[00:00] however I thought it polite to just ask if she new of a reason before assuming it was her or the older issue [00:00] I don't think thats a good idea. [00:00] You're going to open up a can of worms. [00:00] * IdleOne hands ikonia salt and pepper [00:00] for the worms :) [00:01] she's responded now and been very reasonable [00:01] it's not unreasonable to ask if she knows if it was her or not, if it's an old legacy thing, then we can remove it [00:01] unless anyone objects [00:02] no objection here. [00:03] I need to get to grip with the newer formats [00:03] (ban formats) [00:03] 'new'? [00:04] It's okay - I haven't really learned them yet either :S [00:04] :) glad it wasn't just me [00:04] well, they are new to me, some of the changes made when freenode changed irc daemons [00:04] That was nearly a year ago ;) [00:04] ok, so I'm slack [00:04] I'll take my punishment [00:05] Everyone who knows the new stuff and is not nor has ever been network staff raise your hand ;) [00:05] * Pici raises his hand [00:05] "it's been a year"........ [00:05] * Pici looks around [00:05] Pici: I thought you were staff once? [00:05] show off [00:06] tonyyarusso: never. [00:06] I just hang out in #freenode. [00:06] Hrm. Well then you're just the overachiever throwing off the curve. [00:06] :( [00:06] no need for sadness [00:06] someone should know it [00:32] what happened to my presvious client [00:32] previous [00:33] ikonia, ping timeout [00:33] 19 minutes ago [00:34] how odd, the sessions still alive, the box is still on the network, irssi appears to have just hung [00:40] * rww raises hand [00:41] I'm still slow, though! >.> [00:41] * knome tickles rww [00:47] so what is r:$username [00:50] ikonia: assuming you mean $r:username, it matches anyone with a realname/GECOS field of "username" [00:50] ah, realname [00:50] so thats why the ban wasn't picked up on emma [00:50] it wasn't username, it was real name [00:51] bed time [00:51] night [00:51] I have http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml on bookmark, btw :) [00:52] nice [01:12] My bookmarks are nightmarish - I probably have at least a dozen different sets. [01:23] aeon-ltd called the ops in #ubuntu (Tooqur) [01:23] Tooqur called the ops in #ubuntu (Tooqur) [01:27] ikonia, thanks for keeping on eye on #xubutnu [01:27] s/xubutnu/xubuntu [01:27] * charlie-tca is tired; spelling goes away rapidlyhyyy [02:56] rww_: whered you get that underline? [02:57] I think it looks qt [03:17] I just run the kernel? [03:18] mhm. Not sure what aegis is on about either. [03:21] the wall of gibberish that zhkx pasted in #ubuntu last night was horrific stuff [03:23] I don't see that nick in my scrollback [03:37] downside of pointy clicky IRC client: [Disconnect] button >.> [03:38] hehe [03:38] iconrad seems to be an issue now [04:02] bazhang: rww's law #221: Sufficiently silly people are indistinguishible from trolls. [04:02] rww_, heh === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth [04:14] bazhang: I'd mute him, but someone else would just rise up to replace him. Oh look, malv's back. [05:36] pfred1 seems to be an issue [05:37] indeed [05:42] thats a ban forward here imo [05:42] +1 [05:42] so /mode +bf hostmask $#ubuntu-ops ? [05:43] /mode #ubuntu +b hostmask$#ubuntu-ops [05:43] thanks rww [05:44] so for the cool kids, /mode #ubuntu +b-qo *!*@unaffiliated/pfred1$#ubuntu-ops *!*@unaffiliated/pfred1 bazhang [05:47] well the bot prompted me for a comment, so it seems to have worked [06:04] Assbeard? [06:05] wat [06:05] in #x [06:05] oh, not in there. [10:19] good morning yarol, how can we help you? [10:22] hi jussi [10:22] tengo un canal nuevo y quiero que sea recomendado es referente a ubuntu y linux en general y seguridad unnformatica [10:22] yarol: do you speak english? [10:22] sorry [10:22] I have a new channel and want it to be recommended is referring to ubuntu and linux in general and security unnformatica [10:23] where am I going? [10:23] yarol: Im not sure what youare asking, but perhaps its better to ask in #ubuntu-es [10:23] but it is the channel of ops [10:24] No, the spanish ops channel is #ubuntu-es-ops [10:24] ok thanks [10:24] yw [10:26] I suppose (s)he wanted to get adspace for his/her channel [10:32] adspace? where? [10:32] Myrtti: perhaps [10:32] * jussi is nom'ing the karjalan paisti he made yesterday... [10:33] btw it's karjalanpaisti [10:33] but yeah, i could do with one (or a few) serving(s) as well [10:34] you're not even Karelians... [10:34] so? [10:34] yeah, so? [10:34] knome: you are welcome to come by :P [10:34] jussi, yeah... too bad you're a bit far [10:34] I made it in the leivnuuni, so ts extra good [10:34] is there a train station @kempele? [10:35] no [10:35] :( [10:35] lol [10:36] if i'd leave NOW, i'd be @oulu @21:34 [10:36] I could make another one by then :D [10:36] well, i might just catch the earlier train [10:36] so 20:11 MAYBE [10:36] run!! [10:36] haha [10:37] well it leaves in 30mins from helsinki, so yeah, i should catch it [10:37] too bad the ticket costs 71,50 [10:37] err [10:37] ;) [10:37] if it would be 7,15, i would run [10:37] s/would be/was/ [10:37] question is, is my karjalanpaisti that good? :D [10:37] well i don't know about *your* karjalanpaisti, but i generally like meat [10:38] ;) [10:38] mine is extra good :) [10:38] yeah, i can imagine with the leivinuuni [10:39] anyway, when were you coming to helsinki? [10:39] I dont know - we are not headed in for christmas, as I havent got any days off. probably january sometime [10:39] mm-hmm [10:40] sounds like something we have to celebrate with beer [10:41] yes, i agree, beer and topyli [10:41] well i'm not completely sure if topyli would taste good, but you're free to, if you want [10:42] lol [10:42] no, we are celebrating with him... not eating him... [10:42] oh, right... [10:42] ;) [10:43] phew [10:43] well you guys could come up to my place this time :) [10:44] hehe [10:44] no THAT place you were thinking, you dirty guy [11:12] sometimes I wonder do people somehow sense I'm a female and not respond to my questions about their problems because of that [11:12] because I've had that several times IRL [11:17] Myrtti: in #ubuntu you mean? [12:31] In ubottu, cdbs said: !hi is Saying 'Hi' or 'Hello' on entering a busy channel such as #ubuntu everytime is not recommended. Thanks! [12:31] * cdbs should have written something better for ^ [13:49] council, why has the channel #ubuntu-uds been left open and not closed ? [14:23] In #ubuntu, discharge said: ubottu: yes, i know it is, i used it for several days, and i have used it with screen too. Weechat is terminal based too [14:26] ... damned bank holidays... [16:02] ikonia: I'll look at it later today. We actually dropped the other UDS channels (since they can't get re-used). This was probably just an oversight since it didn't need dropping. But I think it does make sense to close it until UDS [16:26] someone in #ubuntu is sending gnome users to #xubuntu? [16:28] charlie-tca: someone asked how to join earlier, but I don't see anyone particularly sending anyone [16:29] I have a user in #xubuntu wanting to know why he was told to go there for support for Ubuntu [16:30] and, of course, I couldn't tell s/he why? [16:30] charlie-tca: who? [16:31] MrAnthrope [16:31] He didn't know who sent him [16:32] Oh I use gnome. I was just told to come in here and wasn't sure why. Now I'm really not sure why lol. [16:33] someone got mistaken [16:33] Okay [16:33] No problem then [16:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/540011/ [16:35] lol [16:35] Thanks, Myrtti [17:12] what the devil is CIA-24 (bot) in #kubuntu-devel [17:13] ikonia: devel commits bots [17:13] -s [17:16] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1500 users, 1 overflows, 1501 limit)) [17:17] cdbs: not officially [17:18] maco: I saw your pics in Riddell's blog, I guess you contribute there [17:18] yeah [17:18] * cdbs is bilalakhtar in case anyone is confused [17:18] im just not a member of ~kubuntu-dev yet [17:18] same case here, I regularly contribute but not a member of ~ubuntu-desktop yet :( [17:18] what do you guys do to contribute ? [17:18] write patches [17:18] ikonia: fix bugs, update stuff in the repos [17:18] Ubuntu GNOME packages are badly deviated from Debian [17:18] though...the one i was writing at uds i havent finished. i think im gonna have to write a library first to do it more-right [17:18] we take stuff directly from upstream nowadays [17:18] maco: What's the case with Kubuntu packages? [17:19] straight from upstream [17:19] the ubuntu gnome desktop is basically going into a fork [17:19] same here, which is quick but *bad* [17:19] ikonia: very much [17:19] we send our changes to debian [17:19] sucks [17:19] and it means MORE work for us [17:19] all the desktop devs are damn busy nowadays [17:20] i like kubuntu's patch policy... upstream has to ok it before it gets merged [17:20] with the GNOME 2.32 -> 3.0 and GNOME -> unity transition [17:20] probably too busy doing "their own thing" making a fork [17:21] I don't like it when Ubuntu tries to deviate from upstream (GNOME in this case) [17:22] maco: really? Patches need to be merged upstream first? Good policy, but we can't do that here, we are moving far away from GNOME [17:22] no, it's two fingers up at the open source projects it's built on [17:22] cdbs: not necessarily merged, but at least approved [17:22] :o [17:23] cdbs: for example, upstream qt said "well we're already frozen for 4.7 so go ahead and merge in your distro and we'll take that patch later" [17:23] (for the indicator stuff0 [17:23] * cdbs considers if he should join the Kubuntu developers and develop for them instead :) [17:23] cdbs: just do it (; [17:23] maco: atleast they recognise Ubuntu :) here they are like: 'We don't care' [17:24] They won't even look at the patch if they are in a freeze [17:24] cdbs: probably because ubuntu is doing it's own thing with no consideration for the other projects [17:24] probably [17:24] and there's a standing agreement that upstream kde uses 3 level deep kickoff menu and kubuntu uses 2 levels deep. kde doesnt want to switch but doesnt regard it as a big enough difference to worry about [17:24] if I was debian I wouldn't take patches of ubuntu as it just does what it wants [17:24] "off" [17:24] also many Kubuntu developers are KDE developers too (: [17:25] now that is a big change for KDE devs [17:25] that's useful [17:25] for us, that is barely a small change :D [17:25] cdbs: i said *doesnt* regard it as big enough to worry about :P [17:25] the patch has been shown to them, they say its fine they just dont want it [17:25] * cdbs misread [17:26] their concern is, i think, largely that kubuntu doesnt introduce quality issues that reflect poorly on kde [17:26] meanwhile the kubuntu devs are enough of kde fanboys and fangirls that they dont want to deviate too much in appearance...so things tend to work out [17:26] Because you people have a concern about KDE [17:26] we don't care about GNOME, they don't care about us :( [17:27] you shouldve seen desrt's face when i mentioned the kubuntu patch policy at uds [17:27] desrt? [17:27] it's all easier and makes more sense to cooperate with upstream IMO [17:27] ryan lortie [17:27] Tm_Tr: mention that to the gnome team [17:27] I would SURELY have attended UDS if I would have applied in time for sponsorship [17:28] you think a lot of yourself [17:28] Others with lesser contributions got accepted [17:28] brb [17:28] ikonia: surely depends on upstream, yes [17:29] I think the core in this is the close ties between KDE and Kubuntu developers (they're often the same) [17:30] rest follows I suppose [17:31] I'd like to better understand the decision making process and reasoning behind chosing unity for future releases. [17:35] maco: Another roadblock for us is that many upstreams (eg Nautilus) have declared that they won't be accepting patches this cycle [17:35] why ? [17:35] (why won't they accept patches) [17:35] I have 2 patches awaiting commit in GIMP and 1 in Nautilus, both accepted in Ubuntu [17:35] ikonia: because they are busy migrating to GTK3 [17:35] cdbs: right, so why don't ubuntu guys help with that ? [17:35] ikonia: its in Ubuntu [17:36] how can it be in ubuntu - but not be in upstream [17:36] Its called Ubuntu delta [17:36] it involvs modifying the Ubuntu package directly [17:36] so why hasn't that been done with upstream to stop two projects doing the same thing [17:37] cdbs: ikonia means why isnt ubuntu helping with gtk3 porting? are you saying ubuntu has already ported to gtk3? [17:37] sorry, thats what I mean, [17:38] maco, ikonia: The thing is, Ubuntu Natty still contains GNOME 2.32 packages [17:38] which is the same as maverick [17:38] why is that a problem ? [17:38] The 2.32 packages have been patched with the bugfix [17:38] Upstream is on 2.91 [17:38] can't you use 2.91 ? [17:38] which means they are in progress of the port [17:38] too unstable [17:38] g2g [17:38] oh [17:40] Now you see, stuff like this wouldn't happen if packages did not use cdbs. [18:17] FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1497 users, 14 overflows, 1511 limit)) [18:17] FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1497 users, 13 overflows, 1510 limit)) [18:17] FloodBot4 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1497 users, 16 overflows, 1513 limit)) [18:17] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1497 users, 14 overflows, 1511 limit)) [20:32] 19:45 Heya Mate! [20:32] 20:31 -!- KnownTroll [~Ricky@203.184.32.124] [20:32] 20:31 -!- was : Rick Barker [20:32] 20:31 -!- server : lindbohm.freenode.net [Sun Dec 5 19:58:28 2010] [20:32] 20:31 -!- End of WHOWAS [20:32] be aware another new alias for bacta, sent me a pm earlier [20:33] poutine changed their hostmask again >.> [20:33] oh really [20:33] so little has changed during my being away [20:33] same trolls [20:33] rww: I think there is a name ban in place for poutine in #ubuntu [20:33] Myrtti: Indeed. It's a little depressing. [20:34] Myrtti: possible because we do nothing about it, and find new ways to empower them and give them additional chances [20:34] ikonia: Yeah, I was pondering that. May as well add it to #ubuntu-offtopic. [20:34] go for it === Pici` is now known as Pici [22:05] Is there anything can be done about the spammers that jump in, spam, and leave? [22:08] report them to staff if you suspect they're doing it in more than one channel [23:44] In #ubuntu, barfster said: ubottu: sun-java6 is not and option