| greg_ | greetings all | 00:17 |
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| greg_ | anybody home? | 00:17 |
| jk- | some are :) | 00:18 |
| greg_ | hi - quick question if anyone has a second, if I want to be more informed about future direction of the kernel and maybe even have my thoughts heard about it, where would I look/watch/join? | 00:20 |
| RAOF | greg_: The kernel mailing list would probably be the best place overall, but various subsystems have their own mailing lists. | 00:21 |
| RAOF | greg_: Note that the kernel mailing list is unlikely to be receptive to general thoughts not backed up by the possibility of a code submission. Reviewing specific patches will likely be welcomed, though. | 00:23 |
| greg_ | thanks RAOF. When I first installed lucid server and discovered there was no x86 server kernel, but the package was essentially a pointer to the generic-pae kernel, it was suggested that the change was announced via some community mechanism that I now don't remember, shamefully, and no one objected. I'd like to make sure I don't get that kind of surprise in the future without wading through every mail and patch.... | 00:24 |
| greg_ | the not remembering is the shameful part | 00:24 |
| greg_ | :-) | 00:24 |
| RAOF | Ah. You're more interested in the Ubuntu kernel configuration, then. | 00:24 |
| RAOF | In that case, kernel-team@lists.ubuntu.com :) | 00:25 |
| crimsun | sometimes the info comes across sooner on ubuntu-devel@. | 00:26 |
| RAOF | For bigger changes, yeah. | 00:26 |
| greg_ | ok, thanks very much RAOF and crimsun | 00:30 |
| Omega | < trap15> does anyone know the reason that usbfs was removed from the ubuntu kernels? | 00:34 |
| crimsun | other than it's deprecated, or at this point, obsolete? | 00:35 |
| jk- | RAOF: regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/hardware-desktop-n-xorg-configuration-the-final-ten-percent, where would be the best place to put my device-tree proposal? | 02:53 |
| RAOF | jk-: If it's small, in the whiteboard. If it's big or needs discussion, on the wiki. | 02:58 |
| jk- | ROAF, yep, was thinking the wiki is more suitable, somewhere like X/Dev/DeviceTreeDetection ? | 02:59 |
| RAOF | I was thinking of linking it to the blueprint. | 03:00 |
| jk- | X/Dev/hardware-desktop-n-xorg-configuration-the-final-ten-percent ? | 03:01 |
| RAOF | Ah. I haven't set a URL for that blueprint yet. | 03:02 |
| jk- | yep :) | 03:02 |
| RAOF | In that case, X/Dev/DeviceTreeDetection sounds like a good name. | 03:03 |
| * jk- discovers X/Blueprints | 03:03 | |
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| jk- | apw: ping? | 06:45 |
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| cking | apw, any sign of manjo today? | 13:13 |
| apw | cking, yep he is my left-hand man, wassup | 13:19 |
| cking | apw, just wondering if he made it through to London OK - I didn't seem him on IRC today | 13:20 |
| jjohansen | ah that explains apw's silence | 13:23 |
| cking | indeedy | 13:23 |
| * apw is always quiet, i am very very introverted | 13:27 | |
| cking | cough, splutter, | 13:30 |
| cking | what?! | 13:30 |
| smb | Rather the most extrovert introvert we met | 13:31 |
| cking | if apw is introverted then I'm basically so introverted that one would class me as clinically dead | 13:31 |
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| didrocks | hey guys | 15:03 |
| didrocks | since grub 1.99~2010112, with nvidia proprietary driver, I can't get a working X/gdm | 15:04 |
| didrocks | cjwatson pointed me to the framebuffer spec and I saw that gfxpayload=keep is activated | 15:04 |
| didrocks | I remember having issues with it in maverick, so it's maybe linked | 15:05 |
| didrocks | how can I help getting the relevant info to you? | 15:05 |
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| lag | apw: Have all the delta patches been deleted now? | 15:12 |
| apw | lag ? | 15:16 |
| lag | apw: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KernelNattyUbuntuDeltaReview | 15:17 |
| lag | apw: I can't find my patches for looking | 15:17 |
| apw | lag in the wiki page or in the ubuntu delta ? | 15:20 |
| lag | I can find the entries on the Wiki | 15:22 |
| lag | But they're missing from git log etc | 15:22 |
| apw | lag, then perhaps they got dropped, are they in the dropped section below | 15:27 |
| * lag checks | 15:27 | |
| lag | apw: They don't appear to be | 15:29 |
| lag | apw: Maybe they were dropped when ARM support was removed? | 15:29 |
| apw | lag hmmm, ok well mark them as missing and i'll try and find out | 15:29 |
| lag | Okay | 15:30 |
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| JFo | <-lunch | 16:38 |
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| JFo | back | 17:59 |
| cking | JFo, dude, how's it going? | 18:16 |
| JFo | cking, not too bad despite being overwhelmed by everything :) | 18:16 |
| JFo | cking, how about you? | 18:16 |
| cking | JFo, ditto :-) | 18:17 |
| JFo | heh | 18:17 |
| cking | Those bug reports keep in coming it. I understand it can be most overwhelming. | 18:18 |
| JFo | I'd be on mumble, but I stupidly forgot to charge my headset over the weekend | 18:18 |
| charlie-tca | JFo: We got a bug day tomorrow for you, right? | 18:18 |
| JFo | oh yes, the bug reports are never ending | 18:18 |
| JFo | charlie-tca, yessir | 18:18 |
| JFo | bugs with patches | 18:18 |
| charlie-tca | Great! | 18:18 |
| * JFo plans to remind folks via e-mail and blog today | 18:18 | |
| charlie-tca | I can try to do some, at least. | 18:18 |
| JFo | excellent! I welcome anyone interested in helping | 18:19 |
| JFo | especially if that person is you charlie-tca :) | 18:19 |
| charlie-tca | thanks | 18:19 |
| cking | bjf, thanks for helping me out with the fwts over the weekend | 18:21 |
| bjf | cking, glad to, i'll do some further testing sometime this week i think | 18:24 |
| cking | bjf, cool, I'm still unable to trip that lucid bug, but I've not had much change since Saturday to reproduce. | 18:25 |
| _Groo_ | hi/2 all | 18:49 |
| _Groo_ | found a very ugly bug with reiserfs + ecryptfs in maverick/natty thats wasnt there in previous kernels | 18:49 |
| _Groo_ | if my machine crashes via a hardware freeze (damn you nvidia), reiserfs runs its log file, so far so good | 18:49 |
| _Groo_ | unfortunatelly ecryptfs is not yet mounted or a bug lies at that lvl, and reiserfs is writing the raw data in the ecryptfs inodes, borking all the data | 18:49 |
| _Groo_ | or something like that for what i could test. | 18:50 |
| _Groo_ | anyway when reiserfs kicks the log write, the file affected gets borked if you use a eccryptfs layer | 18:50 |
| _Groo_ | anyone ever seen this behaviour before? | 18:50 |
| sconklin | back in a couple of hours | 18:51 |
| * tgardner --> lunch | 19:03 | |
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| ppetraki | quick question, is the -server kernel using CFS be default, and how do I find out which scheduler were using at runtime? | 19:52 |
| soren | ppetraki: /sys/block/<name of block device>/queue/scheduler | 19:59 |
| ppetraki | soren, I got that one, and it's deadline | 20:01 |
| ppetraki | soren, now what about processes? it a mess in proc somewhere | 20:01 |
| soren | ppetraki: What about processes? | 20:01 |
| ppetraki | soren, the config says http://pastebin.com/CQWTBS8q | 20:01 |
| ppetraki | soren, which appears to be deadline for process scheduling too | 20:02 |
| soren | ppetraki: I'm not sure what you're saying. CONFIG_DEFAULT_DEADLINE=y means the the deadline scheduler is the default i/o scheduler. | 20:04 |
| ppetraki | soren, there's one for io and one for process. I'm just trying to verify at runtime which one we're using | 20:07 |
| ppetraki | soren, the io one is easy enough as you pointed out | 20:07 |
| ppetraki | soren, with the CFS, am I using it? how do I find out. the docs aren't exactly clear | 20:07 |
| * soren is not aware that there's much of an option when it comes to process scheduling (other than preempt and HZ settings) | 20:08 | |
| ppetraki | fair enough | 20:08 |
| ppetraki | thanks | 20:08 |
| soren | That is not to say that there isn't. I just don't know about it. | 20:09 |
| ppetraki | that's what I'm trying to determine | 20:09 |
| GrueMaster | Can someone tell me when linux-ti-omap4 2.6.35-903.19 will move from proposed to release? I busted my butt to get it tested during US holiday, and need it for natty testing. | 20:41 |
| * jjohansen -> lunch | 20:43 | |
| tgardner | GrueMaster, we have no plans to produce a natty ti-omap4 kernel. I thought Linaro was doing it? | 20:45 |
| GrueMaster | That is for omap, not omap4 as far as I know. | 20:45 |
| GrueMaster | And you guys asked me to test this kernel two weeks ago for Maverick. | 20:46 |
| tgardner | hmm, then I'm waiting on Bryan Wu as he is the omap4 dude. | 20:46 |
| GrueMaster | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap4/+bug/673504 | 20:46 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 673504 in linux-ti-omap4 (Ubuntu Maverick) (and 1 other project) "Pandaboard chooses a new IP address on each boot (affects: 2) (heat: 192)" [High,Fix committed] | 20:46 |
| GrueMaster | That has all the info for 2.6.35-903.19 | 20:46 |
| tgardner | GrueMaster, checking... | 20:47 |
| GrueMaster | Until then, natty is currently pulling 2.6.35-903.17 | 20:47 |
| tgardner | GrueMaster, re: maverick, I think we're waiting on the SRU team to promote it to -updates | 20:48 |
| GrueMaster | Well, lets hope it gets released before the next security patch cycle. I really don't want to keep spinning loops around these bugs because of flawed release processes. | 20:50 |
| jjohansen | bjf, sconklin: do the lts-backport kernels get security updates | 22:22 |
| sconklin | jjohansen: good question. rtg? ^^ | 22:23 |
| jjohansen | sconklin: tgardner isn't around currently | 22:24 |
| bjf | jjohansen, i believe that they do though we have left the updating of them to rtg | 22:24 |
| bjf | jjohansen, it's on our list of thing to find out how exactly he is maintaining them | 22:24 |
| sconklin | jjohansen: I think that they do by virue of being backported from kernels which have security applied, but I don't think it's simultaneous with the security releases | 22:25 |
| jjohansen | right, thanks | 22:25 |
| sbeattie | bjf, sconklin, jjohansen: I think the question is, will the lts-backports get security updates that come through the lucid-security pocket? | 22:31 |
| sbeattie | or will they just be part of the periodic updates that roll into -proposed/-updates? | 22:31 |
| bjf | sbeattie, heh, that's a good question | 22:31 |
| sconklin | yeah, I agree. That's the question | 22:31 |
| sconklin | we don't have an answer | 22:31 |
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