[00:35] <czajkowski> aloha
[00:36] <dutchie> ooh, it boots on the older kernel
[08:00] <MooDoo> morning all
[08:01] <daubers> Morning
[08:02] <Craig_Dem> Good Morning
[08:02] <Craig_Dem> And for the sixth day in a row, no school!
[08:04] <MooDoo> the one school in our village that's stayed open, the head has now got to write a letter to parents to explain why he's stayed open due to 3 parents complaining lol
[08:04] <Craig_Dem> Ouch
[08:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:17] <MooDoo> czajkowski, morning
[08:22] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ello hows things
[08:26]  * daubers ponders tea
[08:31] <czajkowski> tea never needs to be pondered only consumed
[08:35] <daubers> czajkowski: How's tricks?
[08:35] <czajkowski> good thanks at a conference
[08:35] <daubers> shiny
[08:35] <MooDoo> czajkowski, yeah i'm fine.....:)  hows the conference going?
[08:36] <czajkowski> aye rather busy too
[08:36] <czajkowski> more than 50 talks over the next few days
[08:36] <czajkowski> and over 200 people
[08:36] <MooDoo> wow lots of talk there
[08:36]  * daubers ponders getting some IAMs
[08:39] <MooDoo> daubers, IAMs as in the pet food stuff?
[08:40] <daubers> MooDoo: Individual Applience Moniter whatsits
[08:40] <MooDoo> daubers, i knew that ;) well done you passed my test :D
[08:41] <daubers> MooDoo: :p
[08:42] <daubers> I just want to see when the electric heaters pop on and off individually. Quite hard to do that from a single data display
[08:42] <czajkowski> daubers: they kinda work
[08:42] <daubers> kinda?
[08:43] <czajkowski> but depends on the area you need to use them and how often
[08:45] <czajkowski> n
[08:45] <czajkowski> nm got them confused with tens
[08:47] <daubers> czajkowski: Ahhhh :) Was very confused then.....
[08:48] <daubers> Anyone know when the new menu thing is landing in Natty?
[08:48] <MooDoo> daubers, new menu thing?
[08:48] <MooDoo> you mean unity?
[08:49] <daubers> MooDoo: The ubuntu menu for unity, the bit that shows all the appications properly rather than opening a nautilus window :)
[08:50] <MartijnVdS> daubers: reddit.com/r/iama ? :)
[08:54]  * TheOpenSourcerer 's car is now in a ditch :-(
[08:54] <AlanBell> yikes
[08:54] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: eep everyone ok?
[08:54] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: ...... explain?
[08:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Yes - it was a slow motion skid
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Bloody Ocado van stopped halfway down a hill with no traffic or houses on it. road was like oiled glass.
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> I did well to miss it frankly.
[08:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> Then he drove off!
[08:55] <czajkowski> :s
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Stroppy mail to Ocado will be winging it's way shortly.
[08:56] <daubers> TheOpenSourcerer: Get the reg?
[08:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> Nope, but know the time/location.
[08:59] <AlanBell> need hauling out?
[09:00] <AlanBell> or is it broken as well as in a ditch?
[09:01] <czajkowski> TheOpenSourcerer: glad everyone is ok, much damage ?
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> ,adhd
[09:01] <MartijnVdS> oops, wrong channel :)
[09:10] <wintellect> Mornin all
[09:15] <MooDoo> wintellect, morn
[09:17] <wintellect> hello MooDoo
[09:17] <Flashtek> o/
[09:17] <MartijnVdS> "moo doo" = cow feces?
[09:18] <daubers> MartijnVdS: Play nice
[09:18]  * MartijnVdS will :)
[09:18] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, thanks for that :D
[09:18] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: well, "moo juice" is milk.. so I thought..
[09:18]  * MartijnVdS will stop thinking, sorry :)
[09:18] <MooDoo> MartijnVdS, silly boy : D lol
[09:18] <Flashtek> lol
[09:19] <Flashtek> there is logic there..
[09:19] <MooDoo> if you really must know, VooDoo was already registered and someone, i can't remember who, went moooooooooooooooooooooo so there you go the change
[09:19] <Flashtek> after all, what is doggie doo ?
[09:20] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: Ah, cow zombies
[09:20] <MooDoo> yes yes, it wasn't funny the first time, time give it a rest :p
[09:20] <Flashtek> Thalmatergic Bovines
[09:21] <screen-x> morning :)
[09:21] <MooDoo> screen-x, morning
[09:21] <daubers> Morning screen-x
[09:22] <MartijnVdS> \o
[09:23] <screen-x> so how are we all, this fine December Monday?
[09:23] <MooDoo> screen-x, it's cold on them there hills
[09:33] <czajkowski> fantastic keynote by simon phipps
[09:33] <screen-x> which event czajkowski?
[09:37] <czajkowski> postgres
[09:37] <MartijnVdS> there's a postgres event?
[09:37] <czajkowski> follow #pgdayeu on twitter to see what folks are saying
[09:37] <screen-x> thanks
[09:37] <czajkowski> 2010.pgday.eu
[09:48] <Flashtek> jack frost has been to visit Plymouth ppl..
[09:49] <popey> czajkowski: give the enterprisedb people a poke in the eye for me
[09:50] <popey> czajkowski: they cluelessly send out spam with "Dear <name>" in, or a name, but not my name in.
[09:50] <MooDoo> popey, if we had to poke all the companies in the world that are lazy and don't check their emails, we would, and me especially, have sore fingers :D
[09:52] <popey> sure, but she's standing near them
[09:53] <MooDoo> czajkowski, double poke time then
[09:55] <Flashtek> heya popey
[09:56] <popey> lo
[09:57] <Flashtek> how is ?
[09:58] <MooDoo> Flashtek, the weather?
[09:58] <MooDoo> ;)
[09:58] <Flashtek> yeah
[09:58] <Flashtek> how is the weather
[09:59] <Flashtek> like I can't find that out..
[09:59] <popey> http://popey.com/webcam/ snow melting
[09:59] <MooDoo> Flashtek, well how is? doesn't really make sense does it :p
[09:59] <Flashtek> how is popey ?
[10:00] <kazade> morning all
[10:00] <MooDoo> kazade, good morning
[10:01] <Flashtek> wheeee.... http://portal.wattsure.com/all/gendash/136
[10:02] <kevinw> can anyone shed light on the error: EXPIRED: Instance expired after not being reported for 600000 - im trying to setup a cloud and every instances terminates with this error
[10:03] <AlanBell> amazon cloud?
[10:05] <kevinw> ubuntu
[10:06] <nperry> Morning o/
[10:06] <webpigeon_web> morning
[10:08] <kevinw> i have installed it on two machines using the 10.04 cd, one node is the cloud controller etc, and the other is a node controller, all running public IP's
[10:18] <czajkowski> kevinw: #ubuntu-cloud might be more helpful
[10:18] <kevinw> ive tried in there but not had any responces
[10:18] <kevinw> i thought id give here a try on the off chance
[10:18] <czajkowski> kevinw: be patient it'
[10:18] <czajkowski> it'
[10:18] <czajkowski> it's irc
[10:19] <czajkowski> and rather early
[10:19]  * jpds considers 6am to be early.
[10:19] <kevinw> fair comment
[10:19] <MooDoo> jpds, that's my normal get up time.....
[10:19] <jpds> MooDoo: Likewise.
[10:20] <MooDoo> jpds, mines not by choice with a 2 year old :D
[10:20] <czajkowski> popey: enterprise db person is an organiser shall poke them after the party tonight
[10:21] <Flashtek> popey: ever seen a cat jump while looking down ?
[10:21] <MooDoo> Flashtek, what a bizarre question for monday, or maybe i've not had enough coffee yet :D
[10:23] <popey> Flashtek: que?
[10:23] <webpigeon_web> does
[10:23] <danfish> morning all
[10:23] <webpigeon_web> does the cat command count?
[10:23] <webpigeon_web> hey danfish?
[10:24] <webpigeon_web> damn phone irc client.
[10:24]  * MooDoo wants to go watch a cat jump while looking down to see what happens
[10:30] <MooDoo> danfish, morning
[10:31] <webpigeon_web> moodoo I have 8 of them and i can't remember any of the doing it
[10:34] <MooDoo> lol
[10:35] <webpigeon_web> although can't say i was paying that much attention: p
[10:42] <czajkowski> dear weather app work and stop confusing me
[10:42] <popey> czajkowski: iphone weather app?
[10:42] <danfish> czajkowski: just look out of the window :)
[10:43] <czajkowski> popey: nope laptop, lucid. it's ticked to show weather but not actually doing so
[10:44] <jpds> czajkowski: Have you set a 'home' city?
[10:45] <czajkowski> yup
[10:46] <hoover> hi folks
[10:47] <czajkowski> http://twitpic.com/3dfn0k
[10:49] <jpds> czajkowski: So if you click on it, and go to "Locations:", there's a city with a little house?
[10:50] <kaushal> hi
[10:51] <kaushal> is there a way to install IE on Ubuntu 10.10 ?
[10:51] <kaushal> I need IE due to browser restrictions
[10:51] <czajkowski> yup
[10:51] <kaushal> I have HP servers where in the IPMI supports only IE
[10:52] <czajkowski> jpds: yup
[10:52] <jpds> czajkowski: Hmm.
[10:52] <popey> kaushal: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page
[10:52] <czajkowski> jpds: shall reboot a few times]
[10:52] <czajkowski> usually knocks some sense into it
[10:52] <czajkowski> :s
[10:52] <popey> o_O
[10:52] <czajkowski> wont be running lucid for much longer on this one
[10:53] <czajkowski> popey: see phips reply to you
[10:54] <jpds> czajkowski: Three times.
[10:54] <czajkowski> twice seems to do it, same way lately when i'm connected to wifi it actually displays me not connected when i am
[10:54] <czajkowski> :s
[10:55] <popey> czajkowski: i have
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> Love it - Andrew Marr apparently repeated Jim Naughtie's faux pas in Start The Week just an hour or so later... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11925556
[10:57] <popey> he did
[10:57]  * popey has the mp3 :)
[10:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[10:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> It's hear: http://tindeck.com/listen/qlev
[10:59] <AlanBell> oh dear
[11:01] <kaushal> popey: Thanks
[11:01] <kaushal> czajkowski: Thanks
[11:06] <czajkowski> kaushal: oh i wasnt saying yes to you, sorry
[11:06] <czajkowski> jpds: yup 2 reboots fixes it
[11:18] <selinuxium> Morning all!  o/
[11:19] <czajkowski> selinuxium: seeing you here more often these days
[11:19] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Trying to get my attendance back up. :)
[11:19]  * TheOpenSourcerer is glad selinuxium wasn't around when I made the Essex joke ;-)
[11:19] <selinuxium> Sadly, can't make the Xmas party... :(
[11:20] <selinuxium> TheOpenSourcerer, I probably have much worse ones under my belt.. :)
[11:20] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[11:20] <czajkowski> selinuxium: tis ok, neither can i
[11:20] <czajkowski> we shall have new year event drinks!
[11:20] <selinuxium> Hell Yeah!
[11:21] <czajkowski> danfish: is gonna organise a rugby /pub session
[11:21] <czajkowski> so we go to a pub watch rugby and catch up
[11:21] <MooDoo> czajkowski, that sounds awesome
[11:21] <czajkowski> MooDoo: doesn't it :D
[11:22] <czajkowski> London Irish have a ton of games on in the new year
[11:22] <czajkowski> we just need to find a weekend, pick a pub and meet
[11:22] <MooDoo> czajkowski, well seeing as i'm a harlequins fan i'll have to make a visit to the stoop :D
[11:22] <danfish> czajkowski: oh yeah - I remember now. I'll look into that this week - d'ya think before or after Chrimbo?
[11:22] <czajkowski> after so i can join :D
[11:23] <danfish> when are England playing Ireland?
[11:23] <czajkowski> not sure i want to be around folks during that game, my language will not be CoC friendly
[11:23] <MooDoo> you think i want to be in the vacinity of czajkowski  when england play ireland?  if england loose i owe her a pint
[11:23] <czajkowski> march 19th
[11:24] <danfish> (no access to web browser at the mo)
[11:24] <czajkowski> it's being played in ireland so going to a pub in uk could be fun
[11:24] <MooDoo> czajkowski, i think we need to organize an ubuntu-uk/rugby fans meet up then :)
[11:24] <danfish> it would be awesome :)
[11:25] <czajkowski> MooDoo: that's what we're doing
[11:25] <czajkowski> ok so march 19th
[11:25] <MooDoo> czajkowski, and i could never believe anything but roses could come out of your mouth ;)
[11:25] <czajkowski> load of notice to find a pub suitable and enough notice
[11:25] <danfish> may I suggest somewhere near Clapham for ease of train access?
[11:25] <czajkowski> MooDoo: ahh bless tis clear we've never met
[11:25] <czajkowski> danfish: sounds good
[11:26] <czajkowski> whooo funky event :D
[11:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski, clearly, and i'm not sure i'm brave enough to come down, even though i probably tower above you ;)
[11:26] <czajkowski> MooDoo: bah shurup and come join the fun
[11:26] <MooDoo> czajkowski, i'm there :D
[11:26] <czajkowski> hmm so anyone know any decent pubs in clapham ?
[11:29] <davmor2> morning all
[11:30] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello my dear
[11:30] <davmor2> czajkowski: your being all pleasant did you miss me ;)
[11:31] <czajkowski> davmor2: hardly, but we're organising a meet up regarding beer/rugby and ubuntu so in good form
[11:31] <davmor2> czajkowski: nice
[11:33] <MooDoo> davmor2, it's going to be nice to see czajkowski when england beat her beloved ireland :p
[11:35] <MooDoo> davmor2, either that or buy her a pint when england get stuffed :D
[11:35] <selinuxium> czajkowski, I think MooDoo is in for a RUDE awakening... :)
[11:35] <MooDoo> selinuxium, i'm a big boy i can take care of my self, besides i'll just bring a box and gum shield
[11:35] <danfish> czajkowski: there's loads to chose from - depends on how rowdy you like em :)
[11:36] <MooDoo> danfish, nice and chilled i reckon
[11:36] <czajkowski> MooDoo: in the last 7 games ye've won once that's going back to march 04
[11:36] <MooDoo> czajkowski, stats schmats....:p
[11:37] <davmor2> MooDoo: you need to buy her extra sticky toffee if Ireland win so it gum czajkowski gob shut, you'll never hear the end of it else
[11:37] <czajkowski> lol
[11:38] <czajkowski> danfish: makes no difference to me, once it has beer and we can get in and even book off an area in advance would be even better
[11:38] <danfish> czajkowski: I'll bet you £10 on England to win (if you pay up front I'll make it £5 :P)
[11:38] <czajkowski> lol
[11:38] <czajkowski> look as long as we have a good day with beers and banter it'll be fun
[11:38] <danfish> agreed
[11:39] <danfish> I'll check a few venues this week and report back
[11:40] <czajkowski> sweet
[11:40] <czajkowski> selinuxium: you in ?
[11:40] <MooDoo> davmor2, lol i'll remember that
[12:08] <MooDoo> and it's all gone quiet.
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> MooDoo: everyone's having lunch :)
[12:13] <Flashtek> i'm not
[12:13] <danfish> or is thinking about lunch
[12:13] <MartijnVdS> Flashtek: you just don't know it yet
[12:14] <davmor2> MooDoo: everyone is scared that czajkowski might be nice to them too
[12:14] <Flashtek> oh, I'm thinking about it..
[12:14] <Flashtek> just don't think about a pink elephant
[12:15] <MartijnVdS> Flashtek: just had some, on toast
[12:18] <Flashtek> elephant ?
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> pink elephant
[12:19] <Flashtek> how do you have it ?
[12:19] <Flashtek> rare ?
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> as a pate
[12:19] <Flashtek> ah, pink elephant pate.. nice..
[12:19] <MartijnVdS> but yes, it's very rare :)
[12:20] <Flashtek> lol
[12:20] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Sorry, in on what? :)
[12:20] <selinuxium> czajkowski, Allways up for beer and rugby! :)
[12:29] <MooDoo> selinuxium, czajkowski is planning a beer sesh england/ireland rugby
[12:29] <MooDoo> selinuxium, march 19th
[12:41] <czajkowski> :)
[12:44] <daubers> *sigh*
[12:44] <daubers> I wish they'd drop this "superfast means fibre" attitude
[12:47] <popey> http://www.serversplus.com/mailshots/microservercashback.html
[12:47] <yasahiro> Hello.
[12:47] <popey> mini server under 100 quid
[12:48] <yasahiro> After 100 back, yeah.
[12:48] <Nafallo> popey: 1U?
[12:50] <MooDoo> Nafallo, look at the link, looks like a mini box
[12:57] <m4r35n357> Anyone using rapidsvn on maverick? I don't get a menu bar so it's pretty useless here!
[13:07] <Flashtek> hmm....
[13:07] <Flashtek> knetworkmanager keeps dieing when I tell it to fire up my 3G link..
[13:08]  * Flashtek installs rapidsvn to test for m4r35n357 
[13:09] <m4r35n357> hi Flashtek, thx!
[13:09] <Flashtek> I has menus
[13:09] <m4r35n357> ok then I've got a problem ;)
[13:09] <Flashtek> config file probably..
[13:10] <m4r35n357> yeah I'll investigate . . . thanks for verifiying that it should work!
[13:10] <Flashtek> np
[13:16] <m4r35n357> oh crap, moved rapidsvn config file out of the way, and still no menu bar . . . same problem after purge & reinstall :(
[13:17] <m4r35n357> must be some obscure clash . . .
[13:18] <m4r35n357> oh well, have to use something else I suppose
[13:18]  * Flashtek is having his cavity filled by two men with big bits..
[13:18] <m4r35n357> most of the svn clients look like crap though
[13:29] <selinuxium> MooDoo, czajkowski Most definitely up for that... Were abouts?
[13:30] <czajkowski> selinuxium: clapham somewhere
[13:30] <selinuxium> s/Were/Where
[13:30] <czajkowski> good train access there
[13:30] <selinuxium> coolio!
[13:30] <czajkowski> march 19th
[13:30] <selinuxium> czajkowski, you based here now then?
[13:30] <czajkowski> selinuxium: yes... for the last month
[13:43] <MooDoo> czajkowski, selinuxium i'll be travelling down from notts
[13:44] <selinuxium> czajkowski, OK cool, you near Clapham then?
[13:45] <dutchie> daubers: which disk should i buy? need a tb for backups/media storage, 3.5" sata
[13:47] <czajkowski> selinuxium: aldershot
[13:48] <selinuxium> O_o
[13:49] <selinuxium> czajkowski, I have done gigs there!
[13:49] <selinuxium> I see why we are looking at Clapham then!
[13:50] <daubers> dutchie: Internal/External?
[13:50] <czajkowski> selinuxium: handy for people to come there
[13:50] <czajkowski> good train service
[13:50] <MooDoo> :)
[13:51] <dutchie> daubers: to go in an external enclosure
[14:00] <Flashtek> hmm..
[14:00] <Flashtek> anyone know where I can get an external display case to hold a 18.5" tft outside ?
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> Flashtek: outside? as in outdoors?
[14:01] <MartijnVdS> or outside as in "its outside dimensions"
[14:01] <daubers> dutchie: Ah ok :) At the moment I'd use either Seagate or Hitachi.
[14:01]  * MartijnVdS has several Samsungs
[14:02] <MartijnVdS> Every Seagate disk I've owned has died within a year
[14:02] <daubers> MartijnVdS: We don't tend to use samsung as they don't play nice with RAID controllers
[14:02] <dutchie> what source would you recommend?
[14:03] <daubers> dutchie: Ah, we get ours from distribution :) Wherever cheapest, if you can, get an ES or Enterprise grade drive. The samsung ES drives are quite nice
[14:03] <Flashtek> outdoors
[14:04] <daubers> s/samsung/seagate
[14:04] <daubers> dutchie: The bog standard basic consumer ones are rubbish
[14:04] <ali1234> is there really any difference?
[14:04] <MartijnVdS> yes there is
[14:05] <dutchie> there's a samsung spinpoint f3 on dabs for £42
[14:05] <ali1234> i always figured "enterprise grade" was just shorthand for 500% markup
[14:05] <daubers> ali1234: Definatley
[14:05] <daubers> ali1234: ES drives are rated for quite harsh use 24/7, whereas consumer ones are rated for a lot less
[14:05] <daubers> dutchie: What budget you got?
[14:05] <ali1234> but the rating means nothing
[14:06] <daubers> ali1234: In what way?
[14:06] <dutchie> daubers: student budget :) rather not go over £60/70
[14:07] <daubers> ali1234: I've tested 14 drive raid 6's with consumer grade drives and enterprise grade drives, enterprise grade tend to last longer and ahve better performance
[14:07] <ali1234> daubers: well imagine if i buy a job lot of cookware, say, and then stick a label on it that says "rated for up to 400 degrees"
[14:07] <ali1234> then resell it with a 500% markup
[14:07] <daubers> ali1234: Also, we get about 1 in 128 DOA in enterprise grade and 1 in 32 for consumer
[14:07] <ali1234> i am not being dishonest, yet i am still ripping people off :)
[14:08] <ali1234> the only drives i have ever seen break are maxtor
[14:09] <ali1234> and those ran in a moving vehicle for a year
[14:11] <ali1234> it's kind of the flipside of the insurance scam, where all the suppliers on the chain massively over-quote because they know insurance will pay
[14:12] <ali1234> so you end up with "so and so went to prison for causing £100000 worth of damage" and it turns out they broke 1 window or something
[14:12] <daubers> dutchie: Hmmm... at that price you'll get a consumer grade one only. Need to spend ~£90 for enterprise grade. In your case I'd go with http://www.dabs.com/products/western-digital-1tb-caviar-black-3-5--sata6gb-s-7200rpm-64mb-6LXV.html?refs=52450000-12-4294951586-42730000-376770000 or possibly http://www.dabs.com/products/seagate-1tb-barracuda-sata-300-32mb-7200rpm-6L8D.html?refs=52450000-12-4294951586-42730000-376770000 that
[14:12] <daubers> though the seagate AS drives are pretty pooey these days
[14:13] <dutchie> daubers: thanks
[14:13] <daubers> dutchie: The spinpoint one would be a safe-ish wildcard (I've not had any of those in to play with)
[14:14] <daubers> dutchie: Though since you're putting it in a usb caddy, as long as you don't throw the caddy around, the caddy electronics will probably go before the drive
[14:15] <dutchie> i'm not likely to throw it around, i can make no guarantees of my mother though :(
[14:15] <dutchie> i'm sure her "tidying up" has accounted for most of my disk failures
[14:16] <daubers> heh :) Bolt it to something and the spinpoint will probably do you. Though if you have some spare capacity somewhere else, always keep a second backup of anything exceptionally critical
[14:16] <dutchie> righty-ho
[14:18] <daubers> dutchie: (i.e. U1 or dropbox for uber critical stuffs second backup)
[14:18] <dutchie> do that already :)
[14:18] <daubers> heh :)
[14:27] <daubers> Bah, stupid textviews
[14:27] <daubers> all I want to do is get _all_ of the text.
[14:30] <daubers> Ah ha!
[14:30] <daubers> I win!
[15:02] <gord> ack, i let my heating turn off! :(
[15:06]  * popey defrosts gord 
[15:13] <selinuxium> What is the new URL for the joggler stuff?
[15:14] <mrxtian> Been using rapidsvn, then wanted to use svn now rapidsvn will not start (floatingpoint exception) so un-installed svn, Raid works again Where would I report this bug ?
[15:17] <popey> selinuxium: http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ubuntu/
[15:26]  * bigcalm waves
[15:28]  * popey tickles
[15:28] <bigcalm> Gah!
[15:28] <bigcalm> popey: have you been taking hints from my GF?
[15:29] <bigcalm> She is a mean tickler
[15:29] <popey> not sure I want to know that :)
[15:29] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:29] <bigcalm> Just if I stretch, she tries to tickle me. Quite off putting
[15:32] <czajkowski> seems more like a challenge to me
[15:32] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:33] <selinuxium> popey, Cheers fella...
[15:35] <popey> np
[15:35]  * popey notes this was in the show notes for the podcast :)
[15:35] <popey> (thats where I got it from)
[15:42] <cps> afternoon :)
[15:48] <kaushal> Hi
[15:49] <kaushal> I am unable to install IE on Ubuntu 10.10
[15:49] <kaushal> is it a better option to go for Virtualbox OSE ?
[15:49] <kaushal> and then try IE inside Guest OS
[15:50] <screen-x> kaushal: I'd use virtualbox for that.
[15:50] <kaushal> yes
[15:50] <kaushal> got it and understood
[15:50] <kaushal> screen-x: thats ideal
[15:51] <kaushal> OSE edition is good ?
[15:51] <kaushal> anyways virtual OSE is better option
[15:51] <kaushal> Thanks again
[15:53] <screen-x> OSE is missing some usb goodies iirc, but is fine for testing internet explorer.
[15:59] <daubers> Anyone know the python tarfile module inside out?
[15:59] <daubers> I'm compressing a given file, but it's keeping the full path, I just want it to compress the file.
[16:00] <ali1234> tar doesn't compress
[16:01] <daubers> no, but tarfile lets you use gz compression
[16:02] <ali1234> specify the arcname parameter
[16:02] <ali1234> "If given, arcname specifies an alternative name for the file in the archive."
[16:06] <daubers> bah, was hoping for an easier fix that that, never mind. Ta :)
[16:17] <bigcalm> So the new Nexus S is out, but the video demonstraiting it shows nothing that my Nexus One doesn't do. I think the video was to show off some new shoes they had bought
[16:23] <czajkowski> tonight is a free beer by enterprise DB whooo
[16:23] <MooDoo> czajkowski, yay o/
[16:29] <davmor2> MooDoo: why you excited that means hung over czajkowski tomorrow to deal with ;)
[16:29] <nperry> Android 2.3 has some new additions to it
[16:30] <MooDoo> davmor2, i'm off tues and wed so won't have to deal with anything ;)
[16:30] <davmor2> MooDoo: Coward ;)
[16:30] <MooDoo> davmor2, nah i'm not scared of czajkowski
[16:31] <MooDoo> davmor2, there is currently over 200 miles between us lol
[16:31] <davmor2> MooDoo: hahaha
[16:32] <MooDoo> davmor2, shhh i'm only little so i'll sneak in to that do she's planning in march, she'll not know i'm there
[16:33] <davmor2> MooDoo: Yeah she will czajkowski has gitdar, it's like radar but ping on people who annoy her ;)
[16:33] <MooDoo> davmor2, 6'6 is little right?
[16:34] <davmor2> MooDoo: Umm yeah!  that's tiny right?
[16:35] <czajkowski> oi ye two behave
[16:35] <bigcalm> I've agreed to provide off site backup for my parents. Can anybody suggest a good NAS? I would just use a USB HD, but they don't always reconnect correctly after a power outage
[16:35] <MooDoo> davmor2, did you hear a noise?
[16:36] <davmor2> MooDoo: yes but then the plasterer stop use his mixer so it was okay
[16:37] <MooDoo> davmor2, phew, thought it was czajkowski bleating ;)
[16:38] <davmor2> MooDoo: you know you're gonna get whaled at some point right :D
[16:42] <MooDoo> davmor2, shhhh but i'm a sucker for punishment and looking forward to it :D
[16:44] <davmor2> MooDoo: you know those kinda thoughts are meant to stay in your head and not be broadcast on logged channels right ;)
[16:44] <MooDoo> davmor2, er er er
[17:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Why It Matters - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/06/why-it-matters/
[17:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Phil Bull] GNOME Developer Demos; Terminology; HIG 3.0 in Mallard; Cheesy sounds? - http://philbull.livejournal.com/57007.html
[18:21] <MartijnVdS> hmm
[18:22] <MartijnVdS> do I want a Nexus S :)
[18:22] <davmor2> is it me or did everyone fall of the face of ubuntu-uk for the last hour or so?
[18:23] <Azelphur> davmor2: rush hour?
[18:23]  * AlanBell creeps up behind davmor2 and shouts BOO
[18:24] <davmor2> AlanBell: heard you sneaking new vinyl flooring in new office, you'll have to try harder :D
[19:37] <dutchie> /sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/libblas.so.3gf is not an ELF file - it has the wrong magic bytes at the start.
[19:37] <dutchie> that doesn't look good :(
[19:37] <shauno> what's .3gf?
[19:39] <shauno> curious, as I have no files named such
[19:40] <dutchie> it seems to be at the end of a chain of broken links
[19:41] <shauno> have you taken a peek to see what is in it?
[19:41] <DJones> dutchie: Don't know if this helps? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=581412
[19:42] <dutchie> well, one of the other symptoms of this weirdness is that every browser i have tried segfaults
[19:42]  * dutchie tries w3m
[19:43] <DJones> Seems to relate to a python-numpy package
[19:44] <dutchie> ...but that error came up while trying to install epiphany
[20:05] <daubers> Evening
[20:08] <Danawar2> Heyaa i have a program in c++ within a file called program how do i run it?
[20:10] <daubers> Danawar2: Sorry?
[20:12] <Danawar2> Sorry, I copied some hello world code into gedit and saved it called 'program' how do I run this so I get the output? I normally use VB and just click play.
[20:13] <daubers> Danawar2: You'll need to compile it
[20:13] <Danawar2> How can i go about doing that?
[20:14] <Danawar2> I tried gcc program
[20:14] <daubers> Danawar2: You'll need to use g++
[20:14] <Danawar2> File format not recognized
[20:15] <daubers> Danawar2: Can you pastebin the exact command you used?
[20:16] <Danawar2> Sorry internet is playing up at the moment wont be long
[20:17] <Danawar2> http://pastebin.com/NAv93qcd
[20:18] <daubers> Danawar2: Ok, thats more standard c than c++, if you rename the file to have a .c extension it will compile with gcc
[20:18] <daubers> It will produce an executable called a.out
[20:19] <daubers> To run that you'll need to just type ./a.out
[20:19] <stuphi> mv program program.c
[20:20] <daubers> Danawar2: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/540412/ is a bit more C++ like
[20:20] <daubers> c++ source files should have the extension .cpp
[20:21] <Danawar2> Whats better to learn c or c++
[20:21] <Danawar2> because we learn c# at uni
[20:21] <daubers> Danawar2: Nothing wrong with c#, just need to use Mono to use it on Linux
[20:21] <daubers> Danawar2: Also, there is no real !better . It depends on what you want to achieve
[20:22] <daubers> !better
[20:22] <daubers> Hmm.... not sure on the wording of that last bit. Someone must have got annoyed :)
[20:23] <Danawar2> hehe well i'm doing security so i want to learn a bit of everything but i enjoy creating things so i was thinking of creating small 3D games to help learn programing,
[20:23] <Danawar2> Why does it call the file a.out?
[20:24] <daubers> Danawar2: Convention. You can tell it what to call it using the "-o" flag
[20:24] <daubers> Danawar2: Type "man gcc" or "man g++" to get the manual
[20:25] <zleap> where is the gthumb slideshow option in xubuntu 10.10
[20:25] <stuphi> Danawar2: a.out stands for Assembler Output
[20:25] <zleap> can't fimd it, its there in ubuntu 10.04
[20:25] <Danawar2> ok cheers and the man page is llongg :D
[20:28] <ali1234> Danawar2: get this book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_C_Programming_Language_%28book%29
[20:28] <ali1234> man pages are useless for learning C
[20:30] <daubers> ali1234: I thought everyone had to own a copy of that book by law
[20:31] <ali1234> anyone who claims to be a programmer...
[20:31] <daubers> heh, mines covered in sticky notes and pencilled in notes
[20:44] <Danawar2> So far i see very little difference between c# and c :P
[20:57] <gord> finally got around to putting the natty unity on my netbook, works really well :)
[20:58] <nperry> I like unity
[20:58] <ali1234> seriously?
[20:58] <nperry> Even on the desktop
[20:58] <ali1234> you must have extremely low expectations
[20:58] <gord> natty unity on the desktop is very nice right now
[20:59] <ali1234> i tried it yesterday, it is extremely buggy
[20:59] <ali1234> unless they rewrote half the code since then or something
[20:59] <nperry> you just don't know how to make it work ;)
[20:59] <gord> we re-wrote all the visuals ali1234
[20:59] <gord> its now in C++ instead of vala and using compiz instead of mutter
[21:00] <ali1234> since alpha 1?
[21:00] <ali1234> did you fix the broken dock bar thing?
[21:00] <gord> alpha one was like last thurday o_O
[21:00] <gord> geez, of course its buggy
[21:00] <gord> its alpha
[21:00] <nperry> its aplha, its going to be buggy
[21:00] <ali1234> so it's buggy *and* it works really well? aren't those mutually exclusive?
[21:00] <nperry> But at the moment all seems to be pretty stable
[21:00] <gord> alpha basically means " you are lucky if we don't destroy your entire computer"
[21:01] <nperry> with no show stopping bugs
[21:01] <gord> it works well for me ali1234, but thats how the world works, it doesn't seem to work well for you, that would be a bug
[21:03] <gord> can't figure out how to delete/move things to my sd card even though i have obviously done this before
[21:03] <gord> wrong channel sorry :x
[21:03] <ali1234> how do i report bugs on unity btw?
[21:03] <nperry> ubuntu-bug unity
[21:03] <gord> talking about my wii if anyone knows how to do that
[21:04] <nperry> gord: I've done it but can't remember how now
[21:10] <popey> ahem... http://twitter.com/#!/uupc/status/11889455057080320
[21:15] <ali1234> "ubuntu-bug unity" doesn't work on alpha 1 live image...
[21:16] <ali1234> oh wait, it didn't store my wireless key
[21:16] <czajkowski> peeka boo
[21:16] <AlanBell> evening all
[21:16] <czajkowski> AlanBell: howdy
[21:17]  * AlanBell listens to other Laura
[21:17] <czajkowski> oh where
[21:17] <AlanBell> http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org:8000/
[21:17] <AlanBell> and over to popey now
[21:18] <czajkowski> m3u ?
[21:18] <czajkowski> xspf?
[21:18] <AlanBell> m3u
[21:19] <MartijnVdS> mplayer $url works
[22:05] <Azelphur> gmail seems to be dropping the ball on spam recently :(
[22:05] <Azelphur> I've had 3 get through this week
[22:19] <danfish> !bug 649345
[22:50] <Azelphur> Anyone know how to use ubuntu-bug to wait for xorg to crash and grab the backtrace
[22:51] <Azelphur> gonna highlight popey since he probably knows :)
[23:03] <ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Get Started Hacking On Unity Bitesize Bugs - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/06/get-started-hacking-on-unity-bitesize-bugs/