[00:40] <BUGabundo> nite
[00:56] <dooglus> what's the package to install to get a 'regular' (ubuntu 10.10 default) GNOME shell?
[00:57] <dooglus> is it even possible in the current 11.04 alpha?
[00:58] <charlie-tca> It is already installed. Just choose "Classic Desktop" in session when logging in
[00:59] <dooglus> thanks
[01:00] <dooglus> I tried booting the live ISO, but it doesn't work well - the persistance file isn't used, I can't install the bcmwl wireless driver I need, etc.
[01:00] <dooglus> so to test it, it seems I'm going to have to install
[01:00] <dooglus> but don't think I'm going to want to use Unity as is currently stands
[01:29] <F3RR1S> after searching google for the location of xorg.conf I thought maybe someone here might know where it is located... I need to add refresh rate
[01:30] <F3RR1S> I thought that it would be located in the /etc/X11 but it is not there
[01:31] <Volkodav> then create one
[01:31] <Volkodav> old linux rule - if it does not exist - crete it
[01:31] <Volkodav> create*
[01:32] <F3RR1S> yeah... alright. Will do.
[01:53] <F3RR1S> does ubuntu 11.04 use a something other than xorg.conf?
[02:01] <yofel> X uses auto configuration since a while ago and doesn't need an xorg.conf anymore. The xorg.conf file can be used to override the auto-configuration though
[02:58] <F3RR1S> yofel_, how can I reconfigure the auto-configuration?
[02:59] <F3RR1S> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg did nothing (or was silent)
[04:01] <tux414> Hey ALL
[04:02] <tux414> If anyone could help me with this issue please let me know. I have a gateway NV79 with Intel core i3 processor and intel HD Graphics card. I am having trouble viewing the screen when I upgrade to 10.10. (The screen is completely dark until I do the system testing.) I can only view things on the laptop when i complete the system check.
[04:02] <virtuald> f3rr1s: just remove xorg.conf and restart x
[04:03] <virtuald> f3rr1s: or maybe X -configure still does something
[04:05] <Volkodav> tux414: read the topic please
[04:05] <F3RR1S> virtuald, i doubt that removing xorg.conf is going to do something since i did no have one.... but i did create one  and then removed it because i really did not want to screw something up... but i will try the x-configure.... and see
[04:05] <F3RR1S> sudo X-configure does nothing
[04:09] <F3RR1S> Xorg-configure & X-configure = command not found
[04:09] <F3RR1S> ran as root
[04:11] <F3RR1S> however I am looking on the X.org page
[04:14] <F3RR1S> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is silent, returns no info, and no configuration comes up
[04:15] <virtuald> -configure is listed in xorg's man page, you probably have to run it in the console
[04:15] <F3RR1S> I did and am logged in as root
[04:15] <F3RR1S> through the console
[04:16] <F3RR1S> no man pages for xorg
[04:16] <F3RR1S> nv
[04:16] <F3RR1S> i mis-typed that
[04:19] <virtuald> if x is already running it will fail
[04:20] <F3RR1S> yeah it failed
[04:20] <F3RR1S> I am looking for a way to stop x so that i can configure it
[04:21] <virtuald> hmm
[04:21] <virtuald> sudo X -configure :1
[04:21] <virtuald> try that
[04:22] <virtuald> or sudo service gdm stop
[05:59] <coz_> good day all
[07:09] <coz_> hey guys...when trying to install kubuntu desktop full  I get    Depends: language-pack-kde-kl-base but it is not going to be installed
[07:10] <coz_> rather  kubuntu-full
[07:34] <F3RR1S> if anyone has an "i945" graphics card and you have created an xorg.conf... I would really appreciate a pastebin
[08:30] <coz_> hey guys...just noticed  this when trying to open software-center   http://paste.ubuntu.com/540188/
[08:55] <zniavre_> good morning
[08:55] <zniavre_> hello coz
[08:56] <zniavre_> right clic on notification-aera gives a bug with menu, did you experienced this too ?
[09:32] <coz_> hey guys....is there ,yet. a way to theme the upper panel in natty?
[10:06] <nperry> morning o/
[10:07] <nperry> coz_: There is but you have to recompile unity to do it
[10:08] <coz_> nperry,  ok  ..is there anything planned for this befor release?
[10:08] <coz_> before
[10:08] <nperry> Not to sure
[10:08] <nperry> Think the last thing on there mind is themeing at the moment.
[10:08] <nperry> Want to make it stable and fully usable
[10:08] <coz_> nperry,  your're probably right
[10:09] <nperry> As unity places needs to be done
[10:10] <nperry> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/dx-n-unity-panel
[10:10] <nperry> Its in the blueprint :)
[10:10] <nperry> For alpha 2
[10:10] <nperry> So expect it by feb :)
[10:10] <coz_> sounds good
[10:10] <nperry> I'm just getting sick of all the black, I'm a light theme person myself
[10:11] <coz_> nperry,  I used to be a black theme guy but since radiance I prefer that one
[10:11] <nperry> My feelings exactly :)
[10:12] <nperry> I can cope with Radiance + black unity for time being
[10:12] <coz_> ")
[10:12] <coz_> nperry,  you can always switch to classic gnome desktop :)
[10:14] <nperry> But I like unity! I've got use to it
[10:14] <nperry> Not a fan of gnome-shell either.
[10:14] <coz_> nperry,   understood :)   I am starting to get warmed up to it .."slowly"
[10:15] <nperry> I just wish that the sidebar was transparent to the background
[10:15] <nperry> Only thing that lets it down imo
[10:15] <nperry> But pretty sure it will be by release :)
[10:15] <coz_> nperry,  it actually is semi transparent at least here it is but i set that to autohide
[10:16] <nperry> autohide? How?
[10:16] <coz_> nperry,  in ccsm   compiz unity plugin at the botttom
[10:16] <nperry> How do you get the side panel back?
[10:17] <coz_> nperry,  put mouse cursor up to the little ubuntu logo at the top
[10:17] <nperry> Oh I see hover over the ubuntu logo :)
[10:17] <nperry> Damm, quicker typing
[10:17] <coz_> :)
[10:17] <nperry> I blame the cat that wont get off my desk!
[10:18] <nperry> That looks a lot better :)
[10:18] <coz_> nperry,  that I truly understand but my cat is more interested in lieing in front of the radial heater
[10:18] <nperry> Ah the log fire is to hot for him..
[10:19] <nperry> He sits in front of it for 2mins then he starts to burn
[10:19] <coz_> nperry,  :)
[10:22] <nperry> Right time for a nice fry up, see you!
[11:46] <zniavre_> there is a way to het unity working inside a virtualbox ?
[12:28] <nperry>  zniavre_ No, don't think there ever will be
[12:29] <nperry> Virtualbox isn't man enough to display it
[12:42] <zniavre_>  nperry  ok since compiz was working with vbox i tought unity was possible too
[13:30] <nperry> zniavre_: It works, but opengl doesn't :)
[13:32] <zniavre_> nperry,  im not sure to understand
[13:37] <nperry> compiz has an opengl plugin, which unity requires. opengl is high-end that creates 2d and 3d applications
[13:38] <nperry> Thats why virtualbox doesn't like unity, as I can't really drive opengl
[13:39] <zniavre_> ok for compiz plugin
[13:39] <reventon_> has anybody been able to get unity working in virtual box on 11.04 alpha 1? i have 3d acceleration enabled, but when i try the normal desktop option at login it throws an error saying i don't have 3d support and just loads the normal desktop
[13:40] <zniavre_> :o)
[13:40] <zniavre_> i was asking the same question
[13:40] <reventon_> any luck?
[13:41] <reventon_> i'm trying to figure out if its a vitualbox additions issue or ubuntu
[13:41] <zniavre_> copy/paste the answer >  It works, but opengl doesn't
[13:41] <reventon_> "it" being unity?
[13:42] <zniavre_> i guess yes
[13:42] <reventon_> well have you been able to get it working?
[13:42] <nperry> Not really reventon_
[13:43] <zniavre_> no
[13:43] <reventon_> hm have you tried hosts? like vmware or parallels?
[13:43] <reventon_> tried different hosts*
[13:44] <zniavre_> no
[13:45] <patdk-wk> what video card do you have?
[13:45] <reventon_> geforce 8600m
[13:46] <reventon_> they're saying in the bugs chan that it won't work in virtualbox
[13:46] <patdk-wk> damn, 600 packages to update on my natty :(
[13:48] <charlie-tca> patdk-wk, didn't they tell you run those daily ?
[13:48] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[13:49] <patdk-wk> I haven't had it turned on for like two weeks
[13:50] <patdk-wk> been too busy
[13:51] <charlie-tca> hm, I think there were like 400 one day last week
[13:51] <reventon_> 146 updates for me and i installed it about 2 hours ago
[13:51] <patdk-wk> heh
[13:51] <reventon_> and it updating during the install
[13:52] <reventon_> *updated
[14:12] <reventon_> sometimes (seemingly random) after i log in, only the three menus on the top left appear, everything else (the clock, the desktop previewer on the bottom right, etc.) is blank
[14:12] <reventon_> is there a log that covers that?
[14:14] <charlie-tca> reventon_: check the ~/.xsession-errors  and   /var/log/dmesg   maybe
[14:14] <reventon_> dmesg is normal
[14:15] <reventon_> but .xsession-errors is full of goodies
[14:15] <reventon_> thanks for that
[14:15] <reventon_> all the errors relate to "Unable to locate theme engine..."
[14:16] <charlie-tca> usually there is something on the left like [murrine]  or  [ nm-applet]
[14:16] <charlie-tca> that tells what the package is causing the errors
[14:18] <reventon_> the first series of errors relate to canberra-gtk-play (the theme issue i mentioned), then nm-applet (null pointer errors) and gnome-settings-daemon that seems to be reacting to the other errors
[14:18] <reventon_> there's a couple nautilus errors as well, but nautilus doens't seem to be affected
[14:19] <charlie-tca> Not sure, but I think canberra-gtk is compiz causing it
[14:19] <reventon_> i'm running in vbox and loaded the classic desktop at login
[14:20] <reventon_> is compiz the default compositor in 11.04?
[14:20] <charlie-tca> yes
[14:22] <reventon_> do you think compiz is failing because of my lack of 3d support?
[14:22] <charlie-tca> good possibility
[14:23] <reventon_> i think i'll file a bug report on this one
[14:24] <charlie-tca> Make sure you include that you are using VBox
[14:24] <reventon_> yes definitely
[14:25] <om26er> compiz in vbox bug?
[14:27] <reventon_> om26er: well known
[14:27] <reventon_> ?
[14:27] <om26er> yes i think
[14:27] <om26er> let me find the bug
[14:28] <reventon_> ah
[14:28] <reventon_> nm
[14:28] <reventon_> found it
[14:28] <reventon_> "The gnome-panel run from the Ubuntu classic session can have applets crashing at start with compiz enabled. One solution is to use metacity in the meantime. "
[14:31] <reventon_> where can i change compositors, can't seem to find it in the menus
[14:32] <Richie> reventon_: metacity --replace
[14:32] <reventon_> will that apply after reboot?
[14:34] <Richie> reventon_: No. You can try right clicking desktop > Change desktop background > Erm.. tab on the far right at the top > Click Normal > Click it back to none. That should save it as metacity.
[14:35] <reventon_> hm ok. it was none to begin with however
[14:35] <patdk-wk> strange, done updating
[14:35] <patdk-wk> and now gnome menubar doesn't start
[14:35] <patdk-wk> if I'm using gnome, not even sure :)
[14:36] <Richie> reventon_: I know. I'm not sure how/why it ends up saving it as metacity that way. I just know that from experience. (Running natty in vbox aswell)
[14:36] <charlie-tca> Can't you just switch using "classic desktop" session at login?
[14:36] <patdk-wk> autologin
[14:36] <patdk-wk> looking for a keycombo for logout
[14:42] <patdk-wk> strange, the logout keyboard shortcut doesn't give any logout options, only shtudown, reboot, suspend
[14:43] <patdk-wk> using gnome
[14:43] <patdk-wk> if I run gnome-panel from a terminal, it works just fine :)
[14:43] <patdk-wk> heh, new updates already :)
[14:44] <patdk-wk> strange the login menu changed :(
[14:45] <patdk-wk> Ubuntu classic desktop
[14:45] <patdk-wk> ubuntu desktop edition
[14:45] <patdk-wk> user defined session
[14:46] <patdk-wk> so classic works, normal doesn't
[14:48] <patdk-wk> so I'm hit by that known issue with unity :(
[15:03] <reventon_> charlie-tca: i was selecting classic desktop, but compiz was being enabled regardless
[15:04] <charlie-tca> O.o
[15:04] <reventon_> yeah exactly
[15:04] <reventon_> how can i check which compositor is running?
[15:05] <charlie-tca> I don't know
[15:21] <CardinalFang> Hi.  I would like a confirmation of a bug before I do anything about it.  Got Gnome?  Got a scroll wheel on your mouse?
[15:22] <CardinalFang> Go to sound preferences.  Find a volume slider.  Scroll down and up.  What happens?  If you can scroll left and right, what happens?
[15:25] <reventon_> CardinalFang: interesting
[15:25] <reventon_> scrolling up and down only moves it down, is that what you're getting at?
[15:25] <CardinalFang> reventon_, Yes.  Thank you!
[15:25]  * CardinalFang gets source code.
[15:25] <reventon_> are you on a macbook?
[15:25] <CardinalFang> No.
[15:26] <reventon_> k i am
[15:26] <CardinalFang> Thanks.
[15:38] <reventon_> apparently software-centre-agent.db doesn't exist in my home folder
[15:39] <reventon_> however software-center-agent.db.tmp does
[15:39] <reventon_> but the script doesn't recognize that as a valid dv
[15:39] <reventon_> *db
[15:41] <reventon_> if i make .db.tmp -> .db it still fails
[15:47] <rork> I downloaded natty-alternate-amd64 over bittorrent and I got the following MD5Sum: ddba67ef993ed334b11a856877fa2a3a this is incorrect according to the list met md5sums (should be 8133827598492e2724a4fbe8cad5b804)
[15:48] <reventon_> and its finished downloading?
[15:49] <rork> yes
[15:50] <reventon_> give me 4 mins, i'm downloading it and i'll check for you
[15:51] <rork> ok
[15:52] <rork> hm, I checked the data in ktorrent and it said 90 failed, it's back to 93%
[15:53] <reventon_> that's what i was about to ask you
[15:54] <rork> :) I never knew that was needed, I expected ktorrent to do that automatically during/after downloading
[15:54] <reventon_> you mean it didn't automatically fetch the corruption segments?
[15:54] <reventon_> probably an obscure option in the preferences
[15:56] <reventon_> also
[15:56] <reventon_> from MD5SUMS: 44f3459f1d6d95091d220eb9d1eb59bc *natty-alternate-amd64.iso
[15:56] <reventon_> double check where you're getting that md5sum from
[15:57] <reventon_> because i just downloaded the iso and got 44f...
[15:57] <rork> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/natty/alpha-1/MD5SUMS
[15:57] <reventon_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/natty/alpha-1/MD5SUMS
[15:57] <reventon_> aah
[15:57] <reventon_> kubuntu
[15:57] <reventon_> thats the difference
[15:57] <reventon_> i downloaded vanilla ubuntu
[15:59] <rork> hm, yes the naming could be confusing I guess...
[16:00] <rork> I'll try again when the download finishes, and check my settings also. Thanks
[16:01] <reventon_> np
[16:03] <rork> hm, it appears that "Check data when download finishes" was deselected indeed :S
[18:27] <_Groo_> hi/2 all
[18:27] <_Groo_> guys whats the proper channel for filesystem bugs in ubuntu?
[18:28] <patdk-wk> that depends
[18:28] <patdk-wk> what version of ubuntu?
[18:30] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: i believe all of them... its a bizarre case of reiserfs + ecryptfs
[18:31] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: if my machine has a hard crash (those really ugly ones which can cause data loss (hardware freezes)
[18:31] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: reiserfs runs its log, so far so good
[18:32] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: the problem is that ecryptfs is not yet mounted (enabled?) on top of reiserfs
[18:32] <patdk-wk> all of them?
[18:32] <patdk-wk> then your in the wrong channel, this if for natty only
[18:32] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: so reiser is sending raw data to the inodes, but when ecryptfs gets mounted, the data is all borked
[18:32] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: it has same behaviour with natty
[18:32] <patdk-wk> note topic
[18:33] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: ok natty is affected too
[18:33] <patdk-wk> still feels wrong to me, to get help here, if other versions where not affected, but natty is
[18:33] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: natty and maverick AT LEAST are affected by this
[18:33] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: natty + maverick that i could test
[18:34] <patdk-wk> ya, I gave up on reiserfs long ago
[18:34] <patdk-wk> too much lost data
[18:34] <patdk-wk> haven't had that issue with ext
[18:34] <charlie-tca> _Groo_: if it affects security, it might be better in #ubuntu-hardened
[18:34] <charlie-tca> But I am guessing
[18:35] <zanus> Is there a way to set/change/increase the audio latency on a virtual machine... particularly vmware player.  Actually, I'm not sure whether to change it on the VM or the host.
[18:35] <_Groo_> zanus: vmware uses alsa now, so maybe the host?
[18:35] <_Groo_> charlie-tca: is data loss a security problem? :D
[18:36] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: reiserfs doesnt lose data, its ecryptfs layer thats the problem
[18:36] <charlie-tca> with ecryptfs, it should be
[18:36] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: without ecrypt i have zero data loss
[18:36] <zanus> thanks _Groo_  , where would I need to start to figure that out?
[18:37] <_Groo_> zanus: alsa wiki? you need to costumize your user settings via .alsaconf i guess
[18:37] <patdk-wk> I have never used encryptfs
[18:37] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: its the default (to encrypt your home), since 2 versions ago
[18:38] <patdk-wk> it's not the default
[18:38] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: thing is, i never had problems with ecryptfs + reiser prior maverick
[18:38] <patdk-wk> it asks you, encrypt yes or no, I always pick no
[18:38] <patdk-wk> :)
[18:38] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: ok its 50% default
[18:38] <patdk-wk> I do encrypt my whole disk though
[18:38] <_Groo_> patdk-wk: and it used to work just fine
[18:40] <_Groo_> what channel for kernel bugs?
[18:40] <_Groo_> or filesystems bugs?
[18:40] <patdk-wk> isn't there a #ubuntu-kernel?
[18:40] <_Groo_> nope
[18:41] <IdleOne> !bugs
[18:42] <zanus> _Groo_,  I have no .alsaconfig
[18:43] <_Groo_> zanus: exactly you need to create one :)
[18:43] <zanus> oh boy
[18:48] <yofel> _Groo_: there *is* #ubuntu-kernel, but for bugs in general you would ask the bugsquad in #ubuntu-bugs, filesystem bugs are kernel bugs, so use 'ubuntu-bug linux' to report them
[19:18] <dooglus> when I open a URL in pidgin or gnome-terminal, it's opening in firefox, even though it's configured to use chrome.  any idea how to fix this?
[20:00] <nperry> Urrrrm
[20:00] <nperry> I swear I seen that new kernel was uploaded
[20:00] <nperry> But not showing for upgrade
[20:01] <Pici> Did it ftbfs?
[20:01] <nperry> ftbfs?
[20:02] <Pici> Failed to build from source
[20:02] <nperry> Sorry wasn't sure :)
[20:05] <nperry> Pici: marked as published on lp publish history
[20:06] <nperry> neil@netbook:~$ sudo aptitude show linux-image-generic
[20:06] <nperry> Package: linux-image-generic
[20:06] <nperry> State: installed
[20:06] <nperry> Automatically installed: no
[20:06] <nperry> Why is it set to 'no'
[20:09] <IdleOne> nperry: mine says the same
[20:09] <IdleOne> also you don't need to use sudo with aptitude show :)
[20:09] <nperry> Meh, force of habbait
[20:10] <nperry> But mine is showing Version: 2.6.37.7.9
[20:10] <IdleOne> yup
[20:10] <IdleOne> same here
[20:10] <IdleOne> Generic Linux kernel image
[20:10] <IdleOne>  This package will always depend on the latest generic kernel image available.
[20:11] <IdleOne> uname -a should show you 2.6.37-7-generic
[20:12] <nperry> Butt there is https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/linux/2.6.37-8.21
[20:13] <IdleOne> maybe hasn't been pushed to all the mirrors yet?
[20:13] <IdleOne> I have no idea to be honest
[20:14] <nperry> Hmm nor do I...
[20:14] <IdleOne> when it is time to be installed it will be installed.
[20:16] <nperry> Indeed
[20:20] <Slasher`> anyone know how to disable usb 2.0 in ubuntu and have it force use usb 1.1 please?
[20:20] <Slasher`> ooh wrong channel, sorry
[20:23] <yaaar> so i've read some conflicting reports on the whole unity/wayland thing: some folks have been playing it like it'll pretty much be the same UI as the current netbook edition, while others have acted like it's going to be more gnome shell-ish (or more traditional-desktopish perhaps is a better way to put it). anybody want to set me straight on that? and are there any mockups or design docs...
[20:23] <yaaar> ...floating around i could look over?
[20:23] <yaaar> btw i'm totally stoked about wayland
[20:24] <yaaar> been screwing around with X since the '90s, and sure i eventually got to where i could pretty much make it do what i want....but certainly wasn't ever thrilled with it
[21:10] <nperry> new kernel hit the repo
[21:12] <reventon_> just now?
[21:35] <nperry> reventon_: yes
[21:59] <IdleOne> nperry: All things in time :)
[23:47] <CarlFK> http://dpaste.de/Kxxr/   sudo apt-get install atftp ... Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ natty/universe atftp i386 0.7.dfsg-9.2
[23:48] <CarlFK> ... "Something wicked happened resolving 'fe80::208:2ff:fea0:abcf:8000' (-9 - Address family for hostname not supported)"
[23:48] <CarlFK> it is a mostly vanilla natty install with squid-deb-proxy-client.  I did nothing relating to ipv6.  trying to figure out what to log a bug against.
[23:57] <jpds> CarlFK: That's just weird.
[23:58] <CarlFK> jpds: it happens every so often.  till now I haven't put any effort into tracking it down
[23:58] <jpds> CarlFK: fe80:: addresses are link-local addresses, so it will belong to something on your LAN.
[23:59] <CarlFK> on the squid server box:           inet6 addr: fe80::208:2ff:fea0:abcf/64 Scope:Link