[00:01] <apachelogger> claydoh: http://www.areamobile.de/img/00/00/23/54/13.jpg
[00:02] <claydoh> now why would one want to use a stick with thier phone?  :P
[00:03] <apachelogger> for websites that do not have finger friendly versions
[00:05] <claydoh> apachelogger: how big is the screen?
[00:06] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: would you know how to go about making a .xml file translatable?
[00:06]  * claydoh wants a mobile device so bad it itches
[00:06] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: what sort of xml?
[00:06] <apachelogger> claydoh: regular
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> something like this: http://pastebin.com/KuQ6ipFp
[00:07] <apachelogger> same size as the htc magic
[00:07] <claydoh> regular
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> just needs the Name tab translated
[00:07] <claydoh> ok
[00:07] <JontheEchidna> s/tab/tag
[00:07] <apachelogger> that said, about the same size as every htc touchy phone of 2009/2010
[00:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: not sure, maybe KDE has a scripty for it, otherwise you could just write your own
[00:08] <apachelogger> building a pot is not terribly difficult
[00:08] <claydoh> ahh that mean it is small :)
[00:08] <apachelogger> small compared to what?
[00:09] <claydoh> my wife has the 4 inch amoled samsung, yours is about 3.2
[00:09] <apachelogger> it is not the size of a tablet, otherwise it would be kubuntu tablet in the video :P
[00:09] <apachelogger> hm
[00:09] <apachelogger> then 4 is a bit large IMHO
[00:09] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: do you happen to know anything about plasma-tablet btw?
[00:10] <claydoh> not really, I guess but it is our first mobile phone since about 1994
[00:10] <JontheEchidna> what's that?
[00:10] <apachelogger> I remember someone doing some ground works on that
[00:10] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: I suppose not then ^^
[00:10] <apachelogger> http://www.osnews.com/story/23686/KDE_Shows_Its_Plasma_Tablet_Interface
[00:11] <apachelogger> if I had a tablet we could start work on that as well ^^
[00:11] <claydoh> everthing looks tiny to me in comparison
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> Work on?
[00:12] <apachelogger> seems tablet is based on plasma-mobile
[00:12] <apachelogger> or sharing code or something
[00:12] <apachelogger> so it would be close enough a project to do along kubuntu mobile
[00:12] <apachelogger> DarkwingDuck: kubuntu tablet
[00:12] <DarkwingDuck> Why not use netbook for tablet?
[00:13] <DarkwingDuck> That's what I was doing for this hybred
[00:13] <apachelogger> netbook is not made for touch interaction really
[00:14] <apachelogger> surely one can use it, but it is not as suiteable as it coudl be
[01:14] <apachelogger> well then
[01:14] <apachelogger> issue no one: omap graphics driver is not installed
[01:15] <apachelogger> issue no two: kwin fails to activate desktop effects so I would supose plasma does software paintaing without hardware accel thus being incredibly slow
[01:15] <apachelogger> no 2 probably depends on martin's opengl es stuff things
[01:15] <apachelogger> issue no three: ksmserver cannot halt with nodm
[01:37] <GabrielYYZ> good evening, can someone tell me why the phonon-backend is moving to gstreamer? (i'd hate to be bothering, so if i am, please let me know, i won't mind)
[01:38] <GabrielYYZ> PS: i get why because of xine, but why not vlc.
[01:41] <apachelogger> http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/kubuntu-11-04-sneak-peek-uds-cookie/
[01:42] <GabrielYYZ> apachelogger: thanks, let me go read it :)
[01:54]  * apachelogger is wondering if our qt is opengl es enabled
[01:57]  * GabrielYYZ feels stupid now for asking the vlc-gstreamer question...
[01:57] <GabrielYYZ> thanks for the link though, the blog post and the comments sorted it out
[01:57] <apachelogger> GabrielYYZ: no need to, generally that is a good question :)
[01:59] <GabrielYYZ> but... the gstreamer-backend doesn't have all the gnome dependencies (such as gconf, etc...)
[01:59] <apachelogger> those are coming in by plugins IIRC
[01:59] <apachelogger> though we are probably going to sort that out a bit
[01:59] <apachelogger> last I checked there was only one part that dragged in a whole bunch of gnome libaries
[02:02] <GabrielYYZ> yeah, those dependencies are off putting, i don't use bleachbit because of them
[02:14] <apachelogger> hm
[02:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: it would appear to me that our Qt is not opengl es enabled
[02:14] <apachelogger> then again I am not entirely sure how to check
[02:15] <apachelogger> at teh very least some QWS stuf fis not defined and in some QWS source file it is taking about it in an Qt for Embedded Linux context
[02:20] <apachelogger> omg
[02:20] <apachelogger> 3:20 already
[02:20]  * apachelogger should go to bed at some point ^^
[02:23] <apachelogger> aha!
[02:23] <jjesse> go to bed :)
[02:23] <apachelogger> nah
[02:23] <apachelogger> just found something super important
[02:23] <apachelogger> meego builds Qt with es2 on arm
[02:23] <apachelogger> which makes about 300% sense
[02:24]  * apachelogger heads on over to the kubuntu arm farm
[02:24] <apachelogger> oh, that sounds silly
[02:24] <apachelogger> my oh my
[02:25] <jjesse> you sound super excited :)
[02:25] <apachelogger> well
[02:26] <apachelogger> my theory is that plasma mobile runs like shit on the n900 because it cannot do proper acceleration
[02:26] <apachelogger> and that is because our Qt is built with special suport for its special version of opengl
[02:26] <apachelogger> that is just a theory though
[02:27] <JontheEchidna> what the heck? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60159605/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.muon_1.0.80-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[02:27] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna produces broken software
[02:27] <apachelogger> I knew it
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> the libraries it apparently cannot link are right there in the output
[02:28] <apachelogger> :O
[02:28] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: well, maybe kde broke abi?
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> it built fine in pbuilder
[02:28] <apachelogger> hm
[02:28] <apachelogger> I blame it on gcc then
[02:28] <JontheEchidna> plus I know DebconfKde hasn't complained at all
[02:29] <apachelogger> that thing makes nothing but troubles in natty
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> s/complained/changed
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> (dunno where that came from)
[02:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you built the exactly same package in pbuilder?
[02:29] <apachelogger> *exactly*
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah. doko sent an email complaining that I never tested it
[02:29] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yes
[02:30] <apachelogger> pff
[02:30] <apachelogger> that is odd
[02:30] <apachelogger> *ver*
[02:30] <apachelogger> +y
[02:30] <JontheEchidna> I'll even do it again for good measure
[02:37] <ScottK> apachelogger: Isn't Qt for QWS an entirely separate source?
[02:38] <apachelogger> doesnt look like it
[02:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll kick off a build that should activate es2 on arm
[02:39] <ScottK> apachelogger: It was at one point.  Maybe sense prevailed and it is now combined.
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> oh, right. I remember
[02:39] <JontheEchidna> QApt hadn't published in my ppa so I did a debuild of muon
[02:39] <apachelogger> maybe in qtopia times
[02:40] <ScottK> apachelogger: If you can eradicate the rest of -f no-stack-protector from the build, that would be good too.
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> but I saw this error before and worked around it by installing binutils-gold. (gold links it fine)
[02:40] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: so you produce faulty software after all :P
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> no, the ld linker is busted
[02:40] <apachelogger> stupid ld
[02:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Are you linking in the right order?
[02:40] <JontheEchidna> linking in the right order?
[02:40] <apachelogger> ScottK: already started
[02:40] <apachelogger> should it turn out useful I'll kick that stuff too
[02:40] <ScottK> OK
[02:41] <apachelogger> /usr/lib/icecc/icecc-create-env: line 43: file: command not found
[02:41] <apachelogger> yay
[02:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/12/msg00115.html
[02:42]  * apachelogger aports
[02:42] <apachelogger> -p +b
[02:42] <JontheEchidna> I do not have control over link order
[02:42] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/12/msg00113.html , but it's not as clear.
[02:42] <ScottK> Sure you do.
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> nope, I already have put libmuon at the end of the CMake link targets
[02:43] <JontheEchidna> but it's definitely not last
[02:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm, well moving libmuon to the first fixed things
[02:44] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: static libs are evil like that
[02:45]  * apachelogger recalls having similar foobar in his gsoc project
[02:45] <JontheEchidna> well, I could have at least done without a snarky email from doko :/
[02:46]  * apachelogger hugs JontheEchidna and reminds him that mr doko was responsible for build fails all over the place thanks to silly gcc ;)
[02:47] <CIA-24> [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101206024644-kh7st5ub5jh1k62o * D20icecc also install file, since the env creation depends on it and maverick chroot does not contain it
[02:48]  * apachelogger retries building
[02:48] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1204045 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (4 files in 4 dirs) Move libmuon to the top of the link list, so that ld can link when the --as-needed flag is passed to it. (gold is unaffected)
[02:49]  * apachelogger likes reading spec files
[02:49] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna, ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/540148/ looks interesting, does it not?
[02:50]  * apachelogger notes that meego has a connman-qt lib btw
[02:50] <JontheEchidna> interesting indeed
[02:52] <apachelogger> hm
[02:52] <apachelogger> -DQT_RX71_MULTITOUCH=1
[02:52] <apachelogger> build switch for qt
[02:52] <apachelogger> sounds useful
[02:57]  * apachelogger is off to bed
[02:57] <apachelogger> nini
[06:38] <vorian> I <3 KUBUNTU
[06:40] <valorie> lol
[06:40] <vorian> :)
[06:40] <valorie> I have to take back my complaint about sound from earlier
[06:40] <valorie> my headphones are working tonight
[06:41] <valorie> so maybe I just needed a restart
[06:41] <valorie> sound control is wonky in 10.10 though
[06:41] <valorie> still <3 Kubuntu as well
[06:41] <vorian> crimsun: ^^
[08:30] <hrw> hi
[08:30] <hrw> any informations when kde 4.6b1 will be fully instalable on natty/amd64?
[08:33] <valorie> vorian: I thought crimsun had moved away from sound
[08:33] <valorie> I wouldn't blame him, it's a swamp full of unseen creatures
[09:23] <maco> valorie: its not that he's moved away from sound....its that he's leaving ubuntu in general
[09:24] <maco> valorie his work is going to leave no opportunities for contributions anymore, starting sometime in the next few months
[09:24] <valorie> oh, I didn't realize
[09:24] <valorie> that sucks a bit
[09:25] <valorie> for those of us with sound difficulties
[09:25] <maco> he trained some folks over the last year to be able to handle some stuff
[09:25] <maco> and he gave a recommendation to canonical for a guy who knows sound, and he got hired
[09:27] <valorie> good deal!
[09:29] <apachelogger> valorie: there is always mac osx
[09:30]  * apachelogger loves how qt on arm decided not to build due to es2 stuff missing 
[09:32] <valorie> apachelogger: I love kubuntu, even when I have difficulties
[09:33] <valorie> I went through my Mac phase .... maybe before you were born
[09:33] <valorie> lol
[09:34] <valorie> and I think that mac is still in the back of a closet somewhere
[09:34] <tazz> http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ this guy just keeps on ripping on ubuntu
[09:34]  * apachelogger would be ripping on kubuntu, much easier target
[09:34] <tazz> its more like ubuntu-hater's blog.
[09:34] <apachelogger> valorie: I never had a thing with the mac
[09:34] <apachelogger> not my type
[09:35] <valorie> me and my Mac SE20 were good buddies
[09:35] <tazz> :p
[09:35] <valorie> for quite a long time
[09:35] <hrw> I only used MacOS but not Mac
[09:35]  * apachelogger once used a system called windows
[09:35] <apachelogger> oh oh oh
[09:36] <hrw> apachelogger: 1.01?
[09:36] <apachelogger> hrw: what does an apachelogger have to do to get ppas equipped with some sort of arm building machinery?
[09:36] <apachelogger> :O
[09:36] <apachelogger> oh my good I so cant believe you just said that
[09:36] <hrw> apachelogger: no idea - I do cross builds
[09:36] <apachelogger> I am no where as old as windows 1.01!!!
[09:36]  * hrw used windows 1.01 ~10 years ago
[09:37] <apachelogger> hm
[09:37] <hrw> no one at dorm was able to run it - we had slow enough machine
[09:37] <apachelogger> oh 
[09:37] <apachelogger> ^^
[09:38] <apachelogger> ScottK: we need more arm machines
[09:38] <valorie> I used Win 95 through Win2Kpro
[09:38] <hrw> apachelogger: 386sx/25, 5MB ram etc was enough
[09:38] <apachelogger> alternatively I could get myself a cross build env set up
[09:38] <valorie> 5 or 6 years
[09:38] <hrw> anyway - someone know when kde4.6b1 will be installable in natty/amd64?
[09:38] <apachelogger> hrw: is there any idiot proof guide to xcomiling for arm?
[09:39] <apachelogger> hrw: supposedly when it is all built, what is the hold back right now?
[09:39] <valorie> hrw: my first computer was an 8086, with 80K! 
[09:39] <hrw> apachelogger:  kdebase-apps kdebase-data kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-data kdelibs5-data phonon
[09:39] <valorie> and a cassette tape drive
[09:39] <hrw> valorie: original ibm pc era?
[09:39] <valorie> It was a Coleco ADAM
[09:39] <valorie> lol
[09:39] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[09:40] <hrw> valorie: my first was atari 65xe. but I am 1976
[09:40] <apachelogger> hrw: what happens if you apt-get install them manually?
[09:40] <valorie> I think that was around 84
[09:40] <valorie> not sure
[09:40] <valorie> my kids were little
[09:40] <apachelogger> in 1984 I was still living at home
[09:40] <hrw> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/T5vfJ63F
[09:41] <apachelogger> in particular that year we probably had invented wine, yes, we did invent it for a whole year, it sure was a long process *phew*
[09:42] <hrw> apachelogger: http://hrw.pastebin.com/VuHQuFJm is aptitude
[09:44] <shadeslayer> bah
[09:44] <apachelogger> your system is the broken
[09:44] <shadeslayer> i had important info for rbelem
[09:44] <shadeslayer> did anyone take up kdepim 4.4.8/
[09:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and you were too lazy to do stuff?
[09:44] <apachelogger> you are soooo lazy :P
[09:44]  * apachelogger hugs shadeslayer
[09:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: lazy eh?
[09:44] <shadeslayer> i was fishing for info
[09:45]  * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger
[09:45] <shadeslayer> also
[09:45] <shadeslayer> reading up on make...
[09:45] <apachelogger> hrw: ah, sseems you are blocked on arch:all packages, so I suppose i386 is a bit behind
[09:45] <apachelogger>  kdebase-bin : Depends: kdebase-data (= 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[09:45] <apachelogger> that ought to be the root of the problem right there
[09:46] <shadeslayer> apparently you can run debian on the desire, so i suppose the same thing can be followed for kubuntu mobile
[09:47] <shadeslayer> just need to get rbelem to see that ...
[09:47] <hrw> apachelogger: ok, will wait then - no time to run build locally
[09:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: nvm kubuntu-mobile
[09:48] <apachelogger> it is the crap
[09:48] <shadeslayer> eh...
[09:48] <shadeslayer> you said it is the future :]
[09:48] <apachelogger> about as responsive as a service hotline
[09:48] <shadeslayer> hahaha .... :P
[09:49] <apachelogger> which is probably still more responsive than android with 3 apps open
[09:49] <apachelogger> silly android always needs to shuffle around memory
[09:49] <shadeslayer> possibly label it as a pre-alpha tech preview 
[09:49] <apachelogger> it is like gstreamer for phones
[09:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you have what ... 2.1?
[09:49] <apachelogger> oh, there is gstreamer for phones, scratch that
[09:49] <apachelogger> ...
[09:49] <shadeslayer> ( android version )
[09:50] <Riddell> packaging todo: kdevelop (should be done, just needs checking), amarok, koffice (why bother, koffice isn't even going to exist past tomorrow), kdepim 4.4.8 (in triplicate) and 4.6 beta 2
[09:50] <Riddell> easy peasy
[09:50] <shadeslayer> ill take up 4.4.8
[09:50] <shadeslayer> i need a server to parallel build ....
[09:51] <apachelogger> hrw: interestingly enough kdebas seems to be built... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase
[09:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: oh, how woudl I know
[09:51]  * apachelogger stopped tracking that a while ago
[09:51] <apachelogger> android has silly release policies anyway
[09:51] <apachelogger> if one would want to call google-nails-another-deal a policy
[09:51] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[09:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what phone do you have anyways?
[09:52]  * shadeslayer didnt properly see it at UDS
[09:52] <apachelogger> an n900
[09:52] <shadeslayer> it used to beep so loudly in the morning :P
[09:52] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: the other one :P
[09:52] <apachelogger> dunno
[09:52] <apachelogger> magic I think
[09:53] <shadeslayer> HTC Magic? :P
[09:53] <apachelogger> possibly
[09:53] <apachelogger> oh
[09:53] <apachelogger> yeah
[09:53] <apachelogger> the loud beeping
[09:53] <apachelogger> I HATE IT FOR THAT
[09:53] <shadeslayer> you know you can change the beep
[09:53] <shadeslayer> i rather liked it... wakes me right up in the morning
[09:53] <apachelogger> the n900 just woke me up with nice sounds that made sweet love to my ears, waking me slowly from my slumber
[09:54] <apachelogger> in general I must say that the n900's sounds are of very very very very very high quality and smooth and whatnot
[09:54] <apachelogger> whereas all android sounds I have heared thus far were like blitzkrieg or something
[09:54] <shadeslayer> omg .. gsmareana says .. OS : Android OS
[09:54] <shadeslayer> no version :O
[09:54] <shadeslayer> looks like 1.6 tho
[09:55] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: you have obsolete OS
[09:55] <shadeslayer> on your Magic
[09:56] <shadeslayer> Riddell: do we need kdepim 4.4.8 for natty?
[09:56] <shadeslayer> or are we using the new 4.5 one 
[09:57] <hrw> apachelogger: kdebase/natty source is 4.5.80-0ubuntu1 here (after apt-get update)
[09:58] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes we do, we haven't changed to 4.6 for natty kde pim and won't without lots of testing first
[09:58] <shadeslayer> ok..
[09:58]  * shadeslayer hates dolphin+sftp
[09:58] <shadeslayer> asks me for my password each time i go into a folder
[10:00]  * shadeslayer also needs to finish kubuntu-web-shortcuts
[10:00] <hrw> shadeslayer: dolphin? what is it ;D
[10:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: unlikely since I used to patch it
[10:01]  * hrw still uses mc for filemanagement
[10:01] <apachelogger> since I was hoping for android to become less crappy
[10:01] <apachelogger> did not really work out
[10:01] <shadeslayer> hrw: when i go to ktown to get sources, it asks me for my ssh passphrase everytime i open a folder
[10:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: patch it? you compiled stuff etc?
[10:01] <hrw> shadeslayer: ever heard of ssh-agent?
[10:02] <shadeslayer> yes
[10:02] <hrw> should not it keep pass?
[10:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: dude, I am supreme haxx0r, of course I did....
[10:02] <shadeslayer> yes, but dunno why dolphin keeps asking
[10:02] <apachelogger> oh
[10:02] <apachelogger> that remidns me
[10:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kewl :D
[10:02]  * apachelogger throws https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 at yofel_ in case he wants to brick his n900
[10:03] <shadeslayer> oh nice
[10:05] <apachelogger> ../../include/QtCore/../../src/corelib/tools/qstring.h:187:14: note: the mangling of 'va_list' has changed in GCC 4.4
[10:05] <apachelogger> :O
[10:05] <apachelogger> I hate it, hate it, hate it
[10:05] <shadeslayer> whee ... gcc 4.4 
[10:06]  * apachelogger wonders what that bug was again
[10:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell:  kdepim 4.4.8 (in triplicate)  << what do you mean by triplicate? :P
[10:08] <shadeslayer> omg ktown is so slow
[10:08] <shadeslayer> slooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww
[10:08] <apachelogger> maybe it is you :P
[10:08] <shadeslayer> im lazy .. not slow
[10:09] <shadeslayer> like ... im downloading at 8 KBps
[10:09] <hrw> kdebase-workspace-bin is 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu3 in archive still?
[10:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: natty, kubuntu-ppa (updates) and kubuntu-ppa/beta
[10:10] <shadeslayer> its not beta.... why should it go into beta?
[10:10] <shadeslayer> or are you talking about 4.6?
[10:11] <Riddell> yes
[10:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: KDE PIM 4.6 for natty as well?
[10:16] <shadeslayer> in beta ppa
[10:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: KDE PIM 4.6 for natty will go to kubuntu-ppa/experimental
[10:19] <shadeslayer> ohk
[10:21] <bulldog98> Riddell: have you looked into pim beta 2?
[10:21] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: is everything fine with my kubuntu-web-shortcuts and kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts packages in : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=natty
[10:22] <shadeslayer> i can then squash the changelog into on and ask for a sponsor
[10:22] <shadeslayer> s/on/one
[10:24] <Riddell> bulldog98: not yet but will do this morning
[10:24]  * hrw moves from Polish to German ubuntu mirror to get fresh packages
[10:24] <bulldog98> ok
[10:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw you talked about asynchronous loading in urlbar of rekonq, can you compile from git and check if its fixed?
[10:25] <shadeslayer> because i _think_ its fixed now, but just to be sure ...
[10:26] <hrw> strange... http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-bin_4.5.80-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb but "apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-bin" says that 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu3 is latest
[10:26] <shadeslayer> hrw: possibly the list isnt updated?
[10:26] <hrw> probably
[10:26] <shadeslayer> the one where all the new packages get indexed etc
[10:28] <shadeslayer> Need to get 1,074MB/1,210MB of archives.     .....   -.-
[10:28] <shadeslayer> 4 hours till i get kde 4.6
[10:29] <apachelogger> meh
[10:29] <apachelogger> something is off with my icecc hook in maverick :(
[10:30] <shadeslayer> oh
[10:30] <shadeslayer> i need to figure out icecc foo as well
[10:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: can you link me up to some extra compilers online? :P
[10:30] <apachelogger> no
[10:31] <apachelogger> your intarwebs is crap
[10:31] <shadeslayer> i haz a 512 Kbps connection ..
[10:31] <apachelogger> that is what I said
[10:31] <apachelogger> crap
[10:31] <apachelogger> youd need at least 10mbit or something
[10:31] <shadeslayer> how much do i need?
[10:32] <shadeslayer> :O
[10:32] <apachelogger> even then I doubt it would make sense to do icecreaming over the intarwebs
[10:32] <apachelogger> way too slow
[10:32] <shadeslayer> hmm
[10:34] <apachelogger> this is silly
[10:34] <apachelogger> why would icecc fail in mav while it works in natty
[10:42] <apachelogger> I fear it does not export the gcc properly
[10:42] <apachelogger> though I do not know why
[11:24] <agateau> hey, anyone knows which binary provides the strigi|nepomuk systray icon?
[11:32] <shadeslayer> agateau: probably ubottu if you ask nicely
[11:33] <agateau> shadeslayer: define "ask nicely" :)
[11:33] <shadeslayer> you need the right parameters to pass to !find
[11:33] <shadeslayer> :>
[11:33] <Riddell> agateau: I don't seem to have a nepomuk systray icon in 4.6
[11:33] <shadeslayer> someone messed up then :P
[11:34] <agateau> Riddell: yes, it seems it's gone
[11:34] <agateau> Riddell: too bad that was one way to reproduce the bug I am hunting
[11:34] <shadeslayer> hold on ill ask upstream if theyre around
[11:34] <agateau> Riddell: the other way being kpackagekit, but I can't get the KSNI to show for this one anymore either :/
[11:35] <shadeslayer> yeah
[11:35] <shadeslayer> upstream removed the icon :P
[11:35] <agateau> shadeslayer: ok thanks
[11:37] <shadeslayer> agateau: incoming upstream :P
[11:37] <agateau> shadeslayer: heh :)
[11:37] <vHanda> Okay. I'm here.
[11:37] <shadeslayer> agateau: vHanda is nepomuk dev, and seems he removed the icon :P
[11:37] <vHanda> Tell me about the bug.
[11:37] <agateau> vHanda: the bug is not really about nepomuk, sorry
[11:38] <agateau> vHanda: it's just that the systray icon was a nice way to reproduce kde bug 241562
[11:38]  * vHanda likes ubottu
[11:38] <agateau> vHanda: do you know where the systray icon code was?
[11:39] <vHanda> agateau: Yes. kdebase/runtime/nepomuk/services/strigi
[11:39] <vHanda> I removed it during Akademy.
[11:39] <agateau> vHanda: thanks, I'll check what it did
[11:39] <vHanda> :) 
[11:39] <h4xordood> for n900 i should download omap3 or omap4 ?
[11:40] <h4xordood> :)
[11:40] <vHanda> agateau: If there are ANY Nepomuk bugs that are irritating you. Please feel free to bug me.
[11:40] <agateau> vHanda: ok thanks
[11:41] <agateau> vHanda: You may want to answer to this report btw: kde bug 258473
[11:41] <agateau> (not from me)
[11:54] <apachelogger> holy death star
[11:54]  * apachelogger throws the n900 out the window
[11:59] <tsimpson> throw it over to me ;)
[12:05] <apachelogger> no
[12:05] <apachelogger> it will drive you mad
[12:07] <tsimpson> I only have a n800, so it must be better than that. right?
[12:08] <apachelogger> I find this hard to believe
[12:09]  * apachelogger needs to tweak kubuntu-mobile-default-settingss
[12:17] <tazz> i agree with apachelogger 
[12:18] <tazz> the hardware on n900 sucked.
[12:25] <shadeslayer> eh
[12:25] <shadeslayer> really?
[12:25] <shadeslayer> i thought since it has a GPU etc it would be fast
[12:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: send it to me! :P
[12:27] <apachelogger> no!!!!
[12:27] <apachelogger> shipping to india is the expensive
[12:28] <apachelogger> building qt takes so long *sing*
[12:29] <apachelogger> plasma-mobile is so fat it uses half the ram
[12:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill pay the expenses ... how much would they be anyways :P
[12:33] <apachelogger> 300000000000 euros
[12:33] <apachelogger> that is like 3000000000000000000000000000000003821340 usd
[12:33] <shadeslayer> also .. i think its possible that i can use my phone to compile stuff on ARM
[12:33] <shadeslayer> but... that will tak a epic long time
[12:33] <apachelogger> that is like 13040405005058382021049^23845+2353535i in your money thing
[12:34] <shadeslayer> lol ... imaginary numbers ^_^
[12:34] <shadeslayer> probably :D
[12:34] <shadeslayer> omg ... imaginary money :F
[12:34] <shadeslayer> :D
[12:34] <apachelogger> you know
[12:34] <apachelogger> quassel says my nick is +i
[12:35] <shadeslayer> and?
[12:35] <shadeslayer> mine says its +Zi ...
[12:35] <apachelogger> well, does that make me imaginary too?
[12:35] <apachelogger> also
[12:35] <shadeslayer> heh ... :P
[12:35] <apachelogger> turns out we need opengl es for the plasma-mobile to work
[12:35] <apachelogger> so
[12:36] <apachelogger> now I am confident that should Qt ever finish compiling plasma-mobile will run like butter on a hot summer day
[12:36] <apachelogger> also we need to harass martin to hurry his kwin opengl es enablement along ^^
[12:37] <apachelogger> well then
[12:38] <apachelogger> a proper dev device must be hard reset at least 3 times a day
[12:38] <apachelogger> \o/
[12:39]  * apachelogger is off to statistics
[12:39] <apachelogger> ...
[12:45] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim-runtime for natty in bzr
[12:46] <shadeslayer> compiling for maverick atm
[12:47] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: are you redoing my work for kdepim?
[12:47] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: kdepim 4.4.8
[12:47] <shadeslayer> not 4.6 :D
[12:47] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: ah ok than an +1 to you
[12:47] <bulldog98> :)
[12:48] <bulldog98> Riddell: if you finished review of beta just ping me
[12:56] <Riddell> bulldog98: getting stuck on a customer support case :(
[12:57] <bulldog98> Riddell: :'(
[12:58] <shadeslayer> customer support case? 0_O
[13:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pingly.. will the omap3 or omap4 image work on the N900?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> agateau: was kubuntu_02_kalarm_kstatusnotifieritem.diff applied upstream?
[13:09] <agateau> shadeslayer: yes it has been applied
[13:10] <shadeslayer> ok .. thanks :)
[13:10] <shadeslayer> just wanted to double check ;)
[13:17] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: when can i expect kdepim beta packages ^_^
[13:18] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: beta 1 is already done, beta 2 only kdepim needs to be commited to ninjas
[13:18] <shadeslayer> lemme correct that
[13:18] <shadeslayer> when can i expect them in experimental :P
[13:19] <shadeslayer> +ppa
[13:28] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: beta 1 is in experimental and beta 2 won’t got to there until kde release (wednesday)
[13:29] <shadeslayer> no no .. beta 1 built against kde 4.6
[13:29] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[13:29] <shadeslayer> i think its built against 4.6 now
[13:29] <Riddell> steveire: any thoughts on how to debug bug 676173 ?
[13:30] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.ca/2011906
[13:38] <ScottK> hrw: Currently arm PPAs are very limited, but I understand there are plans to change that ~soon.  Qt failed to build over the weekend (twice) due to an LP bug, so maybe it will now work and we'll start to have this stuff in the archive ...
[13:39] <steveire> Riddell: Does that version of kaddressbook use checkboxes on the addressbook folders to show/hide addressees?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: bug 630131... seems about right, should  i make kopete depend on kopete-gcall?
[13:39] <steveire> Is it possible that he's clicking the addressbook, but not clicking the checkbox?
[13:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: It needs to be in Main first in any case.
[13:40] <steveire> I presume you can't reproduce. What version of kdepim is it? " Package: kdepim (not installed)"
[13:40] <shadeslayer> right, i was concerned whether or not it will get pulled onto the CD as well
[13:41] <shadeslayer> also, it cant go into main, it depends on libavmediacodec foo .... iirc ....
[13:43] <ScottK> So No then.
[13:43] <Riddell> steveire: you can't add addressbook folders to vcard addressbooks, there's no tickboxes that I can see
[13:46] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can you sponsor kdepim-runtime 4.4.8 from bzr?
[13:46] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Possibly later today.
[13:46] <shadeslayer> ok
[13:47] <shadeslayer> ill push kdepim too after some time
[13:47] <shadeslayer> testbuilding it atm
[13:47] <shadeslayer> so that will need sponsoring too
[13:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you're doing 4.4.8 for natty?
[13:47] <shadeslayer> yep
[13:47] <Riddell> great
[13:47] <shadeslayer> runtime is done and in bzr
[13:50] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i think that bug should be fixed with this patch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdenetwork/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu_04_googletalk_no_errormsg_and_knh_support.patch
[13:52] <steveire> The tickboxes must be new in trunk then.
[13:53] <steveire> Riddell: tokoe would be better to ask, but he's not online since 30 mins ago.
[13:57] <Riddell> kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-4.1.1
[14:02] <steveire> Riddell: I don't know anything about kresources. It looks like the user tried to use a personal contacts resource too with the same effect?
[14:03] <steveire> "With kaddressbook erraneously showing those "empty" addressbooks (or none at all) rather than the installed ones" I don't understand this
[14:03] <Riddell> steveire: he's look at the KDE Resources kcontrol mobile and seeing his address book in there, I've told him that's irrelevant since it's not used by KDE PIM 4.4
[14:04] <steveire> Yep, so I see.
[14:04] <steveire> Is that what he's referring to when he says 'installed ones' ?
[14:04] <Riddell> yse
[14:04] <Riddell> yes
[14:05] <Riddell> I'm thinking I need to package 4.4.8 for lucid and get him to install that to see if it works
[14:16] <Riddell> bulldog98: kdepim 4.6 merge is good except you didn't set your right name and e-mail in debian/changelog, fixed and committed
[14:18] <steveire> Riddell: Maybe. Seems to me like somehow a configuration issue. Can he create a brand new personal contacts resource , possibly copying the data in .local, and load that in kab? Possibly create a new user either and try it out.
[14:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 3 I think
[14:26] <apachelogger> qt is still compiling -.-
[14:26] <apachelogger> what a drag
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: checkout the android 2.3 vids on youtube
[14:28] <shadeslayer> music streaming right to your device
[14:28]  * apachelogger checksout starlight
[14:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that did not work before?
[14:29] <shadeslayer> uh
[14:29] <shadeslayer> thats new
[14:29] <shadeslayer> wasnt in 2.2
[14:29] <apachelogger> doesnt sound revolutionary to me TBH
[14:30] <shadeslayer> i wouldnt call 2.3 revolutionary
[14:30] <apachelogger> phonon can do that for years :P
[14:30] <shadeslayer> id call it tweaking it for a better experience
[14:30] <apachelogger> so they fixed their 300000000 bugs? :P
[14:30] <shadeslayer> not all of them i suppose :D
[14:31] <shadeslayer> did KDE fix their 30000000000 bugs ? :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> also .. is someone on KDE 4.6 ? can you test if posting comments on bugs.launchpad is fixed?
[14:32] <shadeslayer> iirc its a KIO issue
[14:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ill probably install the first 2.3 ROM that comes for my HTC Desire
[14:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's not fixed
[14:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if any :P
[14:37] <apachelogger> so
[14:37] <apachelogger> I need to time warp
[14:37] <apachelogger> this build is way too slow for my brain
[14:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you need me to upload kdepim-runtime?
[14:37] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:37] <shadeslayer> im ~done with kdepim as well
[14:38]  * apachelogger started writing a small videorecorder app based on phonon
[14:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: what happened to your other media player project?
[14:38]  * apachelogger started writing the necessary phonon bits for that
[14:39] <apachelogger> not very easy to get the right mixture of contrl and convenience
[14:39] <Riddell> shadeslayer, ScottK: kdepim-runtime 4.4.8 uploaded to natty
[14:41] <bulldog98> Riddell: ok thanks
[14:41] <shadeslayer> thanks! :D
[14:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdepim uploaded to bzr
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ill backport it to maverick after dinner and upload both to updates ppa
[14:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: updates and beta?
[15:01] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah im doing those now :)
[15:01] <shadeslayer> just got back from dinner 
[15:01] <shadeslayer> also, bulldog98 is doing beta iirc
[15:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no bulldog98 is going ninjas->experimental
[15:06] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we also need 4.4.8 in beta
[15:07] <shadeslayer> beta? how is it beta? 0_o
[15:07] <shadeslayer> s/beta/experimental ( for earlier statement )
[15:07] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: it’s needed to build with kdepimlibs beta
[15:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: kdepim 4.6 beta is a port to akonadi, it's very flaky and has already been delayed by 6 months, we're putting it in experimental for now
[15:10] <shadeslayer> right, and iirc i did the first beta packages right
[15:10] <shadeslayer> so now, 4.4.8 for natty, in updates ppa for maverick
[15:10] <shadeslayer> and where does the beta ppa come in?
[15:10] <shadeslayer> 4.6 for maverick in beta?
[15:11] <Riddell> kubuntu-ppa/beta has KDE Platform 4.6 beta.  It needs KDE PIM 4.4.8.
[15:13] <shadeslayer> uh ... 
[15:13] <shadeslayer> how did that get there
[15:13] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[15:14] <shadeslayer> right, you guys rebuilt the beta 4.6 packages against new KDE 4.6
[15:14] <shadeslayer> so beta needs 4.6 packages as well ... oh my
[15:14] <shadeslayer> s/4.6/4.4.8
[15:14] <shadeslayer> so thats kdepim 4.4.8 built against KDE 4.5 and KDE 4.6?
[15:15] <Riddell> yes
[15:15] <shadeslayer> ok ... ill do it ....
[15:15] <Riddell> great
[15:15] <Riddell> I'm doing lucid updates
[15:15] <shadeslayer> ive built it against 4.6 for now
[15:18] <Riddell> so that'll go into kubuntu-ppa/beta
[15:18] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:19]  * shadeslayer needs to make a kiotest case ....
[15:35]  * Riddell starts on koffice packaging
[15:36]  * shadeslayer pokes kdepim to pick it up
[15:37] <shadeslayer> zomg kronos
[15:37] <shadeslayer> kronos: want to package some foo :>
[15:37] <kronos> shadeslayer: hey....sure..
[15:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im passing kde 4.4.8 for maverick against kde 4.5 to kronos ^^ :P
[15:38] <shadeslayer> s/kde/kdepim
[15:38] <shadeslayer> kronos: so we want kdepim 4.4.8 against KDE 4.5 ... im building it against 4.6 at the moment
[15:38] <shadeslayer> do you have a maverick chroot?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> and access to ktown?
[15:39] <kronos> shadeslayer: have a maverick chroot..
[15:39] <kronos> no
[15:39] <shadeslayer> ok .. lemme see if theyre on ftp.kde
[15:39] <shadeslayer> kronos: download both of these : ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/kdepim-4.4.8/src/
[15:41] <kronos> shadeslayer: hmm..next ??
[15:41] <shadeslayer> kronos: then : bzr branch lp:~kubuntu-members/kdepim-runtime/ubuntu -r 59
[15:42] <shadeslayer> version it as 4.4.8-0ubuntu1~maverick1~ppa1
[15:42] <shadeslayer> and build away :D
[15:43] <Riddell> kronos: what version of KDE Platform is in your maverick chroot?
[15:43]  * shadeslayer was about to come to that
[15:43] <kronos> shadeslayer: dont know .. never used..
[15:44] <shadeslayer> kronos: did you add any PPA's to your chroot?
[15:44] <kronos> no..
[15:44] <hrw> developer which set refresh time to 10s for globe wallpaper should be ....
[15:44] <shadeslayer> ok .. 4.5.1 then ...
[15:44] <kronos> Riddell: 4.5.1..
[15:44] <hrw> I wonder how fast CPU/GPU does it require
[15:45] <Riddell> kronos: we want it built for 4.5.4 from kubuntu-ppa (updates) so  apt-add-repository kubuntu-ppa
[15:45] <sabdfl> kde'ers, which version of Qt are we targeting for 11.04?
[15:46] <Riddell> sabdfl: I've not heard of a release schedule for 4.8 but I'm pretty sure that'll be after 11.04, so I'm expecting 4.7.2 or .3
[15:47] <Riddell> sabdfl: QtWebkit is being separated so I'm expecting a newer version of that, 2.1
[15:47] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[15:48] <sabdfl> ok thanks guys
[15:48] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw add-apt-repository isnt pulled in by pbuilder :P
[15:48] <shadeslayer> so that will fail in a chroot, you need some other package for running that command
[15:48] <shadeslayer> otoh you can directly add the ppa entry in your sources.list
[15:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yes
[15:51] <shadeslayer> kronos: so add the ppa, whichever way you like :), and start building :D
[15:52] <shadeslayer> same way for kdepim, using revision 147 from https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/kdepim/ubuntu
[15:52] <kronos> shadeslayer: hmmmm
[15:52] <shadeslayer> and just ignore what ubottu said ;)
[15:54] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: you shouldn’t should keywords around :P
[15:54] <shadeslayer> bulldog98: i tend to forget about the kde revision plugin in ubottu
[15:55] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: :)
[15:58] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: are you on natty?
[15:59] <shadeslayer> lolno
[16:00] <bulldog98> hm I’ve got problems with add-apt-repository
[16:03] <bulldog98> Quintasan_: how is your state of kdebase-runtime?
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: uploaded PIM to beta
[16:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: great
[16:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what about natty?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> didnt you upload that?
[16:38] <shadeslayer> i pushed stuff to bzr
[16:38] <Riddell> I only uploaded kdepim-runtime, let me look at kdepim
[16:39] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:41] <hrw> bug 686054 reported
[16:42] <shadeslayer> needs a rebuild probably
[16:42] <shadeslayer> still .. ill bite it
[16:43] <shadeslayer> #6 0x00007fe963251eb2 in TaskManager::TaskGroup::members() const () from /usr/lib/libtaskmanager.so.4 << definetely needs a rebuild
[16:43] <shadeslayer> *definitely
[16:44] <shadeslayer> hrw: ill upload a rebuild in 10-15 mins
[16:45] <shadeslayer> kronos: which ppa did you add again?
[16:45] <kronos> shadeslayer: kubuntu-ppa updates ..
[16:45] <shadeslayer> kronos: this one? https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ppa
[16:45] <kronos> shadeslayer: yup
[16:46] <shadeslayer> hold on
[16:47] <shadeslayer> kronos: yeah im looking at the packaging atm
[16:51] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i think we need akonadi 1.4.1 for updates PPA
[16:51] <shadeslayer> for some reason its not there
[16:52] <shadeslayer> wheeee....... launchpad timeouts
[16:54] <rgreening> apachelogger: yo.
[16:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: why do we need that?
[16:59] <rgreening> omg the qt+kde compositing is horrible
[16:59] <rgreening> graphic artifacts everywhere
[16:59] <shadeslayer> Riddell: for kdepim 4.4.8
[16:59] <rgreening> we need to rever back to the default qt engine settings
[16:59] <shadeslayer> against kde 4.5
[16:59] <rgreening> revert even
[16:59] <shadeslayer> or
[17:00] <shadeslayer> kronos: try making the dep to be 1.4.0 and see if anything breaks
[17:00] <shadeslayer> and pastebin cmake output
[17:01] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what makes you think we do (I don't disagree just wondering)
[17:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah im trying to find out if it will build against a older libakonadi-dev
[17:04] <shadeslayer> kronos: yeah i think you can go ahead and safely downgrade boost to 1.4.0
[17:04] <kronos> shadeslayer: hmm..will try that .
[17:04] <shadeslayer> now i can work on a kio test case :P
[17:05] <shadeslayer> oh my oh my
[17:05] <shadeslayer> someone actually replied to a ticket i opened :P
[17:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: dude, whom do i poke for stuff about KIO :D
[17:13] <Riddell> shadeslayer: maelcum maybe
[17:13] <shadeslayer> ok...
[17:14]  * shadeslayer just needs to check one other thing before poking around in #kde-devel
[17:40] <bulldog98> Riddell: should I upload kdepim to ninjas and rebuild it when kdebase-runtime is finished?
[17:44] <ScottK> http://www.elpauer.org/?p=536 looks nice to have.
[17:44] <ScottK> dantti: Are you supporting screenshots in kpackagekit?
[17:44] <Riddell> bulldog98: yes do upload to ninjas, why do you think it'll need a reload?
[17:45] <ximion> ScottK: He does, the current KPK already displays screenshots :)
[17:45] <ScottK> ximion: Cool.  Thanks.
[17:45] <bulldog98> Riddell: it depends on kdebase-runtime and I think for testing in ninjas we should have everything build on the lates version
[17:46] <ScottK> Riddell: We might want the dlpauer ksnapshot patch mentioned in the blog post ^^^ then.
[17:47] <Riddell> ScottK: it's not a patch, it's a kipi plugin
[17:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: seems in a hurry I shut down arm box #1 ^^
[17:48] <apachelogger> rgreening: ahoy ahoy
[17:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: What?
[17:48] <yofel_> o/
[17:51] <ximion> Could someone please merge PackageKit from Debian experimental into Natty? 
[17:52] <ScottK> apachelogger: Looks like it fell over, but I didn't do it.  Investigating.
[17:52] <Riddell> ximion: probably not immediately, we're downing under things to be packaged just now
[17:52] <Riddell> ximion: but keep poking :)
[17:52] <ximion> Riddell: Should I file a sync request for it?
[17:52] <ximion> :P
[17:53] <Riddell> ximion: yes go ahead
[17:53] <Riddell> ximion: well if it needs synced and not merged that is
[17:54] <ximion> Riddell: I applied all stuff necessary for a transition in Debian already. (At least I hope so :P)
[17:54] <ximion> since it is in experimental, it will need to be synced.
[17:55] <apachelogger> ScottK: no, I think I just issued a halt in the wrong konsole tab
[17:55] <Riddell> ximion: file a sync request then, I'll probably do archive admin stuff tomorrow
[17:56] <ScottK> apachelogger: That would explain it.  It was all the way off when I got to the box.
[17:59]  * apachelogger hopes that pbuilder is capable of crossbuilding
[17:59] <apachelogger> a local xbuild should suffice for the opengl testing and will be much faster then the farm :)
[18:03] <ScottK> Particularly when people randomly shut down servers in the farm that are hosting the build.
[18:07] <ximion> we now have LP: #686099 so this doesn't get lost :)
[18:07] <Riddell> bug 686099
[18:08] <Riddell> that's how to make ubottu happy :)
[18:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: Back in business should you need it again.
[18:11] <dantti> ScottK: yes
[18:14] <kronos> Riddell: built kdepim-runtime for maverick .. can u check the build log http://paste.ubuntu.com/540369/
[18:16] <rbelem> apachelogger, you rock!
[18:17] <apachelogger> I no
[18:17] <rbelem> apachelogger, no dude, you rock!
[18:17] <Riddell> kronos: looks like it worked to me
[18:17] <rbelem> :-)
[18:23] <Riddell> oh KOffice, why do you have so many files?
[18:23] <Riddell> dh_install takes 5 minutes to run
[18:26] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:26] <DarkwingDuck> Hey _G
[18:26] <_Groo_> guys, what channel should i go for filesystems bugs in (k)ubuntu?
[18:26] <DarkwingDuck> Hey _Groo_
[18:26] <_Groo_> hey DarkwingDuck :)
[18:27] <DarkwingDuck> Tab stuck
[18:28] <shadeslayer> kronos: now package kdepim
[18:28] <rbelem> _Groo_, maybe ubuntu kernel channel
[18:28] <shadeslayer> kronos: and then upload both of them to the updates ppa
[18:30] <_Groo_> rbelem: tks, ill try there
[18:31] <rbelem> :-)
[18:36] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: your minons are here
[18:36]  * shadeslayer is busy serving other masters in #kde-devel
[18:37] <aakshay> Riddell: hi. i would like to do packaging further but i din't find the source for them. from where can i get the source?
[18:38] <aakshay> Riddell: like i want to do for kdetoys again but i am not getting source for 4.5.85 beta 2
[18:39] <ScottK> aakshay: Where did you  get the source last time?
[18:40] <aakshay> from "ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/4.5.80/src".. but this is for 4.5.80
[18:41] <Riddell> aakshay: where is your public ssh key again?
[18:41] <ScottK> aakshay: Look in 4.5.95
[18:41] <Riddell> aakshay: he needs access to ktown
[18:41] <ScottK> err 85
[18:41] <ScottK> Ah.  I get it now.
[18:41] <ScottK> That or I could just email it to him.  It's small.
[18:41] <shadeslayer> what debug package do we have for webkitpart ?
[18:41] <aakshay> Riddell: it must be here only.. i have not changed
[18:42]  * shadeslayer cant find any
[18:43] <aakshay> Riddell: i have registered my openGP keys for PPA... 
[18:43] <_Groo_> anyone here has a machine with reiserfs + ecryptfs?
[18:43] <Daskreech> hallo
[18:43] <Riddell> aakshay: yes, what's your launchpad account?
[18:44] <Daskreech> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lbstring
[18:44] <Daskreech> is there a lib bstring library for Kubuntu?
[18:44] <aakshay> Riddell: "akshaytayal"
[18:44] <aakshay> ScottK: do you have source files?
[18:45] <Daskreech> hi aakshay 
[18:45] <ScottK> aakshay: For kdetoys I do.  PM me your email address and i'll send it.
[18:45] <ScottK> It's < 1MB
[18:45] <_Groo_> Riddell: want me to start backporting beta 2 to maverick?
[18:45] <ScottK> 402873 2010-12-06 13:40 kdetoys-4.5.85.tar.bz2
[18:45] <Riddell> _Groo_: could do although I'd rather we finished it for natty first
[18:46] <aakshay> Scottk: my id is "akshaytayal05@gmail.com".. please send on this id.
[18:46] <aakshay> Daskreech: hi Daskreech
[18:46] <_Groo_> Riddell: k, for natty i can only help this weekend, i cant upload anything at work... i wish launchpad would be able to accept uploads via web
[18:47] <ScottK> aakshay: Sent.
[18:48] <ScottK> Riddell: I emailed it to him.
[18:48] <aakshay> ScottK: thankyou.. 
[18:48] <ScottK> aakshay: Thank you for helping out.
[18:49] <aakshay> ScottK: heplping out in what? :)
[18:49] <ScottK> aakshay: Packaging KDE for Kubuntu.
[18:49] <Riddell> _Groo_: but you can do maverick?
[18:50] <aakshay> ScottK: ... :).... my pleasure...
[18:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: for maverick i build it locally and just queue the packages for later upload
[18:51] <_Groo_> Riddell: natty i would use my box at home with virtualbox
[18:51] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.google.com/nexus/#!/features
[18:52] <aakshay> ScottK: can i edit my name in the wiki "https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging" for packaging of kdetoys?
[18:52] <Riddell> _Groo_: ok, well sure go ahead and start building maverick versions of the ones already packaged for natty
[18:53] <yofel> can someone with some bindings knowledge to kdebindings for natty? I gave up and don't really have time for it currently
[18:53] <yofel> s/to/do/
[18:53] <bulldog98> yofel: hi
[18:53] <yofel> hey bulldog98
[18:54] <yofel> I've kdenetwork and artwork finished locally, just waiting for the other packages
[18:56] <Riddell> yofel: are you blocking on kdebase-workspace and -runtime?
[18:57] <bulldog98> yofel: say dep-wait for those
[18:58] <bulldog98> Riddell: that’s what I originally waited for too
[18:58] <Riddell> Quintasan_, neversfelde: what's the status of kdebase-workspace and -runtime?
[18:59] <yofel> Riddell: well, workspace needs bindings first and kdenetwork has libkonq as optional depends now so I need to wait for kdebase if I want to add that
[18:59] <yofel> bulldog98: good idea
[19:00] <aakshay> Riddell: do i need to upload public ssh keys again?
[19:00] <Riddell> aakshay: no ScottK e-mailed kdetoys to you
[19:01] <aakshay> Riddell: ok.. thankyou... :)
[19:01] <Riddell> yofel: ug
[19:02] <yofel> Riddell: by the way, do you know why we don't build kdelibs with gamin/fam?
[19:03] <Riddell> yofel: because we use inotify
[19:03] <yofel> k, thanks
[19:04] <bulldog98> Riddell: I just read https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/GettingInvolved/Development do we have an legend-group?
[19:04] <vHanda> Riddell: which is also crap, btw.
[19:04] <Riddell> vHanda: inotify is?
[19:05] <vHanda> Yes. For one - It doesn't generate proper move events across different hard-drives ( Haven't tried for different partitions )
[19:05] <vHanda> And two - It doesn't generate move events if the destination isn't being watched
[19:06] <vHanda> which means we ( Nepomuk ) have to watch EVERYTHING!! If we want to know where a file has been moved to.
[19:06] <vHanda> and 3 - No copy events!!
[19:07] <vHanda> Riddell: What's the max_user_watches in kubuntu?
[19:07] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1204321 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ (4 files) Make reloading two-staged so that we can both delete things before they become invalid and cause crashes, while at the same time not reloading too early and causing crashes. BUG:259026
[19:07] <vHanda> cat /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches 
[19:08] <Riddell> sysctl.d/30-nepomuk-inotify-limit.conf:fs.inotify.max_user_watches = 524288
[19:08] <Riddell> vHanda: ^^
[19:09] <vHanda> Hmm. Good enough :) Some distros keep it horribly low.
[19:09] <vHanda> and then Nepomuk doesn't work properly.
[19:09] <Riddell> bbigras: legend-group?
[19:22] <shadeslayer> kronos: remove it applied upstream
[19:27] <neversfelde> Riddell: it is work in progress, but as I mentioned yesterday, if I am too slow, somebody should take over. I am not able to do anything with it again before tomorrow evening. Sorry. unexpected work.
[19:28] <Riddell> neversfelde: how far did you get?
[19:29] <neversfelde> all patches seem to work fine without doing anything, but some install files have to be updated because of hal/solid/powerdevil changes and that seems to be much mor complicated as Ithought with kdebase-workspace
[19:29] <Riddell> yofel: want to steal kdebase-workspace off neversfelde?
[19:30] <yofel> just doing accessibility, but once I finished that sure
[19:33] <aakshay> Riddell: i have done packaging of kdetoys 4.5.85 till bzr checkout , now how can i add secret repositories to kdetoys package? 
[19:36] <Riddell> aakshay: bzr diff and pastebin the diff
[19:36] <aakshay> Riddell: sorry.. i dint get it. please explain 
[19:41] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1204332 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationBackend.cpp (log message trimmed)
[19:41] <CIA-24> Don't bump the current transaction pointer on CommitErrors; A
[19:41] <CIA-24> CommitChangesFinished signal will still fire in this case and workerEvent will
[19:41] <shadeslayer> aakshay: run : bzr diff
[19:41] <shadeslayer> and copy paste it to pastebin.com :)
[19:42] <aakshay> shadeslayer: ok.. :)
[19:43] <aakshay> shadeslayer: showing error "bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: "/home/akshay/kdetoys/kdetoys-4.5.85/""
[19:43] <shadeslayer> err
[19:43] <shadeslayer> dude
[19:44] <aakshay> shadeslayer: what?
[19:44] <shadeslayer> run it in the ubuntu folder
[19:44] <shadeslayer> not in the extracted folder
[19:44] <aakshay> ohh..
[19:44] <bulldog98> aakshay: first copy the files under debian back to the ubuntu/debian folder
[19:44] <shadeslayer> you move over the new debian folder from the extracted sources and copy it over the old one
[19:45] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: :)
[19:45] <aakshay> bulldog98: ok.. :)
[19:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any idea where in qt sources i can find QNetworkAccessManager?
[19:50] <shadeslayer> oh nvm
[20:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thiago has narrowed down the issue to http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/network/access/qnetworkaccessmanager.cpp#line942
[20:00] <shadeslayer> see http://www.pastebin.ca/2012229  :: line 376
[20:00] <shadeslayer> ( regarding lp not working in rekonq/konqueror )
[20:00] <shadeslayer> apparently the reply that comes back is a null pointer
[20:01] <shadeslayer> so with gdb konqueror, konqueror crashes :P
[20:01] <hunger> Is there a trick to reenable power management in natty?
[20:02] <shadeslayer> trick?
[20:02] <bulldog98> hunger: wait for wednesday? and kde beta 2 I guess
[20:02] <shadeslayer> yep ^^
[20:02] <bulldog98> hunger: for me it works
[20:02] <shadeslayer> de-halification ftw
[20:03] <hunger> bulldog98: I did install upower and udisks. Anything I am missing?
[20:03]  * bulldog98 dances with shadeslayer the de-halification dance
[20:03] <shadeslayer> hunger: kde beta 4.6 beta 2
[20:03]  * shadeslayer gets out the de-halification party hats
[20:03] <hunger> shadeslayer: Ah, OK.
[20:03] <hunger> yeah for dehalification.
[20:04] <hunger> Linux: Getting rid of technology whenever it finally works in KDE...
[20:04]  * hunger wonders why it is always the gnome guys that come up with the low level stuff.
[20:05] <hunger> Well, I always have to have the latest and greatest... I know what I am getting myself into with that.
[20:06] <hunger> Does work great on the desktop though... just the netbook is a bit dark wrt. screen brightnes.
[20:07] <shadeslayer> iirc theres command to set brightness
[20:07] <shadeslayer> mgraesslin: ^^
[20:07] <shadeslayer> you used to do it all the time @ UDS :P
[20:08] <mgraesslin> one moment, I have to open the script
[20:08] <mgraesslin> it is nvidia specific: nvclock -S -5
[20:09] <hunger> mgraesslin: Thanks, but I am on a netbook with intel chipset.
[20:09] <mgraesslin> sorry, can't help there
[20:09] <hunger> upower should have a way to do it...
[20:11] <ScottK> afiestas probably know.
[20:11] <ScottK> know/knows
[20:11] <bulldog98> hunger: don’t you have keys for that? They use to work ootb
[20:11] <hunger> bulldog98: Those no longer work either.
[20:12] <shadeslayer> i think ill have nightmares after seeing that function
[20:12] <ScottK> hunger: Probably worth a bug on bugs.kde.org then.
[20:12] <bulldog98> hunger: for me they work. Hm
[20:12] <bulldog98> hunger: fully upgraded?
[20:12] <hunger> bulldog98: I do not  even get the dialog showing the level.
[20:12] <hunger> bulldog98: Yeap.
[20:13] <hunger> bulldog98: Solid claims it is using HAL-power as a backend... which is uninstalled here.
[20:13] <bulldog98> hunger: I’ll look for the command
[20:13] <ScottK> hunger: Should definitely be reported upstream then.
[20:13]  * hunger wonders why he has Network management backend listed twice...
[20:15] <hunger> Maybe the kernel is too old... newest ubuntu ones don't boot anymore, so I am stuck at 2.6.37-3
[20:17]  * bulldog98 pastes that to pastebin http://pastbin.ca/2012265
[20:17] <ScottK> hunger: You might consult man upower and see if you can confirm if upower itself is doing any thing useful.
[20:17] <bulldog98> hunger: check if that’s what your keyboard shortcuts (global) say
[20:17] <ScottK> If it's not, then kernel/upower bug mabye.  If it is, then definite kdelibs consideration
[20:17] <hunger> ScottK: I think I'll try to get the kernel updated/working first.
[20:17] <ScottK> OK
[20:20] <ScottK> Riddell: I guess we need to decide Calligra or Koffice on the dvd?
[20:20] <Riddell> oh did that get announced?
[20:21] <Riddell> I expect their release won't be until after 11.04 so it's not an issue
[20:22] <ScottK> I guess.
[20:22] <ScottK> There's mail in kde-devel.
[20:22] <hunger> ScottK: The kernel is fine... the screen turns blank when the splashscreen starts (and then stays blank). no-splash works around the issue.
[20:23] <bulldog98> Riddell: they also did a dot I think
[20:25] <shadeslayer> kronos: pastebin the intial output .. the part where it says : All external packages found
[20:25] <hunger> Yeap, it is kde that is borked. pulling the plug is reported, so upower should work.
[20:28] <ScottK> hunger: OK.  Please file the bug on b.k.o.  Hopefully someone like afiestas will see it and take action.
[20:28] <kronos> shadeslayer: http://pastebin.ca/2012278
[20:29] <yofel> Riddell: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdeaccessibility/4.5.85ubuntu1/+merge/42875
[20:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also http://pastebin.ca/2012273 , kdepim 4.4.8, possible failiure due to a missing 1.4.1 libakonadi-dev ?
[20:30] <shadeslayer> in which case, it should be made a requirement in CMakeLists.txt of kdepim
[20:31] <shadeslayer> kronos: this is kdepim right?
[20:31] <shadeslayer> or runtime?
[20:32] <kronos> shadeslayer: kdepim.... 
[20:32] <Riddell> yofel: looks easy that one :)
[20:32] <yofel> yep :P
[20:32] <kronos> shadeslayer: runtime built fine after the downgrade to 1.4.0
[20:34] <shadeslayer> ohh
[20:34] <shadeslayer> possibly needs the newer runtime?
[20:34] <Riddell> yofel: merged
[20:35] <shadeslayer> yeah i think it needs the newer runtime
[20:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you removed the patch that shouldn't have been removed
[20:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: agateau said it was applied upstream
[20:36] <shadeslayer> and it built fine for Natty and Maverick
[20:36] <shadeslayer> ( against kde 4.6 )
[20:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/kubuntu_02_kalarm_kstatusnotifieritem.diff
[20:37]  * yofel tries bindings again after all
[20:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it's upstream in kde pim 4.6 not 4.4
[20:38] <shadeslayer> :S
[20:39] <shadeslayer> lemme re-check, afaik i could see it applied in 4.4.8
[20:40] <shadeslayer> doh ... its not applied 
[20:41] <shadeslayer> i checked if the patch was applied _after_ doing : quilt push
[20:41] <shadeslayer> :S
[20:42] <shadeslayer> kronos: re-apply that patch
[20:42] <kronos> shadeslayer: did that ... started a looooong build .
[20:42] <shadeslayer> :P
[20:42] <kronos> shadeslayer: last time it went till 70% .. :(
[20:42] <shadeslayer> you can restart the build from where it left off
[20:43] <kronos> i came out of the chroot..
[20:43] <bulldog98> kronos: jep kdepim took me an hour with 4 processes
[20:43] <kronos> bulldog98: hmmmm .. 
[20:44]  * yofel advises to use ccache
[20:44]  * bulldog98 will use tmpfs next time to build kdepim
[20:45] <bulldog98> yofel: can you remind me that next time I try to build kdepim?
[20:45] <shadeslayer> patch needed a refresh
[20:45] <yofel> sure
[20:46] <bulldog98> yofel: yeha dude
[20:46] <shadeslayer> ok im going to rebuild it now, how do you use tmpfs?
[20:46]  * bulldog98 hugs yofel
[20:46] <yofel> I tried to build kdepim for neon though, took ~6GiB
[20:46] <shadeslayer> i already have ccache
[20:46] <yofel> shadeslayer: you mount /var/cache/pbuilder/build as tmpfs
[20:47] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: do a debootstrap of natty, install everything you need add an tmpfs to /var/debootstrap/tmpfs
[20:47] <shadeslayer> and whats the advantage?
[20:47] <bulldog98> and copy the files over, then do a chroot /var/debootstrap/tmpfs
[20:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: installing build-deps takes less than a minute
[20:47] <bulldog98> shadeslayer: your IO doesn’t matters anymore
[20:48] <bulldog98> yofel: that’s the other way
[20:48] <yofel> I used that since I already had pbuilder set up, was easier in that case
[20:48] <shadeslayer> ahh
[20:50] <hrw> just need more memory
[20:51] <hrw> you can grab 'eatmydata' package from debian and try to use it with chroot/pbuilder
[20:51] <hrw> it disables fsync()
[20:51] <Riddell> that sounds scary
[20:51] <shadeslayer> it does, doesnt it :D
[20:51] <yofel> eatmydata is in natty, but since dpkg uses sync() not fsync() it doesn't help that much
[20:52] <hrw> yofel: it does sync/fsync etc
[20:52] <yofel> well, didn't make much difference here when I added it to LD_PRELOAD
[20:52] <shadeslayer> ill fix this patch tommorow, i fear i might break something else with the new upload since im all sorts of sleepy
[20:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what patch needs fixing?
[20:53] <shadeslayer> kubuntu_02_kalarm_kstatusnotifieritem
[20:53] <shadeslayer> doesnt apply cleanly
[20:53] <Riddell> it doesn't?  but I tidied it up for my lucid build
[20:53] <shadeslayer> http://pastebin.com/t2Wg8e66 is the new one
[20:53] <shadeslayer> oh
[20:54] <shadeslayer> well, i was still using the old one :)
[20:54] <kronos> shadeslayer: try the one Riddell gave .. it does apply..
[20:54] <shadeslayer> probably does :)
[20:54] <yofel> Riddell: here's what makes bindings fail: dh_install: libqwt-ruby1.8 missing files (usr/lib/ruby/1.8/*/qwt.so), aborting
[20:55] <yofel> that file went missing somehow..
[20:55] <Riddell> yofel: just comment out the package in debian/control
[20:55] <Riddell> nothing uses it
[20:56] <shadeslayer> kronos: shouldnt be required now 
[20:56] <yofel> Riddell: also, how do you know if I'm on the kde-packager ML? I filed a bug that got set to resolved/fixed but haven't gotten a mail yet
[20:56] <yofel> s/you/I/
[20:57] <Riddell> yofel: e-mail sent at Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 16:16:17 +0100 to it
[20:57] <Riddell> Subject: Re: KDE 4.5.85 (KDE 4.6 Beta2) uploaded (try #1)
[20:59] <yofel> Riddell: nope, nothing, guess I'll ask what happened :/
[21:19]  * Riddell fires up new Amarok beta
[21:19] <Riddell> ah lovely, Shakira sounds just as good as ever
[21:23] <Riddell> markey, jefferai: the fingerprinting stuff needs libavcodec from ffmpeg?
[21:23] <jefferai> Riddell: no idea
[21:23] <Riddell> does it still use mysql?
[21:27] <markey> Riddell: not sure, sorry
[21:28] <markey> Riddell: please ask in our dev channel or dev ML to make sure
[21:29] <yofel> Riddell: anything of that needs to be included? http://paste.ubuntu.com/540432/  site-packages stuff is all already in pyshared
[21:33] <JontheEchidna> lol: http://i.imgur.com/sl1LY.png
[21:33] <yofel> lol :D
[21:34] <yofel> even windows has learned from kde 4.0 :P
[21:34]  * yofel ducks
[21:38] <yofel> Riddell: I'm on the ML now, admin made a typo in my mail address ...
[21:50] <Daskreech> yofel: \o/ Hooray for more obtuse customization!
[21:50] <yofel> hehe
[22:00] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that is one slick phone
[22:00]  * apachelogger is totally drowning in class diagrams
[22:00] <apachelogger> oh how I hate design
[22:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: so, google finally realised that htc makes crappy phones? ^^
[22:02] <apachelogger> also my minions are late... I aleady made a package myself
[22:02] <apachelogger> aakshay: fancy investigating how much space it would require to put the firefox on the cd?
[22:05] <apachelogger> rbelem: so, why in particular do I rock?
[22:06] <ScottK> New tarballs for libs/pimlibs/network/sdk for the beta.
[22:06] <ScottK> FYI
[22:07] <yofel> more works for me \o/
[22:07] <yofel> *sigh*
[22:07] <yofel> s/works/work/
[22:07] <yofel> bulldog98: ^
[22:08] <yofel> ScottK: would that be 4.5.85a or just 4.5.85 ?
[22:09] <rbelem> apachelogger, you made a great job in the n900 wiki page
[22:10] <apachelogger> oh
[22:10] <ScottK> yofel: If it's just in ninjas I think keep it 4.5.85, but I don't recall for sure.
[22:10] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^^?
[22:10] <apachelogger> rbelem: just watch me make plasma-mobile fast :P
[22:10] <ScottK> yofel's question
[22:10] <yofel> it's just ninjas
[22:11]  * rbelem hugs apachelogger 
[22:11] <apachelogger> ScottK, yofel: what is the topic?
[22:11]  * rbelem pokes apachelogger belly
[22:11]  * apachelogger hugs rbelem back
[22:11] <Riddell> yofel: in theory you can delete it from ninjas and reupload with the same version number but it hasn't worked when I've tried it in the past
[22:11] <Riddell> so I've always just done the "a" thing
[22:11] <ScottK> apachelogger: That one ^^^
[22:12] <apachelogger> no pocking in the belly, I might vomit class diagrams
[22:12] <apachelogger> ScottK, yofel: what jr said ;)
[22:12]  * ScottK looks for a long stick.
[22:12] <rbelem> :-D
[22:12] <yofel> Riddell: I think you need to wait for the janitor to run, meaning almost a day to reupload, since it doesn't delete the old files immediately, I'll use a then
[22:12]  * apachelogger notes that he is now for almost 24h trying to compile qt ^^
[22:13] <apachelogger> on a positive note icecc seems to be working in the maverick pbuilder now
[22:14]  * yofel wonders why icecc only thinks systems with the same or more cpu power are usable...
[22:14] <apachelogger> yofel: that is not what it thinks
[22:14] <apachelogger> it just disfavors them
[22:15] <yofel> well, even if I build with -j20 my core2duo never get's anything to do, if I build on my core2 things are sent to my i7 though
[22:16]  * yofel hopes he can drop both patches in network with the new tarball
[22:16] <rbelem> yofel, bad load balance algorithm
[22:17] <apachelogger> yofel: well, where is the scheduler?
[22:18] <apachelogger> cause I think the scheduler will always distribute to the node with the lowest latency, even if others would have free load for jobs (scheduler being on the same machine as the compile could thus result in such a situation)
[22:19] <yofel> apachelogger: on my core2 system, since that's the pc that's on all the time, icemon shows both pcs fine
[22:19] <apachelogger> hm
[22:20] <apachelogger> yofel: go talk to coolo
[22:28] <yofel> Riddell: back to bindings, here's list-missing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/540432/ should I add the smoke stuff somewhere?
[22:29] <Riddell> yofel: gosh, it compiled
[22:29] <yofel> had to disable the package and disable some qwt stuff in another install file
[22:29] <yofel> still doesn't build with qimageblitz though, segfaults during build
[22:30] <Riddell> yes that's what I had before
[22:30] <Riddell> might be worth asking rdale about that
[22:30] <Riddell> those smoke includes go into libsmokeqt4-dev.install
[22:31] <Riddell> the new smoke libraries probably need new packages for each one
[22:32] <yofel> k, I'll do it after I updated the other packages
[22:32] <Riddell> the qtdeclarative bits into libqt4-ruby1.8.install
[22:48] <apachelogger> hm
[22:48] <apachelogger> kate is not really good at searching in a 100k lines file
[22:49] <tsimpson> it's not great at >200 line files either
[22:50] <tsimpson> grep and sed usually come to my rescue
[22:54] <yofel> Riddell: do I have to add a 4 to the end of the smoke package names? libsmokeqt3support4 sounds strange
[22:54] <Riddell> yofel: yes
[22:54] <yofel> k
[22:54] <Riddell> strange, but true
[23:19] <Riddell> amarok done, koffice done
[23:20] <ari-tczew> clementine will be done soon :)
[23:20] <ari-tczew> apachelogger: can I ping you for again review of clementine when I will update?
[23:21] <apachelogger> supposedly
[23:21] <Riddell> ari-tczew: if apachelogger has gone mad you can ping other people like me instead
[23:22] <ari-tczew> thanks Riddell for suggestion (:
[23:29] <yofel> Riddell: sdk updated https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~yofel/kdesdk/4.5.85a/+merge/42887 ok?
[23:30] <Riddell> yofel: perfect
[23:30] <yofel> Riddell: by the way, I just tested backporting kdelibs (3) to maverick, seems to work fine here, with qalculate at least
[23:30] <apachelogger> oggy oggy oggy!
[23:32] <Riddell> yofel: why is that useful again?
[23:32] <yofel> Riddell: our beta backports make kde3 stuff uninstallable (kde4libs breaks older kdelibs than natty)
[23:33] <yofel> I have it in a ppa if you want to test something else, or can I copy it to beta?
[23:35] <Riddell> yofel: oh yes, go ahead and copy to beta
[23:35] <yofel> thanks
[23:36] <Riddell> kde-l10n, it's even slower than koffice!
[23:37] <yofel> cool, seems like bindings finished fine
[23:37]  * yofel goes doing bzr stuff..
[23:39] <Riddell> yofel: truly you are a ninja if you can package kdebindings!
[23:39] <yofel> thanks :P
[23:41] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1204378 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/ApplicationBackend.cpp This comment is inaccurate due to some code changes, so update it
[23:45] <yofel> Riddell: by the way, did you drop kubuntu_05_fix_pykde4_typedefs.diff last time? The patch is in bzr, but not in natty archive
[23:47] <CIA-24> [muon] jmthomas * 1204379 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/installer/categories.xml We don't have a suitable way of displaying raw packages for things like the Fonts category, so disable the Fonts category until we do.
[23:47] <Riddell> yofel: yes I did, that should be able to be deleted now
[23:48] <yofel> more like you didn't commit the natty changes to bzr it seems
[23:48] <yofel> bzr is at 4:4.5.3-0ubuntu2
[23:49] <Riddell> that'll be the problem
[23:50] <yofel> Riddell: do you want to commit something? I'll wait. Or should I do the merge anyway adding the missing diff?
[23:51] <Riddell> yofel: do the merge anyway adding the missing diff
[23:51] <yofel> k