[04:31] <Jordan_U> How do I access the ban tracker?
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> @btlogin
[04:31] <rww> Jordan_U: type @login in PM with ubottu or in an ubottu channel, then @btlogin. If you're set up properly, it should PM you a URL
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> Of course, if you do @btlogin before @login, it just ignores you :P
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> And it will forget your @login after a while even if you don't /quit (1 day?)
[04:32] <Jordan_U> rww: Thanks.
[04:33] <Jordan_U> I really like how it shows the recent logs from that time.
[04:33] <rww> Jordan_U: probably best to keep the URL in a bookmark or something, assuming you're the only one who uses your account. and keep the URL private, since it's your login credential.
[04:38] <Jordan_U> How long should I keep a ban on a blatant troll?
[04:41] <rww> depends on the op and the person. as I understand it, generally until they find their way to #ubuntu-ops or your PM window and agree to not act up in the future
[04:43] <Jordan_U> No communication from them (at least with me, and I set the ban). But eventually the ban list will fill up, correct?
[04:44] <rww> yup. at which point you look at your bans, judge which can be removed, and remove them
[04:44] <rww> we're looking at a few months before it fills up again, I think. I grabbed the graph of bans in #ubuntu over time and drew lines on it, and it came out to 3 months before we hit maximum
[04:46] <rww> http://status.nullcortex.com/other/other/ircbans-year.png , the big drop is when all the uncommented bans got cleared out about a month ago
[04:46] <rww> (and 3 months was a conservative estimate)
[05:52]  * rww sighs at -offtopic
[08:10] <ikonia> who lets these fools into #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:10] <ikonia> we need some sort of topic in that channel or a better set of guidelines
[08:10] <ikonia> I know it's been said before, but it's just rubbish
[08:11] <elky> which?
[08:11] <ikonia> pretty much all of them
[08:11]  * elky is prioritising pizza before reading backscroll
[08:11] <ikonia> wise
[08:12] <rww> I wonder if setting +r would help any. Seems like a lot of the crazies don't bother registering with NickServ.
[08:12] <ikonia> yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
[08:12] <elky> lol
[08:13] <rww> I've suggested it before in jest, but the more I think about it, the less of a bad idea it seems :\
[08:13] <elky> careful rww, you're getting him excited again, and i'm too busy eating pizza to clean up the puddle.
[08:14] <maco> i took pills and ate pizza bagel bites today. it was yummy
[08:14] <IdleOne> the pills or the pizza?
[08:14] <maco> the pizza
[08:14] <elky> the pills let her eat the pizza
[08:14] <maco> the pills tasted like chalk but made the pizza edible
[08:14] <IdleOne> oh, well then that is good
[08:14] <rww> oh, I thought they let her deal with #ubuntu-offtopic. totally took the wrong interpretation there.
[08:17] <elky> rww to be honest though, if we could be assured by the ircc that taking a hard stance in -ot would be actively backed up by them, that'd be more effective than making it +r. a toy bot with decent rate limiting would also help as a distraction
[08:17] <elky> we used to be able to derail about 70% of bickering by pulling out bofh, chuck, t, etc
[08:19] <IdleOne> I miss lart
[08:19] <IdleOne> lart was nice
[08:19] <IdleOne> IRCC bring back the lart in -ot
[08:19] <elky> lart less so...
[08:19] <rww> IRCC please ignore IdleOne, he's had too much to drink
[08:19] <IdleOne> I have not
[08:20] <maco> is there still hammertime?
[08:20] <elky> !hammertime
[08:20] <maco> excellent
[08:20] <elky> limited use, it's not the shiny random ooh-what-will-be-next effect
[08:20] <rww> IdleOne: it was rather hard to get certain people to stop using rather unfriendly /me commands when they could point to ubottu hitting people with a baseball bat.
[08:21] <elky> yeah
[08:21] <elky> you're up against /that/ mental age
[08:22] <maco> i liked it when ubottu divided people by zero
[08:22] <elky> a limited lart list might work
[08:22] <elky> there were some really awful ones in there by the end
[08:23] <IdleOne> I think heavier handed use of +b might be good
[08:23] <rww> I think it'd probably be possible to CoCify @lart, yes.
[08:23] <elky> i think so too
[08:23] <elky> IdleOne, no, +m
[08:23] <elky> there's nothing mission critical about -ot. mute the bejeebus out of it imho
[08:23] <elky> but the ircc may disagree
[08:24] <rww> (previous statement does not imply that CoCifying it and bringing it back is a good idea ;)
[08:25] <elky> what do we have to lose. the off button is easier than the on button
[08:25] <rww> Perhaps we should declare December to be National #ubuntu-offtopic Experiment Month. One week of +r, one week of looser interpretations of various !guidelines... ;D
[08:26] <Myrtti> rww, Jordan_U, tonyyarusso just a reminder if you haven't seen it, bantracker has SSL now, ubottu isn't aware of it yet but replacing the http with https should work
[08:26] <Flannel> rww: One week of -c!
[08:26] <Myrtti> the certificate is selfsigned but still
[08:26] <rww> Myrtti: Yes, I updated my link copypasta accordingly. Thanks for poking people into doing it :)
[08:26] <elky> rww i think january is better, it's the gone-to-hell-please-schools-take-them-back month here.
[08:27] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: How does authentication work?
[08:27] <elky> Myrtti, ohai! you're really really back? :D
[08:27] <Myrtti> Jordan_U: authenticate as usual with ubottu, copypaste the address from it to your browser, replace http to https and rock and rll
[08:28] <Myrtti> elky: for time being
[08:28] <rww> On the first day of Christmas, IRCC gave to me, +r in #ubuntu-offtopic. On the second day of Christmas, IRCC gave to me two hours of +m, and +r in #ubuntu-offtopic. On the third day of Christmas, IRCC gave to me bans for three crazies, two hours of +m, and +r in #ubuntu-offtopic...
[08:29] <elky> lol
[08:29] <rww> By the time we get to the twelfth day of Christmas, I expect tonyyarusso to be the only one able to talk in there.
[08:30] <Jordan_U> I thought that URLs were still sent in plain text with https, but I just checked and it appears they aren't.
[08:30] <tonyyarusso> haha
[08:31] <Jordan_U> rww: And?
[08:39] <rww> or perhaps add "subjecting the channel to nonsense" before "other attention-seeking behavior" :\
[08:39] <rww> in the IRC guidelines, that is
[08:40] <rww> although that sentence needs rewording as it is, even without additions.
[08:41] <Jordan_U> I don't spend much time in #ubuntu-offtopic I think trying to limit "nonsense" is too subjective, and not really apropriate for an "off topic" channel.
[08:43] <rww> There's a qualitative difference between off-topic discussion and the sort of problematic behavior that happens in there, though.
[08:43] <tonyyarusso> I'll subject you to nonsense like there's no tomorrow!
[08:44] <tonyyarusso> See my jabberwocky-esque rambling a few months ago :P
[08:44] <rww> Anyways, I have to go to sleep. Have fun in opland :)
[08:45] <elky> liar, you never sleep.
[08:45] <Flannel> tonyyarusso: gyre and gimbling toves to you too!
[08:45] <rww> I have work at 08:00. It is currently 00:45 :(
[08:45] <tonyyarusso> I'll go to your work work if you do my homework.
[08:45] <elky> well that's silly of you
[08:46] <Flannel> elky: tonyyarusso just wants to get out of the snow
[08:46] <Jordan_U> rww: Hey, we're in the same time zone.
[08:46] <tonyyarusso> nah, I'd like to get out in the snow instead of being stuck inside doing dumbness.
[08:47] <Hobbsee> i'll do the homework if someone else wants to sit on hold to NAB to get them to get them to deliver my card either to my house, or a branch close to me, instead of in anothe state.
[08:48] <elky> lol
[08:48] <Hobbsee> i'm not going to melbourne to pick up a card!
[08:48] <elky> the same NAB that got pretty seriously fubared recently?
[08:48] <Hobbsee> that's the one
[08:49] <elky> you couldn't leave quick enough?
[08:49] <Hobbsee> wasn't particularly affected, actually
[08:49] <Hobbsee> but, card due to name change
[08:49] <elky> of course
[08:50] <Hobbsee> besides, westpac and c/w are out, so not much in the way of other choice
[08:50] <Hobbsee> that might be any better
[08:50] <elky> and why exactly do they think you're in melbourne?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> i've no idea.
[08:50] <Hobbsee> they called me about another card, which had landed in melbourne for some reason, and wanted to know where i'd like to pick it up
[08:50] <tonyyarusso> name change?
[08:50] <Hobbsee> yeah - got married
[08:51] <tonyyarusso> Good lord you've been away a while...
[08:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:51] <Hobbsee> if they drop all calls at 8 when their call centre closes, i'm not going to be happy...
[08:53]  * tonyyarusso continues trying to process
[08:53] <elky> process what?
[08:54] <tonyyarusso> That Hobbsee got married!
[08:54] <elky> nah, it's not really that surprising if you've been in the right circles.
[08:54] <jussi> Happy Finnish independence day everyone!!!
[08:54] <tonyyarusso> Last time I talked to her I don't even know if she was seeing anyone.  Feeling massively out of loop.
[08:55] <tonyyarusso> jussi: Wooooo!  Finally got the Swedes and Russians occupied with other things at the same time, eh?  :P
[08:55] <jussi> tonyyarusso: 93 years old she is! :D
[08:57] <Myrtti> here's a thought: someone should send an email about the bugtracker being available with SSL
[09:00] <jussi> lol, check out picture 3 - do you not think it looks like Mark? http://is.gd/ihny8
[09:02] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: it was kept pretty quiet
[09:05] <elky> jussi, heh at a glance yeah
[09:07] <elky> jussi, ack... 4th at a glance is a splitting image of my evil brother
[09:07] <jussi> heh
[09:07] <jussi> now I dare anyone to write a blogpost that hits planet with that picture in it... :P
[09:08] <elky> "Jussi dared me to do this <img..."
[09:08] <Jordan_U> jussi: You're a wonderfull catalyst ;)
[09:09] <Hobbsee> right, sorted.  they're now ordering all the cards again
[09:09] <elky> Jordan_U,  if he keeps up, next year he'll qualify for the gold spoon of stirring.
[09:10] <elky> Hobbsee, lolwat? not redirect... reorder?
[09:10] <Hobbsee> elky: apparently it's quicker to reorder them and send them to parramatta
[09:10] <elky> ...
[09:10]  * Hobbsee shrugs
[09:10] <Hobbsee> at least i can use the old ones
[09:11] <jussi> I have to go an order new cards for me also - cancelled mine when I lost my wallet, then found my wallet...
[09:12] <Hobbsee> oh dear
[09:13] <jussi> the short version of the long story is, my car broke down. tow truck came to get me, and delivered me home. wallet fell out in the tow truck, I thought it was gone for ever, then I cancelled the cards. then the tow truck guy called me...
[09:17] <Hobbsee> makes perfect sense
[09:39] <Myrtti> I think grub and grub2 factoids should be separated
[09:42] <elky> why didn't you order new cards when you cancelled the old ones
[09:42] <elky> because whenever i have to cancel a card i'm all like plz to send me new card right away because i need the moneys it dispenses
[09:44] <Jordan_U> Myrtti: I agree. They were untill recently.
[11:07] <jussi> elky: cant do that here, theres is a central card agency, that provides the 24h service for card cancellation and forwards it to the bank. then you need to go back to the bank and order cards.
[11:07] <elky> that's a bit broken then
[11:11] <topyli> jussi: i've done that too
[11:12] <topyli> i canceled cards, found my wallet an hour later
[11:12] <jussi> I dont have a real problem with the system
[11:12] <jpds> 1) Don't lose your cards.
[11:12] <jpds> 2) ...
[11:12] <jussi> given my bqank is open a lot more than normal banks (its part of a shopping chain) (well one of my banks)
[11:12] <topyli> i have also called my provider to shut down my phone, then found the phone a couple of hours later
[11:12] <jpds> 3) Profit.
[11:13] <jussi> topyli: thing is, provider can just pause it, then re-open
[11:13] <jussi> bank wont do that with the cards
[11:13] <topyli> no you have to get a new sim when they close it
[11:14] <topyli> or do you? i don't remember, this is not a recent memory
[11:14] <jussi> topyli: if they close it yes, but they can just block outgoing calls if need be.
[11:16] <tsimpson> usually they block the phone by IMIE, afik
[11:16] <tsimpson> *IMEI
[11:18] <topyli> when you report a stolen phone to the police, they will blacklist the phone by IMEI (so that reselling is more difficult). but if you simply lose your phone, they disable the sim
[11:18] <topyli> and start asking you what sort of phone you would like to upgrade to
[12:05] <Myrtti> oh lord
[12:06] <Myrtti> volunteers for this mess?
[12:06] <Myrtti> I need to go soon and I suspect mopping up may take longer than I've got time
[12:23] <ikonia> what's up
[12:24] <Myrtti> i5noc
[12:24] <Myrtti> he's apparently banned from #debian atm, and Gnea is having trouble with him
[12:24] <ikonia> dvanstone: is a pain too
[12:25] <Myrtti> he's been a nuisance the past few days but I've not been able to nail him from anything
[12:25] <Myrtti> and having said that, I need to go
[12:25] <ikonia> someone else had a problem with him yesterday
[12:25] <ikonia> ta ta
[12:46] <ikonia> why do people ask if something will work, then when you tell them "no" they carry on saying they will make it work, if that's the idea, then why ask
[12:48] <popey> People are idiots. Film at 11.
[12:48] <ikonia> I gues
[12:48] <ikonia> guess
[12:52] <Pici> rww: re: 12 days of #ubuntu-ops christmas, I actually started writing one over the weekend.
[12:53] <Pici> http://pastebin.com/WhjR3B7J
[12:55]  * Pici clearly has too much free time.
[12:57] <knome> lawl
[12:57] <knome> rofl
[12:57]  * LjL pulls the carpet from under Pici
[13:03] <topyli> hahaha
[13:03] <topyli> Pici: make that public
[13:03] <Hobbsee> Pici: rofl
[13:07] <Pici> let me polish it a little more and I'll throw it up on the blag
[15:34] <Myrtti> 9 noobies gnawing
[15:51] <Myrtti> the prize of "Who can type nicknames worst" goes to: [17:50] < dsquared2> mrytii..
[15:52] <Myrtti> !pm > xCasualty
[15:58] <Myrtti> there might be some trolls on the channel atm
[15:58] <Myrtti> my spider senses are tingling
[16:01] <Myrtti> yeah... excess flooded themselves off
[16:46] <Pici> meh
[16:46] <IdleOne> you saw that also huh
[16:47] <IdleOne> :)
[16:48] <Myrtti> hm.
[16:48] <Pici> He sent me a pm before after I told him that he was in the support channel.
[16:49] <Myrtti> Pici: may I pm?
[16:49] <Pici> Myrtti: me? Always.
[16:49] <Pici> Well, not *all* the time.  That would be annoying.
[16:50] <IdleOne> heh
[16:53]  * Myrtti drops the towel at Elgar
[16:56] <IdleOne> can't even paste a url proper so it is easily clickable :/
[16:56] <Myrtti> you're just using a bad terminal app/IRC client
[16:57] <Myrtti> terminator works fine :-)
[16:57] <IdleOne> I am
[16:57] <IdleOne> ?
[19:23] <jussi> Peoples, if you see a serbian factoid requested (from #ubuntu-rs), please check it is requested by an op there (/msg chanserv access #ubuntu-rs list) - if so, fee free to add channel specific factoids for them.
[20:35] <Myrtti> I have a nagging feeling I've forgotten something really, really important
[20:37] <IdleOne> the oven on?
[20:37] <IdleOne> lock the front door?
[20:37] <IdleOne> OMG the baby! where's the baby!?
[20:37] <IdleOne> :P
[20:37] <Myrtti> I have actually forgotten the hob on while traveling 50km away from it
[20:38] <Myrtti> and remembering it 2 hours later
[20:38] <IdleOne> the hob?
[20:38] <Myrtti> electric hob.
[20:38] <Pici> Whats a hob?
[20:38] <IdleOne> what's a hob?
[20:38] <Myrtti> silly Americans
[20:38] <Pici> IdleOne is Canadian.
[20:38] <IdleOne> I am CANADIAN
[20:39] <IdleOne> so what is it?
[20:39] <Pici> I'm curious now.
[20:39] <Myrtti> cooktop
[20:39] <IdleOne> probably a stove/oven
[20:39] <Myrtti> sorry, my laptop froze
[20:39] <IdleOne> hob is short for what?
[20:40] <IdleOne> how do you get hob from cooktop?
[20:40] <Myrtti> "In modern British English usage, the word refers to a cooktop or hotplate, as distinguished from an oven."
[20:40] <IdleOne> you crazy UKians
[20:40] <Myrtti> OY!
[20:40] <IdleOne> ahh, hotplate
[20:40] <Myrtti> I'm FINNISH! (with a British partner)
[20:41] <IdleOne> you don't have to get all upset :(
[20:41] <IdleOne> was just asking, sheesh. Finnishians :P
[20:42] <Myrtti> I have no idea. I use the language, I don't create it
[20:42] <Pici> I'm going to start using the word 'hob'.
[20:43] <Myrtti> it's such a homey word
[20:43] <jussi> is a hob a bit like hobnob? :D
[20:43] <IdleOne> it will certainly get you some looks in your daily life
[20:43] <Myrtti> mmmm hobnobs....
[20:43] <Pici> or is that hobknobs?
[20:43] <IdleOne> turn down the hobknob
[20:44] <Pici> Google has a lot of unrelated definitions for hob.
[20:44]  * charlie-tca has the whole stove here, not just the top
[20:44] <Pici> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=define:+hob
[20:48] <Myrtti> hm, I sure hope whatever is happening in #freenode doesn't spread to #ubuntu
[20:53] <LjL> certainly won't while it's +r
[20:54] <Myrtti> I still have a nagging feeling I've forgotten something important, and it's not about IRC
[20:54] <Myrtti> arggghhh
[20:54] <IdleOne> Myrtti: don't worry about it and it will come to you
[20:56] <Myrtti> I suppose I should check my worklaptop about what it might be
[20:58] <Myrtti> !9.10
[20:58] <Pici> not eol yet :(
[20:59] <Myrtti> !grub2
[20:59] <Myrtti> hm
[20:59] <Myrtti> so in karmic it already was grub2?
[21:00]  * Myrtti counts with fingers
[21:49] <tonyyarusso> yes
[22:01]  * tonyyarusso giggles at Planet
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> "Loco with huge member" - oh, you DIDN'T mean .us?  Huh.
[22:02] <tonyyarusso> *members, rather
[22:03] <tonyyarusso> Apparently it's an English fail, and they mean they have a lot of members, not that their members like McDonald's a little too much.
[22:03] <LjL> i was thinking of yet another meaning...
[22:08] <tonyyarusso> Bad LjL!
[22:10] <Myrtti> someone has been watching too much Austin Powers
[22:10] <Myrtti> I'm the first one to confess.
[22:10] <tonyyarusso> Any Austin Powers is too much Austin Powers.
[22:57] <IdleOne> I didn't op myself
[22:58] <IdleOne> why did my client op me
[23:05] <Myrtti> magic!
[23:05] <charlie-tca> one of them "smartclients"?
[23:07] <Myrtti> is it just me or is -ot a total sausage fest right now?
[23:10] <Myrtti> ah, now they've moved on to talking about hardware
[23:22] <elky> Myrtti, pretty much down to comparing, yeah.
[23:23] <Myrtti> I should stop knitting and watching Attenborough and go to bed
[23:25] <rww> Statistically, -ot is a sausagefest :(