[00:11] In #ubuntu, bisanthe said: ubottu: no no, there is no problem with md5 [04:31] How do I access the ban tracker? [04:31] @btlogin [04:31] Jordan_U: type @login in PM with ubottu or in an ubottu channel, then @btlogin. If you're set up properly, it should PM you a URL [04:32] Of course, if you do @btlogin before @login, it just ignores you :P [04:32] And it will forget your @login after a while even if you don't /quit (1 day?) [04:32] rww: Thanks. [04:33] I really like how it shows the recent logs from that time. [04:33] Jordan_U: probably best to keep the URL in a bookmark or something, assuming you're the only one who uses your account. and keep the URL private, since it's your login credential. [04:38] How long should I keep a ban on a blatant troll? [04:41] depends on the op and the person. as I understand it, generally until they find their way to #ubuntu-ops or your PM window and agree to not act up in the future [04:43] No communication from them (at least with me, and I set the ban). But eventually the ban list will fill up, correct? [04:44] yup. at which point you look at your bans, judge which can be removed, and remove them [04:44] we're looking at a few months before it fills up again, I think. I grabbed the graph of bans in #ubuntu over time and drew lines on it, and it came out to 3 months before we hit maximum [04:46] http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/ircbans-year.png , the big drop is when all the uncommented bans got cleared out about a month ago [04:46] (and 3 months was a conservative estimate) [05:52] * rww sighs at -offtopic [08:10] who lets these fools into #ubuntu-offtopic [08:10] we need some sort of topic in that channel or a better set of guidelines [08:10] I know it's been said before, but it's just rubbish [08:11] which? [08:11] pretty much all of them [08:11] * elky is prioritising pizza before reading backscroll [08:11] wise [08:12] I wonder if setting +r would help any. Seems like a lot of the crazies don't bother registering with NickServ. [08:12] yes yes yes yes yes yes yes [08:12] lol [08:13] I've suggested it before in jest, but the more I think about it, the less of a bad idea it seems :\ [08:13] careful rww, you're getting him excited again, and i'm too busy eating pizza to clean up the puddle. [08:14] i took pills and ate pizza bagel bites today. it was yummy [08:14] the pills or the pizza? [08:14] the pizza [08:14] the pills let her eat the pizza [08:14] the pills tasted like chalk but made the pizza edible [08:14] oh, well then that is good [08:14] oh, I thought they let her deal with #ubuntu-offtopic. totally took the wrong interpretation there. [08:17] rww to be honest though, if we could be assured by the ircc that taking a hard stance in -ot would be actively backed up by them, that'd be more effective than making it +r. a toy bot with decent rate limiting would also help as a distraction [08:17] we used to be able to derail about 70% of bickering by pulling out bofh, chuck, t, etc [08:19] I miss lart [08:19] lart was nice [08:19] IRCC bring back the lart in -ot [08:19] lart less so... [08:19] IRCC please ignore IdleOne, he's had too much to drink [08:19] I have not [08:20] is there still hammertime? [08:20] !hammertime [08:20] ━━▊ ━━▊ ━━▊ [08:20] excellent [08:20] limited use, it's not the shiny random ooh-what-will-be-next effect [08:20] IdleOne: it was rather hard to get certain people to stop using rather unfriendly /me commands when they could point to ubottu hitting people with a baseball bat. [08:21] yeah [08:21] you're up against /that/ mental age [08:22] i liked it when ubottu divided people by zero [08:22] a limited lart list might work [08:22] there were some really awful ones in there by the end [08:23] I think heavier handed use of +b might be good [08:23] I think it'd probably be possible to CoCify @lart, yes. [08:23] i think so too [08:23] IdleOne, no, +m [08:23] there's nothing mission critical about -ot. mute the bejeebus out of it imho [08:23] but the ircc may disagree [08:24] (previous statement does not imply that CoCifying it and bringing it back is a good idea ;) [08:25] what do we have to lose. the off button is easier than the on button [08:25] Perhaps we should declare December to be National #ubuntu-offtopic Experiment Month. One week of +r, one week of looser interpretations of various !guidelines... ;D [08:26] rww, Jordan_U, tonyyarusso just a reminder if you haven't seen it, bantracker has SSL now, ubottu isn't aware of it yet but replacing the http with https should work [08:26] rww: One week of -c! [08:26] the certificate is selfsigned but still [08:26] Myrtti: Yes, I updated my link copypasta accordingly. Thanks for poking people into doing it :) [08:26] rww i think january is better, it's the gone-to-hell-please-schools-take-them-back month here. [08:27] Myrtti: How does authentication work? [08:27] Myrtti, ohai! you're really really back? :D [08:27] Jordan_U: authenticate as usual with ubottu, copypaste the address from it to your browser, replace http to https and rock and rll [08:28] elky: for time being [08:28] On the first day of Christmas, IRCC gave to me, +r in #ubuntu-offtopic. On the second day of Christmas, IRCC gave to me two hours of +m, and +r in #ubuntu-offtopic. On the third day of Christmas, IRCC gave to me bans for three crazies, two hours of +m, and +r in #ubuntu-offtopic... [08:29] lol [08:29] By the time we get to the twelfth day of Christmas, I expect tonyyarusso to be the only one able to talk in there. [08:30] I thought that URLs were still sent in plain text with https, but I just checked and it appears they aren't. [08:30] haha [08:31] rww: And? [08:39] or perhaps add "subjecting the channel to nonsense" before "other attention-seeking behavior" :\ [08:39] in the IRC guidelines, that is [08:40] although that sentence needs rewording as it is, even without additions. [08:41] I don't spend much time in #ubuntu-offtopic I think trying to limit "nonsense" is too subjective, and not really apropriate for an "off topic" channel. [08:43] There's a qualitative difference between off-topic discussion and the sort of problematic behavior that happens in there, though. [08:43] I'll subject you to nonsense like there's no tomorrow! [08:44] See my jabberwocky-esque rambling a few months ago :P [08:44] Anyways, I have to go to sleep. Have fun in opland :) [08:45] liar, you never sleep. [08:45] tonyyarusso: gyre and gimbling toves to you too! [08:45] I have work at 08:00. It is currently 00:45 :( [08:45] I'll go to your work work if you do my homework. [08:45] well that's silly of you [08:46] elky: tonyyarusso just wants to get out of the snow [08:46] rww: Hey, we're in the same time zone. [08:46] nah, I'd like to get out in the snow instead of being stuck inside doing dumbness. [08:47] i'll do the homework if someone else wants to sit on hold to NAB to get them to get them to deliver my card either to my house, or a branch close to me, instead of in anothe state. [08:48] lol [08:48] i'm not going to melbourne to pick up a card! [08:48] the same NAB that got pretty seriously fubared recently? [08:48] that's the one [08:49] you couldn't leave quick enough? [08:49] wasn't particularly affected, actually [08:49] but, card due to name change [08:49] of course [08:50] besides, westpac and c/w are out, so not much in the way of other choice [08:50] that might be any better [08:50] and why exactly do they think you're in melbourne? [08:50] i've no idea. [08:50] they called me about another card, which had landed in melbourne for some reason, and wanted to know where i'd like to pick it up [08:50] name change? [08:50] yeah - got married [08:51] Good lord you've been away a while... [08:51] hehe [08:51] if they drop all calls at 8 when their call centre closes, i'm not going to be happy... [08:53] * tonyyarusso continues trying to process [08:53] process what? [08:54] That Hobbsee got married! [08:54] nah, it's not really that surprising if you've been in the right circles. [08:54] Happy Finnish independence day everyone!!! [08:54] Last time I talked to her I don't even know if she was seeing anyone. Feeling massively out of loop. [08:55] jussi: Wooooo! Finally got the Swedes and Russians occupied with other things at the same time, eh? :P [08:55] tonyyarusso: 93 years old she is! :D [08:57] here's a thought: someone should send an email about the bugtracker being available with SSL [09:00] lol, check out picture 3 - do you not think it looks like Mark? http://is.gd/ihny8 [09:02] tonyyarusso: it was kept pretty quiet [09:05] jussi, heh at a glance yeah [09:07] jussi, ack... 4th at a glance is a splitting image of my evil brother [09:07] heh [09:07] now I dare anyone to write a blogpost that hits planet with that picture in it... :P [09:08] "Jussi dared me to do this jussi: You're a wonderfull catalyst ;) [09:09] right, sorted. they're now ordering all the cards again [09:09] Jordan_U, if he keeps up, next year he'll qualify for the gold spoon of stirring. [09:10] Hobbsee, lolwat? not redirect... reorder? [09:10] elky: apparently it's quicker to reorder them and send them to parramatta [09:10] ... [09:10] * Hobbsee shrugs [09:10] at least i can use the old ones [09:11] I have to go an order new cards for me also - cancelled mine when I lost my wallet, then found my wallet... [09:12] oh dear [09:13] the short version of the long story is, my car broke down. tow truck came to get me, and delivered me home. wallet fell out in the tow truck, I thought it was gone for ever, then I cancelled the cards. then the tow truck guy called me... [09:17] makes perfect sense [09:39] I think grub and grub2 factoids should be separated [09:42] why didn't you order new cards when you cancelled the old ones [09:42] because whenever i have to cancel a card i'm all like plz to send me new card right away because i need the moneys it dispenses [09:44] Myrtti: I agree. They were untill recently. [11:07] elky: cant do that here, theres is a central card agency, that provides the 24h service for card cancellation and forwards it to the bank. then you need to go back to the bank and order cards. [11:07] that's a bit broken then [11:11] jussi: i've done that too [11:12] i canceled cards, found my wallet an hour later [11:12] I dont have a real problem with the system [11:12] 1) Don't lose your cards. [11:12] 2) ... [11:12] given my bqank is open a lot more than normal banks (its part of a shopping chain) (well one of my banks) [11:12] i have also called my provider to shut down my phone, then found the phone a couple of hours later [11:12] 3) Profit. [11:13] topyli: thing is, provider can just pause it, then re-open [11:13] bank wont do that with the cards [11:13] no you have to get a new sim when they close it [11:14] or do you? i don't remember, this is not a recent memory [11:14] topyli: if they close it yes, but they can just block outgoing calls if need be. [11:16] usually they block the phone by IMIE, afik [11:16] *IMEI [11:18] when you report a stolen phone to the police, they will blacklist the phone by IMEI (so that reselling is more difficult). but if you simply lose your phone, they disable the sim [11:18] and start asking you what sort of phone you would like to upgrade to [12:05] Gnea called the ops in #ubuntu (i5noc) [12:05] FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from i5noc) [12:05] oh lord [12:06] volunteers for this mess? [12:06] I need to go soon and I suspect mopping up may take longer than I've got time [12:23] what's up [12:24] i5noc [12:24] he's apparently banned from #debian atm, and Gnea is having trouble with him [12:24] dvanstone: is a pain too [12:25] he's been a nuisance the past few days but I've not been able to nail him from anything [12:25] and having said that, I need to go [12:25] someone else had a problem with him yesterday [12:25] ta ta [12:46] why do people ask if something will work, then when you tell them "no" they carry on saying they will make it work, if that's the idea, then why ask [12:48] People are idiots. Film at 11. [12:48] I gues [12:48] guess [12:52] rww: re: 12 days of #ubuntu-ops christmas, I actually started writing one over the weekend. [12:53] http://pastebin.com/WhjR3B7J [12:55] * Pici clearly has too much free time. [12:57] lawl [12:57] rofl [12:57] * LjL pulls the carpet from under Pici [13:03] hahaha [13:03] Pici: make that public [13:03] Pici: rofl [13:07] let me polish it a little more and I'll throw it up on the blag [13:13] In #ubuntu-offtopic, Seveas said: !enter =~ s/punctuation/spacebar or punctuation/ [15:34] 9 noobies gnawing [15:51] the prize of "Who can type nicknames worst" goes to: [17:50] < dsquared2> mrytii.. [15:52] !pm > xCasualty [15:58] there might be some trolls on the channel atm [15:58] my spider senses are tingling [16:01] yeah... excess flooded themselves off [16:46] meh [16:46] you saw that also huh [16:47] :) [16:48] hm. [16:48] He sent me a pm before after I told him that he was in the support channel. [16:49] Pici: may I pm? [16:49] Myrtti: me? Always. [16:49] Well, not *all* the time. That would be annoying. [16:50] heh [16:53] * Myrtti drops the towel at Elgar [16:56] can't even paste a url proper so it is easily clickable :/ [16:56] you're just using a bad terminal app/IRC client [16:57] terminator works fine :-) [16:57] I am [16:57] ? [19:23] Peoples, if you see a serbian factoid requested (from #ubuntu-rs), please check it is requested by an op there (/msg chanserv access #ubuntu-rs list) - if so, fee free to add channel specific factoids for them. [20:35] I have a nagging feeling I've forgotten something really, really important [20:37] the oven on? [20:37] lock the front door? [20:37] OMG the baby! where's the baby!? [20:37] :P [20:37] I have actually forgotten the hob on while traveling 50km away from it [20:38] and remembering it 2 hours later [20:38] the hob? [20:38] electric hob. [20:38] Whats a hob? [20:38] what's a hob? [20:38] silly Americans [20:38] IdleOne is Canadian. [20:38] I am CANADIAN [20:39] so what is it? [20:39] I'm curious now. [20:39] cooktop [20:39] probably a stove/oven [20:39] sorry, my laptop froze [20:39] hob is short for what? [20:40] how do you get hob from cooktop? [20:40] "In modern British English usage, the word refers to a cooktop or hotplate, as distinguished from an oven." [20:40] you crazy UKians [20:40] OY! [20:40] ahh, hotplate [20:40] I'm FINNISH! (with a British partner) [20:41] you don't have to get all upset :( [20:41] was just asking, sheesh. Finnishians :P [20:42] I have no idea. I use the language, I don't create it [20:42] I'm going to start using the word 'hob'. [20:43] it's such a homey word [20:43] is a hob a bit like hobnob? :D [20:43] it will certainly get you some looks in your daily life [20:43] mmmm hobnobs.... [20:43] or is that hobknobs? [20:43] turn down the hobknob [20:44] Google has a lot of unrelated definitions for hob. [20:44] * charlie-tca has the whole stove here, not just the top [20:44] http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:+hob [20:48] hm, I sure hope whatever is happening in #freenode doesn't spread to #ubuntu [20:53] certainly won't while it's +r [20:54] I still have a nagging feeling I've forgotten something important, and it's not about IRC [20:54] arggghhh [20:54] Myrtti: don't worry about it and it will come to you [20:56] I suppose I should check my worklaptop about what it might be [20:58] !9.10 [20:58] Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) was the eleventh release of Ubuntu. Downloading: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ - Release Notes: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910 [20:58] not eol yet :( [20:59] !grub2 [20:59] GRUB is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [20:59] hm [20:59] so in karmic it already was grub2? [21:00] * Myrtti counts with fingers [21:49] yes [22:01] * tonyyarusso giggles at Planet [22:02] "Loco with huge member" - oh, you DIDN'T mean .us? Huh. [22:02] *members, rather [22:03] Apparently it's an English fail, and they mean they have a lot of members, not that their members like McDonald's a little too much. [22:03] i was thinking of yet another meaning... [22:08] Bad LjL! [22:10] someone has been watching too much Austin Powers [22:10] I'm the first one to confess. [22:10] Any Austin Powers is too much Austin Powers. [22:57] I didn't op myself [22:58] why did my client op me [23:05] magic! [23:05] one of them "smartclients"? [23:07] is it just me or is -ot a total sausage fest right now? [23:10] ah, now they've moved on to talking about hardware [23:22] Myrtti, pretty much down to comparing, yeah. [23:23] I should stop knitting and watching Attenborough and go to bed [23:25] Statistically, -ot is a sausagefest :(