[00:01] <emma> test
[00:02] <ikonia> seems to work
[01:04] <Thermi> gn8
[03:32] <jimisrvrox> hey guys im having wireless problems that happen ever so often...do not want to have to reset my router...seems like the route table gets wiped on reboot and even applying a static IP doesnt allow to connect. Seems like the network-nm sees the router but will not connect. Any suggestions?
[06:02] <AssBeard> heyheyhey
[06:02] <AssBeard> anyone around?
[06:04] <Beware_> i have an odd problem
[06:05] <bazhang> Beware_, ask a question then
[06:06] <Beware_> oh my
[06:06] <Beware_> that's odd
[06:06] <Beware_> works now
[06:06] <Beware_> nevermind XD
[06:06] <Beware_> couldn't get an external to mount
[06:07] <Beware_> thanks anyways XD
[09:01] <_strog> hi, i have freshly installed xubuntu and was trying out the possible resolution that my laptop can do, and now i have chosen a resolution that i cannot undo
[09:02] <_strog> how can i change the resolution from the console?
[09:02] <Sysi> how did you change it?
[09:03] <Sysi> and why can't undo
[09:04] <_strog> Sysi: because with this high resolution i only get either a black screen or with distorted lines
[09:17] <nicofs> Is there a way to reinstall xubuntu while keeping most of the files and settings? Is a backup of /home enough?
[09:23] <Sysi> there are your personal settings and data, not programs etc of course
[09:28] <nicofs> Sysi: I know... personally I don't exactly care about programs - except for thunderbird, as it has all my mail stored...
[09:29] <Sysi> they should also be in your home folder
[09:29] <nicofs> word order: ..., as it has stored all my mail...
[09:30] <Sysi> BTW, i could make a feature request for natty, put pavucontrol to default installation (i'll maybe put this to launchpad too)
[09:32] <nicofs> Sysi: do you think, thunderbird will regognise the files if I just put them in the new /home folder prior to installation?
[09:32] <nicofs> (installation of thunderbird, that is)
[09:34] <_strog> Sysi: well is there a possibility to change the resolution from the console? if so how?
[09:35] <Sysi> nicofs: it should afaik
[09:35] <Sysi> _strog: strongly depends how did you change it
[09:38] <_strog> Sysi: well i went through the Settings-Manager of xfce
[09:41] <Sysi> i can't find the config file but it should be possible..
[09:42] <nicofs> What about using xrandr?
[09:42] <nicofs> (but that's not permanent...)
[09:43] <_strog> ??
[09:43] <Sysi> not possible if can't log in
[09:44] <nicofs> oh... I see the problem... sorry.
[09:44] <Sysi> have you rebooted, sure xorg didn't just crash
[10:28] <cyberseb> hii
[11:16] <Makdaam> hello, I've got a problem with my soundcard, speakers don't work anymore but the headphone jack works ok
[11:17] <Makdaam> no upgrades or reconfigurations happened between the "working" and "not working" state
[11:18] <Makdaam> running alsamixer and pulling all the controls down and up again + mute/unmute didn't help
[11:18] <TheSheep> does it have hardware volume control?
[11:19] <Makdaam> nope
[11:19] <Makdaam> I mean no potentiometer if you mean that
[11:19] <TheSheep> did you drop it or spill something on it?
[11:19] <Makdaam> nope
[11:21] <TheSheep> did you try it with other distro, or with livecd?
[11:21] <Makdaam> not yet
[11:21] <TheSheep> if it's broken too it may be a hardware problem
[11:22] <Makdaam> ok, brb checking on a different OS
[11:22] <Sysi> next guess: pulseaudio
[11:44] <Makdaam> TheSheep: I checked, and it's OS persistent, but not a hardware failure (BIOS uses the speakers properly)
[11:44] <Makdaam> so I'm guessing a firmware issue with the ICH chip
[11:45] <TheSheep> how does bios use them?
[11:45] <Makdaam> beep when wrong option/wrong password is entered
[11:45] <Makdaam> and I have no separate beeper
[11:45] <Makdaam> it's an HP laptop
[11:45] <TheSheep> that's pc speaker, usually separate from the soundcard
[11:45] <TheSheep> ah
[11:45] <TheSheep> but it still may be a separate chip
[11:46] <TheSheep> no idea
[11:46] <Makdaam> nope, disabling the internal speakers in BIOS turns off BIOS beeping
[11:46] <Makdaam> so does disabling the soundcard in BIOS
[11:47] <TheSheep> ok
[12:14] <TheSheep> I wonder, since quite some time each time I wake up the laptop from sleep all the sound controls are muted. Did somebody come up with a solution to that?
[12:15] <Sysi> i blame pulseaudio about everything
[12:16] <Sysi> exept that with it i wouldn't have needed to blacklist driver of my other soundcard
[12:16] <TheSheep> Sysi: I look for a solution, not for blame
[12:16] <Sysi> you could try without pulse
[12:17] <TheSheep> no, I like to have mutliple applications using the soundcard at the same time
[12:18] <Sysi> it should work with alsa too, on you it don't?
[12:18] <Makdaam> you could try a manual alsa mixer load
[12:18] <Makdaam> after each wake up
[12:19] <TheSheep> Makdaam: I'd rather have the thing that mutes is fixed
[12:19] <TheSheep> s/is/it
[12:19] <Sysi> anything on dmesg?
[12:19] <TheSheep> lots
[12:20] <Makdaam> how does pulse handle mixer controls? is it a file like in alsa? can you track which apps open the file/access the API?
[12:20] <Besogon> Hello. TheSheep. I've made very interesting situation in PackeTracker
[12:21] <Besogon> With routing
[13:19] <hottown> ... i just installed and am running xubuntu on my ibook g4 :)
[13:19] <hottown> so far so good
[13:20] <hottown> but I want to mount my os x disk to access some files, how do i do that?
[15:45] <discharge> hey, anyone have idea why when i click the logout panel button (or menu button) it doesnt show suspend as an option, although i have suspend set as an action to do for power button press and when it works...
[15:48] <Sysi> default xubuntu installation, what version?
[15:48] <discharge> Linux dischargelap 2.6.35-23-generic #41-Ubuntu SMP Wed Nov 24 11:55:36 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:48] <discharge> yes, xubuntu install
[15:49] <charlie-tca> discharge, lsb_release -a
[15:50] <discharge> No LSB modules are available.
[15:50] <discharge> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[15:50] <discharge> Description:	Ubuntu 10.10
[15:50] <discharge> Release:	10.10
[15:50] <discharge> Codename:	maverick
[15:51] <charlie-tca> 10.10 no longer shows suspend by default
[15:51] <discharge> why is that...?
[15:51] <charlie-tca> xfce changes
[15:52] <Sysi> what version of xfce 10.10 has?
[15:52] <charlie-tca> !info xfce4
[15:52] <discharge> okay, maybe they removed it for strange reasons, how to get it back?
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I don't know how to get it back
[15:56] <discharge> okay, not that i use it much but its annoying to not have it where it should be
[15:57] <charlie-tca> does ctrl+alt+escape work ?
[15:57] <charlie-tca> no, that is to lock the screen
[15:58] <discharge> it doesnt nothing for me
[15:58] <discharge> i dislike screen locking
[15:58] <discharge> for reason its useless when one can restart pc and gain access without pass
[16:20] <MrAnthrope> What is xubuntu?
[16:21] <sivakumar_> MrAnthrope, it is channel for ubuntu
[16:24] <MrAnthrope> Then what is #Ubuntu for?
[16:24] <Sysi> !xubuntu
[16:25] <MrAnthrope> Oh I use gnome. I was just told to come in here and wasn't sure why. Now I'm really not sure why lol.
[16:25] <charlie-tca> who told you to come here?
[16:25] <charlie-tca> and from which channel?
[16:26] <MrAnthrope> from #Ubuntu. I can't remember.
[16:26] <MrAnthrope> Is xfce4 more lightweight than gnome? For older computers?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:27] <charlie-tca> on the lightweight. It is not just for older computers, though
[16:27] <MrAnthrope> Is Xubuntu recommended for ubuntu newbs?
[16:27] <charlie-tca> not really
[16:27] <discharge> why, xubuntu is working out of the box too
[16:27] <discharge> just its lighter
[16:27] <charlie-tca> It is better if you have some experience first, since it is harder to configure things
[16:28] <MrAnthrope> Maybe I'll just stick to gnome until I get the hang of all this. :)
[16:34] <charlie-tca> discharge, Ubuntu aims directly at the new users. Xubuntu doesn't make it easy for them
[16:35] <Sysi> most of howto:s are for gnome
[16:35] <Sysi> and there are more gnome users
[16:35] <Sysi> i still could recommend xfce for newbie (and i started with it myself)
[16:36] <charlie-tca> As long as we are aware that there will be many questions about how to make things work
[19:48]  * UBuxuBU emerges from the tree tops, swinging skillfully from the vines that decorate the warm turbid jungles of...Xubuntu!
[20:06] <ubuntu> Hey
[20:07] <RightLegRed> Could I get some help with installing Ubuntu?
[20:08] <charlie-tca> Please ask your question all in one line. All of us are volunteers and will attempt to answer if we know.
[20:09] <RightLegRed> Alright, basically. My problem is that I want to install to a partition I made earlier - named arch linux - but it keeps telling me I need a root, I don't know what to do. Could someone assist me with this?
[20:09] <charlie-tca> Are you using the desktop or alternate cd?
[20:09] <Sysi> set that partitoon to moun point of /
[20:10] <Sysi> *partition to mounpoint
[20:10] <RightLegRed> charlie-tca: I don't understand the question, sorry. I'm using the installer, I've booted from a CD
[20:11] <charlie-tca> solerant-dc|away, you choose manual partition, then you have to choose the size
[20:12] <charlie-tca> Then you pick the filesystem, the mountpoint, which is a dropdown, with things like /   /home  /var   etc.
[20:12] <charlie-tca> pick /  from the list
[20:12] <charlie-tca> well, ignore the nick and do the rest
[20:12] <charlie-tca> this xchat auto-replaces    s o    with a nick for some reason
[20:13] <charlie-tca> so
[20:13] <charlie-tca> So
[20:13] <charlie-tca> well, it does something stupid, at least
[20:13] <Sysi> how much default xubuntu installation uses disk space?
[20:14] <charlie-tca> 1.4 gb or there abouts
[20:14] <Sysi> great
[20:14] <charlie-tca> I haven't measured it in Natty yet
[20:15] <Sysi> i'll need to do usb installation that boots on mac
[20:15] <charlie-tca> I'm thinking that should be interesting. Lots of macs have issues booting from usb
[20:17] <Sysi> if i make gpt partition table it should work, not sure though
[20:18] <charlie-tca> I don't know, myself. I have plugged in a usb thumbdrive and installed to it on non-mac, though
[20:59] <jtmoney> Unity will be installed by default in Natty?  Time to find a new distro, I'm afraid.
[20:59] <jtmoney> Any suggestions?
[21:00] <Sysi> it won't be in xubuntu
[21:00] <Sysi> (so that's suggestion too)
[21:00] <Sysi> iirc you can use regular gnome too
[21:01] <jtmoney> Sysi, I just installed Natty Alpha 1 and it was installed by default.  Or, at least, looked entirely different.
[21:03] <Sysi> that doesn't mean you couldn't use regular one
[21:05] <jtmoney> How would do I do that?  At the login screen?
[21:05] <Sysi> idk, this is xfce channel, and for stable versions
[22:03] <charlie-tca> jtmoney, instead of unity, you can choose to use "Classic Desktop session" when logging in
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Then it will be the gnome session
[22:09] <jtmoney> charlie-tca, but I really only want XFCE.
[22:09] <jtmoney> I'm installing Debian + XFCE now. :(
[22:10] <charlie-tca> Great. Thanks for stopping by then
[22:10] <jtmoney> Uhh, is this channel not #xubuntu?
[22:11] <jtmoney> Is my question not Xubuntu-related?
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Debian + XFCE is not Xubuntu related.
[22:11] <charlie-tca> Nor is Ubuntu with unity or gnome
[22:11] <jtmoney> Yeah, that's my last ditch effort.
[22:12] <jtmoney> I just want regular Xubuntu 11.04 A1... and it comes with Unity as far as I can tell.
[22:12] <jtmoney> My question is how to disable that without resulting to drastic measures.
[22:12] <jtmoney> Got it?
[22:12] <charlie-tca> no,. it doesn
[22:12] <charlie-tca> it does not
[22:12] <jtmoney> I wonder what the hell I installed then.
[22:12] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu does not have unity. It uses the same wallpaper and gdm background as maverick
[22:13] <jtmoney> Must have been ubuntu.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> If you got something else, it was not Xubuntu
[22:13] <jtmoney> It had some weird bar at the bottom and no labels on the top panel.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> That's not unity either
[22:14] <jtmoney> Do you know what that is?
[22:14] <charlie-tca> Unity is the Ubuntu maverick light wallpaper with a black top panel and a left-side panel in black with 4 launchers on it
[22:14] <charlie-tca> no idea what that was
[22:14] <jtmoney> Hmm, maybe something strange with 11.04 A 1.
[22:15] <jtmoney> Xubuntu that is.
[22:15] <charlie-tca> It works right here
[22:15] <jtmoney> Okay, I'll try again.
[22:15] <jtmoney> You're running Alpha 1?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> yes
[22:16] <jtmoney> Okay, I'll try again, thanks.
[22:16] <jtmoney> Are you running it on a netbook by any chance?
[22:16] <charlie-tca> no
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Doesn't matter, Xubuntu only has one desktop
[22:17] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu has both gnome and unity
[23:07] <discharge> hello, anyone can help me with a disappearing sound icon bug? when i killall xfce-panel and respawn it manually, it is there, but when ubuntu starts it doesnt show
[23:22] <Thermi> gn8