=== MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [03:31] [Jono Bacon] Ubuntu 11.04 Alpha 1 Released: Time To Test! - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/03/ubuntu-11-04-alpha-released-time-to-test/ [06:31] [Scott James Remnant] Event matching in Upstart - http://www.netsplit.com/2010/12/03/event-matching-in-upstart/ [06:44] morning all :) [06:56] https://lists.uknof.org.uk/pipermail/uknof/2010-December/000760.html [06:56] the ipv4 end is neigh [06:56] nigh even [07:01] bye lubotu3 [07:46] aloha === njpatel is now known as njpatel_ [07:48] morning czajkowski :) [07:52] morning all [07:53] MOOoo [07:54] :D [07:54] \o/ Friday [07:54] FTW! [07:58] Morning all [08:00] DaisyTheCow, good morning [08:04] got into my car this morning to a -10 on the dashboard temp, thought it was a tag cold. [08:11] ooooo irc membership....... [08:12] (2010-12-02 16:25:27) screen-x: mmm ubuntu irc-members, I guess you need more of a contribution than "makes sarcastic comments in #ubuntu-uk" [08:12] screen-x, rats ;) [08:13] well it counts me out anyway :p [08:13] screen-x, well yeah me too, but it's something to work for...... [08:13] coffee and donut anyone......ah bum, that won't help either... [08:13] have to be a catalyst.. [08:13] screen-x, couldn't we all just snog popey ? [08:14] soo, MooDoo, how can I help you to support the ubuntu users of the uk? [08:14] * screen-x is not up for snogging popey or ipopey [08:14] screen-x, well i have this boil :) [08:15] in other news... piwik is awesome [08:15] screen-x, do this - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/100UsersProject then support the users in this channel :D [08:15] and it has mobile apps to go with it :) [08:17] Hmm, I have introduced people to ubuntu, but not many have been up for switching. [08:18] screen-x, yeah same here, i managed to switch one when they were sick of getting viruss all the time [08:19] screen-x, they are amazed that i can fix their machine remotely via ssh :D [08:19] :) [08:20] screen-x, i also installed unity the other day to see what it's like and get used to it before natty [08:23] I'll have to check my 3d hardware is up to that.. [08:23] do you happen to know if the intel integrated graphics in the i3/i5 cpus+chipsets will be up to that? [08:24] i'm not sure...... [08:25] I don't know either, but I need to order some workstations for work, and if unity is going take over, I need to make sure they can run it. [08:26] The workstations here currently have nasty s3 graphics chipsets that don't can't run compiz, but that's not a problem in 8.04 as we just use metacity. [08:26] I don't think unity will be any more stressful than compiz for the graphics hardware [08:27] damn it i can't find my old mp3 player, just as i found 2 had drives to put in it [08:27] AlanBell: good to hear :) [08:27] and it runs on the graphics chipset that goes with the Atom, the i3 will have no trouble at all with it [08:28] anyone know where my old mp3 player is i can't find it [08:29] it is down the back of the sofa [08:29] and certainly isn't on IRC [08:29] morning o/ [08:30] the gma 950 is about the same as a geforce 6 [08:30] newer intel graphics are better than that [08:30] so they are fine for compiz [08:30] the gma950 isn't remotely as good as geforce 6 [08:30] maybe 6200 [08:31] 6200 is geforce 6 [08:31] not only that but it is more than enough for compiz [08:31] AlanBell, well its not there :( [08:32] nperry, oh there you are perry [08:32] saying "6200 is geforce 6" is like saying "the aston martin cygnet is an aston martin" [08:32] what, you mean totally correct? [08:33] i prefer nvidea [08:34] pretty much any card with NPOT is good enough for compiz, since you're talking about a dozen polygons [08:34] the SNES would do that many [08:34] you need render to texture extension too [08:34] and decent fill rate [08:34] directhex, are you saying the SNES can run compiz? [08:35] Phineas: well, probably not. SuperFX didn't do texturing... but you get my point [08:35] is your point that you didn't have coffe yet and just arguing for the sake of it? [08:35] the only reason older cards don't do compiz isn't the lack of power, it's the lack of some simple gl extensions [08:36] are SNK still in business? [08:37] Phineas: Indeed :) [08:37] Phineas: they were bought & sold... so yes-ish [08:38] and SNK platforms don't do 3d, they're just *amazing* at 2d fillrate & scaling [08:38] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNK_Playmore#Rebirth [08:38] directhex, so the games for it that say 3D are just not 3D [08:39] running on MVS? yep. [08:41] exit [08:41] console games have always been full of misinformation when it comes to "3d" [08:42] i'm pretty sure donkey kong country was sold as a 3d game [08:42] nperry, stage left? [08:42] it was one of the first games to use 2d sprites rendered from 3d models, rather than hand-drawn [08:42] the lies about the atari jaguar were more blatant [08:43] then there's killer instinct on n64, which was just 2d sprites over the most simple 3d background ever [08:43] hmm not sure I can make it to work today, and if I do, there is no guarantee I can get home [08:43] :s [08:44] czajkowski, would they mind you working from home? [08:44] ali1234: i didn't think the original KI had anything resembling 3d... paralax, sure, but everything used paralax. [08:44] the original didn't, then they released the n64 version and they were like "now with 3d graphics!!!" [08:44] but it was just some lame backgrounds [08:46] MooDoo: Nope had I my work laptop, I did mail home some things as I had said I'd come in later when the trains warm up [08:46] but yesterday afternoon there were no trains to Woking for 4 hours [08:46] :s [08:46] czajkowski, i wouldn't risk it to be honest.....stay at home with coffee, work and us :) [08:47] heh [08:48] czajkowski, you miss my prods :) oh yeah prod prod [08:50] Morning earthlings [08:50] Good morning early morning zombies :) [08:50] Good morning folks, I hope people aren't too affected by the snow. [08:51] the ps2 has good graphics on some games, even the Gamecube has good graphics on one game [08:51] Which game has good graphics on the gamecube, Phineas? [08:51] if you're my friend on facebook, i've just uploaded a photo of my car temp -10 at 7:20 this morning [08:51] MooDoo: it's -14 here in Edinburgh ;-) [08:52] Had a lie in this morning. Kids off school again. [08:52] dwatkins, The Urbz and Sonic Adventure 2 Battle [08:52] dwatkins, pah looks like i'm having a hea wave then :D [08:52] MooDoo, a hea wave? [08:52] Phineas, heat [08:52] Morning [08:53] ali1234: KI gold, yes. [08:53] daubers, morning to you too [08:53] Phineas: the gamecube was MUCH more powerful than the ps2, entirely capable of good graphics. look at it this way, resident evil 4 on ps2 used gamecube-rendered video files for cut scenes that were engine-based on the cube. ps2 couldn't render them itself [08:54] Too bad they haven't kept up.. Wii can't handle HD graphics [08:55] doesn't need to. people buyint the wii only play wii sports anyway [08:55] The Wii isn't meant to handle good graphics, though, it's meant to be cheap and have motion sensors, I thought. [08:56] Horses for courses as they say. The Wii does what it's meant to do very well [08:59] http://twitpic.com/3cf4yr [08:59] bigcalm, rats you've beat me as well [08:59] Hehe [09:00] get it on the ubuntu-uk planet for a new meme ;) [09:01] ? [09:01] An HD Wii would certainly be nice but that would be ignoring the point, which is surely the innovation. [09:01] directhex, is the dreamcast better than the gamecube [09:01] Phineas: not in terms of hardware... but it's pretty awesome anyway [09:02] More powerful consoles might take you down the same road faster, but with motion control and touch interfaces and so on the DS and Wii would take you down different roads entirely, to paraphrase one of my favourite quotes. [09:03] directhex, is the neo-geo pocket colour a good console? [09:03] i was never a huge fan of NGPC [09:03] bigcalm, i was just thinking of another meme for the planet, we've not had one for ages, whos got the coldest car lol [09:03] not to say it's bad, but most SNK properties do badly on that screen [09:03] I see [09:03] I don't subscribe to the planet [09:04] directhex, the down side is that the neo - geo pocket colur didn't have a backlight [09:05] Speaking of backlights, do you guys think that the new Kindle will be any good? [09:05] I'm being kindly informed by LiveJournal that my own birthday is coming up. [09:06] Somehow, I think I didn't need a reminder for that. [09:06] DanielRM, so is mine [09:06] DanielRM: Depends if you've contracted altzeimers recently [09:06] Phineas: woo, we're almost the birthday boys! *high five* [09:06] daubers: true, or if you're old enough that you'd rather forget, I suppose. [09:07] * Phineas give DanielRM a hight five [09:07] Um. [09:07] Actually I fail somewhat. [09:07] It would appear that I did need a reminder. I thought it was four or five days away. [09:07] It's tomorrow. :-/ [09:08] quickly doesn't half pull in a lot of dependancies these days [09:08] daubers: tell me, do you have any advice regarding Alzheimer's, as it would appear I need help?... [09:09] DanielRM, i've got 2 weeks yet [09:09] daubers: what's quickly? [09:09] DanielRM: I did but I forgot... [09:09] Tch. Fat lot of good you are. :) [09:10] Phineas: two weeks today or just roughly? [09:10] DanielRM, roughly [09:10] DanielRM: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Quickly [09:11] daubers: I found that, but I think I've gone too much without sleep to understand it. [09:12] DanielRM: It's a templating system (essentially) for starting new programming projects [09:12] With heavy integration into the Ubuntu platform from what I read? [09:12] Probably [09:12] Hehe. [09:13] I need to write 500 more words on this essay to hand in for 4. That would be doable if my brain hadn't curled up in the foetal position and started crying to itself hours ago. [09:13] yeah, in *python*. yuck! [09:14] I'm now quite frankly sick to death of writing about Hitler's decision to invade the Soviet Union. [09:14] yester day i was: http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3600000/Phineas-phineas-and-ferb-3677056-500-588.jpg [09:14] And I feel like I've somehow Godwinned my own life. :( [09:15] On the plus side, reading through German Foreign Office telegrams is actually quite interesting. [09:16] * daubers burns natty alpha 1 to CD [09:16] * czajkowski hugs Ng THANK YOU!!! [09:16] Is the alpha running Unity yet? [09:17] Hmmm.... need a bigger CD [09:17] Heh. [09:17] DanielRM, yes, but things like the ubuntu logo thing, aren't there [09:18] DanielRM, i think the beta utility is running [09:19] DanielRM, from jono - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/11/30/testing-natty-and-unity-safely-with-a-usb-stick/ [09:19] Ah, OK. Does the interface actually seem suited for the desktop? I've never used Unity, although most UI innovation is welcome with me. [09:19] I have been using it since UDS [09:19] it kind of sucks a bit with multiple monitors [09:19] MooDoo: testing it safely? Pah! I'll be running it full-time once I get round to backing up my data. :) [09:19] i actually quite like it [09:20] Mornin all [09:20] AlanBell: how have you not taken your own life yet? [09:20] global menu isn't much fun [09:20] My Maverick install still has a few issues as a hangover from development actually. :-/ [09:20] can't double click the toolbar of a maximised window to restore it [09:20] i just made a joke with DanielRM and no one notaced [09:21] czajkowski: yw :) [09:21] windows on monitor 2 have menu on window 1 [09:21] Phineas: I didn't get it I'm afraid. :S [09:21] oh good, flash is going to stop sucking soon \o/ [09:21] some apps display their own menu which means you end up with two menus next to each other [09:21] gord: getting your hopes up a bit surely? [09:22] its using vdpau now [09:22] Phineas: try making a funnier joke next time [09:22] Hmmm, might actually work then. [09:22] DanielRM, you said "is the alpha utility running yet" and i said "i think the beta utility is running" get it now? [09:22] AlanBell, you you got the joke? [09:23] i think that joke only works if you pronounce "beta" wrong [09:23] such as it was [09:23] Phineas: if it involves a pronunciation pun such as dutchie suggests then I get it. [09:25] dutchie, yes you do have to prounounce "beta" wrong. [09:25] DanielRM, yeah it was [09:26] Phineas: sad to say, but I don't think I'd give up my day job if I were you. :( [09:26] Not that my jokes are any better, but still. [09:26] DanielRM, well i try to be funny [09:28] I like the one about the Vatican City being the only place in the world with two Popes per square kilometre. [09:28] The popey household probably has more though. [09:28] More so at Xmas [09:29] Morning popey [09:29] How are you this cold morning? [09:30] Lo [09:30] made it into work [09:30] so warm now :) [09:30] morning popey [09:30] I'm not sure if I can afford to put the gas on. I'm now jealous of anyone who's warm. [09:31] popey, very warm outside here [09:31] [Jamie Bennett] Linaro 11.05 Alpha-1 Released - http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/12/linaro-11-05-alpha-1-released/ [09:31] All you warm people: I hope you get snowballs put down the back of your shirts. It'll serve you right. [09:32] DanielRM, no snow here so no snowballs just waves to surf [09:33] Phineas: you're not making the bitterness go away, just so you know. :( [09:34] DanielRM, start building Qt, i'm sure you'll warm up once your cpu catches fire [09:35] gord: I could do that by playing Starcraft II, something which I'd find infinitely more entertaining and worthwhile. [09:35] I'm not a fan of Qt. [09:36] what is wrong with Qt? o_O [09:36] I tend not to like the feel of the applications. Something always seems wrong, used as I am to GTK. [09:37] yes i can save up for a new game console [09:38] Phineas: 3DS! [09:39] DanielRM, nope, heres a hint you said your not a fan of it [09:40] DanielRM, any idea wat it is? [09:41] Most consoles other than Nintendo ones fit that bill. [09:41] MooDoo: whoo working from home :) [09:42] I'm waffling so much in this essay. [09:42] 'Ultimately, though, there exists little evidence to suggest definitively in any particular direction the point at which the decision was firmly made to go to war with the Soviet Union, and indeed' [09:42] czajkowski, yay, awesome :) get the kettle on :D [09:43] care-- [09:44] Sympathetic popey is, well, not in the IRC channel today. :( [09:44] DanielRM, heres clue 2: its made by SNK, [09:44] NGPC? I don't think I gave an opinion on that. :-/ [09:44] DanielRM: i hate football, don't give a toss if the world cup is in another country [09:44] +1 popey [09:44] DanielRM, yeah thats the one [09:45] Direct Line sent me a text message this morning, telling me not to go driving anywhere soon [09:45] Hehe. [09:45] Phineas: I've not had an experience of SNK consoles so I don't have an opinion either way to be honest. [09:46] popey: I do believe there would need to be a name change though. [09:46] I gave my SNK Neo Geo 6-slot to London Hack Space [09:46] :O [09:46] get me to london, stat! [09:46] and someone fire popey! [09:46] :) [09:46] roll on 2015 when the rugby world cup is in Englad :D [09:46] also gave them a cabinet [09:46] ;'( [09:46] i kept all my JAMMA games tho [09:47] czajkowski, should be interesting :D now you're in the UK :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Rugby_World_Cup [09:47] We gave the world so many sports and how do they repay us? By thrashing us at every one. [09:48] I may be gone by then who knos [09:48] DanielRM: que? rename what? [09:48] Not that I particularly mind. [09:48] czajkowski, how can i buy you rugby beer if you're not in the country.......*sulks* ;) [09:49] popey: I assumed you were making a joke about the war with the Soviet Union. I think the Soviet Union as such doesn't really exist nowadays, so just 'Russia' tends to do. [09:49] I was not. [09:49] how come laptops always sound tiny when you play music through them? [09:49] popey: then why mention football? [09:49] because they have crap speakers [09:49] because there isn't enough space for proper speakers [09:49] DanielRM: why not? [09:50] what they said [09:50] apple ones aren't too bad though for speakers [09:50] popey: fair enough. [09:50] Indeed [09:50] the speakers on my MBP are better than any other laptop I've owned [09:50] Quite. [09:51] including the dell XPS which allegedly had a subwoofer [09:51] (which was a lie) [09:51] Apple seem to have superb audio hardware in general in my experience. [09:51] uhm, nah [09:51] ipod headphones are the worst [09:51] :-/ [09:51] the audio chips in ipods are cheap crap [09:51] well both of my laptops sound tiny whatsoever [09:51] I've always found them quite good. [09:51] o_O [09:52] ipod headphones (the white ones) leak _badly_ [09:52] Best headphones I ever used were ipod ones. [09:52] you need new ears [09:52] or better music [09:52] Although this may be saying more about how rubbish the other headphones were. [09:52] or a wider selection of headphones to test [09:52] I've not had much experience outside of 99p ones from the supermarket. [09:52] right, [SLAM] case closed [09:53] * DanielRM jumps at the loud noise. [09:53] I currently have Zaag ones which are okay, but nothing great [09:53] I probably do need new ears anyway. [09:53] popey, you in a mood this morning? [09:53] popey, well i do have music that sounds good on headphones but tiny on loudspeaker (laptop by stone computers and laptop by toshiba) [09:53] nope [09:53] Phineas: I think you mean tinny? [09:53] My friend spent a fortune on Bose speakers once but I couldn't tell the difference from the speakers that came with the computer. [09:53] Phineas: its due to the crap speakers [09:55] popey, alogh i only just notace how crap the speakers are when i removed the headphones (for the first time in 3 years) and kaboom huge diffrence [09:56] bose suck [09:56] they're a marketing company, their technology is flat-out wrong [09:56] Phineas: I assume you spent most of the past three years not being able to hear anything other than your computer? [09:56] * daubers makes some notes on a bug [09:56] * MooDoo makes a coffee and prods czajkowski [09:57] DanielRM, nope i just only used headphones with my computer [09:57] directhex: I bow to your superior knowledge on this issue. As can probably be seen I'm an audiophile's worst nightmare. [09:57] oh, I'm no audiophile [09:57] DanielRM: i'm not an audiophile... i just know you're meant to cover the human audible range, and not have a huge gap in the middle [09:57] * daubers loves his sennheiser headphones [09:57] i setup some cheep 5.1 surround sound on my desktop last week, makes me very happy :) [09:57] I tend to lump in anyone who knows more than me about audio as an audiophile. [09:57] Which makes it a very broad category indeed. [09:57] and makes minecraft a thousand times scarier [09:58] i love my el-cheapo sennheiser hd212 headphones [09:58] There are bits of damp moss growing on the underside of drains which know more about audio than me. [09:58] I've got some hd415 headphones, they are ok :) [09:58] i also love my el-cheepo sennheiser PC350 headphones [09:58] 1 word for cheap headphones , poundland (or wallmart) [10:00] http://www.intellexual.net/faq/am15freqa.jpg [10:00] popey: Mine aree HD415 :) [10:00] Want some of the wireless ones, but not yet won the lottery [10:01] curse you, ebuyer, for advertising your wares to me.... [10:01] daubers: don't get the sennheiser wireless headphones that use FM [10:01] they're awful [10:01] Ng: Noted [10:01] I have Sennheiser HD 201s, they're excellent, but wired. [10:01] heavy, poor quality sound and they fall off your head if you even think about looking up or down [10:02] I use them for when I'm doing tv/movie/ps3 stuff and my gf is snoozing on the sofa, but it's not a particularly pleasant aural experience :( [10:02] Ng: This was what I was thinking of http://www.sennheiser.co.uk/uk/home_en.nsf/root/private_headphones_wireless-headphones_502873 [10:03] daubers: those look better in almost every way than the analogue ones I have :) [10:04] Ng: £Too much though :( [10:04] * popey points and laughs at sennheiser for using Lotus Domino! [10:05] home_en.nsf indeed [10:05] *chortle* [10:05] daubers: how about using a phone as a playback device? AirSync seems to work well for synchronising, too. [10:05] dwatkins: You wah? [10:05] daubers: do you have a smartphone? [10:06] Are there any good phone speakers though? [10:06] I use my phone with headphones mostly, DanielRM [10:06] the built in speaker on the iphone is surprisingly good [10:06] dwatkins: Yep, can't listen to the Wii or somesuch through it though [10:06] DanielRM: yeah, there's an htc WP7 phone designed for use as a speaker-based music player [10:06] dwatkins: ah. [10:06] ah I see, daubers [10:06] better than the n82 or HTC hero I had before it [10:06] Argh. [10:07] popey: I have an iPhone too, been listening to lots of audio books on it recently. May switch to android again soon, though. [10:07] http://www.htc.com/www/product/7mozart/overview.html [10:07] I thought the essay was 500 words shorter than it actually was. [10:07] There may even be an app for Android that does sound via bluetooth or wifi [10:07] * daubers waits to see of unity works [10:07] Hi fidelity.. what is this, 1970? [10:07] get your quadrophonic speakers! [10:08] don't forget the 2 metre diameter audio cable... [10:08] ooooooh shiny [10:09] hi fidelity? isn't that from fame ;) [10:09] Hmmm... no applications pane thingy at the moment then [10:09] popey: what was that about surround? http://www.htc.com/www/product/7surround/overview.html [10:09] oh jeez [10:10] my _car_ even has Dolby Pro-Logic! [10:10] popey: The volvo?? [10:10] yes [10:10] Blimey [10:10] Was that an option? [10:11] I didn't buy it from new [10:11] so I didn't specify it as such [10:11] do sd cards have to have a physical lock switch? [10:12] Ah ok [10:12] screen-x, yes i do beleive they do, [10:12] screen-x: Mine do [10:12] yes [10:12] * daubers needs to dash to his parents and sell his car [10:13] .. and hide the bodies [10:13] Or just get them out of the boot.... [10:14] The lock is the only part of an sd card that has failed for me so far, I was hoping to be able buy one without.. [10:14] microsd cards don't have them.. [10:17] BOFH question: should I allocate more space to /home, or tell people to delete stuff? [10:17] yes [10:22] screen-x: What MartijnVdS said, yes. [10:22] hmmm I thought that might be the answer. [10:23] I have plenty of spare space, but the snapshots already take ages, and I'm not sure people _need_ more space.. [10:23] howdy [10:24] howdy howdy howdy [10:24] morning andylockran [10:24] morning guys [10:24] how's things? [10:24] I gave my girlfriend a box with a little bit of water in it for Christmas. [10:24] She said " What's this about " [10:25] I said " Well it was snow: [10:25] she said - " well it's the thaw-t that counts" [10:25] ahhaha [10:25] http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ [10:26] I thought that was particularly good. [10:27] more of a http://budumtsch.popey.com than a http://tumbleweed.popey.com/ [10:27] 404 - humour not found :) [10:27] Ha [10:27] ok [10:27] http://tarby.popey.com/ then [10:27] I love not making a coffee at work for about a week now. [10:28] or http://joke.popey.com/ [10:28] Every else seems to have the idea first [10:28] nperry: I think that makes it your roudn [10:28] A new The Infinite Money Cage. Yay [10:28] yay [10:29] popey: why were you ipopey for a while yesterday? [10:29] because I was connected from an apple device [10:29] isn't that par for the course? [10:29] isnt what? [10:30] ignore me, so you are ipopey in colloquy.. that makes sense. [10:30] ya [10:31] Doh, I actually listened to this ep. on an actual radio [10:32] Heh police checking out cctv for some reg plate theifs, car pulls up and two men get out with screwdrivers [10:33] How many pikeys does it take to unscrew a reg plate :( [10:33]