[05:17] <Volkodav> anybody had freezing system on screensaver in xfce ?
[06:29] <coz_> hey all
[06:30] <coz_> ok guys a couple things.... let me post the first one... when rebooting .. i consistently get this ...   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/Screenshot-Untitled%20Window.png
[06:35] <coz_> The second issue... those that know me know that I do installations...repairs etc etc... and almost all of my home users have been switched over to ubuntu ... however... I  know they are not going to like  /natty/compiz/unity  ... I need to know if there is a way to switch it off to get to normal gnome desktop.... the reason I believe there may be... is that before installing my nvidia driver i was indeed a the notrmal gnome desktop... top and bot
[06:35] <coz_> tom panels both active... so any suggestions?  O f course i can keep most of them on lucid  but I can think of about 10 of them that want the "latest & greatest"  and I know they wont want this
[06:35] <coz_> "top" panels
[06:35] <rww> coz_: yes. There'll be an option on the login screen for it.
[06:35] <coz_> rww,  very cool
[06:36] <coz_> rww,  at this stage  ... no possibility?
[06:36] <rww> There isn't one there already? Thought there was. Huh.
[06:36] <coz_> rww,  i will check ,,, for some reason  grub did not see my windows drive...
[06:37] <coz_> I can log off and check a bit later
[06:44] <coz_> rww,   yes there is the option ...thanks  I feel much more comfortable :)
[12:13] <penguin42> Well, it's survived into compiz today
[12:39] <penguin42> has anyone seen a manual for unity - something that describes how to use it and key strokes etc?
[12:58] <geser> if you find one, let me know
[12:58] <geser> I fought yesterday with unity until I got told why my application switching doesn't work anymore
[12:59] <vish> penguin42: no manuals yet.. but if it would need a manual would not be a good sign.. ;)
[13:14] <penguin42> vish: Well I can't figure out how to remove or add anything from the bar
[13:15]  * penguin42 has loads of junk on it that I think it picked up from what was on my panel
[13:15] <vish> penguin42: for adding, check the 'pin to launcher' , for removing uncheck it..
[13:15] <penguin42> vish: Where is 'pin to launcher'
[13:16] <vish> penguin42: you are talking about the launcher on left, right?  or the top one?
[13:16] <penguin42> vish: The left
[13:16] <vish> penguin42: yea, just right-click on the icons and you will have the options.
[13:17] <penguin42> ok, the bar doesn't want to respond at all at the moment, let me trying giving it a kick
[13:17] <vish> :)
[13:19] <charlie-tca> That's because it only works part-time. You probably want to do something on it's time off.
[13:21] <penguin42> hmm well trying to enable/disable it in compuiz config and compiz seg'd, and a compiz --replace has restarted it but the unity bars haven't come back
[13:35]  * penguin42 logs out and back in
[13:38] <penguin42> sigh
[13:39] <penguin42> so I've restarted, the compiz bar is back, but is mostly but not entirely unresponsive
[13:40] <penguin42> I think there is a problem with it not taking focus
[13:56] <BUGabundo> boas
[14:00] <charlie-tca> Good morning
[14:00] <yofel> hey
[14:00] <BUGabundo> o/
[14:01]  * penguin42 keeps getting alerts for FF saying I've finished a test pilot and it's ready to submit data, but more info doesn't tell me what it's going to submit
[14:01] <yofel> micahg: ^
[14:01] <yofel> it did show me some graph when I clicked on more info though
[15:21] <odinsbane> anybody have some screen shots lying around?
[15:22] <UndiFineD> odinsbane, of ?
[15:22] <odinsbane> the unity interface.
[15:22] <UndiFineD> no i have not
[15:23] <odinsbane> I don't quite understand the difference with the change from the 'gnome-shell', which I have never installed, to unity.
[15:24] <jpds> odinsbane: Ubuntu has never used GNOME Shell.
[15:25] <odinsbane> I saw an article awhile back regarding ubuntu's choice to go with unity over the gnome-shell.
[15:25] <charlie-tca> unity was designed for netbook screens, where the resolution is wide across but narrow up & down
[15:26] <odinsbane> So is unity a replacement for gnome?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> It does not replace gnome, any more that gnome-shell replaces gnome
[15:28] <ali1234> so in other words totally?
[15:29] <charlie-tca> no
[15:29] <charlie-tca> Most of gnome is still used, but it does replace metacity
[15:30] <penguin42> odinsbane/ali1234: As far as I can tell, it is now primarily a compiz plugin and a hack to redirect the menus into one panel
[15:30] <ali1234> and a totally new set of panels
[15:31] <charlie-tca> so, a different looking window manager does not replace the applications used.
[15:32] <ali1234> the applications are gtk, not gnome
[15:32] <charlie-tca> um, no
[15:32] <ali1234> gnome is: the panels at the top and bottom of the screen
[15:32] <charlie-tca> what is gedit?
[15:32] <penguin42> ali1234: No
[15:32] <ali1234> gedit is a text editor written in gtk
[15:32] <penguin42> ali1234: Gnome provides a lot of behind the scenes libraries and infrastructure on top of gtk
[15:33] <charlie-tca> gedit is "the" text editor for gnome
[15:35] <BUGabundo> charlie charlie charlie
[15:35] <jpds> BUGabundo: Charlie the magical unicorn?
[15:35] <BUGabundo> you are wrong
[15:36] <charlie-tca> I am? than I apologize for saying that
[15:36] <BUGabundo> gnome-desktop IS a metapackage that gather a set of other packages to create an expected Desktop experience
[15:36] <BUGabundo> gedit *is* one of those package
[15:36] <BUGabundo> *s
[15:37] <BUGabundo> GNOME or any other distro could easilly change the default editor, or even remove it
[15:37] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo, you are, of course, more correct than I
[15:37] <BUGabundo> and ali1234 is correct on is statement
[15:38] <odinsbane> Which version of gnome is in natty?
[15:38] <BUGabundo> !info gnome
[15:39] <odinsbane> !info kde
[15:39] <BUGabundo> not that is any bit useful with the amount of auh pair personalizations Ubuntu devs do to it
[15:39] <BUGabundo> and have done over the last 2 years
[15:39] <BUGabundo> !info kde4
[15:39] <BUGabundo> !info kde-desktop
[15:39] <BUGabundo> !search kde
[15:40] <BUGabundo> !info kubuntu
[15:40] <BUGabundo> !info kubuntu-desktop
[15:40] <charlie-tca> heh
[15:40] <odinsbane> This wayland change seems pretty impressive.  The unity part doesn't seem to apply to much to me.
[15:40] <penguin42> I think what you want is
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Time to kick it yet ;-)
[15:40] <penguin42> !info kdebase-bin
[15:41] <odinsbane> I found a screen cast for natty , but it is really lame.  They couldn't get their internet to work, and for that matter, I don't really care what firefox looks like.
[15:42] <penguin42> odinsbane: It is alpha1, so stuff not working is perfectly normal
[15:42] <Richie> Is there any quick fix to stop unity causing compiz to segfault?
[15:42] <odinsbane> penguin42: I meant the screen cast was lame.
[15:42] <BUGabundo> Richie: I wishe
[15:42] <penguin42> Richie: I think you can disable unity, it certainly shows up as a plugin in compiz setting manager
[15:43] <BUGabundo> Richie: try logining with Classic Desktopfor now
[15:43] <Richie> BUGabundo: I use metacity anyway, never really liked compiz. I just fancied a look at unity :)
[15:44] <odinsbane> So are you guys using waylang?
[15:44] <odinsbane> wayland... and can you notice a difference.
[15:46] <BUGabundo> Richie: well Unity requires 3D support, which you can't get from metaticy
[15:47] <BUGabundo> odinsbane: waylang is a X implementation, based on X11
[15:47] <odinsbane> I thought it was a completely new implementation that can act as an X server for transition purposes.
[15:47] <BUGabundo> it is not and Desktop Manager
[15:48] <Richie> BUGabundo: Aye I know. I'm not planning on using unity. Just wanted to be nosey and see what it's like.
[15:48] <BUGabundo> no one in their right mind would do a NEW implementation of an X everiment
[15:48] <BUGabundo> it would take toooooooo long for all other apps to support it
[15:48] <BUGabundo> impossible for a large and frequent release like Ubuntu
[15:48] <BUGabundo> Richie: launch a guest session, and check it out
[15:49] <cozziemoto> you can log into calssic gnome session
[15:50] <odinsbane> Wayland should offer some improvements over the traditional x server especially in regards to compositing.
[15:51] <penguin42> BUGabundo: It depends, as more gets abstracted through the qt and gtk libraries then you can flip those and a lot of stuff might go with it
[16:43] <BUGabundo> ahhhh
[16:43] <ironsight> is there a way I can tell unity to not decorate a window?
[16:43] <BUGabundo> I'm back
[16:43] <BUGabundo> left in mid talk
[16:43] <BUGabundo> darn freenode
[16:44] <ironsight> (the case here being google chrome already has window controls on the application)
[16:47] <ironsight> also, when I click the ubuntu button (top left corner) I notice it opens a nautilus window and has all the apps in no order. Can I create subfolders and stick my apps in subfolders?
[16:53] <penguin42> anyone run iscsi target or the like?
[16:53] <BUGabundo> no
[16:54] <penguin42> it seems to have changed a bit in Natty
[16:56] <penguin42> where has the nominate for release stuff gone?
[17:46] <micahg> penguin42: I think pilot is some test program for Mozilla, but idr exactly
[17:47] <penguin42> micahg: Yeh there are graphs showing lots of stats but they don't show what info about you it's going to send, and given that some of the info in the graphs relates to passwords I'd like to know how abstract what's sent is
[17:49] <micahg> penguin42: there should be a way to disable it if you want
[17:49] <penguin42> yeh I can see that, I can't make an informed decision though
[18:07] <JairunCaloth> Hey guys, are there mirrors for Natty?
[18:08] <BUGabundo> yes
[18:08] <BUGabundo> JairunCaloth: use this deb mirror://mirrors.ubuntu.com/mirrors.txt natty main restricted universe multiverse
[18:09] <JairunCaloth> Err, specificly I was looking for ISO mirrors
[18:10] <BUGabundo> ahh
[18:10] <BUGabundo> there are a few, yes
[18:12] <JairunCaloth> Ah finally found one
[18:15] <ironsight> is there a upgrade faq around?
[18:15] <ironsight> an*
[18:16] <BUGabundo> !upgrade
[18:18] <ironsight> hrm, how do I know if I'm running the new xserver after upgrade?
[18:19]  * ironsight didn't see anything about it
[18:48] <penne> hoi
[18:48] <penne> anyone knows how to downgrade firefox to 3.6.x ?
[20:03] <zniavre> good evening
[21:36] <MrKeuner> hello, I liked the ubuntu font in 11.04. How can I get it on my 10.04 system?
[21:38] <yofel> MrKeuner: lucid should have the 'ttf-ubuntu-font-family' package in updates
[21:38] <MrKeuner> yofel, thank you
[22:53] <Volkodav> anybody has freezes on screensaver ?
[22:55] <Sir_Konrad> So should I grab the Alpha and start testing?
[22:55] <bjsnider> you shoud do what your conscience and common sense tell you to do
[23:03] <Sir_Konrad> bjsnider, basically I'm asking if I should get the Alpha 1 or a daily build...
[23:07] <bjsnider> if the daily build works it is preferred
[23:18] <Sir_Konrad> bjsnider, I wonder if it works though. Guess I'll have to get both.
[23:20] <charlie-tca> daily-live worked for an install here today
[23:21] <Sir_Konrad> Ok, I'll probably try can get that one.
[23:21] <Sir_Konrad> *and
[23:21] <Sir_Konrad> thanks charlie-tca