[00:02] <AlanBell> popey: the curry was great, but seems to have had an adverse affect on my legs
[10:00] <AlanBell> morning all
[10:01] <Jibadeeha> time to try lincity-ng - hope it is as good as simcity
[10:18] <nperry> Morning All.
[10:20] <issyl0> Morning :)
[10:28]  * nigelb waves to issyl0 
[10:28] <issyl0> nigelb: !!
[10:29] <nigelb> heh
[10:30] <nigelb> issyl0: Enjoying college and the snow? :)
[10:31] <bigcalm> Greetings, Earthlings
[10:31] <issyl0> nigelb: haha :)
[10:31] <issyl0> nigelb: it'll be open tomorrow :(
[10:32] <nigelb> issyl0: heh
[10:33] <issyl0> nigelb: I bet it's still very warm over there?
[10:33] <nigelb> issyl0: Oh yes.  I'm in Kerala (my hometown), its probably cloes to 30s
[10:34] <issyl0> Wow. Can I come and visit? :P
[10:34]  * issyl0 prefers heat to cold.
[10:34] <nigelb> heh, anytime :p
[10:36] <gord> i have networking issues but its a sunday and i'm too lazy to fix them =\
[10:36] <nigelb> hah, understandable
[10:38] <nigelb> Anyone tried out node.js?
[10:40] <nigelb> hello dogmatic69 :)
[10:41] <dogmatic69> sup
[10:41] <dogmatic69> you following me around now :P
[10:45] <nigelb> no way, I was just here saying hi to folks :0
[10:45] <dogmatic69> the snow is all gone now :(
[10:45] <nigelb> Don't let everyone hear you and whack you on the head :p
[12:05] <brobostigon> afternoonings all.
[12:20] <BigRedS> g'morning brobostigon
[12:20] <brobostigon> hi BigRedS
[12:21] <BigRedS> Heloo! How're you?
[12:22] <brobostigon> BigRedS: my back and hip hurt, how about you?
[12:23] <BigRedS> mild headache from last night's drinking, but other than that pretty good. Pleasantly surprised to see no snow today, too ;0
[12:23] <BigRedS> :), even
[12:23] <brobostigon> :)
[12:23]  * BigRedS needs to fix his shift key
[12:24] <BigRedS> I've been in London for the week and need to get back up to cambridgeshire today, wasn't looking forward to the prospect of riding up in the snow
[12:24] <brobostigon> no snow either here, but cool temperatures forecast and cloud and mist.
[12:24] <brobostigon> -1 to +1, roughly.
[12:25] <BigRedS> ah, I think it's 1+ all the way from here to cambs, which is nice
[12:29] <brobostigon> :)
[14:10] <andylockran> Guys - about to buy a new IP phone - any recommendations ?
[14:10] <andylockran> sub £100
[14:13] <marsilainen> andylockran: out of the phones that I tried a few years ago, I was most happy with the snom phones
[14:14] <marsilainen> andylockran: of course, things may have changed since then - but I'd definitely give them consideration at least
[14:14] <marsilainen> andylockran: I was mainly using them with asterisk
[14:18] <andylockran> yeah, that's what I use with
[14:19] <marsilainen> I found that the snom phones were very configurable, and had lots of info available
[14:20] <marsilainen> so was able to get them to do what I wanted easily - well as easy as anything in the VoIP world is
[14:33] <andylockran> ta marsilainen
[14:36] <marsilainen> np
[15:51] <dogmatic69> had something wierd happen last night, first noticed i could not empty the "recycle bin" and then later on noticed log out was dissabled
[15:51] <dogmatic69> anyone know what would cause that?
[15:55]  * jacobw downloads 11.04 Alpha 1
[16:05] <andylockran> dogmatic69: no idea matey, sorry
[16:06] <dogmatic69> its all fine after a restart
[16:06] <dogmatic69> just wierd
[16:06] <Richie> It's time of the month?
[16:07] <oly> anyone able to tell me how you middle click with a touchpad ?
[16:07] <andylockran> oly: two keys at the same time
[16:07] <andylockran> keys/buttons
[16:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69: Out of interest was it missing anything else, e.g. your normal settings for the window manager setup or anything else?
[16:07] <oly> did try that did not seem to work
[16:07] <dogmatic69> penguin42: that was all i noticed
[16:08] <oly> ah your quite right andylockran
[16:08] <oly> it obviously the app not supporting it, thats annoying
[16:08] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I've had a few things latetly where I've logged in and it has missed most config; e.g. number of virutal desktops, position of menus etc  - logging in and out fixed it
[16:08] <dogmatic69> oh ok
[16:10] <dogmatic69_> .
[16:11] <dogmatic69> ff... pos
[16:33] <ali1234> wow... unity is awful
[16:35] <ali1234> you can only open one nautilus window, one firefox window etc
[16:36] <ali1234> actually if you want to open anything other than nautilus, firefox or tomboy you are pretty much screwed, because there is no longer a start menu
[16:37] <ali1234> there is a workspace switcher with 4 workspaces, although i can't see how you would ever be able to use more than three of them
[16:38] <Laney> i thought you clicked the top icon or something?
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> ali1234, it is work in progress, the dash hasn't landed yet
[16:38] <Laney> (never used it)
[16:38] <ali1234> Laney: the top icon just does "nautilus /usr/share/applications"
[16:38] <chrisccoulson> yes, that's only temporary until the dash lands
[16:39] <ali1234> the menu mover doesn't work in firefox either
[16:39] <chrisccoulson> huh?
[16:39] <ali1234> the firefox menu is in the normal place
[16:40] <ali1234> not at the top of the screen like all others
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> right
[16:40] <chrisccoulson> that's actually what i'[m working on right now ;)
[16:40] <ali1234> i might consider using this on a tablet
[16:41] <ali1234> but it is completely unsuitable for use on a real computer
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> hmm, perhaps you should make that judgement when all the bits of it actually appear
[16:41] <chrisccoulson> people seem to be quick to criticise something that is nowhere near complete
[16:43] <Nafallo> alpha1 != final
[16:43] <ali1234> so i'm not allowed to comment on this until it is too late to do anything about it?
[16:44] <chrisccoulson> ali1234, it's fine to comment, but you're basing your negative judgement on things which aren't even implemented yet
[16:44] <ali1234> wow, i can;t even move dialogue windows
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> what dialog windows?
[16:46] <chrisccoulson> works fine here
[16:46] <ali1234> for example, the dialogue window that asks you to enter a password when you create a new gnome keyribng
[16:49] <chrisccoulson> that works fine here, so it must be a bug
[16:50] <ali1234> heh, i found out how to open two firefox windows
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> file -> New window?
[16:50] <ali1234> you have to click the icon twice before firefox actually loads up, then you can have two
[16:50] <chrisccoulson> oh, that shouldn't happen ;)
[16:51] <ali1234> now it won't load at all
[16:51] <ali1234> no more firefox windows for me
[16:53] <ali1234> if you start a file manager from a desktop icon it doesn't stack properly with the others
[16:56] <ali1234> firefox 4 seems nice and fast
[16:56] <ali1234> compared with 3 anyway
[17:02] <ali1234> i note that the unity panels don't follow the system theme like the gnome ones do
[17:02] <ali1234> i hope that gets fixed
[17:11] <ali1234> wow... the way the unity dock thing responds when it gets full is simply the worst thing i have ever seen on a UI
[17:14] <ali1234> you can't unmaximise a single window
[17:15] <ali1234> clicking the dock unmaximises all windows of that type... awful
[17:25] <sprite> why has realtek wifi suddenly become such a burden with lucid?
[17:27] <MartijnVdS> because realtek never wrote drivers?
[17:29] <moreati> sprite: Wasn't it always a burden?
[17:30] <sprite> perhaps. I didn't really have so many issues with hardy
[17:30] <sprite> more laptop manufacturers are moving towards realtek now tho :S
[17:31] <Nafallo> realtek does wifi now?
[17:31] <jacobw> i was thinking realtek audio '97 when realtek was mentioned
[17:32] <Nafallo> I've always classed ralink as the realtek of wireless, so I might have to change that now :-P
[17:33] <moreati> jacobw: That's probably how their chips were started - hooked up an AC97 DAC to a 2.4 Ghz antenna
[17:33] <sprite> yes they do. it saves money on the manufacturing process
[17:48] <Azelphur> you know things are bad when you have a 80,000 and counting backtrace
[18:00] <suprengr> buhga!  -5 forecast for 2morro morning... anyone fancying covering for me...?
[18:00] <suprengr> [ & hi all o/ ]
[18:02]  * jacobw also checks the weather forecast
[18:03] <jacobw> similar, -7 at 06:00 warming up to -5 at 09:00 :(
[18:05] <suprengr> jacobw:  ok you win the competition - my -5 was based on 07:00 forecast
[18:07] <sprite> finally... nothing like recompiling shit with a 300mhz processor lol
[18:09] <suprengr> sprite: recompiling sh*t?  you can't change sh*T - surely u just flush down that where it belongs!
[18:10] <sprite> hahahaha
[18:10] <Azelphur> that backtrace finished, 127k entries (358k lines) \o/
[18:10] <Azelphur> I think I win the record for the longest backtrace :D
[18:10] <sprite> screenshot
[18:10] <Azelphur> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/misc/gdb-Xorg.txt.tar.gz better :p
[18:10] <Azelphur> the whole backtrace gzip'd xD
[18:11] <Azelphur> anyone smart feel free to figure out what's broken with that, X keeps crashing because of it.
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> Azelphur: which driver?
[18:16] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: nvidia
[18:16] <dutchie> right, time to fix this laptop
[18:16] <Azelphur> 185
[18:16] <MartijnVdS> send the trace to nvidia
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> nobody else can helpt
[18:17] <MartijnVdS> -t
[18:17] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: but the bt has nothing to do with nvidia, it's all in Xorg, specifically libarecord
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> it could be triggered by nvidia
[18:18] <MartijnVdS> because its driver pokes in some place it shouldn't
[18:19] <MartijnVdS> that's the problem with closed drivers, you don't know what they do (wrong)
[18:20] <Azelphur> MartijnVdS: before jumping to that conclusion I'll have an X person look over it, since it's X that's crashing :)
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> I know what kernel people say if you say 'nvidia' ;)
[18:21] <Azelphur> haha
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> "But the USB driver crashed" "Sure, but you had the nvidia module loaded."
[18:21] <Azelphur> xD
[18:37] <beerpages> Kostenlose mini Homepages für Umfragen, Videos und vielem mehr auf www.beerpages.de - Beispiel: http://www.beerpages.de/view/1P/Magst%20du%20%C3%84pfel%3F
[18:44] <dogmatic69> anyone know what the highest number a process id can be?
[18:44] <dogmatic69> 9999 or bigger?
[18:45] <Azelphur> dogmatic69: probably 65535
[18:45] <Azelphur> highest I have right now is 32761
[18:46] <dogmatic69> 2463 is mine
[18:48] <penguin42> dogmatic69: The contents of /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max
[18:49] <dogmatic69> ok
[18:49] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I suspect you can turn that up quite large but I don't know
[18:49] <dogmatic69> 32768
[18:49] <dogmatic69> well im writing it to a db, so just checking the field type
[18:50] <penguin42> dogmatic69: That's the setting on this machine
[18:50] <dogmatic69> ill just make it med-int then, that is 16777215
[18:50] <penguin42> dogmatic69: But hey, if you're running on a BIG machine it'll probably have more
[18:50] <dogmatic69> ye, 16mil should be fine?
[18:51] <penguin42> I doubt it for a big one
[18:51] <penguin42> oh, current limit is apparently 2^22 - so 4Million, so yes it should fix
[18:51] <dogmatic69> its an open source app im building, doubt anyone will be using it on facebook scale :P
[18:52] <dogmatic69> k
[18:52] <dogmatic69> cool, thanks
[18:52] <dutchie> dogmatic69: just make it configurable, then no-one will care :)
[18:53] <popey> evening all
[18:53] <suprengr> o/
[19:03] <moreati> dogmatic69: How many times are you storing a pid? i.e if it's a million and you make the field 64-bit then that's still only 4 MB extra vs 32 bit, and you don't have to worry about upgrading later
[19:04] <dogmatic69> moreati: there is a cron running every ~1min -> 5min
[19:04] <dogmatic69> its to make sure the last one is not running
[19:05] <dogmatic69> *but* also tracking server load to email admins if there is anything funny etc
[19:06] <dogmatic69> so the table should not be truncated to often as it can be used to see trends, eg server load increasing slowly showing signs of needing more/other server etc
[19:07] <moreati> dogmatic69: I don't see how any of that affects what I said. Store the PID as 64-bit. The storage cost is negligable, and you won't ever have to worry about upgrading the schema format for that field.
[19:08] <moreati> Because 2**64 processes should be enough for anyone
[19:09] <dogmatic69> that is a load of processes
[19:10] <jacobw> should be enough for anyone ;)
[19:11] <dogmatic69> even something like google would not get there because there is 2*64 servers doing the work
[19:11] <moreati> I'm glad it was recorded for posterity, and I hope I'm still around when it turns out I was wrong
[19:11] <dogmatic69> lol
[19:11] <dogmatic69> did bill gates not say 256kb of ram will be enough
[19:12] <dogmatic69> something like that
[19:12] <moreati> he's alledged to have said 640 kB should be enough for anyone
[19:12] <dogmatic69> yes, that is it
[19:12] <dogmatic69> pfsh, till vista came out
[19:12] <dogmatic69> 640 TB maybe
[19:12] <exobuzz> plenty of my machines have only 64kb of ram. many less ;-)
[19:13] <dogmatic69> o.o
[19:13] <dogmatic69> a digital watch does not count as a "machine"
[19:13] <moreati> exobuzz: washing machines don't run MS-DOS
[19:13] <dogmatic69> ;)
[19:14] <exobuzz> these are much more fun than washing machines
[19:14] <dogmatic69> moreati: if they did, we would all be in dirty clothes
[19:14] <suprengr> but they may use dom-s-dos
[19:14] <MartijnVdS> ...
[19:14] <moreati> suprengr: go to your room, that was awful :)
[19:15] <suprengr> sorryu ;)
[19:15] <exobuzz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFdjWSaDlIo
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_d-gs0WoUw
[19:16] <exobuzz> also for our humble speccy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1o_Tr8jq3I
[19:17] <exobuzz> MartijnVdS, impressive!
[19:17] <Phineas> i am back at this late hour
[19:18] <zleap> hi
[19:18]  * zleap is installing lubuntu
[19:19] <Phineas> lubuntu?
[19:19] <jacobw> !lubuntu
[19:20] <jacobw> zleap, its really good :)
[19:20] <exobuzz> apart from the name :)
[19:20] <zleap> it looks it so far
[19:20] <zleap> i just need something simple to run a presentation / picture slideshow at the rugby club
[19:21] <Phineas> zleap,  powerpoint
[19:21] <zleap> ok Limux
[19:21] <Phineas> zleap,  i mean openoffice prestintation
[19:21] <zleap> yah
[19:21] <zleap> hence i said presentation why give free advertising to MS
[19:23] <jacobw> OO.o Impress
[19:23] <jacobw> er..
[19:23] <zleap> yes
[19:23] <jacobw> KPresent?
[19:23] <zleap> probably kpresent but lubuntu uses xfde
[19:23] <zleap> so kpresent is probably a better option lighter
[19:24] <zleap> i could however be a bit more adventureous
[19:24] <zleap> and use a basic website for people to see what is going on, so its more of a info terminal
[19:25] <jacobw> do you mean use a HTML document as a presentation?
[19:25] <jpds> !latex
[19:26] <zleap> not sure,  i can use latex a little (well lyx)
[19:26] <zleap> if I use beamer that produces presentations
[19:26] <jpds> LaTeX has a beamer class... you know it.
[19:27] <zleap> jacobw, well i can either use a presentation or if using html its ends up more of a mini webpage people can navigate through
[19:27] <zleap> jpds, not that well
[19:27] <zleap> but i can figure it out i am sure
[19:28] <zleap> i guess i can use a simple program like f-spot to run a slideshow of photos
[19:29] <MartijnVdS> zleap: eye of gnome can do slideshows
[19:29] <zleap> ok
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> that's the standard image viewer that opens when you click a photo in the file browser
[19:30] <zleap> i will see which is better on low memory
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> eog is a VERY tiny program
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> compared to f-spot
[19:30] <jacobw> yeah
[19:30] <jacobw> well, it doesn't need mono for starters
[19:30] <MartijnVdS> also, it's just an image viewer and not a database management app :)
[19:30] <zleap> i guess i can also create a page of text as a picture so it displays information as part of the slideshow, so photo, photo,  document with information e.g events
[19:30] <zleap> then more photos
[19:31] <zleap> well as long as putting eye of gnome on the system does not also include lots of other gnome stuff, i am ok
[19:31] <zleap> got 6gb disk space
[19:31] <zleap> out of 20 for system, the rest is /home, (well nearly) got 800 for swap
[19:34] <popey> http://www.slideshare.net/GlobalGossip/you-suck-at-powerpoint is good zleap :)
[19:35] <Phineas> popey,  i think i raced you on mario kart the other day
[19:36] <jacobw> I hate watching presentations in the workplace
[19:36] <jacobw> Especially the people who write 3 bullet points on each slide with a picture and then proceed to read each of three bullet point out in a monotonous drone
[19:36] <Phineas> popey,  at least i thought it was you?
[19:36] <popey> Phineas: you did not
[19:37] <Phineas> popey,  must have had the same nick as you then *shrug*
[19:37] <fubless> where might i find ubuntu swedish channel ?
[19:38] <popey> !se
[19:38] <fubless> danke
[19:38] <zleap> popey, thanks
[19:39] <zleap> well if i simply put in a slideshow of images on to a program more suited for displaying images one after the other,  it may work better
[19:40] <zleap> its not someting people are going to sit through,  its simply something to look at, in the room,
[19:41] <exobuzz> scala used to be quite good for presentations.. you might need to dig out your old amiga though
[19:42] <zleap> hmm i have a zx spectrum
[19:42] <zleap> :D
[19:42] <zleap> hardly suitable for this
[19:42] <exobuzz> you could use that. infact i think that would be excellent and a great talking point
[19:42] <zleap> lol
[19:43] <zleap> yeah load each image of tape at a very very low resolution,  i wonder whjat a spectrum would make of a 640x480 image
[19:43] <exobuzz> zx spectrum can do photo realism.. well. good enough anyway. i mean just look at sam fox strip poker.. satisfied many 14 year olds :-)
[19:43] <zleap> lol
[19:44] <zleap> ah no wonder it got an 18 rating. :D
[19:44] <daubers> Evening
[19:45] <zleap> exobuzz, good point actually,  look at some ascii art and it looks pretty good
[19:45] <Phineas> my first video project will hopefully export and play as a dv video and will be a sucsess
[19:46] <zleap> i will also fire upa  speccy emulator and have a look at the game :D,  mind you i  suck at poker sometimes
[19:47] <exobuzz> zleap, http://artcity.bitfellas.org/gallery/p/pheel/stellar-contour.png is a speccy picture. not though eh :-)
[19:47] <zleap> yay cool
[19:47] <exobuzz> i meant not bad though. actually is very good. considering the hardware
[19:48] <zleap> i remember having a 16 way scrolling message program once,  on tape,  pretty impressive in machine code
[19:48] <exobuzz> aah. the good old days
[19:48] <zleap> aka assembler
[19:48] <zleap> yes
[19:48] <exobuzz> zleap, on speccy or ?
[19:48] <zleap> on  a speccy it came  on one of the your sinclair tapes,
[19:48] <exobuzz> zleap, crash, sinclair user or your sinclair reader ?
[19:48] <zleap> more of a demo
[19:48] <exobuzz> aah. your sinclair
[19:49] <zleap> anyone remember the may 88 issue,
[19:49] <exobuzz> i got a couple of game hacks published in your sinclair. was a nice feeling
[19:49] <Phineas> i had a tape with a game on it the other day, how do i play this game?
[19:49] <zleap> i have the whole how to hack series
[19:49] <exobuzz> http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/magazine/speccy/yspp.jpg and http://malus.exotica.org.uk/~buzz/magazine/speccy/yspp2.jpg - im buzz
[19:49] <zleap> somewhere
[19:50] <exobuzz> Phineas, what game? :)
[19:50] <exobuzz> how to hack was great
[19:50] <zleap> yay
[19:50] <zleap> kids today are missing out on so much having windows,
[19:50] <Phineas> exobuzz,  forgotten which one but it cam on a tape
[19:51] <zleap> so you remember advanced lawnmower simulator
[19:51] <exobuzz> Phineas, hmm. that narrows it down to about 5000 games
[19:51] <exobuzz> yeh of course! funny stuff
[19:51] <zleap> i think some of the editors still work for future publishing
[19:51] <exobuzz> zleap, compo winner for crap game compo wasnt it ?
[19:52] <zleap> yeah but it was written by one of the team
[19:52] <exobuzz> funnily enough. jeff minters lawn mowing game is quite good
[19:52] <zleap> but it spawned more clones
[19:52] <exobuzz> hover bover
[19:52] <zleap> the patio sprintette is working well, and you earn a corned beef sandwich for doing a good job
[19:52] <exobuzz> :)
[19:52]  * popey used to read comp.sys.sinclair quite a bit back in the day when he had a cix account
[19:53]  * zleap has a speccy clasix 98 cdrom, lots of games
[19:53] <exobuzz> popey, cix.. heh.. the good old expensive online days :)
[19:53] <popey> :)
[19:53] <exobuzz> popey, do you still read it ?
[19:53] <popey> rarely
[19:53] <popey> dip in now and then
[19:53] <exobuzz> popey, nice to know you are a spec-chum also :)
[19:54] <zleap> i made 1 poke oncem it sort of worked for a game called diusty droid and the garbage gobblers, i loaded in the machine code and went through the whole thing and searched for 03 (lives) until one gave me more lives
[19:54] <exobuzz> and still new commercial games for the speccy (and free ones)
[19:54] <exobuzz> amazing :)
[19:54] <exobuzz> its like 2010 going on 1985.. just how i like it
[19:54] <zleap> where u get those from, i know people are making em
[19:55] <exobuzz> world of spectrum indexes them. and you can search by year etc
[19:55] <zleap> ah
[19:55] <zleap> cool
[19:55] <popey> :)
[19:55] <zleap> remember worms the install had a pic of a spectrum tape
[19:55] <exobuzz> http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseekadv.cgi?what=1&regexp=&yrorder=1&year=2010&type=game&players=0&turns=0&memory=0&language=0&country=0&licence=0&feature=0&publi=0&release=0&format=0&scheme=0&scorder=1&score=0&have=1&also=1&sort=1&display=1&loadpics=0
[19:55] <Phineas> exobuzz,  ahh it was a game of space invaders (or look alike
[19:55] <popey> I captured Rebelstar Raiders for the tzx archive
[19:55] <exobuzz> 2010 games
[19:55] <zleap> think it was worms,  was lemmings released on the spectrum too
[19:56] <exobuzz> popey, nice one! julian gollop ?
[19:56] <zleap> i have rebelstar 2 i managed to compelete
[19:56] <exobuzz> love that stuff
[19:56] <zleap> ah julian creator of chaos : battle of wizards i loved that one
[19:56] <exobuzz> lemmings was on the speccy
[19:56] <zleap> thought so
[19:56] <exobuzz> to everyones amazement. wasnt too bad actually
[19:56] <exobuzz> chaos rocks
[19:56] <zleap> yeah
[19:56] <popey> exobuzz: yeah
[19:56] <exobuzz> i still play it with a local friend sometimes
[19:56] <zleap> that would be cool as a multi player lan game
[19:56] <popey> loved his games
[19:57] <exobuzz> there is a online version too.. in flash or html5 or something
[19:57] <suprengr> proudest boast... I'm running Lemmings on Ubuntu ;)
[19:57] <zleap> here goes, restarting lubuntu
[19:57] <zleap> cool
[19:57] <exobuzz> suprengr, which version. pc under dosbox or ?
[19:57] <zleap> i have it on a single floppy disk
[19:57] <popey> i played rebelstar 2 player with a mate of mine over email. we'd take a turn then email the 48K snapshot to eachother :)
[19:57] <suprengr> dosbox
[19:57] <exobuzz> lemmings on the st was great, because for 2 player only one mouse could be used. so player 2 always certainly lost
[19:57] <exobuzz> joystick lemmings is well hard
[19:58] <zleap> i once managed to nearly load 1 game in to two spectrums at the same time, only 1 crashed
[19:58] <exobuzz> popey, now that is SERIOUSLY hardcore. i cant even come close to anything quite as erm.. dedicated as that :D
[19:58] <popey> its fun
[19:58] <popey> easy to do too
[19:58] <popey> most emulators have a "save snapshot" feature
[19:59] <Phineas> exobuzz,  the game was space invaders (came on a tape) how do i get this to play?
[19:59] <exobuzz> yeh.. actually i just reread. i read "by mail"
[19:59] <exobuzz> not email.
[19:59] <exobuzz> hehe
[19:59] <zleap> or you could simply use the ubuntu screen capture thing
[19:59] <popey> haha
[19:59] <suprengr> zleap:...I once managed to nearly drive 2 cars at he same time... only 1 crashed
[19:59] <exobuzz> Phineas, for spectrum ?
[19:59] <exobuzz> Phineas, connect ear phones.. load "" (load is on j)
[19:59] <exobuzz> on emulator.. choose insert tape and do something similar
[20:00] <Phineas> exobuzz,  err i don't know what its for but i found it allong with a tape drive
[20:00] <exobuzz> http://www.worldofspectrum.org/infoseek.cgi?regexp=^Horace+in+the+Mystic+Woods$&pub=^Bob+Smith+[1]$
[20:01] <exobuzz> looks like a great game ftp://ftp.worldofspectrum.org/pub/sinclair/games-maps/h/HoraceInTheMysticWoods.png
[20:02] <zleap> where are my menu options on lubuntu, i click the button all i get is logout and run
[20:02] <exobuzz> Phineas, hehe. you can listen and tell what it is for maybe :)
[20:03] <Phineas> exobuzz,  well tape players make a bunch of beeping and booping (data noise) so i think its a pc game
[20:03] <popey> unlikely
[20:03] <exobuzz> does it start. boooop. bep.. booooo bibibibibibibibibibibibibi
[20:03] <exobuzz> or..
[20:03] <exobuzz> booooo. brabrabrabrabrabraba
[20:04] <exobuzz> 2st is spectrum .second is bbc or maybe c64.
[20:04] <exobuzz> :)
[20:04] <exobuzz> 1st
[20:04] <popey> lol
[20:04] <Phineas> exobuzz,  thats what i get when i play it through a ordenery audeo tpe player
[20:05] <exobuzz> which one? :)
[20:05] <exobuzz> sample it and upload it somewhere
[20:08] <exobuzz> popey, did you see this "realtime" tape loading demo for the speccy ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ01EDhL0VM
[20:08] <Phineas> exobuzz,  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkSb9upLpXM
[20:08] <exobuzz> Phineas, yeh some real turbo loading there.
[20:09] <Neil3> ah i remember doing that on a c64
[20:09] <Phineas> exobuzz,  thats all i get (wern't playing through the computer just through the mp3 on loudspeaker
[20:10] <Neil3> half the time the games wouldn't work as well but you had to wait forever to find out
[20:10] <exobuzz> Neil3, could the c64 dma from the tape ?
[20:10] <Neil3> direct memory access?
[20:10] <exobuzz> Neil3, or did you have to do it by interrupt type stuff
[20:10] <exobuzz> yeh
[20:10] <Neil3> no idea i was about 8
[20:10] <exobuzz> because i rememebr the c64 had invadaload. which was way cool
[20:10] <Neil3> just had loads of games all on tape
[20:11] <Neil3> friends would come round and we'd choose a game and have to wait ages for it to load
[20:11] <exobuzz> and better than the game you loaded sometimes. and i always wondered how it had the free cpu time. need to read up on that
[20:11] <exobuzz> yeh heh
[20:11] <MartijnVdS> sigh.. Natty has The Old Problem again
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> indicator-applet (and now nm-applet too) eating 2G each
[20:12] <exobuzz> loading a 128k speccy game was a joke. might as well out for a half hour
[20:12] <Neil3> all i know about the c64 is that the SID chip is a great analogue synth
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> which kind of explains the slowness I've been seeing all day
[20:12] <exobuzz> yeh. tis nice
[20:14] <ali1234> SID isn't analogue, it uses phase accumulators, which is digital
[20:16] <popey> exobuzz: thats great!
[20:17] <Neil3> the oscilators aren't analogue
[20:17] <Neil3> ?
[20:17] <ali1234> no
[20:17] <popey> exobuzz: Glider Rider and Star Glider are my two fave speccy games
[20:17] <Neil3> i stand corrected
[20:17] <ali1234> there is a built in DAC in the SID
[20:17] <popey> exobuzz: we should have a retro session at the next ubuntu party :)
[20:17] <ali1234> that's the only analogue part
[20:18] <exobuzz> The SID is a mixed-signal integrated circuit, featuring both digital and analog circuitry
[20:18] <exobuzz> aah ok.
[20:18] <popey> exobuzz: am watching that video on my laptop in the lounge, wifey just looked over at me (cant see screen).. "is that a spectrum loading?" :)
[20:18] <exobuzz> the filter is analogue according to wikipedia
[20:18] <exobuzz> popey, haha. quality :)
[20:18]  * zleap is almost guity of starting a totally unrelated thread on a ubuntu channel
[20:19] <popey> there's enough people over 30 year who used to have old 8 bit micros to sustain such a conversation zleap :)
[20:19] <zleap> i know
[20:19] <zleap> its a good off topic topic though
[20:20] <exobuzz> popey, retro stuff is always fun. there was a HUGE event recently. never knew it was that big. in erm.. blackopool. r3play. i missed it unfortunately
[20:20] <popey> i used to spend ages sorting through my emulator stuff
[20:21] <zleap> I work in a school, play ground arguments i have seen are about girlfriend, back in our day it was c64 vs speccy that caused real arguments
[20:21] <exobuzz> <- has a commodore 64 tattoo.. the gf was not very impressed when i did that
[20:21] <zleap> hehe
[20:21] <popey> lol
[20:21] <zleap> was she a speccy fan then
[20:21] <popey> haha
[20:21] <exobuzz> hahah
[20:22] <exobuzz> actaully its just a C= symbol. so not technically c64. but anyway
[20:22] <moreati> Did any of you ever have a Spectrum +3?
[20:22] <zleap> i know someone with a tux tattoo
[20:23] <zleap> i had a +d drive
[20:23] <exobuzz> +d .. they are great
[20:23] <zleap> yeah
[20:24] <zleap> load a game in a few seconds and save at any point
[20:24] <zleap> snapshot and 5 or whatever it was
[20:24] <mgdm> C64 \o/
[20:24] <zleap> speccy eqiv of a core dump on linux i guess,  (dump memory to a file)
[20:24] <exobuzz> i have a +3.. with the crappy 3 inch disk format .
[20:25] <moreati> +d, any relation to the +3 disk drive or the micro drive?
[20:25] <exobuzz> i have a c64 and spectrum side by side.. both lovely in different ways. also an atari 800xl because they are great too
[20:25] <exobuzz> and a vectrex of course. because vector games are just.. yum
[20:26] <exobuzz> +D was from mgt then datel. (called disciple first when mgt made it), was a printer and 3.5" disk drive interface for speccy
[20:26] <exobuzz> with built in freezer
[20:26] <moreati> exobuzz: did you ever manage to buy software on a 3" disk? I thnk I only ever found one game for sale on disk, everything else was on tape
[20:27] <zleap> there were some games on +3 disk
[20:27] <exobuzz> moreati, at the time i didnt have a +3. i picked one up much later. but i dont think i have any originals for it. maybe 1 ...
[20:27] <zleap> only they used 3" disks
[20:27] <zleap> magaznes did reviews for +3 games so there must have been games on it
[20:28] <exobuzz> is it just me, or do others think the atari 800xl just looks so stylish! (for the time) http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Atari_800XL_Plain_White.jpg/250px-Atari_800XL_Plain_White.jpg
[20:28] <moreati> zleap: I ended up buying a cassette deck and effectively using it as a Spectrum +1. Or was it +2?
[20:29] <zleap> +2
[20:29] <zleap> 128 k
[20:29] <zleap> just think we managed on that back then
[20:29] <zleap> i hacked tasword 2 to save to floppy on the +D
[20:29] <dogmatic69> exobuzz: that is some serious square brackets [ ]
[20:30] <exobuzz> dogmatic69, computer has very strong arrays that need the extra re-inforcement
[20:30] <dogmatic69> lol
[20:31] <zleap> ohh 2.6.35.22 kernel
[20:31] <zleap> i guess that is what is also on ubuntu 10.10
[20:32] <moreati> I made the same mistake replacing it, got an Amiga 500+ which run most 500 games, but not one or two verypopular classics
[20:32] <Flashtek> greetings
[20:33] <zleap> greetings
[20:34] <zleap> ok right now its configuring linux image
[20:36] <Neil3> got an a500 in the parent's loft, moreati
[20:36] <Neil3> i need to ask my dad to dig it out next time he comes over
[20:39] <exobuzz> moreati, almost all games should work on an a500+. with some patch or fix..
[20:39] <Azelphur> A500+ :D
[20:39] <MartijnVdS> I love how a generation of people have said "I have an amiga" without knowing what it means (in Spanish) :)
[20:40] <Azelphur> I grew up on that shizzle
[20:40] <moreati> exobuzz: I don't have it any more
[20:40] <exobuzz> <3 amiga
[20:40] <exobuzz> aah
[20:40] <Azelphur> indeed, postman pat and thomas the tank engine racing. BEST GAMES EVAR.
[20:41] <zleap> lol
[20:41] <zleap> i have 4 nations rugby,  can beat any team simply by zig zagging across the pitch,  computer can't deal with that
[20:41] <Azelphur> haha
[20:42] <Azelphur> zleap: reminds me of that football game I used to play on my sega saturn, you could just run up to the goaly and shoot the ball as he took a dive, 100% you'd get a goal every time :D
[20:42] <moreati> Amiga -> 286 -> 486 -> Pentium -> P3 -> Athlon -> Athlon + Centrino -> (Core 2 Duo)*3
[20:42] <zleap> the game stalled once with a mass of players in 1 corner,  i guess in real rugby that would be one heckof a punch up
[20:42] <Azelphur> one game I scored like 250 goals in one match \o/
[20:42] <zleap> cool
[20:42] <Azelphur> lol
[20:43] <zleap> i remmber playing fifa 98 vs germany,  german player (computer ) lobbed the goalie,  shot,  hit the post and the ball shot across face of goal
[20:43] <zleap> kinda funny really to see computers miss an open goal
[20:44] <zleap> i liked empire soccer on hte pc,  nice cartoon graphics and fun,  ref got run over when players ran out
[20:44] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:44] <zleap> or you could run past the ref he would spin round and fall over
[20:44] <zleap> lol
[20:44] <suprengr> hmmm much like Bil Gates then...
[20:44] <Azelphur> my favorite glitch of all time has to be the one in world of warcraft where you could drop below the terrain though
[20:45] <ali1234> sensible soccer? where you could score from the half way line... every time
[20:45] <Azelphur> I had a buddy on the horde (enemy faction) and I'd bring him to the alliance town, drop below the map, walk to a certain position and jump back up, we'd be behind a gate that nobody else could get past without dropping through the floor :D
[20:45] <ali1234> eventually both players would learn the trick and every game would be like 100 - 100
[20:45] <Azelphur> so then I'd shout horde at x,y on global, everyone would come running and be confused as to how to kill the horde behind the gate :D
[20:45] <Azelphur> hilarious.
[20:46] <zleap> lol
[20:47] <zleap> on daly thompson on the speccy i read if you waited till the time was 9.99.98 then ran you could do a 100 m in 2 seconds or something
[20:47] <zleap> or very fast,  and get gold
[20:47] <zleap> as clock would simply restart when running
[20:48] <ali1234> possible, but also sounds like one of those "fool's errand" cheats
[20:48] <Neil3> heh sensible soccer
[20:48] <zleap> yeah
[20:48] <zleap> but a cheat all the same
[20:48] <Neil3> i had a demo disk of that which has a WW2 version, kicking around a bomb, 1966 version in black/white...
[20:49] <zleap> anyone have an interface one
[20:49] <zleap> which allowed spectrums to be networked
[20:49] <moreati> old clips of Games Master on Youtube a great for laugh, especially for how seriously they all took it
[20:49] <Flashtek> RTL8188CUS anyone ?
[20:50] <zleap> realtek device right finelytuned
[20:50] <zleap> realtek device right Flashtek
[20:51] <Neil3> Patrick Moore FTW :)
[20:51] <Flashtek> zleap: inded..
[20:55] <Flashtek> I have one of those RTL devices, and I was wondering if anyone had managed to get it working..
[20:56] <zleap> ah wireless lan thingy
[20:56] <Flashtek> ya
[20:57] <zleap> found you a link to driver  see private message
[20:58] <Flashtek> I have been trying all day, can't make it play
[20:58] <zleap> hmm
[20:58] <zleap> looks like it is supported as there is software for it
[21:04] <Flashtek> 'looks like' and 'actually' are different..
[21:09] <zleap> hi tombrough
[21:18] <suprengr> I know it probably breaks all code of conduct rules to be laughing at this but... you must have a look at the mistramslation in http://gnomefiles.org/content/show.php/OSS+volume+control+in+system+tray?content=135928
[21:22] <Flashtek> wtf ?
[21:23] <ali1234> translation: latest ubuntu doesn't support OSS, installing OSS4 on latest ubuntu makes the tray volume control not work
[21:24] <ali1234> this is not surprising considering the tray volume control doesn't even support alsa any more
[21:25] <suprengr> ali1234: yep, i pretty much got that from it buti preferred the original text myself...
[21:26] <suprengr> ;)
[21:30] <Flashtek> biab..
[21:57] <brobostigon> nos da, sleep well all.
[22:01] <Flashtek> 8192cu just seems to not want to play..
[22:01] <zleap> hmm
[22:04] <jacobw> damn it, the OU have changed all their computing degrees for the worse
[22:05] <zleap> ah
[22:05] <zleap> in what way
[22:07] <jacobw> they've abolished all the computing and something else degrees in to a general computing and information technology degree
[22:07] <maco> does OU = Oxford?
[22:07] <maco> (sorry, im foreign)
[22:07] <popey> Open University
[22:09] <jacobw> ha, oxford :) if only :p
[22:09] <dutchie> although OU does = oxford in sporting events (eg OUBC etc)
[22:10] <jacobw> ah, i didn't know that before
[22:10] <maco> jacobw: the list of british unis i know is like this:  oxford, cambridge, stirling, edinburgh.... the end
[22:10] <bigcalm> The OU is one without a city
[22:10] <jacobw> well, i'd never heard of stirling before :p
[22:10] <dutchie> most decent sized cities have a university
[22:10] <jacobw> the open university is a distance learning establishment
[22:11] <maco> jacobw: i only know of stirling because a friend went there
[22:11] <zleap> i think stirling is in scotland
[22:11] <maco> yes
[22:12] <popey> Stirling Engines!
[22:12] <jacobw> the only stirling i've ever heard of is david stirling
[22:12] <jacobw> i didn't know he was scottish though :s
[22:13] <popey> you can buy stirling engines, they rock
[22:14] <jacobw> how is oxford going btw dutchie ?
[22:15] <dutchie> just made it back alive
[22:15] <jacobw> ah, end of term?
[22:16]  * jacobw isn't clued up on the calenday
[22:16] <dutchie> yes, finished yesterday
[22:17] <jacobw> cool :) lol, calenday, i'm not too clued up on spelling either :p
[22:18] <zleap> yay Moschops that was that dinosoar from kids tv back in the 80's
[23:10] <shauno> completely off-topic, but I'm finding it interesting that I'm having more difficulty getting XP to drive a second monitor than I ever did under X
[23:12] <shauno> in the most bizarre ways.  if I ask for 1024x768, the monitor's getting 1280x1024, with 1024x768 floating in the middle
[23:42] <sprite> that is funny
[23:43] <sprite> ooi, shauno, how old is the crt?
[23:45] <sprite> shauno, the reason I ask is because that kind of behaviour was exactly what happened in days of old before the crts were about to blow. alternatively; dodgy driver?
[23:48] <shauno> sprite: old enough :)  it's a beige dell crt
[23:49] <shauno> works fine under osx, ubuntu, and my amiga. but I can't for the life of me get XP to give it the right resolution
[23:54] <dutchie> right, any volunteers for dodgy boot diagnosis?
[23:55] <dutchie> i have a live usb mounting and fscking the partitions fine, but it panics when it can't mount the root fs
[23:55] <dutchie> it's not worked since I adjusted partition sizes