[00:02] apachelogger: well printer-manager is a hard thing :P it's too tied to py.. [00:02] [muon] jmthomas * 1203438 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationModel/ (5 files) Make sure any existing extenders go away when the search filtering is changed [00:03] apachelogger: and libdebconf-kde is read for a release (sine I wrote the doxygen docs) [00:09] /usr/include stuff goes into kdelibs5-dev right? (the first 3 files http://paste.ubuntu.com/539579/) [00:21] yofel: yup [00:21] thanks [00:29] where did kubotu go [00:29] ? [00:29] DarkwingDuck: Riddell kicked him and apachelogger doesn't want to bring him back [00:30] lol [01:00] JontheEchidna: can you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdelibs/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42708 ? [01:18] * Mamarok grmls at not being able to use her ssh key anymore, and ssh-add not working either since upgrade to 4.6.1 beta [01:19] apparently the ssh-agent is not started, I had the same problem back with 4.5.2 [01:19] only the solution I used then (using ssh-keypass) doesn't work now [01:19] ssh-keyaddpass* even [01:21] bedtime, will look closer at that tomorrow, night everyone :) [01:24] Mamarok: same here :( [01:25] yofel: sure. (was blogging until just now) [01:26] JontheEchidna: nice to hear I am not alone, I was thinking I was the culprit [01:28] yofel: you seem to be missing the 4.80-0ubuntu7 change that I pushed this afternoon. [01:28] meh, I almost missed ubuntu6, but didn't check after that [01:29] I'll update the branch [01:29] thanks. Otherwise it looks good [01:30] JontheEchidna: erm, ubuntu7 isn't in bzr, at least not kdelibs [01:31] oh [01:31] ah, oops [01:31] I thought my change was ubuntu7 [01:31] nvm [01:31] heh [01:32] [ubuntu] Jonathan Thomas * echidnaman@kubuntu.org-20101204013246-newtgvrtivn5b2lz * debian/ (5 files in 2 dirs) * New upstream beta release - drop kubuntu_78_solid_trunk.diff and kubuntu_80_find_hupnp.diff, applied upstream - disable 23_solid_no_double_build.diff, causes FTBFS - refresh kdelibs5-dev.install [01:34] JontheEchidna: do we have meta-kde in bzr somewhere btw.? I can't find it [01:34] nope [01:34] k [02:02] yofel: FAM/gamin aren't in Main, IIRC. [02:02] !info libgamin-dev [02:02] libgamin-dev (source: gamin): Development files for the gamin client library. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1.10-1ubuntu3 (maverick), package size 29 kB, installed size 148 kB [02:02] it is, that's why I was wondering.. [02:03] Maybe we just forgot that one. [02:05] and we got the first ppa bug about kdevelop not working with 4.6.. [02:15] does anybody use pinentry on kubuntu? [02:15] I switched from gnome to kde and there is no working pinentry-qt4 [02:15] gpg-agent is not available in this session [02:23] worksforme(tm) [02:23] erm, any reason why kdelibs5 4.5.80 has: kdelibs5-data: Breaks: kdelibs-data (< 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-4) [02:24] our beta backports broke kde3 stuff [02:25] can I just backport the natty kdelibs package? [02:29] perfect time for connection reset *-.- === yofel_ is now known as yofel [02:30] the 4.5.4 package has only a replaces kdelibs-data and at least doesn't break anything [03:16] Replaces is likely more correct [03:56] apachelogger:ping [04:06] is prolly asleep [04:49] * ScottK looks around for the rest of v's nick [04:56] :o [04:57] ScottK: I'm down a server === v is now known as stalcup [04:57] Ah. So that's where it went. [04:58] ScottK: in about a week, i'll be ready to hit backports [04:58] Cool. [04:58] I am excited [05:30] "Bugs in packaging should be reported to kubuntu-ppa on Launchpad. Bugs in the software to KDE." [05:30] Can someone point me to a link where I can learn how to tell the difference? [05:30] I've stopped reporting *any* bugs because I have no idea which is which... :/ === stalcup is now known as vorian [07:36] DarkwingDuck: pong === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [08:07] \o [08:38] JontheEchidna: ping [09:49] apachelogger: with 10.10, how can I set may whole desktop to use Raster? [09:49] my* [09:49] markey: well, apachelogger coded some nice KCM for this and I packaged it [09:50] https://launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa [09:50] markey: ^ [09:50] hi folks [09:51] there is a bug on kubuntu-firefox-installer, it hangs on qapt batch installer, waiting eternally for authorization ... [09:52] barraponto: it's a known problem with policykit [09:52] Quintasan: thanks :) [09:52] it's binary backwards incompatible or something like this [09:53] barraponto: a fix should be out today or tomorrow [09:53] markey: no problems, be sure to report back if it works :) [09:53] Quintasan: thanks [09:53] Quintasan: i don't know if it is related to packaging, but i guess it is (maybe from debian folks) [09:54] Quintasan: upgrading to 4.6 beta has made konqueror the default browser [09:54] Riddell: ^ [09:55] Quintasan: i thought kubuntu-firefox-installer would revert that, thus i uninstalled firefox and found the bug. [09:55] apachelogger: are you going to put the "grouping patch" (either kernel or userspace) in Natty? [09:55] barraponto: thanks, I belive we already knew about auth problems with policykit but I'm not sure about the default browser [09:55] apachelogger: the performance improvemnt is incredible [09:56] apachelogger: I very much recommend to check that out (I use the userspace version) [09:56] markey: reallly? how can I check this? I compiled my kernel with this enable and I didnt notice anything :( [09:56] Quintasan: sec please [09:56] as soon as i run firefox installer properly i'll give it a check and post back [09:56] Quintasan: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html [09:57] Quintasan: it even comes with a script now, that does it automatically on Ubuntu [09:57] you will never want to go back :) [09:57] web sites load twice as fast, etc [09:57] markey: oh, an alternative? I applied that 200 magic lines patch to vanilla kernel and compiled it, I didnt notice anything :/ [09:57] Quintasan: try the userspace version [09:58] Torvalds said, it works better [09:58] and I can confirm that it works great [09:58] (dunno if it would conflict with your kernel patch...) [09:58] (I use a Vanilla 10.10 Kubuntu kernel) [09:58] markey: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/script-to-automatically-apply-200-lines.html <- this? [09:58] yes [09:58] I did it manually [09:59] but I guess the script will work fine [09:59] markey: any test-cases? :P [10:00] yeah, many people have benchmarked it [10:00] but not me [10:00] check Phoronix or so [10:00] my test case is Chromium [10:00] it works much faster now :) [10:00] even with make -j15 compile (icecream cluster) [10:03] Quintasan: uhm, I added your PPA, but still can't find the KCM [10:03] hmm [10:03] markey: you are not running natty I presume [10:03] nope [10:03] maverick [10:04] hrng [10:04] wait, let me copy it to maverick [10:04] thx [10:07] hi, yesterday the kubuntu-ppa/beta was updated to 4.6 beta1. however the version of kdevelop that is provided in the ppa does not start any more. [10:08] because of some kate-related changes, a kdevelop-4.2 snapshot would be required. [10:08] markey: https://launchpad.net/~quintasan/+archive/ppa/+files/kcm-qt-graphicssystem_1.3-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [10:08] try this [10:08] tim: same here [10:09] barraponto, i guess so ... do you know if there is any plan to package a 4.2 snapshot? [10:09] Quintasan: thanks a lot :) [10:09] markey: blame apachelogger if it doesn't work :P [10:10] tim: i tried to compile kdev 4.2 yesterday, but it would require a kdevplatform that is still under development [10:10] tim: so i'm back to vim for now. [10:10] ok, rebooting box, brb [10:12] Quintasan: ah, no workie. KCM needs KDE 4.6 [10:12] Quintasan: any idea how to do it manually? [10:12] I guess it just sets some config option? [10:13] found it [10:13] markey: whole system? I know about --graphicssystem raster as a parameter to app [10:13] export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=raster [10:13] in ~/.kde4/env [10:13] trying that now [10:14] Found that now :P [10:14] JontheEchidna: well, I packaged oxygen-gtk but I'm not sure why it doesn't work :/ [10:18] Quintasan: gaah. where does that env file belong, in Kubuntu? [10:18] there is a whole folder, .kde/env/ [10:19] http://paste.ubuntu.com/539688 [10:19] I think you want to put it in qt-graphicssystem.sh :P [10:19] hmm [10:19] makes sense [10:20] this was different in earlier releases, I think [10:20] there was only one file [10:20] ok reboot [10:20] brb [10:21] another kde 4.6 beta 1 issue: kmail has a problem signing mails. it tells me "Signing failed: Bad passphrase" [10:22] kleopatra reports that it cannot connect with the gpg-agent [10:23] tim: I think shadeslayer came up with that issue a bit also [10:23] jussi, ok .. seems the name `beta' is justified :) [10:25] re [10:25] Quintasan: seems to work nicely :) [10:26] as far as I can tell [10:26] it can be hard to tell the difference [10:26] cause it's not *that* much faster than my OpenGL driver [11:37] Riddell: new kdepim release 4.4.8 [11:39] i've just upgraded to kde 4.6 beta 1 and now I can't log in [11:40] if I use the failsafe login and try start x, I get X: user not authorized to run the X server, aborting [11:41] mfraz74: what version of -0ubuntux do you have [11:42] bulldog98: which package is that? [11:42] mfraz74: apt-cache show kdelibs5 -> have you ...-0ubuntu4 ? [11:43] s/-0ubuntu4/-0ubuntu5 is the current version/ [11:43] 4:4.5.80a [11:44] 4:4.5.80a-0ubuntu6 [11:44] mh [11:45] * bulldog98 has -0ubuntu5 atm [11:46] mfraz74: maybe it isn’t completly in archive yet and you have to wait for the next sync [11:47] bulldog98: ok is there any way of starting a wireless connection from the command line? [11:50] mfraz74: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/14/connect-to-a-wireless-network-via-command-line/ [11:58] that doesn't seem to work [12:02] suppose i'll have to connect wired when the package has been updated [12:19] well, it's not like we haven't been warning people that updating might eat their X servers [12:44] re [12:47] hi yofel === hunger_ is now known as hunger [12:59] Quintasan: oh, oxygen-gtk is sitting in new queue [12:59] meh [12:59] JontheEchidna: change this in TODO then :P [13:06] mm, so 4.6 beta 2, koffice rc, kdepim 4.4.8 and kdepim 4.6 beta 1 to do [13:07] easy peasy [13:07] oh and kdevelop too [13:07] * Riddell on to kdepim 4.6 beta 1 [13:07] @_@ [13:08] * Quintasan goes to KDE beta 2 then [13:11] * bulldog98 goes to kdepim beta 2 [13:11] * yofel has kdegraphics almost built [13:12] bulldog98: hang on [13:12] bulldog98: I've still got to get the 4.6 beta 1 packaging right for kdepim [13:12] I keep finding file overwrite errors that need fixing [13:12] Riddell: I need to do the deps first [13:12] deps are good [13:13] bulldog98: including a review of this :) http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/p/libassuan2 [13:14] Riddell: btw, the kde4libs 4.5.80 adds a " kdelibs5-data: Breaks: kdelibs-data (< 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-4)" which breaks kde3 stuff with the beta backports in maverick (comes from debian I think). Any recommendation how to solve that? 4.5.4 only has a replaces [13:15] yofel: do you know what files clash? [13:16] Riddell: its the 'Breaks:' that leads to kdelibs4c2a being removed [13:16] so you have to remove kde3 apps to install 4.6. currently [13:17] since maverick has 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-3ubuntu2.10.10.1 which is << 4:3.5.10.dfsg.1-4 [13:17] yofel: ah, so the question is what did debian change in -4 [13:17] and do we need to merge that [13:17] I always hate touching kde3 libs, means going into the murky world of autotools [13:18] we have -5 in natty, but I'm not sure if I can just backport that [13:18] yofel: changelog for help [13:18] probably can, check the changelog [13:18] Riddell: :) [13:18] * yofel goes trying apt-get changelog... [13:20] I made the mistake of touching kde3libs once ... [13:20] Brrrrr.... [13:20] droidslayer: try to forget it [13:21] bulldog98: I still have . [13:21] Nightmares.. [13:21] * bulldog98 holds droidslayer so he won’t get any Nightmare anymore [13:22] :'( [13:22] * droidslayer feels all better now... [13:23] WTF IS THIS [13:23] why the hell it works so slooooow now [13:23] * Quintasan can't comprehend this madness [13:23] Quintasan: what? [13:25] hm, merge changelog is rather long, poke debfx [13:25] kdegraphics built fine at least [13:26] yofel: go on to kdebase-runtime ^^ [13:26] let me finish commit stuff first :P [13:29] bulldog98, yofel: I want to do runtime [13:29] I already grabbed the source === tim_blechmann is now known as tim [13:29] Quintasan: sure, I didn't start yet [13:29] Quintasan: ok I’m doing pimlibs ftw [13:30] Quintasan: add yourself to packaging [13:31] bulldog98: can you do that for me? my PC started working insanely slow and I can't launch any other app than I have running now :/ [13:31] Quintasan: ok I’ll add you to that [13:40] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdegraphics/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42734 [13:40] * yofel -> lunch [13:40] yofel: groovy [13:40] but first, kdepim just installed [13:41] do I run it? [13:41] or will it blow up my computer? [13:41] * Riddell runs it [13:41] Kaboooommmmm [13:44] hmm, well kontact runs, can't read or write anything to address book [13:44] can't read or write to calendar [13:44] can't make a todo item [13:45] mm, this belongs in experimental I think [13:45] can't read or write to calendarkontact(9420)/kdecore (KLibrary) KPluginLoader::load: The plugin "akonadi_serializer_kcalcore" doesn't contain a kde_plugin_verification_data structure [13:45] wonder if that has anything to do with it [13:46] * Quintasan got a nice Cruzer pendrive with fingerprint reader, too bad this crap wont work under Linux [13:46] Riddell: anyway put it to experimental and we’ll package beta 2 to test if the errors are gone [13:46] bulldog98: good plan [13:47] Riddell: thx [14:08] ooh kmail-mobile is shiny [14:10] bulldog98: packaging pushed to bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu-4.6/ [14:10] Riddell: cool [14:11] and uploaded for natty to kubuntu-ppa/experimental [14:11] Riddell: Yes, kmal-mobile is nice... Qt Quick rocks:-) [14:11] I'm going to make kubuntu-ppa/experimental depend on kubuntu-ppa/beta so we can upload kdepim for maverick [14:14] yofel: kdegraphics merged [14:14] \o/ [14:18] Riddell: is a team meeting planed? [14:19] bulldog98: not currently, we just have them when someone wants one enough to organise one [14:19] bulldog98: so if you want one set up a doodle poll and ask people to signal when they're available [14:20] Riddell: I’d like to wait at least until kdepim beta 2 is out so we can test that before [14:23] bulldog98: you want beta 2 out before we have a meeting? [14:23] Riddell: yes [14:24] Riddell: kdebeta [14:28] and next week isn‘t good either because we go to an excursion with school so I’ll be back on 13.12. [14:31] Riddell: usr/include/gpgme++/configuration.h into libgpgme++2 or an -dev package? [14:32] kdepimlibs5-dev is the right package [14:32] bulldog98: you're packaging gpgme++? [14:32] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdegames/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42735 and https://code.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdemultimedia/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42736 [14:32] Riddell: it’s in kdepimlibs [14:32] bulldog98: oh I see, so it is [14:33] bulldog98: into kdepimlibs5-dev then [14:33] Riddell: that’s what I said [14:33] :) [14:33] [15:32:02] kdepimlibs5-dev is the right package [14:39] * bulldog98 finished kdepimlibs [14:40] * Riddell high fives bulldog98 [14:40] * bulldog98 needs to upload that stuff [14:42] games and multimedia uploaded [14:42] * yofel needs to buy some things, bbl [14:42] * Riddell high fives yofel [14:43] hi again [14:43] is there any news about the ssh problem? [14:44] Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~bulldog98/kdepimlibs/4.5.85/+merge/42737 [14:44] Mamarok: ssh problem? [14:45] Riddell: I can't use my ssh key anymore, ssh-agent seems started, ssh-add says no, and ssh-askpass doesn't work [14:46] JontheEchidna has the same problem with 4.6 beta [14:46] Mamarok: I can confirm that [14:47] Mamarok: use it for what? [14:47] to make git and svn checkouts [14:47] * Quintasan though he is alone with this bug [14:47] Riddell: singing messages [14:47] git pull asks a password but no way to enter it, seems not recognized [14:47] Mamarok: try this [14:47] Mamarok: ssh-agent [14:48] copy and paste this stuff is spews out to konsole [14:48] and then try ssh-add [14:48] paste where, here? [14:48] nah, in the console [14:49] ah [14:49] yay! it works :) thanks a bunch Quintasan :) [14:50] I don't think I even know what ssh-agent is never mind why a kde upgrade should break it [14:50] No problems, I just remembered I had that problem sometime ago [14:50] Riddell: ssh-agent is something that asks for you ssh key password with a nice window [14:50] or gpg key [14:51] is it related to pinentry? [14:53] I belive yes [14:53] believe* [14:53] which is part of kdepim I think, so that explains why a KDE upgrade would affect it [14:53] but I've never quite understood how it worked [14:55] well, the pinentry in KDE doesn't work correctly, one has to install the pinentry-qt4 package [14:56] at least I had to do that for KMyMoney [15:03] I miss the fancy panel, was quite useful on a dual screen setup, but it depends on older packages [15:05] Riddell: seen the merge request? [15:05] bulldog98: yes, will get to it shortly [15:06] ok [15:06] Riddell: kdepim failed [15:07] uh oh [15:07] bulldog98: did you do runtime first? [15:07] Riddell: yes kdepim depends on runtime [15:08] what's the error? [15:08] Riddell: dependency wait [15:09] bulldog98: oh you mean it failed in the PPA? [15:09] Riddell: yes [15:10] just needed assuan to compile first, retried [15:15] bulldog98: any new symbols in kdepimlibs? [15:15] no [15:15] only an update of the library libgpgme++2 from 2.7 to 2.8 [15:17] btw, why is the default file manager konqueror instead of Dolphin? [15:18] Mamarok: where is that? [15:19] bulldog98: kdepimlibs merged [15:19] * bulldog98 hugs Riddell [15:19] Riddell: from the Device Notifier [15:19] since KDE 4.5.3 actually, IIRC [15:20] Device Notifier opens with Dolphin here [15:22] hm, no idea why this was changed here [15:24] Mamarok: update-alternatives? [15:24] soo, anyone know what kubotu is doing in #kubuntu-offtopic? doesn't seem to respond to anything, just curious why it's there [15:26] bulldog98: that's not done at the debian packaging level, it'll be a setting somewhere in system settings [15:26] maybe Mamarok had dolphin uninstalled at some point for some reason [15:26] tsimpson: probably hiding after I kicked it out of here :) [15:27] * Riddell would welcome kubotu back as long as it didn't randomly repeat lines from people [15:27] Riddell: not that I can remember, but I changed it back now [15:27] it's a good place to hide [15:30] Kubuntiac: If it crashes, that's almost always upstream (KDE). If it has problems installing, that's almost always packaging. Feel free to ask here if you need advice on where to report stuff. [15:34] ScottK: I'm quite sure, that in some cases crashes could be caused by patches added in packaging. [15:34] ari-tczew: Thus the almost [15:34] (: [15:39] Mamarok: You should have already had pinentry-qt4 installed. It's part of kubuntu-desktop. [15:39] Riddell: ping [15:42] yofel: kdemultimedia merged, please pull from ~kubuntu-members as I had an uncommitted change [15:42] ari-tczew: If you're still having pinentry problems, check your ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf and make sure is still has "use-agent" in it. Some versions of seahorse-agent "helpfully" remove the contents of that config file. [15:45] "../../../mobile/lib/kdeclarativefullscreenview.h:26:21: fatal error: QGLWidget: No such file or directory" darn you kdepim [15:48] well then [15:49] austria is a silly place where one cannot obtain microsd's > class 4 [15:49] hooray [15:49] markey: youd want to ask in #ubuntu-devel or rather ubuntu-deve-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com [15:49] rbelem: ping [15:50] apachelogger, pong [15:50] apachelogger: about what? [15:50] ScottK: use-agent exist in this file. [15:50] rbelem: should we package the device adaptation stuff maybe? [15:50] OK. That's not the problem then. [15:50] markey: grouping patch [15:50] apachelogger, i think class 4 is not fast enough :-( [15:51] rbelem: you see me do it.... [15:51] apachelogger, i think we should [15:51] minionDispatch->requestMinion(Packaging); [15:51] apachelogger, can we have multiple sources for one package? [15:52] well [15:52] we can ditch all the gits into one source package [15:52] then build one or multiple binary packages from that [15:52] or we can have multiple source packages for each git repo and then have individual binary packages from that [15:52] I suppose you mean having one binary? [15:52] apachelogger, yup [15:55] apachelogger: erm. you will not find me visiting some Ubuntu channel [15:55] I couldn't care much less about that [15:55] apachelogger: *hug* [15:55] gotta run [15:55] bbl [15:58] ScottK: anyway, thanks for try to help. (: [15:59] rbelem: how do I start it then? [16:01] apachelogger, let's have one source pkg for each git [16:01] rbelem: but then we need multiple binary packages too [16:01] * apachelogger thinks that having one source is also more maintainable [16:02] me too [16:02] rbelem: so, how do I start from the microsd? [16:03] apachelogger, there are some git repos that needs to be in separated repos [16:03] or rather, how does the guide continue ;) [16:03] the lib* [16:03] apachelogger, partitioning it [16:03] already done that [16:04] made a fat16, swap and ext3 [16:04] apachelogger, 3 partitions? [16:04] scat the image onto the ext3 [16:04] apachelogger, which order? [16:04] synced, fsck'd, copied the files you listed in the braindump [16:04] rbelem: in that order [16:04] rbelem: does the order matter? [16:04] apachelogger, yup [16:04] silly crap [16:04] rbelem: what is the order then? [16:04] apachelogger: did you get in touch with clementine devs? [16:05] ari-tczew: not yet [16:05] apachelogger, because kernel looks for root on mmcblkp1 [16:05] apachelogger: they not gonna to migrate to phonon [16:05] apachelogger, ext3, swap, vfat [16:05] ari-tczew: why [16:05] apachelogger: because clementine is created to work with gstreamer [16:06] so? [16:06] that is not a reason [16:08] apachelogger, the kernel cmd line is set in its .config :-( [16:08] * apachelogger reformats [16:08] -.- [16:08] rbelem: so, once I have all the stuff done from the current list... how do I proceed? [16:10] apachelogger, mount loop the meego image and copy its vmlinuz and /lib/modules/ [16:10] to ubuntu partition [16:15] rbelem: and then? [16:16] apachelogger, you can boot [16:16] apachelogger: we want these patches in phonon? http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/171b1c677852083a8ca803671145afbc2f51f272 http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/211f1d0269de59238754df6ab147f2fdea63fba2 and http://gitorious.org/phonon/phonon/commit/56f731f9fd763fb8b371abab210fbe01b8cdcd21 ? [16:16] apachelogger, did make the other steps in the wiki? [16:17] rbelem: well, not yet, work in progress, but generally yes ;) [16:17] :-) [16:18] apachelogger, mine microsd class 10 is on the way to my city. it is already in brazil \o/ [16:18]