| ikonia | however I thought it polite to just ask if she new of a reason before assuming it was her or the older issue | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Pici | I don't think thats a good idea. | 00:00 |
| Pici | You're going to open up a can of worms. | 00:00 |
| * IdleOne hands ikonia salt and pepper | 00:00 | |
| IdleOne | for the worms :) | 00:00 |
| ikonia | she's responded now and been very reasonable | 00:01 |
| ikonia | it's not unreasonable to ask if she knows if it was her or not, if it's an old legacy thing, then we can remove it | 00:01 |
| ikonia | unless anyone objects | 00:01 |
| IdleOne | no objection here. | 00:02 |
| ikonia | I need to get to grip with the newer formats | 00:03 |
| ikonia | (ban formats) | 00:03 |
| Pici | 'new'? | 00:03 |
| tonyyarusso | It's okay - I haven't really learned them yet either :S | 00:04 |
| IdleOne | :) glad it wasn't just me | 00:04 |
| ikonia | well, they are new to me, some of the changes made when freenode changed irc daemons | 00:04 |
| Pici | That was nearly a year ago ;) | 00:04 |
| ikonia | ok, so I'm slack | 00:04 |
| ikonia | I'll take my punishment | 00:04 |
| tonyyarusso | Everyone who knows the new stuff and is not nor has ever been network staff raise your hand ;) | 00:05 |
| * Pici raises his hand | 00:05 | |
| ikonia | "it's been a year"........ | 00:05 |
| * Pici looks around | 00:05 | |
| tonyyarusso | Pici: I thought you were staff once? | 00:05 |
| ikonia | show off | 00:05 |
| Pici | tonyyarusso: never. | 00:06 |
| Pici | I just hang out in #freenode. | 00:06 |
| tonyyarusso | Hrm. Well then you're just the overachiever throwing off the curve. | 00:06 |
| Pici | :( | 00:06 |
| ikonia | no need for sadness | 00:06 |
| ikonia | someone should know it | 00:06 |
| ikonia | what happened to my presvious client | 00:32 |
| ikonia | previous | 00:32 |
| knome | ikonia, ping timeout | 00:33 |
| knome | 19 minutes ago | 00:33 |
| ikonia | how odd, the sessions still alive, the box is still on the network, irssi appears to have just hung | 00:34 |
| * rww raises hand | 00:40 | |
| rww | I'm still slow, though! >.> | 00:41 |
| * knome tickles rww | 00:41 | |
| ikonia | so what is r:$username | 00:47 |
| rww | ikonia: assuming you mean $r:username, it matches anyone with a realname/GECOS field of "username" | 00:50 |
| ikonia | ah, realname | 00:50 |
| ikonia | so thats why the ban wasn't picked up on emma | 00:50 |
| ikonia | it wasn't username, it was real name | 00:50 |
| ikonia | bed time | 00:51 |
| ikonia | night | 00:51 |
| rww | I have http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml on bookmark, btw :) | 00:51 |
| ikonia | nice | 00:52 |
| tonyyarusso | My bookmarks are nightmarish - I probably have at least a dozen different sets. | 01:12 |
| ubottu | aeon-ltd called the ops in #ubuntu (Tooqur) | 01:23 |
| ubottu | Tooqur called the ops in #ubuntu (Tooqur) | 01:23 |
| charlie-tca | ikonia, thanks for keeping on eye on #xubutnu | 01:27 |
| charlie-tca | s/xubutnu/xubuntu | 01:27 |
| * charlie-tca is tired; spelling goes away rapidlyhyyy | 01:27 | |
| maco | rww_: whered you get that underline? | 02:56 |
| rww_ | I think it looks qt | 02:57 |
| bazhang | I just run the kernel? | 03:17 |
| rww_ | mhm. Not sure what aegis is on about either. | 03:18 |
| bazhang | the wall of gibberish that zhkx pasted in #ubuntu last night was horrific stuff | 03:21 |
| rww_ | I don't see that nick in my scrollback | 03:23 |
| rww_ | downside of pointy clicky IRC client: [Disconnect] button >.> | 03:37 |
| bazhang | hehe | 03:38 |
| bazhang | iconrad seems to be an issue now | 03:38 |
| rww_ | bazhang: rww's law #221: Sufficiently silly people are indistinguishible from trolls. | 04:02 |
| bazhang | rww_, heh | 04:02 |
| === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth | ||
| rww_ | bazhang: I'd mute him, but someone else would just rise up to replace him. Oh look, malv's back. | 04:14 |
| bazhang | pfred1 seems to be an issue | 05:36 |
| rww | indeed | 05:37 |
| bazhang | thats a ban forward here imo | 05:42 |
| rww | +1 | 05:42 |
| bazhang | so /mode +bf hostmask $#ubuntu-ops ? | 05:42 |
| rww | /mode #ubuntu +b hostmask$#ubuntu-ops | 05:43 |
| bazhang | thanks rww | 05:43 |
| rww | so for the cool kids, /mode #ubuntu +b-qo *!*@unaffiliated/pfred1$#ubuntu-ops *!*@unaffiliated/pfred1 bazhang | 05:44 |
| bazhang | well the bot prompted me for a comment, so it seems to have worked | 05:47 |
| bazhang | Assbeard? | 06:04 |
| rww | wat | 06:05 |
| bazhang | in #x | 06:05 |
| rww | oh, not in there. | 06:05 |
| jussi | good morning yarol, how can we help you? | 10:19 |
| yarol | hi jussi | 10:22 |
| yarol | tengo un canal nuevo y quiero que sea recomendado es referente a ubuntu y linux en general y seguridad unnformatica | 10:22 |
| jussi | yarol: do you speak english? | 10:22 |
| yarol | sorry | 10:22 |
| yarol | I have a new channel and want it to be recommended is referring to ubuntu and linux in general and security unnformatica | 10:22 |
| yarol | where am I going? | 10:23 |
| jussi | yarol: Im not sure what youare asking, but perhaps its better to ask in #ubuntu-es | 10:23 |
| yarol | but it is the channel of ops | 10:23 |
| jussi | No, the spanish ops channel is #ubuntu-es-ops | 10:24 |
| yarol | ok thanks | 10:24 |
| jussi | yw | 10:24 |
| Myrtti | I suppose (s)he wanted to get adspace for his/her channel | 10:26 |
| knome | adspace? where? | 10:32 |
| jussi | Myrtti: perhaps | 10:32 |
| * jussi is nom'ing the karjalan paisti he made yesterday... | 10:32 | |
| knome | btw it's karjalanpaisti | 10:33 |
| knome | but yeah, i could do with one (or a few) serving(s) as well | 10:33 |
| Tm_T | you're not even Karelians... | 10:34 |
| jussi | so? | 10:34 |
| knome | yeah, so? | 10:34 |
| jussi | knome: you are welcome to come by :P | 10:34 |
| knome | jussi, yeah... too bad you're a bit far | 10:34 |
| jussi | I made it in the leivnuuni, so ts extra good | 10:34 |
| knome | is there a train station @kempele? | 10:34 |
| jussi | no | 10:35 |
| jussi | :( | 10:35 |
| knome | lol | 10:35 |
| knome | if i'd leave NOW, i'd be @oulu @21:34 | 10:36 |
| jussi | I could make another one by then :D | 10:36 |
| knome | well, i might just catch the earlier train | 10:36 |
| knome | so 20:11 MAYBE | 10:36 |
| jussi | run!! | 10:36 |
| knome | haha | 10:36 |
| knome | well it leaves in 30mins from helsinki, so yeah, i should catch it | 10:37 |
| knome | too bad the ticket costs 71,50 | 10:37 |
| knome | err | 10:37 |
| knome | ;) | 10:37 |
| knome | if it would be 7,15, i would run | 10:37 |
| knome | s/would be/was/ | 10:37 |
| jussi | question is, is my karjalanpaisti that good? :D | 10:37 |
| knome | well i don't know about *your* karjalanpaisti, but i generally like meat | 10:37 |
| knome | ;) | 10:38 |
| jussi | mine is extra good :) | 10:38 |
| knome | yeah, i can imagine with the leivinuuni | 10:38 |
| knome | anyway, when were you coming to helsinki? | 10:39 |
| jussi | I dont know - we are not headed in for christmas, as I havent got any days off. probably january sometime | 10:39 |
| knome | mm-hmm | 10:39 |
| knome | sounds like something we have to celebrate with beer | 10:40 |
| jussi | yes, i agree, beer and topyli | 10:41 |
| knome | well i'm not completely sure if topyli would taste good, but you're free to, if you want | 10:41 |
| jussi | lol | 10:42 |
| jussi | no, we are celebrating with him... not eating him... | 10:42 |
| knome | oh, right... | 10:42 |
| knome | ;) | 10:42 |
| topyli | phew | 10:43 |
| knome | well you guys could come up to my place this time :) | 10:43 |
| jussi | hehe | 10:44 |
| knome | no THAT place you were thinking, you dirty guy | 10:44 |
| Myrtti | sometimes I wonder do people somehow sense I'm a female and not respond to my questions about their problems because of that | 11:12 |
| Myrtti | because I've had that several times IRL | 11:12 |
| jrib | Myrtti: in #ubuntu you mean? | 11:17 |
| ubottu | In ubottu, cdbs said: !hi is <reply> Saying 'Hi' or 'Hello' on entering a busy channel such as #ubuntu everytime is not recommended. Thanks! | 12:31 |
| * cdbs should have written something better for ^ | 12:31 | |
| ikonia | council, why has the channel #ubuntu-uds been left open and not closed ? | 13:49 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu, discharge said: ubottu: yes, i know it is, i used it for several days, and i have used it with screen too. Weechat is terminal based too | 14:23 |
| Myrtti | ... damned bank holidays... | 14:26 |
| evilnhandler | ikonia: I'll look at it later today. We actually dropped the other UDS channels (since they can't get re-used). This was probably just an oversight since it didn't need dropping. But I think it does make sense to close it until UDS | 16:02 |
| charlie-tca | someone in #ubuntu is sending gnome users to #xubuntu? | 16:26 |
| Myrtti | charlie-tca: someone asked how to join earlier, but I don't see anyone particularly sending anyone | 16:28 |
| charlie-tca | I have a user in #xubuntu wanting to know why he was told to go there for support for Ubuntu | 16:29 |
| charlie-tca | and, of course, I couldn't tell s/he why? | 16:30 |
| Myrtti | charlie-tca: who? | 16:30 |
| charlie-tca | MrAnthrope | 16:31 |
| charlie-tca | He didn't know who sent him | 16:31 |
| charlie-tca | <MrAnthrope> Oh I use gnome. I was just told to come in here and wasn't sure why. Now I'm really not sure why lol. | 16:32 |
| Myrtti | someone got mistaken | 16:33 |
| charlie-tca | Okay | 16:33 |
| charlie-tca | No problem then | 16:33 |
| Myrtti | http://paste.ubuntu.com/540011/ | 16:33 |
| charlie-tca | lol | 16:35 |
| charlie-tca | Thanks, Myrtti | 16:35 |
| ikonia | what the devil is CIA-24 (bot) in #kubuntu-devel | 17:12 |
| Tm_T | ikonia: devel commits bots | 17:13 |
| Tm_T | -s | 17:13 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1500 users, 1 overflows, 1501 limit)) | 17:16 |
| maco | cdbs: not officially | 17:17 |
| cdbs | maco: I saw your pics in Riddell's blog, I guess you contribute there | 17:18 |
| maco | yeah | 17:18 |
| * cdbs is bilalakhtar in case anyone is confused | 17:18 | |
| maco | im just not a member of ~kubuntu-dev yet | 17:18 |
| cdbs | same case here, I regularly contribute but not a member of ~ubuntu-desktop yet :( | 17:18 |
| ikonia | what do you guys do to contribute ? | 17:18 |
| maco | write patches | 17:18 |
| cdbs | ikonia: fix bugs, update stuff in the repos | 17:18 |
| cdbs | Ubuntu GNOME packages are badly deviated from Debian | 17:18 |
| maco | though...the one i was writing at uds i havent finished. i think im gonna have to write a library first to do it more-right | 17:18 |
| cdbs | we take stuff directly from upstream nowadays | 17:18 |
| cdbs | maco: What's the case with Kubuntu packages? | 17:18 |
| maco | straight from upstream | 17:19 |
| ikonia | the ubuntu gnome desktop is basically going into a fork | 17:19 |
| cdbs | same here, which is quick but *bad* | 17:19 |
| cdbs | ikonia: very much | 17:19 |
| maco | we send our changes to debian | 17:19 |
| ikonia | sucks | 17:19 |
| cdbs | and it means MORE work for us | 17:19 |
| cdbs | all the desktop devs are damn busy nowadays | 17:19 |
| maco | i like kubuntu's patch policy... upstream has to ok it before it gets merged | 17:20 |
| cdbs | with the GNOME 2.32 -> 3.0 and GNOME -> unity transition | 17:20 |
| ikonia | probably too busy doing "their own thing" making a fork | 17:20 |
| cdbs | I don't like it when Ubuntu tries to deviate from upstream (GNOME in this case) | 17:21 |
| cdbs | maco: really? Patches need to be merged upstream first? Good policy, but we can't do that here, we are moving far away from GNOME | 17:22 |
| ikonia | no, it's two fingers up at the open source projects it's built on | 17:22 |
| maco | cdbs: not necessarily merged, but at least approved | 17:22 |
| cdbs | :o | 17:22 |
| maco | cdbs: for example, upstream qt said "well we're already frozen for 4.7 so go ahead and merge in your distro and we'll take that patch later" | 17:23 |
| maco | (for the indicator stuff0 | 17:23 |
| * cdbs considers if he should join the Kubuntu developers and develop for them instead :) | 17:23 | |
| Tm_Tr | cdbs: just do it (; | 17:23 |
| cdbs | maco: atleast they recognise Ubuntu :) here they are like: 'We don't care' | 17:23 |
| cdbs | They won't even look at the patch if they are in a freeze | 17:24 |
| ikonia | cdbs: probably because ubuntu is doing it's own thing with no consideration for the other projects | 17:24 |
| cdbs | probably | 17:24 |
| maco | and there's a standing agreement that upstream kde uses 3 level deep kickoff menu and kubuntu uses 2 levels deep. kde doesnt want to switch but doesnt regard it as a big enough difference to worry about | 17:24 |
| ikonia | if I was debian I wouldn't take patches of ubuntu as it just does what it wants | 17:24 |
| ikonia | "off" | 17:24 |
| Tm_Tr | also many Kubuntu developers are KDE developers too (: | 17:24 |
| cdbs | now that is a big change for KDE devs | 17:25 |
| ikonia | that's useful | 17:25 |
| cdbs | for us, that is barely a small change :D | 17:25 |
| maco | cdbs: i said *doesnt* regard it as big enough to worry about :P | 17:25 |
| maco | the patch has been shown to them, they say its fine they just dont want it | 17:25 |
| * cdbs misread | 17:25 | |
| maco | their concern is, i think, largely that kubuntu doesnt introduce quality issues that reflect poorly on kde | 17:26 |
| maco | meanwhile the kubuntu devs are enough of kde fanboys and fangirls that they dont want to deviate too much in appearance...so things tend to work out | 17:26 |
| cdbs | Because you people have a concern about KDE | 17:26 |
| cdbs | we don't care about GNOME, they don't care about us :( | 17:26 |
| maco | you shouldve seen desrt's face when i mentioned the kubuntu patch policy at uds | 17:27 |
| cdbs | desrt? | 17:27 |
| Tm_Tr | it's all easier and makes more sense to cooperate with upstream IMO | 17:27 |
| maco | ryan lortie | 17:27 |
| ikonia | Tm_Tr: mention that to the gnome team | 17:27 |
| cdbs | I would SURELY have attended UDS if I would have applied in time for sponsorship | 17:27 |
| ikonia | you think a lot of yourself | 17:28 |
| cdbs | Others with lesser contributions got accepted | 17:28 |
| cdbs | brb | 17:28 |
| Tm_Tr | ikonia: surely depends on upstream, yes | 17:28 |
| Tm_Tr | I think the core in this is the close ties between KDE and Kubuntu developers (they're often the same) | 17:29 |
| Tm_Tr | rest follows I suppose | 17:30 |
| ikonia | I'd like to better understand the decision making process and reasoning behind chosing unity for future releases. | 17:31 |
| cdbs | maco: Another roadblock for us is that many upstreams (eg Nautilus) have declared that they won't be accepting patches this cycle | 17:35 |
| ikonia | why ? | 17:35 |
| ikonia | (why won't they accept patches) | 17:35 |
| cdbs | I have 2 patches awaiting commit in GIMP and 1 in Nautilus, both accepted in Ubuntu | 17:35 |
| cdbs | ikonia: because they are busy migrating to GTK3 | 17:35 |
| ikonia | cdbs: right, so why don't ubuntu guys help with that ? | 17:35 |
| cdbs | ikonia: its in Ubuntu | 17:35 |
| ikonia | how can it be in ubuntu - but not be in upstream | 17:36 |
| cdbs | Its called Ubuntu delta | 17:36 |
| cdbs | it involvs modifying the Ubuntu package directly | 17:36 |
| ikonia | so why hasn't that been done with upstream to stop two projects doing the same thing | 17:36 |
| maco | cdbs: ikonia means why isnt ubuntu helping with gtk3 porting? are you saying ubuntu has already ported to gtk3? | 17:37 |
| ikonia | sorry, thats what I mean, | 17:37 |
| cdbs | maco, ikonia: The thing is, Ubuntu Natty still contains GNOME 2.32 packages | 17:38 |
| cdbs | which is the same as maverick | 17:38 |
| ikonia | why is that a problem ? | 17:38 |
| cdbs | The 2.32 packages have been patched with the bugfix | 17:38 |
| cdbs | Upstream is on 2.91 | 17:38 |
| ikonia | can't you use 2.91 ? | 17:38 |
| cdbs | which means they are in progress of the port | 17:38 |
| cdbs | too unstable | 17:38 |
| cdbs | g2g | 17:38 |
| ikonia | oh | 17:38 |
| jpds | Now you see, stuff like this wouldn't happen if packages did not use cdbs. | 17:40 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1497 users, 14 overflows, 1511 limit)) | 18:17 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1497 users, 13 overflows, 1510 limit)) | 18:17 |
| ubottu | FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1497 users, 16 overflows, 1513 limit)) | 18:17 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1497 users, 14 overflows, 1511 limit)) | 18:17 |
| ikonia | 19:45 <KnownTroll> Heya Mate! | 20:32 |
| ikonia | 20:31 -!- KnownTroll [~Ricky@203.184.32.124] | 20:32 |
| ikonia | 20:31 -!- was : Rick Barker | 20:32 |
| ikonia | 20:31 -!- server : lindbohm.freenode.net [Sun Dec 5 19:58:28 2010] | 20:32 |
| ikonia | 20:31 -!- End of WHOWAS | 20:32 |
| ikonia | be aware another new alias for bacta, sent me a pm earlier | 20:32 |
| rww | poutine changed their hostmask again >.> | 20:33 |
| ikonia | oh really | 20:33 |
| Myrtti | so little has changed during my being away | 20:33 |
| Myrtti | same trolls | 20:33 |
| ikonia | rww: I think there is a name ban in place for poutine in #ubuntu | 20:33 |
| rww | Myrtti: Indeed. It's a little depressing. | 20:33 |
| ikonia | Myrtti: possible because we do nothing about it, and find new ways to empower them and give them additional chances | 20:34 |
| rww | ikonia: Yeah, I was pondering that. May as well add it to #ubuntu-offtopic. | 20:34 |
| ikonia | go for it | 20:34 |
| === Pici` is now known as Pici | ||
| charlie-tca | Is there anything can be done about the spammers that jump in, spam, and leave? | 22:05 |
| LjL | report them to staff if you suspect they're doing it in more than one channel | 22:08 |
| ubottu | In #ubuntu, barfster said: ubottu: sun-java6 is not and option | 23:44 |
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