=== MichealH-iPod changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: The === UndiFineD changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: The Ubuntu Tour Project! | http://ubuntutour.org | Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo#List | Get the tour at http://ubuntutour.org/download | Meeting to happen tommorow (04/12/10) at 16:00 GMT, add to the topics list at http://openetherpad.org/jP2PeIcHQO [00:03] :) [00:03] Dang it [00:03] mistake MichealH [00:03] :) [00:03] My iPod is bad [00:03] I will seek revenge on my IRC99 tommoro [00:03] Damn [00:03] bash away [00:04] Wut? And swear at it nooo..... [00:04] ;) [00:05] Anyway, back to reading up on PHP stuff and expanding mah knowldge [00:06] Change 'tommorow' for 'today' in the /topic [00:06] That's what I wuz gonna do [00:06] See yas === Muscovy changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: The Ubuntu Tour Project! | http://ubuntutour.org | Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo#List | Get the tour at http://ubuntutour.org/download | Meeting to happen Saturday (04/12/10) at 16:00 GMT, add to the topics list at http://openetherpad.org/jP2PeIcHQO [00:07] Muscovy: Will you be able to make 16 hours from now? [00:07] Yep. [00:07] 8 AM for me. [00:08] What time would that be there? [00:08] ...wait [00:08] Yeah, 8. [00:08] that is 17.00 PM, which may be problematic for me [00:09] It would be well, 16:00 :) [00:09] gmt+1 [00:09] I like being in the middle of everyone ;) [00:09] GMT +0 [00:10] Anyway, bye! [02:23] xHmm [02:23] I hope I wake up in time for the meeting === Crisco is now known as zz_Crisco [12:54] hi all [14:07] hi guys [14:08] hi [14:09] hi UndiFineD :) [14:10] i've been unactive for a while cause i was finishig the thesis for my degree, and after reading the meeting logs, it's unclear to me what has been decided about translations [14:11] can you tell me [14:15] well, the deadline came and nobody did anything till the deadline... really weird [14:15] only after UDS some people continued works [14:16] one thing is certain, ubuntu-tour wont be on the installation cd for natty [14:18] hm that's a shame, the tour is shaping very good [14:19] the cd does not have the space for it, simple as that [14:20] i even doubt there is space available on a dvd [14:20] i was wondering that [14:20] so what's the plan [14:29] I dunno but if you wanna bring it up in the meeting add it to the thing in /topic [14:30] "add to the topics list at http://openetherpad.org/jP2PeIcHQO" === MichealH changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: The Ubuntu Tour Project! | http://ubuntutour.org | Join https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-tour | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTour/Todo#List | Get the tour at http://ubuntutour.org/download | Meeting to happen at 16:00 GMT, add to the topics list at http://openetherpad.org/jP2PeIcHQO [14:48] ok I added it [14:49] Hello everyone. [15:51] almost time [15:52] :) [15:52] Yup [15:53] I will be driving the bot today [15:53] Hello all. [15:53] Hey Muscovy [15:54] sup Muscovy [15:55] :> [15:55] Its arly but meh [15:55] #startmeeting [15:55] Meeting started Sat Dec 4 15:55:28 2010 UTC. The chair is MichealH. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell. [15:55] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [15:55] Right all, Hi! [15:55] MichealH, perhaps let's wait just a few minutes in case anyone else is getting up early. [15:55] This is the frist meeting with meetingology [15:55] Yeah [15:56] Im just gonna quickly do this [15:56] who's he [15:56] When I cast a vote you can say +1 to agree and -1 to disagree [15:57] Right, Its 16:00 GMT [15:57] Lets go! [15:57] #topic A New way to do the meeting? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: A New way to do the meeting? [15:57] TOPIC: A New way to do the meeting? [15:57] Okay, we have now got meetingology which gives us many features [15:57] We can pick who should drive the bot on the next meeting maybe? [15:58] Probably whoever chairs the meetings. [15:58] Like a vote [15:58] Muscovy: Thats what Im saying [15:58] I agree with Muscovy. [15:58] we should pick a time to next meeti up and who should chair it [15:59] at the end of the meeting [15:59] Maybe it's a bit early to pick the time, unless we want to start meetings every two weeks or something. [15:59] We could vote on that. [15:59] Yeah [16:00] We should meet up often [16:00] ~2 weeks [16:00] That way we also won't end up with really long meetings. [16:00] That seems like a good idea. [16:00] Who is currently present? [16:00] Yeah [16:00] * Muscovy is here. [16:00] Omega: The bot works that out [16:01] o/ [16:01] I think jasono is coming back. [16:01] If someone writes ANYTHING then it says he/she is here [16:01] What's the command to list those present, MichealH? [16:01] Is it agreed? [16:01] And, I haven't seen MadnessRed in a while. [16:01] #help [16:01] Muscovy: It outputs them [16:01] #help [16:01] :/ [16:01] :L [16:01] I will ping Alan after the meeting [16:02] #list [16:02] Is it agreed on? [16:02] Is what agreed on? [16:02] The doing the meeting up every 2 weeks and cast a vote on the chari [16:02] #vote Meeting every two weeks [16:03] :| [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 [16:03] #vote Meeting every two weeks? [16:03] Please vote on: Meeting every two weeks? [16:03] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from Muscovy [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from Omega [16:03] +1 [16:03] +1 received from MichealH [16:03] #endvote [16:03] Voting ended on: Meeting every two weeks? [16:03] Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [16:03] Motion carried [16:03] Mhm. [16:03] #action at the end of the meeting, agree on a meeting time and place. [16:03] ACTION: at the end of the meeting, agree on a meeting time and place. [16:04] Ok, so we'll try to have meetings every other week. [16:04] #action at the end of the meeting, agree on a chair foir the next meeting [16:04] ACTION: at the end of the meeting, agree on a chair foir the next meeting [16:04] #topic Plan for translations === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: Plan for translations [16:04] TOPIC: Plan for translations [16:04] Who here is a translator? [16:04] Moiso: I beleive this is your topic? [16:04] Moiso: ? [16:05] UndiFineD, you around? [16:05] We can bring this up at the end maybe? [16:05] Sure. [16:05] #topic Website design [16:05] #topic Website design === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: Website design [16:05] TOPIC: Website design [16:06] o/ [16:06] Moiso: You just missed it but we will come back to it [16:06] Sorry, yep I'm translator [16:06] Ok [16:06] Right, im sure you have been following what has been brewing at ubuntutour.org/beta/ [16:06] http://ubuntutour.org/beta/ [16:06] I was wondering what type of things you want to see [16:07] #link http://ubuntutour.org/beta/ [16:07] I was thinking of a blog for the site [16:07] Where mambers can post updates [16:07] *members [16:08] that's a good idea [16:08] #vote Blog for members to post updates? [16:08] Please vote on: Blog for members to post updates? [16:08] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:08] +1 [16:08] +1 received from MichealH [16:08] +0 [16:08] hello [16:08] +0 [16:09] Hello. [16:09] #endvote [16:09] Voting ended on: Blog for members to post updates? [16:09] Votes for:1 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [16:09] Motion carried [16:09] +1 [16:09] MichealH: Don't end votes so fast [16:09] Not everyone has voted [16:09] I have to go .. dinner [16:09] Smakelijk eten. [16:09] Okay, so we have 2 +1's and 2 +'s [16:09] *+0's [16:10] I'm just not sure how many things we'll have to put on there, though I have no problem with a blog. [16:10] But, will the blog be for 'members' [16:10] Or for the project? [16:10] Its like I setup a twitter yesterday, The members can post updates about the project [16:10] The same can happen on the blog [16:11] MichealH: Could the text in the top menu be centered vertically? [16:11] Hello MixCool. [16:11] Hi [16:11] sorry for beeing late :/ [16:11] Omega: What do you mean? [16:11] No prob [16:11] Hi [16:11] hi [16:11] Well, be in the middle of the rectangle [16:12] Omega: Like the footer? [16:12] "Ubuntu Tour" and "Download" are not on the same level [16:12] It would be nice it it used the official colour palate a bit more. [16:12] No, not like the footer [16:12] That too [16:12] Ahh I can fix that [16:13] #action MichealH to make the pallete more Ubuntu-y and to fix bugs while adding a blog [16:13] ACTION: MichealH to make the pallete more Ubuntu-y and to fix bugs while adding a blog [16:13] MichealH: http://design.canonical.com/brand/D.%20Ubuntu%20Web%20Guidelines.pdf is handy for web themeing stuff. [16:13] #link http://design.canonical.com/brand/D.%20Ubuntu%20Web%20Guidelines.pdf [16:13] Muscovy: Link noted [16:14] #topic Bug reporting frontend (like bugs.ubuntu-manual.org) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: Bug reporting frontend (like bugs.ubuntu-manual.org) [16:14] TOPIC: Bug reporting frontend (like bugs.ubuntu-manual.org) [16:14] Any takers? [16:14] * MichealH points to himself [16:14] I thought it would be good for 2 reasons. [16:15] Firstly, it makes it easier to request specific info. [16:15] #link bugs.ubuntu-manual.org [16:15] Secondly, it allows users without an LP account to report bugs. [16:15] Though we could have a "report as me" button that redirects to a filled-out LP form. [16:16] I think it would be great because I can create a API for a IRCBot to hang in here? [16:16] Hmm? [16:16] Then it would say New Bug received : 1 - blah blah [16:16] That would be handy. [16:16] Yes, that would be a good idea. [16:17] I can write the system? [16:17] And when a bug number is pasted it could fetch the title [16:17] Omega: yeah [16:17] We'd best ask for the manual one's code, since I have no idea how parts of the work. [16:17] I can make one, me being a PHP guru [16:17] Specifically, I have no idea how to submit a web form without going "click". [16:18] Muscovy: Dont make me go into MySQL statements ;) [16:18] If you think you can make one, go ahead. [16:18] :) [16:18] #action MichealH to work on ubuntutour.orf bug frontend [16:18] ACTION: MichealH to work on ubuntutour.orf bug frontend [16:18] We can link that to Help -> Report a bug. [16:18] Damn [16:18] Yup [16:18] #removeaction MichealH to work on ubuntutour.orf bug frontend [16:18] #action MichealH to work on ubuntutour.org bug frontend [16:18] ACTION: MichealH to work on ubuntutour.org bug frontend [16:19] +1 [16:19] #topic Publicity rollout === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: Publicity rollout [16:19] TOPIC: Publicity rollout [16:19] Ok, the key thing. :D [16:20] We're basically "ready" to start rolling out the tour for mass testing. [16:20] +1 [16:20] Mhm. [16:20] Now that we have most of the writing, about half the screenshots, and a PPA going. [16:21] We can use this to help complete the missing things, and get advice/fixes on any issues. Things that are to simple, to complexe, and so on. [16:21] A little while ago we made a "release statement": http://openetherpad.org/7jAZk435OA [16:22] Basically, once we decide we're ready, we send that or links to posts _everywhere_. [16:22] Perhaps a vote on if we're ready to start that, or if we should wait? [16:22] I think we should wait for the bug frontend before we do it, maybe even a fast whipped-up version (or use the UMP's untill ours is done) [16:22] So it's easier to get feedback. [16:23] Hmm. [16:23] Though help -> report a bug does open the LP bug page and includes the version info. [16:23] #vote Ready to release a Beta? [16:23] Please vote on: Ready to release a Beta? [16:23] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:23] Hmm. [16:23] +0 [16:24] +0 [16:24] +0 (We need to wait) [16:24] Everyone voted? [16:24] +0 [16:24] -1 [16:24] -1 received from Omega [16:25] #endvote [16:25] Voting ended on: Ready to release a Beta? [16:25] Votes for:0 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0 [16:25] Motion denied [16:25] I'd also like to see the beta site finished by release time. [16:25] I explained above why I think we shoudl wait. [16:25] MichealH: You're going to have a lot of things on your plate :P [16:25] #action To release the beta we need to have Website and Bug Tracker [16:25] ACTION: To release the beta we need to have Website and Bug Tracker [16:25] Yeah, that too. [16:25] +1 [16:26] I feel in terms of the tour itself we're ok to release. [16:26] Mhm. [16:26] #topic Meeting Info and Agenda, on the Wiki?!? === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: Meeting Info and Agenda, on the Wiki?!? [16:26] TOPIC: Meeting Info and Agenda, on the Wiki?!? [16:26] And the beta will hopefully get us some outside contribution to polish the tour. [16:27] Yep. [16:27] I think we should have our Agenda on the wiki [16:27] The logs can go on too [16:27] I'm picturing it being like the last time but moreso because the tour is way cooler now. [16:27] meetingology generates Wiki output [16:27] MichealH: Error: "generates" is not a valid command. [16:28] That would be helpful [16:28] Yeah. [16:28] I can mail out the link and a brief list of what happened. [16:28] #vote Meeting Items on the wiki [16:28] Please vote on: Meeting Items on the wiki [16:28] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:28] +1 [16:28] +1 received from Muscovy [16:28] +1 [16:28] +1 received from MichealH [16:28] +1 [16:28] +1 received from MixCool [16:28] Maybe posting about it on the ubuntu-desktop mailing list would be helpful too. [16:28] +1 [16:28] +1 received from Omega [16:28] Yeah. [16:28] #endvote [16:28] Voting ended on: Meeting Items on the wiki [16:28] Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [16:28] Motion carried [16:29] #action MichealH to add logs to wiki and to organise the wiki acordingly [16:29] ACTION: MichealH to add logs to wiki and to organise the wiki acordingly [16:29] Ok, anything else that needs doing? [16:29] #topic Plan for translations === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: Plan for translations [16:29] TOPIC: Plan for translations [16:29] Right. [16:29] That was postponed [16:30] Yes please [16:30] Who had something to say on the matter? [16:30] I feel a little lost here [16:30] Moiso: Break a leg! ;) [16:30] It's the tour ready to translate? [16:31] I mean totally? [16:31] Not totally. [16:31] Moiso: You can start and there will be plenty to keep you going :) [16:31] We want to focus on doing the English stuff first so translators don't have to keep redoing things. [16:31] Some chapters are nearly done though [16:31] Basically, It will never ever be fully traslated, ther [16:31] yes I understand [16:32] and could be translated with few future edits. [16:32] *there will be new items and we will need to keep up [16:32] I was thinking once we get feedback and finish writing, we'll open the translation floodgates. [16:33] But if I translate now, is there a risk of getting some work lost because of edits? [16:33] Some, but you should be able to tell what looks finished. [16:34] The about-ubuntu chapter is more or less done, for example. [16:34] If you don't have time, I wouldn't worry about translating now though. [16:34] #action finish writing and get the Site/BugTracker and then build a beta to open the Translations for everyone [16:34] ACTION: finish writing and get the Site/BugTracker and then build a beta to open the Translations for everyone [16:34] yeah I think so, that's what I have been doing [16:35] #topic Chair for next meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: Chair for next meeting [16:35] TOPIC: Chair for next meeting [16:35] Anyone? [16:35] . [16:36] Muscovy: You wanna? [16:36] I could. [16:36] Moiso: Is that a yes? [16:36] Mine's a yes. [16:36] I could also, as long as I can make it. [16:36] Wait, damn. [16:36] I don't think I can make it, I'm traveling. [16:37] I'll try to though, if I get a 'net connection. [16:37] Lets postpone for now [16:37] Alright. [16:37] #topic Dtae and Time === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: Dtae and Time [16:37] TOPIC: Dtae and Time [16:37] *Date and time [16:37] Oh well [16:37] I think we should start the poll a week before. [16:37] SInce people's times are liable to change. [16:38] But someone will be now able to commit to being there [16:38] No matter what date and time [16:38] Rough Date? [16:38] In two weeks? [16:38] 15 days [16:38] Dec 18/19. [16:38] Sat/Sun in 2 weeks? [16:39] Weekends seem best. [16:39] Of course [16:39] #vote 18/19 December rough date for the next meeting? [16:39] Please vote on: 18/19 December rough date for the next meeting? [16:39] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:39] + [16:39] +1 [16:39] +1 received from MichealH [16:39] +1 [16:39] +1 received from Moiso [16:39] +1 [16:39] +1 received from MixCool [16:39] -1 [16:39] -1 received from Omega [16:39] (Because I can't make it) [16:40] But, go on :) [16:40] * MichealH screams LOGS in Omega ear [16:40] Mhm. [16:40] I have logs of my own :> [16:40] Muscovy: +1? [16:40] Hmm. [16:40] _1 [16:40] +1 [16:40] +1 received from Muscovy [16:40] #endvote [16:40] Voting ended on: 18/19 December rough date for the next meeting? [16:40] Votes for:4 Votes against:1 Abstentions:0 [16:40] Motion carried [16:41] #agreed Next meeting ~ 18/19 Dec [16:41] #topic Chair for next meeting === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-tour to: Chair for next meeting [16:41] TOPIC: Chair for next meeting [16:42] I may do this [16:42] #vote MichealH for next chair? [16:42] Please vote on: MichealH for next chair? [16:42] Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me) [16:43] +0 [16:43] I wont vote (It would be bias) [16:43] Omega: ? [16:43] +0 [16:43] Anyone is fine really :) [16:43] Anyone else want to vote or volenteer? [16:44] I can teach you how to use the bot. [16:44] Going [16:44] Going [16:44] Gone [16:44] #endvote [16:44] Voting ended on: MichealH for next chair? [16:44] Votes for:0 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0 [16:44] Deadlock [16:44] (: [16:45] #action MichealH to be the next chair [16:45] ACTION: MichealH to be the next chair [16:45]