[00:00] <ikonia> however I thought it polite to just ask if she new of a reason before assuming it was her or the older issue
[00:00] <Pici> I don't think thats a good idea.
[00:00] <Pici> You're going to open up a can of worms.
[00:00]  * IdleOne hands ikonia salt and pepper
[00:00] <IdleOne> for the worms :)
[00:01] <ikonia> she's responded now and been very reasonable
[00:01] <ikonia> it's not unreasonable to ask if she knows if it was her or not, if it's an old legacy thing, then we can remove it
[00:01] <ikonia> unless anyone objects
[00:02] <IdleOne> no objection here.
[00:03] <ikonia> I need to get to grip with the newer formats
[00:03] <ikonia> (ban formats)
[00:03] <Pici> 'new'?
[00:04] <tonyyarusso> It's okay - I haven't really learned them yet either :S
[00:04] <IdleOne> :) glad it wasn't just me
[00:04] <ikonia> well, they are new to me, some of the changes made when freenode changed irc daemons
[00:04] <Pici> That was nearly a year ago ;)
[00:04] <ikonia> ok, so I'm slack
[00:04] <ikonia> I'll take my punishment
[00:05] <tonyyarusso> Everyone who knows the new stuff and is not nor has ever been network staff raise your hand ;)
[00:05]  * Pici raises his hand
[00:05] <ikonia> "it's been a year"........
[00:05]  * Pici looks around
[00:05] <tonyyarusso> Pici: I thought you were staff once?
[00:05] <ikonia> show off
[00:06] <Pici> tonyyarusso: never.
[00:06] <Pici> I just hang out in #freenode.
[00:06] <tonyyarusso> Hrm.  Well then you're just the overachiever throwing off the curve.
[00:06] <Pici> :(
[00:06] <ikonia> no need for sadness
[00:06] <ikonia> someone should know it
[00:32] <ikonia> what happened to my presvious client
[00:32] <ikonia> previous
[00:33] <knome> ikonia, ping timeout
[00:33] <knome> 19 minutes ago
[00:34] <ikonia> how odd, the sessions still alive, the box is still on the network, irssi appears to have just hung
[00:40]  * rww raises hand
[00:41] <rww> I'm still slow, though! >.>
[00:41]  * knome tickles rww
[00:47] <ikonia> so what is r:$username
[00:50] <rww> ikonia: assuming you mean $r:username, it matches anyone with a realname/GECOS field of "username"
[00:50] <ikonia> ah, realname
[00:50] <ikonia> so thats why the ban wasn't picked up on emma
[00:50] <ikonia> it wasn't username, it was real name
[00:51] <ikonia> bed time
[00:51] <ikonia> night
[00:51] <rww> I have http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml on bookmark, btw :)
[00:52] <ikonia> nice
[01:12] <tonyyarusso> My bookmarks are nightmarish - I probably have at least a dozen different sets.
[01:27] <charlie-tca> ikonia, thanks for keeping on eye on #xubutnu
[01:27] <charlie-tca> s/xubutnu/xubuntu
[01:27]  * charlie-tca is tired; spelling goes away rapidlyhyyy
[02:56] <maco> rww_: whered you get that underline?
[02:57] <rww_> I think it looks qt
[03:17] <bazhang> I just run the kernel?
[03:18] <rww_> mhm. Not sure what aegis is on about either.
[03:21] <bazhang> the wall of gibberish that zhkx pasted in #ubuntu last night was horrific stuff
[03:23] <rww_> I don't see that nick in my scrollback
[03:37] <rww_> downside of pointy clicky IRC client: [Disconnect] button >.>
[03:38] <bazhang> hehe
[03:38] <bazhang> iconrad seems to be an issue now
[04:02] <rww_> bazhang: rww's law #221: Sufficiently silly people are indistinguishible from trolls.
[04:02] <bazhang> rww_, heh
[04:14] <rww_> bazhang: I'd mute him, but someone else would just rise up to replace him. Oh look, malv's back.
[05:36] <bazhang> pfred1 seems to be an issue
[05:37] <rww> indeed
[05:42] <bazhang> thats a ban forward here imo
[05:42] <rww> +1
[05:42] <bazhang> so /mode +bf hostmask $#ubuntu-ops ?
[05:43] <rww> /mode #ubuntu +b hostmask$#ubuntu-ops
[05:43] <bazhang> thanks rww
[05:44] <rww> so for the cool kids, /mode #ubuntu +b-qo *!*@unaffiliated/pfred1$#ubuntu-ops *!*@unaffiliated/pfred1 bazhang
[05:47] <bazhang> well the bot prompted me for a comment, so it seems to have worked
[06:04] <bazhang> Assbeard?
[06:05] <rww> wat
[06:05] <bazhang> in #x
[06:05] <rww> oh, not in there.
[10:19] <jussi> good morning yarol, how can we help you?
[10:22] <yarol> hi jussi
[10:22] <yarol> tengo un canal nuevo y quiero que sea recomendado es referente a ubuntu y linux en general y seguridad unnformatica
[10:22] <jussi> yarol: do you speak english?
[10:22] <yarol> sorry
[10:22] <yarol> I have a new channel and want it to be recommended is referring to ubuntu and linux in general and security unnformatica
[10:23] <yarol> where am I going?
[10:23] <jussi> yarol: Im not sure what youare asking, but perhaps its better to ask in #ubuntu-es
[10:23] <yarol> but it is the channel of ops
[10:24] <jussi> No, the spanish ops channel is #ubuntu-es-ops
[10:24] <yarol> ok thanks
[10:24] <jussi> yw
[10:26] <Myrtti> I suppose (s)he wanted to get adspace for his/her channel
[10:32] <knome> adspace? where?
[10:32] <jussi> Myrtti: perhaps
[10:32]  * jussi is nom'ing the karjalan paisti he made yesterday...
[10:33] <knome> btw it's karjalanpaisti
[10:33] <knome> but yeah, i could do with one (or a few) serving(s) as well
[10:34] <Tm_T> you're not even Karelians...
[10:34] <jussi> so?
[10:34] <knome> yeah, so?
[10:34] <jussi> knome: you are welcome to come by :P
[10:34] <knome> jussi, yeah... too bad you're a bit far
[10:34] <jussi> I made it in the leivnuuni, so ts extra good
[10:34] <knome> is there a train station @kempele?
[10:35] <jussi> no
[10:35] <jussi> :(
[10:35] <knome> lol
[10:36] <knome> if i'd leave NOW, i'd be @oulu @21:34
[10:36] <jussi> I could make another one by then :D
[10:36] <knome> well, i might just catch the earlier train
[10:36] <knome> so 20:11 MAYBE
[10:36] <jussi> run!!
[10:36] <knome> haha
[10:37] <knome> well it leaves in 30mins from helsinki, so yeah, i should catch it
[10:37] <knome> too bad the ticket costs 71,50
[10:37] <knome> err
[10:37] <knome> ;)
[10:37] <knome> if it would be 7,15, i would run
[10:37] <knome> s/would be/was/
[10:37] <jussi> question is, is my karjalanpaisti that good? :D
[10:37] <knome> well i don't know about *your* karjalanpaisti, but i generally like meat
[10:38] <knome> ;)
[10:38] <jussi> mine is extra good :)
[10:38] <knome> yeah, i can imagine with the leivinuuni
[10:39] <knome> anyway, when were you coming to helsinki?
[10:39] <jussi> I dont  know - we are not headed in for christmas, as I havent got any days off. probably january sometime
[10:39] <knome> mm-hmm
[10:40] <knome> sounds like something we have to celebrate with beer
[10:41] <jussi> yes, i agree, beer and topyli
[10:41] <knome> well i'm not completely sure if topyli would taste good, but you're free to, if you want
[10:42] <jussi> lol
[10:42] <jussi> no, we are celebrating with him... not eating him...
[10:42] <knome> oh, right...
[10:42] <knome> ;)
[10:43] <topyli> phew
[10:43] <knome> well you guys could come up to my place this time :)
[10:44] <jussi> hehe
[10:44] <knome> no THAT place you were thinking, you dirty guy
[11:12] <Myrtti> sometimes I wonder do people somehow sense I'm a female and not respond to my questions about their problems because of that
[11:12] <Myrtti> because I've had that several times IRL
[11:17] <jrib> Myrtti: in #ubuntu you mean?
[12:31]  * cdbs should have written something better for ^
[13:49] <ikonia> council, why has the channel #ubuntu-uds been left open and not closed ?
[14:26] <Myrtti> ... damned bank holidays...
[16:02] <evilnhandler> ikonia: I'll look at it later today. We actually dropped the other UDS channels (since they can't get re-used). This was probably just an oversight since it didn't need dropping. But I think it does make sense to close it until UDS
[16:26] <charlie-tca> someone in #ubuntu is sending gnome users to #xubuntu?
[16:28] <Myrtti> charlie-tca: someone asked how to join earlier, but I don't see anyone particularly sending anyone
[16:29] <charlie-tca> I have a user in #xubuntu wanting to know why he was told to go there for support for Ubuntu
[16:30] <charlie-tca> and, of course, I couldn't tell s/he why?
[16:30] <Myrtti> charlie-tca: who?
[16:31] <charlie-tca> MrAnthrope
[16:31] <charlie-tca> He didn't know who sent him
 Oh I use gnome. I was just told to come in here and wasn't sure why. Now I'm really not sure why lol.
[16:33] <Myrtti> someone got mistaken
[16:33] <charlie-tca> Okay
[16:33] <charlie-tca> No problem then
[16:33] <Myrtti> http://paste.ubuntu.com/540011/
[16:35] <charlie-tca> lol
[16:35] <charlie-tca> Thanks, Myrtti
[17:12] <ikonia> what the devil is CIA-24 (bot) in #kubuntu-devel
[17:13] <Tm_T> ikonia: devel commits bots
[17:13] <Tm_T> -s
[17:17] <maco> cdbs: not officially
[17:18] <cdbs> maco: I saw your pics in Riddell's blog, I guess you contribute there
[17:18] <maco> yeah
[17:18]  * cdbs is bilalakhtar in case anyone is confused
[17:18] <maco> im just not a member of ~kubuntu-dev yet
[17:18] <cdbs> same case here, I regularly contribute but not a member of ~ubuntu-desktop yet :(
[17:18] <ikonia> what do you guys do to contribute ?
[17:18] <maco> write patches
[17:18] <cdbs> ikonia: fix bugs, update stuff in the repos
[17:18] <cdbs> Ubuntu GNOME packages are badly deviated from Debian
[17:18] <maco> though...the one i was writing at uds i havent finished. i think im gonna have to write a library first to do it more-right
[17:18] <cdbs> we take stuff directly from upstream nowadays
[17:18] <cdbs> maco: What's the case with Kubuntu packages?
[17:19] <maco> straight from upstream
[17:19] <ikonia> the ubuntu gnome desktop is basically going into a fork
[17:19] <cdbs> same here, which is quick but *bad*
[17:19] <cdbs> ikonia: very much
[17:19] <maco> we send our changes to debian
[17:19] <ikonia> sucks
[17:19] <cdbs> and it means MORE work for us
[17:19] <cdbs> all the desktop devs are damn busy nowadays
[17:20] <maco> i like kubuntu's patch policy... upstream has to ok it before it gets merged
[17:20] <cdbs> with the GNOME 2.32 -> 3.0 and GNOME -> unity transition
[17:20] <ikonia> probably too busy doing "their own thing" making a fork
[17:21] <cdbs> I don't like it when Ubuntu tries to deviate from upstream (GNOME in this case)
[17:22] <cdbs> maco: really? Patches need to be merged upstream first? Good policy, but we can't do that here, we are moving far away from GNOME
[17:22] <ikonia> no, it's two fingers up at the open source projects it's built on
[17:22] <maco> cdbs: not necessarily merged, but at least approved
[17:22] <cdbs> :o
[17:23] <maco> cdbs: for example, upstream qt said "well we're already frozen for 4.7 so go ahead and merge in your distro and we'll take that patch later"
[17:23] <maco> (for the indicator stuff0
[17:23]  * cdbs considers if he should join the Kubuntu developers and develop for them instead :)
[17:23] <Tm_Tr> cdbs: just do it (;
[17:23] <cdbs> maco: atleast they recognise Ubuntu :) here they are like: 'We don't care'
[17:24] <cdbs> They won't even look at the patch if they are in a freeze
[17:24] <ikonia> cdbs: probably because ubuntu is doing it's own thing with no consideration for the other projects
[17:24] <cdbs> probably
[17:24] <maco> and there's a standing agreement that upstream kde uses 3 level deep kickoff menu and kubuntu uses 2 levels deep. kde doesnt want to switch but doesnt regard it as a big enough difference to worry about
[17:24] <ikonia> if I was debian I wouldn't take patches of ubuntu as it just does what it wants
[17:24] <ikonia> "off"
[17:24] <Tm_Tr> also many Kubuntu developers are KDE developers too (:
[17:25] <cdbs> now that is a big change for KDE devs
[17:25] <ikonia> that's useful
[17:25] <cdbs> for us, that is barely a small change :D
[17:25] <maco> cdbs: i said *doesnt* regard it as big enough to worry about :P
[17:25] <maco> the patch has been shown to them, they say its fine they just dont want it
[17:25]  * cdbs misread
[17:26] <maco> their concern is, i think, largely that kubuntu doesnt introduce quality issues that reflect poorly on kde
[17:26] <maco> meanwhile the kubuntu devs are enough of kde fanboys and fangirls that they dont want to deviate too much in appearance...so things tend to work out
[17:26] <cdbs> Because you people have a concern about KDE
[17:26] <cdbs> we don't care about GNOME, they don't care about us :(
[17:27] <maco> you shouldve seen desrt's face when i mentioned the kubuntu patch policy at uds
[17:27] <cdbs> desrt?
[17:27] <Tm_Tr> it's all easier and makes more sense to cooperate with upstream IMO
[17:27] <maco> ryan lortie
[17:27] <ikonia> Tm_Tr: mention that to the gnome team
[17:27] <cdbs> I would SURELY have attended UDS if I would have applied in time for sponsorship
[17:28] <ikonia> you think a lot of yourself
[17:28] <cdbs> Others with lesser contributions got accepted
[17:28] <cdbs> brb
[17:28] <Tm_Tr> ikonia: surely depends on upstream, yes
[17:29] <Tm_Tr> I think the core in this is the close ties between KDE and Kubuntu developers (they're often the same)
[17:30] <Tm_Tr> rest follows I suppose
[17:31] <ikonia> I'd like to better understand the decision making process and reasoning behind chosing unity for future releases.
[17:35] <cdbs> maco: Another roadblock for us is that many upstreams (eg Nautilus) have declared that they won't be accepting patches this cycle
[17:35] <ikonia> why ?
[17:35] <ikonia> (why won't they accept patches)
[17:35] <cdbs> I have 2 patches awaiting commit in GIMP and 1 in Nautilus, both accepted in Ubuntu
[17:35] <cdbs> ikonia: because they are busy migrating to GTK3
[17:35] <ikonia> cdbs: right, so why don't ubuntu guys help with that ?
[17:35] <cdbs> ikonia: its in Ubuntu
[17:36] <ikonia> how can it be in ubuntu - but not be in upstream
[17:36] <cdbs> Its called Ubuntu delta
[17:36] <cdbs> it involvs modifying the Ubuntu package directly
[17:36] <ikonia> so why hasn't that been done with upstream to stop two projects doing the same thing
[17:37] <maco> cdbs: ikonia means why isnt ubuntu helping with gtk3 porting? are you saying ubuntu has already ported to gtk3?
[17:37] <ikonia> sorry, thats what I mean,
[17:38] <cdbs> maco, ikonia: The thing is, Ubuntu Natty still contains GNOME 2.32 packages
[17:38] <cdbs> which is the same as maverick
[17:38] <ikonia> why is that a problem ?
[17:38] <cdbs> The 2.32 packages have been patched with the bugfix
[17:38] <cdbs> Upstream is on 2.91
[17:38] <ikonia> can't you use 2.91 ?
[17:38] <cdbs> which means they are in progress of the port
[17:38] <cdbs> too unstable
[17:38] <cdbs> g2g
[17:38] <ikonia> oh
[17:40] <jpds> Now you see, stuff like this wouldn't happen if packages did not use cdbs.
[20:32] <ikonia> 19:45 <KnownTroll> Heya Mate!
[20:32] <ikonia> 20:31 -!- KnownTroll [~Ricky@203.184.32.124]
[20:32] <ikonia> 20:31 -!-  was      : Rick Barker
[20:32] <ikonia> 20:31 -!-  server   : lindbohm.freenode.net [Sun Dec 5 19:58:28 2010]
[20:32] <ikonia> 20:31 -!- End of WHOWAS
[20:32] <ikonia> be aware another new alias for bacta, sent me a pm earlier
[20:33] <rww> poutine changed their hostmask again >.>
[20:33] <ikonia> oh really
[20:33] <Myrtti> so little has changed during my being away
[20:33] <Myrtti> same trolls
[20:33] <ikonia> rww: I think there is a name ban in place for poutine in #ubuntu
[20:33] <rww> Myrtti: Indeed. It's a little depressing.
[20:34] <ikonia> Myrtti: possible because we do nothing about it, and find new ways to empower them and give them additional chances
[20:34] <rww> ikonia: Yeah, I was pondering that. May as well add it to #ubuntu-offtopic.
[20:34] <ikonia> go for it
[22:05] <charlie-tca> Is there anything can be done about the spammers that jump in, spam, and leave?
[22:08] <LjL> report them to staff if you suspect they're doing it in more than one channel