[00:02] <dantti> apachelogger: well printer-manager is a hard thing :P it's too tied to py..
[00:02] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203438 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (5 files) Make sure any existing extenders go away when the search filtering is changed
[00:03] <dantti> apachelogger: and libdebconf-kde is read for a release (sine I wrote the doxygen docs)
[00:09] <yofel> /usr/include stuff goes into kdelibs5-dev right? (the first 3 files http://paste.ubuntu.com/539579/)
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> yofel: yup
[00:21] <yofel> thanks
[00:29] <DarkwingDuck> where did kubotu go
[00:29] <DarkwingDuck> ?
[00:29] <yofel> DarkwingDuck: Riddell kicked him and apachelogger doesn't want to bring him back
[00:30] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[01:00] <yofel> JontheEchidna: can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdelibs/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42708 ?
[01:18]  * Mamarok grmls at not being able to use her ssh key anymore, and ssh-add not working either since upgrade to 4.6.1 beta
[01:19] <Mamarok> apparently the ssh-agent is not started, I had the same problem back with 4.5.2
[01:19] <Mamarok> only the solution I used then (using ssh-keypass) doesn't work now
[01:19] <Mamarok> ssh-keyaddpass* even
[01:21] <Mamarok> bedtime, will look closer at that tomorrow, night everyone :)
[01:24] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: same here :(
[01:25] <JontheEchidna> yofel: sure. (was blogging until just now)
[01:26] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: nice to hear I am not alone, I was thinking I was the culprit
[01:28] <JontheEchidna> yofel: you seem to be missing the 4.80-0ubuntu7 change that I pushed this afternoon. 
[01:28] <yofel> meh, I almost missed ubuntu6, but didn't check after that
[01:29] <yofel> I'll update the branch
[01:29] <JontheEchidna> thanks. Otherwise it looks good
[01:30] <yofel> JontheEchidna: erm, ubuntu7 isn't in bzr, at least not kdelibs
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> oh
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> ah, oops
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> I thought my change was ubuntu7
[01:31] <JontheEchidna> nvm
[01:31] <yofel> heh
[01:32] <CIA-24> [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas <echidnaman@kubuntu.org> * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101204013246-newtgvrtivn5b2lz * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream beta release - drop kubuntu_78_solid_trunk.diff and kubuntu_80_find_hupnp.diff, applied upstream - disable 23_solid_no_double_build.diff, causes FTBFS - refresh kdelibs5-dev.install
[01:34] <yofel> JontheEchidna: do we have meta-kde in bzr somewhere btw.? I can't find it
[01:34] <JontheEchidna> nope
[01:34] <yofel> k
[02:02] <ScottK> yofel: FAM/gamin aren't in Main, IIRC.
[02:02] <yofel> !info libgamin-dev
[02:02] <yofel> it is, that's why I was wondering..
[02:03] <ScottK> Maybe we just forgot that one.
[02:05] <yofel> and we got the first ppa bug about kdevelop not working with 4.6..
[02:15] <ari-tczew> does anybody use pinentry on kubuntu?
[02:15] <ari-tczew> I switched from gnome to kde and there is no working pinentry-qt4
[02:15] <ari-tczew> gpg-agent is not available in this session
[02:23] <JontheEchidna> worksforme(tm)
[02:23] <yofel> erm, any reason why kdelibs5 4.5.80 has: kdelibs5-data: Breaks: kdelibs-data (< 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-4)
[02:24] <yofel> our beta backports broke kde3 stuff
[02:25] <yofel> can I just backport the natty kdelibs package?
[02:29] <yofel_> perfect time for connection reset *-.-
[02:30] <yofel> the 4.5.4 package has only a replaces kdelibs-data and at least doesn't break anything
[03:16] <ScottK> Replaces is likely more correct
[03:56] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger:ping
[04:06] <v> is prolly asleep
[04:49]  * ScottK looks around for the rest of v's nick
[04:56] <v> :o
[04:57] <v> ScottK: I'm down a server
[04:57] <ScottK> Ah.  So that's where it went.
[04:58] <stalcup> ScottK: in about a week, i'll be ready to hit backports
[04:58] <ScottK> Cool.
[04:58] <stalcup> I am excited
[05:30] <Kubuntiac> "Bugs in packaging should be reported to kubuntu-ppa on Launchpad. Bugs in the software to KDE."
[05:30] <Kubuntiac> Can someone point me to a link where I can learn how to tell the difference?
[05:30] <Kubuntiac> I've stopped reporting *any* bugs because I have no idea which is which... :/
[07:36] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: pong
[08:07] <Quintasan> \o
[08:38] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: ping
[09:49] <markey> apachelogger: with 10.10, how can I set may whole desktop to use Raster?
[09:49] <markey> my*
[09:49] <Quintasan> markey: well, apachelogger coded some nice KCM for this and I packaged it
[09:50] <Quintasan> https://launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa
[09:50] <Quintasan> markey: ^
[09:50] <barraponto> hi folks
[09:51] <barraponto> there is a bug on kubuntu-firefox-installer, it hangs on qapt batch installer, waiting eternally for authorization ...
[09:52] <Quintasan> barraponto: it's a known problem with policykit
[09:52] <markey> Quintasan: thanks :)
[09:52] <Quintasan> it's binary backwards incompatible or something like this
[09:53] <Quintasan> barraponto: a fix should be out today or tomorrow
[09:53] <Quintasan> markey: no problems, be sure to report back if it works :)
[09:53] <barraponto> Quintasan: thanks
[09:53] <barraponto> Quintasan: i don't know if it is related to packaging, but i guess it is (maybe from debian folks)
[09:54] <barraponto> Quintasan: upgrading to 4.6 beta has made konqueror the default browser
[09:54] <Quintasan> Riddell: ^
[09:55] <barraponto> Quintasan: i thought kubuntu-firefox-installer would revert that, thus i uninstalled firefox and found the bug.
[09:55] <markey> apachelogger: are you going to put the "grouping patch" (either kernel or userspace) in Natty?
[09:55] <Quintasan> barraponto: thanks, I belive we already knew about auth problems with policykit but I'm not sure about the default browser
[09:55] <markey> apachelogger: the performance improvemnt is incredible
[09:56] <markey> apachelogger: I very much recommend to check that out (I use the userspace version)
[09:56] <Quintasan> markey: reallly? how can I check this? I compiled my kernel with this enable and I didnt notice anything :(
[09:56] <markey> Quintasan: sec please
[09:56] <barraponto> as soon as i run firefox installer properly i'll give it a check and post back
[09:56] <markey> Quintasan: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html
[09:57] <markey> Quintasan: it even comes with a script now, that does it automatically on Ubuntu
[09:57] <markey> you will never want to go back :)
[09:57] <markey> web sites load twice as fast, etc
[09:57] <Quintasan> markey: oh, an alternative? I applied that 200 magic lines patch to vanilla kernel and compiled it, I didnt notice anything :/
[09:57] <markey> Quintasan: try the userspace version
[09:58] <markey> Torvalds said, it works better
[09:58] <markey> and I can confirm that it works great
[09:58] <markey> (dunno if it would conflict with your kernel patch...)
[09:58] <markey> (I use a Vanilla 10.10 Kubuntu kernel)
[09:58] <Quintasan> markey: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/script-to-automatically-apply-200-lines.html <- this?
[09:58] <markey> yes
[09:58] <markey> I did it manually
[09:59] <markey> but I guess the script will work fine
[09:59] <Quintasan> markey: any test-cases? :P
[10:00] <markey> yeah, many people have benchmarked it
[10:00] <markey> but not me
[10:00] <markey> check Phoronix or so
[10:00] <markey> my test case is Chromium
[10:00] <markey> it works much faster now :)
[10:00] <markey> even with make -j15 compile (icecream cluster)
[10:03] <markey> Quintasan: uhm, I added your PPA, but still can't find the KCM
[10:03] <markey> hmm
[10:03] <Quintasan> markey: you are not running natty I presume
[10:03] <markey> nope
[10:03] <markey> maverick
[10:04] <Quintasan> hrng
[10:04] <Quintasan> wait, let me copy it to maverick
[10:04] <markey> thx
[10:07] <tim> hi, yesterday the kubuntu-ppa/beta was updated to 4.6 beta1. however the version of kdevelop that is provided in the ppa does not start any more.
[10:08] <tim> because of some kate-related changes, a kdevelop-4.2 snapshot would be required.
[10:08] <Quintasan> markey: https://launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa/+files/kcm-qt-graphicssystem_1.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[10:08] <Quintasan> try this
[10:08] <barraponto> tim: same here
[10:09] <tim> barraponto, i guess so ... do you know if there is any plan to package a 4.2 snapshot?
[10:09] <markey> Quintasan: thanks a lot :)
[10:09] <Quintasan> markey: blame apachelogger if it doesn't work :P
[10:10] <barraponto> tim: i tried to compile kdev 4.2 yesterday, but it would require a kdevplatform that is still under development
[10:10] <barraponto> tim: so i'm back to vim for now.
[10:10] <markey> ok, rebooting box, brb
[10:12] <markey> Quintasan: ah, no workie. KCM needs KDE 4.6
[10:12] <markey> Quintasan: any idea how to do it manually?
[10:12] <markey> I guess it just sets some config option?
[10:13] <markey> found it
[10:13] <Quintasan> markey: whole system? I know about --graphicssystem raster as a parameter to app
[10:13] <markey> export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster
[10:13] <markey> in ~/.kde4/env
[10:13] <markey> trying that now
[10:14] <Quintasan> Found that now :P
[10:14] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: well, I packaged oxygen-gtk but I'm not sure why it doesn't work :/
[10:18] <markey> Quintasan: gaah. where does that env file belong, in Kubuntu?
[10:18] <markey> there is a whole folder, .kde/env/
[10:19] <Quintasan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/539688
[10:19] <Quintasan> I think you want to put it in qt-graphicssystem.sh :P
[10:19] <markey> hmm
[10:19] <markey> makes sense
[10:20] <markey> this was different in earlier releases, I think
[10:20] <markey> there was only one file
[10:20] <markey> ok reboot
[10:20] <markey> brb
[10:21] <tim> another kde 4.6 beta 1 issue: kmail has a problem signing mails. it tells me "Signing failed: Bad passphrase"
[10:22] <tim> kleopatra reports that it cannot connect with the gpg-agent
[10:23] <jussi> tim: I think shadeslayer came up with that issue  a bit also
[10:23] <tim> jussi, ok .. seems the name `beta' is justified :)
[10:25] <markey> re
[10:25] <markey> Quintasan: seems to work nicely :)
[10:26] <markey> as far as I can tell
[10:26] <markey> it can be hard to tell the difference
[10:26] <markey> cause it's not *that* much faster than my OpenGL driver
[11:37] <bulldog98> Riddell: new kdepim release 4.4.8
[11:39] <mfraz74> i've just upgraded to kde 4.6 beta 1 and now I can't log in
[11:40] <mfraz74> if I use the failsafe login and try start x, I get X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting
[11:41] <bulldog98> mfraz74: what version of -0ubuntux do you have
[11:42] <mfraz74> bulldog98: which package is that?
[11:42] <bulldog98> mfraz74: apt-cache show kdelibs5 -> have you ...-0ubuntu4 ?
[11:43] <bulldog98> s/-0ubuntu4/-0ubuntu5 is the current version/
[11:43] <mfraz74> 4:4.5.80a
[11:44] <mfraz74> 4:4.5.80a-0ubuntu6
[11:44] <bulldog98> mh
[11:45]  * bulldog98 has -0ubuntu5 atm
[11:46] <bulldog98> mfraz74: maybe it isn’t completly in archive yet and you have to wait for the next sync
[11:47] <mfraz74> bulldog98: ok is there any way of starting a wireless connection from the command line?
[11:50] <bulldog98> mfraz74: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/14/connect-to-a-wireless-network-via-command-line/
[11:58] <mfraz74> that doesn't seem to work
[12:02] <mfraz74> suppose i'll have to connect wired when the package has been updated
[12:19] <Quintasan> well, it's not like we haven't been warning people that updating might eat their X servers
[12:44] <yofel>  re
[12:47] <bulldog98> hi yofel
[12:59] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: oh, oxygen-gtk is sitting in new queue
[12:59] <Quintasan> meh
[12:59] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: change this in TODO then :P
[13:06] <Riddell> mm, so 4.6 beta 2, koffice rc, kdepim 4.4.8 and kdepim 4.6 beta 1 to do
[13:07] <Riddell> easy peasy
[13:07] <Riddell> oh and kdevelop too
[13:07]  * Riddell on to kdepim 4.6 beta 1
[13:07] <Quintasan> @_@
[13:08]  * Quintasan goes to KDE beta 2 then
[13:11]  * bulldog98 goes to kdepim beta 2
[13:11]  * yofel has kdegraphics almost built
[13:12] <Riddell> bulldog98: hang on
[13:12] <Riddell> bulldog98: I've still got to get the 4.6 beta 1 packaging right for kdepim
[13:12] <Riddell> I keep finding file overwrite errors that need fixing
[13:12] <bulldog98> Riddell: I need to do the deps first
[13:12] <Riddell> deps are good
[13:13] <Riddell> bulldog98: including a review of this :) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libassuan2
[13:14] <yofel> Riddell: btw, the kde4libs 4.5.80 adds a " kdelibs5-data: Breaks: kdelibs-data (< 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-4)" which breaks kde3 stuff with the beta backports in maverick (comes from debian I think). Any recommendation how to solve that? 4.5.4 only has a replaces
[13:15] <Riddell> yofel: do you know what files clash?
[13:16] <yofel> Riddell: its the 'Breaks:' that leads to kdelibs4c2a being removed
[13:16] <yofel> so you have to remove kde3 apps to install 4.6. currently
[13:17] <yofel> since maverick has 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu2.10.10.1 which is << 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-4
[13:17] <Riddell> yofel: ah, so the question is what did debian change in -4
[13:17] <Riddell> and do we need to merge that
[13:17] <Riddell> I always hate touching kde3 libs, means going into the murky world of autotools
[13:18] <yofel> we have -5 in natty, but I'm not sure if I can just backport that
[13:18] <bulldog98> yofel: changelog for help
[13:18] <Riddell> probably can, check the changelog
[13:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: :)
[13:18]  * yofel goes trying apt-get changelog...
[13:20] <droidslayer> I made the mistake of touching kde3libs once ... 
[13:20] <droidslayer> Brrrrr....
[13:20] <bulldog98> droidslayer: try to forget it
[13:21] <droidslayer> bulldog98: I still have .
[13:21] <droidslayer> Nightmares.. 
[13:21]  * bulldog98 holds droidslayer so he won’t get any Nightmare anymore
[13:22] <droidslayer> :'(
[13:22]  * droidslayer feels all better now...
[13:23] <Quintasan> WTF IS THIS
[13:23] <Quintasan> why the hell it works so slooooow now
[13:23]  * Quintasan can't comprehend this madness
[13:23] <bulldog98> Quintasan: what?
[13:25] <yofel> hm, merge changelog is rather long, poke debfx
[13:25] <yofel> kdegraphics built fine at least
[13:26] <bulldog98> yofel: go on to kdebase-runtime ^^
[13:26] <yofel> let me finish commit stuff first :P
[13:29] <Quintasan> bulldog98, yofel: I want to do runtime
[13:29] <Quintasan> I already grabbed the source
[13:29] <yofel> Quintasan: sure, I didn't start yet
[13:29] <bulldog98> Quintasan: ok I’m doing pimlibs ftw
[13:30] <bulldog98> Quintasan: add yourself to packaging
[13:31] <Quintasan> bulldog98: can you do that for me? my PC started working insanely slow and I can't launch any other app than I have running now :/
[13:31] <bulldog98> Quintasan: ok I’ll add you to that
[13:40] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdegraphics/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42734
[13:40]  * yofel -> lunch
[13:40] <Riddell> yofel: groovy
[13:40] <Riddell> but first, kdepim just installed
[13:41] <Riddell> do I run it?
[13:41] <Riddell> or will it blow up my computer?
[13:41]  * Riddell  runs it
[13:41] <droidslayer> Kaboooommmmm
[13:44] <Riddell> hmm, well kontact runs, can't read or write anything to address book
[13:44] <Riddell> can't read or write to calendar
[13:44] <Riddell> can't make a todo item
[13:45] <Riddell> mm, this belongs in experimental I think 
[13:45] <Riddell> can't read or write to calendarkontact(9420)/kdecore (KLibrary) KPluginLoader::load: The plugin "akonadi_serializer_kcalcore" doesn't contain a kde_plugin_verification_data structure
[13:45] <Riddell> wonder if that has anything to do with it
[13:46]  * Quintasan got a nice Cruzer pendrive with fingerprint reader, too bad this crap wont work under Linux
[13:46] <bulldog98> Riddell: anyway put it to experimental and we’ll package beta 2 to test if the errors are gone
[13:46] <Riddell> bulldog98: good plan
[13:47] <bulldog98> Riddell: thx
[14:08] <Riddell> ooh kmail-mobile is shiny
[14:10] <Riddell> bulldog98: packaging pushed to bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu-4.6/
[14:10] <bulldog98> Riddell: cool
[14:11] <Riddell> and uploaded for natty to kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[14:11] <hunger> Riddell: Yes, kmal-mobile is nice... Qt Quick rocks:-)
[14:11] <Riddell> I'm going to make kubuntu-ppa/experimental depend on kubuntu-ppa/beta so we can upload kdepim for maverick
[14:14] <Riddell> yofel: kdegraphics merged
[14:14] <yofel> \o/
[14:18] <bulldog98> Riddell: is a team meeting planed?
[14:19] <Riddell> bulldog98: not currently, we just have them when someone wants one enough to organise one
[14:19] <Riddell> bulldog98: so if you want one set up a doodle poll and ask people to signal when they're available
[14:20] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’d like to wait at least until kdepim beta 2 is out so we can test that before
[14:23] <Riddell> bulldog98: you want beta 2 out before we have a meeting?
[14:23] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes
[14:24] <bulldog98> Riddell: kdebeta
[14:28] <bulldog98> and next week isn‘t good either because we go to an excursion with school so I’ll be back on 13.12.
[14:31] <bulldog98> Riddell: usr/include/gpgme++/configuration.h into libgpgme++2 or an -dev package?
[14:32] <bulldog98> kdepimlibs5-dev is the right package
[14:32] <Riddell> bulldog98: you're packaging gpgme++?
[14:32] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdegames/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42735 and https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdemultimedia/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42736
[14:32] <bulldog98> Riddell: it’s in kdepimlibs
[14:32] <Riddell> bulldog98: oh I see, so it is
[14:33] <Riddell> bulldog98: into kdepimlibs5-dev then
[14:33] <bulldog98> Riddell: that’s what I said
[14:33] <bulldog98> :)
[14:33] <bulldog98> [15:32:02] <bulldog98> kdepimlibs5-dev is the right package
[14:39]  * bulldog98 finished kdepimlibs
[14:40]  * Riddell high fives bulldog98 
[14:40]  * bulldog98 needs to upload that stuff
[14:42] <yofel> games and multimedia uploaded
[14:42]  * yofel needs to buy some things, bbl
[14:42]  * Riddell high fives yofel 
[14:43] <Mamarok> hi again
[14:43] <Mamarok> is there any news about the ssh problem?
[14:44] <bulldog98> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepimlibs/4.5.85/+merge/42737
[14:44] <Riddell> Mamarok: ssh problem?
[14:45] <Mamarok> Riddell: I can't use my ssh key anymore, ssh-agent seems started, ssh-add says no, and ssh-askpass doesn't work
[14:46] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna has the same problem with 4.6 beta
[14:46] <bulldog98> Mamarok: I can confirm that
[14:47] <Riddell> Mamarok: use it for what?
[14:47] <Mamarok> to make git and svn checkouts
[14:47]  * Quintasan though he is alone with this bug
[14:47] <bulldog98> Riddell: singing messages
[14:47] <Mamarok> git pull asks a password but no way to enter it, seems not recognized
[14:47] <Quintasan> Mamarok: try this
[14:47] <Quintasan> Mamarok: ssh-agent
[14:48] <Quintasan> copy and paste this stuff is spews out to konsole
[14:48] <Quintasan> and then try ssh-add
[14:48] <Mamarok> paste where, here?
[14:48] <Quintasan> nah, in the console
[14:49] <Mamarok> ah
[14:49] <Mamarok> yay! it works :) thanks a bunch Quintasan :)
[14:50] <Riddell> I don't think I even know what ssh-agent is never mind why a kde upgrade should break it
[14:50] <Quintasan> No problems, I just remembered I had that problem sometime ago
[14:50] <Quintasan> Riddell: ssh-agent is something that asks for you ssh key password with a nice window
[14:50] <Quintasan> or gpg key
[14:51] <Riddell> is it related to pinentry?
[14:53] <Quintasan> I belive yes
[14:53] <Quintasan> believe*
[14:53] <Riddell> which is part of kdepim I think, so that explains why a KDE upgrade would affect it
[14:53] <Riddell> but I've never quite understood how it worked
[14:55] <Mamarok> well, the pinentry in KDE doesn't work correctly, one has to install the pinentry-qt4 package
[14:56] <Mamarok> at least I had to do that for KMyMoney
[15:03] <Mamarok> I miss the fancy panel, was quite useful on a dual screen setup, but it depends on older packages
[15:05] <bulldog98> Riddell: seen the merge request?
[15:05] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes, will get to it shortly
[15:06] <bulldog98> ok
[15:06] <bulldog98> Riddell: kdepim failed
[15:07] <Riddell> uh oh
[15:07] <Riddell> bulldog98: did you do runtime first?
[15:07] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes kdepim depends on runtime
[15:08] <Riddell> what's the error?
[15:08] <bulldog98> Riddell: dependency wait
[15:09] <Riddell> bulldog98: oh you mean it failed in the PPA?
[15:09] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes
[15:10] <Riddell> just needed assuan to compile first, retried
[15:15] <Riddell> bulldog98: any new symbols in kdepimlibs?
[15:15] <bulldog98> no
[15:15] <bulldog98> only an update of the library libgpgme++2 from 2.7 to 2.8
[15:17] <Mamarok> btw, why is the default file manager konqueror instead of Dolphin?
[15:18] <Riddell> Mamarok: where is that?
[15:19] <Riddell> bulldog98: kdepimlibs merged
[15:19]  * bulldog98 hugs Riddell
[15:19] <Mamarok> Riddell: from the Device Notifier
[15:19] <Mamarok> since KDE 4.5.3 actually, IIRC
[15:20] <Riddell> Device Notifier opens with Dolphin here
[15:22] <Mamarok> hm, no idea why this was changed here
[15:24] <bulldog98> Mamarok: update-alternatives?
[15:24] <tsimpson> soo, anyone know what kubotu is doing in #kubuntu-offtopic? doesn't seem to respond to anything, just curious why it's there
[15:26] <Riddell> bulldog98: that's not done at the debian packaging level, it'll be a setting somewhere in system settings
[15:26] <Riddell> maybe Mamarok had dolphin uninstalled at some point for some reason
[15:26] <Riddell> tsimpson: probably hiding after I kicked it out of here :)
[15:27]  * Riddell would welcome kubotu back as long as it didn't randomly repeat lines from people
[15:27] <Mamarok> Riddell: not that I can remember, but I changed it back now
[15:27] <tsimpson> it's a good place to hide
[15:30] <ScottK> Kubuntiac: If it crashes, that's almost always upstream (KDE).  If it has problems installing, that's almost always packaging.  Feel free to ask here if you need advice on where to report stuff.
[15:34] <ari-tczew> ScottK: I'm quite sure, that in some cases crashes could be caused by patches added in packaging.
[15:34] <ScottK> ari-tczew: Thus the almost
[15:34] <ari-tczew> (:
[15:39] <ScottK> Mamarok: You should have already had pinentry-qt4 installed.  It's part of kubuntu-desktop.
[15:39] <bulldog98> Riddell: ping
[15:42] <Riddell> yofel: kdemultimedia merged, please pull from ~kubuntu-members as I had an uncommitted change 
[15:42] <ScottK> ari-tczew: If you're still having pinentry problems, check your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and make sure is still has "use-agent" in it.  Some versions of seahorse-agent "helpfully" remove the contents of that config file.
[15:45] <Riddell> "../../../mobile/lib/kdeclarativefullscreenview.h:26:21: fatal error: QGLWidget: No such file or directory"  darn you kdepim
[15:48] <apachelogger> well then
[15:49] <apachelogger> austria is a silly place where one cannot obtain microsd's > class 4
[15:49] <apachelogger> hooray
[15:49] <apachelogger> markey: youd want to ask in #ubuntu-devel or rather ubuntu-deve-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com
[15:49] <apachelogger> rbelem: ping
[15:50] <rbelem> apachelogger, pong
[15:50] <markey> apachelogger: about what?
[15:50] <ari-tczew> ScottK: use-agent exist in this file.
[15:50] <apachelogger> rbelem: should we package the device adaptation stuff maybe?
[15:50] <ScottK> OK.  That's not the problem then.
[15:50] <apachelogger> markey: grouping patch
[15:50] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think class 4 is not fast enough :-(
[15:51] <apachelogger> rbelem: you see me do it....
[15:51] <rbelem> apachelogger, i think we should
[15:51] <apachelogger> minionDispatch->requestMinion(Packaging);
[15:51] <rbelem> apachelogger, can we have multiple sources for one package?
[15:52] <apachelogger> well
[15:52] <apachelogger> we can ditch all the gits into one source package
[15:52] <apachelogger> then build one or multiple binary packages from that
[15:52] <apachelogger> or we can have multiple source packages for each git repo and then have individual binary packages from that
[15:52] <apachelogger> I suppose you mean having one binary?
[15:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[15:55] <markey> apachelogger: erm. you will not find me visiting some Ubuntu channel
[15:55] <markey> I couldn't care much less about that
[15:55] <markey> apachelogger: *hug*
[15:55] <markey> gotta run
[15:55] <markey> bbl
[15:58] <ari-tczew> ScottK: anyway, thanks for try to help. (:
[15:59] <apachelogger> rbelem: how do I start it then?
[16:01] <rbelem> apachelogger, let's have one source pkg for each git
[16:01] <apachelogger> rbelem: but then we need multiple binary packages too
[16:01]  * apachelogger thinks that having one source is also more maintainable
[16:02] <rbelem> me too
[16:02] <apachelogger> rbelem: so, how do I start from the microsd?
[16:03] <rbelem> apachelogger, there are some git repos that needs to be in separated repos
[16:03] <apachelogger> or rather, how does the guide continue ;)
[16:03] <rbelem> the lib*
[16:03] <rbelem> apachelogger, partitioning it
[16:03] <apachelogger> already done that
[16:04] <apachelogger> made a fat16, swap and ext3
[16:04] <rbelem> apachelogger, 3 partitions?
[16:04] <apachelogger> scat the image onto the ext3
[16:04] <rbelem> apachelogger, which order?
[16:04] <apachelogger> synced, fsck'd, copied the files you listed in the braindump
[16:04] <apachelogger> rbelem: in that order
[16:04] <apachelogger> rbelem: does the order matter?
[16:04] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[16:04] <apachelogger> silly crap
[16:04] <apachelogger> rbelem: what is the order then?
[16:04] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: did you get in touch with clementine devs?
[16:05] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: not yet
[16:05] <rbelem> apachelogger, because kernel looks for root on mmcblkp1
[16:05] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: they not gonna to migrate to phonon
[16:05] <rbelem> apachelogger, ext3, swap, vfat
[16:05] <apachelogger> ari-tczew: why
[16:05] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: because clementine is created to work with gstreamer
[16:06] <apachelogger> so?
[16:06] <apachelogger> that is not a reason
[16:08] <rbelem> apachelogger, the kernel cmd line is set in its .config :-(
[16:08]  * apachelogger reformats
[16:08] <apachelogger> -.-
[16:08] <apachelogger> rbelem: so, once I have all the stuff done from the current list... how do I proceed?
[16:10] <rbelem> apachelogger, mount loop the meego image and copy its vmlinuz and /lib/modules/
[16:10] <rbelem> to ubuntu partition
[16:15] <apachelogger> rbelem: and then?
[16:16] <rbelem> apachelogger, you can boot
[16:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: we want these patches in phonon?  http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/171b1c677852083a8ca803671145afbc2f51f272 http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/211f1d0269de59238754df6ab147f2fdea63fba2 and http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/56f731f9fd763fb8b371abab210fbe01b8cdcd21 ?
[16:16] <rbelem> apachelogger, did make the other steps in the wiki?
[16:17] <apachelogger> rbelem: well, not yet, work in progress, but generally yes ;)
[16:17] <rbelem> :-)
[16:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, mine microsd class 10 is on the way to my city. it is already in brazil \o/
[16:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, i bought it 10th november
[16:21] <apachelogger> that takes all sorts of ages
[16:21] <rbelem> apachelogger, i bought mine on ebay from one guy in hong kong
[16:22] <apachelogger> a microsd travels far before it can run the kubuntu :D
[16:23] <apachelogger> rbelem: what exactly do I copy from meego?
[16:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[16:23] <apachelogger> probably more too come though
[16:23] <apachelogger> the codec installer needs some love
[16:24] <rbelem> i'm getting overwrite error on package libqtsolutions-soap-2.7-1 and hupnp
[16:24] <rbelem> apachelogger, the kernel and its modules
[16:24] <apachelogger> rbelem: where to find them?
[16:24] <rbelem> apachelogger, /boot and /lib/modules
[16:24] <apachelogger> welll
[16:24] <apachelogger> ...
[16:25] <apachelogger> in what image :P
[16:25] <apachelogger> the actual meego img contains isolinux and 2 other images and at least one of them also contains another image
[16:25] <apachelogger> it is an image madness
[16:25] <rbelem> apachelogger, let me check
[16:26] <apachelogger> rbelem: nvm
[16:26] <apachelogger> meego im -> livecd img -> ext3fs img
[16:27] <rbelem> apachelogger, the vmlinuz is meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900
[16:27] <apachelogger> :O
[16:27] <apachelogger> wha?
[16:27] <bulldog98> when do the neon builds run?
[16:27] <apachelogger> rbelem: I think we are talking about different images here
[16:28] <apachelogger> oh
[16:28] <apachelogger> ah
[16:28] <apachelogger> !
[16:28] <apachelogger> rbelem: indeed I was just looking at the netbook image
[16:29] <rbelem> apachelogger, and inside meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 the dir /lib/modules/2.6.35.3-10.3-n900 
[16:29] <rbelem> apachelogger, oh! you need the handset image
[16:30] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:30] <apachelogger> wrong directory
[16:30]  * apachelogger notes that his konsole has no context menu and fears that 4.5.4 or whatever he upgraded to is at fault
[16:30] <apachelogger> yes 4.5.4
[16:31] <bulldog98> apachelogger: do you have global menu?
[16:32] <apachelogger> rbelem: how do I get into the raw img?
[16:32] <apachelogger> bulldog98: no
[16:33] <bulldog98> hm
[16:33] <bulldog98> apachelogger: have you did ctrl+m?
[16:33] <apachelogger> ctrl m is for menu
[16:34] <apachelogger> I mean contextmenu
[16:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm bunziping it 
[16:35] <apachelogger> rbelem: that leaves a raw file behind, does it not?
[16:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[16:36] <apachelogger> and then?
[16:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, mine still bunzipping :-(
[16:36] <apachelogger> oh :)
[16:36]  * apachelogger notes to get rbelem a faster machine ^^
[16:39] <rbelem> apachelogger, lets try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=711773
[16:40] <rbelem> apachelogger, last time i zcat the image on another micro sd to copy the contents
[16:42] <apachelogger> sudo mount -o loop,offset=512 -t auto meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1-mmcblk0p.raw /mnt/
[16:43] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[16:43] <rbelem> it worked here
[16:45] <apachelogger> well then
[16:45] <apachelogger> lets see
[16:47] <apachelogger> rbelem: at uboot I do run mmcboot?
[16:47] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[16:47] <droidslayer> apachelogger: can the n900 display live wallpapers??
[16:47] <apachelogger> wrong image format for bootm command
[16:47] <droidslayer> There's another app idea...
[16:47] <apachelogger> error: can't get kernel image!
[16:47] <apachelogger> rbelem: ^
[16:47] <apachelogger> droidslayer: I think I saw that crap in the archives
[16:47] <droidslayer> Hahaha
[16:48] <apachelogger> also there is better use of ones batter
[16:48] <apachelogger> y
[16:48] <apachelogger> ...
[16:48] <droidslayer> apachelogger: hmm...
[16:48] <rbelem> apachelogger, hum... probably needs the kernel img in /boot
[16:49] <rbelem> apachelogger, i do not recall right now how do i get config-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900  System.map-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900  uImage  vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900
[16:49] <rbelem> these files
[16:49] <apachelogger> raw's boot I suppose
[16:50] <rbelem> nope :-(
[16:50] <rbelem> it is empty
[16:50] <apachelogger> not here
[16:52] <rbelem> apachelogger, i found
[16:52] <apachelogger> still no dice
[16:52] <apachelogger> oh
[16:52] <apachelogger> uImage is not there
[16:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, sudo mount -o loop,offset=1792016384 -t auto meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw /mnt/
[16:53] <Riddell> bulldog98: kdepim uploaded to kubuntu-ppa/experimental for maverick
[16:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, you need a vfat FAT32 partition 
[16:53] <bulldog98> Riddell: cool
[16:53] <rbelem> apachelogger, partition type c
[16:54] <bulldog98> Riddell: btw why isn’t kdepim~ppa2 finished with building?
[16:56] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you get it working?
[16:57] <apachelogger> rbelem: partition type c?
[16:57] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[16:57] <apachelogger> no clue what that means
[16:57] <apachelogger> so
[16:57] <apachelogger> yorur offsets seem different for the raw image
[16:58] <rbelem> apachelogger, in fdisk
[16:58] <apachelogger> well
[16:58] <Riddell> bulldog98: because it takes time to compile
[16:58] <apachelogger> I got the system on 512
[16:58] <apachelogger> the second one seems to be swap
[16:58] <rbelem> apachelogger, get the offset for the 3rd partition
[16:58] <apachelogger> I only have two?
[16:58] <bulldog98> Riddell: I thought launchpad would compile faster than me, but it doesn’t
[16:59] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/539764/
[16:59] <rbelem> apachelogger, sudo fdisk -u -l meego-handset-armv7l-n900-final-mod-1.1.0.0.20101101.3-mmcblk0p.raw  only returns two partitions?
[17:00] <Riddell> bulldog98: there's no magic in launchpad hardware, just machines same as you and I have
[17:00] <rbelem> apachelogger, mine returns http://paste.ubuntu.com/539765/
[17:00] <bulldog98> Riddell: thought they had some 16 cores for compiling one package
[17:01] <apachelogger> rbelem: what to do, oh what to do...
[17:01] <apachelogger> oh, idea
[17:01]  * apachelogger dd's the disk onto another card to see
[17:01] <rbelem> apachelogger, oki
[17:02] <Riddell> bulldog98: I haven't heard of that, although the new server they just donated to KDE does have an impressive 8 cores
[17:02] <rbelem> apachelogger, i'm looking where i downloaded the image
[17:04] <bulldog98> Riddell: some of your builds failed
[17:05] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’ll fix that
[17:06] <Riddell> bulldog98: libassuan2 just needs retried once libgpg-error is published
[17:07] <bulldog98> Riddell: yes
[17:07] <Riddell> then kdepim once that and kdepim-runtime are in
[17:08] <rbelem> apachelogger, still dd'ing?
[17:09] <apachelogger> no
[17:09] <apachelogger> just finished
[17:09] <apachelogger> well
[17:10] <apachelogger> there are really only 2 images
[17:10] <apachelogger> one ext and one swap
[17:10] <rbelem> damn!
[17:10] <apachelogger> so  on the ext one there is
[17:10] <apachelogger> config-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900  System.map-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900  vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900
[17:10] <apachelogger> and I copied those to the ubuntu partition but uboot still refuses to find anything
[17:11] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you copy to /boot?
[17:11] <apachelogger> yes
[17:11] <yofel> bulldog98: last time I checked they were building with parallel=2, so I think the virtual builders only get 1 cpu
[17:11] <apachelogger> rbelem: can you run a ls -la on your boot
[17:11] <rbelem> apachelogger, copy to the vfat
[17:11] <rbelem> partition
[17:11] <apachelogger> rbelem: the folder or only the files?
[17:12] <bulldog98> yofel: wow they should defently speed up that with paralle=16 or more
[17:12] <yofel> bulldog98: I think they'll rather run 16 builders on that...
[17:13] <yofel> although that would probably fail on I/O
[17:14] <apachelogger> sdfjklsafl
[17:14] <apachelogger> baaah
[17:14] <apachelogger> rbelem: copied the content to fat, still not working
[17:14] <bulldog98> yofel: they need one build process per builder -> speed up
[17:15] <yofel> bulldog98: well, instead of building one package with 16 cores it makes more sense to build 16 packages at once, especially since dh_ stuff and xz aren't threaded
[17:15] <apachelogger> meh
[17:16]  * yofel doesn't know how much hardware the build farm actually has...
[17:16] <bulldog98> yofel: then make them use threads
[17:16] <bulldog98> :P
[17:17] <yofel> bulldog98: if you cut the builders count in half and make every one use 2 cores I doubt that would speed things up :P
[17:17]  * yofel doesn't want to go back to a queue length of a few days :(
[17:18] <apachelogger> oh
[17:18] <apachelogger> I think it is doing something
[17:18] <apachelogger> omg
[17:18] <apachelogger> kubuntu!
[17:18] <apachelogger> hahahahaghhahahahah
[17:18] <apachelogger> omg
[17:18] <droidslayer> :o
[17:18] <droidslayer> No
[17:18] <droidslayer> ZOMG
[17:19] <apachelogger> now if only I knew the login ^^
[17:19] <yofel> bulldog98: besides, the builders can't possibly be as fast as I am, dual core i7 with tmpfs chroot :P
[17:19] <droidslayer> Lol
[17:19] <droidslayer> apachelogger: fail....
[17:19] <yofel> lol
[17:19] <droidslayer> Well
[17:19] <droidslayer> Try Ubuntu
[17:19] <bulldog98> yofel: do you want to donate Hardware?
[17:20] <droidslayer> That's the default iirc
[17:20] <droidslayer> bulldog98: I sent them 256 megs of RAM...
[17:21] <yofel> bulldog98: this is my notebook, not shareable, I'll think about my desktop though maybe...
[17:21] <apachelogger> droidslayer: didnt work
[17:21] <droidslayer> They should use icecc
[17:22] <apachelogger> actually boots pretty fast
[17:22] <droidslayer> apachelogger: ubuntu as login and password??
[17:22] <apachelogger> yes
[17:22] <droidslayer> *shrug*
[17:22] <droidslayer> Try root and Ubuntu
[17:22] <jussi> apachelogger: try ubuntu and no pass
[17:23] <apachelogger> not working
[17:23] <jussi> oem/oem ?
[17:23] <droidslayer> Try rbelem as login and pass :P
[17:24] <apachelogger> neither
[17:24]  * apachelogger tries to get to a tty
[17:25] <droidslayer> How would that help....
[17:25] <apachelogger> also wants a login
[17:25] <apachelogger> -.-
[17:25] <jussi> apachelogger: boot in single user mode? :D
[17:25] <apachelogger> dude
[17:25] <bulldog98> apachelogger: meego and meego?
[17:25] <apachelogger> it is not like I have much control here
[17:26] <droidslayer> Kubuntu being evil :P
[17:26] <droidslayer> bulldog98: its kubuntu!!!!
[17:26]  * apachelogger gunzips the image and looks at its passwd file
[17:26] <bulldog98> droidslayer: ok
[17:26]  * apachelogger thought mobile was using nodm?
[17:27] <droidslayer> apachelogger: haven't made the switch till now I suppose
[17:30] <rbelem> apachelogger, 
[17:30] <rbelem> internet connection at work stopped working :-)
[17:30] <apachelogger> rbelem: what is the user name for the image
[17:30] <apachelogger> ...
[17:30] <apachelogger> new meego uses different boot magic
[17:30] <apachelogger> without uimage
[17:31] <apachelogger> one uses the flasher to boot the vmlinuz
[17:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, hum... you have to chroot and add a user :-D
[17:32] <apachelogger> eeeeek
[17:32] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you manage to boot kubuntu-mobile?
[17:32] <apachelogger> yes
[17:32] <yofel> geh, kdenetwork breaks on cmake :( http://paste.ubuntu.com/539768/
[17:32] <rbelem> :-D
[17:32] <apachelogger> http://identi.ca/notice/59767534
[17:33] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you copy the kernel files to the vfat partition?
[17:33] <apachelogger> no
[17:33] <apachelogger> yes
[17:33] <apachelogger> rbelem: why?
[17:33] <rbelem> hum?
[17:33] <apachelogger> I did
[17:33] <apachelogger> however I do not see how this is relevant
[17:34] <apachelogger> in fact I believe the vfat partition is pointless with the flasher approach
[17:34] <apachelogger> see  http://meego.com/devices/handset/installing-meego-nokia-n900 for revised boot approach
[17:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, oh! you used the flasher command
[17:34] <apachelogger> aye
[17:34] <apachelogger> stupid uboot can go play golf with itself
[17:36] <rbelem> apachelogger, i will take a look at the new image to figure out what it make different 
[17:36]  * bulldog98 finished kdepim-runtime
[17:37] <rbelem> 50min to finish the download :-(
[17:37] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://identi.ca/notice/59767534
[17:40] <droidslayer> Quintasan: oi... can a milestone be rooted and a custom Rom loaded??
[17:41] <Quintasan> rooted? sure
[17:41] <Quintasan> but no custom roms
[17:41] <Quintasan> the bootloader is signed
[17:41] <rbelem> droidslayer, yup
[17:41] <ScottK> Do we have pim 4.4.8 packaged yet?
[17:41] <rbelem> droidslayer, and with custom rom
[17:41] <droidslayer> Heh...:P
[17:41] <ScottK> (sorry for the distracting on topic question)
[17:41] <rbelem> i running a custom rom on mine
[17:41] <droidslayer> Quintasan: ^^
[17:42] <Nightrose> apachelogger: not loading
[17:43] <Nightrose> :(
[17:43] <droidslayer> rbelem: how many phones do you have :P
[17:43] <Riddell> ScottK: no I don't think anyone is working on 4.4.8 yet
[17:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: http://identi.ca/attachment/35314456
[17:43] <Kubuntiac> ScottK: Thanks. Thats an easy rule of thumb, and thus practical.
[17:43] <rbelem> droidslayer, one n900 and one milestone :-)
[17:44] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yea that's what's not loading
[17:44] <droidslayer> :D
[17:44] <apachelogger> Nightrose: works here
[17:44] <apachelogger> your intarwebs is broken
[17:44] <Kubuntiac> ^^^^^ Would be awesome to add something like this to the release statement, as it's currently somewhat mystifying (and I've been using Kubuntu since Dapper...)
[17:44] <Nightrose> seems so
[17:44] <Riddell> ScottK: it needs done for kubuntu-ppa (updates), kubuntu-ppa/beta and natty
[17:44] <ScottK> Riddell: Lucid and Maverick in -updates
[17:45] <Riddell> ScottK: we haven't done 4.4.6/7 for lucid in kubuntu-ppa (updates) but there's no reason why not
[17:45] <droidslayer> apachelogger: nice!!!
[17:45] <ScottK> Debian KDE people just pushed a bunch of 4.4 updates for Squeeze.  We ought to grab those and 4.4.8 and then push to -proposed
[17:45] <droidslayer> Nightrose: loads for me too...
[17:46]  * ScottK is a bit stuck on some other work for a bit.
[17:46] <Kubuntiac> Presumably bugs in the Kubuntu feature slides in Ubiquity get reported on the Kubuntu-ppa?
[17:46] <Kubuntiac> (if it's not too early to post bugs at all...)
[17:46] <ScottK> Kubuntiac: No, those should be reported against ubiquity in Ubuntu
[17:46] <Kubuntiac> ok
[17:46] <ScottK> Maybe if droidslayer would quit messing around and get to work, pim would be updated
[17:47] <droidslayer> Kubuntiac: er.. why would they be reported against the ops
[17:47] <droidslayer> Bah
[17:47] <apachelogger> ...
[17:47] <droidslayer> Ppa
[17:47] <apachelogger> ScottK got a point there
[17:47] <Kubuntiac> droidslayer: Because they're images that only apply to Kubuntu, not Ubuntu
[17:48] <droidslayer> ScottK: I'm not at home .... and im reading the make manual....
[17:48] <ScottK> Clearly studying isn't his problem at the moment.
[17:48] <ScottK> droidslayer: You have a laptop.
[17:48] <droidslayer> ( didn't bring the laptop with me )
[17:48] <ScottK> Ah.  Poor minion planning.
[17:49] <ScottK> Kubuntiac: The live CD installer for Ubuntu and Kubuntu are both built from the ubiquity packages.
[17:49] <ScottK> packages/package
[17:49] <Kubuntiac> ScottK: k,
[17:50] <ScottK> The guidance to report bugs against ~kubuntu-ppa instead of regular Ubuntu bugs is only if it's related to a package from one of our PPAs.
[17:50] <droidslayer> ScottK: I chose to read make rather than package
[17:50] <ScottK> There is something there.
[17:51] <ScottK> That's an investment.  Useful studying
[17:52] <droidslayer> *nod*
[17:52] <Kubuntiac> ScottK: ok. Last question: The touch input of a Dell Latitude XT doesn't rotate to match a rotated display (in display manager), would that be reported on... xorg?
[17:53] <ScottK> Probably.  Not a bad place to start.
[17:53] <Kubuntiac> k, thanks ScottK
[17:53] <droidslayer> Also.... I think DarkwingDuck had the same issue at issue
[17:53] <apachelogger> IIRC xorg is being silly
[17:53] <apachelogger> or the drivers
[17:53] <droidslayer> S/issue/uds
[17:54] <apachelogger> somone from plasma had a similar issue with something
[17:54] <apachelogger> probably lenovo ideapad
[17:54] <Kubuntiac> apachelogger: That's the technical term for it, right? :P
[17:55] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you add an user to the your kubuntu-mobile image?
[17:55] <apachelogger> fighting with uboot right now
[17:55] <rbelem> :-)
[17:56] <rbelem> apachelogger, try remove the vfat partition
[17:56] <apachelogger> nah, flasher will do  :P
[17:57] <rbelem> i'm still downloading the image
[17:57]  * apachelogger is wondering if one can chroot from i386 to an arm image
[17:57] <apachelogger> oh
[17:57] <apachelogger> apparently not
[17:57] <rbelem> 57min left now
[17:57] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[17:57] <apachelogger> chroot: failed to run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error
[17:57] <apachelogger> what is that then?
[17:58] <rbelem> apachelogger, install the package qemu-arm-static
[17:58] <rbelem> apachelogger, then copy /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static to your arm chroot :-)
[17:59] <apachelogger> ah
[17:59] <apachelogger> magic
[17:59]  * apachelogger hugs rbelem
[17:59] <rbelem> :-)
[17:59] <bulldog98> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim-runtime/4.5.85/+merge/42744
[18:00]  * rbelem hugs back apachelogger 
[18:00] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdewebdev/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42743
[18:02] <apachelogger> booty booty
[18:03] <apachelogger> rbelem: is it just me or is the touching off?
[18:03] <droidslayer> apachelogger: send us pictures of plasma mobile...
[18:03] <apachelogger> yaya
[18:03] <apachelogger> login
[18:03] <apachelogger> uhuhuhuh
[18:04] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you manage to login?
[18:04] <apachelogger> well
[18:04] <apachelogger> yes
[18:04] <apachelogger> now it is sitting there
[18:04] <apachelogger> not sure if it does do anything
[18:04] <rbelem> apachelogger, to get better speed
[18:04] <rbelem> you need to use raster
[18:05] <rbelem> and disable nepomuk and akonadir
[18:05] <rbelem> i chmod -x them :-D
[18:05] <apachelogger> how cruel ^^
[18:05] <apachelogger> rbelem: so
[18:05] <apachelogger> should anything happen after login
[18:05] <rbelem> after that i manage to start a little bit faster
[18:05] <apachelogger> cause I just see the background
[18:06] <apachelogger> and that is it
[18:06] <apachelogger> well, the mouse too
[18:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, it really takes too long finish
[18:06] <apachelogger> well
[18:06] <apachelogger> it is quite ludicrous
[18:06] <apachelogger> ah
[18:06] <apachelogger> now something happened
[18:06] <apachelogger> it faded to black ^^
[18:06] <apachelogger> and now plasma-mobile crashed ^^
[18:06] <rbelem> apachelogger, mouse is not working?
[18:07] <apachelogger> rbelem: well, it is, it is just sort of inverted
[18:07] <apachelogger> touch in upper section of the screen == movement in lower section
[18:07] <rbelem> apachelogger, you need to commento one line in the xorg.conf
[18:08] <apachelogger> oh
[18:08] <apachelogger> supposedly I had forgotten that then ^^
[18:08] <rbelem> yup
[18:09] <Quintasan> rbelem: you have Droid, right?
[18:09] <Riddell> bulldog98: you should be able to build-dep on kdelibs5-dev (>= 4:4.5), kde-sc-dev-latest should ensure it gets the right version
[18:09] <rbelem> apachelogger, i got less crashes after updating the arm image using chroot
[18:09] <Riddell> bulldog98: merged
[18:09] <rbelem> Quintasan, nope, a milestone
[18:09] <Quintasan> Are u sure you are running a custom rom? if you are talking about xda mods then it doesnt count
[18:10] <Riddell> yofel: merged
[18:10] <yofel> thanks, uploading
[18:10] <rbelem> Quintasan, i'm running a brazilian rom
[18:11] <rbelem> Quintasan, but i think that it is a mod too
[18:11] <rbelem> shadowmodbr.wordpress.com
[18:12] <Quintasan> it's a mod
[18:15] <yofel> HUH? why was okteta moved from utils to sdk o.O?
[18:17] <apachelogger> rbelem: hm, the calibration line in xorg.conf was commented out?
[18:18] <rbelem> apachelogger, it needs to be commented
[18:18] <apachelogger> #         Option                "Calibration" "200 3910 3761 180"
[18:19] <rbelem> apachelogger, yup
[18:21] <apachelogger> I think I busted my ext3 ^^
[18:21] <apachelogger> rbelem: well, that it was ...
[18:21]  * apachelogger just remembered how fragile ext3 is ^^
[18:22] <rbelem> apachelogger, maybe btrfs can be used
[18:23] <apachelogger> scary
[18:23] <apachelogger> well
[18:23]  * apachelogger zcats again ^^
[18:25] <rbelem> apachelogger, meego already uses it
[18:25] <apachelogger> well, it is not so much the fs that scares me, but how to make our ext3 image into brtfs ^^
[18:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where are my new minions?
[18:26] <apachelogger> got easy packaging jobs
[18:26] <rbelem> apachelogger, https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Conversion_from_Ext3
[18:26] <rbelem> it is easy
[18:27] <apachelogger> hm
[18:27] <apachelogger> first ssh
[18:27] <yofel> Riddell: sdk has a rather long list missing list, all okteta stuff http://paste.ubuntu.com/539776/
[18:28] <Riddell> yofel: that's fine, they're not used anywhere so we don't package tham
[18:28] <Riddell> them
[18:28] <yofel> should I add them to not-installed then?
[18:29] <Riddell> yofel: yes can do
[18:32] <apachelogger> wow
[18:32] <apachelogger> kubuntu mobile contains cups
[18:32] <bulldog98> Riddell: for kdepim should I wait for libassuan2 uploaded to main?
[18:32] <apachelogger> awesome
[18:32] <apachelogger> and apparmor
[18:32] <rbelem> :-D
[18:33]  * apachelogger purges crap
[18:33] <Riddell> bulldog98: no, you can upload libassuan2 to ninjas
[18:33] <apachelogger> rbelem: so, what to do about the touch calibration oddness?
[18:33] <Riddell> bulldog98: you could also review it on revu to help it get into the ubuntu archive :)
[18:34] <bulldog98> Riddell: hm I’ll do that
[18:34] <bulldog98> but to review isn’t being MOTU requirered?
[18:34] <rbelem> apachelogger, did you try left that line uncommented?
[18:35] <rbelem> apachelogger, maybe that line works with the meego kernel
[18:35] <Riddell> bulldog98: I don't remember, maybe
[18:36] <Riddell> bulldog98: you can still review it and put comments elsewhere if not on revu
[18:36] <bulldog98> Riddell: I’ll do that after I started building kdepim :P
[18:36] <yofel> Riddell: do you know btw. if there's some known issue with kdenetwork? Cmake errors out here http://paste.ubuntu.com/539768/
[18:42] <apachelogger> yeah
[18:42] <apachelogger> ext3 busted
[18:42] <apachelogger> meh
[18:43] <rbelem> apachelogger, fsck.ext -cy fixes the problem?
[18:43] <rbelem> 3*
[18:43] <apachelogger> no
[18:43] <apachelogger> anyhow
[18:43] <rbelem> :-o
[18:43] <apachelogger> zcatting and conversion to brtfs
[18:43]  * apachelogger writes a script for the install
[18:45] <rbelem> brb
[18:47] <bulldog98> Riddell: comment posted :)
[18:54] <Riddell> yofel: I've not heard of any problems but looks like you've found one
[18:54] <Riddell> yofel: check trunk for that file to see if there have been any fixes since tagging
[18:55] <Riddell> ah, JontheEchidna fancy reviewing http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libassuan2 ?
[18:55] <yofel> Riddell: I will, but I've seen that fail recently in neon too, never had time to look at it though
[18:55]  * yofel refreshes trunk..
[18:56] <yofel> Riddell: here's sdk for now https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdesdk/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42745
[18:57] <yofel> Riddell: fixed in trunk 3h ago it seems (svn r1203569)
[18:58] <ScottK> yofel: It got moved because it allegedly is a better fit there.
[18:58] <bulldog98> yofel: than add that commit as an diff
[18:58] <yofel> will do
[18:58] <bulldog98> and mark it as tmp
[18:59] <bulldog98> so we’ll remove it with next upstream release
[18:59]  * apachelogger dances with bulldog98
[19:00]  * bulldog98 thinks it’s a honor to dance with apachelogger
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: sure
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntiac: ping
[19:01] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: you pinged yesterday?
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: do you have the DB for rbot?
[19:01] <apachelogger> yus
[19:01] <apachelogger> why?
[19:01] <DarkwingDuck> or, a DB that is usable?
[19:01] <apachelogger> usable?
[19:02] <DarkwingDuck> I'm having a hard time setting it up.
[19:02] <apachelogger> rbot will just create one on first start?
[19:02] <apachelogger> just install some strange package
[19:02] <DarkwingDuck> lol some strange?
[19:03] <apachelogger> strange as in I keep forgetting the name :P
[19:03] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: why rbot?
[19:03] <apachelogger> libdb-ruby1.8 I think
[19:03] <DarkwingDuck> jussi: I'm looking for a bot for another non-linux related thing.
[19:03] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhh thanks apachelogger 
[19:03] <jussi> DarkwingDuck: aha
[19:04]  * bulldog98 pokes Quintasan
[19:05] <apachelogger> jussi: because rbot is supreme
[19:05] <DarkwingDuck> I like rbot
[19:05] <apachelogger> and ruby is close to perl, so it is the best choice for DarkwingDuck :P
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[19:06] <DarkwingDuck> I was gong to build one out of irssi scripts but that would cause too much panic
[19:07] <DarkwingDuck> s/gong/going
[19:07] <apachelogger> fancy
[19:07] <apachelogger> isnt there plenty of those already?
[19:08] <droidslayer> DarkwingDuck: iirc 
[19:08] <droidslayer> There was one...
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: packaging looks fine, but I got this failure trying to pbuild: pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy: Depends: libgpg-error-dev (>= 1.8) but it is not going to be installed.
[19:13] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: you are on maverick right
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> bulldog98: natty
[19:13] <bulldog98> JontheEchidna: apt-get update
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> I have a pbuilder hook that updates before every build
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> though looking back it did seem to have a bit of trouble with a few indexes. I'll try again
[19:21] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: libgpg-error-dev 1.10 is in natty and kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[19:24] <Riddell> yofel: are you on the kde-packager mailing list?  if so you can complain about kdenetwork tar being broken there
[19:25] <yofel> Riddell: no yet, where is it? I looked for it but couldn't find it, and forgot about it :/
[19:26] <Riddell> yofel: it's top secret
[19:27] <yofel> heh
[19:28] <Riddell> yofel: I e-mailed kde-packager
[19:28] <yofel> thanks
[19:29] <yofel> Riddell: how does one get onto that list?
[19:30] <Riddell> yofel: request to kde-sysadmin on bugs.kde.org
[19:30] <bulldog98> yofel: request for me too please
[19:30] <Riddell> bulldog98: you'll need to request it yourself
[19:31] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok
[19:31]  * yofel hasn't sent a mail to any kde-sysadmin yet...
[19:31] <Riddell> good, they don't accept e-mail :)
[19:31] <Riddell> file a bug request
[19:31] <yofel> ah ^^
[19:33] <yofel> Riddell: did you look at sdk?
[19:34] <Riddell> yofel: still on my todo
[19:34] <Riddell> shortly after kdevelop
[19:34] <Riddell> which I'm nearly done with
[19:35] <bulldog98> Riddell: what component to report? maillist?
[19:39] <Riddell> bulldog98: sysadmin
[19:40] <bulldog98> Riddell: I hope I reported to right place now (sysadmin -> mailing lists)
[19:41] <Riddell> that'll do
[19:43] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203596 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationWindow.cpp We wait on the ApplicationBackend specially before reloading the views.
[19:50] <yofel> hm, krdc vncserver detection seems broken too :/
[19:52] <yofel> macro_optional_find_package(LibVNCServer) is only executed "if(NOT INSIDE_KDENETWORK)" - later they "add_subdirectory(vnc)" anyway but that has "if(LIBVNCSERVER_FOUND)" at the top, thus the vnc stuff isn't built..
[19:53]  * yofel looks at trunk again..
[20:02] <yofel> great, seems to be thanks to svn r1201536, but they forgot about krdc
[20:02] <Kubuntiac> DarkwingDuck: pong
[20:03] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntiac: You were asking about retation of screen?
[20:04] <Kubuntiac> Yeah. My screen rotates properly in the display manager, but the touch input doesn't rotate with it
[20:04] <Kubuntiac> (Dell Latitude XT)
[20:04] <Kubuntiac> I wasd wondering what package to file this on
[20:05] <Kubuntiac> So for example, if I use a finger to trace a line up, the cursor moves to the left
[20:13] <DarkwingDuck> Does it use WACOM?
[20:14] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntiac: If it uses wacom there is a driver that will allow you to change rotation of touch input with the ACPI event...
[20:15] <Kubuntiac> k thx. It actually uses N-trig rather than Wcom
[20:17] <ScottK> yofel: We'd rather use the system libvncserver for both if it can be arranged.
[20:17] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntiac: Ahhhhh
[20:17] <DarkwingDuck> Look for the ACPI events when you retate
[20:17] <DarkwingDuck> *rotate
[20:18] <DarkwingDuck> Then modify the event in /etc/acpi/ to rotate the touch input along with screen rotation
[20:22] <yofel> ScottK: I'm looking, but it seems they removed the whole cmake libvnc search infrastructure from krfb and just use their own version so it'll require some patching
[20:23] <yofel> ScottK: reasoning: http://paste.ubuntu.com/539807/
[20:32] <Kubuntiac>  Thx DarkwingDuck
[20:33] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntiac: anytime
[20:35] <Riddell> yofel: kdesdk merged
[20:36] <yofel> thanks
[20:37]  * yofel reported a bug for krdc for now
[21:00] <sourcemaker> are there known problems with opengl and intel?
[21:00] <sourcemaker> When I enable desktop effects using opengl... the screens rotates 180... and is unusable...
[21:00] <sourcemaker> the fallback: Xrender works but slow
[21:00] <sourcemaker> Kubuntu 10.10 KDE 4.6 BETA1
[21:04] <droidslayer> Martin would be the best person to ask I suppose...
[21:05] <droidslayer> He did blog about some OpenGL foo on planet kde
[21:08] <bulldog98> droidslayer: he is also the maintainer of kwin :P
[21:08] <sourcemaker> ok thanks
[21:09] <droidslayer> bulldog98: I know :P
[21:09] <bulldog98> droidslayer: I thought you know it :P
[21:13]  * bulldog98 finished kdepim
[21:14] <bulldog98> Riddell: hope you’ll like it
[21:14] <bulldog98> Quintasan: ping
[21:15] <apachelogger> droidslayer: where are my minions?
[21:15] <apachelogger> !!!!
[21:15]  * apachelogger needs them minions
[21:16] <droidslayer> Idunno
[21:16] <droidslayer> Aakshay might come along sometime today
[21:17] <droidslayer> His router crapped out yesterday...
[21:17] <apachelogger> stupid router
[21:17]  * bulldog98 thinks apachelogger should pay for minions to find some
[21:17] <apachelogger> lets convert kubuntu in a musical and go on tour aroudn the world
[21:17] <bulldog98> apachelogger: :P
[21:17] <droidslayer> Dunno about kronos
[21:17] <apachelogger> I shall play lead
[21:18] <apachelogger> technology fails us over and over all
[21:18] <apachelogger> first the routers and then skynet
[21:18] <apachelogger> ...
[21:18] <droidslayer> apachelogger: let's call in jono as well
[21:19] <apachelogger> jono is a robot failing us at some point? :O
[21:19] <bulldog98> apachelogger: if you want Riddell as an minion you have to review http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libassuan2 :)
[21:19] <droidslayer> Lemme message both of them and ask
[21:19] <apachelogger> your phone does messaging? :O
[21:20] <apachelogger> mine does not even do calls
[21:20] <apachelogger> ...
[21:20] <apachelogger> ahhh
[21:20] <apachelogger> the monty python beethoven sketch
[21:20] <apachelogger> way too awesome
[21:20] <bulldog98> lol
[21:21] <droidslayer> Lulz...
[21:22] <droidslayer> My phone does calls,messaging, irc...
[21:22] <bulldog98> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepim/4.5.85/+merge/42752
[21:27] <yofel> hm, kdenetwork wants kdebase-workspace and libkonq as optional packages..
[21:29] <ScottK> yofel: I guess that's ~OK then.
[21:30] <yofel> XMMS too but I think we don't have that anywhere
[21:30] <yofel> I'll add those, will need an update of the dependency graph though
[21:31]  * bulldog98 high fives yofel
[21:31]  * yofel high fives bulldog98
[21:31] <yofel> now where did Quintasan vanish...
[21:32] <bulldog98> yofel: yep that’s a problem
[21:32] <bulldog98> kdepim bases on that
[21:32] <yofel> I can't continue artwork and network either
[21:33]  * yofel somehow doesn't want to do binding :S
[21:33] <bulldog98> is accessiblity done?
[21:33] <yofel> don't think so
[21:33] <yofel> ah well, I'll try bindings
[21:34] <bulldog98> yofel: kdebase-workspace is free again
[21:34] <yofel> I'll try bindings for now, let's see what happens
[21:34]  * bulldog98 has started going onto beta 2
[21:35] <yofel> wait, sdk is done..
[22:15] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203618 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/muon/muon.desktop Change the Name field in muon.desktop to Muon Package Manager, to differentiate between the Muon Package Manager and the Muon Software Center
[22:19] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203619 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (CMakeLists.txt muon-installer.desktop) Now that it's finally ready for usage, add a .desktop file to add it to the menu
[22:19] <apachelogger> connman here, connman there, connman is everywhere
[22:20] <DarkwingDuck> having fun apachelogger?
[22:21] <apachelogger> fun
[22:21] <apachelogger> is something different
[22:21] <ari-tczew> are you interested in qt webkit ?
[22:21] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1203620 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (3 files in 2 dirs) Comment/whitespace cleanup
[22:21] <ulysses> my membership in ~kubuntu-members expires on 14th December:(
[22:21] <ari-tczew> in SQ is lying bug 	681345
[22:21]  * apachelogger installs connman-gnome and notes that he should port the connman part of n900 meego stuff to nm
[22:22] <apachelogger> then again who in their right mind would want to touch nm's private parts
[22:22] <apachelogger> it is all rather sily
[22:24] <ulysses> Riddell: what have I to do to renew my Kubuntu membership if it expires?
[22:26] <ari-tczew> hmmm, how can I receive files on kubuntu via bluetooth?
[22:26] <ari-tczew> send I can, but kubuntu refuses receive files. 
[22:28] <yofel> I was never really able to get blueman to do anything with my n900, used blueman in the end
[22:28] <yofel> s/blueman/bluedevil/
[22:30] <apachelogger> ulysses: click the renew link in the mail I suppose
[22:30] <ari-tczew> yofel: so, can't you even send files via BT?
[22:31] <yofel> I remember that giving some kind of error, but that was quite a while ago
[22:31] <ari-tczew> :/
[22:33] <ulysses> apachelogger: thanks
[22:33]  * apachelogger loves people who say an application is crap because its UI is not of the most usable kind
[22:34] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: do you reffering to my case?
[22:34] <apachelogger> no
[22:34] <apachelogger> a friend who is crying my ears full
[22:34] <apachelogger> all day long
[22:35] <apachelogger> he is now also a fan of kwin and kubuntu for its supreme intel workingness
[22:35]  * apachelogger converts his kubuntu-mobile image to btrfs
[22:38] <apachelogger> ok
[22:38] <apachelogger> I broke it
[22:38] <apachelogger> again
[22:38] <apachelogger> :D
[22:39] <DarkwingDuck> ARRG
[22:39] <DarkwingDuck> Broken again
[22:39]  * DarkwingDuck kicks badly written perl scripts
[22:39] <apachelogger> ^^
[22:39] <apachelogger> uhh
[22:39] <apachelogger> silly btrfs
[22:40] <apachelogger> or silly kernel
[22:40] <apachelogger> something silly in any case
[22:41] <DarkwingDuck> hehehe
[22:41] <DarkwingDuck> Oh wow... I need to get an updated passport
[22:42] <apachelogger> uhh
[22:42] <apachelogger> you bun too ate my meego kernel
[22:44] <DarkwingDuck> My passport still says "Offical US Government Only" on it :D
[22:45] <apachelogger> ^^
[22:45] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... Need a new one.
[22:48] <apachelogger> mhhh, boot looks much better with kernel ^^
[22:48] <apachelogger> about 15 seconds to login
[22:48] <apachelogger> not to shabby a boot time I recon
[22:48] <DarkwingDuck> 15 eh?
[22:48] <apachelogger> login then takes 2 minutes
[22:48] <DarkwingDuck> that's nice.
[22:48] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[22:48] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: perceived
[22:49] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: better then the 15 minutes on my moms windows machine
[22:49] <apachelogger> I think login would be doable in a couple of seconds if plasma wasnt silly
[22:49] <DarkwingDuck> I have an idea
[22:49] <DarkwingDuck> let's switch to unity
[22:49] <apachelogger> takes ages until I have get anything drawn
[22:49] <apachelogger> so I suppose it eats the cpu big time
[22:50] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: talking about mobile here
[22:50] <apachelogger> :)
[22:50] <DarkwingDuck> ahhhhhh
[22:50] <apachelogger> no unity for mobile
[22:50] <DarkwingDuck> Unity mobile
[22:50] <DarkwingDuck> Sounds like a plan
[22:50] <apachelogger> app start is also a bit slow IMHO
[22:50] <apachelogger> takes a good second
[22:50]  * apachelogger blames kwin :P
[22:52]  * apachelogger really needs to fix keyboard mapping
[23:09] <yofel> WTH? strigi is funny: on BATTERY: running, on AC: disable to save resources
[23:09] <apachelogger> that is nepomuk,
[23:10] <yofel> yeah, but strigi is file indexing, right?
[23:10] <apachelogger> yes
[23:12] <yofel> hm, ruby qwt.so went missing in bindings...
[23:20] <apachelogger> about 1:15 to plasma-mobile
[23:20] <apachelogger> this is horrible
[23:20] <apachelogger> flipping horrible
[23:20] <apachelogger> that needs to go way below 20 seconds
[23:21] <apachelogger> yay
[23:21] <apachelogger> kbd works
[23:29] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: it is 19 seconds
[23:30] <apachelogger> to login
[23:40] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: nice
[23:52] <Riddell> ulysses: you'll get an e-mail and you follow the link to renew
[23:56] <ulysses> Riddell: I thought I have to re-apply for membership
[23:56] <apachelogger> nah
[23:56] <apachelogger> kubuntu council is lazy :P
[23:57] <ulysses> me too