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pleia2jtatum: will you be around for the meeting?02:37
jtatumpleia2, aye02:37
pleia2cool02:37
jdeslipGood evening everyone :)02:38
pleia2evening, jdeslip02:38
jdeslipI had a nice relaxing weekend - putting up lights :)02:39
pleia2we just lit the 5th night of candles \o/02:40
jdeslipNice02:40
pleia2I had some errands to run this weekend, but it was mostly pretty mellow02:40
jdeslipI am not religious at all, but I really like the season02:40
pleia2me neither, but my boyfriend is jewish02:41
pleia2he vetoed the secular tree, so i decorated my desk ;)02:41
jdesliplol02:41
jdeslipEveryone can celebrate festivus at least02:42
pleia2hehe, yeah02:42
* pleia2 starts shopping for poles02:43
jdeslipOne of my friends has a festivus party every year.  Includes feats of strength and airing of greivances.02:43
pleia2nice02:43
pleia2I think we'll come up to berkeley lug on sunday02:44
jdeslipAwesome!  BTW, with *any* luck, I'll be at the Ubuntu hour this week.  Class is out, so I don't have to teach my Wednesday session!02:45
pleia2shame I decided to do the debian thing every *other* month02:45
pleia2should probably see if any ubuntu hour people want to do dinner anyway though02:45
jdeslipYa, perhaps we could have an Ubuntu holiday party of sorts.02:46
jdeslipI.e. dinner and/or drinks after02:47
pleia2yeah, that's a good idea02:47
pleia2thirsty bear is right there02:47
pleia2drinks and tapas :)02:47
pleia2ooh, I'll bring the zareason laptop I'm reviewing too02:48
jdeslipSounds good to me02:48
crashsystemsI'll likely be at the Jan Jose ubuntu hour on Thursday :D02:51
jtatumgreat! see you there02:53
crashsystemsSan Jose*02:53
grantbowI think I caught lyz's cold02:54
crashsystemsBtw, does anyone going on thursday happen to have a ThinkPad x201 or similar model of thinkpad?02:55
pleia2I haven't even seen you!02:55
grantbowlol, I know02:55
pleia2evening, grantbow :)02:55
grantbowevening :)02:55
pleia2I think someone here recently got a thinkpad02:55
akkI have an x201, but not sure if I'll be there on Thursday.02:55
jdeslipLong time no see on here grantbow02:56
crashsystemsakk: if by chance you do go, would you mind bring it with you?02:56
jdeslipgrantbow - you going to be better by Wednesday for the Ubuntu hour + dinner?02:56
akkWill do, crashsystems02:56
crashsystemsthanks02:56
akkOh, wait, this Thursday? No, sorry, I definitely won't be there.02:57
crashsystemsok02:57
akkIndoor flying in sunnyvale.02:57
crashsystemsas a side note, Firefox 4 + Firefox on Android == Win02:57
akkI'll be at the Mountain View one the following Thursday, though.02:57
crashsystemsindoor flying?02:57
akkMost likely.02:57
grantbowjdeslip, I am usually at noisebridge.net on Wednesdays after partimus.org at Mission Beacon02:57
akkcrashsystems: Little model airplanes.02:57
crashsystemsis that kinda like falling but forgetting you are falling?02:57
crashsystemsoh, ok02:57
MarkDudeSorry phildini - I was just curious why my Twitter list you put me on is *not-woot*- How can I get on a woot list?03:00
MarkDude:)03:00
pleia2ok, meeting time!03:00
pleia2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December0503:00
pleia2we didn't put announcements on the agenda, but maybe that should be a standing first or last agenda item03:01
jdeslipFirst is as good a time as any03:01
pleia2ok, announcements!03:01
grantbowAlpha 1 is out03:02
grantbow11.04 Alpha 103:02
pleia2alpha 1 info: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-December/000793.html03:02
* MarkDude is looking for a caterer in the Bay for CLSwest on Jan 15th- suggestions can be mailed to me mark@zareason.com 03:03
pleia2we have several upcoming ubuntu hours around the state, all listed at loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california03:04
MarkDudeI am the dinner coordinator for the event- We already have 2 people reserved for doing a Tea Ceremony03:04
pleia2cool03:04
epsWhat is CLSwest?03:04
pleia2http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/wiki/index.php/CLS_West03:05
akkAlso, time is running out for talk proposals for SCALE -- I think there's a week left, if anybody's thinking about speaking there.03:05
pleia2in daly city03:05
jledbetterHope to attend SCALE for sure03:06
DarkwingDuckSorry I'm late03:07
MarkDudeYay scale effin rocks03:07
pleia2scale cfp is on socallinuxexpo.org03:07
pleia2ok, any more announcements?03:08
MarkDudePartimus Fundraiser Dec 15th also03:08
pleia2MarkDude: yep, that's the first agenda item :)03:08
pleia2we'll get to that once we finish announcements03:08
pleia2which it seems like we've done03:09
pleia2ok03:09
dragonoidPlease ping me if there's voting at any time.03:09
pleia2Partimus Fundraiser Dec 15th. Helping put FOSS in Schools. Update on activities and upcoming plans.03:09
pleia2MarkDude: I think this is your agenda item, the floor is yours :)03:10
MarkDude15th we will have a party at one of the schools that Christian helps03:10
MarkDudeThey help provide computer labs to kids in SF and oakland03:11
pleia2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Partimus is the team page about the project03:11
MarkDudegrantbow, can say something about all the good stuff the labs do03:11
MarkDudeIf he would. He has been helping with it for a while03:12
grantbowI look forward to seeing people there03:12
pleia2this discusses the event itself and has registration info: http://partimus.org/fundraising_event_2010.php03:12
MarkDudeIf you cant pay to get in- you are still invited03:13
pleia2yeah, there is a free ticket option03:14
grantbowright03:14
pleia2anything else?03:14
MarkDudeAnd if you are elsewhere nd cant make it- you can donate03:14
MarkDudetoo03:14
MarkDudeYes, if you have any hardware that can be donated that works bring it03:15
MarkDudelet me know ahead of time03:15
grantbowI think that's all, I'd be happy to answer question afterward03:15
pleia2ah yes, the hardware reqs are here: http://partimus.org/donate.php03:15
pleia2(scroll down a bit)03:15
MarkDudeIf you just have parts- they can also be donated to GK03:15
MarkDudeAgain- contact me- or Dangerous G03:16
MarkDudeThats it :)03:16
pleia2ok cool03:16
pleia2Next agenda item: Website progress update and DEMO!03:16
pleia2ok, this is the fun part :)03:16
pleia2jtatum and I worked these past couple weeks to get a demo main site up on the linode03:17
DarkwingDuck+103:17
pleia2we haven't updated DNS yet, we wanted to come to a meeting and see what people thought, so to view it you can edit: /etc/hosts03:17
pleia2and add this line:03:17
pleia2207.192.72.66 ubuntu-california.org03:17
* MarkDude wants it ALL in Flash, with an intro that takes a few minutes to upload, can I add that to the potential list ? :D03:18
jdeslipnano /etc/hosts03:18
pleia2you'll have to use sudo03:18
jtatumsudo nano :)03:18
jdeslip... wrong window03:18
jdeslip(and yes missing the sudo)03:18
crashsystems"The home page would go here. Yes, indeedy."03:18
pleia2crashsystems: woo!03:18
AndIrc_I can't edit etc hosts on my phone :(03:19
pleia2yeah, so once you have that done, navigate to ubuntu-california.org in your web browser03:19
jledbetternice home page text :D03:19
pleia2I also took a screenshot: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/ubuntu-california-website-120510.png03:19
pleia2AndIrc_: it's large, sorry :(03:19
pleia2we installed wordpress and then used the community developed wordpress theme03:20
jtatumi wrote the home page text. pleia2 did the heavy lifting03:20
jdeslipVery pretty03:20
pleia2hey, you got the theme installed :)03:20
jledbetterjtatum, I shoulda guessed ;)03:20
DarkwingDuckpretty03:20
jdeslip(one nitpic - add more space after team before the orange ends)03:20
crashsystemsorange > brown03:21
pleia2maybe just drop "Team"?03:21
grantbowTeam is important03:21
pleia2ok03:21
epsOr a non-breaking space between California and Team03:21
grantbowas in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams03:21
akkWrapping "Team" does look strange, though.03:21
* MarkDude hopes the lack of penguins is just an oversight03:21
AndIrc_No need to repeat "ubuntu" twice before"california team" (logo)03:22
epsMaybe just delete the second Ubuntu03:22
pleia2"California Team"03:22
akkGood point, the second Ubuntu doesn't need to be there03:22
jledbettercan just move it to the left and span with white space of none03:22
MarkDude+1 getting rid of 2nd ubuntu03:22
akkassuming that the ubuntu logo above it has alt text of "Ubuntu" for accessibility03:22
pleia2jtatum: I am not sure where that text is in the theme, wanna update it?03:22
jledbetterBut css design by committee is crazy :)03:22
jtatumupdated03:23
AndIrc_Ah, I am erichammond in disguise.03:23
grantbowlol03:23
pleia2oh, hi erichammond :)03:23
jdeslipHurray another android user03:23
pleia2ok, how does that look?03:23
pleia2(thanks jtatum!)03:23
jdeslipbeautiful!03:23
pleia2we probably want our cute bear logo down in the body text somewhere03:23
jdeslipThis is officially the most productive meeting ever ;)03:24
pleia2we have an "about" page but we might get rid of the "about" page and move the text to the main page03:24
pleia2or change the main page to the "blog" but we haven't decided whether we actually want a blog03:24
pleia2(one more place to update, ugh!)03:24
jledbetterMight want to beware of everything having its own tab. Very tight. Maybe lump up stuff more?03:25
jdeslipIt seems like the planet would mostly supplaint that03:25
jledbetterjdeslip, +103:25
pleia2yeah and we've discussed some options for planet too, we think in the long run we want an app engine thing, but we're not sure how quickly we can get that going03:25
pleia2so we might go with venus for now, still talking with dragon about it03:26
DarkwingDuckWhy not use the app engine that planet.ubuntu uses?03:26
grantbowis the source available for app engine?03:26
jtatumplanet.ubuntu  doesn't use app engine03:26
pleia2planet.ubuntu uses planet planet03:26
pleia2venus is a better version of planet planet03:26
pleia2(kinda)03:27
DarkwingDuckhttps://github.com/rubys/venus/03:27
DarkwingDuckIt's not that bad and it's in Ruby... bonus for that.03:27
pleia2https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Planet has some ideas that people have already put up03:27
jtatumit's in php :)03:27
DarkwingDuckand py03:28
jtatumsorry python03:28
AndIrc_For a community site, I recommend using the most common, simple technologies available, so maintenance can easily be picked up by others as necessary.03:28
pleia2jledbetter: regarding lumping stuff up more, I'm not sure what you mean, drop some of the links, or..?03:28
* eps wants you to make sure the site is viewable on a Netbook without horizontal scrolling03:28
pleia2looks fine on my netbook03:29
grantbowmobile +103:29
jledbetterpleia2, Combine to larger categories maybe. One of the drawbacks to horizontal tab navigation with each being so specific.03:29
pleia2unfortunately if it doesn't work we'll have to scrap the community theme altogether and restart from scratch03:29
pleia2or we could offer an alternate mobile version03:30
epsYour screenshot was 1366x768. Most Netbooks are more like 1024x600.03:30
jledbetterHm03:30
pleia2eps: the screenshot has my whole desktop, it looks fine on my 1024 netbook :)03:30
DarkwingDuckworks in my netbook03:30
pleia2and that screenshot is a different computer03:30
jdeslipBy the way, I just got done implementing some mobile (Android/iOS) wordpress themes/plugins that look good.03:31
jledbetter980px fixed is what it looks like03:31
akkIdeally it should work even on narrower screens, like 80003:31
pleia2jdeslip: ooh, cool03:31
grantbowcan we do an email thread for reporting how the site looks on different browsers and platforms?03:31
pleia2akk: it's fixed width, it won't shrink :(03:31
jledbetter800? oy :)03:31
jtatumthe ubuntu theme is open source. patches welcome :) lp:ubuntu-website03:31
jdeslipNot sure if we want mobile edition.  But check out www.berkeleylug.com on you phone if want to see what is possible.03:31
pleia2jdeslip: cool03:31
grantbowjtatum: cool03:31
jledbetterjtatum, The new design is fixed. Do they really welcome liquid/fluid?03:31
pleia2based on ubuntu-website discussions they don't want non-fixed width03:32
jledbetterThat's what I heard too. Just checking.03:32
grantbowfixed with browser detection maybe?03:32
epsplease don't go there03:32
jledbetterlol03:32
pleia2grantbow: that gets very complicated03:33
grantbowI am not sure what's possible in the theme03:33
DarkwingDuck:)03:33
grantbowyeah03:33
DarkwingDuckIf it looks good in netbook then have a mobile theme I don't think we will have an issue03:33
pleia2DarkwingDuck: +103:34
jledbetterWhat would the mobile theme do? Be one column?03:34
pleia2I think we'd ask jdeslip to do some magic :)03:34
DarkwingDuckJust an optimised theme for looking at wordpress in mobile browsers03:34
crashsystemsDoes everyone know if the wordpress extension for presenting alternate themes when a mobile user agent is provided?03:34
crashsystemsof*03:35
pleia2jdeslip: ah, berkeleylug.org mobile is very different from the other site! (I like it)03:35
grantbowwe should test on all platforms too, unfortunately :)03:35
epsDoes wordpress preclude the use of CSS @media rules?03:36
grantbowie, safari on various hardware, etc.03:36
jtatumthe wordpress theme in use is open source :)03:36
pleia2yeah, now that you know how to update the hosts file, please do testing!03:36
jtatumyou guys have a lot of great ideas and should hook up with that project03:36
DarkwingDuckIf we are using the community theme there should already be a test platform.03:36
pleia2it's already been vetted by the community (several locos use it) but it doesn't hurt03:36
pleia2DarkwingDuck: yeah03:36
DarkwingDuck(knowing how Ubuntu devs do things)03:37
jdeslipYa, mobile is generally one column.  It would be easy to mode a mobile theme for our new page I think.03:37
DarkwingDuckSo, we would not need to retest everything that has already been tested.03:37
grantbowDarkwingDuck: good point03:37
pleia2anyway, I don't want to take up much more meeting time with this, we'll be working on this in the coming weeks, and you can nudge jtatum and I any time to discuss and we'll talk about stuff in channel03:38
pleia2and if anyone else wants to be on the website team with jtatum, dragon and myself, you're welcome (jdeslip?)03:39
grantbowI would03:39
DarkwingDuckI would if I wasn't redoing kubuntu.org this cycle03:39
pleia2grantbow: ok cool03:39
DarkwingDuckBut, I'm good for questions...03:39
pleia2grantbow: we'll talk later, I can hook you up with a wordpress login and all :)03:39
grantbowkk03:40
dragonoidThat'd help too, DarkwingDuck03:40
pleia2ok, next agenda item - somewhat related03:40
pleia2Photo sharing options03:40
pleia2Gallery2 on Linode03:40
pleia2Flickr account of team - added benefit of being integrated with the LoCo directory, see example here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie03:40
pleia2currently, those are our two main options03:40
DarkwingDuck+1 Flickr account03:40
pleia2I like the flickr account too, but it's not open source :\03:41
jdeslipIs there an app-engine option?03:41
pleia2jdeslip: we need to talk to dragon about that more, I am not sure how easy it would be03:41
pleia2mostly I just wanted to toss this topic out there to see what we thought about it, no decision is required tonight03:41
jdeslip(Also, I would personally prefer Picasa over Flickr because that is what I and friends use...)03:41
DarkwingDuck... But then we wouldn't be responsible for the space for pictures.03:41
pleia2unfortunately picasca doesn't have loco directory support03:42
dragonoidPicasa++03:42
pleia2err, other way around03:42
DarkwingDuckhttp://www.plogger.org/03:42
pleia2I can file a feature request bug for it though and see how it goes03:42
dragonoidWe can build a frontend for picasa using AppEngine.03:43
grantbowis the picasa source available? lol03:43
jdeslippleia2: ya that would be great for them to implement regardless of what we choose.03:43
dragonoidI'll be up for discussion about this later03:43
grantbowoh, it is03:43
pleia2oh wait03:43
grantbowhttp://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html03:43
pleia2picasca is supported by the loco directory!03:44
grantbowoh, that's client03:44
pleia2grantbow: that's the client, not picascaweb03:44
pleia2dragonoid: maybe you are right, can you look into app engine options?03:44
jdeslipYa, I don't think Picasa or Flickr or open-source (on the web at least).  (I just prefer picasa better because it is what i already use)03:44
dragonoidpleia2: yes03:45
pleia2so app engine, gallery2 (open source), picasa (closed), flickr (close)03:45
pleia2+d03:45
pleia2ok cool, dragonoid will look into app engine stuff, and we'll revisit this :)03:45
pleia2any other things before we wrap up the meeting?03:45
DarkwingDuckI'd like to send out an update really quick03:46
jledbettergood job getting the site going :)03:46
DarkwingDuckUpdate on the robots.txt for the indexing of the IRC logs... The IRCC has the bug and they are talking with Canonical IS people seeing if this is something that can/will be done for the ubuntu-us-ca team03:47
jdeslipjledbetter +103:47
grantbowagreed. great work on the site03:47
DarkwingDuckThey are working on it and as soon as I find anything out I will bounce it off the ML03:47
pleia2thanks DarkwingDuck :)03:48
grantbowgreat, thanks03:48
DarkwingDuckNext meeting on the 19th of December... It will be the last meeting of 201003:49
pleia2ok, thanks for coming everyone!03:49
jtatumthanks pleia203:50
jledbetterThank you pleia2!03:50
grantbowthanks all03:50
* pleia2 dinner03:50
DarkwingDuckMerry christmas to all and all a goodnight03:50
jdeslipAnd Happy Festivus03:51
DarkwingDuck:D03:51
jledbetterFor the rest of us?03:51
DarkwingDuck??03:51
jledbetterFestivus :D03:51
DarkwingDuckheh... Christmas is not a religious holiday for me... it's on the calendar. :)03:52
grantbowit has a wikipedia page so it must exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus03:52
DarkwingDuckany KDE/Kubuntu users want to help?03:52
grantbowjust like everything on video is true03:52
* DarkwingDuck is recruiting03:53
* jledbetter hangs out with gnomes.03:53
DarkwingDuckWell, soon to be Unity's03:54
jledbetterHaha. Too true :)03:54
crashsystemsanyone else here using FF 4.0?03:55
epsThat sounds like an ersatz Tetris ... or something out of Harry Potter ;-)03:57
Eurekawiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings edited04:06
MarkDudehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgptPbM27TM04:12
MarkDudeJono in SF on Friday04:12
Eurekawiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January02 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited04:22
Eurekawiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December05 edited04:30
Telendrith*s*21:20
TelendrithAnyone around?21:20
pleia2hi Telendrith21:20
TelendrithHeya pleia221:20
TelendrithIs anyone good with perl?21:20
pleia2I get by, but I'm a sysadmin not a programmer21:21
TelendrithI'm trying to see if it would be easy to make a irrsi scrip to scan a txt file with hosts and ping them and a port and if it gets a responce post in channel.21:22
pleia2yeah that should be very easy21:23
pleia2open the file, issue the ping command, collect the response, msg channel21:24
pleia2are you doing a ctcp ping or a regular host ping?21:25
pleia2the zoo is open on christmas \o/ I know what I'm doing21:43
jtatumpleia2: hmm… tempting :)21:59
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