[00:03] <cap_00> ivoks you're awesome
[00:03] <cap_00> i'm back up
[00:04] <cap_00> where can i take a course on ubuntu or some trainning to know all that?
[00:05] <ivoks> training.canonical.com
[00:05] <ivoks> or #ubuntu-training
[00:06] <ivoks> that would be a good first step
[00:06] <cap_00> awesome, i'll take one soon
[00:06] <ivoks> make that
[00:06] <ivoks> http://www.ubuntu.com/support/training
[00:07] <cap_00> i'm sure work wouldn't be to happy if this had of happened on monday morning instead of saturday
[00:08] <ivoks> well, you were the all variables in equation.. so :)
[00:08] <cap_00> yuuuup
[00:08] <cap_00> one quick question for you before you go?
[00:10] <cap_00> do i need to turn on a gui in order to log into kvm for the first time? i tried putting the openssh-server in the --addpkg but it never seemed to work for me unless i messed up the bridged network config
[00:13] <cap_00> maybe not so quick lol
[00:18] <cap_00> thanks a million ivoks, i owe you a beer or 10
[00:21] <ivoks> nope
[00:22] <ivoks> ah, he left
[00:22] <ivoks> didn't have a change to mention vnc :)
[00:22] <ivoks> chance
[00:29] <cokegen> anyone knows how to configure compiz ?
[00:30] <cokegen> stupid question to ask here, I know
[00:46] <garymc> im upgrading ubuntu to latest version it now asking if I want to keep localy modified files or install package maintainers version? What should I do?
[00:47] <jgould> depends on what you've done to the local fiels
[00:47] <garymc> ok ill keep the current versions
[00:47] <jgould> I did that and kept my locally modified files so I didn't lose my samba config
[00:48] <garymc> god it goes on this upgrade
[00:48] <garymc> hope the whole thing doesnt come crashing down
[00:48] <jgould> I did that and lost a very customized samba config
[00:48] <jgould> Now if only I could get my NFS working, I'd be happy
[00:59] <garymc> system is rebooting. Fingers crossed
[00:59] <garymc> touching wood
[01:13] <garymc> It works.... well website does an stuff also fixed my previous date issue today
[01:13] <garymc> good night
[01:13] <garymc> Thanks ivoks
[02:26] <aarcane> anyone have a working extables-addons-source ?  mien gives error messages every time I run m-a a-i xtables-addons-source :(
[03:16] <lucascastro> does someone know something about monitor authentications ?
[03:47] <databits> what is the default directory for the imap.conf, and smtpd.conf ?
[04:00] <jhansonxi> I have a pair of Apache2 sites (www, www-other).  How do I restrict the BackupPC alias (in conf.d) so that /backuppc only exists in www?
[05:46] <Starhero> Hello
[05:46] <Starhero> Anyone know of a twitter CLI app that actually works? Trying to through it into a script for an auto update...
[05:46] <Starhero> The ones i have tried give me a 401 unauth error
[05:46] <Starhero> the pass is correct with the username
[05:47] <Cromulent> Starhero: are you sure? 99% of times I have thought the app was broken it turned out I had done something wrong
[05:48] <Cromulent> recheck the password / username
[05:48] <Starhero> I have quite a few times
[05:48] <Starhero> What do you use? I'll do more testing on what app you speak of...
[05:49] <Starhero> even gotweet isnt working
[05:50] <Cromulent> Starhero: the app I referred too was a general app not a specifc - as in when one has a problem with a given app it is generally down to user error
[05:50] <Cromulent> sorry I should have been clearer
[05:52] <Starhero> hmm I trhink maybe it is because something called Oauth isn't installed....I have see referances to it ...but i think that is an embeded class or something i am not sure
[07:06] <CppIsWeird> I have a raid 5 setup using mdadm. My server has been on for a few days with little activity. All of the sudden I noticed the sound of my hard drives working a lot more then they should. I checked the state of the raid 5 and it says "clean, recovering" and has a rebuild status of 31%. this raid has been built and active for many months, what does this behavior mean?
[07:07] <CppIsWeird> listed under "Active Devices : 4, Working Devices : 4, and Failed Devices : 0"
[07:09] <Doble> whats the uptime of your server cppisweird?
[07:09] <Doble> is it possible it has crashed or had a power failure ?
[07:28] <CppIsWeird> no, it does not boot back up after a power failure
[07:29] <CppIsWeird> uptime is 4 days
[08:12] <aarcane> CppIsWeird, check your smart status, there should be something in there.
[08:21] <a1fa> anyone familiar with taskset?
[08:22] <a1fa> i split two processes across two different cores, but only one is crunching while other one is idle?
[09:16] <joschi> anyone familiar with octopussy (http://www.8pussy.org/)?
[09:28] <ckvcom> register
[09:56] <Sparsh> Hello, I have a ubuntu 10.04 64 bit server which is used to server as much as 40Million web requests per day
[09:57] <Sparsh> the request ranges from all over the world and ofcourse involved millions of different IP addresses
[09:57] <Sparsh> I am not sure how to best configure the server as far as IP conncetions setting is involved
[09:58] <ivoks> sunday is perfect timing for that question :)
[09:59] <ivoks> are there any problems with current setup?
[09:59] <ivoks> Sparsh: ^
[10:00] <Sparsh> there are some problems btu I am not sure if they are because of this issue
[10:00] <Sparsh> last night we had 504s
[10:00] <Sparsh> and a lot of connections were refused
[10:01] <Sparsh> so I guess we reached the saturation and our server wasnt accepting more connections from IPs
[10:01] <Sparsh> but I dont know where to start investigation and fix
[10:01] <ivoks> web server is?
[10:02] <Sparsh> yea. it got Varnish Cache on it
[10:02] <Sparsh> only varnish and pound cache on it.. with backend connected with 5 apache servers on a round robin basis
[10:02] <ivoks> so... http error messages are above ip
[10:03] <ivoks> if you get http error messages, then your ip communication is ok
[10:03] <Sparsh> possible SYN flooding on port 80. Sending cookies
[10:03] <Sparsh> this is one of the error we got
[10:03] <ivoks> you'll get those all the time
[10:03] <Sparsh> and also our monitoring scripts reported 504s (Gateway Timeout)
[10:03] <Sparsh> what does this error mean
[10:03] <ivoks> nothing to worry about unless you get it bunch of times and no one can access the web
[10:04] <ivoks> let's start all over again
[10:04] <Sparsh> hmm.. but how to check the IP tables / IP connections related configuration
[10:04] <Sparsh> sure
[10:04] <ivoks> we are talking about varnish or apache machine?
[10:04] <Sparsh> varnish machine to start with
[10:05] <ivoks> so, that machine reports 504 when accessing apache?
[10:06] <Sparsh> Yes,
[10:06] <ivoks> then you have a problem
[10:06] <Sparsh> http://monitor.wingify.com/munin/visualwebsiteoptimizer.com/varnish.visualwebsiteoptimizer.com.html#Varnish
[10:06] <Sparsh> this is a munin graph
[10:06] <Sparsh> there were a lot f backend conn failures
[10:08] <ivoks> yes
[10:08] <ivoks> and you have a very bad cache hit/miss ratio
[10:08] <Sparsh> all we know is something went very wrong yesterday.. but what exactly is something I have jst started investigation
[10:09] <Sparsh> its usually around 70
[10:09] <Sparsh> because we ourselves force pass to a few web requests
[10:09] <Sparsh> our config demands hit for only one specific type of request
[10:09] <ivoks> well, have you seen your 'connection through firewall'?
[10:09] <Sparsh> how exactly to see that
[10:10] <ivoks> http://monitor.wingify.com/munin/visualwebsiteoptimizer.com/varnish.visualwebsiteoptimizer.com-fw_conntrack.html
[10:10] <Sparsh> ohh sorry..
[10:10] <Sparsh> the big chunk of data missing is because we switched the website to our backup server cluster
[10:11] <ivoks> i have a website with half the traffic you get
[10:11] <Sparsh> when we realized that something is going bad with it
[10:11] <ivoks> but with only 2 apaches
[10:11] <Sparsh> do you also use some sort of caching system ?
[10:11] <Sparsh> for us response times is the most critical thing.
[10:11] <ivoks> and with bigger cache hit/miss ratio
[10:12] <ivoks> i use varnish too
[10:12] <Sparsh> okay, we have recently moved to varnish and still trying to learn
[10:12] <Sparsh> 2 days back we moved completely from nginx based load balancing to varnish front
[10:12] <ivoks> it takes time
[10:12] <ivoks> was there a reason for that?
[10:13] <ivoks> was nginx failing? :)
[10:13] <Sparsh> well nginx was sending request to apache servers
[10:13] <Sparsh> then we installed varnihs
[10:13] <Sparsh> and started routing traffic via varnish
[10:14] <Sparsh> so it was nginx->varnish->apache which is a waste.. so we removed nginx and let varnish face the traffic
[10:14] <ivoks> ok
[10:14] <Sparsh> and suddenly we realized http://monitor.wingify.com/munin/visualwebsiteoptimizer.com/varnish.visualwebsiteoptimizer.com-fw_forwarded_local.html has shot up
[10:14] <Sparsh> and still increasing
[10:15] <Sparsh> and I wonder we arent doing something correctly.. maybe ip connections are active for a lot longer then required
[10:15] <ivoks> there's no single anwser for this setups
[10:15] <ivoks> every setup is customized to your needs
[10:16] <Sparsh> http://paste.org/pastebin/view/25768
[10:16] <ivoks> this isn't unusal graph
[10:16] <Sparsh> this is the varnish settings we have at the moment
[10:16] <ivoks> on my less frequent web, it's ~18k
[10:17] <Sparsh> hmm
[10:18] <ivoks> so, when you used nginx
[10:18] <ivoks> i guess your servers had public ips?
[10:19] <ivoks> nginx wasn't doing nating, right?
[10:19] <Sparsh> yes
[10:19] <Sparsh> it was again a very basic kinda default setup and there wasnt any NATing
[10:20] <ivoks> and now there is NATing?
[10:20] <ivoks> varnish has public ip, while apaches have private ips
[10:21] <ivoks> that explains ipconntrack
[10:21] <ivoks> if you don't do NAT, then there aren't connections to track
[10:21] <Sparsh> hmm.. sorry but I am not exactly aware of this
[10:21] <Sparsh> is ipconntrack bad ?
[10:21] <ivoks> no
[10:21] <Sparsh> what exactly is it
[10:21] <ivoks> that's a normal thing
[10:22] <ivoks> when your machines does NAT, it tracks the connections
[10:22] <Sparsh> if there is any efficiency issues here
[10:23] <ivoks> looking at your graph, you don't have that many connections
[10:23] <ivoks> you have 10x less than i do
[10:23] <Sparsh> well during peak its around 400 req/sec
[10:24] <ivoks> i'm talking about ipconntrack
[10:24] <Sparsh> okay
[10:24] <ivoks> your peek is 2k
[10:24] <ivoks> which is... low
[10:24] <Sparsh> okay.
[10:24] <Sparsh> anything else which is unusual in the graphs which you can spot
[10:25] <Sparsh> or any other variable / config on the server which might be important to the type of setup we have
[10:26] <ivoks> no, everythin looks fine
[10:26] <ivoks> you should look at your apache servers
[10:26] <ivoks> one thing i'm missing on this graphs
[10:27] <ivoks> if varnish server is doing NAT, why do you have only eth0
[10:27] <Sparsh> what does it mean
[10:27] <ivoks> you know what NAT is?
[10:28] <Sparsh> I have some idea YES, but ofcourse wont say I know it all
[10:28] <ivoks> so, if you have private network on eth0
[10:28] <ivoks> your kernel does NAT to eth1
[10:28] <ivoks> or eth1 to eth0
[10:28] <ivoks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation
[10:29] <ivoks> or you don't do NAT?
[10:29] <Sparsh> my /etc/network/interfaces
[10:29] <ivoks> does your varnish server have a public ip?
[10:29] <Sparsh> auto lo
[10:29] <Sparsh> iface lo inet loopback
[10:29] <Sparsh> auto eth0 eth0:1
[10:29] <Sparsh> iface eth0 inet dhcp
[10:29] <Sparsh> iface eth0:1 inet static
[10:29] <Sparsh>  address 192.168.162.141
[10:29] <Sparsh>  netmask 255.255.128.0
[10:30] <ivoks> don't paste here
[10:30] <ivoks> and what address does it get from dhcp? public or private?
[10:30] <Sparsh> public
[10:31] <Sparsh> But I would want to confirm
[10:31] <Sparsh> how can I do that
[10:31] <Sparsh> any particular commands I should run on the server
[10:31] <ivoks> ip a
[10:32] <ivoks> if it's a public, then you have an ok design for small office, but a bad one for serious web sites
[10:32] <Sparsh> http://paste.org/pastebin/view/25770
[10:33] <Sparsh> consider this as a serious website
[10:33] <ivoks> then get your self additional ethernet card
[10:33] <Sparsh> and ?
[10:33] <ivoks> connect your private machines to isolated, private network
[10:34] <ivoks> don't have them all on the same swith (public and private)
[10:34] <Sparsh> okay
[10:34] <Sparsh> right now we have a hosting on Linode
[10:34] <ivoks> that's a basic thing to do
[10:34] <Sparsh> okay
[10:34] <ivoks> this all is on linode?
[10:34] <Sparsh> yes
[10:34] <Sparsh> around 12 servers on linode
[10:34] <Sparsh> we are thinking of moving dedicated
[10:34] <ivoks> then i must say i'm surprised it works so well :)
[10:35] <ivoks> 40 milion visitors per month...
[10:35] <ivoks> that's 10x my country has citizens :D
[10:35] <Sparsh> haha, where are you from
[10:35] <ivoks> croatia
[10:36] <ivoks> anyway... separate private from public
[10:36] <Sparsh> well we have struggled to get this setup working but we are struggling even more now
[10:36] <Sparsh> okay
[10:36] <ivoks> linode hosts virtual machines
[10:36] <Sparsh> yes
[10:36] <ivoks> so you have additional overhead there
[10:36] <Sparsh> hmm..
[10:36] <ivoks> i use linode too, but not for stuff like this
[10:36] <ivoks> for stuff like this we use, almost, dedicated DC :)
[10:37] <Sparsh> hmm
[10:37] <ivoks> linode is awesome, but you have to be aware of its limitations
[10:38] <ivoks> i doubt it can handle that many requests
[10:38] <Sparsh> yea i guess now we have started realizing the limitations
[10:39] <Sparsh> If you odnt mind, can I add you on skype. YOu have been very very helpful to me. I am working with wingify which develops visualwebsiteoptimizer.com and this all setup is for this website
[10:39] <Sparsh> we have some script which gets added to clients website which this setup sends.
[10:40] <ivoks> well, we can stay on IRC and I can help you when i have time
[10:40] <ivoks> or... we can go skype, but that will become serious, not pro bono :)
[10:40] <Sparsh> sure whatever you prefer
[10:40] <ivoks> *not pro bono*
[10:41] <ivoks> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_bono
[10:41] <ivoks> :)
[10:41] <Sparsh> aah :)
[10:49] <garymc> HI I upgraded ubuntu to latest version last night but now my LTSP doesnt work no more :(
[10:50] <ivoks> :)
[10:50] <garymc> hi ivoks you still here
[10:50] <garymc> well its broken my system
[10:51] <garymc> any idea how I can get this fixed?
[10:51] <ivoks> yes, for a minute... i'll be out for next 10
[10:51] <garymc> Website works etc which is a plus, but now nobody in the office can log into the LTSP side of the server
[10:51] <garymc> :(
[10:51] <ivoks> do you know what's the problem?
[10:52] <ivoks> on a tech level, not on a 'user' level
[10:52] <garymc> no
[10:53] <garymc> all i know is when we turn a Computer on that runs off the LTSP it now says BOOT DISK FAILURE
[10:53] <garymc> which means it isnt booting from the LTSP server no more
[10:53] <garymc> normaly get that when the cable is unplugged
[10:53] <ivoks> ok
[10:53] <ivoks> that's a good start
[10:53] <ivoks> i guess ltsp boots from nfs?
[10:53] <garymc> its like a year since I touched it.... n
[10:54] <garymc> yes i think so, that rings a bell
[10:54] <ivoks> check if nfs is running on your server
[10:55] <garymc> how
[10:55] <ivoks> ps ax | grep nfs
[10:55] <garymc>  3910 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep nfs
[10:55] <ivoks> so, it's not
[10:55] <garymc> EEeeeek
[10:55] <ivoks> going out for a smoke
[10:55] <ivoks> we'll solve this when i get back
[10:56] <garymc> ok thanks
[10:56] <garymc> your a saint
[10:56] <garymc> :S
[11:08] <ivoks> i don't believe in ferrys :)
[11:08] <garymc> i beleive in fairys
[11:08] <garymc> :)
[11:08] <ivoks> or that :)
[11:08] <garymc> nice smoke?
[11:08] <ivoks> fairies
[11:08] <Doble> hi folks, im trying to set up a tf2 server, and when doing so ive started and stopped the program a few times, but it appears it hasn't stopped properly, as according to ps it is still running, however when i try to kill it via the PID it doesnt seem to work, can someone help ?
[11:09] <ivoks> garymc: ok, let me install nfs, to see how it starts and stops
[11:10] <ivoks> i don't have lucid with nfs yet :/
[11:10] <garymc> ok
[11:10] <ivoks> garymc: ok does /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart helps?
[11:11] <garymc> let me try
[11:11] <garymc> no such file or directory
[11:11] <ivoks> /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
[11:12] <garymc> no such file or directory
[11:12] <ivoks> is there a file /etc/exports
[11:13] <garymc> nope
[11:14] <garymc> could it be anything to do with ethup etc?
[11:14] <ivoks> hm... ltsp doesn't use nfs
[11:14] <garymc> ok....
[11:14] <ivoks> it's using nbd
[11:15] <garymc> ok..
[11:17] <ivoks> so, how does the problem look like on your think client?
[11:17] <ivoks> you power it on
[11:17] <ivoks> it starts booting from network
[11:17] <ivoks> get's the ip and then starts booting?
[11:17] <garymc> normaly yes
[11:18] <garymc> but now says BOOT DISK FAILURE
[11:18] <ivoks> before even getting to boot from network?
[11:18] <garymc> yes
[11:18] <ivoks> or it tries and fails
[11:18] <garymc> im not at the office Im being told this over the phone
[11:18] <garymc> :S
[11:19] <ivoks> ok
[11:19] <ivoks> let's assume tftpd or dhcp isn't working right
[11:19] <garymc> ok
[11:19] <ivoks> ps ax | grep tftp
[11:19] <ivoks> stgraber: around?
[11:19] <garymc> ax command not found
[11:20] <ivoks> garymc: i said 'ps ax'
[11:20] <garymc> dont think he/she is as I posted this in the LTSP channel no response
[11:21] <garymc>  1359 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/sbin/in.tftpd --listen --user tftp --address 0.0.0.0:69 /srv/tftp  3941 pts/0    S+     0:00 grep tftp
[11:22] <ivoks> ok, so that works
[11:22] <garymc> ok
[11:22] <ivoks> ps ax | grep dhcp
[11:23] <garymc>  should I pastebin this one
[11:23] <garymc> i best had
[11:23] <garymc> http://pastebin.ca/2011070
[11:23] <ivoks> so, that's running too
[11:23] <garymc> ok
[11:24] <ivoks> then you can't get BOOT FAILURE
[11:24] <garymc> im thinking maybe I should have updated through the GNOME and not the Terminal
[11:24] <garymc> *upgraded
[11:25] <ivoks> you would get that message on a PC if your boot devices do not exist
[11:25] <ivoks> and clearly, pxe boot does
[11:25] <ivoks> if there's an error in pxe boot, it would look totally different
[11:25] <garymc> could the netwrok switch be faulty in the office?
[11:25] <ivoks> check your /var/log/syslog
[11:25] <ivoks> look for DHCP entries
[11:25] <ivoks> see if there are errors or odd behavior
[11:27] <garymc> look with me :S http://pastebin.ca/2011075
[11:28] <ivoks> so, it works
[11:29] <ivoks> you might want to forward your email for root to the user
[11:29] <garymc> yeah I remeber seeing dovecot failures last night when it was installing
[11:30] <ivoks> system is trying to send you an email
[11:30] <ivoks> maybe it's related to the problem
[11:30] <garymc> how do I fix that then?
[11:30] <ivoks> in /etc/aliases
[11:30] <ivoks> add root: your_username
[11:31] <ivoks> and then run newaliases
[11:31] <garymc> ok so at command prompt type:
[11:31] <garymc> root : garymc
[11:32] <garymc> newaliases
[11:33] <garymc> none of them commands are working
[11:34] <ivoks> i said:
[11:34] <ivoks> root: garymc
[11:34] <ivoks> it's not a command
[11:34] <ivoks> it's something you type in
[11:34] <ivoks> in /etc/aliases.db
[11:34] <ivoks> in /etc/aliases
[11:34] <garymc> and save
[11:35] <garymc> ok ive added that lin in aliases "root:garymc
[11:35] <ivoks> yes
[11:35] <ivoks> newaliases
[11:35] <ivoks> then run newaliases
[11:36] <garymc> ok done
[11:37] <garymc> so what does that do?
[11:37] <ivoks> it will forward email for root to you
[11:37] <ivoks> do all the computers have that error BOOT FAILURE
[11:37] <ivoks> or just one?
[11:38] <garymc> all of em
[11:38] <ivoks> did they try powering it off and back on (computer, not server)?
[11:38] <garymc> yes
[11:38] <garymc> im gonna get them to do it again
[11:38] <ivoks> hm
[11:39] <ivoks> have you been playing with firewall?
[11:39] <ivoks> on server
[11:39] <garymc> i aint done nothing but upgraded last night
[11:39] <ivoks> ok
[11:40] <ivoks> install tftp-hpa
[11:41] <garymc> apt-get tftp-hpa ?
[11:41] <ivoks> apt-get install tftp-hpa
[11:41] <garymc> doing it
[11:41] <garymc> done
[11:41] <garymc> it said selcecting previously deselected package
[11:45] <garymc> should i get the terminals tested again?
[11:46] <ivoks> no
[11:46] <ivoks> do:
[11:46] <ivoks> tftp localhost
[11:47] <garymc> yes
[11:47] <garymc> im there
[11:47] <ivoks> status
[11:47] <ivoks> does it say Connected to localhost.localdomain
[11:47] <ivoks> ?
[11:48] <garymc> Connected to localhost
[11:48] <ivoks> ok
[11:48] <garymc> Mode: netascii Verbose: off Tracing: off Literal: off
[11:49] <garymc> Rexmt-interval: 5 seconds, Max-timeout: 25 seconds
[11:50] <ivoks> ok, quit
[11:50] <garymc> ok
[11:50] <ivoks> go to /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp
[11:50] <ivoks> is there anything in it?
[11:51] <ivoks> my guess - not
[11:51] <garymc> yes
[11:51] <garymc> there is another folder
[11:52] <garymc> i386
[11:52] <garymc> in there there is pxelinux and aload of files
[11:52] <ivoks> ok
[11:53] <ivoks> mkdir /root/ltsp-backup
[11:53] <garymc> ok
[11:53] <ivoks> mv /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/* /root/lts-backup/
[11:53] <ivoks> sudo ltsp-build-client
[11:54] <garymc> NOTE: Root directory /opt/ltsp/i386 already exists, this will lead to problems,
[11:54] <garymc> please remove it before trying again. Exiting.
[11:54] <garymc> error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
[11:54] <ivoks> mkdir /root/ltsp-backup-opt
[11:54] <ivoks> mv /opt/ltsp/i386 /root/ltsp-backup-opt/
[11:55] <ivoks> sudo ltsp-build-client
[11:56] <garymc> ok its doing something
[11:56] <ivoks> yes, that will take some time
[11:56] <ivoks> it will build new OS for the clients
[11:57] <garymc> ok
[11:57] <garymc> I hope this works
[11:57] <garymc> will my users still be there with there files etc?
[11:58] <ivoks> no clue :)
[11:58] <garymc> :S
[11:58] <ivoks> but you backed up your old config, so...
[11:58] <garymc> ok
[11:58] <garymc> did i.....:S
[11:58] <ivoks> yeah
[11:59] <ivoks> go to /root/ltsp-backup-opt/
[11:59] <ivoks> there should be home subdirectory in it
[11:59] <ivoks> and there should be all the files from your users
[12:00] <ivoks> are they?
[12:00] <garymc> i cant find it
[12:01] <ivoks> well go to /root/ltsp-backup-opt/
[12:01] <ivoks> what do you have there?
[12:01] <ivoks> i386, right?
[12:02] <garymc> i cant find root/ltsp-backup-opt/
[12:02] <ivoks> /root/ltsp-backup-opt/
[12:02] <ivoks> you created it
[12:02] <garymc> shit found them
[12:02] <garymc> whoops sorry for swearing
[12:02] <garymc> yes its there
[12:02] <ivoks> how many users?
[12:03] <garymc> I cant find the users
[12:03] <ivoks> in home
[12:03] <ivoks> how many directories?
[12:04] <ivoks> 10? 100?
[12:04] <ivoks> 1000?
[12:04] <garymc> hold on
[12:04] <ivoks> i have to go soon
[12:04] <garymc> none :S
[12:04] <garymc> no users in home
[12:04] <ivoks> 12:02 < garymc> shit found them
[12:04] <ivoks> did you found them or not?
[12:05] <garymc> ooooh shit, no I found the backup folder
[12:05] <garymc> no users inhome
[12:05] <ivoks> we are talking about backup folder
[12:05] <garymc> yes
[12:05] <garymc> no users in the home part
[12:05] <ivoks> problem is that you don't have a clue about what you are doing
[12:05] <ivoks> go to /root/ltsp-backup-opt/i386/home
[12:06] <ivoks> type in ls
[12:06] <ivoks> are there any directories?
[12:06] <garymc> no. none :(
[12:06] <garymc> no files
[12:06] <garymc> no directories
[12:06] <ivoks> so, what did you find then?
[12:07] <ivoks> when you said you found them
[12:07] <garymc> nothing an empty folder
[12:07] <garymc> I found the backup folder.
[12:07] <garymc> ltsp-backup-opt
[12:07] <ivoks> ok
[12:08] <garymc> its still rebuilding
[12:08] <garymc> i take it its gonna take a while
[12:10] <garymc> this isnt gonna mess up my Apache web server on here is it?
[12:10] <ivoks> no :)
[12:10] <garymc> ok good
[12:11] <ivoks> you have that thin client manager, right?
[12:11] <garymc> what you mean?
[12:11] <ivoks> http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-tcm.html
[12:12] <garymc> ltsp installation completed
[12:13] <ivoks> i don't see where it pulls home from :/
[12:13] <garymc> yes, but I can only acces that when im at the ofice
[12:14] <garymc> AShh all my users are still there
[12:14] <garymc> its in /home
[12:15] <garymc> ok rebuild is done
[12:15] <garymc> should I ge tit tested at office?
[12:15] <ivoks> yes
[12:15] <garymc> will do
[12:16] <ivoks> and stay with them at the phone
[12:16] <ivoks> try to figure out if the machine is actually looking for network booting
[12:17] <garymc> it should be they are set to check network boot first
[12:21] <garymc> disk boot failure still
[12:21] <garymc> should i reboot server?
[12:22] <ivoks> you can try, but that shouldn't solve anything
[12:23] <ivoks> i have to go now
[12:23] <ivoks> good luck with booting your clients
[12:24] <garymc> ok thanks
[12:25] <ivoks> you need to go to the office and see what's really going on
[12:26] <ivoks> booting problems is easy to debug
[12:26] <ivoks> but you have to know where the problem is happening
[12:26] <ivoks> simple line BOOT FAILURE doesn't say much
[13:29] <Dibbler_> can someone tell me if there is a more permenent solution these days when running dhcp3 server on a bridge , from the side of dhcp3
[13:30] <Dibbler_> atm i'm using a post-up pre-down script on br0
[13:30] <Dibbler_> but it doesn't seem the way to go tbh
[13:39] <garymc> ivoks : Im gonna go to office verry soon. ill be back on irc when I get there if your about would be great.
[13:43] <garymc> everyone gone?
[14:01] <databits> "FATAL: introduce_user() loop detected"  can someone help me out with this little issue that I'm having ?
[14:01] <databits> I'm able to get anope connected to my unreal ircd but it is giving me that error.
[14:31] <xperia_> hello to all. i have big problems after the upgrade to maveric with the memcached service sometime this line in php $memcache->set("MyVar", "MyContent", false, 0); stores the value other times it dont store it even the variable dont exist in memcache
[15:19] <david506> Hello,
[15:19] <david506> I have a machine here that does not have "vmx" in the flags portion of cpuinfo. Is it still possible to run kvm even if it's slow, I want to test out kvm before installing it on a proper server.
[15:28] <xperia> hello to all. i am using this script here on a ubuntu maveric server. normaly this script should output the success message but it does not. what is wrong with memcached in ubuntu ? before the upgrade it worked everything well
[15:28] <xperia> http://paste-bin.com/view/raw/6b16c45d
[15:29] <xperia> does this script works okay on your side ?
[15:44] <ivoks> garymc: ok :)
[15:46] <cledu> Is there a single virtual machine image that I can load on my desktop to test out UEC locally? Trying to set it up on a single image so far has been a pain.
[15:46] <garymc> Hi Ivoks
[15:46] <garymc> I managed to fix it by my self :)
[15:47] <garymc> with the help of google
[15:47] <garymc> I changed a setting in a file rebooted server an HEY PRESTO
[15:48] <ivoks> nice
[15:48] <ivoks> finally learning :)
[15:48] <garymc> ivoks : I did this https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/573975
[15:48] <garymc> take a look
[15:49] <ivoks> excellent
[15:49] <ivoks> you found a bug
[15:49] <garymc> I dont knwo did i?
[15:49] <cledu> Anyway -- there's a lot of setup that goes into setting up UEC and it would be really nice to have an easy-to-try virtual appliance available for testing and development.
[15:49] <ivoks> so, you changed /etc/default/tftpd-hpa?
[15:50] <garymc> yes
[15:51] <garymc> was i on the right track
[15:51] <garymc> it was a pot luck go
[15:52] <ivoks> hm...
[15:52] <ivoks> can you paste it on pastebin.ubuntu.com
[15:58] <garymc> paste what?
[15:58] <garymc> ivoks
[15:59] <ivoks> content of /etc/default/tfpd-hpa
[16:00] <garymc> yeah no probs
[16:01] <ivoks> and paste the http link here
[16:01] <garymc> ivoks : http://pastebin.ca/2011217
[16:01] <garymc> I added  --secure
[16:01] <ivoks> without --secure it doesn't work?
[16:03] <garymc> well it didnt
[16:03] <garymc> News back after adding it it worked
[16:03] <ivoks> ok
[16:04] <garymc> Have to see for myself when i goto office in morning
[16:04] <ivoks> i guess ltsp requires secure connection to tftp
[16:04] <ivoks> i'd like to hear reasons for that :)
[16:04] <ivoks> can they log in and use computers?
[16:05] <garymc> there was one person left at office and they could login and use the computer
[16:05] <garymc> after i added secure
[16:06] <ivoks> ok then
[16:06] <ivoks> all files in place?
[16:07] <garymc> yes seem to be
[16:07] <garymc> Ill know for sure in the morning
[16:07] <ivoks> awesome
[16:07] <ivoks> all your problems are gone
[16:07] <ivoks> make sure you maintain that server
[16:07] <ivoks> apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:07] <ivoks> that for updating security fixes
[16:07] <garymc> yes i will
[16:08] <garymc> cheers
[16:26] <xperia> could it be that php in ubuntu maverick is broken for memcache ? anybody here who is able to save values in memcache over php. i am using this test script here on my ubuntu maverick server and it does not work! => http://paste-bin.com/view/raw/ffe58b69
[16:26] <xperia> it should however as it worked before the upgrade
[16:34] <izze> hey all
[16:35] <izze> anyone know how to connect to ubuntu ec2 instance with out the default ubuntu username?
[16:36] <ivoks> xperia: where does it fail?
[16:37] <xperia> ivoks: i have used this howto here https://wincent.com/wiki/testing_memcached_with_telnet to test memcached ovet telnet and it works great in the console. all values are stored like it should be
[16:38] <xperia> if i use however this php script that worked before the upgrade however none of the Values are stored in memcache http://paste-bin.com/view/raw/ffe58b69
[16:38] <ivoks> xperia: so, again, where does it fail? this script prints different errors depending on where it fails
[16:38] <xperia> the line $memcache->set('MyTimeStamp', $timestamp, 0, 0) does not works for some reason in php after the ubuntu upgrade
[16:39] <xperia> i do not get the print("SUCESS3"); line and becouse of this no value is somehow stored after the upgrade. for me it looks like php memcache is broken in maverick
[16:41] <ivoks> SUCESS1<br>PHP Notice:  MemcachePool::delete(): Server 127.0.0.1 (tcp 11211, udp 0) failed with: CLIENT_ERROR bad command line format.  Usage: delete <key> [noreply]
[16:41] <ivoks> this is what i get with this script
[16:42] <ivoks> problem with this script
[16:42] <xperia> ivoks hmm how did you get this additional debug messages. i just get outputed SUCESS1 and Deleted here
[16:42] <ivoks> is that it dies if MyTimeStamp doesn't exist
[16:43] <ivoks> with php-cli
[16:43] <ivoks> when i remove:
[16:43] <ivoks> if($memcache->delete('MyTimeStamp')) print("SUCESS2<br>");
[16:43] <ivoks> i get:
[16:43] <ivoks> SUCESS1<br>Deleted<br>SUCESS31291567348<br>
[16:43] <ivoks> then again:
[16:44] <ivoks> SUCESS1<br>Not Deleted<br>FILETIME = 1291567348SUCESS31291567397<br>
[16:44] <xperia> ivoks woow you are great
[16:44] <xperia> man you solved the problem big compliments but really strange that it does die if you want delete something that do not exist. this was not allways that way
[16:45] <xperia> is this a bug ? i guess yes !
[16:45] <xperia> must be in package php5-memcache
[16:46] <ivoks> don't know
[16:46] <ivoks> i hate php
[16:46] <xperia> this connection breaks to memcache in the php script make sure a lot of scripts non functional i guess
[16:47] <xperia> ivoks really ? woow how do you then programm websites ithout php ?
[16:47] <ivoks> i think logic in this script is bad
[16:47] <ivoks> deleting an object without checking if it exists...
[16:49] <xperia> okay i will fix it here then. ivoks i thank you really for this great help. you are awesome man !
[16:49] <ivoks> maybe [noreply] would help
[16:49] <ivoks> Usage: delete <key> [noreply]
[16:49] <ivoks> i guess it wouldn't fail then
[16:49] <ivoks> np
[16:51] <xperia> ivoks this feature does not exist in the package php5-memcache => http://www.php.net/manual/de/memcache.delete.php
[16:51] <xperia> ehh sorry => http://www.php.net/manual/en/memcache.delete.php
[16:51] <ivoks> my german is rusty
[16:51] <xperia> geoip sorry
[16:52] <xperia> here it show full english even of the geop
[16:52] <xperia> well what we can say that php breaks memcache 100% when you delete something that does not exist
[16:53] <xperia> will just inform the php group about this
[16:53] <ivoks> don't know... but that's where you are
[16:57] <stgraber> ivoks: I'm around now ;)
[16:57] <ivoks> stgraber: too late :D
[16:57] <ivoks> stgraber: we had an issue with ltsp client not booting
[16:58] <ivoks> stgraber: turns out tftpd did do 'secure'
[16:58] <ivoks> stgraber: is there a reason why client would require secured connection? :)
[16:58] <stgraber> tftp and secure in the same sentence always sound a bit weird ;)
[16:58] <ivoks> yeah
[17:01] <ivoks> anyway
[17:02] <ivoks> guy added --secure to tftpd and things worked out
[17:04] <ivoks> it was an update from karmic to lucid
[17:11] <izze> hi anyone have any exp with ubuntu on ec2?
[17:11] <izze> ssh to ubuntu@ec2instance works
[17:12] <izze> but trying ssh newuser@ec2 does not work, even when pointing to the key file. for example:
[18:42] <ermo> Hello folks :)
[18:52] <SpaceBass> hey folks
[18:53] <SpaceBass> I installed kernel sources but can't find the build directroy - any idea where it gets installed?
[19:05] <shauno> SpaceBass: I think the source package just installs a tarball.  try dpkg -L linux-source-(version)
[19:08] <SpaceBass> shauno, thanks
[19:08] <SpaceBass> found the tarball
[19:09] <SpaceBass> the package Im trying to compile still insists the kernel source doesnt exist, even when I give it the explicate path.... think its the package
[19:10] <AndyGraybeal> space bass, as in the fish or the sound?
[19:11] <xperia_> hello to all. i have upgraded my ubuntu server but for some strange reason apache or php are searching now files in the directory /usr/share
[19:13] <xperia_> where is this strange path defined to search my files there
[19:13] <xperia_> as a examle if i call this url here  => http://wificom.ch/javascript/test.js
[19:13] <xperia_> i get this strange apache error
[19:13] <xperia_> [Sun Dec 05 20:05:03 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/javascript/test.js
[19:13] <xperia_> together with the message file can be not found
[19:27] <SpaceBass> AndyGraybeal, bass as in bass, not bass
[19:28] <SpaceBass> xperia_, it sounds like the web root has been changed
[19:28] <SpaceBass> xperia_, whats defined in /etc/apache/config
[19:33] <xperia_> SpaceBass: will just look at it. maybe /etc/hosts was changed too after upgrade
[19:33] <AndyGraybeal> SpaceBass: thanks for clearing that up.
[19:33] <SpaceBass> AndyGraybeal, :D - its bass as in the insturment
[19:33] <AndyGraybeal> :)
[19:34] <AndyGraybeal> i liked the dry british styled humor.
[19:37] <xperia_> SpaceBass: i have nothing with webroot in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf
[19:39] <SpaceBass> xperia_, sorry, its documentroot and its defined in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default
[19:52] <xperia_> SpaceBass: http://paste-bin.com/view/a7f68601
[19:54] <xperia_> it is set right and i am able to call the files in this document root but calling files in sub directory lead allways to the message file could be not find and i get the error message in apache error log
[19:54] <xperia_> [Sun Dec 05 20:05:03 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/javascript/test.js
[19:54] <xperia_> the file http://wificom.ch/javascript/test.js exist however
[19:55] <xperia_> it is heavy strange and i dont know what exactly really the problem is
[20:00] <xperia_> SpaceBass: example => http://wificom.ch/test.html works ! => http://wificom.ch/javascript/test.html does not work
[20:00] <xperia_> File exist however ! => ls -la /var/www/wificom/javascript
[20:00] <xperia_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    81 2010-12-05 20:04 test.html
[20:00] <xperia_> any help for this heavy strange error. before the upgrade everything worked like it should !
[20:01] <xperia_> looks like apache search allways in usr/share when it comes to subdirs
[20:18] <ivoks> you again
[20:19] <xperia> ivoks yeah its me :-) have problems after server upgrade :-)
[20:19] <ivoks> what's up?
[20:19] <dominicdinada> anybody good with WAN here ?
[20:19] <xperia> ivoks: well as said this url => http://wificom.ch/test.html works ! this url however => http://wificom.ch/javascript/test.html does not work
[20:20] <xperia> i get allways the error message [Sun Dec 05 20:05:03 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/javascript/test.js
[20:20] <ivoks> You don't have permission to access /javascript/ on this server.
[20:20] <ivoks> ok
[20:20] <xperia> the file exist however and path is right => ls -la /var/www/wificom/javascript
[20:20] <xperia> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 81 2010-12-05 20:04 test.html
[20:20] <ivoks> is there an .htaccess file in /var/www/wificom/javascript
[20:21] <xperia> i have changed allready permissions but it does not help as apache looks for some strange reason in /usr&share instead of the document root directory  http://paste-bin.com/view/a7f68601
[20:22] <xperia> ivoks: .htaccess file does not exist in /var/www/wificom anywhere
[20:22] <ivoks> there's never a strange reason
[20:23] <ivoks> are you sure it's looking in /usr/share?
[20:23] <ivoks> you pasted a link to ..javascript/test.html
[20:24] <ivoks> and then pasted the error for javascript/test.js
[20:25] <xperia> ivoks: based on the error log it apache2 look to find this files in /usr/share
[20:25] <xperia> [Sun Dec 05 20:05:03 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/javascript/test.js
[20:25] <ivoks> it's test.js
[20:25] <ivoks> but the link is test.html
[20:25] <xperia> well okay test.html exist also but dont load also
[20:25] <ivoks> therefor, i'm sure you have rewrite somewhere, with broken rules
[20:25] <ivoks> do you see test.html in error log?
[20:26] <ivoks> tail your log now
[20:26] <ivoks> i've asked for nonexistingfile.html
[20:26] <ivoks> do you see that in error log?
[20:27] <xperia> ivoks: okay here are the files http://paste-bin.com/view/a271382e
[20:27] <xperia> and here is error log
[20:27] <xperia> [Sun Dec 05 20:04:39 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/javascript/test.html
[20:27] <xperia> [Sun Dec 05 20:05:03 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/javascript/test.js
[20:28] <ivoks> ok
[20:28] <ivoks> how about nonexistingfile.html?
[20:28] <ivoks> http://wificom.ch/javascript/nonexistingfile.html
[20:28] <ivoks> in your logs
[20:28] <xperia> [Sun Dec 05 21:28:26 2010] [error] [client 192.168.1.1] File does not exist: /usr/share/javascript/nonexistingfile.html
[20:28] <xperia> [Sun Dec 05 21:28:29 2010] [error] [client 93.138.88.10] File does not exist: /usr/share/javascript/nonexistingfile.html
[20:29] <ivoks> ok
[20:29] <xperia> last ip is probably yours
[20:29] <ivoks> and there's no /var/www/wificom/.htaccess?
[20:29] <xperia> it drives me crazy this problem most of my ites are broken but they worked without any problems before the upgrade
[20:29] <ivoks> most of your sites?
[20:30] <ivoks> so, not just this one?
[20:30] <ivoks> then go to /etc/apache2
[20:30] <ivoks> and run:
[20:30] <ivoks> grep -sr javascript *
[20:31] <xperia> ivoks: all of my vhost sites on this server have this problem
[20:31] <xperia> ls -la /var/www/wificom/
[20:31] <xperia> drwxr-xr-x  3 root root 4096 2010-12-05 20:57 .
[20:31] <xperia> drwxrwxrwx 26 root root 4096 2010-12-04 18:01 ..
[20:31] <xperia> -rw-r--r--  1 root root    0 2010-08-13 21:03 index.html
[20:31] <xperia> drwxr-xr-x  2 root root 4096 2010-12-05 20:06 javascript
[20:31] <xperia> -rw-r--r--  1 root root   81 2010-12-05 20:57 test.html
[20:31] <xperia> so no .htacces file anywhere
[20:31] <ivoks> if all have problem, then your system wide config is broken
[20:31] <ivoks> go to /etc/apache2
[20:31] <xperia> vhost works but as you try to access subdir nothing is loaded
[20:32] <xperia> ivoks okay i am in /etc/apache2
[20:32] <ivoks> grep -sr javascript *
[20:33] <ermo> I've just finished migrating my home server.  Thing is, I get dropped to an (initramfs) prompt because my software raid-10 partition backing my lvm volume group isn't started automatically.  I simply need to mdadm --assemble my raid partitions and then the boot continues.  Do you folks have an idea of what I could try?
[20:33] <xperia> "/etc/apache2$ sudo grep -sr javascript *"
[20:33] <xperia> conf.d/javascript-common.conf:Alias /javascript /usr/share/javascript/
[20:33] <xperia> conf.d/javascript-common.conf:<Directory "/usr/share/javascript/">
[20:33] <xperia> mods-available/deflate.conf:          AddOutputFilterByType DEFLATE application/x-javascript application/javascript application/ecmascript
[20:33] <ivoks> there you go
[20:33] <ivoks> conf.d/javascript-common.conf:Alias /javascript /usr/share/javascript/
[20:33] <ermo> I'm not entirely sure that my raid metadata is version 0.90 -- I suppose I should check that ...
[20:34] <xperia> ohhhhh man how did that happen !
[20:34] <ivoks> xperia: check
[20:34] <xperia> its crazy such thing
[20:34] <ivoks> xperia: dpkg -S /etc/apache2/conf.d/javascript-common.conf
[20:34] <ermo> I should also mention that my dmesg says that the requisite raid modules are loaded :)
[20:35] <xperia> ivoks: "/etc/apache2$ sudo dpkg -S /etc/apache2/conf.d/javascript-common.conf"
[20:35] <xperia> dpkg: /etc/apache2/conf.d/javascript-common.conf could not be found
[20:36] <xperia> ivoks: file exist however !
[20:36] <xperia> i try it again to recheck
[20:36] <ivoks> xperia: that check is only for packages
[20:37] <ivoks> xperia: it means that no package created that file
[20:38] <ermo> Hrm. I should probably use --update the next time I assemble the arrays.
[20:38] <xperia> hmmm this knoweledge that you have is beyonf my horizont sorry asking such dumb questions as i am new user and learning but what does that mean. it was not cleared after the upgrade and need now to be removed ?
[20:39] <xperia> hmm i really asking me how this files where installed. it must be done by the upgrade process as i have never installed this files
[20:42] <xperia> ivoks: thinks know now what the reason is for this files where installed !
[20:42] <xperia> "/etc/apache2/conf.d$ ls -la"
[20:42] <xperia> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   24 2009-11-01 16:02 gallery -> /etc/gallery/apache.conf
[20:42] <xperia> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root   45 2010-12-04 19:24 javascript-common.conf -> /etc/javascript-common/javascript-common.conf
[20:43] <xperia> its gallery. it was updated and asked me if i want to use the new config files for the new package and it has then installed this link  javascript-common.conf -> /etc/javascript-common/javascript-common.conf
[20:43] <xperia> in apache2/conf.d
[20:44] <xperia> well maybe also not
[20:44] <shauno> http://packages.ubuntu.com/natty/javascript-common
[20:46] <ivoks> well, there you go
[20:46] <ivoks> now you know everything
[20:46] <ivoks> why would anyone package systemwide alias for /javascript is beyond me
[20:46] <shauno> wasn't me :)
[20:47] <xperia> i have just done a "/usr/share/javascript$ ls"and got this here as result
[20:47] <xperia> /mootools$ ls
[20:47] <xperia> mootools-core-jm.js  mootools-core-server.js  mootools.js          mootools-more.js     mootools-more-yc.js
[20:47] <xperia> mootools-core-nc.js  mootools-core-yc.js      mootools-more-jm.js  mootools-more-nc.js
[20:47] <ivoks> mootools
[20:47] <ivoks> i like the name :)
[20:47] <ivoks> footools
[20:47] <ivoks> bartools
[20:47] <ivoks> kidding
[20:47] <xperia> looks like this need files/scripts use this global path
[20:48] <shauno> libjs-mootools appears to recommend javascript-common
[20:48] <ivoks>  Web applications that use JavaScript need to distribute it through HTTP. Using a common path for every script avoids the need to enable this path in the HTTP server for every package.
[20:49] <ivoks> what are these guys smoking?
[20:49] <xperia> all my vhost sites are broken because of this since days after the upgrade ! winning heavy
[20:49] <shauno> it seems that installing webapps from repo is going to end up an all-or-nothing approach
[20:50] <ivoks> yeah
[20:50] <ivoks> stupid
[20:51] <ivoks> Javascript maintainers
[20:51] <ivoks> xperia: so, as an easy way ouy
[20:51] <xperia> cool i am hearing
[20:51] <ivoks> open up /etc/javascript-common/javascript-common.conf
[20:51] <xperia> yes
[20:51] <ivoks> and rename that alias from /javascript to /braindeadpackage
[20:52] <ivoks> and then, in gallery, if you are using it, find /javascript/ paths and replace them with /braindeadpackage/
[20:52] <ivoks> pure existance of this package is a bug
[20:53] <shauno> and next time every domain you host gets clobbered, change them again ;)
[20:53] <xperia> ha ha ha okay will do and then restart the apache server. about gallyer i have installed it but dont know really if it is becouse of gallery or other package was the reason. but i will check it out
[20:53] <ivoks> my rule: never install we apps from archive
[20:54] <ivoks> we, developers, tend to be smarter than we are
[20:54] <ivoks> and then fuck up
[20:54] <ivoks> pardon my language
[20:54] <xperia> good working on fix now:. ivoks you are a awesome person really. such expert people like you should have more in the world:
[20:54] <xperia> shauno thank you also a lot for the help. thinked since hours i am lost becouse of this strange problem
[20:55] <ivoks> thanks
[20:55] <ivoks> i'm going out for a smoke now
[20:56] <xperia> ivoks: have nice pause and time
[20:56] <ruben23>  hi guys i install dnsmasq but the problem is when i used the linux box as dns aside for gateway- PC will timeout and wont connect to internet if i make it dhcp it will connect.
[21:00] <shauno> that's a little unnerving.  the only packages I can find (on .04) that depend on libjs-mootools are myphpadmin and midori.
[21:01] <shauno> midori's a gtk-webkit browser.  why's it pulling in packages that'd alter your apache config?
[21:01] <xperia> shauno: well while the upgrade myphpadmin was updated and i was asked if i want to install the new config files. based on your research i would say it is becouse of phpmyadmin then with a possibility of 80%
[21:02] <xperia> i will just restart the webserver and test if phpmyadmin still works
[21:03] <shauno> xperia: most likely myphpadmin, yes.  not many people install gui webbrowsers on -server ;)
[21:03] <xperia> ruben23: i itself use bind9 and dont use dnsmasq. resolves everything on bind9 here  =>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BIND9ServerHowto recomend using also bind9 instead of dnsmasq
[21:19] <xperia> ivoks: shauno:my sites works now great. so the fix recomended by ivoks worked great. all my sites now are running the way like before. checking now phpmyadmin how it works.
[21:19] <xperia> shauno: well everytime i install something it is recomended to install it from the repo. all external packages are a security treat. i never thinked that webapplication would make anyproblems and till yet did also not had any problem.
[21:20] <ivoks> idea is to create common packages, that all web apps could use
[21:20] <ivoks> mixing non-archive with archive web apps then results in this kind of problems
[21:20] <ivoks> fwiw, webmails are much smarter
[21:21] <ivoks> they create /webmail or /roundcube aliases
[21:21] <ivoks> but leave it disabled by default
[21:21] <ivoks> so you have to enable it; therefor, you are aware of that alias
[21:21] <ivoks> this, with /javascipt is just nonsense
[21:28] <xperia> ivoks: tested now also phpmyadmin and it works still same. so the change in the alias does not affect really a lot phpmyadmin. looks like this mootools is not really used a lot here.
[21:28] <aarcane> can I use apparmor to allow users to run programs with elevated permissions ?  (similar to pfexec or sudo)
[21:29] <ivoks> aarcane: afaik, apparmor is for restricting
[21:31] <aarcane> ivoks, I know it's primary use case is restricting, but it'd be nice if it could simplify the use of certain semi-administrative apps (let certain users use certain apps in elevated mode automatically)
[21:32]  * ivoks shrugs
[21:33]  * ivoks 4
[21:33] <ivoks> ups
[21:35] <aarcane> oh well.
[21:36]  * aarcane off to do some programming school work~
[21:36] <aarcane> thanks ivoks.
[21:54] <xperia> see you all next time need to write at my websites. have all nice time. bye
[22:05] <aristo> hi, does anyone knows a way to setup a mailserver with a dinamic ip using bind9 as dns?
[22:25] <qman__> aristo, in order for a mail server to work reliably it needs a static IP
[22:26] <qman__> DNS can take up to 48 hours to propogate, and during that time you won't get any mail
[22:27] <aristo> qman__ i'm aware of that, the problem is that currently our isp is not able to give static ip
[22:28] <aristo> i tried with DynDns and others services but i cannot receive any incoming mail from  outside
[22:28] <qman__> ok, but installing bind on your server won't really help in this case, unless you already host your own internet DNS
[22:28] <qman__> is your ISP also blocking port 25?
[22:29] <qman__> most residential ones do
[22:29] <aristo> lemme verify that
[22:30] <qman__> also, most spam filters will block you
[22:30] <qman__> static IP is basically a requirement to get taken off their lists
[22:34] <aristo> nmap online shows only 22, 80 and 110 ports opened
[22:40] <fluvvell> aristo, do you have a choice of isp ?
[22:41] <aristo> well basically not
[22:41] <fluvvell> does basically not mean cost to high?
[22:48] <aristo> means that here are only 3 mayor isp
[22:49] <aristo> all 3 sucks
[22:54] <JanC> eh, there must be access providers that sell internet access to companies, right?
[22:54] <fluvvell> and none of them have fixed ip addresses available?
[23:33] <electrofreak> I have a concern... I started out with 3 2TB Samsung drives in RAID-5... each drive has 4x500GB platters. I just bought another of what I thought was the same drive... but I discovered after receiving it in the mail that is is actually a new model... with 3x666GB platters. What are the implications of adding it to my RAID5?
[23:35] <electrofreak> do adaptec RAID cards care? I have a 5405
[23:40] <cokegen> electrofreak: I think none
[23:41] <electrofreak> cokegen, can it affect performance?
[23:41] <c0nv1ct> i wouldnt think it could decrease it, since the 3x666GB would be faster...  i'd guess that the array would be limited by the slower drives you already have
[23:43] <c0nv1ct> and by "faster" i dont really mean by that much ;)
[23:44] <electrofreak> c0nv1ct, yea... performance wise, there isn't that much difference... but yes, the newer model is apparently faster
[23:44] <qman__> electrofreak, the physical construct of the drive is completely invisible to the rest of your hardware
[23:44] <qman__> it's handled entirely in the disk's own controller
[23:45] <cokegen> qman__ is right
[23:45] <cokegen> there are no problems but the "speed" thing
[23:47] <qman__> right
[23:48] <cokegen> I just removed the quiet and splash part of my grub entry
[23:48] <qman__> your RAID will only perform as well as the slowest, smallest drive you have
[23:48] <cokegen> I'm trying to get console output at bootup
[23:48] <qman__> and having a wide variation in performance can cause spikes and such
[23:48] <qman__> but just one newer model shouldn't be a problem
[23:48] <cokegen> but that didn't worked ... anyone knows how ?
[23:49] <qman__> cokegen, that's because of upstart
[23:49] <qman__> or rather, plymouth
[23:49] <qman__> in order to get console output at boot you have to modify the plymouth upstart scripts
[23:50] <cokegen> qman__ thx
[23:50] <cokegen> I come from old linuxes
[23:50] <qman__> I really hate it too
[23:51] <qman__> here's what I did
[23:51] <qman__> in /etc/init/plymouth-splash.conf, comment the exec line at the bottom
[23:51] <qman__> exec /bin/plymouth show-splash
[23:51] <electrofreak> cokegen, qman__, I just thought there might be some timing thing that can throw the RAID controller off...
[23:52] <qman__> and the same line in /etc/init/plymouth.conf, near the bottom
[23:52] <qman__> I think that's all I had to do
[23:52] <electrofreak> qman__, ooo, I hate that splash screen... but that plymouth thing is 10.10, right? I'm running server 10.04
[23:53] <qman__> no
[23:53] <qman__> it's actually new as of 9.10 IIRC
[23:53] <qman__> and it's in 10.04
[23:53] <electrofreak> oh, so disabling it would be the same...
[23:53] <qman__> it really should be configurable
[23:53] <qman__> removing quiet splash really should disable it
[23:53] <qman__> but it doesn't, you have to go modify those files
[23:55] <electrofreak> qman__, just comment out this whole post-start script block, right? (in /etc/init/plymouth.conf)
[23:56] <qman__> no, just the exec line
[23:56] <qman__> I mean, you could
[23:56] <qman__> I just did the one line
[23:56] <electrofreak> qman__, well, the whole if statement is just for that 1 line, heh. I figured it'd be fine to just comment out the whole block.
[23:59] <qman__> and really, the whole plymouth-splash.conf could be commented/removed/disabled
[23:59] <qman__> but I don't know of a way to disable things in upstart