=== webpigeon is now known as Guest11177 === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [00:35] aloha [00:36] ooh, it boots on the older kernel === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller === MonsterKiller is now known as monsterkiller [08:00] morning all [08:01] Morning [08:02] Good Morning [08:02] And for the sixth day in a row, no school! [08:04] the one school in our village that's stayed open, the head has now got to write a letter to parents to explain why he's stayed open due to 3 parents complaining lol [08:04] Ouch [08:10] aloha [08:17] czajkowski, morning [08:22] MooDoo: ello hows things [08:26] * daubers ponders tea [08:31] tea never needs to be pondered only consumed [08:35] czajkowski: How's tricks? [08:35] good thanks at a conference [08:35] shiny [08:35] czajkowski, yeah i'm fine.....:) hows the conference going? [08:36] aye rather busy too [08:36] more than 50 talks over the next few days [08:36] and over 200 people [08:36] wow lots of talk there [08:36] * daubers ponders getting some IAMs [08:39] daubers, IAMs as in the pet food stuff? [08:40] MooDoo: Individual Applience Moniter whatsits [08:40] daubers, i knew that ;) well done you passed my test :D [08:41] MooDoo: :p [08:42] I just want to see when the electric heaters pop on and off individually. Quite hard to do that from a single data display [08:42] daubers: they kinda work [08:42] kinda? [08:43] but depends on the area you need to use them and how often [08:45] n [08:45] nm got them confused with tens [08:47] czajkowski: Ahhhh :) Was very confused then..... [08:48] Anyone know when the new menu thing is landing in Natty? [08:48] daubers, new menu thing? [08:48] you mean unity? [08:49] MooDoo: The ubuntu menu for unity, the bit that shows all the appications properly rather than opening a nautilus window :) [08:50] daubers: reddit.com/r/iama ? :) [08:54] * TheOpenSourcerer 's car is now in a ditch :-( [08:54] yikes [08:54] TheOpenSourcerer: eep everyone ok? [08:54] TheOpenSourcerer: ...... explain? [08:54] Yes - it was a slow motion skid [08:55] Bloody Ocado van stopped halfway down a hill with no traffic or houses on it. road was like oiled glass. [08:55] I did well to miss it frankly. [08:55] Then he drove off! [08:55] :s [08:56] Stroppy mail to Ocado will be winging it's way shortly. [08:56] TheOpenSourcerer: Get the reg? [08:56] Nope, but know the time/location. [08:59] need hauling out? [09:00] or is it broken as well as in a ditch? [09:01] TheOpenSourcerer: glad everyone is ok, much damage ? [09:01] ,adhd [09:01] oops, wrong channel :) [09:10] Mornin all [09:15] wintellect, morn [09:17] hello MooDoo [09:17] o/ [09:17] "moo doo" = cow feces? [09:18] MartijnVdS: Play nice [09:18] * MartijnVdS will :) [09:18] MartijnVdS, thanks for that :D [09:18] MooDoo: well, "moo juice" is milk.. so I thought.. [09:18] * MartijnVdS will stop thinking, sorry :) [09:18] MartijnVdS, silly boy : D lol [09:18] lol [09:19] there is logic there.. [09:19] if you really must know, VooDoo was already registered and someone, i can't remember who, went moooooooooooooooooooooo so there you go the change [09:19] after all, what is doggie doo ? [09:20] MooDoo: Ah, cow zombies [09:20] yes yes, it wasn't funny the first time, time give it a rest :p [09:20] Thalmatergic Bovines [09:21] morning :) [09:21] screen-x, morning [09:21] Morning screen-x [09:22] \o [09:23] so how are we all, this fine December Monday? [09:23] screen-x, it's cold on them there hills [09:33] fantastic keynote by simon phipps [09:33] which event czajkowski? [09:37] postgres [09:37] there's a postgres event? [09:37] follow #pgdayeu on twitter to see what folks are saying [09:37] thanks [09:37] 2010.pgday.eu [09:48] jack frost has been to visit Plymouth ppl.. [09:49] czajkowski: give the enterprisedb people a poke in the eye for me [09:50] czajkowski: they cluelessly send out spam with "Dear " in, or a name, but not my name in. [09:50] popey, if we had to poke all the companies in the world that are lazy and don't check their emails, we would, and me especially, have sore fingers :D [09:52] sure, but she's standing near them [09:53] czajkowski, double poke time then [09:55] heya popey [09:56] lo [09:57] how is ? [09:58] Flashtek, the weather? [09:58] ;) [09:58] yeah [09:58] how is the weather [09:59] like I can't find that out.. [09:59] http://popey.com/webcam/ snow melting [09:59] Flashtek, well how is? doesn't really make sense does it :p [09:59] how is popey ? [10:00] morning all [10:00] kazade, good morning [10:01] wheeee.... http://portal.wattsure.com/all/gendash/136 [10:02] can anyone shed light on the error: EXPIRED: Instance expired after not being reported for 600000 - im trying to setup a cloud and every instances terminates with this error [10:03] amazon cloud? === webpigeon is now known as Guest33492 [10:05] ubuntu === Guest33492 is now known as webpigeon_web [10:06] Morning o/ [10:06] morning [10:08] i have installed it on two machines using the 10.04 cd, one node is the cloud controller etc, and the other is a node controller, all running public IP's [10:18] kevinw: #ubuntu-cloud might be more helpful [10:18] ive tried in there but not had any responces [10:18] i thought id give here a try on the off chance [10:18] kevinw: be patient it' [10:18] it' [10:18] it's irc [10:19] and rather early [10:19] * jpds considers 6am to be early. [10:19] fair comment [10:19] jpds, that's my normal get up time..... [10:19] MooDoo: Likewise. [10:20] jpds, mines not by choice with a 2 year old :D [10:20] popey: enterprise db person is an organiser shall poke them after the party tonight [10:21] popey: ever seen a cat jump while looking down ? [10:21] Flashtek, what a bizarre question for monday, or maybe i've not had enough coffee yet :D [10:23] Flashtek: que? [10:23] does [10:23] morning all [10:23] does the cat command count? [10:23] hey danfish? [10:24] damn phone irc client. [10:24] * MooDoo wants to go watch a cat jump while looking down to see what happens [10:30] danfish, morning [10:31] moodoo I have 8 of them and i can't remember any of the doing it [10:34] lol [10:35] although can't say i was paying that much attention: p [10:42] dear weather app work and stop confusing me [10:42] czajkowski: iphone weather app? [10:42] czajkowski: just look out of the window :) [10:43] popey: nope laptop, lucid. it's ticked to show weather but not actually doing so [10:44] czajkowski: Have you set a 'home' city? [10:45] yup [10:46] hi folks [10:47] http://twitpic.com/3dfn0k [10:49] czajkowski: So if you click on it, and go to "Locations:", there's a city with a little house? [10:50] hi [10:51] is there a way to install IE on Ubuntu 10.10 ? [10:51] I need IE due to browser restrictions [10:51] yup [10:51] I have HP servers where in the IPMI supports only IE [10:52] jpds: yup [10:52] czajkowski: Hmm. [10:52] kaushal: http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/page/Main_Page [10:52] jpds: shall reboot a few times] [10:52] usually knocks some sense into it [10:52] :s [10:52] o_O [10:52] wont be running lucid for much longer on this one [10:53] popey: see phips reply to you [10:54] czajkowski: Three times. [10:54] twice seems to do it, same way lately when i'm connected to wifi it actually displays me not connected when i am [10:54] :s [10:55] czajkowski: i have [10:57] Love it - Andrew Marr apparently repeated Jim Naughtie's faux pas in Start The Week just an hour or so later... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-11925556 [10:57] he did [10:57] * popey has the mp3 :) [10:57] lol [10:58] It's hear: http://tindeck.com/listen/qlev [10:59] oh dear [11:01] popey: Thanks [11:01] czajkowski: Thanks [11:06] kaushal: oh i wasnt saying yes to you, sorry [11:06] jpds: yup 2 reboots fixes it [11:18] Morning all! o/ [11:19] selinuxium: seeing you here more often these days [11:19] czajkowski, Trying to get my attendance back up. :) [11:19] * TheOpenSourcerer is glad selinuxium wasn't around when I made the Essex joke ;-) [11:19] Sadly, can't make the Xmas party... :( [11:20] TheOpenSourcerer, I probably have much worse ones under my belt.. :) [11:20] lol [11:20] selinuxium: tis ok, neither can i [11:20] we shall have new year event drinks! [11:20] Hell Yeah! [11:21] danfish: is gonna organise a rugby /pub session [11:21] so we go to a pub watch rugby and catch up [11:21] czajkowski, that sounds awesome [11:21] MooDoo: doesn't it :D [11:22] London Irish have a ton of games on in the new year [11:22] we just need to find a weekend, pick a pub and meet [11:22] czajkowski, well seeing as i'm a harlequins fan i'll have to make a visit to the stoop :D [11:22] czajkowski: oh yeah - I remember now. I'll look into that this week - d'ya think before or after Chrimbo? [11:22] after so i can join :D [11:23] when are England playing Ireland? [11:23] not sure i want to be around folks during that game, my language will not be CoC friendly [11:23] you think i want to be in the vacinity of czajkowski when england play ireland? if england loose i owe her a pint [11:23] march 19th [11:24] (no access to web browser at the mo) [11:24] it's being played in ireland so going to a pub in uk could be fun [11:24] czajkowski, i think we need to organize an ubuntu-uk/rugby fans meet up then :) [11:24] it would be awesome :) [11:25] MooDoo: that's what we're doing [11:25] ok so march 19th [11:25] czajkowski, and i could never believe anything but roses could come out of your mouth ;) [11:25] load of notice to find a pub suitable and enough notice [11:25] may I suggest somewhere near Clapham for ease of train access? [11:25] MooDoo: ahh bless tis clear we've never met [11:25] danfish: sounds good [11:26] whooo funky event :D [11:26] czajkowski, clearly, and i'm not sure i'm brave enough to come down, even though i probably tower above you ;) [11:26] MooDoo: bah shurup and come join the fun [11:26] czajkowski, i'm there :D [11:26] hmm so anyone know any decent pubs in clapham ? [11:29] morning all [11:30] davmor2: ello my dear [11:30] czajkowski: your being all pleasant did you miss me ;) [11:31] davmor2: hardly, but we're organising a meet up regarding beer/rugby and ubuntu so in good form [11:31] czajkowski: nice [11:33] davmor2, it's going to be nice to see czajkowski when england beat her beloved ireland :p [11:35] davmor2, either that or buy her a pint when england get stuffed :D [11:35] czajkowski, I think MooDoo is in for a RUDE awakening... :) [11:35] selinuxium, i'm a big boy i can take care of my self, besides i'll just bring a box and gum shield [11:35] czajkowski: there's loads to chose from - depends on how rowdy you like em :) [11:36] danfish, nice and chilled i reckon [11:36] MooDoo: in the last 7 games ye've won once that's going back to march 04 [11:36] czajkowski, stats schmats....:p [11:37] MooDoo: you need to buy her extra sticky toffee if Ireland win so it gum czajkowski gob shut, you'll never hear the end of it else [11:37] lol [11:38] danfish: makes no difference to me, once it has beer and we can get in and even book off an area in advance would be even better [11:38] czajkowski: I'll bet you £10 on England to win (if you pay up front I'll make it £5 :P) [11:38] lol [11:38] look as long as we have a good day with beers and banter it'll be fun [11:38] agreed [11:39] I'll check a few venues this week and report back [11:40] sweet [11:40] selinuxium: you in ? [11:40] davmor2, lol i'll remember that [12:08] and it's all gone quiet. [12:13] MooDoo: everyone's having lunch :) [12:13] i'm not [12:13] or is thinking about lunch [12:13] Flashtek: you just don't know it yet [12:14] MooDoo: everyone is scared that czajkowski might be nice to them too [12:14] oh, I'm thinking about it.. [12:14] just don't think about a pink elephant [12:15] Flashtek: just had some, on toast [12:18] elephant ? [12:19] pink elephant [12:19] how do you have it ? [12:19] rare ? [12:19] as a pate [12:19] ah, pink elephant pate.. nice.. [12:19] but yes, it's very rare :) [12:20] lol [12:20] czajkowski, Sorry, in on what? :) [12:20] czajkowski, Allways up for beer and rugby! :) [12:29] selinuxium, czajkowski is planning a beer sesh england/ireland rugby [12:29] selinuxium, march 19th [12:41] :) [12:44] *sigh* [12:44] I wish they'd drop this "superfast means fibre" attitude [12:47] http://www.serversplus.com/mailshots/microservercashback.html [12:47] Hello. [12:47] mini server under 100 quid [12:48] After 100 back, yeah. [12:48] popey: 1U? [12:50] Nafallo, look at the link, looks like a mini box [12:57] Anyone using rapidsvn on maverick? I don't get a menu bar so it's pretty useless here! [13:07] hmm.... [13:07] knetworkmanager keeps dieing when I tell it to fire up my 3G link.. [13:08] * Flashtek installs rapidsvn to test for m4r35n357 [13:09] hi Flashtek, thx! [13:09] I has menus [13:09] ok then I've got a problem ;) [13:09] config file probably.. [13:10] yeah I'll investigate . . . thanks for verifiying that it should work! [13:10] np [13:16] oh crap, moved rapidsvn config file out of the way, and still no menu bar . . . same problem after purge & reinstall :( [13:17] must be some obscure clash . . . [13:18] oh well, have to use something else I suppose [13:18] * Flashtek is having his cavity filled by two men with big bits.. [13:18] most of the svn clients look like crap though === dogmatic69_ is now known as dogmatic69 [13:29] MooDoo, czajkowski Most definitely up for that... Were abouts? [13:30] selinuxium: clapham somewhere [13:30] s/Were/Where [13:30] good train access there [13:30] coolio! [13:30] march 19th [13:30] czajkowski, you based here now then? [13:30] selinuxium: yes... for the last month [13:43] czajkowski, selinuxium i'll be travelling down from notts [13:44] czajkowski, OK cool, you near Clapham then? [13:45] daubers: which disk should i buy? need a tb for backups/media storage, 3.5" sata [13:47] selinuxium: aldershot [13:48] O_o [13:49] czajkowski, I have done gigs there! [13:49] I see why we are looking at Clapham then! [13:50] dutchie: Internal/External? [13:50] selinuxium: handy for people to come there [13:50] good train service [13:50] :) [13:51] daubers: to go in an external enclosure [14:00] hmm.. [14:00] anyone know where I can get an external display case to hold a 18.5" tft outside ? [14:01] Flashtek: outside? as in outdoors? [14:01] or outside as in "its outside dimensions" [14:01] dutchie: Ah ok :) At the moment I'd use either Seagate or Hitachi. [14:01] * MartijnVdS has several Samsungs [14:02] Every Seagate disk I've owned has died within a year [14:02] MartijnVdS: We don't tend to use samsung as they don't play nice with RAID controllers [14:02] what source would you recommend? [14:03] dutchie: Ah, we get ours from distribution :) Wherever cheapest, if you can, get an ES or Enterprise grade drive. The samsung ES drives are quite nice [14:03] outdoors [14:04] s/samsung/seagate [14:04] dutchie: The bog standard basic consumer ones are rubbish [14:04] is there really any difference? [14:04] yes there is [14:05] there's a samsung spinpoint f3 on dabs for £42 [14:05] i always figured "enterprise grade" was just shorthand for 500% markup [14:05] ali1234: Definatley [14:05] ali1234: ES drives are rated for quite harsh use 24/7, whereas consumer ones are rated for a lot less [14:05] dutchie: What budget you got? [14:05] but the rating means nothing [14:06] ali1234: In what way? [14:06] daubers: student budget :) rather not go over £60/70 [14:07] ali1234: I've tested 14 drive raid 6's with consumer grade drives and enterprise grade drives, enterprise grade tend to last longer and ahve better performance [14:07] daubers: well imagine if i buy a job lot of cookware, say, and then stick a label on it that says "rated for up to 400 degrees" [14:07] then resell it with a 500% markup [14:07] ali1234: Also, we get about 1 in 128 DOA in enterprise grade and 1 in 32 for consumer [14:07] i am not being dishonest, yet i am still ripping people off :) [14:08] the only drives i have ever seen break are maxtor [14:09] and those ran in a moving vehicle for a year [14:11] it's kind of the flipside of the insurance scam, where all the suppliers on the chain massively over-quote because they know insurance will pay [14:12] so you end up with "so and so went to prison for causing £100000 worth of damage" and it turns out they broke 1 window or something [14:12] dutchie: Hmmm... at that price you'll get a consumer grade one only. Need to spend ~£90 for enterprise grade. In your case I'd go with http://www.dabs.com/products/western-digital-1tb-caviar-black-3-5--sata6gb-s-7200rpm-64mb-6LXV.html?refs=52450000-12-4294951586-42730000-376770000 or possibly http://www.dabs.com/products/seagate-1tb-barracuda-sata-300-32mb-7200rpm-6L8D.html?refs=52450000-12-4294951586-42730000-376770000 that [14:12] though the seagate AS drives are pretty pooey these days [14:13] daubers: thanks [14:13] dutchie: The spinpoint one would be a safe-ish wildcard (I've not had any of those in to play with) [14:14] dutchie: Though since you're putting it in a usb caddy, as long as you don't throw the caddy around, the caddy electronics will probably go before the drive [14:15] i'm not likely to throw it around, i can make no guarantees of my mother though :( [14:15] i'm sure her "tidying up" has accounted for most of my disk failures [14:16] heh :) Bolt it to something and the spinpoint will probably do you. Though if you have some spare capacity somewhere else, always keep a second backup of anything exceptionally critical [14:16] righty-ho [14:18] dutchie: (i.e. U1 or dropbox for uber critical stuffs second backup) [14:18] do that already :) [14:18] heh :) [14:27] Bah, stupid textviews [14:27] all I want to do is get _all_ of the text. [14:30] Ah ha! [14:30] I win! [15:02] ack, i let my heating turn off! :( [15:06] * popey defrosts gord [15:13] What is the new URL for the joggler stuff? [15:14] Been using rapidsvn, then wanted to use svn now rapidsvn will not start (floatingpoint exception) so un-installed svn, Raid works again Where would I report this bug ? [15:17] selinuxium: http://joggler.exotica.org.uk/ubuntu/ [15:26] * bigcalm waves [15:28] * popey tickles [15:28] Gah! [15:28] popey: have you been taking hints from my GF? [15:29] She is a mean tickler [15:29] not sure I want to know that :) [15:29] Heh [15:29] Just if I stretch, she tries to tickle me. Quite off putting [15:32] seems more like a challenge to me [15:32] Heh [15:33] popey, Cheers fella... [15:35] np [15:35] * popey notes this was in the show notes for the podcast :) [15:35] (thats where I got it from) [15:42] afternoon :) [15:48] Hi [15:49] I am unable to install IE on Ubuntu 10.10 [15:49] is it a better option to go for Virtualbox OSE ? [15:49] and then try IE inside Guest OS [15:50] kaushal: I'd use virtualbox for that. [15:50] yes [15:50] got it and understood [15:50] screen-x: thats ideal [15:51] OSE edition is good ? [15:51] anyways virtual OSE is better option [15:51] Thanks again [15:53] OSE is missing some usb goodies iirc, but is fine for testing internet explorer. [15:59] Anyone know the python tarfile module inside out? [15:59] I'm compressing a given file, but it's keeping the full path, I just want it to compress the file. [16:00] tar doesn't compress [16:01] no, but tarfile lets you use gz compression [16:02] specify the arcname parameter [16:02] "If given, arcname specifies an alternative name for the file in the archive." [16:06] bah, was hoping for an easier fix that that, never mind. Ta :) [16:17] So the new Nexus S is out, but the video demonstraiting it shows nothing that my Nexus One doesn't do. I think the video was to show off some new shoes they had bought === monsterkiller is now known as MonsterKiller [16:23] tonight is a free beer by enterprise DB whooo [16:23] czajkowski, yay o/ [16:29] MooDoo: why you excited that means hung over czajkowski tomorrow to deal with ;) [16:29] Android 2.3 has some new additions to it [16:30] davmor2, i'm off tues and wed so won't have to deal with anything ;) [16:30] MooDoo: Coward ;) [16:30] davmor2, nah i'm not scared of czajkowski [16:31] davmor2, there is currently over 200 miles between us lol === dogmatic69_ is now known as dogmatic69 [16:31] MooDoo: hahaha [16:32] davmor2, shhh i'm only little so i'll sneak in to that do she's planning in march, she'll not know i'm there [16:33] MooDoo: Yeah she will czajkowski has gitdar, it's like radar but ping on people who annoy her ;) [16:33] davmor2, 6'6 is little right? [16:34] MooDoo: Umm yeah! that's tiny right? [16:35] oi ye two behave [16:35] I've agreed to provide off site backup for my parents. Can anybody suggest a good NAS? I would just use a USB HD, but they don't always reconnect correctly after a power outage [16:35] davmor2, did you hear a noise? [16:36] MooDoo: yes but then the plasterer stop use his mixer so it was okay [16:37] davmor2, phew, thought it was czajkowski bleating ;) [16:38] MooDoo: you know you're gonna get whaled at some point right :D [16:42] davmor2, shhhh but i'm a sucker for punishment and looking forward to it :D [16:44] MooDoo: you know those kinda thoughts are meant to stay in your head and not be broadcast on logged channels right ;) [16:44] davmor2, er er er [17:03] [Jono Bacon] Why It Matters - http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/12/06/why-it-matters/ [17:03] [Phil Bull] GNOME Developer Demos; Terminology; HIG 3.0 in Mallard; Cheesy sounds? - http://philbull.livejournal.com/57007.html === Richie__ is now known as Richie [18:21]