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| highvoltage | ScottK: what's an AM? | 01:46 |
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| ScottK | highvoltage: Application Manager (for Debian New Maintainer process) | 02:38 |
| highvoltage | ScottK: thanks. stgraber showed me how to google that properly :) | 03:00 |
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| dholbach | good morning! | 06:45 |
| didrocks | good morning | 06:47 |
| dholbach | salut didrocks | 06:47 |
| didrocks | hey dholbach, did you have a good week-end? | 06:48 |
| dholbach | yes, I did - how about you? | 06:49 |
| didrocks | nice, snowy and cold :) | 06:49 |
| dholbach | yeah, same here - I did a long walk with the dog through a forest yesterday - it was great :) | 06:51 |
| didrocks | nice! :) | 06:51 |
| RAOF | A white dog in a snowy forest? :)\ | 06:51 |
| dholbach | the dog was a bit whiter afterwards, yes :) | 06:52 |
| lifeless | how does one manually trigger a pyshared update? | 06:58 |
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| mdz | pitti, I finally got a full retrace on my g-s-d crasher (bug 685785) | 09:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 685785 in gnome-settings-daemon (Ubuntu) "gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in __libc_free()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685785 | 09:05 |
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| geser | did the plymouth theme dropped on quality? it looks pixelized to me | 09:25 |
| tumbleweed | geser: mine appears to have a corrupt pallete, so it could be that the anti-aliasing is using the wrong colours. | 09:32 |
| geser | I don't know what exactly happened, but the "ubuntu" doesn't look as smooth as before | 09:33 |
| tumbleweed | geser: yeah, the same, but the "waiting for foo to be mounted" text is completely unreadable (and I get a brief flash of a yellow-text tty0) | 09:35 |
| geser | yes, I saw that too. It looks like some ASCII block chars got displayed on top the text | 09:36 |
| micahg | can an AA please delete aspell-id from NEW, the packager is working on getting it in through Debian | 10:05 |
| micahg | slangasek: or james_w ^^ re aspell-id in NEW | 10:07 |
| c2tarun | can anyone please tell me about some small packaging bugs like spelling mistakes of something like that. i want to work on them. | 10:10 |
| geser | try one of the "bitesize" tagged bugs: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=bitesize | 10:15 |
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| dnivra | hello. I am running apt in gdb and when i print the value of a variable, output is "value optimized out". what does this mean? | 10:20 |
| geser | that the compiler (gcc) got rid of the variable in the optimization stage during compilation | 10:25 |
| dnivra | so that variable is not necessary for the correct functioning of the program? | 10:26 |
| Chipzz | no | 10:28 |
| Chipzz | it is | 10:28 |
| dnivra | then what did geser mean by "got rid of the variable"? | 10:28 |
| dnivra | so is there a way for me to get the value of a variable? normal printing out doesn't seem to work: using cout. | 10:29 |
| geser | dnivra: you have to rebuild without optimization (-O0) | 10:30 |
| Chipzz | dnivra: let me try to give a stupid example. lets say you write a program to print the value 2 | 10:30 |
| dnivra | geser, there's a small problem with that. how do I specify that? I did in the makefile but it shows an error. hold on let me tell you what the exact error is. | 10:31 |
| Chipzz | int willbegone=1; printf("%i\n", i+1); | 10:31 |
| dnivra | okay. | 10:31 |
| Chipzz | i is constant so can be optimized away | 10:31 |
| dnivra | wait i isn't declared is it? | 10:31 |
| Chipzz | but it is still necessary to calculate 2 | 10:31 |
| Chipzz | euh | 10:31 |
| Chipzz | sigh | 10:31 |
| Chipzz | int willbegone=1; printf("%i\n", willbegone+1); | 10:32 |
| Chipzz | s/i/willbegone | 10:32 |
| dnivra | oh okay i see. sorry should've seen through that. | 10:32 |
| Chipzz | that being said | 10:32 |
| Chipzz | your question is off-topic here ;) | 10:32 |
| dnivra | sure sure. no more on this. but i can still ask doubts on how to compile apt without optimization right? | 10:33 |
| Chipzz | my example is contrived, but a better example would be inline functions | 10:34 |
| geser | dnivra: use 'DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt"' when rebuilding apt | 10:35 |
| dnivra | use this option with './configure'? | 10:36 |
| geser | I'd use the apt source package for rebuilding (and get .deb without optimization) | 10:37 |
| Chipzz | dnivra: no, you have to change/add that Makefile | 10:38 |
| Chipzz | debian/rules | 10:38 |
| dnivra | i have actually been compiling that source to get the binary direct and not the deb. | 10:38 |
| dnivra | i just have to add " export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt"" to debian/rules? | 10:42 |
| geser | in that case using "DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt" debian/rules build" should be enough to get the binary | 10:44 |
| dnivra | this is a very beginner question i know. where am i supposed to specify that option? | 10:49 |
| dnivra | where am i supposed to specify DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt"? i added it to debian/rules still am getting optimized output. | 10:58 |
| geser | it's an environmental variable which gets checked in debian/rules | 11:02 |
| geser | set it before you build the package | 11:02 |
| geser | if you have the apt source package and the build-depends for apt installed then the command I posted should get you an apt binary without optimization | 11:03 |
| dnivra | did you mean build-essential? | 11:04 |
| geser | build-essential and the packages listed in debian/control (Build-Depends and Build-Depends-Indep) | 11:05 |
| Chipzz | geser: shouldn't that work if you put it at the top of debian/rules too? | 11:05 |
| dnivra | i don't think it does in my case cos I don't have those packages listed in debian/control installed perhaps. lemme check. | 11:05 |
| Chipzz | anyway I think you have 4 options: put it in the makefile, DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt" debian/rules, debian/rules DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt", export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt"; debian/rules | 11:06 |
| dnivra | Chipzz, yeah got it! i did export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="noopt";debian/rules. it worked. thanks! i'll keep this in mind. thanks to you too geser. now to understand and try to fix the bug. | 11:10 |
| \sh | moins | 11:13 |
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| mdeslaur | @pilot in | 13:05 |
| === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Natty Alpha 1 released! | Archive: Open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Current Friendly Patch Pilots: mdeslaur | ||
| sebner | slangasek: hi, on archive duty today? Mind rejecting one of the two monobristol uploads (maverick-proposed), and if bored approve it? :) | 13:15 |
| * dholbach hugs mdeslaur | 13:18 | |
| dholbach | enjoy your flight with mdeslaur airlines :) | 13:18 |
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| ScottK | micahg: If you still need something rejected, let me know what. | 13:38 |
| ScottK | sebner: I can reject one. Which one? | 13:39 |
| sebner | ScottK: doesn't matter, both are the same | 13:39 |
| ScottK | sebner: Done. | 13:43 |
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| bdrung | persia: around? | 13:43 |
| sebner | ScottK: take my thanks :) | 13:43 |
| persia | bdrung, What's up? | 13:44 |
| bdrung | persia: what are the responsibilities for the chair (except leading the meeting)? | 13:45 |
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| persia | bdrung, Typically handling admin stuff (group adds, etc.), sending announcements, and writing minutes. | 13:46 |
| bdrung | persia: do we have a wiki page for that? | 13:46 |
| persia | Not to my knowledge. | 13:47 |
| bdrung | persia: then we need one | 13:47 |
| persia | I think there was one for the MC though. | 13:47 |
| persia | I think that got cleaned up when MC went away. Why do we need one? 99% is self-evident from the meeting results (stuff being agreed), and the rest is just minutes. | 13:50 |
| persia | Ah, digging about, I think I agree we need one :) There's some fair inconsistency historically. | 13:51 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Nice post (and nice work) on fixing time synchronization. | 13:55 |
| cjwatson | thanks. apparently I offended s-t-b upstream by not waiting for the upload :-/ | 13:55 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: s-t-b? | 13:58 |
| cjwatson | system-tools-backends | 14:00 |
| bdrung | cjwatson: a, i got the mail. | 14:02 |
| zaytsev | [FAILEDTOUPLOAD] Failed to upload on litembilla (virtual) Retry this build | 14:04 |
| zaytsev | anybody has a clue what's wrong with this builder? | 14:04 |
| persia | zaytsev, #launchpad often is able to answer that sort of question. I recommend providing a link to the LP page for the build. | 14:05 |
| zaytsev | persia, thanks | 14:05 |
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| bigbrovar_ | Hi guys, I installed Ubuntu 10.04 on a friend's sony vaio and sound did not work, even after installing all the restricted/backport modules for linux and alsa. The only thing which worked was compiling the latest stable version of alsa. Now is there a way I can write a dkms script to compile auto compile the module so that the next kernel updates wont break sound again. | 14:22 |
| bigbrovar_ | would appreciate if anyone could point me to a doc somewhere google didn't help | 14:22 |
| geser | persia, bdrung: don't forget the update of the TeamReport wiki page | 14:27 |
| bdrung | geser: that demonstrates that we need a wiki page for it | 14:29 |
| geser | bdrung: updating the TeamReport is mentioned on the Agenda page | 14:30 |
| persia | geser, Good point. Perhaps rather than a new page, we just need to break out the last bullet point a bit. | 14:31 |
| geser | what we regularly miss is mailing the outcomes of the applications to devel-permissions@ (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/) | 14:32 |
| persia | geser, Good point. I've been sending individual announcements to u-d@ and minutes to d-p@+u-d-a@, which doesn't match what is written there. | 14:38 |
| bigbrovar_ | are there docs on how to create dkms script to auto compile alsa modules I compiled on Ubuntu whenever I do a kernel upgrade, or am I asking a dumb question? | 14:44 |
| TeTeT | bigbrovar_: I'm only aware of http://linux.dell.com/dkms/, not sure if there's a better guide | 14:45 |
| bigbrovar_ | thanks :) | 14:46 |
| didrocks | cjwatson: hey, is grub 1.99~20101126 is known to not starting X/gdm with nvidia proprieraty driver? I didn't find a bug in LP about it | 15:00 |
| didrocks | I think that dholbach got that as well | 15:00 |
| dholbach | didrocks, yes, same problem - but I'm not close to the machine right now | 15:00 |
| cjwatson | didrocks: not specifically, but please see https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/packageselection-foundations-n-grub2-boot-framebuffer | 15:01 |
| cjwatson | didrocks: we knew we were going to trigger some kernel problems with this change; we deliberately changed it early in natty so that the kernel problems could be worked out. thus, please raise this with the kernel people | 15:02 |
| didrocks | ahah gfxpayload=keep, I already got that issue in maverick IIRC | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | yes | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | but please do raise it on the kernel side rather than just working around it and forgetting about it | 15:02 |
| dholbach | didrocks, I didn't use the 'nvidia' driver in maverick, so I probably wouldn't have noticed :) | 15:02 |
| didrocks | cjwatson: ok, I'll raise that with kernel people then just now. I'm not changing the config file to keep it in mind :) | 15:02 |
| didrocks | cjwatson: thanks :) | 15:03 |
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| SpamapS | ari-tczew: to answer your question from a couple of days ago: yes I do these patches primarily as an employee of canonical. | 15:22 |
| ari-tczew | SpamapS: thanks | 15:23 |
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| smoser | cjwatson, i'm sure you've got good reasoning for this, but I wondered why openssh-server installs both /etc/init.d/ssh and /etc/init/ssh.conf rather than using dh_installinit | 15:30 |
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| cjwatson | smoser: bug 531912 | 15:30 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 531912 in openssh (Ubuntu) "[LUCID] /etc/init.d/ssh seems to work, but actually upstart is used." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531912 | 15:30 |
| cjwatson | (tl;dr: upstart can't supervise services in chroots yet) | 15:31 |
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| nemo | PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND | 15:50 |
| nemo | 2287 nemo 20 0 1562m 657m 13m S 0 17.2 25:16.21 nautilus | 15:50 |
| nemo | 1239 root 20 0 861m 515m 100m S 7 13.4 246:16.89 Xorg | 15:50 |
| nemo | looks like it is time for my bi-weekly ubuntu 10.10 reboot | 15:50 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: hey, so I am going through the unity bugs that affect me and commenting on them as well as filing my own. so, one thing that I think is a design decision (and therefore a bug would be possibly pointless) is not being able to use applets in the panel | 15:51 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: I typically use a hardware sensors, a system monitor and the hamster-applet (time tracker) | 15:52 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: yeah, it's a design decision. what you need is indicators | 15:52 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, right, applet are deprecated in GNOME3 | 15:52 |
| didrocks | and gnome-shell either won't support applets | 15:53 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: in Unity, I can no longer use these. I depended on the hardware sensors one for keeping tabs on my temp so my laptop doesn't melt | 15:53 |
| jdstrand | seb128: so all that code is now dead? | 15:53 |
| seb128 | well you can use the logic and write an indicator | 15:53 |
| seb128 | but it needs work yes | 15:53 |
| jdstrand | seb128: or is there some other way that I can use it in the new Unity world | 15:53 |
| seb128 | no | 15:53 |
| jdstrand | *sigh* | 15:53 |
| jdstrand | seb128: so for my 3 favorite panel applets, I need to write the code to make them appindictor aware? | 15:54 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: right | 15:54 |
| Laney | could you have a panel-indicator? ;) | 15:54 |
| jdstrand | man... | 15:54 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: what is gnome3 doing about this? | 15:55 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: exactly the same, there is still gnome-panel for non accelerated support cases which still have applets | 15:55 |
| jdstrand | I mean surely, they plan to have some sort of equivalent functionality? I mean to just say "yeah, nobody uses the applets" is a little hard to swallow | 15:55 |
| seb128 | they don't | 15:56 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: can I launch a gnome-panel in unity? | 15:56 |
| seb128 | you can | 15:56 |
| seb128 | you can put a gnome-panel at the bottom of screen if you want | 15:56 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: well, you can, but you will have conflicts as there will be two pagers (if you still keep the appplet) | 15:56 |
| jdstrand | I know you guys didn't design this, but this decision really sucks | 15:57 |
| jdstrand | there is good stuff in the old panel applets... | 15:57 |
| seb128 | GNOME did a review by then | 15:58 |
| jdstrand | seb128, didrocks: again, I am not criticizing your decisions, just venting at the state of affairs | 15:58 |
| seb128 | there was not so many things in applets that useful | 15:58 |
| seb128 | not sure applets are the right way to display those infos | 15:58 |
| seb128 | it's just that they are there | 15:58 |
| didrocks | most of applets are geeky, I agree | 15:58 |
| seb128 | but maybe gadgets on the desktop would make sense | 15:58 |
| didrocks | I kept the default one + tomboy in my case, which is now an indicator | 15:59 |
| seb128 | or you can write indicators as well | 15:59 |
| jdstrand | well, developers are geeky and need a dev environment. I would use the system monitor to make sure I didn't have runaway process | 15:59 |
| jdstrand | processes | 15:59 |
| didrocks | seb128: isn't why "The board" is aiming at, don't you think? | 15:59 |
| seb128 | didrocks, sort of yes | 15:59 |
| mvo | yep, system monitor, network load, all useful info | 15:59 |
| jdstrand | I would use the hardware sensors to make sure my system didn't melt when compiling code | 15:59 |
| mvo | geeky, true | 15:59 |
| jdstrand | and hamster applet is a wonderful time tracking tool | 15:59 |
| mvo | timetracker | 15:59 |
| mvo | ++ | 15:59 |
| seb128 | nothing stop porting those to indicators | 16:00 |
| jdstrand | and arguably not geeky | 16:00 |
| jdstrand | sure, except time | 16:00 |
| jdstrand | (which is scarce in these parts) | 16:00 |
| seb128 | well, nobody forces anybody to stop running gnome-panel | 16:00 |
| jdstrand | seb128: except that didrocks said there are conflicts in unity | 16:01 |
| seb128 | it's just that standard users should not need them so it's not a priority | 16:01 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: the pager one (the window list) | 16:01 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, if you keep the gnome-panel pager applet and run unity | 16:01 |
| seb128 | just don't set any pager on gnome-panel | 16:01 |
| jdstrand | I'd like to run unity. I want to know what people see and file bugs so it is great by release | 16:01 |
| seb128 | ok, so add an extra panel with only what you need | 16:01 |
| jdstrand | ah, just the window list | 16:01 |
| seb128 | then put it at the bottom or something | 16:01 |
| jdstrand | well, maybe I can just do that then | 16:02 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: the good news is that you will have then alt + F2 before it's implemented in unity :) | 16:02 |
| jdstrand | \o/ | 16:02 |
| jdstrand | (another annoying bug :) | 16:02 |
| jdstrand | didrocks, seb128: so how do I autostart the gnome-panel in the unity world? | 16:02 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, go to system, preferences, session softwares and add a gnome-panel | 16:02 |
| * jdstrand doesn't see a System anymore | 16:03 | |
| didrocks | hum, thinking about that, the new system session won't allow that… | 16:03 |
| jdstrand | I'll admit, I am fairly confused by Unity's organization. maybe it'll be better when Places is around | 16:03 |
| seb128 | run gnome-session-properties | 16:04 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: yeah, without place, is harder :) ctrl + alt + t to open a terminal and then the command seb128 told ^ | 16:04 |
| jdstrand | yes that works | 16:04 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, there is no organisation yet, and yes should be better once you get the dash and places done | 16:04 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: are you saying that gnome-panel will not be able to be launched in the future? | 16:04 |
| jdstrand | autolaunched that is | 16:04 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: well, I'm thinking about the new session system I'm backporting and as unity will be told as providing a panel, that can be annoying | 16:05 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: so I'll get some test and work with upstream on it | 16:05 |
| didrocks | (upstream being there gnome-session) | 16:05 |
| seb128 | didrocks, jdstrand: the way I described just adds an autostart desktop to the session | 16:06 |
| seb128 | there is no reason that should stop working | 16:06 |
| seb128 | that's how you would run your im client as well | 16:06 |
| seb128 | or other things you want to start with your session | 16:06 |
| didrocks | seb128: not exactly, as unity will provide:panel now with the new system | 16:07 |
| jdstrand | seb128: ok, so if I do that, then make sure that I don't use the window list, I should be fine to sue my applets for the forseeable, yes? | 16:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: so gnome-panel will maybe tell "there is already a panel in that session" | 16:07 |
| seb128 | didrocks, well, I described a way that doesn't touch required components | 16:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: hence the fact I'm thinking about it | 16:07 |
| didrocks | seb128: I'm talking about the new system which needs to touch required components | 16:08 |
| * jdstrand is worried | 16:08 | |
| seb128 | hum ok | 16:08 |
| seb128 | I will let you sort that | 16:08 |
| seb128 | jdstrand, yes | 16:08 |
| bdrung | cjwatson, cody-somerville, geser, persia, soren, stgraber: Quick reminder: DMB meeting it three hours. | 16:08 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: no worry, I'll look at that | 16:08 |
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| jdstrand | didrocks: thanks. please at least allow for a way for us geeky developers to run some of our stuff, even if we have to jump a hoop or two to get there :) | 16:13 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: well, I think adding to the session is a reasonable tradeoff | 16:14 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: the thing is that it will impact your ubuntu classic session | 16:14 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: I am totally fine with that | 16:14 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: so, you will get the same one panel, and such… | 16:14 |
| jdstrand | hmmm, I am going to really screw up my Classic Desktop if I fiddle with this enough... | 16:23 |
| sebner | jdstrand: without using compiz \o/ | 16:24 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: yeah, the configuration is common, it's basically the same issue I got in lucid for UNE vs gnome session | 16:24 |
| jdstrand | I wonder if I can just remove top_panel_screen0 from the /apps/panel/general/toplevel/toplevel_id_list... | 16:26 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: you can, but it will still impact both sessions | 16:28 |
| jdstrand | well, I can at least do gconftool-2 --dump /apps/panel > classic-panel.xml | 16:29 |
| jdstrand | and then use --load to get it back | 16:29 |
| jdstrand | that should be ok | 16:29 |
| didrocks | jdstrand: quite hackish but yeah :) | 16:29 |
| jdstrand | didrocks: sound reasonable? | 16:29 |
| didrocks | that should work :) | 16:30 |
| jdstrand | I hope to not go back. I just want a safety net :) | 16:30 |
| didrocks | in fact, it's not very different to what compiz is currently doing with the gconf backend on profile change | 16:30 |
| doko | ScottK: any progress on 661901? | 16:34 |
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| hallyn_ | hm, if i don't miss my guess, installing banshee caused me to lose all my radio links in rhythmbox | 16:52 |
| micahg | ScottK: aspell-id, the packager is going through Debian instead and the version should've been different | 16:54 |
| ScottK | Looking | 16:55 |
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| ScottK | micahg: Looks like someone got it already. | 16:56 |
| micahg | ScottK: ok, great, thanks | 16:57 |
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| ScottK | doko: Updated. | 17:01 |
| mdeslaur | @pilot out | 17:02 |
| === udevbot changed the topic of #ubuntu-devel to: Natty Alpha 1 released! | Archive: Open | Development of Ubuntu (not support, not app development) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper -> maverick | #ubuntu-app-devel for application development on Ubuntu | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Current Friendly Patch Pilots: | ||
| doko | ScottK: did you look at these packages at all? | 17:04 |
| ScottK | doko: I did not review the source. I was just trying to help clear up component mismatches and Main depwait when I filed the original bug. | 17:05 |
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| ScottK | doko or barry: Will you merge python-defaults from Experimental (I don't have time to look at it this week, but it would enable me to sync the last non-dh_python2 Python package I maintain in Debian). | 17:26 |
| doko | I can do this this week | 17:27 |
| cjwatson | ScottK: if it helps any by way of motivation, I just merged ebroder's backport-helper branch into ubuntu-archive-tools | 17:33 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: That's great news. | 17:33 |
| cjwatson | I would love to have a real backport request to try it out on. :-) | 17:33 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Bug #685982 | 17:39 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 685982 in maverick-backports "Please backport gmtp 0.7-1 from Natty to Maverick" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685982 | 17:39 |
| ScottK | That should be good to go. | 17:40 |
| * cjwatson gives it a go | 17:40 | |
| cjwatson | (looks ok, I'm just beefing up the script a bit in light of that) | 17:43 |
| * ScottK nods | 17:44 | |
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| quadrispro | hi all! | 17:50 |
| quadrispro | ScottK, thanks for bug #685982 | 17:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 685982 in maverick-backports "Please backport gmtp 0.7-1 from Natty to Maverick" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/685982 | 17:50 |
| cjwatson | quadrispro: we're running it as a test case for the new archive admin backport-helper tool | 17:53 |
| quadrispro | good to know | 17:53 |
| cjwatson | ScottK,ebroder: excellent. I made some extensions (although ebroder's initial version was perfectly functional), and this seems to be working quite smoothly now. | 18:05 |
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| cjwatson | ScottK,ebroder: I think I can commit to running this just as frequently as I run sync-helper now, which is normally at least once per working day. | 18:05 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Great. It seems then that some documentation on the archive-admin page and we're done. | 18:06 |
| ScottK | cjwatson: Thanks. That will help a lot. | 18:06 |
| cjwatson | yep, off to do that now | 18:06 |
| cjwatson | mind you, sync-helper isn't documented either | 18:06 |
| ScottK | Ah. Good point. | 18:08 |
| cjwatson | done now | 18:14 |
| cjwatson | ebroder: the one thing this doesn't get quite right is that it uses the requestor as the Changed-By, rather than the backport-approver as specified in ArchiveAdministration. Maybe this needs to scan through comments for a backports team member or something? | 18:14 |
| cjwatson | (Changed-By> i.e. -b in mass-sync.py input) | 18:15 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I have loaded a bug fix on the PDF filters into the CUPS repo, please take it into account when uploading. | 18:23 |
| mterry | RoAkSoAx, were you going to do the -V thing for cluster-glue or were you still waiting on feedback? | 18:24 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: why did you "merge" the new upstream release commit? | 18:26 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, I did the following: | 18:29 |
| tkamppeter | I did "bzr pull" and got "up to date", then I applied the patch from Koji Otani and tested it, taking something like half an hour. Then I made a debian/changelog entry. | 18:30 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: ok, I cleaned up; can you please do "bzr pull --overwrite" in your checkout? | 18:31 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, after that I did "bzr commit" and "bzr push" | 18:31 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: oops, forgot something; fixed, please pull --overwrite again | 18:32 |
| tkamppeter | So my patch is now in the repo, too? | 18:32 |
| \sh | micahg: I'm preparing zend-framework 1.11.1 for upload...could you do the backport stuff later on? :) | 18:32 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: yes | 18:33 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, thank, and sorry, it was really a coincidence, we worked on CUPS exactly at the same time. | 18:33 |
| micahg | \sh: yep, thanks | 18:33 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: right, apparently; sorry for the mid-air collision | 18:33 |
| pitti | tkamppeter: do you have other things you want to land in cups, or should I do an upload? | 18:33 |
| \sh | micahg: thx a lot :) | 18:33 |
| tkamppeter | pitti, now you can do it, thanks. | 18:35 |
| pitti | ok | 18:35 |
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| \sh | micahg: uploaded | 18:44 |
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| RoAkSoAx | mterry: I'm doing the -V thing, I just wanted to test some other unrelated stuff before uploading | 18:47 |
| mterry | RoAkSoAx, OK, no rush. Just wanted to make sure you weren't waiting on me | 18:55 |
| RoAkSoAx | mterry: ok :). Will let you know when I upload! Thanks! | 18:58 |
| kees | @pilot in | 19:14 |
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| ari-tczew | kees: could you sponsor this one? https://code.launchpad.net/~clint-fewbar/ubuntu/natty/php5/fix-mssql-segfault/+merge/42705 | 19:36 |
| kees | ari-tczew: sure, let me take a look at it. thanks for bringing it up. :) | 19:37 |
| kees | ari-tczew: can you flip your review to "approved" for that one, if you're okay with it? | 19:39 |
| ari-tczew | kees: for above case I need again testbuild, let me look | 19:41 |
| kees | ari-tczew: oh, I thought your review comments were mostly about the patch format? | 19:41 |
| ari-tczew | kees: quite. why you ask? | 19:42 |
| kees | ari-tczew: I guess I meant, it doesn't need a rebuild test if it was just the patch formatting you wanted to see changed. if the way it looks is good with you, I can upload it. | 19:42 |
| kees | ari-tczew: but I was hoping you could change your review from "Needs Fixing" to "Approved" | 19:43 |
| ari-tczew | kees: aha, I would like test build again. | 19:43 |
| kees | ari-tczew: okay, sounds good | 19:43 |
| ari-tczew | to make sure | 19:43 |
| * kees nods. good idea | 19:44 | |
| ari-tczew | kees: so for time building, could you sponsor my merge? bug 684874 | 19:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 684874 in rabbitmq-server (Ubuntu) "Merge rabbitmq-server 2.2.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684874 | 19:45 |
| kees | ari-tczew: sure! let me go read that one too. | 19:45 |
| ari-tczew | kees: btw I had an a case to security team and I would to be on meeting, but I've falled asleep :/ | 19:48 |
| ari-tczew | fallen * | 19:48 |
| kees | ari-tczew: no worries, feel free to email too. | 19:48 |
| ari-tczew | kees: nothing important | 19:49 |
| kees | ari-tczew: so, for rabbitmq-server, did you review the diff between 2.2.0-0ubuntu1 and 2.2.0-1 ? | 19:49 |
| ari-tczew | kees: yes | 19:49 |
| ari-tczew | I have it on disk | 19:49 |
| kees | okay, cool. | 19:50 |
| lifeless | kees: hey hey | 19:50 |
| kees | let me finish the php5 thing, and I'll do this one next. one moment... | 19:50 |
| lifeless | kees: so, i didn't hear back | 19:50 |
| kees | heya lifeless | 19:50 |
| lifeless | kees: hows the performance? | 19:50 |
| kees | lifeless: let me start a quick download, one sec. | 19:50 |
| kees | lifeless: reasonably fast, no 503s. I remain happy. :) | 19:55 |
| lifeless | :) | 19:56 |
| zzak | Hello everyone, I was wondering where might be the best place to ask about maintaining an out of date package for ubuntu? It's been over 2 years since the last release. | 20:00 |
| kees | ari-tczew: okay, looking at rabbitmq-server closely now. Usually, it's easier to review a debdiff between the Debian package version and the to-be-uploaded Ubuntu package version. In this case, 2.2.0-1 vs 2.2.0-1ubuntu1. Your debdiff is between 2.2.0-0ubuntu1 and 2.2.0-1ubuntu1. | 20:05 |
| kees | I think what you've got is very close to correct if not already 100% correct, but I'm just poking at it from the other direction now. | 20:06 |
| mterry | lifeless, ping about python package names | 20:07 |
| vorian | /12 | 20:09 |
| lifeless | mterry: hi | 20:09 |
| mterry | lifeless, I just fixed a bug you filed about the name of python-quickly-widgets (nee quickly-widgets). But realized that in your bug, you recommended python-quickly.widgets. Is that right? With the period instead of a dash? | 20:10 |
| lifeless | mterry: foo-bar isn't a valid python module name | 20:11 |
| lifeless | mterry: is the code accessed via 'import quickly.widgets' ? | 20:11 |
| lifeless | mterry: if so then the package/module *is* 'quickly.widgets' and the package name should be python-$packagename -> python-quickly.widgets | 20:12 |
| lifeless | mterry: see e.g. python-zope.interfaces | 20:12 |
| kees | ari-tczew: I'll be uploading this shortly; have you forwarded the delta to Debian for rabbitmq-server by any chance? | 20:12 |
| ari-tczew | kees: I thought that this is Ubuntu-related delta. | 20:13 |
| kees | ari-tczew: there's a debian change to the watch file too, which I figure should probably track Debian. | 20:13 |
| mterry | lifeless, understood. I just had a hard time finding that in the policy manual, so I thought I'd ping you. This package also provides quickly.prompts, but that is a secondary smaller module, so I believe the policy says it can just be subsumed into the more important quickly.widgets package? | 20:13 |
| kees | ari-tczew: it's not clear to me. neither Ubuntu nor Debian had rabbitmq-server packages prior to version 1.6.0, so I'm not sure why that delta is there at all. | 20:13 |
| lifeless | mterry: policy is pretty flexible here, for good or bad :) | 20:13 |
| ari-tczew | kees: I also dunno. | 20:14 |
| ebroder | mterry: It's in the Python policy. http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/python-policy/ch-module_packages.html#s-package_names | 20:14 |
| ebroder | Err...I thought it was. Maybe it's not | 20:14 |
| lifeless | ebroder: its not precise enough to disambiguate | 20:14 |
| lifeless | ebroder: perhaps we should propose a patch to clarfiy | 20:15 |
| ScottK | Patches welcome. | 20:15 |
| lifeless | ebroder: the handling of multiple modules is there. | 20:15 |
| ebroder | lifeless: I definitely saw something somewhere recently that wasn't ambiguous... | 20:15 |
| mterry | lifeless, a simple example would be good | 20:15 |
| kees | ari-tczew: actually, based on bug #506985, I think this delta should have been dropping in maverick/ | 20:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 506985 in rabbitmq-server (Ubuntu Lucid) "Upgrade from rabbitmq-server 1.54 -> 1.7.0 wiped users and vhosts" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/506985 | 20:16 |
| kees | zul: can you verify that to be true? | 20:16 |
| kees | zul, ari-tczew: if so, this should just be a sync. | 20:16 |
| zul | reading backlog | 20:17 |
| ari-tczew | +1 | 20:17 |
| zul | kees: yeah it was in the release notes when they upgraded from the previous verison they get a warning | 20:18 |
| lifeless | mterry: anyhow, long answer short: the . is deliberate and appropriate | 20:18 |
| kees | zul: right, but it should have only been for Lucid, right? If that's true, we can just drop this delta and sync? | 20:18 |
| mterry | lifeless, gotcha, will fix | 20:18 |
| zul | kees: right | 20:18 |
| kees | zul: sync it is. :) | 20:19 |
| kees | jdstrand: can I borrow you for a moment to perform a sync for me? rabbitmq-server care of bug #684874? | 20:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 684874 in rabbitmq-server (Ubuntu) "Sync rabbitmq-server 2.2.0-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/684874 | 20:20 |
| jdstrand | kees: sure | 20:20 |
| ari-tczew | kees: or you can use script syncpackage :) | 20:20 |
| kees | ari-tczew: that just creates a new bug; I wanted to actually close the merge you had open (I converted that merge bug into a sync bug) | 20:21 |
| ari-tczew | kees: syncpackage rabbitmq-server -b 684874 | 20:22 |
| ebroder | kees: You're confusing requestsync and syncpackage | 20:23 |
| ari-tczew | kees: however, I'm fine with converted request. let's jdstrand do this (: | 20:23 |
| kees | ebroder: ah, so I am. what does syncpackage actually do? isn't it preferred for archive admins to do the sync? | 20:24 |
| cjwatson | It is. | 20:24 |
| cjwatson | syncs happen in <1 working day nowadays. | 20:24 |
| kees | ah, righto. quick read of the code shows that syncpackage is just a manual sync. I'll wait for jdstrand to DTRT instead. :) | 20:24 |
| ebroder | cjwatson: Is there an interesting difference in end result between the archive admins doing a sync and syncpackage doing a sync? | 20:25 |
| kees | SpamapS: I'll be uploading your php5 merge in a few minutes; waiting for the testsuite to finish now. | 20:26 |
| ebroder | cjwatson: Oh, also - I'll take a look at fixing the uploaded-by for backport-helper. I wasn't paying attention when I picked what name to use there. Something like looking for the "last backports team member that set the bug to IN PROGRESS" should be easy | 20:26 |
| cjwatson | ebroder: we might be willing to debug it if something went wrong with the former. :) | 20:26 |
| cjwatson | (it's a verbatim copy and there are essentially no checks that it really is verbatim - having it be server-side is more robust) | 20:26 |
| cjwatson | ebroder: cool, thanks | 20:26 |
| SpamapS | kees: awesome thanks! :) | 20:33 |
| kees | jdstrand: thanks! | 20:37 |
| kees | ari-tczew: thanks for the help! php5 has been uploaded, and rabbitmq-server synced. :) | 20:39 |
| jdstrand | kees: sure! | 20:40 |
| ari-tczew | kees: np. I want to review also main requests as it's helpful to clean up SQ. | 20:44 |
| ari-tczew | kees: every patch pilot from Canonical works on cleaning up ? | 20:49 |
| smoser | cjwatson, you have a suggestion about how i can put a change into /etc/grub/default and register that change such that subsequent 'update-grub' will not prompt user for merge ? | 20:49 |
| smoser | (this is on lucid) | 20:49 |
| kees | ari-tczew: well, I'm just trying to knock items off the sponsor queue, yeah | 20:49 |
| cjwatson | smoser: update-grub never prompts for mergign | 20:50 |
| cjwatson | *merging | 20:50 |
| smoser | oh. you're right. it does not. i should have subsequent grub-pc install/upgrade | 20:51 |
| cjwatson | smoser: you can't, then, it's a dpkg conffile | 20:51 |
| cjwatson | trying to muck with that makes the problem worse | 20:51 |
| cjwatson | it's best to keep conffile changes simple | 20:51 |
| smoser | hm... well, maybe you can suggest a different path for me then. | 20:51 |
| cjwatson | currently in an overrunning meeting and with a splitting headache ... not really in the right frame of mind to be able to think creatively :) | 20:52 |
| smoser | alright. i'll send a mail then. | 20:52 |
| ari-tczew | kees: btw, you have 2 things sponsored for me (non-security stuff), I'm curious whether this number will grow up. (: | 20:57 |
| soren | cjwatson, smoser: /etc/default/grub isn't a conffile. | 21:24 |
| soren | (assuming that's what is meant when you say /etc/grub/default) | 21:24 |
| smoser | soren, (at least on lucid) try changing a value there, and then 'apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc'. you'll get a prompt that is a result of | 21:25 |
| smoser | ucf --three-way --debconf-ok --sum-file=/usr/share/grub/default/grub.md5sum ${tmp_default_grub} /etc/default/grub | 21:25 |
| soren | Precisely. | 21:26 |
| smoser | so no, not a conf file, but that is my issue. | 21:26 |
| soren | ucf => not a conffile | 21:26 |
| smoser | you're right. | 21:26 |
| soren | I've seen various tricks applied for this sort of thing. | 21:27 |
| soren | grub (old grub) had some magic for it. | 21:27 |
| ebroder | soren, smoser: I thought the fact that ucf is doing a 3-way meant that you should only get prompted once (at least until the next time upstream /etc/default/grub changed) | 21:28 |
| soren | True. | 21:29 |
| smoser | ebroder, while that may be the case, its still less than ideal for me. | 21:29 |
| soren | There's a command line option to update ucf's cache. | 21:29 |
| smoser | it doesn't work here, as far as I can tell. i've tried. | 21:29 |
| soren | smoser: Really? Sorry, I must have misunderstood what you're trying to achive? | 21:29 |
| kees | jdstrand: can I bug you for another sync? this time from experimental? bug #686099, request from the debian maintainer. | 21:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 686099 in packagekit (Ubuntu) "Sync packagekit 0.6.10-1 (main) from Debian experimental (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686099 | 21:29 |
| smoser | because sum-file comes from /usr/share/grub/default/grub.md5sum (which is part of the package, and will contain the new version). | 21:30 |
| jdstrand | kees: sure | 21:30 |
| kees | jdstrand: thanks! | 21:30 |
| ebroder | smoser: That's only for versions of the file that existed before the package switched to ucf. ucf also maintains its own cache | 21:30 |
| smoser | i've tried, mabye i'm missing something. | 21:31 |
| soren | Explain what you've tried. | 21:31 |
| smoser | sudo ucfr --debug --verbose grub-pc /etc/default/grub | 21:31 |
| smoser | ie, a.) make change to /etc/default/grub b.) run ucfr grub-pc /etc/default/grub c.) run sudo apt-get install --reinstall grub-pc | 21:32 |
| smoser | d.) get prompted | 21:32 |
| smoser | soren, is that not what i should expect would tell ucf that I have updated that file? | 21:34 |
| soren | smoser: Er... Even on reinstall? | 21:34 |
| jdstrand | kees: done | 21:34 |
| soren | smoser: That should never trigger a prompt. Even if you didn't muck about with ucfr. | 21:35 |
| * jdstrand waves hi to soren | 21:36 | |
| soren | smoser: If the package being installed doesn't contain a change to the contents of the file compared to the last installed version of the same package, any changes you made to the file are just kept. | 21:36 |
| soren | jdstrand: dude! | 21:36 |
| jdstrand | :) | 21:36 |
| soren | smoser: That's what dpkg does (and ucf attempts to mimic). | 21:37 |
| smoser | well, it is doing that for me. on ec2 instance. possibly i'm doing something terribly rude in image build | 21:37 |
| soren | smoser: Possibly. | 21:38 |
| soren | smoser: Can you reproduce it on your laptop? | 21:38 |
| soren | smoser: My test involes changing one of the comments in the file. | 21:38 |
| smoser | comment wont work. | 21:38 |
| soren | Oh, it's filtered? | 21:39 |
| smoser | has to be somethign that will get through to /boot/grub/grub.cfg | 21:39 |
| soren | Bah, of course. | 21:39 |
| soren | Same thing. | 21:39 |
| soren | Oh, hang on. | 21:39 |
| smoser | the thing i'm changing is '#GRUB_TERMINAL=console' | 21:40 |
| smoser | uncommenting | 21:40 |
| smoser | but also changes to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= like adding 'foo=bar' affect it (on 10.04) | 21:40 |
| soren | On 10.10 as well. | 21:41 |
| soren | That shouldn't happen. | 21:42 |
| smoser | tried on natty, and do not get prompted | 21:42 |
| soren | Aah... | 21:44 |
| soren | Ok. | 21:44 |
| smoser | its strange, i'm not seeing the issue now though. soren did you have an explanation ? | 21:47 |
| soren | Half. | 21:47 |
| smoser | do you care to share ? | 21:49 |
| soren | I'm trying to :) | 21:49 |
| * smoser puts hands to temples and attempts to get soren's mind message | 21:50 | |
| soren | Don't. You'll be as confused as I am. | 21:50 |
| RoAkSoAx | slangasek: howdy!! I have a question regaring a library split. In debian/rules, there's a binary-common: target on which dh_makeshlibs is without the -V option. This -V is necessary if there are no .symbols files, right? | 21:51 |
| mdeslaur | cjwatson: we're not installing gnome-system-tools anymore in natty? no more graphical tool to add a second user? | 21:53 |
| soren | smoser: Sorry, I don't think I can wrap my head around this at this hour. | 21:57 |
| smoser | no problem. have a nice night soren. | 21:58 |
| RoAkSoAx | win 5 | 21:58 |
| SpamapS | woohoo.. cassandra packages running unit tests. :) | 22:15 |
| lifeless | nice | 22:16 |
| RoAkSoAx | mterry: ok I think i'm ready to upload. Were you able to get feedback for the -V to dh_makeshlibs? | 22:34 |
| mterry | RoAkSoAx, oh no, I wasn't yet. I'll ping tomorrow | 22:35 |
| RoAkSoAx | mterry: should I wait to upload, or should I just go ahead and do it? | 22:35 |
| mterry | RoAkSoAx, uh I guess upload and we can always back it out. I think the assumption was that if this other package did it, it was the correct thing, right? I'm just double-confirming with someone who would actually konw | 22:37 |
| RoAkSoAx | mterry: alright then. it is done :)! | 22:48 |
| === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] | ||
| Sarvatt | nasty, I've counted at least 150 bugs here so far caused by this limitation not being more common knowledge - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/562312/comments/7 | 22:51 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 562312 in initramfs-tools (Ubuntu) "package initramfs-tools 0.92bubuntu71 [modified: usr/sbin/update-initramfs] failed to install/upgrade: lzma: Encoder error: -2147467259" [Undecided,Triaged] | 22:51 |
| ebroder | Sarvatt: Workaround: use a USB drive larger than 4G, so that the FAT file size limitations prevent users from actually using all remaining space | 22:53 |
| * ebroder ducks | 22:54 | |
| === drspeedo is now known as drspeedo|away | ||
| bdrung | persia: around? | 23:48 |
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