[02:19] <qwebirc77436> Is there anything special I need to do to get upnp working on a basic mythbuntu install (10.10)?
[02:22] <Gibby_2> nope, it is configured by default
[02:25] <qwebirc77436> hmm, ok. I can't figure out why it isn't working. I just started installing all the updates to see if that would make a difference.
[02:28] <qwebirc77436> is the 10.04 version considered more stable (being a LTS version  and all)?
[02:58] <mrand> qwebirc77436: a pre-release version of 0.23 was included in the stock 10.04 release.  If you want to run 10.04 (which I and others do), you must enable the mythbuntu-repo so that you get upgraded to the released version of 0.23 (actually, select 0.23.1)
[02:58] <mrand> Or you could move on to 0.24, which was released last month, and seems to be stable for most, and fixes a number of small issues in 0.23.x
[02:59] <qwebirc77436> hmm. still no upnp server.
[02:59] <mrand> as well as adding some speed-ups and a few small features
[03:01] <mrand> You can look in mythbackend.log and verify upnp is enabled... it spits out messages, just search for "UPnp"  (caps matter unless you do case insensitive search)
[03:02] <qwebirc77436> I'm still a newbee, is the best place to view that log in the Mythbuntu Control Center?
[03:05] <mrand> qwebirc77436: the log grabber would do it and post it to a web site... kinda a round-about way of viewing it.  If you want to open/view it directly, it's stored in /var/log/mythtv
[03:07] <qwebirc77436> MediaServer:: Loopback address specified - 127.0.0.1. Disabling UPnP
[03:07] <qwebirc77436> Do I need to put the real IP address or hostname into the backend setup?
[03:08] <mrand> qwebirc77436: if you have only a loopback IP in the setup, it will only be able to loopback ;-)
[03:09] <mrand> (so the answer is yes)
[03:15] <qwebirc77436> Ha ha. Great works now. I thought that I rad read in the documentation that you should just leave the loopback address if your frontend was on the same machine as the backend.
[03:16] <qwebirc77436> I didn't draw the connection that a upnp client would in some ways be like a remote frontend.
[03:17] <mrand> yeah.  What are you using for upnp, btw?
[03:20] <qwebirc77436> I bought a Patriot Box Office media player the other day. I don't really want to have a computer out in my living room, so I thought that it would make an ok sudo frontend for me.
[03:21] <qwebirc77436> I wish that there was a way to actually put a mythtv front end on a similar device.
[03:21] <qwebirc77436> But anyway newegg had these on sale for like $50 over the weekend, so I got one.
[03:22] <Shadow__X> qwebirc77436: does it support upnp? you could stream through there
[03:23] <Shadow__X> or by some scripts that create folders similar to show/season/ep that allows you to share that folder
[03:23] <qwebirc77436> Yeah, it support upnp, But I can't use it to change the channel or setup a recording.
[03:23] <mrand> qwebirc77436: people have something close: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ROKU_HD_Frontend
[03:23] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] ROKU HD Frontend - MythTV
[03:25] <Shadow__X> you could build a mini itx machine
[03:25] <Shadow__X> sure itll be more money but it will be an actual machine
[03:27] <qwebirc77436> Ha, I searched all last week for somthing like that... I wonder how well it works.
[03:27] <mrand> there is a talk page on the wiki, you could read that too.
[03:27] <qwebirc77436> I'm just about to the point of going and getting and old DMA2200 media center extender.
[03:29] <mrand> A number of people are really liking the Acer Revo as a frontend.
[03:29] <mrand> (real frontend, that is)
[03:30] <qwebirc77436> I don't really want to be tied to and microsoft crap though (the media extenders don't do upnp)
[03:31] <mrand> It does 720p, but maybe not 1080p.  I may not have been clear... I believe people are running Mythfrontend on it with Linux.
[03:31] <qwebirc77436> First Generation Apple TV would have been good, but It dosn't do 1080p
[03:31] <mrand> right, similar thing
[03:32] <Shadow__X> mac mini :)
[03:32] <Shadow__X> indles under 10 watts
[03:32] <Shadow__X> does 1080p
[03:32] <Shadow__X> really small
[03:33] <qwebirc77436> $$$ :)
[03:33] <Shadow__X> but it will work
[03:33] <Shadow__X> most of the time these "solutions" are hacked together and are not the most stable
[03:33] <Shadow__X> you should go towards an actual system that will work
[03:35] <qwebirc77436> Well perhaps when I have some more money to put into it.
[03:36] <qwebirc77436> For the moment, I would be very happy with some minimal software for my Patriot Box Office that I could use to change the channel for live TV.
[03:36] <qwebirc77436> I would like to see a video of the Roku Box working with the scripts on that page.
[03:37] <mrand> You pretty much need a real front-end for live TV.  I didn't read  the full writeup on the Roku HD thing, so I don't know if it does it, but it is probably closest.   There is a thread on mythtv-users mailing list that you could reply to asking about it (if they didn't mention it already - check the archives)
[03:38] <qwebirc77436> Well I should have come here and talked before I bought a device.
[03:39] <mrand> In reality, you probably wouldn't have gotten much response.
[03:39] <mrand> helping people pick hardware is tough
[03:39] <mrand> everyone has a different idea of waht they want/need
[03:40] <Shadow__X> mrand: lol or just say for a frontend get a mac mini
[03:40] <Gibby_2> e.g., i stick with thses http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856173004
[03:40] <Zinn> [www.newegg.com] Newegg.com - Zotac ZBOX HD-ND02-U Atom 330 NVIDIA ION 2 x 204Pin NVIDIA ION graphics processor Mini / Booksize Barebone System
[03:40] <Shadow__X> if they say something about atom say no
[03:41] <Gibby_2> Shadow__X... :)
[03:41] <Shadow__X> because the only reason why that even begins to work is because of vdpau
[03:42] <Gibby_2> i know someone using 1 without vdpau
[03:43] <Gibby_2> mac mini's start at $699...
[03:51] <qwebirc77436> is vdpau bad?
[03:56] <qwebirc77436> I just about bought one of these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119017&cm_re=atom_ion-_-56-119-017-_-Product
[03:56] <Zinn> [www.newegg.com] Newegg.com - Foxconn NT-330I-A-W-NA-A NVIDIA ION 1 x 200Pin NVIDIA ION graphics processor White Barebone Systems - Mini / Booksize
[03:56] <qwebirc77436> They were only $149 with a gig of ram last week. But they have a fan.
[04:08] <Gibby_2> vdpau is not bad, i run my on vdpau high with no issues
[04:12] <qwebirc80995> anybody try getting HDMI audio out through an AMD/ATI mobo's onboard output?
[04:13] <qwebirc80995> I am running on 10.10 all I see in alsa-mixer is the mythical s/pdif
[04:18] <Gibby_2> unmute all of them in alsa-mixer
[04:19] <qwebirc80995> s/pdif is already un-muted
[04:19] <Gibby_2> what do yo uhave selected in the frontend?
[04:20] <qwebirc80995> i couldn't find a sound out put setting screen in the front end.. what menu was that under? (i'll have to reboot mine into Mythbuntu mode.. switched to the old windows 7  to play a DVD for my daugter
[04:21] <Gibby_2> utlities-setup/setup/general
[04:22] <qwebirc80995> Ahh.. I'll have to look at that.. give me a second.
[04:25] <mrand> 0.24 supposedly is supposed to have considerably better audio support.  At a minimum, it is completely reworked.  Of course, I'm about to reboot to see if I can solve my audio problem on it.
[04:28] <qwebirc80995> I'm in audio tab audio output device, i can 'type' in something? is this a name? or do I put in something specific to my card?
[04:34] <qwebirc80995> or, there's ALSA:Default
[04:44] <qwebirc80995> I think this is a lost cause.. everything I read says i should run ALSA mixer, and I suppose, choose HDMI & see something other than S/pdif & unmute it,...
[04:45] <qwebirc80995> but all i have under
[04:46] <qwebirc80995> under the 'ati-hdmi' card (or part ofa card) is the stupid S/pdif
[04:48] <Gibby_2> sorry back, do you have in the frontend setting for your audio?
[04:49] <Gibby_2> s/do/what do/
[04:53] <qwebirc80995> Ok.. rebooting right now, but from rough memory, when I have Alsa:default & something set to 'stereo' (on the 1st audio page) the 1st big box below, is empty (fwiw) And if I check the box between the 2 big boxes (where options show up) i see the 2nd set of options show up. I htink somethings not configed right. I am checking BIOS to make sure audio is enabled.. per a guide I found : http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php
[04:53] <Zinn> [ubuntuforums.org] Ubuntu Forums
[04:54] <Gibby_2> there should be like a ATI:HDMI
[04:56] <qwebirc80995> Ahhh! i think i found somethign.. In bios some setting for HD Audio /spdif was set to use S/pdif.. but had an option to do somethign with HDMI. I switched it to HDMI. lets see if this is different.
[04:56] <qwebirc80995> this might explain why HDMI audio output was a crapshoot even in windows
[04:58] <qwebirc80995> @gibby_2 that
[04:58] <qwebirc80995> Gibby_2: the audio output device field. I should be clicking that & pulling down right?
[04:59] <Gibby_2> nope arrow keys
[05:00] <qwebirc80995> ok, if I use arrows, I get ALSA:hdmi I am assuming that means its 'finding' that someplace
[05:01] <qwebirc80995> and not remembering it from somethign I typed in desperation.. this is looking better.
[05:01] <qwebirc80995> on the next page, in mixer device, choose alsa:default or software?
[05:04] <Gibby_2> default is fine on the 2nd page
[05:05] <qwebirc80995> i still must not have something configed right... no audio & the sound is showing as being muted :(
[05:05] <qwebirc80995> when trying to play a dvd from myth frontend
[05:08]  * qwebirc80995 is totatlly questioning my purchase of this straight amd/ati board. might look into an Nvidia offering (can't belive I'm saying that)
[05:14] <qwebirc80995> of course.. i think I've had this board nearly 2 years... gotta admit, I've done naught but regret it....
[05:14] <qwebirc80995> If I upgrade it, it's dual core's going into my webserver... but if someone wants this Asus.. email pk@phillk.net
[05:14] <qwebirc80995> I'm out for tonight folks.
[05:27] <mrand> Anyone know what the difference between banner and fanart is?
[05:27] <mrand> and screenshots
[05:27] <mrand> And for that matter, when they are displayed, vs when cover art is displayed
[05:27] <mrand> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo is of no help
[05:27] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] MythVideo - MythTV
[05:29] <Gibby_2> mrand, go to a video and go under edit/details i think you will see
[16:50] <haywire_> Can someone help me with Mythbuntu live session CD Frontend connecting to an existing mythbackend?
[16:53] <Gibby_2> haywire_: just post your problem..... no need to ask for help
[17:01] <haywire_> I have a Mythbuntu 10.04 backend running that has successfully recorded shows that I can play via home network folders in windows, etc. but cannot get any myth frontend to connect to, including from the live Cd
[17:02] <haywire_> the latest msg I'm getting is "No route to host" errno 113
[17:05] <haywire_> (From the Mythbuntu Live Session Configuration utility "Test Connection" tab)
[18:22] <JEDIDIAH__> well. there is a mysql security issue that needs to be resolved before you can connect remote frontends. mysql doesn't allow remote connections by default. Dunno if that's your particular problem though.
[18:23] <JEDIDIAH__> what about a copy of mythfrontend running on the backend machine?
[20:58] <qwebirc66801> Hi all; just installed mythbuntu 10.10, trying to get mce remote working... commands visible in irw, but no response within mythtv interface
[20:58] <qwebirc66801> [warning: linux n00b here]
[20:59] <tgm4883> qwebirc66801, odd, did you select the mce remote in the control centre
[20:59] <qwebirc66801> actually didn't see mce as an option... will rescan the list
[20:59] <tgm4883> qwebirc66801, IIRC, its labeled windows media centre remote
[21:00] <qwebirc66801> and so it is! doh. thx, will try applying that.
[21:02] <qwebirc66801> well that was easy! thx tgm
[21:02] <tgm4883> qwebirc66801, yw
[21:03] <qwebirc66801> just have 2 tuners, the guide, & a RAID to get working now! :)
[21:05] <qwebirc66801> ok, this box was formerly a Windows MCE box, and mythbuntu plays .dvr-ms files much more crisply and with better skipping responsiveness than Windows did by FAR.
[21:06] <JEDIDIAH__> what was the MCE box then?
[21:06] <qwebirc66801> XP Media Center, frozen at SP2
[21:06] <JEDIDIAH__> I have a mini that I triple boot and I've run MCE in a VM from time to time.
[21:07] <qwebirc66801> a windows update broke the codecs for the last time, so since I'm switching from Win to Kubuntu for development at work, figured it was time to do the same thing at home
[21:08] <qwebirc66801> install was a little rocky, but booting and running nicely now that i got it done
[21:08] <JEDIDIAH__> I had a copy of XP MCE for awhile and I recently got a copy of Win7 ultimate to play with.
[21:08] <qwebirc66801> I have a win 7 DVD, but their license server is broken this weekend
[21:08] <qwebirc66801> for MSDN users like me
[21:08] <JEDIDIAH__> I have regular OEM copies.
[21:08] <qwebirc66801> one more reason driving me to make the switch
[21:09] <qwebirc66801> MSDN is usually less hassle, but not when the product keys stop working ;)
[21:09] <JEDIDIAH__> I found the whole business with the Shark007 a bit too much.
[21:10] <qwebirc66801> So anyone know how to get an AverMedia a180 ATSC tuner card working?
[21:10] <JEDIDIAH__> generally, stuff either "just works" or not at all.
[21:10] <qwebirc66801> ha
[21:11] <JEDIDIAH__> although some device drivers are outside of the kernel. Dunno if that applies for the a180
[21:11] <qwebirc66801> never tried shark007, but it looks a lot like FFMPEG which I used
[21:11] <JEDIDIAH__> Well, as far as the MCE stuff goes I just googled around and tried to do what the community sites seemed to be recommending.
[21:12] <JEDIDIAH__> same approach as I have with MythTV really.
[21:13] <qwebirc66801> yeah, seems some googling is necessary... took that to get my RAID mounted, etc.
[21:13] <qwebirc66801> one weird thing... in VLC's advanced play/open dialog,
[21:13] <JEDIDIAH__> what are you trying to tune in with the a180. HDTV tuning is it's own dark art.
[21:13] <qwebirc66801> it shows all my old windows drives by drive letter (or label))
[21:14] <qwebirc66801> I just use the a180 for OTA ATSC
[21:16] <qwebirc66801> any idea how VLC builds its "Places" list in the "Media -> Advanced Open File" dialog?
[21:17] <qwebirc66801> it sees all my NTFS partitions by label, which I'd love to be able to do in other apps
[21:17] <JEDIDIAH__> As far as the a180 goes, the Gentoo or Ubuntu forums would probably be a good starting place.
[21:18] <qwebirc66801> and once i access a partition there, it subsequently shows up under /media
[21:19] <qwebirc66801> @JEDIDIAH__, yeh, I'm simultaneously looking around for answers on that
[21:19] <qwebirc66801> in the forums
[21:20] <JEDIDIAH__> do you have the driver itself and the firmware sorted out?
[21:21] <qwebirc66801> unsure
[21:21] <JEDIDIAH__> looking at the instructions for this card, it sounds a lot like the PVR-150 I used to have and the manual build steps that were required before it's driver was merged into the kernel.
[21:22] <qwebirc66801> eek, ok, looks like it's going to be a learning weekend
[21:22] <JEDIDIAH__> stuff like modprobe and lsmod and dmesg would be involved in installing and checking on the driver.
[21:22] <qwebirc66801> I also have the PVR-150 Happhauge
[21:22] <qwebirc66801> I only use it for S-Video from the cable box, not for the NTSC tuner
[21:23] <qwebirc66801> so aver a180 just for OTA ATSC, and PVR-150 just for S-Video capture + IR blaster control of the cable box
[21:25] <qwebirc66801> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1189681 looks promising for a180 config
[21:25] <qwebirc66801> though it's a year and a half old thread, so not sure if it's applicable to 10.10
[21:32] <qwebirc66801> put seemingly-relevant dmesg output in http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/FedTdLwM
[21:36] <Gibby> qwebirc66801: looks like both card registered correctly
[21:41] <Chaorain> hey, I'm trying to get my tunner to work and I am missing /dev/dsp1. What do I need to install to get it?
[21:43] <JEDIDIAH__> it looks like this card (a180) might need special modprobe arguments to work properly.
[22:55] <Chaorain> I'm also having a problem when I change channels I get a black screen and have to kill MythTV