[00:01] claydoh: http://www.areamobile.de/img/00/00/23/54/13.jpg [00:02] now why would one want to use a stick with thier phone? :P [00:03] for websites that do not have finger friendly versions [00:05] apachelogger: how big is the screen? [00:06] apachelogger: would you know how to go about making a .xml file translatable? [00:06] * claydoh wants a mobile device so bad it itches [00:06] JontheEchidna: what sort of xml? [00:06] claydoh: regular [00:07] something like this: http://pastebin.com/KuQ6ipFp [00:07] same size as the htc magic [00:07] regular [00:07] just needs the Name tab translated [00:07] ok [00:07] s/tab/tag [00:07] that said, about the same size as every htc touchy phone of 2009/2010 [00:08] JontheEchidna: not sure, maybe KDE has a scripty for it, otherwise you could just write your own [00:08] building a pot is not terribly difficult [00:08] ahh that mean it is small :) [00:08] small compared to what? [00:09] my wife has the 4 inch amoled samsung, yours is about 3.2 [00:09] it is not the size of a tablet, otherwise it would be kubuntu tablet in the video :P [00:09] hm [00:09] then 4 is a bit large IMHO [00:09] JontheEchidna: do you happen to know anything about plasma-tablet btw? [00:10] not really, I guess but it is our first mobile phone since about 1994 [00:10] what's that? [00:10] I remember someone doing some ground works on that [00:10] JontheEchidna: I suppose not then ^^ [00:10] http://www.osnews.com/story/23686/KDE_Shows_Its_Plasma_Tablet_Interface [00:11] if I had a tablet we could start work on that as well ^^ [00:11] everthing looks tiny to me in comparison [00:12] Work on? [00:12] seems tablet is based on plasma-mobile [00:12] or sharing code or something [00:12] so it would be close enough a project to do along kubuntu mobile [00:12] DarkwingDuck: kubuntu tablet [00:12] Why not use netbook for tablet? [00:13] That's what I was doing for this hybred [00:13] netbook is not made for touch interaction really [00:14] surely one can use it, but it is not as suiteable as it coudl be === muesli_ is now known as muesli [01:14] well then [01:14] issue no one: omap graphics driver is not installed [01:15] issue no two: kwin fails to activate desktop effects so I would supose plasma does software paintaing without hardware accel thus being incredibly slow [01:15] no 2 probably depends on martin's opengl es stuff things [01:15] issue no three: ksmserver cannot halt with nodm [01:37] good evening, can someone tell me why the phonon-backend is moving to gstreamer? (i'd hate to be bothering, so if i am, please let me know, i won't mind) [01:38] PS: i get why because of xine, but why not vlc. [01:41] http://apachelog.wordpress.com/2010/12/03/kubuntu-11-04-sneak-peek-uds-cookie/ [01:42] apachelogger: thanks, let me go read it :) [01:54] * apachelogger is wondering if our qt is opengl es enabled [01:57] * GabrielYYZ feels stupid now for asking the vlc-gstreamer question... [01:57] thanks for the link though, the blog post and the comments sorted it out [01:57] GabrielYYZ: no need to, generally that is a good question :) [01:59] but... the gstreamer-backend doesn't have all the gnome dependencies (such as gconf, etc...) [01:59] those are coming in by plugins IIRC [01:59] though we are probably going to sort that out a bit [01:59] last I checked there was only one part that dragged in a whole bunch of gnome libaries [02:02] yeah, those dependencies are off putting, i don't use bleachbit because of them [02:14] hm [02:14] ScottK: it would appear to me that our Qt is not opengl es enabled [02:14] then again I am not entirely sure how to check [02:15] at teh very least some QWS stuf fis not defined and in some QWS source file it is taking about it in an Qt for Embedded Linux context [02:20] omg [02:20] 3:20 already [02:20] * apachelogger should go to bed at some point ^^ [02:23] aha! [02:23] go to bed :) [02:23] nah [02:23] just found something super important [02:23] meego builds Qt with es2 on arm [02:23] which makes about 300% sense [02:24] * apachelogger heads on over to the kubuntu arm farm [02:24] oh, that sounds silly [02:24] my oh my [02:25] you sound super excited :) [02:25] well [02:26] my theory is that plasma mobile runs like shit on the n900 because it cannot do proper acceleration [02:26] and that is because our Qt is built with special suport for its special version of opengl [02:26] that is just a theory though [02:27] what the heck? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/60159605/buildlog_ubuntu-natty-i386.muon_1.0.80-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [02:27] JontheEchidna produces broken software [02:27] I knew it [02:28] the libraries it apparently cannot link are right there in the output [02:28] :O [02:28] JontheEchidna: well, maybe kde broke abi? [02:28] it built fine in pbuilder [02:28] hm [02:28] I blame it on gcc then [02:28] plus I know DebconfKde hasn't complained at all [02:29] that thing makes nothing but troubles in natty [02:29] s/complained/changed [02:29] (dunno where that came from) [02:29] JontheEchidna: you built the exactly same package in pbuilder? [02:29] *exactly* [02:29] oh, yeah. doko sent an email complaining that I never tested it [02:29] apachelogger: yes [02:30] pff [02:30] that is odd [02:30] *ver* [02:30] +y [02:30] I'll even do it again for good measure [02:37] apachelogger: Isn't Qt for QWS an entirely separate source? [02:38] doesnt look like it [02:38] ScottK: I'll kick off a build that should activate es2 on arm [02:39] apachelogger: It was at one point. Maybe sense prevailed and it is now combined. [02:39] oh, right. I remember [02:39] QApt hadn't published in my ppa so I did a debuild of muon [02:39] maybe in qtopia times [02:40] apachelogger: If you can eradicate the rest of -f no-stack-protector from the build, that would be good too. [02:40] but I saw this error before and worked around it by installing binutils-gold. (gold links it fine) [02:40] JontheEchidna: so you produce faulty software after all :P [02:40] no, the ld linker is busted [02:40] stupid ld [02:40] JontheEchidna: Are you linking in the right order? [02:40] linking in the right order? [02:40] ScottK: already started [02:40] should it turn out useful I'll kick that stuff too [02:40] OK [02:41] /usr/lib/icecc/icecc-create-env: line 43: file: command not found [02:41] yay [02:42] JontheEchidna: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/12/msg00115.html [02:42] * apachelogger aports [02:42] -p +b [02:42] I do not have control over link order [02:42] JontheEchidna: Also http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2010/12/msg00113.html , but it's not as clear. [02:42] Sure you do. [02:43] nope, I already have put libmuon at the end of the CMake link targets [02:43] but it's definitely not last [02:44] hmm, well moving libmuon to the first fixed things [02:44] JontheEchidna: static libs are evil like that [02:45] * apachelogger recalls having similar foobar in his gsoc project [02:45] well, I could have at least done without a snarky email from doko :/ [02:46] * apachelogger hugs JontheEchidna and reminds him that mr doko was responsible for build fails all over the place thanks to silly gcc ;) [02:47] [pbuilder-hooks] Harald Sitter * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20101206024644-kh7st5ub5jh1k62o * D20icecc also install file, since the env creation depends on it and maverick chroot does not contain it [02:48] * apachelogger retries building [02:48] [muon] jmthomas * 1204045 * trunk/extragear/sysadmin/muon/ (4 files in 4 dirs) Move libmuon to the top of the link list, so that ld can link when the --as-needed flag is passed to it. (gold is unaffected) [02:49] * apachelogger likes reading spec files [02:49] JontheEchidna, ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/540148/ looks interesting, does it not? [02:50] * apachelogger notes that meego has a connman-qt lib btw [02:50] interesting indeed [02:52] hm [02:52] -DQT_RX71_MULTITOUCH=1 [02:52] build switch for qt [02:52] sounds useful [02:57] * apachelogger is off to bed [02:57] nini [06:38] I <3 KUBUNTU [06:40] lol [06:40] :) [06:40] I have to take back my complaint about sound from earlier [06:40] my headphones are working tonight [06:41] so maybe I just needed a restart [06:41] sound control is wonky in 10.10 though [06:41] still <3 Kubuntu as well [06:41] crimsun: ^^ === agateau_ is now known as agateau === tazz_ is now known as gaurav [08:30] hi [08:30] any informations when kde 4.6b1 will be fully instalable on natty/amd64? [08:33] vorian: I thought crimsun had moved away from sound [08:33] I wouldn't blame him, it's a swamp full of unseen creatures === Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz === hunger_ is now known as hunger === freeflyi1g is now known as freeflying [09:23] valorie: its not that he's moved away from sound....its that he's leaving ubuntu in general [09:24] valorie his work is going to leave no opportunities for contributions anymore, starting sometime in the next few months [09:24] oh, I didn't realize [09:24] that sucks a bit [09:25] for those of us with sound difficulties [09:25] he trained some folks over the last year to be able to handle some stuff [09:25] and he gave a recommendation to canonical for a guy who knows sound, and he got hired [09:27] good deal! [09:29] valorie: there is always mac osx [09:30] * apachelogger loves how qt on arm decided not to build due to es2 stuff missing [09:32] apachelogger: I love kubuntu, even when I have difficulties [09:33] I went through my Mac phase .... maybe before you were born [09:33] lol [09:34] and I think that mac is still in the back of a closet somewhere [09:34] http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ this guy just keeps on ripping on ubuntu [09:34] * apachelogger would be ripping on kubuntu, much easier target [09:34] its more like ubuntu-hater's blog. [09:34] valorie: I never had a thing with the mac [09:34] not my type [09:35] me and my Mac SE20 were good buddies [09:35] :p [09:35] for quite a long time [09:35] I only used MacOS but not Mac [09:35] * apachelogger once used a system called windows [09:35] oh oh oh [09:36] apachelogger: 1.01? [09:36] hrw: what does an apachelogger have to do to get ppas equipped with some sort of arm building machinery? [09:36] :O [09:36] oh my good I so cant believe you just said that [09:36] apachelogger: no idea - I do cross builds [09:36] I am no where as old as windows 1.01!!! [09:36] * hrw used windows 1.01 ~10 years ago [09:37] hm [09:37] no one at dorm was able to run it - we had slow enough machine [09:37] oh [09:37] ^^ [09:38] ScottK: we need more arm machines [09:38] I used Win 95 through Win2Kpro [09:38] apachelogger: 386sx/25, 5MB ram etc was enough [09:38] alternatively I could get myself a cross build env set up [09:38] 5 or 6 years [09:38] anyway - someone know when kde4.6b1 will be installable in natty/amd64? [09:38] hrw: is there any idiot proof guide to xcomiling for arm? [09:39] hrw: supposedly when it is all built, what is the hold back right now? [09:39] hrw: my first computer was an 8086, with 80K! [09:39] apachelogger: kdebase-apps kdebase-data kdebase-workspace kdebase-workspace-data kdelibs5-data phonon [09:39] and a cassette tape drive [09:39] valorie: original ibm pc era? [09:39] It was a Coleco ADAM [09:39] lol [09:39] ohhhh [09:40] valorie: my first was atari 65xe. but I am 1976 [09:40] hrw: what happens if you apt-get install them manually? [09:40] I think that was around 84 [09:40] not sure [09:40] my kids were little [09:40] in 1984 I was still living at home [09:40] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/T5vfJ63F [09:41] in particular that year we probably had invented wine, yes, we did invent it for a whole year, it sure was a long process *phew* [09:42] apachelogger: http://hrw.pastebin.com/VuHQuFJm is aptitude [09:44] bah [09:44] your system is the broken [09:44] i had important info for rbelem [09:44] did anyone take up kdepim 4.4.8/ [09:44] shadeslayer: and you were too lazy to do stuff? [09:44] you are soooo lazy :P [09:44] * apachelogger hugs shadeslayer [09:44] apachelogger: lazy eh? [09:44] i was fishing for info [09:45] * shadeslayer hugs apachelogger [09:45] also [09:45] reading up on make... [09:45] hrw: ah, sseems you are blocked on arch:all packages, so I suppose i386 is a bit behind [09:45] kdebase-bin : Depends: kdebase-data (= 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu1) but 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu2 is to be installed [09:45] that ought to be the root of the problem right there [09:46] apparently you can run debian on the desire, so i suppose the same thing can be followed for kubuntu mobile [09:47] just need to get rbelem to see that ... [09:47] apachelogger: ok, will wait then - no time to run build locally [09:48] shadeslayer: nvm kubuntu-mobile [09:48] it is the crap [09:48] eh... [09:48] you said it is the future :] [09:48] about as responsive as a service hotline [09:48] hahaha .... :P [09:49] which is probably still more responsive than android with 3 apps open [09:49] silly android always needs to shuffle around memory [09:49] possibly label it as a pre-alpha tech preview [09:49] it is like gstreamer for phones [09:49] apachelogger: you have what ... 2.1? [09:49] oh, there is gstreamer for phones, scratch that [09:49] ... [09:49] ( android version ) [09:50] packaging todo: kdevelop (should be done, just needs checking), amarok, koffice (why bother, koffice isn't even going to exist past tomorrow), kdepim 4.4.8 (in triplicate) and 4.6 beta 2 [09:50] easy peasy [09:50] ill take up 4.4.8 [09:50] i need a server to parallel build .... [09:51] hrw: interestingly enough kdebas seems to be built... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase [09:51] shadeslayer: oh, how woudl I know [09:51] * apachelogger stopped tracking that a while ago [09:51] android has silly release policies anyway [09:51] if one would want to call google-nails-another-deal a policy [09:51] *nod* [09:52] apachelogger: what phone do you have anyways? [09:52] * shadeslayer didnt properly see it at UDS [09:52] an n900 [09:52] it used to beep so loudly in the morning :P [09:52] apachelogger: the other one :P [09:52] dunno [09:52] magic I think [09:53] HTC Magic? :P [09:53] possibly [09:53] oh [09:53] yeah [09:53] the loud beeping [09:53] I HATE IT FOR THAT [09:53] you know you can change the beep [09:53] i rather liked it... wakes me right up in the morning [09:53] the n900 just woke me up with nice sounds that made sweet love to my ears, waking me slowly from my slumber [09:54] in general I must say that the n900's sounds are of very very very very very high quality and smooth and whatnot [09:54] whereas all android sounds I have heared thus far were like blitzkrieg or something [09:54] omg .. gsmareana says .. OS : Android OS [09:54] no version :O [09:54] looks like 1.6 tho [09:55] apachelogger: you have obsolete OS [09:55] on your Magic [09:56] Riddell: do we need kdepim 4.4.8 for natty? [09:56] or are we using the new 4.5 one [09:57] apachelogger: kdebase/natty source is 4.5.80-0ubuntu1 here (after apt-get update) [09:58] shadeslayer: yes we do, we haven't changed to 4.6 for natty kde pim and won't without lots of testing first [09:58] ok.. [09:58] * shadeslayer hates dolphin+sftp [09:58] asks me for my password each time i go into a folder [10:00] * shadeslayer also needs to finish kubuntu-web-shortcuts [10:00] shadeslayer: dolphin? what is it ;D [10:01] shadeslayer: unlikely since I used to patch it [10:01] * hrw still uses mc for filemanagement [10:01] since I was hoping for android to become less crappy [10:01] did not really work out [10:01] hrw: when i go to ktown to get sources, it asks me for my ssh passphrase everytime i open a folder [10:01] apachelogger: patch it? you compiled stuff etc? [10:01] shadeslayer: ever heard of ssh-agent? [10:02] yes [10:02] should not it keep pass? [10:02] shadeslayer: dude, I am supreme haxx0r, of course I did.... [10:02] yes, but dunno why dolphin keeps asking [10:02] oh [10:02] that remidns me [10:02] apachelogger: kewl :D [10:02] * apachelogger throws https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/n900 at yofel_ in case he wants to brick his n900 [10:03] oh nice [10:05] ../../include/QtCore/../../src/corelib/tools/qstring.h:187:14: note: the mangling of 'va_list' has changed in GCC 4.4 [10:05] :O [10:05] I hate it, hate it, hate it [10:05] whee ... gcc 4.4 [10:06] * apachelogger wonders what that bug was again [10:07] Riddell: kdepim 4.4.8 (in triplicate) << what do you mean by triplicate? :P [10:08] omg ktown is so slow [10:08] slooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwww [10:08] maybe it is you :P [10:08] im lazy .. not slow [10:09] like ... im downloading at 8 KBps [10:09] kdebase-workspace-bin is 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu3 in archive still? [10:09] shadeslayer: natty, kubuntu-ppa (updates) and kubuntu-ppa/beta [10:10] its not beta.... why should it go into beta? [10:10] or are you talking about 4.6? [10:11] yes [10:16] Riddell: KDE PIM 4.6 for natty as well? [10:16] in beta ppa [10:19] shadeslayer: KDE PIM 4.6 for natty will go to kubuntu-ppa/experimental [10:19] ohk [10:21] Riddell: have you looked into pim beta 2? [10:21] apachelogger: is everything fine with my kubuntu-web-shortcuts and kubuntu-konqueror-shortcuts packages in : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=natty [10:22] i can then squash the changelog into on and ask for a sponsor [10:22] s/on/one [10:24] bulldog98: not yet but will do this morning [10:24] * hrw moves from Polish to German ubuntu mirror to get fresh packages [10:24] ok [10:25] apachelogger: btw you talked about asynchronous loading in urlbar of rekonq, can you compile from git and check if its fixed? [10:25] because i _think_ its fixed now, but just to be sure ... [10:26] strange... http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kdebase-workspace/kdebase-workspace-bin_4.5.80-0ubuntu5_amd64.deb but "apt-cache policy kdebase-workspace-bin" says that 4:4.5.80-0ubuntu3 is latest [10:26] hrw: possibly the list isnt updated? [10:26] probably [10:26] the one where all the new packages get indexed etc [10:28] Need to get 1,074MB/1,210MB of archives. ..... -.- [10:28] 4 hours till i get kde 4.6 [10:29] meh [10:29] something is off with my icecc hook in maverick :( [10:30] oh [10:30] i need to figure out icecc foo as well [10:30] apachelogger: can you link me up to some extra compilers online? :P [10:30] no [10:31] your intarwebs is crap [10:31] i haz a 512 Kbps connection .. [10:31] that is what I said [10:31] crap [10:31] youd need at least 10mbit or something [10:31] how much do i need? [10:32] :O [10:32] even then I doubt it would make sense to do icecreaming over the intarwebs [10:32] way too slow [10:32] hmm [10:34] this is silly [10:34] why would icecc fail in mav while it works in natty [10:42] I fear it does not export the gcc properly [10:42] though I do not know why === jan is now known as Guest38976 [11:24] hey, anyone knows which binary provides the strigi|nepomuk systray icon? [11:32] agateau: probably ubottu if you ask nicely [11:33] shadeslayer: define "ask nicely" :) [11:33] you need the right parameters to pass to !find [11:33] :> [11:33] agateau: I don't seem to have a nepomuk systray icon in 4.6 [11:33] someone messed up then :P [11:34] Riddell: yes, it seems it's gone [11:34] Riddell: too bad that was one way to reproduce the bug I am hunting [11:34] hold on ill ask upstream if theyre around [11:34] Riddell: the other way being kpackagekit, but I can't get the KSNI to show for this one anymore either :/ [11:35] yeah [11:35] upstream removed the icon :P [11:35] shadeslayer: ok thanks [11:37] agateau: incoming upstream :P [11:37] shadeslayer: heh :) [11:37] Okay. I'm here. [11:37] agateau: vHanda is nepomuk dev, and seems he removed the icon :P [11:37] Tell me about the bug. [11:37] vHanda: the bug is not really about nepomuk, sorry [11:38] vHanda: it's just that the systray icon was a nice way to reproduce kde bug 241562 [11:38] KDE bug 241562 in widget-systemtray "Plasma crash on different situations (Kubuntu, DBusMenuImporter) [KJob::isAutoDelete, Plasma::ServiceJob::setResult, StatusNotifierItemJob::contextMenuReady, , DBusMenuImporter]" [Crash,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=241562 [11:38] * vHanda likes ubottu [11:38] vHanda: do you know where the systray icon code was? [11:39] agateau: Yes. kdebase/runtime/nepomuk/services/strigi [11:39] I removed it during Akademy. [11:39] vHanda: thanks, I'll check what it did [11:39] :) [11:39] for n900 i should download omap3 or omap4 ? [11:40] :) [11:40] agateau: If there are ANY Nepomuk bugs that are irritating you. Please feel free to bug me. [11:40] vHanda: ok thanks [11:41] vHanda: You may want to answer to this report btw: kde bug 258473 [11:41] KDE bug 258473 in general "No Nepomuk systray icon anymore" [Normal,New] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258473 [11:41] (not from me) [11:54] holy death star [11:54] * apachelogger throws the n900 out the window [11:59] throw it over to me ;) [12:05] no [12:05] it will drive you mad [12:07] I only have a n800, so it must be better than that. right? [12:08] I find this hard to believe [12:09] * apachelogger needs to tweak kubuntu-mobile-default-settingss [12:17] i agree with apachelogger [12:18] the hardware on n900 sucked. [12:25] eh [12:25] really? [12:25] i thought since it has a GPU etc it would be fast [12:25] apachelogger: send it to me! :P [12:27] no!!!! [12:27] shipping to india is the expensive [12:28] building qt takes so long *sing* [12:29] plasma-mobile is so fat it uses half the ram [12:32] apachelogger: ill pay the expenses ... how much would they be anyways :P [12:33] 300000000000 euros [12:33] that is like 3000000000000000000000000000000003821340 usd [12:33] also .. i think its possible that i can use my phone to compile stuff on ARM [12:33] but... that will tak a epic long time [12:33] that is like 13040405005058382021049^23845+2353535i in your money thing [12:34] lol ... imaginary numbers ^_^ [12:34] probably :D [12:34] omg ... imaginary money :F [12:34] :D [12:34] you know [12:34]