDoo> if you're my friend on facebook, i've just uploaded a photo of my car temp -10 at 7:20 this morning
[08:51] <dwatkins> MooDoo: it's -14 here in Edinburgh ;-)
[08:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Had a lie in this morning. Kids off school again.
[08:52] <Phineas> dwatkins,  The Urbz and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle
[08:52] <MooDoo> dwatkins, pah looks like i'm having a hea wave then :D
[08:52] <Phineas> MooDoo,  a hea wave?
[08:52] <MooDoo> Phineas, heat
[08:52] <daubers> Morning
[08:53] <directhex> ali1234: KI gold, yes.
[08:53] <Phineas> daubers,  morning to you too
[08:53] <directhex> Phineas: the gamecube was MUCH more powerful than the ps2, entirely capable of good graphics. look at it this way, resident evil 4 on ps2 used gamecube-rendered video files for cut scenes that were engine-based on the cube. ps2 couldn't render them itself
[08:54] <MartijnVdS> Too bad they haven't kept up.. Wii can't handle HD graphics
[08:55] <directhex> doesn't need to. people buyint the wii only play wii sports anyway
[08:55] <dwatkins> The Wii isn't meant to handle good graphics, though, it's meant to be cheap and have motion sensors, I thought.
[08:56] <DaisyTheCow> Horses for courses as they say.  The Wii does what it's meant to do very well
[08:59] <bigcalm> http://twitpic.com/3cf4yr
[08:59] <MooDoo> bigcalm, rats you've beat me as well
[08:59] <bigcalm> Hehe
[09:00] <MooDoo> get it on the ubuntu-uk planet for a new meme ;)
[09:01] <bigcalm> ?
[09:01] <DanielRM> An HD Wii would certainly be nice but that would be ignoring the point, which is surely the innovation.
[09:01] <Phineas> directhex,  is the dreamcast better than the gamecube
[09:01] <directhex> Phineas: not in terms of hardware... but it's pretty awesome anyway
[09:02] <DanielRM> More powerful consoles might take you down the same road faster, but with motion control and touch interfaces and so on the DS and Wii would take you down different roads entirely, to paraphrase one of my favourite quotes.
[09:03] <Phineas> directhex,  is the neo-geo pocket colour a good console?
[09:03] <directhex> i was never a huge fan of NGPC
[09:03] <MooDoo> bigcalm, i was just thinking of another meme for the planet, we've not had one for ages, whos got the coldest car lol
[09:03] <directhex> not to say it's bad, but most SNK properties do badly on that screen
[09:03] <bigcalm> I see
[09:03] <bigcalm> I don't subscribe to the planet
[09:04] <Phineas> directhex,  the down side is that the neo - geo pocket colur didn't have a backlight
[09:05] <DaisyTheCow> Speaking of backlights, do you guys think that the new Kindle will be any good?
[09:05] <DanielRM> I'm being kindly informed by LiveJournal that my own birthday is coming up.
[09:06] <DanielRM> Somehow, I think I didn't need a reminder for that.
[09:06] <Phineas> DanielRM, so is mine
[09:06] <daubers> DanielRM: Depends if you've contracted altzeimers recently
[09:06] <DanielRM> Phineas: woo, we're almost the birthday boys! *high five*
[09:06] <DanielRM> daubers: true, or if you're old enough that you'd rather forget, I suppose.
[09:07]  * Phineas give DanielRM a hight five
[09:07] <DanielRM> Um.
[09:07] <DanielRM> Actually I fail somewhat.
[09:07] <DanielRM> It would appear that I did need a reminder. I thought it was four or five days away.
[09:07] <DanielRM> It's tomorrow. :-/
[09:08] <daubers> quickly doesn't half pull in a lot of dependancies these days
[09:08] <DanielRM> daubers: tell me, do you have any advice regarding Alzheimer's, as it would appear I need help?...
[09:09] <Phineas> DanielRM,  i've got 2 weeks yet
[09:09] <DanielRM> daubers: what's quickly?
[09:09] <daubers> DanielRM: I did but I forgot...
[09:09] <DanielRM> Tch. Fat lot of good you are. :)
[09:10] <DanielRM> Phineas: two weeks today or just roughly?
[09:10] <Phineas> DanielRM, roughly
[09:10] <daubers> DanielRM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly
[09:11] <DanielRM> daubers: I found that, but I think I've gone too much without sleep to understand it.
[09:12] <daubers> DanielRM: It's a templating system (essentially) for starting new programming projects
[09:12] <DanielRM> With heavy integration into the Ubuntu platform from what I read?
[09:12] <daubers> Probably
[09:12] <DanielRM> Hehe.
[09:13] <DanielRM> I need to write 500 more words on this essay to hand in for 4. That would be doable if my brain hadn't curled up in the foetal position and started crying to itself hours ago.
[09:13] <directhex> yeah, in *python*. yuck!
[09:14] <DanielRM> I'm now quite frankly sick to death of writing about Hitler's decision to invade the Soviet Union.
[09:14] <Phineas> yester day i was:    http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3600000/Phineas-phineas-and-ferb-3677056-500-588.jpg
[09:14] <DanielRM> And I feel like I've somehow Godwinned my own life. :(
[09:15] <DanielRM> On the plus side, reading through German Foreign Office telegrams is actually quite interesting.
[09:16]  * daubers burns natty alpha 1 to CD
[09:16]  * czajkowski hugs Ng THANK YOU!!!
[09:16] <DanielRM> Is the alpha running Unity yet?
[09:17] <daubers> Hmmm.... need a bigger CD
[09:17] <DanielRM> Heh.
[09:17] <MooDoo> DanielRM, yes, but things like the ubuntu logo thing, aren't there
[09:18] <Phineas> DanielRM,  i think the beta  utility is running
[09:19] <MooDoo> DanielRM, from jono - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/30/testing-natty-and-unity-safely-with-a-usb-stick/
[09:19] <DanielRM> Ah, OK. Does the interface actually seem suited for the desktop? I've never used Unity, although most UI innovation is welcome with me.
[09:19] <AlanBell> I have been using it since UDS
[09:19] <AlanBell> it kind of sucks a bit with multiple monitors
[09:19] <DanielRM> MooDoo: testing it safely? Pah! I'll be running it full-time once I get round to backing up my data. :)
[09:19] <MooDoo> i actually quite like it
[09:20] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:20] <bigcalm> AlanBell: how have you not taken your own life yet?
[09:20] <AlanBell> global menu isn't much fun
[09:20] <DanielRM> My Maverick install still has a few issues as a hangover from development actually. :-/
[09:20] <AlanBell> can't double click the toolbar of a maximised window to restore it
[09:20] <Phineas> i just made a joke with DanielRM and no one notaced
[09:21] <Ng> czajkowski: yw :)
[09:21] <AlanBell> windows on monitor 2 have menu on window 1
[09:21] <DanielRM> Phineas: I didn't get it I'm afraid. :S
[09:21] <gord> oh good, flash is going to stop sucking soon \o/
[09:21] <AlanBell> some apps display their own menu which means you end up with two menus next to each other
[09:21] <DanielRM> gord: getting your hopes up a bit surely?
[09:22] <gord> its using vdpau now
[09:22] <AlanBell> Phineas: try making a funnier joke next time
[09:22] <DanielRM> Hmmm, might actually work then.
[09:22] <Phineas> DanielRM,  you said "is the alpha utility running yet" and i said "i think the beta utility is running"  get it now?
[09:22] <Phineas> AlanBell,  you you got the joke?
[09:23] <dutchie> i think that joke only works if you pronounce "beta" wrong
[09:23] <AlanBell> such as it was
[09:23] <DanielRM> Phineas: if it involves a pronunciation pun such as dutchie suggests then I get it.
[09:25] <Phineas> dutchie,  yes you do have to prounounce "beta" wrong.
[09:25] <Phineas> DanielRM,  yeah it was
[09:26] <DanielRM> Phineas: sad to say, but I don't think I'd give up my day job if I were you. :(
[09:26] <DanielRM> Not that my jokes are any better, but still.
[09:26] <Phineas> DanielRM,  well i try to be funny
[09:28] <DanielRM> I like the one about the Vatican City being the only place in the world with two Popes per square kilometre.
[09:28] <DanielRM> The popey household probably has more though.
[09:28] <popey> More so at Xmas
[09:29] <DanielRM> Morning popey
[09:29] <DanielRM> How are you this cold morning?
[09:30] <popey> Lo
[09:30] <popey> made it into work
[09:30] <popey> so warm now :)
[09:30] <MooDoo> morning popey
[09:30] <DanielRM> I'm not sure if I can afford to put the gas on. I'm now jealous of anyone who's warm.
[09:31] <Phineas> popey,  very warm outside here
[09:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jamie Bennett] Linaro 11.05 Alpha-1 Released - http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/12/linaro-11-05-alpha-1-released/
[09:31] <DanielRM> All you warm people: I hope you get snowballs put down the back of your shirts. It'll serve you right.
[09:32] <Phineas> DanielRM,  no snow here so no snowballs just waves to surf
[09:33] <DanielRM> Phineas: you're not making the bitterness go away, just so you know. :(
[09:34] <gord> DanielRM, start building Qt, i'm sure you'll warm up once your cpu catches fire
[09:35] <DanielRM> gord: I could do that by playing Starcraft II, something which I'd find infinitely more entertaining and worthwhile.
[09:35] <DanielRM> I'm not a fan of Qt.
[09:36] <gord> what is wrong with Qt? o_O
[09:36] <DanielRM> I tend not to like the feel of the applications. Something always seems wrong, used as I am to GTK.
[09:37] <Phineas> yes i can save up for a new game console
[09:38] <DanielRM> Phineas: 3DS!
[09:39] <Phineas> DanielRM,  nope, heres a hint you said your not a fan of it
[09:40] <Phineas> DanielRM,  any idea wat it is?
[09:41] <DanielRM> Most consoles other than Nintendo ones fit that bill.
[09:41] <czajkowski> MooDoo: whoo working from home :)
[09:42] <DanielRM> I'm waffling so much in this essay.
[09:42] <DanielRM> 'Ultimately, though, there exists little evidence to suggest definitively in any particular direction the point at which the decision was firmly made to go to war with the Soviet Union, and indeed'
[09:42] <MooDoo> czajkowski, yay, awesome :) get the kettle on :D
[09:43] <popey> care--
[09:44] <DanielRM> Sympathetic popey is, well, not in the IRC channel today. :(
[09:44] <Phineas> DanielRM,  heres clue 2: its made by SNK,
[09:44] <DanielRM> NGPC? I don't think I gave an opinion on that. :-/
[09:44] <popey> DanielRM: i hate football, don't give a toss if the world cup is in another country
[09:44] <MooDoo> +1 popey
[09:44] <Phineas> DanielRM,  yeah thats the one
[09:45] <bigcalm> Direct Line sent me a text message this morning, telling me not to go driving anywhere soon
[09:45] <DanielRM> Hehe.
[09:45] <DanielRM> Phineas: I've not had an experience of SNK consoles so I don't have an opinion either way to be honest.
[09:46] <DanielRM> popey: I do believe there would need to be a name change though.
[09:46] <popey> I gave my SNK Neo Geo 6-slot to London Hack Space
[09:46] <directhex> :O
[09:46] <directhex> get me to london, stat!
[09:46] <directhex> and someone fire popey!
[09:46] <popey> :)
[09:46] <MooDoo> roll on 2015 when the rugby world cup is in Englad :D
[09:46] <popey> also gave them a cabinet
[09:46] <directhex> ;'(
[09:46] <popey> i kept all my JAMMA games tho
[09:47] <MooDoo> czajkowski, should be interesting :D now you're in the UK :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_World_Cup
[09:47] <DanielRM> We gave the world so many sports and how do they repay us? By thrashing us at every one.
[09:48] <czajkowski> I may be gone by then who knos
[09:48] <popey> DanielRM: que? rename what?
[09:48] <DanielRM> Not that I particularly mind.
[09:48] <MooDoo> czajkowski, how can i buy you rugby beer if you're not in the country.......*sulks* ;)
[09:49] <DanielRM> popey: I assumed you were making a joke about the war with the Soviet Union. I think the Soviet Union as such doesn't really exist nowadays, so just 'Russia' tends to do.
[09:49] <popey> I was not.
[09:49] <Phineas> how come laptops always sound tiny when you play music through them?
[09:49] <DanielRM> popey: then why mention football?
[09:49] <popey> because they have crap speakers
[09:49] <gord> because there isn't enough space for proper speakers
[09:49] <popey> DanielRM: why not?
[09:50] <MooDoo> what they said
[09:50] <gord> apple ones aren't too bad though for speakers
[09:50] <DanielRM> popey: fair enough.
[09:50] <popey> Indeed
[09:50] <popey> the speakers on my MBP are better than any other laptop I've owned
[09:50] <DanielRM> Quite.
[09:51] <popey> including the dell XPS which allegedly had a subwoofer
[09:51] <popey> (which was a lie)
[09:51] <DanielRM> Apple seem to have superb audio hardware in general in my experience.
[09:51] <popey> uhm, nah
[09:51] <popey> ipod headphones are the worst
[09:51] <DanielRM> :-/
[09:51] <popey> the audio chips in ipods are cheap crap
[09:51] <Phineas> well both of my laptops sound tiny whatsoever
[09:51] <DanielRM> I've always found them quite good.
[09:51] <popey> o_O
[09:52] <popey> ipod headphones (the white ones) leak _badly_
[09:52] <DanielRM> Best headphones I ever used were ipod ones.
[09:52] <popey> you need new ears
[09:52] <popey> or better music
[09:52] <DanielRM> Although this may be saying more about how rubbish the other headphones were.
[09:52] <popey> or a wider selection of headphones to test
[09:52] <DanielRM> I've not had much experience outside of 99p ones from the supermarket.
[09:52] <popey> right, [SLAM] case closed
[09:53]  * DanielRM jumps at the loud noise.
[09:53] <popey> I currently have Zaag ones which are okay, but nothing great
[09:53] <DanielRM> I probably do need new ears anyway.
[09:53] <MooDoo> popey, you in a mood this morning?
[09:53] <Phineas> popey,  well i do have music that sounds good on headphones but tiny on loudspeaker (laptop by stone computers and laptop by toshiba)
[09:53] <popey> nope
[09:53] <popey> Phineas: I think you mean tinny?
[09:53] <DanielRM> My friend spent a fortune on Bose speakers once but I couldn't tell the difference from the speakers that came with the computer.
[09:53] <popey> Phineas: its due to the crap speakers
[09:55] <Phineas> popey,  alogh i only just notace how crap the speakers are when i removed the headphones (for the first time in 3 years) and kaboom huge diffrence
[09:56] <directhex> bose suck
[09:56] <directhex> they're a marketing company, their technology is flat-out wrong
[09:56] <DanielRM> Phineas: I assume you spent most of the past three years not being able to hear anything other than your computer?
[09:56]  * daubers makes some notes on a bug
[09:56]  * MooDoo makes a coffee and prods czajkowski 
[09:57] <Phineas> DanielRM,  nope i just only used headphones with my computer
[09:57] <DanielRM> directhex: I bow to your superior knowledge on this issue. As can probably be seen I'm an audiophile's worst nightmare.
[09:57] <popey> oh, I'm no audiophile
[09:57] <directhex> DanielRM: i'm not an audiophile... i just know you're meant to cover the human audible range, and not have a huge gap in the middle
[09:57]  * daubers loves his sennheiser headphones
[09:57] <gord> i setup some cheep 5.1 surround sound on my desktop last week, makes me very happy :)
[09:57] <DanielRM> I tend to lump in anyone who knows more than me about audio as an audiophile.
[09:57] <DanielRM> Which makes it a very broad category indeed.
[09:57] <gord> and makes minecraft a thousand times scarier
[09:58] <popey> i love my el-cheapo sennheiser hd212 headphones
[09:58] <DanielRM> There are bits of damp moss growing on the underside of drains which know more about audio than me.
[09:58] <MooDoo> I've got some hd415 headphones, they are ok :)
[09:58] <gord> i also love my el-cheepo sennheiser PC350 headphones
[09:58] <Phineas> 1 word for cheap headphones , poundland (or wallmart)
[10:00] <directhex> http://www.intellexual.net/faq/am15freqa.jpg
[10:00] <daubers> popey: Mine aree HD415 :)
[10:00] <daubers> Want some of the wireless ones, but not yet won the lottery
[10:01] <dwatkins> curse you, ebuyer, for advertising your wares to me....
[10:01] <Ng> daubers: don't get the sennheiser wireless headphones that use FM
[10:01] <Ng> they're awful
[10:01] <daubers> Ng: Noted
[10:01] <dwatkins> I have Sennheiser HD 201s, they're excellent, but wired.
[10:01] <Ng> heavy, poor quality sound and they fall off your head if you even think about looking up or down
[10:02] <Ng> I use them for when I'm doing tv/movie/ps3 stuff and my gf is snoozing on the sofa, but it's not a particularly pleasant aural experience :(
[10:02] <daubers> Ng: This was what I was thinking of http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_wireless-headphones_502873
[10:03] <Ng> daubers: those look better in almost every way than the analogue ones I have :)
[10:04] <daubers> Ng: £Too much though :(
[10:04]  * popey points and laughs at sennheiser for using Lotus Domino!
[10:05] <popey> home_en.nsf indeed
[10:05] <popey> *chortle*
[10:05] <dwatkins> daubers: how about using a phone as a playback device? AirSync seems to work well for synchronising, too.
[10:05] <daubers> dwatkins: You wah?
[10:05] <dwatkins> daubers: do you have a smartphone?
[10:06] <DanielRM> Are there any good phone speakers though?
[10:06] <dwatkins> I use my phone with headphones mostly, DanielRM
[10:06] <popey> the built in speaker on the iphone is surprisingly good
[10:06] <daubers> dwatkins: Yep, can't listen to the Wii or somesuch through it though
[10:06] <directhex> DanielRM: yeah, there's an htc WP7 phone designed for use as a speaker-based music player
[10:06] <DanielRM> dwatkins: ah.
[10:06] <dwatkins> ah I see, daubers
[10:06] <popey> better than the n82 or HTC hero I had before it
[10:06] <DanielRM> Argh.
[10:07] <dwatkins> popey: I have an iPhone too, been listening to lots of audio books on it recently. May switch to android again soon, though.
[10:07] <directhex> http://www.htc.com/www/product/7mozart/overview.html
[10:07] <DanielRM> I thought the essay was 500 words shorter than it actually was.
[10:07] <dwatkins> There may even be an app for Android that does sound via bluetooth or wifi
[10:07]  * daubers waits to see of unity works
[10:07] <popey> Hi fidelity.. what is this, 1970?
[10:07] <popey> get your quadrophonic speakers!
[10:08] <dwatkins> don't forget the 2 metre diameter audio cable...
[10:08] <daubers> ooooooh shiny
[10:09] <MooDoo> hi fidelity?  isn't that from fame ;)
[10:09] <daubers> Hmmm... no applications pane thingy at the moment then
[10:09] <directhex> popey: what was that about surround? http://www.htc.com/www/product/7surround/overview.html
[10:09] <popey> oh jeez
[10:10] <popey> my _car_ even has Dolby Pro-Logic!
[10:10] <daubers> popey: The volvo??
[10:10] <popey> yes
[10:10] <daubers> Blimey
[10:10] <daubers> Was that an option?
[10:11] <popey> I didn't buy it from new
[10:11] <popey> so I didn't specify it as such
[10:11] <screen-x> do sd cards have to have a physical lock switch?
[10:12] <daubers> Ah ok
[10:12] <MooDoo> screen-x, yes i do beleive they do,
[10:12] <daubers> screen-x: Mine do
[10:12] <directhex> yes
[10:12]  * daubers needs to dash to his parents and sell his car
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> .. and hide the bodies
[10:13] <daubers> Or just get them out of the boot....
[10:14] <screen-x> The lock is the only part of an sd card that has failed for me so far, I was hoping to be able buy one without..
[10:14] <screen-x> microsd cards don't have them..
[10:17] <screen-x> BOFH question: should I allocate more space to /home, or tell people to delete stuff?
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> yes
[10:22] <jpds> screen-x: What MartijnVdS said, yes.
[10:22] <screen-x> hmmm I thought that might be the answer.
[10:23] <screen-x> I have plenty of spare space, but the snapshots already take ages, and I'm not sure people _need_ more space..
[10:23] <andylockran> howdy
[10:24] <popey> howdy howdy howdy
[10:24] <screen-x> morning andylockran
[10:24] <andylockran> morning guys
[10:24] <andylockran> how's things?
[10:24] <andylockran> I gave my girlfriend a box with a little bit of water in it for Christmas.
[10:24] <andylockran> She said " What's this about "
[10:25] <andylockran> I said " Well it was snow:
[10:25] <andylockran> she said - " well it's the thaw-t that counts"
[10:25] <screen-x> ahhaha
[10:25] <popey> http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[10:26] <andylockran> I thought that was particularly good.
[10:27] <andylockran> more of a http://budumtsch.popey.com than a http://tumbleweed.popey.com/
[10:27] <andylockran> 404 - humour not found :)
[10:27] <bigcalm> Ha
[10:27] <popey> ok
[10:27] <popey> http://tarby.popey.com/ then
[10:27] <nperry> I love not making a coffee at work for about a week now.
[10:28] <popey> or http://joke.popey.com/
[10:28] <nperry> Every else seems to have the idea first
[10:28] <screen-x> nperry: I think that makes it your roudn
[10:28] <bigcalm> A new The Infinite Money Cage. Yay
[10:28] <popey> yay
[10:29] <screen-x> popey: why were you ipopey for a while yesterday?
[10:29] <popey> because I was connected from an apple device
[10:29] <screen-x> isn't that par for the course?
[10:29] <popey> isnt what?
[10:30] <screen-x> ignore me, so you are ipopey in colloquy.. that makes sense.
[10:30] <popey> ya
[10:31] <bigcalm> Doh, I actually listened to this ep. on an actual radio
[10:32] <nperry> Heh police checking out cctv for some reg plate theifs, car pulls up and two men get out with screwdrivers
[10:33] <nperry> How many pikeys does it take to unscrew a reg plate :(
[10:33] <andylockran> nperry: where at ?
[10:33] <nperry> My work :)
[10:33] <nperry> I'll upload the video when I get home
[10:41] <domjohnson> Has anyone here got an Intuos4 working under 10.10?
[10:42] <popey> no idea what that is!
[10:42] <domjohnson> Its a Wacom graphics tablet.
[10:44] <popey> i know doctormo was doing stuff with those
[10:44] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone here got a linky linky? Pretty Please? https://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/statuses/10643653328375808
[10:45] <popey> domjohnson: he may be around in #ubuntu-community-team
[10:45] <MooDoo> domjohnson, have you checked out the threads on the ubuntu forums - http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7093065&postcount=104
[10:45] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: what are you trying to do with the two?
[10:45] <andylockran> openldap aliases?
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yeah - I would like to build a new mail server for our business, postfix, dovecot and use ldap for the back-end.
[10:46] <domjohnson> MooDoo - I saw that, but didn't read it as its only for tablet PCs, but will have a read now
[10:46] <domjohnson> Thanks :)
[10:46] <TheOpenSourcerer> I have ldap installed and working with ssl/tls from here: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.10/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
[10:46] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: you contemplated using bongo?
[10:46] <andylockran> bongo-project.org
[10:47] <andylockran> I've got the postfix, openldap, horde, cyrus-imapd setup running on multiple boxes
[10:47] <domjohnson> I haven't bought one yet, just want to see if it does work OK
[10:49] <domjohnson> God, I hate this snow :(
[10:49] <nperry> Right my ears are finally warm up, thanks convector heater on my table
[10:49] <TheOpenSourcerer> andylockran: I had not come across that before. It looks a tad "raw" at the moment. And anyway I would like to do it myself for a learning exercise too.
[10:49] <domjohnson> I think we should compare snow depths...
[10:49] <domjohnson> lol
[10:50] <nperry> 4'
[10:50] <sprite> 4ft
[10:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hah - This funny. In Dublin too czajkowski ;-) http://twitpic.com/3cfpmk
[10:52] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: ok - well advice for postfix would be ldap-aliases.cf
[10:52] <andylockran> nice easy syntax - poke me if you have issues
[10:52] <czajkowski> oh that was the bad crash last year
[10:52] <MooDoo> heeh
[10:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> ty
[10:52] <czajkowski> not sure if those were the real adds. but it was a very bad crash :(
[10:52] <TheOpenSourcerer> thanks andylockran
[10:53] <finelytuned> o/
[10:53] <czajkowski> the luas (train) went through a green light and the bus went through a red light.
[10:53] <MooDoo> now i feel guilty for chuckling at it
[10:53] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: do poke me - have experience with that setup on CentOS + Gentoo - but only brief bits on ubuntu
[10:53] <popey> http://twitpic.com/3cfpma
[10:53] <popey> you can see the advert isnt specsavers
[10:57] <bigcalm> What is the advert?
[10:57] <popey> should have gone to specsavers
[10:57] <bigcalm> Oh
[10:57] <bigcalm> I cannie make it out
[11:00] <bigcalm> Oh, hello 11am
[11:00] <bigcalm> :S
[11:00] <bigcalm> Went cave exploring whilst listening to TIMC :S
[11:01] <bigcalm> Came across 2 traps
[11:08] <AlanBell> you can even see in the reflection of the window that it is a thomas cook avert, not a specsavers one
[11:08] <Twinkletoes> I've used autofs to mount an smb share, and want to export it via nfs for my other clients.  autofs works ok, but when I try to export via nfs, I get the error "exportfs: Warning: /<dir> does not support NFS export."   Am I missing something here?
[11:09] <Twinkletoes> I suppose I could shar eit using samba
[11:10] <dwatkins> I'm not sure you can export a remotely-mounted directory with NFS.
[11:10] <dwatkins> I've had problems with this before.
[11:11] <Azelphur> I have problems with my computer continually falling back to the login screen, yet I can't see anything crash-related in Xorg.*.log http://pastebin.com/6idHe5f7
[11:11] <bigcalm> Azelphur: how about /var/log/messages?
[11:11] <Azelphur> It started happening after I swapped my nvidia 6600 for an nvidia 9500
[11:11] <Azelphur> hmm
[11:12] <bigcalm> Maybe there is a memory fault on the new card
[11:12] <dwatkins> the mode seems to be automatically selected, Azelphur - have you tried selecting a screen resolution as well?
[11:13] <Azelphur> dwatkins: nope, as I say it works for a while and then randomly falls to the login screen
[11:14] <Azelphur> hmm pastebin doesn't like /var/log/messages
[11:15] <bigcalm> o.O
[11:15] <Azelphur> it's too big :p
[11:15] <dwatkins> What, you don't export every line from it to twitter? ;-)
[11:15] <andylockran> just cat the last few lines :)
[11:15] <Azelphur> haha
[11:16] <screen-x> Azelphur: http://sprunge.us
[11:16]  * AlanBell wonders how hard it would be to extend pastebinit to point to twitter
[11:16] <Azelphur> ah it's easy anyway
[11:16] <Azelphur> no there's nothing in dmesg
[11:16] <Azelphur> there's only 4 messages from today
[11:16] <bigcalm> Azelphur: next time it fails, tail -f /var/log/messages
[11:17] <bigcalm> I have found that dmesg doesn't always reflect /var/log/messages
[11:17] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/ruynib0Z the only messages from today
[11:18] <Azelphur> but yea I need to set up a monitor for X so when it crashes I can catch the time and look in logs for it
[11:20] <bigcalm> Maybe your gfx card is overheating
[11:20] <Azelphur> bigcalm: it's just running mythtv
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[11:20] <Azelphur> and I don't have vdpau enabled
[11:20] <Azelphur> the 6600 handled it fine
[11:21] <bigcalm> Do you have the old card still?
[11:21] <Azelphur> bigcalm: yea
[11:22] <bigcalm> Try swapping it back and see if the issue is still present
[11:22] <Azelphur> could try that too
[11:23] <bigcalm> Or make a sacrafice to the computer gods
[11:23]  * popey gets the chicken, candles and chalk
[11:23]  * popey starts drawing a pentagram on the floor
[11:23]  * MooDoo gets the baby oil.......
[11:23] <MooDoo> ah wrong channel ;')
[11:23] <andylockran> 1:p
[11:23] <Azelphur> rofl
[11:24] <bigcalm> Now, where will we find a virgin in this field?
[11:24]  * AlanBell takes the chicken back from popey 
[11:24] <popey> anyway, Azelphur could be nvidia driver or hardware
[11:24] <Azelphur> yea
[11:24] <popey> Azelphur: switch to nv or nouveau to prove that
[11:24] <Azelphur> nv doesn't support 9500GT :(
[11:24] <bigcalm> That's a terrible sterio type. Wonder if it's less of a truism yet
[11:25] <popey> comments about nouveau not being as good as nvidia driver to /dev/null
[11:25] <Azelphur> and nouveau doesn't seem to get anywhere with S-Video out
[11:27] <bigcalm> ℱℴℓℓℴω
[11:27] <bigcalm> Weird trend on twitter
[11:27] <popey> i see squares
[11:27] <bigcalm> Me too
[11:27] <andylockran> I see Follow
[11:27] <andylockran> in silly text
[11:27] <Nafallo> I see unicode
[11:28] <popey> stupid windows fonts
[11:28] <Nafallo> Terminus actually
[11:30] <Nafallo> i.e. what you get on tty1-6 by default...
[11:33] <kazade> Azelphur, try creating a new login - it might be a user-specific configuration option confusing the nvidia driver
[11:33] <kazade> as it's happening after login
[11:34] <kazade> Azelphur, I mean create a new test user
[11:34] <Azelphur> it's happening well after login
[11:35] <Azelphur> it'll stay up for a few hours then crash
[11:35] <kazade> oh right ok
[11:35] <kazade> I thought it was just after, bm
[11:35] <kazade> nm
[11:35] <Azelphur> as I say I need to stick an uptime monitor on VNC so I can see when X goes down
[11:35] <Azelphur> and then look in various log files
[11:36] <DanielRM> Azelphur: couldn't you just run a logging program in a terminal in X and then see where the log terminates?
[11:36] <Azelphur> that's easier, good idea :)
[11:37] <DanielRM> Something like: while `sleep 60`; echo `date` > log; done
[11:37] <DanielRM> I think date's the right command.
[11:37] <Azelphur> I would just run DISPLAY=:0.0 gnome-terminal; date
[11:37] <Azelphur> when terminal gets terminated (ie x crashes), I get the date \o/
[11:37] <DanielRM> Even better.
[11:37] <MartijnVdS> tail -f /var/log/Xorg.0.log? :)
[11:38] <Azelphur> been there done that
[11:38] <popey> which version of nvidia driver do you have?
[11:38] <popey> also...
[11:38] <Azelphur> 185
[11:39] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Backtracing
[11:39] <popey> leave that running to get a trace when x fails
[11:39] <Azelphur> will do
[11:39] <popey> that will be the most useful thing to do
[11:42] <bigcalm> Council where I used to live: http://www.malvernhills.gov.uk
[11:42]  * bigcalm boogies
[11:42]  * bigcalm points at the header image
[11:42] <bigcalm> Sod the rest of the site
[11:43] <AlanBell> nice!
[11:43] <AlanBell> that was your 15 minutes of fame
[11:43] <bigcalm> AlanBell: enjoying it while I can
[11:44] <bigcalm> http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/3266482407/
[11:44] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://www.struttandparker.com/residential-property-to-let/london-w-/property_2637.html
[11:46] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, i think i'm moving ;)
[11:47] <X3N> dd
[11:48] <AlanBell> if anyone is of a twittering nature it would be great to get some more publicity about the christmas party
[11:48] <AlanBell> http://twitter.com/#!/alanbelltolc/status/10654033622601728
[11:50] <MooDoo> AlanBell, done :D
[11:50] <popey> ditto
[11:53] <X3N> not sure if i'm going to make it now
[11:54] <popey> :(
[11:58] <X3N> popey: did you see http://www.linux.fm ?
[12:00] <popey> no
[12:00] <popey> oh dear, how tedious
[12:00] <X3N> :)
[12:00] <bigcalm> Oh my :(
[12:00] <bigcalm> That's horrid
[12:01] <MooDoo> wtf!
[12:01] <dogmatic69> lol
[12:01]  * bigcalm gets back to the drum & bass
[12:01] <bigcalm> What to have for lunch...
[12:01] <dogmatic69> pizza
[12:01] <MooDoo> what a waste of a domain
[12:02] <bigcalm> MooDoo: I ran a site that tells you if it's the weekend or not. Humm, that was more useful actually
[12:02] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: too far, please try again
[12:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> Seen this? http://open-pc.com/
[12:02] <bigcalm> Actually, might get an oven pizza from Waitrose
[12:03] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: www.pizzahut.co.uk is too far?
[12:03] <TheOpenSourcerer> bigcalm: As you can get out, please get me some shopping too.
[12:03] <bigcalm> dogmatic69: it's a 15 min drive to the closest pizzahut
[12:03] <bigcalm> And I fear my GF will throw a wobbly if she finds out I did that
[12:03] <dogmatic69> bigcalm: thats the great thing about delivery, its their problem
[12:04] <dogmatic69> lol
[12:04] <bigcalm> They don't deliver
[12:04] <dogmatic69> i would move
[12:04] <bigcalm> o.O
[12:04] <bigcalm> I'm happy with the 20mb cable connection. That's keeping me where I am
[12:05] <bigcalm> Decent internet connection beats pizza for this geek
[12:05] <dogmatic69> i got 20mb and pizza deliveries <3
[12:05] <bigcalm> Dominos do delivery. But their food is pants
[12:06] <dogmatic69> most of the pizza in the uk is pants :/
[12:06] <shauno> I keep getting dominos just because their online ordering rocks.  they got that bit right.
[12:06] <bigcalm> Tell a lie. My local dominos don't deliver either
[12:06] <bigcalm> Bah
[12:06] <dogmatic69> have not found a place that makes proper wood oven pizza
[12:06] <shauno> if someone taught them how to cook, it'd be fantastic
[12:06] <bigcalm> Pizza Express is ace
[12:06] <MartijnVdS> bigcalm: http://www.pizza.co.uk/
[12:07] <bigcalm> And I had a cracking pizza from PizzaHut on Tuesday
[12:07] <bigcalm> MartijnVdS: We`re sorry, Pizza.co.uk has no restaurants listed in your area.
[12:07] <bigcalm> Ta though
[12:07] <dogmatic69> MartijnVdS: just put my postcode and the site died
[12:08] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69: nice :)
[12:11] <daubers> Oooooh, lovely hot coffee
[12:11] <MartijnVdS> daubers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Coffee_minigame_controversy ?
[12:12] <popey> heh
[12:13] <bigcalm> Haha, cool
[12:13] <screen-x> How do I tell the difference between hyper threading/dual core/dual cpu?
[12:13] <screen-x> /proc/cpuinfo lists two CPUs
[12:14] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: look at the "physical id" and "core id"
[12:14] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Ummm... no
[12:14] <kazade> serious question... does Gwibber ever work?
[12:15] <andylockran> yes
[12:15] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: both are physical ID 0, there are no core ids listed, so this must be single processor, hyper threaded?
[12:15] <screen-x> kazade: nope
[12:15] <Nafallo> kazade: I've seen it working.
[12:15] <kazade> IMO it's the buggiest app in the default install (and that includes U1)
[12:15] <andylockran> I like pino
[12:15] <screen-x> andylockran: oauth?
[12:15] <kazade> yeah I'm gonna find something else...
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: on a dual quadcore server here I see siblings = 8 for each core
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: so "siblings" is (hyperthreading + cores) I think
[12:16] <kazade> I'm gonna find one that doesn't use up this much memory: 12059 luke      20   0  581m  84m  28m S    0  4.2   0:02.18 gwibber
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: if there is no "cpu cores" entry, cores = 1, and "siblings" = ht
[12:16] <screen-x> MartijnVdS: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539367/
[12:16] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: can you pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo? :)
[12:16]  * screen-x reads your mind
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> screen-x: yeah... siblings=2, physid=0, that's 2 hyperthreading bits
[12:17] <screen-x> thanks :)
[12:17] <MartijnVdS> also the "ht" flags bit
[12:17] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: AlanBell http://bettr.org/
[12:27]  * daubers waits for someone to buy his car
[12:27] <Nafallo> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-11908583
[12:34] <czajkowski> daubers: you may not get many viewings with this weather
[12:37] <daubers> czajkowski: Had one this morning :) Best time to view a car IMO as you can easily see if the seals are knackered
[12:44] <daubers> czajkowski: Sold!
[12:44] <popey> blimey
[12:45] <popey> that was quick
[12:45] <czajkowski> yay
[12:46] <screen-x> daubers: :D
[12:46] <MooDoo> wow
[12:49] <screen-x> daubers: did you get haggle?
[12:52] <screen-x> I wish I could come up with a sentence that made sense.. s/get//
[12:52] <daubers> screen-x: Yup, but that's ok, as I allowed some margin in the price for that :)
[12:53] <screen-x> daubers: a professional :)
[12:53] <daubers> screen-x: :p
[13:04] <popey> i had a silly idea in the shower today
[13:04] <andylockran> lol
[13:05] <andylockran> We've got a new person in the office
[13:05] <andylockran> while I was out at lunch, I left my computer screens on and spotify playing
[13:05] <andylockran> I killed spotify when I was out, and loaded up xeyes, whilst playing theme from Phantom of the Opera via mpg123
[13:05] <andylockran> was amusing when I returned to the office
[13:05] <andylockran> she was like 'I haven't done anything;
[13:06] <andylockran> is that cruel?
[13:06] <popey> so anyway..
[13:07] <popey> a script which runs on a minimal ubuntu install and goes to get the source for the entire desktop and compiles it a'la gentoo
[13:07] <popey> gentubuntoo!
[13:07] <andylockran> popey: the point of that being?
[13:07] <popey> not quite sure what the point would be
[13:08] <shauno> to justify the invention of the moniker, I assume
[13:08] <popey> i just wondered if it could be done with the standard tools
[13:08] <popey> apt-get source for each package
[13:08] <popey> and apt-get build-dep, but that would bring in binary packages
[13:09] <popey> so maybe have a sources.list which _only_ has deb-src lines and no deb lines
[13:09] <andylockran> popey: loop them both until you have them all
[13:09] <popey> so it can only pull in source
[13:09] <andylockran> popey: I'm willing to give this a go if you like?
[13:09] <popey> and point sources.list at a local repo which you fill using the packages that have been locally compiled
[13:09] <popey> so eventually you can do apt-get install ubuntu-desktop and it pull in everything from the local repo that was built locally
[13:10] <popey> does that make sense?
[13:10] <andylockran> ^ = gentoo binhost
[13:10] <andylockran> yeah
[13:10] <andylockran> as you can add location-specific configs to the debs
[13:10] <andylockran> if required.
[13:10] <shauno> I'd be curious to see if that could figure out when packages have been updated
[13:10] <popey> yeah, something to get new source, rebuild etc
[13:10] <shauno> eg, when /var/cache/packages has version n, and apt-mirror has n+1, does it tweak and grab
[13:11] <AlanBell> that all sounds like a sufficiently big effort that there should be some kind of point to it
[13:11] <shauno> does sound like a wonderfully interesting exercise in self-harm
[13:12] <AlanBell> could things be compiled in a more optimised way or something?
[13:13] <shauno> I believe locally compiled packages are built --with-racing-stripes, where hosted repositories aren't
[13:14] <popey> yes alejandraobregon
[13:14] <popey> er AlanBell
[13:21] <AlanBell> nice
[13:21] <AlanBell> and hi alejandraobregon o/
[13:27] <brobostigon> afternoonings all
[13:28] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon how goes it?
[13:28] <andylockran> a.
[13:28] <brobostigon> hi MooDoo and andylockran
[13:28] <brobostigon> MooDoo: not too bad, shabby round the edges. how about you ?
[13:29] <MooDoo> brobostigon, aye not bad...i'm ready for the weekend :D
[13:29] <brobostigon> MooDoo: :)
[13:40] <Daviey> popey: RE, you rebuilding.... I would use rerepro to create a source archive, and rebuildd to build the packages and re-inject them back into the archive
[13:40] <Daviey> popey: You'd uncover a bunch of FTBFS's :)
[13:41] <AlanBell> how does that happen?
[13:43] <Nafallo> AlanBell: stuff getting built against superseeded stuff and then not rebuilt against current versions.
[13:43] <daubers> AlanBell: You let Daviey touch them....
[13:44] <Daviey> hah
[13:44] <Daviey> In Maverick, a couple happend due to toolchain changes
[13:44] <Daviey> But yes, as Nafallo said.
[13:44] <Nafallo> toolchain is "stuff" :-)
[13:45] <Nafallo> well, a fraction of stuff :-P
[13:45] <Lcawte> o.o I thought I was already in here... hm..
[13:46] <screen-x> printer question: If I change a toner cartridge, but it doesn't solve my problem, can I go back to the old toner, and store the new one for later? or should a toner be left in the printer once it's been opened?
[13:47] <MooDoo> screen-x, i think it can be stored, might be better to do it in an air tight bag
[13:47] <daubers> screen-x: Really really ensure that it's not goign to go anywhere a little bit damp
[13:48] <screen-x> thanks MooDoo and daubers
[13:48] <MooDoo> no worries
[13:51] <popey> Daviey: thats true
[13:56]  * Nafallo heads up to Canary Wharf
[14:04] <MichealH> Hey all
[14:05] <MichealH> I know about the hack day were having on 10/10/10
[14:05] <MichealH> *10/12/10
[14:06] <MichealH> If anyone wants to look at the Ubuntu Drupal Work then http://staging.profarius.com/ and staging7.profarius.com/ are a few examples of our work.
[14:07] <AlanBell> Orange is the new brown
[14:07] <MichealH> If anyone has a good idea for the site but is having issues on the day could seek help from #webdevel if they really needed to.
[14:07] <daubers> AlanBell: and Red is the new Green
[14:07] <daubers> (my excuse anyway)
[14:07] <MichealH> AlanBell: We have a Brown,Orange,Blue and Pink theme
[14:09] <popey> MichealH: we're using wordpress, not drupal FYI
[14:09] <MichealH> popey: Oh
[14:10] <MichealH> We still have CSS which we could use
[14:10] <popey> have you seen the site?
[14:10] <popey> http://beta.ubuntu-uk.org/
[14:10] <MichealH> popey: Yup
[14:13] <shauno> hah.  this is probably "you had to be there", but I just pasted that url into two ticket commits instead of my usual "that's not a problem"
[14:14] <shauno> luckily a coworker spotted I was on autopilot :/
[14:15] <dwatkins> shauno: you get a lot of tickets which aren't a problem?
[14:15] <shauno> yes, unfortunately
[14:16]  * dwatkins does too
[14:16] <MooDoo> shauno, what you do for a living?
[14:16] <shauno> monitor off-site equipment
[14:16] <MattJ> Works for Microsoft? *ducks*
[14:16] <shauno> at the moment low humidity alarms are pure spam, thanks to the weather
[14:17] <MartijnVdS> shauno: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_lsW0D5f6cIA/SaTghI5s30I/AAAAAAAAAAk/e7Otip1mvds/s1600-R/you-are-being-monitored.jpg ?
[14:17] <MooDoo> MattJ, i bet they are good to work for
[14:17] <shauno> MartijnVdS: :)
[14:18] <MattJ> MooDoo: I think they're likely just about the same as any other large company :)
[14:18] <MattJ> MooDoo: http://www.qbrundage.com/michaelb/pubs/essays/working_at_microsoft.html
[14:26] <MooDoo> MattJ, that's a interesting read :D
[14:27] <MattJ> There's another not-so-positive one somewhere, about the pain of participating in Windows development
[14:27] <MattJ> but you find people unhappy with participating in Ubuntu development too, so... :)
[14:27] <MooDoo> yes, i think it's the culture people are interested in
[14:32] <MooDoo> MattJ, go to work, code for an hour or so then go play table football
[14:32] <MooDoo> :D
[14:32] <MattJ> :)
[14:32] <MattJ> or just... not go to work :)
[14:32]  * MattJ gets on fine working from home
[14:33] <MooDoo> MattJ, i'd love to work from home
[14:38] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, You about?
[14:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> yes selinuxium I am.
[14:38] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, Was it you that did that lamb dish that took days...
[14:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> selinuxium: It was I
[14:39] <selinuxium> Yay!
[14:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> Raan
[14:39] <selinuxium> What was it?
[14:39] <TheOpenSourcerer> here's a decent recipe: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/gallery/2009/apr/07/lamb-easter-recipe-raan
[14:39] <popey> thats the one I used
[14:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> or search twitter for #twooking
[14:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> I gave popey the url ;-)
[14:40] <selinuxium>  :)
[14:43] <selinuxium> Cheers guys  :)
[14:51] <bigcalm> popey: what can you do with the green lined cobble stone you get from around traps?
[14:51] <bigcalm> Can't turn it into smooth stone in a furnace
[14:51] <popey> bigcalm: dunno, i have some of it kicking around
[14:52] <popey> s/traps/mob spawners/
[14:52] <bigcalm> Yus
[14:52] <bigcalm> And are snowballs good for anything?
[14:53] <popey> fun for throwing at cows
[14:53] <popey> my kids love that
[14:53] <bigcalm> Haha
[14:53] <popey> P-TWANG!
[14:54] <bigcalm> I'm going to try building a towser in the middle of a frozen lake
[14:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Anyone configured openldap on ubuntu recently for remote browsing of cn=config? By default it's locked to uid=0 (i.e. root on localhost) from what I can tell.
[15:45] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: I'd just use an SSH tunnel for now.. ssh $ldapserver 389:localhost:389
[15:45] <andylockran> TheOpenSourcerer: I'd just use an SSH tunnel for now.. ssh $ldapserver -L 389:localhost:389 ...
[16:18]  * daubers wonders how difficult his drive the Birmingham will be on Sunday
[16:19]  * popey wonders if AlanBell is about and has seen https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-developer-manual/msg00050.html
[16:19] <dwatkins> the South has so little snow, it shouldn't be a problem, but somehow it is, daubers
[16:19] <popey> which is in 40 mins
[16:19] <AlanBell> yes, and no
[16:21] <AlanBell> what is the IRC channel for the developer manual?
[16:21] <popey> #quickly
[16:22] <popey> which you're in
[16:22] <AlanBell> huh, wouldn't have guessed that
[16:23] <daubers> dwatkins: Hmmm.. hopefully we'll get no more snow tonight or tomorrow
[16:24] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/ boringcam is boring
[16:24] <czajkowski> popey: another snow day ?
[16:24] <popey> (s)no
[16:24] <brobostigon> lol
[16:25] <dwatkins> nice, popey
[16:25] <czajkowski> right time to brave the cold and hit the shops, I need milk for tea, not had any all day long!
[16:25] <dwatkins> take care, czajkowski
[16:25]  * dwatkins walked to the shop in a t-shirt the other day, but wouldn't do that today as it's even colder now
[16:26] <czajkowski> it's warmer in stuttgart :D
[16:26] <czajkowski> there is a god
[16:28] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/webcam/20101202.avi time lapse of the most boring camera ever! :D
[16:29] <sprite> i just installed GnomeXchat and WOW
[16:29]  * nperry claps
[16:29] <sprite> it's a far cry from the original
[16:30]  * sprite tips hat to the golfclap
[16:30] <sprite> assumedly no one here is using it? It doesn't seem to have the capacity to remember servers / rooms
[16:31] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Matthew Garrett] Nook Color GPL update - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/130871.html
[16:31] <Azelphur> sprite: yea nobody uses it, it's bad :p
[16:31] <MooDoo> popey, how quickly does it refresh?
[16:31] <popey> whenever there's a sufficient delta between one image and the next
[16:32] <popey> sorry, thats how often an image is uploaded / taken
[16:32] <popey> the page updates every 2 mins
[16:32] <MooDoo> ah ok
[16:32] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/ that page
[16:33] <sprite> HA! This app was labelled as 'sane' in the description. Azelphur, I'm glad you concur.
[16:33] <MooDoo> hmmmm good avi, shame all i can see is the tree wobble ;)
[16:33] <Azelphur> :)
[16:33] <nperry> sprite: this is irc not msn chat, we have channels :)
[16:34] <popey> MooDoo: i have other days to encode
[16:34] <popey> one where there is no snow
[16:34] <popey> so you should see it all build :)
[16:34] <MooDoo> can't believe i'm watching this waiting for it to go dark lol
[16:35] <MooDoo> hehe this is pretty cool :)
[16:35] <popey> :)
[16:35] <popey> my poor little Acer Revo is straining to do this
[16:35] <popey> GB of images encoding down to an avi
[16:35] <popey> plus it's monitoring the power usage in the house at the same time
[16:35] <popey> cracking value for money that revo
[16:36] <popey> http://popey.com/~alan/house/
[16:37]  * sprite safely back on normal irc client... woo
[16:37] <ging> if i write popey towers on an envolope with a stamp on it would it find it's way to you?
[16:38] <popey> http://popey.com/house/ better url :)
[16:38] <daubers> ging: addressed to "The one, the only, _THE_ popey"?
[16:38] <popey> that would get to my wife :)
[16:38] <popey> she is @therealpopey on twitter :)
[16:38] <popey> (not that she uses it)
[16:39] <daubers> heh
[16:40] <popey> hah, that box is also backing up my gmail constantly :)
[16:40] <popey> go little atom, go!
[16:44] <czajkowski> too dodgey to leave
[16:44] <popey> top - 16:42:48 up 10 days, 16:55,  7 users,  load average: 5.28, 5.31, 4.35
[16:45] <daubers> Woot, risk of Atom-ic explosion high
[16:45] <daubers> :p
[16:46]  * daubers gets his coat
[16:46]  * brobostigon gives czajkowski his spike clipons for shoes.
[16:47] <MooDoo> czajkowski, you don't need to leave, unless you run out of supplied
[16:50] <sprite> -d + +s
[16:50] <MooDoo> sprite, thanks :D
[16:50] <MooDoo> however i might have meant supplied :p
[16:51] <sprite> -run +ran ;p
[16:51] <MooDoo> hee hee
[16:53] <sprite> i really like ubuntu. since upgrading yesterday to 10.04. but there seems to be an odd bug with WEP wifi
[16:55] <MooDoo> sprite, what's that then?
[16:58] <sprite> since you asked; it connected fine to WEP for about 10 minutes and now is unable to reconnect. it continues to ask for the WEP key which is the same as it was the first time. WPA seems not to be an issue.
[16:58] <MooDoo> have you looked at the ubuntu bugs website to see if anyone else is having an issue like that?
[16:59] <sprite> as a matter of factly I am doing that as we speak. there seems to be a great many people having the same issue but with a wide range of proposed reasons. mainly for dell broadcoms whilst mine is realtek
[17:00] <sprite> i know the proper driver for my card is still in beta but it worked find on 8.04 so something has changed :)
[17:01] <sprite> -d +e
[17:16] <Azelphur> I want some cool slippers, like ones with a Ubuntu logo on :)
[17:16] <Azelphur> My slippers broke :(
[17:17] <sprite> LOL
[17:18] <WelshDragon> How do you break slippers? O.o
[17:19] <Azelphur> they are old and the glue on them is wearing out
[17:19] <Azelphur> so they are falling apart
[17:24] <czajkowski> dear chicken please thaw out, I want to cook then eat you
[17:25] <dogmatic69> czajkowski: put it in the fridge, its warmer in there
[17:25] <czajkowski> it has been since last night
[17:25] <czajkowski> :s
[17:28] <WelshDragon> czajkowski, microwave?
[17:28] <czajkowski> that's plan B alright
[17:28] <WelshDragon> Why's it not plan A? :o
[17:29] <czajkowski> plan A was let it defrost
[17:29]  * czajkowski fancies making a korma 
[17:29] <jpds> czajkowski: Is that likke karma?
[17:30]  * czajkowski pokes jpds 
[17:30] <bigcalm> I prefer something a little otter
[17:30] <WelshDragon> czajkowski, you know you can also oven cook chicken from frozen?
[17:30] <jacobw> i hate tuna steaks
[17:31] <czajkowski> WelshDragon: yes, but I want to fry it
[17:31] <jacobw> (that is all i have to say)
[17:31] <dogmatic69> czajkowski: get one of these, know someone that uses it to defrost things, takes around 15min http://www.wisefull.com/images/200906/1245917484942194433.jpg
[17:31] <czajkowski> hmmm
[17:32] <WelshDragon> dogmatic69, what is that? :s
[17:33] <dogmatic69> car amp heat sink
[17:52] <DanteAshton> Hey all. I have a very interesting item for everyone; is there anyone in the Cotswolds area who wants to help us create an advert?
[17:52] <DanteAshton> we now have studio access :D
[17:52] <DanteAshton> (whoops; I'm lead of the Ubuntu Advertising Team, btw)
[17:53]  * UndiFineD sprays some confetti around DanteAshton 
[17:53] <DanteAshton> Thank you, thank you.
[17:53] <DanteAshton> Now, anyone want to give us a hand?
[17:55] <DanteAshton> Anyone? Come on, we're being serious here :P
[17:56] <zleap> cool DanteAshton , i have been working on some promotion down here
[17:56] <zleap> or would like to
[17:56] <cassidyjames> DanteAshton: Oh. You're already over here. :P
[17:56] <DanteAshton> great, zleap, what have you been doing?
[17:57] <zleap> i wrote a short article for the rugby club newsletter
[17:57] <zleap> also have 100 cd's to distribute,  made a few posters
[17:57] <zleap> just need some decent materials really to push things
[17:57] <DanteAshton> well...we're looking at creating video, audio and graphics ads for Ubuntu
[17:57] <zleap> nice
[17:58] <DanteAshton> Mark S has contacted us and said that if our work is good enough (which it will be, considering we've got a studio now)  then it will be offically promoted
[17:58] <zleap> YAY
[17:58] <zleap> sounds excellent
[17:58] <zleap> i have booked 4 dclug meetings for 2010 (jan - apr) so that gives us a good starting point
[17:59] <cassidyjames> zleap: But we need people experienced with video creation to help us out. :P
[17:59] <zleap> thats not really me then
[17:59] <DanteAshton> hey, we need actors
[17:59] <DanteAshton> and we need people in Glouster to help us shoot the damn thing
[17:59] <zleap> hmm,  i am in devon
[17:59] <MonsterKiller> lol
[17:59] <DanteAshton> no skills are needed, but hands and a willingness to travel are. :P
[18:00] <DanteAshton> Come on guys and gals, fantastic opptunity here...
[18:00] <zleap> if you e-mail me the details i can forward to the dclug for you
[18:01] <zleap> by offocially promoted does this mean tv ads
[18:01] <zleap> i am sure I read somewhere you can advertise on back of busses for 7.99 a week
[18:01] <cassidyjames> zleap: Probably through the web first.
[18:01] <zleap> ok
[18:01] <cassidyjames> At some point TV would be great, too.
[18:01] <zleap> well i am happy to link or host videos
[18:01] <directhex> tv is so '90s. in this day & age, the best way to be seen is the back of milk cartons
[18:02] <cassidyjames> directex: Ha!
[18:02] <DanteAshton> TV ads are expensive, we're looking at creating them for the cinema first
[18:02] <cassidyjames> directhex: I spelled your name wrong. Was thinking "DirectX"
[18:02] <DanteAshton> and possibly radio
[18:02] <zleap> ohh
[18:02] <jacobw> great obscure reference :)
[18:03] <DanteAshton> and TV later, when we get the funding (they cost bloody thousands to air)
[18:03] <zleap> cinema would be good esp before a movie which is digital animation, that perhaps used linux somewhere in the process
[18:03] <zleap> what are the main cinema promotors who run the cinemas
[18:03] <DanteAshton> No idea, that was Mark's idea :D
[18:04] <zleap> can't remember who they are now off hand
[18:04] <directhex> usually it's subcontracted
[18:04] <jacobw> pearl & dean?
[18:04] <jacobw> dunno
[18:04] <zleap> yeah them
[18:04] <directhex> DCM are one of the main advertising subcontractors
[18:05] <DanteAshton> Well, we need hands, animators, musicians, graphic artists, authors...
[18:05] <zleap> i still think that we need to get the name out there so the more people that see ubuntu it will be familar and hopefully at some point as familar as microsoft
[18:05] <DanteAshton> Please, please, I beg you; this will be Ubuntu's unvieling to the public at large.
[18:05] <directhex> still called carlton screen in ireland
[18:06] <zleap> DanteAshton, i understand that so i guess we need to get it rigth
[18:06] <zleap> right
[18:06] <zleap> well i am going to put a short piece in the next rugby newsletter about the alpha 1 release
[18:06] <UndiFineD> yes, it would require a lot of planning
[18:07] <DanteAshton> if you can also put out our requirements as well, I'd love you forever.
[18:07] <DanteAshton> Now, I'm travelling down to Guildford in the near future to deal with some musician friends of mine who are interested in helping
[18:07] <zleap> DanteAshton, e-mail me on zleap@zleap.net and I will forward
[18:08] <DanteAshton> if anyone wants to meet me there, or here, my email is danteashton@gmail.com
[18:08] <bigcalm> Oh, it's just gone 6pm. I can code for fun now
[18:14] <zleap> are people still here ?
[18:15] <DanteAshton> yes, sorry
[18:15] <DanteAshton> had to go and have a ciggie, I'm overly excited :P
[18:17] <zleap> ok
[18:18] <zleap> np
[18:19] <zleap> i need to send this mini article in to a few places once i have edited it a bt more
[18:20] <zleap> i guess once we have an internet video it will be a case of promoting it , linking to it and sharing as much as possible
[18:24] <UndiFineD> indeed, those are in our plans
[18:29] <zleap> just created an event on fb for the release of 11.04
[18:35] <sprite> yay for the new Libre
[18:37] <jacobw> new Libre?
[18:38] <DanteAshton> Office?
[18:38] <sprite> yeah
[18:38] <DanteAshton> how do you pronounce Libre, anyway?
[18:38] <sprite> lee-bra
[18:39] <DanteAshton> Thought so...
[18:39] <DanteAshton> cheers :)
[18:40] <sprite> it's not exactly going to make a dent on the market but i believe in their mission
[18:40] <zleap> so libra office is then new open office
[18:42] <jacobw> yeah
[18:42] <sprite> in a matter of speaking it is. a lot of the same people who fell out with the direction OOo is going
[18:43] <sprite> .oO(jesus that's poor grammar. hopefully no one notices)
[18:53] <zleap> so will 11.04 come with libra or open office
[18:56] <zleap> sprite, no probs
[19:07] <zleap> hi rogerf
[19:09] <rogerf> hi
[19:10] <finelytuned> evenin
[19:11] <sprite> salut
[19:12] <sprite> zleap, it should come with libra
[19:12] <zleap> ok cool
[19:19] <andylockran> howdy
[19:19] <andylockran> libre
[19:20] <zleap> will make sure I try and tell people that then
[19:20] <andylockran> :)
[19:20] <zleap> hopefully libraoffice will go in to the opendisc too
[19:20] <zleap> so it filters around that way
[19:20] <andylockran> The Document Foundation is one to look at too - they're the 'council' for LibreOffice I believe.
[19:20]  * DanteAshton sent an email to the mailing list and hopes it's correct.
[19:20] <zleap> ok
[19:20] <zleap> will get a link up at some point from my site + others
[19:21] <andylockran> I was subscribed to the marketing list for OOo, so did so for LO too - but there's too much noise and stuff going on for me to be useful, so I signed off
[19:21] <zleap> i find that
[19:21] <zleap> messages get lost very easy
[19:22] <andylockran> I could keep up with it - but keeping up was an effort
[19:22] <andylockran> and I have other stuff to concentrate on (un)fortunately
[19:23] <Danawar2> Hey guys im trying to get onto my file server at university and normally by putting https://exchange.plymouth.ac.uk/home/#username#/ in windows it would ask for a password how can I do this on Ubuntu?
[19:23] <zleap> brb something has gone wrong
[19:24] <Danawar2> not through a web browser*
[19:36] <finelytuned> wb zleap
[19:36] <zleap> thanks
[19:37] <zleap> i think i need more then 2gb of ram here really
[19:40] <finelytuned> makes 2 of us zleap
[19:42] <sprite> signing off ta
[19:42] <finelytuned> nn
[19:42] <andylockran> Danawar2: you still about?
[19:43] <Danawar2> andylockran: heyaa
[19:43] <andylockran> Danawar2: it looks like when you get to that it's got a HTTP authentication method on the page - so you have to enter your username and password there
[19:43] <andylockran> do you not want to do this?
[19:44] <Danawar2> No, in windows it gives me a promt for a password and I type that in and it works =/
[19:45] <andylockran> It's because it's exchange I guess - if you enter your username and password on Ubuntu, what happens?
[19:45] <finelytuned> it most likely works off of cookie authentication
[19:46] <finelytuned> which you'll already have on your windows machine after the first time login
[19:48] <Danawar2> it doesnt ask for username and password on ubuntu
[19:48] <des_> hi everybody
[19:50] <des_> is anybody here?
[19:50] <finelytuned> hi des
[19:50] <des_> hi )
[19:51] <des_> man's i'am a newbie user of ubuntu, can anybody help me to tune my kernel?
[19:51] <finelytuned> Danawar2: it took me to username /pw screen
[19:52] <finelytuned> des_: tune kernel?
[19:52] <des_> i have a HP mini 5101 and use wi-fi
[19:52] <zleap> sorry just sorting out my website cv page
[19:53] <Danawar2> in nautilus
[19:53] <des_> ubuntu 10, and i wanna look what module used by my wi-wi card, how can i made that? lsmod not show that propertly
[19:54] <Danawar2> What is the difference between pico and nano?
[19:54] <des_> maybe names? )
[19:55] <des_> pico and nano same programs
[19:56] <des_> pico just a symbolic link of nano
[19:57] <des_> just try man pico and look as well
[19:59] <des_> is somebody alive??? O_o
[19:59] <finelytuned> im here but im not the person to answer your question
[19:59] <finelytuned> someone will be along shortly
[19:59] <finelytuned> :)
[19:59] <des_> :))
[19:59] <des_> wrom where are you?
[20:00] <finelytuned> wrom?
[20:00] <des_> ya
[20:00] <des_> sorry *from
[20:00] <finelytuned> ahh hatfield herts
[20:01] <des_> uk?
[20:01] <finelytuned> yes
[20:01] <des_> -_-
[20:03] <emorris> hi, is it possible to forward all ports coming into an Ubuntu box on 1 interface to a particular IP? Effectively making the Ubuntu box act as a router utilising DMZ?
[20:04] <MartijnVdS> lots of things are possible with iptables
[20:06] <emorris> MartijnVdS, yeah, I've used iptables a bit, but only really for opening the odd port and limiting stuff. I'll see if I can find something
[20:06] <MartijnVdS> check TLDP
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> it has tons of step by step guides on iptables
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> the "Advanced Routing" HOWTO might contain what you're looking for
[20:07] <MartijnVdS> or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/
[20:08] <des_> see ya mans )
[20:09] <emorris> MartijnVdS, cool; thanks!
[20:09]  * cassidyjames thinks the next version of Ubuntu should be Ubuntu 11.10 Oscillating Ocelot
[20:10] <MartijnVdS> Odorous Okapi
[20:11] <cassidyjames> That idea... wait for it.. stinks!
[20:11] <cassidyjames> :P
[20:20] <jacobw> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/10/12/03/1518213/Foodtubes-Proposes-Underground-Physical-Internet
[20:20] <jacobw> that news story has made my day :)
[20:27] <ipopey> Evening slackers
[20:27] <finelytuned> o/
[20:27] <MooDoo> ooo it's ipopey
[20:27] <MooDoo> i prefer ipopey to popey, he's the naughty one :D
[20:27] <MooDoo> lol
[20:28] <ipopey> Heh
[20:28] <andylockran> yo
[20:28] <brobostigon> ircing from the pub, i bet.
[20:28] <ipopey> Lounge
[20:28] <MooDoo> yes probablty
[20:28] <brobostigon> :)
[20:28] <ipopey> Qi yay
[20:28] <brobostigon> yay
[20:28] <jacobw> pubs should embrace IRC
[20:29] <jacobw> take pub arguments to a whole new level
[20:29] <ipopey> +1
[20:29] <MooDoo> yay minecraft and IRC :)
[20:29] <brobostigon> jacobw: give all the customers galaxy tabs,
[20:29] <jacobw> brobostigon, no, they need iPint glasses
[20:29] <brobostigon> jacobw: android powered pint glasses,interesting, :)
[20:29] <jacobw> hang on, no, tablets embedded in to the tables
[20:30] <brobostigon> jacobw: yes, :)
[20:30] <daubers> Ooooh minecraft, was just pondering what to do with my evening
[20:30]  * brobostigon also watches QI
[20:30] <ipopey> :)
[20:30] <brobostigon> :
[20:30] <brobostigon> yay
[20:30] <jacobw> was it on QI?
[20:30] <ipopey> It's on now
[20:30] <brobostigon> jacobw: QI onnow,
[20:31] <jacobw> ah good. prior art would be real pain in the arse when i come to patent this idea
[20:32] <jacobw> :D
[20:44] <daubers> Ooooh Tron
[20:47]  * daubers waits for the pizza to arrive
[21:05] <czajkowski> balor: nice Q
[21:49] <martii> hi guys
[21:49] <martii> do you maybe know any cheap and rather reliable VPS services that offer ubuntu?
[21:54] <aaronr> martii: i'm a customer of slicehost and bitfolk. they're both great. bitfolk's the cheaper of the two, though.
[21:54] <Azelphur> martii: bitfolk, or Daviey
[21:55] <martii> :) thanks
[21:55] <martii> anybody has experience with http://www.gbservers.co.uk/vps.html ?
[21:56] <martii> as they're just 5 quid and reasonable specs
[21:57] <martii> I need something cheap just to run some tests in the real world outside local LAN :)
[21:58] <dogmatic69> snowing good here in birmingham
[21:59] <dogmatic69> martii: i use slicehost, its like 15ish pm
[22:00] <dogmatic69> 256mb ram and a load of space/bandwidth
[22:00] <dogmatic69> running ubuntu10.10x64 but there are other options also
[22:00] <martii> dogmatic69: I would even live with 64mb of ram and 3GBspace + 30gb bandwidth
[22:01] <martii> dogmatic69: but it looks like not many people have such minimalistic needs :)
[22:01] <dogmatic69> what you wanna do?
[22:02] <martii> mostly it will be TCP/IP playground so not much CPU or MEM needed
[22:02] <martii> dogmatic69: for ex backup openvpn gateway
[22:04] <martii> dogmatic69: idealy if someone with uk based box was able to let me use theirs :) openvpn but I know this is rather non realistic
[22:04] <martii> :)
[22:07] <dogmatic69> ye
[22:07] <dogmatic69> slice is in usa
[22:07] <domjohnson> I just copied my Ubuntu Studio partition over to my TB Hard Drive, then ran update-grub, but when I try and boot into my newly created partition, it boots my old Ubuntu (its possible I accidentally copied the normal Ubuntu instead, but it is still booting the same thing)
[22:07] <dogmatic69> how about just doing it to local?
[22:07] <domjohnson> Can anyone help?
[22:08] <martii> domjohnson: are both HDD's connected?
[22:08] <domjohnson> Yes
[22:08] <domjohnson> I use the TB one as my Home directory
[22:08] <martii> domjohnson: grub uses UUID
[22:08] <domjohnson> and it show up in grub
[22:08] <martii> domjohnson: that's why it stil finds your old partition
[22:08] <martii> domjohnson: and boots from there
[22:08] <domjohnson> ok
[22:09] <domjohnson> So...how would I change this?
[22:09] <domjohnson> *fix this?
[22:09] <martii> domjohnson: you need to tell grub to use new partition that will likely have different ID
[22:09] <martii> domjohnson: what ver of studio you're running?
[22:09] <domjohnson> 10.10
[22:09] <martii> dogmatic69: hmmm local?
[22:09] <domjohnson> but atm I'm on normal ubuntu
[22:10] <martii> domjohnson: you have separate home partition?
[22:10] <dogmatic69> martii: not sure what you want to do, but sounds like some type of backup?
[22:10] <martii> domjohnson: I mean did you move it too
[22:10] <domjohnson> Yes, I have seperate home partition
[22:11] <domjohnson> I copied the / mount point of Ubuntu Studio
[22:11] <martii> domjohnson: good
[22:11] <domjohnson> Actually, it could've been normal Ubuntu
[22:11] <domjohnson> dogmatic69 - its so that I can use my 80GB HDD to install Mac
[22:11] <domjohnson> and then I can eliminate Windows :D
[22:12] <dogmatic69> domjohnson: that was for martii
[22:12] <domjohnson> oh
[22:12] <domjohnson> lol
[22:12] <domjohnson> sorry
[22:12] <martii> domjohnson: do you get any output from blkid command?
[22:13] <domjohnson> No
[22:14] <martii> domjohnson: sudo blkid?
[22:14] <martii> domjohnson: read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Partitioning/Home/Moving
[22:14] <martii> domjohnson: will give you idea how things look like about partitions
[22:15] <domjohnson> http://pastebin.com/GLtgasPw
[22:16] <martii> domjohnson: so I assume sda is new drive
[22:18] <martii> domjohnson: pastebin fdisk -l please
[22:19] <domjohnson> http://pastebin.com/kjbjxAzz
[22:20] <martii> domjohnson: ok so sda is new 1tb sdb is old 80gb
[22:21] <martii> domjohnson: now you have to look at /boot/grub/grub.cfg and
[22:21] <martii> replace this
[22:21] <martii> 9a30b6f1-1406-4e73-98c5-eaa0cee6fa54
[22:21] <martii> with that
[22:22] <martii> e8c4485c-6250-4981-bdf4-0afa1eada763
[22:22] <martii> if your new / partition was copied to /dev/sda1
[22:22] <martii> then grub-update
[22:22] <martii> sorry
[22:23] <martii> update-grub
[22:23] <domjohnson> Just realised - I copied both Ubuntu AND Ubuntu Studio to Tb HDD
[22:23] <martii> hmm w8
[22:23] <martii> update-grub will replace grub.cfg
[22:24] <martii> all this mess is because of grub2 in Lucid+ ubuntus
[22:25] <martii> read that
[22:25] <martii> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[22:26] <domjohnson> Hmm...did update-grub before I changed anything to check something - it only discovers one of the two partitions I copied over
[22:26] <domjohnson> But it discovers the Ubuntu Studio one
[22:26] <domjohnson> So I'm not bothered...
[22:27] <Azelphur> popey: I got that backtrace...it looks like something is infinite looping
[22:27] <Azelphur> popey: http://azelphur.com/crashlog.txt.zip I had to zip it, because it's about 100,000 entries long.
[22:27] <martii> domjohnson: as well you may want to install grub in /dev/sda MBR
[22:27] <domjohnson> ok
[22:27] <domjohnson> What does bad1 mean in grub.cfg
[22:28] <martii> domjohnson: disconnect old drive (after shutdown) and startup with just 1tb connected
[22:28] <domjohnson> Ok
[22:28] <domjohnson> Why?
[22:29] <martii> domjohnson: to make sure you can start from new disc alone
[22:29] <domjohnson> Ok.
[22:29] <martii> domjohnson: otherwise it might be old HDD fireing up
[22:30] <domjohnson> Ok.
[22:30] <domjohnson> Will do that in the morning - quite tired now, might end up messing something up...wouldn't be good lol
[22:30] <domjohnson> What does 'bad1' mean?
[22:40] <marsilainen> 'lo
[22:41] <marsilainen> is there some package I can add to get an audio equalizer?
[22:41] <marsilainen> primarily for listening to music through rhythmbox
[22:41] <marsilainen> I was hoping maybe there is something at pulseaudio level?
[22:41] <marsilainen> I think the output from my soundcard is pretty poor
[22:51] <marsilainen> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/09/download-pulseaudio-system-wide.html
[23:44] <UndiFineD> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7607669/2010-12-04%2000.14.14.jpg