[01:34] <skletenb1ack> o0
[02:33] <Ambeer> heyy
[02:33] <Ambeer> If I had the daily build from dec 1st
[02:33] <Ambeer> can I just sudo dist-upgrade to update to alpha?
[02:33] <Ambeer> or do i need to dl the new ISO
[02:34] <yofel> dist-upgrade is enough
[02:35] <Ambeer> ok im doing that right now
[02:35] <Ambeer> It is taking a long time, so I assume its doing it correctly
[02:35] <yofel> more like we had a ton of updates after alpha1 release, if you get no error it's fine
[02:36] <Ambeer> I hope this fixes my unity problem
[02:37] <yofel> depends which one, can't help you though, I use KDE
[02:37] <Ambeer> It's alright
[02:37] <Ambeer> It's a driver problem and i cant figure what drivers i need ;(
[02:37] <yofel> Ambeer: what graphics card? 'lscpi | grep VGA' in a terminal
[02:38] <yofel> er, lspci | grep VGA
[02:38] <Ambeer> ATI Mobility HD 5470
[02:38] <yofel> don't know about ati I fear
[02:39] <Ambeer> the one that I dl'd from additional drivers
[02:39] <Ambeer> isnt enough :(
[03:08] <Ambeer> My Unity starts with no panels or Compiz
[03:08] <Ambeer> :(
[03:17] <Ambeer> hey cozziemoto
[03:28] <F3RR1S> Ambeer, I had similar issues... i ended up removing unity completely and gnome, gdm, gnome-desktop, and basically everything else gnome or unity, and marked them form complete removal... then reinstalled them... btw search and then sort...
[03:28] <F3RR1S> arg!
[03:37] <F3RR1S> Ambeer, I had similar issues... i ended up removing unity completely and gnome, gdm, gnome-desktop, and basically everything else gnome or unity, and marked them form complete removal... then reinstalled them... btw search and then sort...
[03:37] <Ambeer> d:
[03:37] <Ambeer> That seems complicated
[03:37] <F3RR1S> and then reinstall the packages you want...
[03:38] <F3RR1S> yeah... it took me a while because I did not want to "completely remove" but in the end it was the only way to get gnome back and have it work correctly
[03:39] <Ambeer> I have a paste of my error
[03:39] <Ambeer> when i run compiz --replace
[03:39] <F3RR1S> ok... do you have a link?
[03:40] <Ambeer> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ujHXUacW
[03:41] <Ambeer> Oh and I would have to remove gnome
[03:41] <Ambeer> since gnome works fine in classic session
[03:42] <Ambeer> just desktop session wont load any panels or compiz
[03:42] <F3RR1S> have you tried to reinstall?
[03:42] <Ambeer> re-install the entire OS?
[03:42] <Ambeer> Eh, ill try that now
[03:42] <Ambeer> this will be my third install
[03:43] <Ambeer> Last one on Dec 1st
[03:43] <F3RR1S> no... but I would reinstall the gdm, gnome-desktop, ubuntuon-*, Ubiquity*
[03:44] <Ambeer> Can you query me and walk me through it?
[03:44] <Ambeer> D:
[03:44] <Ambeer> It's ok if you are too busy
[03:44] <F3RR1S> I am not sure about "query" you.
[03:44] <F3RR1S> what do you mean?
[03:44] <Ambeer> PM
[03:44] <F3RR1S> oh, sure
[03:45] <F3RR1S> yeah, I can do it.
[03:45] <Ambeer> thankss :3
[04:15] <Andre_Gondim> why when I run flash player I see a overheat cpu?
[04:16] <Volkodav> because flash player sucks
[04:21] <Ambeer> flash player doesnt run well in mine either
[04:21] <Ambeer> eh, i dont really care about it
[04:34] <Andre_Gondim> I care about it, 'cause the overheat reboot my laptop
[05:46] <Ambeer> hey cozziemoto
[05:46] <Ambeer> you there?
[05:47] <Ambeer> Does anyone know a good .iso to DVD burner?
[05:48] <F3RR1S> i think brasero disk burner
[05:49] <Ambeer> thats the default one
[05:49] <Ambeer> Ill try it i guess
[05:49] <F3RR1S> yeah
[05:54] <Ambeer> ok
[05:54] <Ambeer> brb im gonna install it
[05:54] <Ambeer> like, be back in about 30mins-an hour
[06:06] <alex_mayorga> the latest kernel crashes on me :( and I no longer have toolbars on my desktop
[06:06] <alex_mayorga> ideas?
[06:17] <alex_mayorga> I can call programs with Do, though :)
[06:22] <alex_mayorga> is this due to unity?
[06:23] <nit-wit> naty natty natty seems to be running now at least with the classic desktop
[06:27] <alex_mayorga> gnome-panel & saved me :")
[06:27] <alex_mayorga> how do I report the bug for the kernel panic
[06:32] <nit-wit> alex_mayorga, I been just using the classic desktop unity takes up to much space, and you can choose the classic at login it is in place already
[06:32] <nit-wit> alex_mayorga, is it panicing every time
[06:36] <F3RR1S> I completely removed unity and gdm*, gnome* and reinstalled only gdm and gnome...
[06:36] <F3RR1S> my system works great without unity
[06:37] <F3RR1S> Ambeer, is having a huge problem with it too
[06:37] <F3RR1S> kind of makes me wonder if anyone is having success with unity....
[06:37] <alex_mayorga> nit-wit: the 2 times I tried to boot I got CAPS and SCR LK flashing
[06:38] <F3RR1S> alex_mayorga, which games?
[06:39] <alex_mayorga> F3RR1S: games?
[06:39] <nit-wit> alex_mayorga, have you 2 ets of kernels and have you tried another
[06:39] <nit-wit> sets
[06:39] <F3RR1S> lol... i can't seem to see anything!
[06:39] <alex_mayorga> nit-wit: how can I get the available kernels listed without reboot?
[06:40] <nit-wit> F33RR1S you know about the classic desktop alraedy installed accessible from the login window right
[06:41] <F3RR1S> yep...
[06:41] <F3RR1S> I just want to run gnome only
[06:42] <nit-wit> alex_mayorga, nopt sure what you mean you have kernel panic and you ca't reboot sounds like I've fallen and can't get up;)
[06:42] <F3RR1S> I have it set the way I like it and everything is beautiful now
[06:42] <nit-wit> not
[06:42] <F3RR1S> I have felt that way a few times in linux...
[06:43] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, I don't like unity, I checked out linux mint 10 on my Vbox I might just switch to that
[06:43] <F3RR1S> but I would have been able to get up had I turned on the light and got a hold on things
[06:45] <F3RR1S> nit-wit, should be pretty familiar since they are both ubuntu.... well mint is built off ubuntu and ubuntu was built off of debian...
[06:45] <F3RR1S> debian got me hooked on gnome
[06:46] <rww> You'll be able to select non-Unity GNOME in Ubuntu's GDM. No need to switch distros for it o.O
[06:46] <F3RR1S> gnome ain't pretty but is certainly solid.
[06:46] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, I have a well understanding of the OS's and others but if all you can get is unity in the end, i will jumpship to mint, or arch or who knows what I have used a many
[06:47] <F3RR1S> tried arch... it was a horrible experience for me... are they still supporting it?
[06:47] <F3RR1S> it was several years ago that I used it
[06:47] <rww> yes, it's still around
[06:48] <alex_mayorga> !panic
[06:48] <alex_mayorga> !kernel
[06:49] <nit-wit> F3RR1S, are you kiding arch is the thang for many rolling release and easy rollbacks, it's not for everybody though, you have to know what your doing excellent wiki's though on any problems
[06:49] <nit-wit> kidding
[06:50] <F3RR1S> i think debian was easier to get up and running... and we all know that debian is right up there with the worst of the worst to get going! lol
[06:51] <rww> I don't think Debian's that hard these days, though I may be biased ;)
[06:51] <rww> definitely a lot better than it used to be
[06:51] <SwedeMike> rww: no, I agree, since 4.0 or so, it's become much easier.
[06:52] <SwedeMike> when I installed debian for a desktop system in 2005-2006 or so I had flashbacks from the mid 90ties, having to fiddle with modelines etc. Then with etch everything actually worked out of the box.
[06:53] <rww> yeah. I'm very glad installation doesn't involve configuring XFree86 any more >.>
[06:53] <F3RR1S> no... it isn't hard but I don't think it was ever really that hard... you just had to know what you have in your mysterious tower/laptop... and then get that DAMNED WIFI working
[06:53] <alex_mayorga> so no one knows how to report my kernel panic?
[06:53] <F3RR1S> etch was great... except for the wifi
[06:53] <F3RR1S> lol
[06:53] <rww> alex_mayorga: "ubuntu-bug linux", I think
[06:54] <SwedeMike> yeah, wifi is a whole other matter. I use ubuntu for desktop and debian for server, and I have no plans to change that.
[06:54] <alex_mayorga> rww: would that work if I'm not running the panicking kernel
[06:54] <rww> I switched to an ath9k-compatible wifi card. Best $50 I ever spent.
[06:55] <F3RR1S> it could just be that I had a sony vaio with a linksys network card.... probably the worst two combinations in the history of computing...
[06:55] <SwedeMike> debian stable is really stable, ubuntu is nice because of frequent updates so one always has the latest hw support.
[06:55] <rww> alex_mayorga: hrm. no idea.
[06:55] <F3RR1S> << loves debian servers
[06:55] <F3RR1S> although CentOS servers are nice too
[06:56] <rww> ... I think I just crashed apport.
[06:56] <F3RR1S> though I am not a RH fan
[07:02] <jdn> Hi everybody
[07:03] <jdn> Natty is Using Gnome or Unity ?
[07:03] <rww> jdn: Unity for computers that support Compiz; GNOME panel otherwise.
[07:04] <jdn> rww : otherwise ?
[07:04] <rww> jdn: GNOME panel for computers that don't support Compiz
[07:05] <jdn> rww: I have compiz installed so think will support
[07:05] <rww> jdn: I think so.
[07:06] <jdn> lots of noise about disadvantages of Unity in 10.04 for netbooks.
[07:08] <rww> jdn: Unity in 11.04 is a rewrite in Compiz. It's not comparable to Unity in 10.10 or 10.04.
[07:57] <cozziemoto> hey guys. just installed natty onto my nvidia machine...unlike on this ati machine,,,i dont have top bar or side panel...will this show up after installing nvidia drivers///
[07:57] <cozziemoto> ?
[07:58] <F3RR1S> probably not... I don't think it is due to drivers
[07:59] <cozziemoto> mmm
[08:44] <cozziemoto> ok I understand that the panel at the top is static...no right click options...so is there no way to add applets?
[08:51] <vish> cozziemoto: yea, not possible to add applets..
[08:51] <cozziemoto> vish,  ok thankas
[08:51] <cozziemoto> thanks
[08:51] <vish> yw
[09:45] <cozziemoto> ok did all updates and installed nvidia driver now it does not boot to anything
[09:50] <cozziemoto> also does not see my other hard drive...might have to reinstall grub  but this is consistent with each time I have tried
[10:59] <coz_> mm ok got it working on my nvidia machine but  the upper panel is white  O)
[11:01] <coz_> here's a screenshot   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/panel.png
[11:26] <nperry>   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/panel.png
[11:26] <nperry> Sorry more caffinine needed :/
[11:26] <nperry> Thought this was chromium
[11:38] <coz_> ok when is  good time to request the wallpaper options be changed  as they used to be?
[11:41] <coz_> this bug has been in ubuntu since lucid
[11:41] <scizzo-> coz_: what bug?
[11:41] <coz_> scizzo-,  wallpaper options  force users to edit images according to theri resoluton on dual monitors
[11:42] <coz_> option "Span" should do just that,,,span any image across both monitors ...but it only centers an image
[11:42] <scizzo-> coz_: send in a enhancement request to launchpad
[11:42] <coz_> scizzo-,   well this is a bug not an enhancement
[11:43] <scizzo-> coz_: ok...then bugreport it... :)
[11:43] <coz_> scizzo-,  that's been done by me and many others since lucid
[11:53] <jakubo> hi, can you help my get my i945 working correctly?
[11:56] <jakubo> i.e. running desktop effects?
[12:06] <DJAshnar> Good bacon to all!
[12:07] <jakubo> bacon or beacon?
[12:43] <jakubo> noone knows anything?
[12:53]  * penguin42 knows nothing yet, not had breakfast
[12:53] <penguin42> what was the question?
[12:54] <jakubo> thats why i love irc
[12:54] <jakubo> i945 and compiz
[12:54] <jakubo> i get no desktop effects
[12:54] <penguin42> on natty?
[12:54] <jakubo> yup
[12:55] <jakubo> andi get no panels at all in unity
[12:55] <penguin42> jakubo: So it was working for me last weekend when I last tried it, when I rebooted today it all crashed horribly and I'm back in metacity
[12:56] <jakubo> it never worked for me in maverick aswell
[12:56] <jakubo> i usually update more than once a day
[12:56] <jakubo> i get Dec  4 13:41:46 localhost kernel: [ 7537.526113] compiz[3786]: segfault at 7100f8 ip 009e8e09 sp bf85b790 error 4 in libglib-2.0.so.0.2704.0[9aa000+d1000]
[12:57] <penguin42> hey well that's life in a pre-alpha!
[12:58] <jakubo> sure, but it never worked in maverick
[12:58] <jakubo> aswell
[13:00] <jakubo> and my sata hard drive yields about 30MB/s read performance
[13:00] <penguin42> oh that sucks
[13:01] <jakubo> do you know anything about the glxgears thing?
[13:02] <penguin42> I'll hdparm mine in a few mins, it's just busy updating
[13:02] <penguin42> what about glxgears?
[13:02] <jakubo> that you get ca.30 fps when mouse is not moving?
[13:03] <penguin42> yeh I saw that as well last week - that's odd, I'm assuming that's some problem with the fram esyncing
[13:04] <jakubo> i wonder if its connected to compiz
[13:05] <jakubo> what is the difference between a clean install and a constantly upgraded system?
[13:08] <penguin42> ah various difficult to spot things
[13:08] <penguin42> jakubo: Lets say that in a previous version package Y got installed but the new version doesn't use Y, you would still have Y installed - Y might now break
[13:08] <jakubo> are there different things being installed? are scripts being unchanged?
[13:09] <penguin42> sorry, don't understand the question
[13:09] <jakubo> i thought thats handeld by the partial dist upgrades
[13:09] <penguin42> it generally won't take a package off unless it conflicts with something new
[13:09] <jakubo> when things get removed
[13:10] <jakubo> there is no command to get rid of old unused packages is there?
[13:10] <jakubo> except for the janito
[13:10] <jakubo> r
[13:11] <penguin42> jakubo: It's not just old packages, it can be things like config settings that are no longer common/tested or old config files left around
[13:13] <jakubo> so its destined to fail when upgrading
[13:13] <penguin42> jakubo: This laptop has been upgraded through at least 3 or 4 versions probably more - I generally have to fix a few things and it's a bit more touchy than a new install
[13:13] <jakubo> but you can use unity cant you?
[13:13] <penguin42> oh I wouldn't say destined to fail, but there are normally a few gotchas; especially with alpha or pre-alpha
[13:13] <penguin42> jakubo: You're running something pre-alpha stop worrying about it
[13:15] <jakubo> stop worrying that unity is not to be used?
[13:15] <penguin42> stop worrying that it's currently broken
[13:15] <jakubo> umm.. ok
[13:16] <penguin42> sorry, pidgin died during an upgrade
[13:35] <coz_> hey guys ,,,when switching to dual monitors...the top bar turns white....nvidia    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/panel.png
[14:23] <coz_> oo not alt+F2  on natty /unity?
[14:29] <charlie-tca> ctrl+alt+t
[14:29] <charlie-tca> maybe?
[14:42] <coz_> charlie-tca,  thats  to open a terminal
[14:43] <coz_> since run dialog was imcorporated into gnome shelll I think it will not work on unity
[14:43] <coz_> I install gmrun
[14:43] <charlie-tca> Okay
[16:01] <Galindar> hello, i've installed 11.04 on my system. running currently, but when i try to enable the graphics driver i loose all visual display on restart. i have tried all 3 graphics drivers given. it only happens when attempting to load unity desktop
[16:01] <Galindar> i was using unity on 10.10 previous to installing 11.04.
[16:03] <BUGabundo> what GPU?
[16:03] <BUGabundo> compiz is kinda broken
[16:03] <BUGabundo> and composite too
[16:04] <Galindar> nvidia
[16:04] <penguin42> it seems just as broken on Intel
[16:05] <Galindar> i went to the extent of installing different graphics cards (all i have is old ones but still support 3d) and got nothing. 3 different cards
[16:05] <BUGabundo> ehe
[16:05] <BUGabundo> great
[16:06] <BUGabundo> 3 cards?
[16:06] <BUGabundo> good luck
[16:06] <BUGabundo> that should be a nightmare with out implmentation of X11 :P
[16:06] <Galindar> no 1 at a time, none worked with unity
[16:06] <BUGabundo> afaik you will only be able to pick one on boot
[16:06] <Galindar> lol..
[16:06] <BUGabundo> oh ok then
[16:07] <BUGabundo> I guess you could use two in multi head scheme
[16:07] <BUGabundo> "should" work
[16:07] <BUGabundo> with nvidia blobs
[16:07] <BUGabundo> _if_ they use all the same
[16:07] <BUGabundo> not sure what's the status of multi driver at the same time
[16:07] <BUGabundo> *shrug*
[16:07] <BUGabundo> try #ubuntu-x on a week day
[16:08] <Galindar> was just trying to get unity to load. i tried ati, nvidia, and trident cards. none would display unity (single card hooked up each time)
[16:08] <BUGabundo> yeah, as I said, current state is no good
[16:08] <BUGabundo> I'm using classic and even that had to be hammered in
[16:08] <BUGabundo> still no 3D (which you need for unity)
[16:09] <Galindar> yea i cant enable 3d on classic or it will crash also
[16:09] <Galindar> so.. just wait?
[16:12] <penguin42> welcome to pre-alpha
[16:13] <charlie-tca> heh, we made it all the to alpha1 before it broke too bad
[16:14] <BUGabundo> I've been here since day one, *shrug*
[16:14] <BUGabundo> but hey, I've managed to fix nouveau and firefox 3.6 :D
[16:15] <BUGabundo> so win for me
[16:30] <penguin42> erk ok, I hadn' realised alpha-1 was actually out
[16:32] <Galindar> http://paste.ubuntu.com/539758/ <- have a look please. is it just not seeing my monitor?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Galindar, do you get the black screen or the wallpaper?
[16:36] <Galindar> if i activate the 3d graphic driver (any of the 3 listed) when i reboot to apply, i get the ubuntu screen with white/red circles. it looks very bad and big graphically. then disappears very quickly. screen flickers as if loading the gui but i get just a dark screen.
[16:36] <coz_> try    nomodet in boot  command before  quietspalsh maybe
[16:37] <coz_> nomodeset    rather
[16:37] <Galindar> i think at one point lastnight i had sound and no screen even. i've done about 12 format/reinstall
[16:37] <coz_> Galindar, I had this issue with the install this morning also
[16:38] <Galindar> how do i do the nomodeset?
[16:38] <coz_> Galindar, reboot....hold down the shift key  to get the grub menu....then hit the lower case "e"
[16:39] <coz_> Galindar,   look for the  "quietsplash"   and just before that type in   nomodeset
[16:39] <coz_> then hit  F10  I believe to boot ,,,it will tell you which key to hit
[16:40] <Galindar> ok cool tyvm. i will give it a try.
[16:41] <Galindar> enable the 3d card again first correct?
[16:42] <coz_> Galindar,  you mean install the driver?
[16:42] <coz_> Galindar,  yes
[16:42] <Galindar> ya
[16:49] <Galindar> ok installed. giving it a go. ty again coz. be back.
[16:57] <Galindar> well that worked ;c) but on 10.10 with unity i had empathy, cheesebox, and some others in the unity bar. is that different for 11.04 or am i missing some unity stuff?
[16:57] <Galindar> that and it runs much slower on 11.04 than 10.10
[17:01] <charlie-tca> It only has a few items now. Joys of alpha
[17:02] <Galindar> ah ok np ;c) good to know. ty.
[17:02] <charlie-tca> yw, New installs have, I think, 4 launchers
[17:03] <Galindar> can i add items to the launcher? havent seen an option for that yet.
[17:04] <charlie-tca> yes. When you open an application, it will appear on the dock, you can then right-click and there is an option to add it there.
[17:04] <charlie-tca> Ctrl+Alt+t opens the terminal.
[17:04] <charlie-tca> I use /usr/share/applications to run things
[17:06] <coz_> what I did was install cairo dock and easystroke for accessing applications
[17:12] <Galindar> well ty all for the help. gl and enjoy.
[21:16] <aroman> any chance of trying A1+Unity under VirtualBox?
[21:26] <geser> does somebody know how I can start a second terminal from the left sidebar? I managed to get an launcher for terminal there but not the trick how to use to start additional terminals
[21:28] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, are you seeing a situation where scrolling through webpapges causes high cpu usage in chromium?
[21:28] <BUGabundo> no
[21:28] <BUGabundo> # free
[21:28] <BUGabundo>               total         used         free       shared      buffers
[21:28] <BUGabundo>   Mem:       638368       448424       189944            0        59740
[21:28] <BUGabundo> sorry
[21:28] <BUGabundo> 10.0.601.0 (68139) Ubuntu 11.04
[21:29] <BUGabundo> BUT
[21:29] <BUGabundo> $ chromium-browser --disable-accelerated-compositing
[21:29] <BUGabundo> I always start it like this
[21:30] <bjsnider> alright try this
[21:30] <bjsnider> http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film3/blu-ray_reviews53/the_fugitive_blu-ray.htm
[21:30] <bjsnider> grab the scrollbar and pull it up and down from top to bottom'
[21:30] <bjsnider> is it smooth or choppy?
[21:35] <BUGabundo> tottaly smooth
[21:35] <BUGabundo> no cpu usaged
[21:35] <charlie-tca> aroman, untiy will not work in VirtualBox since there is no 3d
[21:36] <BUGabundo> can you reproduce on a clean profile?
[21:36] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: --temp-profile
[21:47] <bjsnider> BUGabundo, makes no difference
[21:49] <BUGabundo> wfm , sorry
[21:50] <BUGabundo> nouveua, if that's a diff
[21:50] <bjsnider> that could be it
[22:27] <crimsun> interesting. gconf-d is spiking latencytop with fsyncs.
[22:28] <crimsun> it's wreaking havoc on interactivity fo' sho'
[22:29] <BUGabundo> hey crimsun
[22:29] <BUGabundo> LONGGGGGGGGG time no see
[22:29] <crimsun> hi
[22:30] <crimsun> i'm around, but i just don't use irc
[22:30] <crimsun> ssh access is difficult
[22:31] <BUGabundo> ahh
[22:31] <BUGabundo> and web? LOL
[22:31] <BUGabundo> https://webchat.freenode.net
[22:32] <crimsun> I don't feel like skirting my work's IT policies ;)
[22:34] <BUGabundo> I know how you feel
[22:34] <BUGabundo> I'm the same
[22:34] <BUGabundo> so now you are stuck at only ONE office?
[22:34] <BUGabundo> no more traveling around ?
[22:35] <crimsun> I'm all over
[22:35] <BUGabundo> :|
[22:53] <penguin42> it's a bit odd, I previously didn't use external IRC at work, but I'm now working on open source stuff and actually work with people over public irc, so it's quite refereshing
[22:53] <BUGabundo> I believe so
[22:57] <crimsun> yeah, that would be ideal