[00:12] <moetunes> cb--:  does the soundcard show when you run   aplay -l   ?
[00:29] <cb--> aplay -l gives **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices ****
[00:29] <cb--> card 0: V8237 [VIA 8237], device 0: VIA 8237 [VIA 8237]
[00:29] <cb-->   Subdevices: 4/4
[00:29] <cb-->   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[00:29] <cb-->   Subdevice #1: subdevice #1
[00:29] <cb-->   Subdevice #2: subdevice #2
[00:30] <cb-->   Subdevice #3: subdevice #3
[00:30] <cb--> card 0: V8237 [VIA 8237], device 1: VIA 8237 [VIA 8237]
[00:30] <cb-->   Subdevices: 1/1
[00:30] <cb-->   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[00:31] <cb--> VIA 8237 is the card i think
[00:34] <moetunes> seems so - does     aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav     get you a sound?
[00:40] <knome> !pastebin | cb--, please use pastebin in the future;
[00:41] <cb--> nope, no sound
[00:42] <cb--> my card is also listed when i run lspci -v | less
[00:42] <cb--> reading through the sound troubleshooting page from ubuntu now, maybe something will turn up
[00:43] <moetunes> cb--:  in a terminal run   alsamixer   and turn everything all the way up
[00:44] <cb--> k
[00:45] <cb--> still nothing
[01:01] <moetunes> cb--:  you could try in terminal   cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp    - watch out it is loud - ctrl+c to stop it
[01:04] <cb--> moetunes: got bash: /dev/dsp: Permission denied
[01:05] <cb--> trying as root
[01:05] <moetunes> cb--:  it works here - are you in the audio group? use the command   groups   to check
[01:09] <cb--> moetunes: from groups got      <username> adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare
[01:10] <moetunes> cb--:  you'll have to add yourself to the audio group then afaik
[01:21] <cb--> moetunes: afaik?
[01:26] <moetunes> cb--:  afaik = as far as I know
[01:28] <cb--> added myself to audio, ran   cat/dev/urandom > /dev/dsp         got No such file or directory
[01:28] <cb--> ah yes, acronyms
[01:28] <BlueEagle> cb--: Did you log out and back in so that the permissions could take effect?
[01:29] <cb--> BlueEagle : no, i'll give it a shot
[01:29] <BlueEagle> cb--: Group memberships are cached at login. :)
[01:34] <BlueEagle> cb--: Did it work?
[01:34] <cb--> BlueEagle: i'm a member of the audio group now, not sure what the next step is
[01:35] <cb--> been trying to get the sound to work, as is i can't hear anything
[01:36] <BlueEagle> cb--: Well if you logged out and back in then you should be set tbh.
[01:37] <cb--> BlueEagle: hmm,
[01:37] <moetunes> cb--:  time to check for sound modules   lsmod | grep snd
[01:38] <cb--> ok, got a whole bunch
[01:39] <moetunes> that's good - try the aplay command I gave earlier
[01:39] <moetunes>  aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[01:42] <cb--> moetunes: still nothing
[01:42] <moetunes> does it look like it plays and you get no sound?
[01:43] <cb--> ya, terminal says   Playing WAVE 'usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[01:44] <moetunes> try again   cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp    - watch out it is loud - ctrl+c to stop it
[01:45] <cb--> nothing
[01:46] <moetunes> no error this time?
[01:46] <cb--> no, just a blank space, like it was playing. once i hit ctrl+c it went back to normal layout
[01:48] <moetunes> can you paste the return from   lsnod | grep snd   ?
[01:48] <moetunes> !paste
[01:51] <cb--> ya, i'm new to xchat. give me a sec
[01:52] <cb--> so i pasted in pastebin, what now?
[01:53] <cb--> the url i got is http://paste.ubuntu.com/539234/
[01:54] <moetunes> cb--:  there's a bug for your soundcard - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/297744 - try what the last post suggests or if that doesn't work try post #7's fix
[01:59] <cb--> cool. thanks for all the help btw
[02:01] <moetunes> cb--:  is it working now?
[02:01] <cb--> not yet, should i reinstall alsa?
[02:02] <moetunes> I wouldn't - did you try what post number 7 said? - adding the modules
[02:10] <cb--> moetunes: added the line   options snd-via82xx dxs_support=2 to alsa.conf, ran modprobe -r snd-via82xx, got   FATAL module snd_via82xx is in use
[02:13] <moetunes> cb--:  ok my bad - I checked your paste and it lists the module sorry - I don't know what else to suggest except adding to the bug
[02:14] <cb--> hmm, ok. thanks for your willingness
[02:14] <moetunes> np :)
[03:03] <coffeebean> hi
[03:54] <n2diy> Any suggestions for a replacement for xfdesktop?
[03:55] <n2diy> moetunes: are you available?
[03:56] <moetunes> n2diy:  yep I'm here
[03:57] <n2diy> moetunes: hello, I don't think I can run xsnow with xfdesktop on board, so I'm looking into a replacement for it, suggestions?
[03:58] <moetunes> n2diy:  I would just kill it and set the background with something else
[03:59] <moetunes> all it does is the wallpaper and icons afaik
[04:00] <moetunes> from the man page it does the right click menu too
[04:01] <n2diy> moetunes: I don't seem to be able to kill it, killall -v xfdesktop says killed with sig 15, repeat the command, and I get the same response, it appears to be respawning?
[04:01]  * jgould grumbles at his trackpad
[04:04] <moetunes> n2diy:  you might have to ask in #xfce about that - it shouldn't respawn afaik
[04:08] <n2diy> moetunes: ok, I'll ask them, but I won't hold my breath, I was over there two nights ago with another issue, and never got a reply. Thanks for your time mate.
[04:10] <moetunes> n2diy:  check in startup and sessions if xfdesktop is listed
[04:10] <n2diy> moetunes: ok.
[06:52] <krisgb> Hi, may I ask for help on sound troubles in Xubuntu Maverick?
[06:53] <krisgb> I ran the alsa-info script and this is the output I got: http://pastebin.com/Y3teCDMF
[06:55] <moetunes> krisgb:  so there is onboard sound and a soundcard - what's the issue?
[06:55] <moetunes> !intelhda
[06:56] <krisgb> I got no sound playing.
[06:57] <krisgb>  I tried executing aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Left.wav in the terminal and couldn't hear a peep
[06:58] <krisgb> is there anything else I should be looking at?
[06:58] <moetunes> I have no experience on systems running pulseaudio - all I can recommend is running alsamixer in the terminal and turning everything all the way up
[06:59] <krisgb> well, I checked the mixer, and I turned the volume as high as it could go
[07:00] <moetunes> krisgb:  which mixer?
[07:01] <krisgb> xfce4-mixer
[07:01] <krisgb> (or should I be looking at something else?)
[07:02] <moetunes> I would try   alsamixer   in the terminal
[07:02] <krisgb> Master and PCM are turned way up; I don't see other controls
[07:02] <krisgb> same thing's showing up on alsamixer
[07:02] <moetunes> go through the page ubottu mentioned before then
[07:03] <krisgb> so... worst case, I may have to recompile? :(
[07:03] <moetunes> no
[07:04] <krisgb> (sorry, I'm not that good with computers)
[07:04] <moetunes> check this useful page out -  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto
[07:04] <krisgb> it's open now; any section of that long page I should be looking at first?
[07:06] <krisgb> (I'm not sure how to edit alsa-base.conf ; what should I be putting after "options snd-hda-intel model=" ?)
[07:06] <krisgb> (I've previously tried "auto", didn't work)
[07:08] <krisgb> (yes, I restarted after fiddling with alsa-base.conf)
[07:08] <krisgb> (it didn't work, I removed the line, restarted again, and now I'm here asking the xubuntu channel...)
[07:12] <moetunes> I guess it is pulseaudio getting in the way again - I would uninstall it if it were my system - but I can't say for sure'
[07:13] <krisgb> in case it's still screwed up after uninstalling pulseaudio, I can just apt-get it again, yes?
[07:13] <moetunes> yep
[07:14] <moetunes> go through the steps you've just done first tho
[07:14] <krisgb> any other suggestions you can think of?
[07:15] <moetunes> only have one sound card 'till things start working
[07:15] <krisgb> and speaking of which, should I just leave alsa-base.conf alone now?
[07:15] <krisgb> it's a laptop... :(
[07:15] <TheSheep> krisgb: in the mixer, at the top, you have a deropdown for different devices
[07:16] <TheSheep> krisgb: make sure you unmuted all of them
[07:16] <krisgb> TheSheep: they aren't muted, and they're all turned up
[07:17] <krisgb> and "HDA Intel" is selected, which also showed up in the output of the alsa-info script
[07:17] <TheSheep> krisgb: other devices too?
[07:17] <krisgb> The "HDA NVidia" is there as well (and also showed up in the alsa-info script output).
[07:18] <TheSheep> make sure all of them are unmuted, including pulseaudio
[07:19] <krisgb> how do I check if pulseaudio is unmuted? when I typed pulseaudio into the terminal, I got a "Daemon already running" error.
[07:20] <TheSheep> krisgb: you don't have pulseaudio device in that dropdown in mixer?
[07:20] <krisgb> aha... yes, I found it, silly me.
[07:20] <krisgb> it's turned up to maximum as well
[07:21] <TheSheep> ok
[07:21] <krisgb> (pardon me, as I said, I am rather inexperienced with this)
[07:22] <TheSheep> open a terminal and try this (it should make noise, ctrl+c to end it): cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp
[07:23] <krisgb> uh... computer's not allowing me. sudo?
[07:23] <TheSheep> yes
[07:24] <moetunes> not in the audio group then?
[07:24] <Sysi> install pavucontrol and select sound card you want to use
[07:24] <krisgb> moetunes: I think I saw something about the "audio group" while searching, but couldn't understand it... :(
[07:25] <moetunes> krisgb:  use the   groups   command to find out - and Sysi 's comment is a good one
[07:25] <krisgb> Sysi: I've asked Synaptic to get it already
[07:26] <krisgb> moetunes: "adm dialout cdrom plugdev lpadmin admin sambashare" ... so, no "audio".
[07:26] <moetunes> might be it then
[07:27] <TheSheep> krisgb: system->users and groups
[07:27] <TheSheep> and add yourself
[07:27] <moetunes> that should be "might" - I dunno how things go with pulseaudio
[07:27] <Sysi> with pure alsa i had problems with two soundcards, pulseaudio is made for fixing that ind of problems
[07:28] <moetunes> Sysi:  heh - the opposite here..
[07:29] <krisgb> Okay, turns out "use audio devices" was unchecked under "User Privileges"... I've checked it now and okayed the changes.
[07:29] <krisgb> should I restart now, or something else?
[07:30] <TheSheep> relogin
[07:30] <krisgb> (or maybe after Synaptic's done with pavucontrol, my connection is slow)
[07:30] <moetunes> when you change groups you have to logout/login for it to take affect
[07:33] <moetunes> that's two ppl today that haven't been in the audio group - what's going on here
[07:34] <krisgb> don't know. wouldn't have known about this group thing if it weren't for you guys...
[07:34] <Sysi> moetunes: (the soundcard i want to use don't like pulse, rmmod for driver of the other one)
[07:34] <krisgb> anyway... Sysi: how do I access pavucontrol when it's installed?
[07:34] <Sysi> menu
[07:35] <krisgb> okay it's done. I'll restart now. thanks for the help, and I'll report back.
[07:38] <moetunes> every disro I've tried with pulseaudio as a default never gives me sound - every distro I've tried that doesn't have pulseaudio as a default I get sound - the choice seems simple to me
[07:39] <moetunes> pulseaudio was just born bad
[07:43] <lighta> hi, how can I add a program to be launch with alt+f2 ?
[07:43] <krisgb> yep, the groups thing did the trick. thanks a lot!
[07:46] <moetunes> woot!
[07:47] <moetunes> lighta:  you type stuff into alt+F2 - what are you trying to do?
[07:47] <krisgb> another question, if you don't mind... does anybody here have experience with using vmware on Xubuntu?
[07:48] <moetunes> I prefer vbox myself, I've never tried vmware
[07:49] <lighta> I used vmare to try xubuntu, but I think you want the opposite
[07:50] <Sysi> i think it should work
[07:50] <krisgb> see, I want to run Windows 7 just for Microsoft Office... apparently, you can set things up so that if the Windows gets borked, you can reset the system with minimal fuss
[07:50] <Sysi> for what do you need M$ office?
[07:50] <lighta> moetunes, well I want a proper installation. I tryed to put my prog in usr/lib but no change. wanted to appear in menu and etc
[07:50] <krisgb> I get sent a  lot of docx stuff
[07:51] <moetunes> libreoffice works fine
[07:51] <krisgb> and presentations don't work in OpenOffice
[07:51] <krisgb> so my idea is just to virtualize the windows
[07:51] <krisgb> so I don't worry about a thing if it gets nuked by a virus
[07:52] <krisgb> I was wondering if anybody has tried Xubuntu as a host OS
[07:52] <Sysi> it shouldn't be different for any *buntu
[07:53] <moetunes> lighta:  you need to put apps it in what the folders that are listed in $PATH - menu entries are .desktop files
[07:53] <TheSheep> lighta: the menu is built from files in /user/share/applications and ~/.local/share/applications
[07:54] <krisgb> Sysi: so in theory, it ought to work?
[07:54] <TheSheep> krisgb: it ought to work in practice too
[07:58] <moetunes> I shouldn't multi task... - I just read what i typed earlier
[07:58] <moetunes> english is my first language
[08:00] <moetunes> lighta:  check ~/.bash_profile to see if it includes ~/bin and put the file in there so it will show at the cli
[08:01] <lighta> moetunes, no files found
[08:02] <lighta> I didn't quite understand the path thing
[08:02] <lighta> I found the . destock file in .usr/share/applications ok
[08:02] <moetunes> lighta:  in a terminal type   $PATH
[08:03] <moetunes> it shows the dirs that terminal searches for executables
[08:04] <lighta> sure ? cause it point me on my desktop
[08:04] <lighta> so if I understand well I must put my app on desktop
[08:04] <lighta> then create an . desktop file and put in in /usr/share/app ?
[08:05] <moetunes> lighta:  not necessarily
[08:05] <moetunes> what does $PATH in terminal return?
[08:05] <lighta> lighta@lighta-laptop:~/Bureau$ $path
[08:05] <lighta> lighta@lighta-laptop:~/Bureau$
[08:06] <lighta> oops forget ase sensitive
[08:06] <moetunes> lighta:  in linux case is important - $PATH is diff to $path
[08:06] <lighta> ye that what I just remenber xd
[08:06] <moetunes> heh :)
[08:06] <lighta> lighta@lighta-laptop:~/Bureau$ $PATH
[08:06] <lighta> bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type
[08:07] <lighta> ok this sound better I must copy my appli there then ?
[08:07] <lighta> in one of this folder ?
[08:08] <moetunes> lighta:  make a dir called   bin   in your home folder and you can add apps there and they will be added to $PATH  - if things haven't changed - does ~/,bash_profile mention ~/bin?
[08:10] <lighta> mention usr/bin not ~/bin
[08:11] <moetunes> I would add   # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists
[08:11] <moetunes> if [ -d ~/bin ] ; then
[08:11] <moetunes>     PATH=~/bin:"${PATH}"
[08:11] <moetunes> fi
[08:12] <moetunes> dunno why that would be excluded in recent distros
[08:12] <lighta> dunno either, whereshould I do this modify ?
[08:17] <moetunes> lighta:  do you know that ~ means your home folder? - there's no reason for ~/,bash_profile to mention /usr/bin
[08:17] <lighta> well ~ isn't my home directory ?
[08:19] <moetunes> do    ls-a ~    and see if .bash_profile turns upp
[08:20] <lighta> command not found
[08:20] <lighta> lighta@lighta-laptop:~/Bureau$ ls-a ~
[08:20] <lighta> ls-a : commande introuvable
[08:21] <Sysi> ls -a
[08:21] <moetunes> sorry do ls -a ~   I missed a space
[08:21] <lighta> no reference to profile
[08:21] <lighta> lighta@lighta-laptop:~/Bureau$ ls-a ~
[08:21] <lighta> ls-a : commande introuvable
[08:21] <lighta> oh shit
[08:22] <lighta> lighta@lighta-laptop:~/Bureau$ sudo ls -a ~ | grep .bash
[08:22] <lighta> .bash_history
[08:22] <lighta> .bash_logout
[08:22] <lighta> .bashrc
[08:23] <moetunes> no .bash_profile at all - is this a default install lighta ? - Sysi can you confirm this?
[08:24] <Sysi> on fedora atm
[08:24] <lighta> from xubuntu 9.04 ye, updated in a while to 10.xx
[08:24] <moetunes> k - Archlinux here atm
[08:25] <lighta> :(
[08:27] <moetunes> lighta:  back to the orig prob I guess - for the menu entry you have to make a file in /usr/share/applications - but the executable must be in the dirs recognised by $PATH
[08:28] <moetunes> afaik
[08:29] <lighta> ok, I did this point missing is how to do a desktop file
[08:29] <lighta> to put it in /usr/share/app
[08:31] <lighta> hmm q° when you said the executable must be in a dir recognize by $PATH could it be an under directory ? (e.g PATH mention /usr/bin my exe is in /usr/bin/my/*.exe)
[08:32] <moetunes> lighta:  I would copy one to my home dir an edit it to point to my app the copy it with sudo back to /us/share/applications
[08:34] <lighta> erf low batterie
[08:35] <moetunes> heh
[08:35] <lighta> but not clear for me sry. you want I create a link on /usr/share/app and the original folder on ~ ?
[08:36] <lighta> I had just the opposite from the begining
[08:36] <moetunes> lighta:  nope
[08:36] <lighta> ah ok
[08:37] <moetunes> copy a file from /usr/share/app to use as a tmplate - change it so it opens your file and add it back to /usr/share/apps
[08:38] <moetunes> call it what you want to show in the menu
[08:41] <lighta> ok I see =)
[08:48] <lighta> working =)
[08:48] <lighta> thx a lot
[08:51] <moetunes> woot!
[08:57] <lighta> =) but not alt+f2 yet
[08:58] <lighta> can you tell me where I should look before battery end on me ?
[09:08] <moetunes> might helpif you tell about the app - what sort of file it is and where it is etc
[09:09] <moetunes> and paste the .desktop file you made for it
[09:09] <moetunes> !paste
[09:13] <lighta> http://pastebin.com/DSFy5vyQ
[09:17] <moetunes> that looks fine but i hve heard about issues with teamspeak - tried it from a terminal  so you can get error msgs?
[09:27] <lighta> well it's null return error
[09:27] <lighta> no file from this type
[09:28] <lighta> from menu it's working fine
[09:28] <lighta> from amt+f2 TS3 no
[09:28] <lighta> think it missing a pointer somewhere
[09:37] <lighta> well thx anyway moetunes i'm gonnasleep
[10:32] <nicofs> I need help. I have several managers fighting over my power management. currently my display dims down instandtly and shuts down after a minute. In the settings it sais it shouldn't. please help...
[10:41] <TheSheep> nicofs: just kill one of them
[10:41] <TheSheep> nicofs: and disable it in autostarted applications
[10:41] <nicofs> easily said. which one?
[10:42] <TheSheep> nicofs: pick one
[10:42] <nicofs> TheSheep: from where?
[10:43] <nicofs> only xfce power manager is in autostart
[15:06] <ubuXubu> good morning Xubuntu Technicians, Consultants, Coders,Engineers and Casual Observers...,,
[15:07] <TheSheep> and sheep
[15:08] <charlie-tca> and just users
[15:09] <charlie-tca> Good morning, ubuXubu
[17:03] <ubuXubu> is everthing ok here
[17:06] <charlie-tca> yes
[17:06] <charlie-tca> ubuXubu, you just seemed to disappear for a while?
[17:07] <ubuXubu> this new wireless service just dropped me off awhile ago?
[17:07] <ubuXubu> yet the hard wire part never fails
[17:07] <ubuXubu> drives me insane
[17:08] <ubuXubu> i just dropped verizon DSL due to that
[17:08] <ubuXubu> maybe its this server doinf it? i dunno...
[17:09] <ubuXubu> the latest message was...diconnected (no such device or address)
[17:10] <charlie-tca> [08:21] * ubuXubu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[17:10] <charlie-tca> now it is [10:10]
[17:10] <ubuXubu> oh that one
[17:10] <ubuXubu> thats was when i came back in as as balsaq becasue my other wasa ghost or something
[17:11] <ubuXubu> i had to use balsaq to get back cos ubuXubu was still here somehow
[17:11] <ubuXubu> then ubuXubu dropped off on his own
[17:11] <Sysi> ping timeout is not instant
[17:11] <Sysi> for timeout
[17:11] <ubuXubu> so i switched back to my new preferred name
[17:12] <ubuXubu> see when i came back in as balsaq...ubuXubu was just sitiin there even though i wasnt on a computer as him
[17:15] <charlie-tca> um, actually, it was already disconnected. balsaq login was [09:52]
[17:22] <ubuXubu> ahhhhhhhh
[17:22] <ubuXubu> i dunno
[17:22] <ubuXubu> alli know is every so many hours poof
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Mine resets at about 22 hours, I think
[17:23] <ubuXubu> my wireless politely drops me off
[17:23] <charlie-tca> Might be more or less, but it does it on regular basis.
[17:23] <ubuXubu> they are installing a new one sunday already
[17:23] <charlie-tca> sometimes it logs back in, and sometimes it leaves me hanging
[17:26] <ubuXubu> one thing i like about this new one...i dont have to run to the basement and reboot the router to log back on, like the one i replaced.
[17:40] <charlie-tca> heh, that would be a plus
[17:40] <charlie-tca> but... what about the exercise it provided?
[18:49] <ubuXubu> yes i will have to start jogging again
[19:59] <share> ei
[19:59] <share> my xubuntu doesnt shut down
[19:59] <share> i click on shutdown then it keeps showing xubuntu logo
[20:01] <discharge> you can type in terminal "sudo shutdown -h 0" for shutdown
[20:01] <discharge> or killall xfce4-panel; xfce4-panel&
[20:02] <discharge> to restart the panel along with the menu
[20:02] <share> discharge: i just want to shutdown xubuntu
[20:03] <share> but it doesnt
[20:03] <share> discharge: i had to press shutdown button
[20:03] <discharge> well, if the system was frozen, u could most times use <ctrl><alt>F1
[20:03] <share> discharge: i have tried 'sudo shutdown' only before but didnt work
[20:04] <discharge> then issue the shutdown command i mentioned above
[20:04] <share> discharge: i dont know it is frozen
[20:04] <share> it just didnt shutdown
[20:04] <share> very strange
[20:04] <discharge> sudo shutdown -h 0
[20:04] <share> maybe it's X
[20:04] <share> yes i'll try later
[20:04] <Sysi> press powerbutton for some time
[20:04] <discharge> u have to specify "halt" and 0 as time
[20:04] <share> Sysi: :P thats what i did
[20:04] <share> discharge: ok
[20:05] <Sysi> if it works next time, it works
[20:05] <share> discharge:
[20:05] <share> i dunno if i could ctrdl alt f\
[20:05] <share> f1
[20:05] <share> with xubuntu logo showing up
[20:05] <Sysi> 'poweroff' should be alias for that command btw
[20:06] <share> hm
[20:06] <share> i think i have tried poweroff before
[21:49] <nicklas_> hey, how do you get latest stable nvidia / ati driver without installing manually, is the backports or are there any repos?
[21:54] <fructose> Hi. I just installed the Xubuntu desktop and am wondering if there's anything extra I can do to improve performance on this sluggish 256MB machine
[21:55] <charlie-tca> use midori instead of firefox
[22:03] <mneumonic> Does anyone here run xubuntu installed on a USB drive?
[22:03] <mneumonic> i'm wondering how bad it will kill the drive
[22:30] <Sysi> now this is interesting / cool / nice
[22:30] <Sysi> kwin with xfce
[22:31] <Sysi> kwin don't like xfce session managment, otherly even betetr than KDE
[23:07] <n2diy> moetunes: I installed kde base on my test box, and xsnow won't play with that either!?
[23:08] <Sysi> same hw and xorg
[23:22] <n2diy> Sysi: nah, all the machines here are mutts off the street.
[23:23] <n2diy> Sysi: I ran killall xfdesktop on my backup box, and xsnow is now playing on that one! So, some success.
[23:50] <moetunes> n2diy:  kde would do the same thing as xfce in setting the background afaik - good to see you had some success
[23:51] <n2diy> moetunes: yes, then I'll try gnome on the test box, and see if that works.
[23:51] <moetunes> n2diy:  gnome will be the sane as kde and xfce
[23:51] <n2diy> moetunes: they all run xfdesktop?
[23:52] <moetunes> n2diy:  no they all control the root desktop the same way
[23:52] <moetunes> which doesn't let xsnow run
[23:53] <n2diy> moetunes: hmmm, then more study is needed, maybe it is time to try BSD? :)
[23:54] <moetunes> n2diy:  for xsnow I would try using just a window manager not a desktop environment like xfce or kde or gnome
[23:59] <Cael> i just installed via an monitor for display xubuntu 10.04 on my spare pc.. .but after boot using Svideo out its acting like its an PAL signal (no color and screen flipping) but i last left it @ 800x600 @60hz