[00:05] <iheartubuntu> i remember nhaines or someone here was an HDD expert? ive got a baraccuda seagate drive thats not showing up anymore. i dont know if its fried or what. anything i can do to get it working again? gparted cannot see it. seagate utilities found on ultimate boot cd cannot find it either.
[00:05] <iheartubuntu> when i try installing ubuntu it says i need hard drive drivers and gives me a list to pick from, but i have no clue which one to use
[00:07] <seidos> iheartubuntu, that's great, but i'm in san francisco now, and looking for something local.  btw, are you faring well?
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> im faring OK
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> how is SF?
[00:08] <iheartubuntu> i bet union square looks nice with all the decorations
[00:08]  * pleia2 is heading down there this evening
[00:09] <pleia2> I caught a glimpse of it coming home the other day, very pretty :)
[00:09]  * iheartubuntu misses it up there
[00:10] <iheartubuntu> was going to go up for my bday in NOV but saved $ and went to jay leno show which was free
[00:10] <pleia2> darn being responsible :)
[00:10] <iheartubuntu> i told him his show was my favorite, but only the monologue since i usually fall asleep after it :)
[00:11] <iheartubuntu> seidos, im sure its easy to get to petaluma from SF
[00:12] <seidos> iheartubuntu, never heard of petaluma
[00:12] <pleia2> you need a car
[00:12] <pleia2> maybe an hour north?
[00:13] <pleia2> 45 minutes?
[00:13] <seidos> i'm not wasting 45 minutes worth of gas to buy seeds :/
[00:13] <seidos> i am too 'po
[00:15] <iheartubuntu> no bus?
[00:15] <iheartubuntu> heck, id hitch hike
[00:15] <iheartubuntu> no train?
[00:17] <pleia2> caltrain goes south, bart goes south and west, I don't think any trains go north
[00:18] <seidos> have you ever hitch hiked in your life?
[00:18] <seidos> well, i'd still have to pay for the trip :/
[00:19] <seidos> hitch hiking is a last resort kind of thing.
[00:19] <seidos> hmmm, well so is living here...
[00:20] <iheartubuntu> amtrak... 2 hours
[00:20] <iheartubuntu> train from OAK to martinez, ca then bus to petaluma
[00:22] <iheartubuntu> $60 tho on amtrak RT
[00:23] <iheartubuntu> I know a guy named Big Larry who drives truck. I can give you his number.
[00:23] <iheartubuntu> :D
[00:25] <iheartubuntu> seidos, have you joined freecycle.org up there?
[00:27] <seidos> nah, my dad has a bike.  i did meet a group of misfits at the recreation center on 6th though
[00:27] <seidos> he said i could have it, but i really have no place to ride to
[00:28] <seidos> 100w light bulbs
[01:25] <kdub_> hey DarkwingDuck
[01:25] <DarkwingDuck> Hey kdub_?
[01:28]  * kdub_ is trying to figure out another SD ubuntuhour location
[01:28] <kdub_> if you have any suggestions
[01:28] <kdub_> i feel the coffee shop last time was too smal
[01:30] <DarkwingDuck> It was a bit small...
[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> We want to keep it in the point loma area?
[01:35] <kdub_> eh, I'd be fine moving it somewhere else
[01:35] <kdub_> phil doesnt have a car though
[01:37] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, we'll keep it up there for him... There a bookstore in that area with a coffee shop like thing?
[01:39] <kdub_> not sure, i'll probably have to investigate a bit
[01:40] <kdub_> so, lets keep it there, the 18th is probably the best date this month
[01:40] <kdub_> considering holidays
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I'll should be able to make it.
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> I'm gonna let KPLUG know
[01:43] <kdub_> actually, i dunno so much about the 18th, i'll figure it out once i get back to my calendar
[01:44] <kdub_> at any rate, sometime around then
[01:44] <kdub_> i'll keep you in the loop
[01:46]  * kdub_ is at s-bucks now
[01:46] <kdub_> they sure make them small out here, MI's starbucks are practically warehouses ;-)
[01:50] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah, I know that feeling... The Starbucks up by Midway is a bit bigger
[02:50] <MarkDude> grantbow, are you going to Jono's show tomorrow in SF?
[03:52]  * MarkDude pats Eureka on the head 
[03:59] <MarkDude> Let me know G- if you are driving I will pitch in gas $
[04:00] <pleia2> california has ruined me already, I called 54F "cold"
[04:00] <akk> heh
[04:01] <akk> I was listening to Car Talk last week, and this woman called in about how she has a newish SUV but it doesn't have heated seats, and it's so cold she doesn't drive anywhere any more
[04:02] <akk> and they said "Wait, you're in Oxnard? How cold does it get there?" and she said "It's SOO COOOOLD! This week it got down into the fifties!"
[04:02] <akk> She didn't get much sympathy from Click & Clack. :)
[04:02] <pleia2> haha, yeah, a friend of mine in philly told me about that car talk episode when I told them it was cold here :)
[06:53] <dragon> Anyone got a link for Jono's event in SF tomorrow?
[07:12] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158257237548249
[07:13] <MarkDude> \m/      \m/
[07:16] <dragon> woot.
[07:37] <MarkDude> Dude, check out this http://zareason.com/shop/Submit-Action-Shots.html
[07:39] <MarkDude> Sort of a low-rent contest, but cool nonetheless, imo
[08:35] <dragon> MarkDude: is that a real zareason poster?
[08:36] <MarkDude> No, Gimp does perspective well enough
[08:37] <dragon> lol that's what I though
[08:38] <MarkDude> I use the time on BART to do pics when I am not wasting it playing games
[08:41] <MarkDude> http://picasaweb.google.com/tuxwingsgroup/Pictures#5546372914659068994
[08:42] <dragon> hah, that's a nice one1
[08:42] <MarkDude> Good abbreviation- ftp- fear the Penguin
[08:44] <dragon> and HTTP?
[08:45]  * MarkDude will work on that as well as other protocols 
[08:45] <dragon> s/protocols/penguins/
[08:46] <MarkDude> Yes , but your comment made me aware that there are other iteration I could attend to
[08:47] <dragon> yep, nice idea
[08:47] <dragon> btw is nixie attending jono's event tomorrow?
[08:47] <MarkDude> Oh, wearing black to the show would be a good idea
[08:47] <MarkDude> No collars
[08:48] <MarkDude> Or sweaters
[08:48] <MarkDude> I dont think so
[08:48] <MarkDude> Nixie is still recovering from her time at the loft
[08:49] <MarkDude> I think we have her for CLS tho
[08:49] <dragon> lol, recovering.
[08:49]  * MarkDude misses the hottub
[08:50] <MarkDude> Do you know any caterers?
[08:51]  * MarkDude is the dinner coordinator for CLS party at the bohemian loft
[08:51] <dragon> caterers? Yes, a bunch of Indian restaurants.
[08:51] <dragon> My dad knows them personally, so I could talk to him.
[08:51] <MarkDude> Well, we already have Indian food
[08:52] <dragon> wait, the one at the loft? Is that before or after the event?
[08:52] <MarkDude> same people as last lunch
[08:52] <dragon> oh, that was really nice.
[08:52] <MarkDude> after the event
[08:52] <MarkDude> Everyone liked them so they are already approved
[08:52] <dragon> awesome.
[08:53] <MarkDude> we have two people for doing a Tea Ceremony for the dinner
[08:53] <dragon> hmm, caterers other than indian places? Can't really recall any off the top of my head.
[08:53] <dragon> Tea Ceremony?
[08:54] <MarkDude> Yep
[08:54]  * MarkDude looks for link
[08:55] <MarkDude> http://www.medicinebuddhas.org/
[08:55] <MarkDude> It looks as if we may be able to teach some classes there
[08:56] <MarkDude> Im leaning on Karsten to do one in Feb
[08:56] <dragon> interesting
[08:56] <MarkDude> Well yes it is
[08:56] <MarkDude> very interesting
[08:57] <MarkDude> At a place started by Master Wang in 2005
[08:58] <dragon> I wasn't aware of this
[08:58] <MarkDude> Neither was I.
[08:58]  * MarkDude hopes to see it before Xmas
[09:00] <MarkDude> I need to get a caterer that has some food that will work with the vibe, and has a decent vegetarian option
[09:04] <MarkDude> Did you hear the one about the Buddhist that walked up to the hot dog vendor and asked him to make - him one with Everything?
[09:05] <dragon> hah
[09:05] <dragon> I'll keep looking for options
[11:29] <nUboon2Age> Ubuntu Manual Officially Recognized By Canonical [Updated] (& Ubuntu Dev Manual too) http://www.muktware.com/n/02/2010/547
[12:17] <nUboon2Age> okay, here's a better URL: http://dindafoss.wordpress.com/2010/12/02/ubuntu-developer-manual-project/
[12:18] <nUboon2Age> nhaines: the Ubuntu One for Window beta is public, not private, so your e-mail was completely unecessary (and had a very unpleasant tone to it too btw)
[14:01] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[14:25] <nUboon2Age> Dec 9, The Ubuntu Hour: San Jose/Silicon Valley http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/585/detail/;  Dec 16th: Mountain View/Silicon Valley http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/team/550/detail/  akk, aaditya, crashsystems, FashionGirl, jamal, jledbetter, jtatum, MarkDude, pleia2, Yasumoto, phildini, mcgrof_, jb
[14:50] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UbuntuHours edited
[15:08] <nUboon2Age> jledbetter: i see you did your first edition of "The Ubuntu Hour: Newport News"; congrats!
[15:09] <jledbetter> nUboon2Age, Thank you :) Was fun.
[16:20] <nhaines> nUboon2Age: the Ubuntu One for Wnidows beta is public but is a closed beta, so your email was irresonsible (and extremely disappointing).
[16:31] <nUboon2Age> nhaines: you're e-mail and now this have a very disrespectful tone imo.  i won't reply further to that kind of garbage
[16:32] <nhaines> nUboon2Age: what's garbage is signing up for a closed beta and then giving out access information.  And then pretending that it's not closed.
[16:32] <nUboon2Age> nhaines: i'm blocking you now
[16:33] <nhaines> nUboon2Age: you can fuck yourself, too.
[16:34] <nUboon2Age> czajkowski: , jussi, paulproteus, please observe what nhaines just wrote here ^^
[16:35] <nhaines> nUboon2Age: they swear constantly all the time in this channel.
[16:39] <nhaines> nUboon2Age: but, if you want to call attention to yourself being untrustworthy, be my guest.
[16:45] <czajkowski> nhaines: could you please mind your langauge
[16:45] <jdeslip> nhaines: Well, cursing at someone is slightly different.  nUboon2Age:  Please do realize that your latest contributions to the mailing list have been off-topic and distracting at best. Grant and Nathan had valid points. Please try to learn from that instead of taking personal offense.
[16:46] <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: i accept your point, but at the same time imo there is no excuse for the harsh unpleasant tone that both grant and nathan have taken.  could it be related to the fact i recommended neither of them be allowed to run for Council?  i think absolutely yes.
[16:46] <nhaines> czajkowski: please do the same, thanks.
[16:47] <czajkowski> nhaines: mine is fine in here.
[16:48] <nhaines> czajkowski: I believe that had logging been implemented earlier that would be demonstratibly false.
[16:48] <nhaines> nUboon2Age: you assume too much.
[16:50] <jdeslip> nUboon2Age: I think we all tend to take criticism a bit more personally than an outside observer would see it. Either way, nothing good comes of escalating things into personal conflicts.
[16:54] <jussi> awesome:  The Finnish Police has 100.000 fans on Facebook - in comparison the FBI has only 65.000. Finns really do trust their authorities.
[16:55] <jdeslip> Anyway, nhaines: I recognize you are frustrated, but cursing at people is not acceptable in the channel, regardless of who has done it before.
[16:55]  * MarkDude doubts that is really nhaines - even during arguments he is more respectful than that
[16:56] <jussi> argh, gotta run. laters.
[16:56] <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: your phrase 'escalating things into personal conflicts' ignores the reality.  these are two people who seem to be bent on vengence for my having recommended (and the LoCo Council accepting) they not participate in leadership for a time.
[16:56] <jdeslip> nuboon2Age: neither is constantly carring a victim complex and posting snarky comments about people.
[16:57] <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: your statement is evidence and merit-free
[16:58] <jdeslip> nUboon2Age: they are two people who had legitimate complaints about your recent emails. You chose to connect those comments to personal conflict.
[16:59]  * MarkDude would suggest this being a reaction to the recent overreaction that occured in this Team
[17:00] <nUboon2Age> jdeslip: actually neither were legitimate complaints
[17:00] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, what is this regarding- may I aask?
[17:01] <MarkDude> BTW, you do see how the false dilemma you pointed to a while ago about factions does not really hold true
[17:02] <MarkDude> Since the shake up here, I have been in agreement with nhaines on quite a bit
[17:02] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: the factions thing is true though you deny it.
[17:02]  * MarkDude *still* would have voted for him had he been allowed to run
[17:02] <MarkDude> step back for a moment
[17:03] <MarkDude> me was arguing with nhaines  when you 1st said that
[17:03] <pleia2> nhaines: cursing at people in ubuntu channels really isn't cool :( I understand your frustration but there are better ways to handle things
[17:03]  * nUboon2Age palms face.  MarkDude yeah and just see what kind of situation we'd be in with nathan, grant, neal and mark .
[17:03] <MarkDude> since then I have been at least 70%+ agreement with him- minus dropping an F-bomb
[17:04] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, the factions thing does not hold water- since the shake up- I have apparently been in a faction with nhaines  and Flannel
[17:04] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: changing subjects to a productive item, could you please point me to the url of jono's thing again?
[17:04] <MarkDude> ?
[17:04] <MarkDude> np
[17:05] <MarkDude> http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=158257237548249
[17:05] <MarkDude> Also since that time- I dont think that grantbow and I have agreed on much at all
[17:06] <MarkDude> Yet again- the faction thing does not hold water
[17:06] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: you gotta know that i am a big appreciator of most of what you contribute.  i hope to see you there this evening amigo
[17:06] <MarkDude> I will be there
[17:06] <nhaines> jdeslip: You're right, and I apologize.  (pleia2, you're right too, of course.)
[17:06] <nUboon2Age> i hope i can make it too MarkDude
[17:06] <MarkDude> Not your fault btw nUboon2Age -
[17:07] <iheartubuntu> factions? in ubuntu-us-ca?
[17:08] <nUboon2Age> iheartubuntu: :-)
[17:08] <nUboon2Age> MarkDude: ty and i hope to see ya later mi amigo
[17:08]  * MarkDude motions to the council folks if anyone wants to point fingers. You cant act as heavy handed as happened- and *NOT* expect some sort of pushback, along with others feeeling the need to step back a bit. If participation involves risking a public callout- along with the whole public shame deal
[17:08] <iheartubuntu> im more of a fraction, than a faction :)
[17:08] <nUboon2Age> i'm out for now...
[17:08] <MarkDude> ttyl nUboon2Age
[17:09] <pleia2> MarkDude: I'm afraid I'm not understanding how this is ongoing pushback from the changes the LC made, it mostly sounds like people are taking things *far* too personally
[17:10]  * MarkDude wants to do his best Al Pacino impersonation now http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=1722
[17:11] <MarkDude> You're out of order, you are out of order
[17:11]  * MarkDude is not taking anything here personally
[17:12] <MarkDude> yes pleia2 I remember saying the reaction here *actually* had the result of polarization
[17:12] <MarkDude> that was the word I believe Drew meant
[17:12] <MarkDude> He was correct in that
[17:12] <pleia2> I don't think grantbow or nhaines meant for their emails to be insulting, they asked questions about the content, it was not personal
[17:12] <MarkDude> Ok
[17:13] <MarkDude> Others may be seeing something that may not even exist
[17:13] <MarkDude> Again, polarization
[17:13] <pleia2> and this polarization has existed for a very long time in this team
[17:13] <MarkDude> Some of it has changed tho
[17:13] <pleia2> I think those of us who are here and regularly talking need to give each other a break and try to move forward
[17:14] <pleia2> it will go a long way to help if we let things slide from time to time and don't assume the worst of each other
[17:14] <MarkDude> Like for example- my being polarized to agree with 2 of the 4 bad folks
[17:14] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: +++
[17:14] <seidos> good morning all
[17:15] <pleia2> morning seidos
[17:15] <seidos> yeah, i guess there isn't much good about it
[17:15] <iheartubuntu> guten tag!
[17:15] <MarkDude> true pleia2 , but, people are still aware that they are at risk of being censured- that lesson was very obvious
[17:15] <MarkDude> nonsense seidos it is a great morning
[17:15] <seidos> buenas iheartubuntu
[17:15] <pleia2> MarkDude: risk of being censured?
[17:16] <seidos> may it be so MarkDude
[17:16] <nUboon2Age> From UbuntuOne irc channel:
 joshoover: i'm confused.  is it bad for me to have fwd your note on Windows beta to Ubuntu-california e-mail list?  i thought it was a public beta.  did i get that wrong?  many apologies if so.
[17:16] <nUboon2Age> [09:13] <joshuahoover> nUboon2Age: no, no problem at all...we're going to open it up completely on tuesday anyway...we figured people would start sharing the link sooner anyway :)
[17:16] <MarkDude> Yes. putting of names on bad lists
[17:16] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: advertising a private beta is very bad form, I don't think nhaines meant any personal offense when he replied to your email
[17:17] <pleia2> presumably it's private for a reason, the ubuntu california mailing list has a lot of people on it and it's searchable by google
[17:17] <MarkDude> Um I dont know if I ever seen an F-bomb dropped here
[17:17] <pleia2> MarkDude: he apologized, it's time to move on :)
[17:18] <MarkDude> I mean I have seen people's parentage questioned, s-bombs , etc
[17:18] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: actually the point is that if he simply wanted to ask me he should have done it in private and he made several false assumption which he polluted the ML and here with.
[17:18] <pleia2> MarkDude: "putting names on list" was a very extreme case of problems brewing over several years, I don't think people are more worried now than they were before about getting into trouble
[17:19] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: and maybe even more importantly the extremely aggressive tone he took in all of the above belied his negative intent.
[17:19] <MarkDude> pleia2, GK does have some very active FOSS folks in it
[17:19] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: I think you're application of "extremely aggressive tone" is misplaced
[17:19] <MarkDude> Ask them what they think could happen here
[17:19] <pleia2> you're taking it personally :(
[17:19] <MarkDude> pleia2,  is very right about that
[17:20] <pleia2> he even used "please"
[17:20] <pleia2> "Can you please explain why you forwarded an invitation to a closed public beta for Ubuntu One to an open list?"
[17:20] <pleia2> I don't read that as aggressive at all
[17:20] <MarkDude> Its artificially polarized- its not permanent by any eans
[17:20] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: we could go back line by line and see just how harsh his tone was from the beginning, both on e-mail and here
[17:20] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: but as i say
[17:20] <MarkDude> We can UNpolarize it- by just taking a step back
[17:21] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: at some point you need to step back and let go of the past :( it's really hurting us here, we need to move forward and stop assuming everything is an attack, it was a good question
[17:21] <MarkDude> nUboon2Age, step back and realize that most people in his position would most likely not be happy with you
[17:21] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: if he had good intent he would have done it in private.  obviously he had negative intent even before dropping the fbomb
[17:21] <MarkDude> regarding how the council stuff went
[17:21] <pleia2> nUboon2Age: I had the same question, it's good that it was asked on list
[17:22] <nUboon2Age> pleia2: asking a question:  good!  asking it with agreesive tone: very bad and very unUbuntu.  gotta run...
[17:22] <pleia2> in this case it's not a big deal that the public beta was leaked, but it can certainly paint you as untrustworthy for future betas
[17:22]  * pleia2 sighs
[17:23] <MarkDude> eff you, and you and you too :D
[17:23]  * MarkDude is kidding 
[17:24] <MarkDude> The common thread here is that people dont like their time wasted
[17:24] <seidos> people should learn how to skim emails maybe
[17:25] <jdeslip> True enough, so let's call this incident closed; so we can all go back to playing World of Goo...
[17:25] <pleia2> and angry birds
[17:25] <seidos> most of the stuff that comes on planet ubuntu is a waste of time for me, but i'm sure others might benefit from it.
[17:25]  * MarkDude suggests that it may take a bit of time for this whole *stand down* to fully take place
[17:25] <jdeslip> pleia2: do you have the new christmas edition?
[17:26] <MarkDude> How the hell did I take a step over to *reasonable land*
[17:26] <pleia2> jdeslip: nope
[17:26] <seidos> MarkDude, like you said, it's a great morning
[17:26] <pleia2> MarkDude: yeah, I think it'll just take time
[17:26]  * MarkDude is used to Lyz saying stuff to me about mellowing out :)
[17:26] <pleia2> and a lot of reminding each other that we need to forgive and try to move on and all that
[17:26]  * MarkDude agrees
[17:27] <jdeslip> Does anyone know what the policy is about installing paid software from the SC on different computers you own?
[17:27]  * MarkDude 's bringing it up is meant to acknowledge it - and ultimately let it be water under the bridge
[17:28] <MarkDude> jdeslip, um If not look on torrent sites
[17:28] <MarkDude> :D
[17:28] <jdeslip> I see there is an option on my desktop to install my previous purchases.  Just wondering if it is against the license.
[17:28] <pleia2> jdeslip: there is proably copyright info in the docs?
[17:29]  * MarkDude is slightly nervous about the pay for app solution
[17:29] <MarkDude> I mean when is mp3 going to be pay only
[17:30] <pleia2> for important things there will always be a free option in the open source world, someone will build it
[17:30] <MarkDude> It appears to be an Applization going on-
[17:30] <seidos> sharing is caring
[17:30] <MarkDude> seidos, I agree with the CareBears menatality
[17:30] <MarkDude> That is how I often describe FOSS to folks
[17:30] <seidos> MarkDude, who was the care bear with the clover?  i think he was my favorite one.
[17:31] <MarkDude> Luck bear?
[17:31]  * MarkDude 's sister had them
[17:31] <pleia2> I don't actually have an objection to paid software, if someone feels they need to get paid to make something that's fine with me, not everyone can have awesome job like me where I can work on foss at work :)
[17:31] <seidos> gah, i'll look it up.
[17:31] <seidos> i used to watch the cartoon
[17:31] <pleia2> and if it helps bring better software to ubuntu and convert more people - great!
[17:31]  * MarkDude does not object to the idea
[17:31] <MarkDude> Slippery slope....
[17:32] <MarkDude> It does create a wider gulf between Ubuntu and Fedora
[17:32] <pleia2> yeah, I don't think I buy the slippery slope argument
[17:32] <MarkDude> When they say free, they mean it
[17:32]  * jdeslip is really glad I can get World of Goo in SC instead of having to hunt it down on web
[17:33] <MarkDude> unless you want the whole package- in which case- you need to pay RH :)
[17:33] <pleia2> yeah, but there they have redhat (paid) and fedora (free), on the ubuntu side there is just ubuntu so there is a concession
[17:33] <pleia2> I tend to prefer the ubuntu approach, of course :)
[17:33] <pleia2> anyway, work time
[17:34] <MarkDude> True. The transition from Ubuntu free to paid- is much easier than Fedora to RH
[17:34] <akk> One possible slippery slope (though I'm all for having pay sw as well as free) is that communities that have a lot of pay software also tend not to have open source -- their freeware is binary freeware.
[17:34] <MarkDude> 2 differing distros
[17:34] <jdeslip> I think part of being open means you have to give your users the choice installing paid apps if they want.
[17:34] <akk> Having pay software options is great as long as you still encourage open source and make it seem like the default.
[17:34] <MarkDude> akk +1
[17:34] <MarkDude> Fine line, and NO it has not been crossed
[17:35]  * akk has been learning about Android these past few days, and getting frustrated at all the free-not-Free apps that *almost* do what I want, and if only I had the source so I could make that last little tweak ...
[17:35]  * MarkDude is still looking at that line
[17:35] <MarkDude> No doubt akk
[17:35]  * MarkDude is nervous about ZA selling an Android tablet
[17:35] <MarkDude> We want to have sources available
[17:35] <akk> I've wondered about that too, MarkDude.
[17:36] <akk> Too bad no one sells pure Linux tablets.
[17:36] <jdeslip> akk: a lot of android apps are open-source, too.  Mine are at least. :)
[17:36] <pleia2> MarkDude: ZA will be releasing the source, right?
[17:36] <pleia2> B&N did a lousy job with their Nook
[17:37] <akk> jdeslip: I've seen a few, but I've found it quite hard to find them. Is there a good repository of opensource android apps?
[17:37] <pleia2> and you'd be hard pressed to find the source for any of the dozens of cheapo tablets out there
[17:37] <MarkDude> pleia2,  it appears that way
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> Im worried some programs like GIMP, shotwell, Midori, etc might one day go for a fee.
[17:37] <MarkDude> We still are not 100% sure we will do it
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> Stuff I need/use
[17:37] <iheartubuntu> my bottom line is better because I use Ubuntu/linux OS
[17:37] <MarkDude> This is under frieNDA
[17:38] <akk> iheartubuntu: GIMP is a long long way from doing that -- it'll be one of the last to go that way. But I agree, some projects might.
[17:38] <pleia2> iheartubuntu: the source would still be available so there would be forks, I don't really worry about that sort of thing
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> im also more productive with a linux box instead of fighting viruses and pop up stuff on windows
[17:38] <MarkDude> akk http://zareason.com/shop/Submit-Action-Shots.html
[17:38] <iheartubuntu> if all the benefits of linux eventually disappear, then it wont matter what OS i use
[17:38] <jdeslip> MarkDude: the core of android is open-source.  certain google apps are not.
[17:38] <pleia2> MarkDude: yay it's fixed!
[17:38] <jdeslip> exit
[17:38] <akk> MarkDude: lol <3
[17:38] <MarkDude> After I did the perspective on the words on that poster- I thought of you akk
[17:39] <akk> Android is opensource, but I gather that device drivers for specific devices typically aren't?
[17:39] <iheartubuntu> but im on ubuntu #1 for my bottom line and #2 so i dont fund bill gates and his minions
[17:40] <nhaines> Since we're fond of recording things here, I asked for an Ubuntu One for Windows beta slot for a magazine article, and I had to be cleared by Cristian Parrino (directory of Online Service for Canonical).  They told me how many invites were going out and that they were going to stagger it out as needed, basically like they'd done for earlier betas they've done.
[17:40] <iheartubuntu> and #3 because of the community
[17:40] <akk> Like sheevaplugs -- you can build a kernel for them, you just can't build a kernel that can do wifi.
[17:40] <jdeslip> akk: ya, device drivers are not.  That is true even of most Ubuntu Video card and wireless drivers though
[17:40] <pleia2> nhaines: thank you
[17:41] <nhaines> so when I saw the ML email, I was surprised and concerned.  I didn't (and usually don't) have any personal attack in mind, and if it hadn't been a closed beta I *would* have asked privately.
[17:41] <nhaines> But I'm glad he went and got clarification from the U1 team and that there's no damage done.
[17:41] <nhaines> And I also hope we all knock this one out so they can go and do the Ubuntu One photos app for mobile.  :P
[17:42] <pleia2> u1 photo app would be nice
[17:42] <MarkDude> Its all good nhaines. You do lots of good stuff for the TEam and FOSS in general :)
[17:42] <jdeslip> nhaines: thanks for the clarification.  Do you use the u1 music app by the way?
[17:43] <nhaines> I've been using the WD Photos app for Android for the My Book World/Live/ShareSpace NAS devices and I absolutely want a open source cloud-based one.  :)
[17:43] <nhaines> jdeslip: I betaed it, am going to subscribe this weekend.  :)  It's awesome.
[17:43] <jdeslip> I have to admit I am too big a fan of dropbox and the dropbox android app right now to give u1 much of a try.
[17:44] <jdeslip> I may use it just for that music purpose though
[17:44] <MarkDude> U1 wont really be a viable option until Windows is supported
[17:44] <MarkDude> IMO
[17:44] <jdeslip> which is next tuesday for public beta apparent ;)
[17:44] <nhaines> The third-party U1 file app is great, but it's not at dropbox levels.
[17:46] <jdeslip> I didn't even know there was a file app. *goes to have a look
[17:47] <nhaines> jdeslip: Not sure if AndroidU1 is in the market or not.  It was a Google Summer of Code project.
[17:48] <pleia2> looks like just ubuntu one music and ubuntu one contacts
[17:50] <jdeslip> Ah. I see.
[17:51] <jdeslip> Lots of Ubuntu Theme apps are available...
[19:30] <iheartubuntu> Today is my Friday Giveaway on my personal blog. Im giving away Baker Creek Seeds (actually a gift cert), so if you want to enter I will post the link in the offtopic chat. Seidos? MarkDude? :)
[19:31] <MarkDude> Sounds good- Im interested
[19:33] <iheartubuntu> ok, i posted a link in the offtopic
[19:37] <MarkDude> Cool ty
[19:42] <jussi> you know, christmas edition of angry birds reminds me of the christmas edition of lemmings....
[19:42] <jussi> hey, wait... is there lemmings for android?
[19:42]  * jussi goes to look
[21:06] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December05 edited
[21:36] <MarkDude> http://sonyrumors.net/2010/12/03/looking-for-a-new-staff-member/
[21:36] <MarkDude> Sony is hiring... an intern
[21:36] <pleia2>  that was neat until you get to the intern part :)
[21:37] <akk> also it looks like it's sonyrumors that's hiring, not sony
[21:39] <MarkDude> My bad- hiring is a vague word here
[21:39] <MarkDude> Get paid nothing- to make up crap about Sony.... sign me up :D
[21:40] <pleia2> lol
[23:36] <seidos> it's good luck bear, apparently, not luck bear.