[02:37] <pleia2> jtatum: will you be around for the meeting?
[02:37] <jtatum> pleia2, aye
[02:37] <pleia2> cool
[02:38] <jdeslip> Good evening everyone :)
[02:38] <pleia2> evening, jdeslip
[02:39] <jdeslip> I had a nice relaxing weekend - putting up lights :)
[02:40] <pleia2> we just lit the 5th night of candles \o/
[02:40] <jdeslip> Nice
[02:40] <pleia2> I had some errands to run this weekend, but it was mostly pretty mellow
[02:40] <jdeslip> I am not religious at all, but I really like the season
[02:41] <pleia2> me neither, but my boyfriend is jewish
[02:41] <pleia2> he vetoed the secular tree, so i decorated my desk ;)
[02:41] <jdeslip> lol
[02:42] <jdeslip> Everyone can celebrate festivus at least
[02:42] <pleia2> hehe, yeah
[02:43]  * pleia2 starts shopping for poles
[02:43] <jdeslip> One of my friends has a festivus party every year.  Includes feats of strength and airing of greivances.
[02:43] <pleia2> nice
[02:44] <pleia2> I think we'll come up to berkeley lug on sunday
[02:45] <jdeslip> Awesome!  BTW, with *any* luck, I'll be at the Ubuntu hour this week.  Class is out, so I don't have to teach my Wednesday session!
[02:45] <pleia2> shame I decided to do the debian thing every *other* month
[02:45] <pleia2> should probably see if any ubuntu hour people want to do dinner anyway though
[02:46] <jdeslip> Ya, perhaps we could have an Ubuntu holiday party of sorts.
[02:47] <jdeslip> I.e. dinner and/or drinks after
[02:47] <pleia2> yeah, that's a good idea
[02:47] <pleia2> thirsty bear is right there
[02:47] <pleia2> drinks and tapas :)
[02:48] <pleia2> ooh, I'll bring the zareason laptop I'm reviewing too
[02:48] <jdeslip> Sounds good to me
[02:51] <crashsystems> I'll likely be at the Jan Jose ubuntu hour on Thursday :D
[02:53] <jtatum> great! see you there
[02:53] <crashsystems> San Jose*
[02:54] <grantbow> I think I caught lyz's cold
[02:55] <crashsystems> Btw, does anyone going on thursday happen to have a ThinkPad x201 or similar model of thinkpad?
[02:55] <pleia2> I haven't even seen you!
[02:55] <grantbow> lol, I know
[02:55] <pleia2> evening, grantbow :)
[02:55] <grantbow> evening :)
[02:55] <pleia2> I think someone here recently got a thinkpad
[02:55] <akk> I have an x201, but not sure if I'll be there on Thursday.
[02:56] <jdeslip> Long time no see on here grantbow
[02:56] <crashsystems> akk: if by chance you do go, would you mind bring it with you?
[02:56] <jdeslip> grantbow - you going to be better by Wednesday for the Ubuntu hour + dinner?
[02:56] <akk> Will do, crashsystems
[02:56] <crashsystems> thanks
[02:57] <akk> Oh, wait, this Thursday? No, sorry, I definitely won't be there.
[02:57] <crashsystems> ok
[02:57] <akk> Indoor flying in sunnyvale.
[02:57] <crashsystems> as a side note, Firefox 4 + Firefox on Android == Win
[02:57] <akk> I'll be at the Mountain View one the following Thursday, though.
[02:57] <crashsystems> indoor flying?
[02:57] <akk> Most likely.
[02:57] <grantbow> jdeslip, I am usually at noisebridge.net on Wednesdays after partimus.org at Mission Beacon
[02:57] <akk> crashsystems: Little model airplanes.
[02:57] <crashsystems> is that kinda like falling but forgetting you are falling?
[02:57] <crashsystems> oh, ok
[03:00] <MarkDude> Sorry phildini - I was just curious why my Twitter list you put me on is *not-woot*- How can I get on a woot list?
[03:00] <MarkDude> :)
[03:00] <pleia2> ok, meeting time!
[03:00] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December05
[03:01] <pleia2> we didn't put announcements on the agenda, but maybe that should be a standing first or last agenda item
[03:01] <jdeslip> First is as good a time as any
[03:01] <pleia2> ok, announcements!
[03:02] <grantbow> Alpha 1 is out
[03:02] <grantbow> 11.04 Alpha 1
[03:02] <pleia2> alpha 1 info: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-December/000793.html
[03:03]  * MarkDude is looking for a caterer in the Bay for CLSwest on Jan 15th- suggestions can be mailed to me mark@zareason.com 
[03:04] <pleia2> we have several upcoming ubuntu hours around the state, all listed at loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-california
[03:04] <MarkDude> I am the dinner coordinator for the event- We already have 2 people reserved for doing a Tea Ceremony
[03:04] <pleia2> cool
[03:04] <eps> What is CLSwest?
[03:05] <pleia2> http://www.communityleadershipsummit.com/wiki/index.php/CLS_West
[03:05] <akk> Also, time is running out for talk proposals for SCALE -- I think there's a week left, if anybody's thinking about speaking there.
[03:05] <pleia2> in daly city
[03:06] <jledbetter> Hope to attend SCALE for sure
[03:07] <DarkwingDuck> Sorry I'm late
[03:07] <MarkDude> Yay scale effin rocks
[03:07] <pleia2> scale cfp is on socallinuxexpo.org
[03:08] <pleia2> ok, any more announcements?
[03:08] <MarkDude> Partimus Fundraiser Dec 15th also
[03:08] <pleia2> MarkDude: yep, that's the first agenda item :)
[03:08] <pleia2> we'll get to that once we finish announcements
[03:09] <pleia2> which it seems like we've done
[03:09] <pleia2> ok
[03:09] <dragonoid> Please ping me if there's voting at any time.
[03:09] <pleia2> Partimus Fundraiser Dec 15th. Helping put FOSS in Schools. Update on activities and upcoming plans.
[03:10] <pleia2> MarkDude: I think this is your agenda item, the floor is yours :)
[03:10] <MarkDude> 15th we will have a party at one of the schools that Christian helps
[03:11] <MarkDude> They help provide computer labs to kids in SF and oakland
[03:11] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Partimus is the team page about the project
[03:11] <MarkDude> grantbow, can say something about all the good stuff the labs do
[03:12] <MarkDude> If he would. He has been helping with it for a while
[03:12] <grantbow> I look forward to seeing people there
[03:12] <pleia2> this discusses the event itself and has registration info: http://partimus.org/fundraising_event_2010.php
[03:13] <MarkDude> If you cant pay to get in- you are still invited
[03:14] <pleia2> yeah, there is a free ticket option
[03:14] <grantbow> right
[03:14] <pleia2> anything else?
[03:14] <MarkDude> And if you are elsewhere nd cant make it- you can donate
[03:14] <MarkDude> too
[03:15] <MarkDude> Yes, if you have any hardware that can be donated that works bring it
[03:15] <MarkDude> let me know ahead of time
[03:15] <grantbow> I think that's all, I'd be happy to answer question afterward
[03:15] <pleia2> ah yes, the hardware reqs are here: http://partimus.org/donate.php
[03:15] <pleia2> (scroll down a bit)
[03:15] <MarkDude> If you just have parts- they can also be donated to GK
[03:16] <MarkDude> Again- contact me- or Dangerous G
[03:16] <MarkDude> Thats it :)
[03:16] <pleia2> ok cool
[03:16] <pleia2> Next agenda item: Website progress update and DEMO!
[03:16] <pleia2> ok, this is the fun part :)
[03:17] <pleia2> jtatum and I worked these past couple weeks to get a demo main site up on the linode
[03:17] <DarkwingDuck> +1
[03:17] <pleia2> we haven't updated DNS yet, we wanted to come to a meeting and see what people thought, so to view it you can edit: /etc/hosts
[03:17] <pleia2> and add this line:
[03:17] <pleia2> 207.192.72.66 ubuntu-california.org
[03:18]  * MarkDude wants it ALL in Flash, with an intro that takes a few minutes to upload, can I add that to the potential list ? :D
[03:18] <jdeslip> nano /etc/hosts
[03:18] <pleia2> you'll have to use sudo
[03:18] <jtatum> sudo nano :)
[03:18] <jdeslip> ... wrong window
[03:18] <jdeslip> (and yes missing the sudo)
[03:18] <crashsystems> "The home page would go here. Yes, indeedy."
[03:18] <pleia2> crashsystems: woo!
[03:19] <AndIrc_> I can't edit etc hosts on my phone :(
[03:19] <pleia2> yeah, so once you have that done, navigate to ubuntu-california.org in your web browser
[03:19] <jledbetter> nice home page text :D
[03:19] <pleia2> I also took a screenshot: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/ubuntu-california-website-120510.png
[03:19] <pleia2> AndIrc_: it's large, sorry :(
[03:20] <pleia2> we installed wordpress and then used the community developed wordpress theme
[03:20] <jtatum> i wrote the home page text. pleia2 did the heavy lifting
[03:20] <jdeslip> Very pretty
[03:20] <pleia2> hey, you got the theme installed :)
[03:20] <jledbetter> jtatum, I shoulda guessed ;)
[03:20] <DarkwingDuck> pretty
[03:20] <jdeslip> (one nitpic - add more space after team before the orange ends)
[03:21] <crashsystems> orange > brown
[03:21] <pleia2> maybe just drop "Team"?
[03:21] <grantbow> Team is important
[03:21] <pleia2> ok
[03:21] <eps> Or a non-breaking space between California and Team
[03:21] <grantbow> as in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams
[03:21] <akk> Wrapping "Team" does look strange, though.
[03:21]  * MarkDude hopes the lack of penguins is just an oversight
[03:22] <AndIrc_> No need to repeat "ubuntu" twice before"california team" (logo)
[03:22] <eps> Maybe just delete the second Ubuntu
[03:22] <pleia2> "California Team"
[03:22] <akk> Good point, the second Ubuntu doesn't need to be there
[03:22] <jledbetter> can just move it to the left and span with white space of none
[03:22] <MarkDude> +1 getting rid of 2nd ubuntu
[03:22] <akk> assuming that the ubuntu logo above it has alt text of "Ubuntu" for accessibility
[03:22] <pleia2> jtatum: I am not sure where that text is in the theme, wanna update it?
[03:22] <jledbetter> But css design by committee is crazy :)
[03:23] <jtatum> updated
[03:23] <AndIrc_> Ah, I am erichammond in disguise.
[03:23] <grantbow> lol
[03:23] <pleia2> oh, hi erichammond :)
[03:23] <jdeslip> Hurray another android user
[03:23] <pleia2> ok, how does that look?
[03:23] <pleia2> (thanks jtatum!)
[03:23] <jdeslip> beautiful!
[03:23] <pleia2> we probably want our cute bear logo down in the body text somewhere
[03:24] <jdeslip> This is officially the most productive meeting ever ;)
[03:24] <pleia2> we have an "about" page but we might get rid of the "about" page and move the text to the main page
[03:24] <pleia2> or change the main page to the "blog" but we haven't decided whether we actually want a blog
[03:24] <pleia2> (one more place to update, ugh!)
[03:25] <jledbetter> Might want to beware of everything having its own tab. Very tight. Maybe lump up stuff more?
[03:25] <jdeslip> It seems like the planet would mostly supplaint that
[03:25] <jledbetter> jdeslip, +1
[03:25] <pleia2> yeah and we've discussed some options for planet too, we think in the long run we want an app engine thing, but we're not sure how quickly we can get that going
[03:26] <pleia2> so we might go with venus for now, still talking with dragon about it
[03:26] <DarkwingDuck> Why not use the app engine that planet.ubuntu uses?
[03:26] <grantbow> is the source available for app engine?
[03:26] <jtatum> planet.ubuntu  doesn't use app engine
[03:26] <pleia2> planet.ubuntu uses planet planet
[03:26] <pleia2> venus is a better version of planet planet
[03:27] <pleia2> (kinda)
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> https://github.com/rubys/venus/
[03:27] <DarkwingDuck> It's not that bad and it's in Ruby... bonus for that.
[03:27] <pleia2> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/Planet has some ideas that people have already put up
[03:27] <jtatum> it's in php :)
[03:28] <DarkwingDuck> and py
[03:28] <jtatum> sorry python
[03:28] <AndIrc_> For a community site, I recommend using the most common, simple technologies available, so maintenance can easily be picked up by others as necessary.
[03:28] <pleia2> jledbetter: regarding lumping stuff up more, I'm not sure what you mean, drop some of the links, or..?
[03:28]  * eps wants you to make sure the site is viewable on a Netbook without horizontal scrolling
[03:29] <pleia2> looks fine on my netbook
[03:29] <grantbow> mobile +1
[03:29] <jledbetter> pleia2, Combine to larger categories maybe. One of the drawbacks to horizontal tab navigation with each being so specific.
[03:29] <pleia2> unfortunately if it doesn't work we'll have to scrap the community theme altogether and restart from scratch
[03:30] <pleia2> or we could offer an alternate mobile version
[03:30] <eps> Your screenshot was 1366x768. Most Netbooks are more like 1024x600.
[03:30] <jledbetter> Hm
[03:30] <pleia2> eps: the screenshot has my whole desktop, it looks fine on my 1024 netbook :)
[03:30] <DarkwingDuck> works in my netbook
[03:30] <pleia2> and that screenshot is a different computer
[03:31] <jdeslip> By the way, I just got done implementing some mobile (Android/iOS) wordpress themes/plugins that look good.
[03:31] <jledbetter> 980px fixed is what it looks like
[03:31] <akk> Ideally it should work even on narrower screens, like 800
[03:31] <pleia2> jdeslip: ooh, cool
[03:31] <grantbow> can we do an email thread for reporting how the site looks on different browsers and platforms?
[03:31] <pleia2> akk: it's fixed width, it won't shrink :(
[03:31] <jledbetter> 800? oy :)
[03:31] <jtatum> the ubuntu theme is open source. patches welcome :) lp:ubuntu-website
[03:31] <jdeslip> Not sure if we want mobile edition.  But check out www.berkeleylug.com on you phone if want to see what is possible.
[03:31] <pleia2> jdeslip: cool
[03:31] <grantbow> jtatum: cool
[03:31] <jledbetter> jtatum, The new design is fixed. Do they really welcome liquid/fluid?
[03:32] <pleia2> based on ubuntu-website discussions they don't want non-fixed width
[03:32] <jledbetter> That's what I heard too. Just checking.
[03:32] <grantbow> fixed with browser detection maybe?
[03:32] <eps> please don't go there
[03:32] <jledbetter> lol
[03:33] <pleia2> grantbow: that gets very complicated
[03:33] <grantbow> I am not sure what's possible in the theme
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[03:33] <grantbow> yeah
[03:33] <DarkwingDuck> If it looks good in netbook then have a mobile theme I don't think we will have an issue
[03:34] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: +1
[03:34] <jledbetter> What would the mobile theme do? Be one column?
[03:34] <pleia2> I think we'd ask jdeslip to do some magic :)
[03:34] <DarkwingDuck> Just an optimised theme for looking at wordpress in mobile browsers
[03:34] <crashsystems> Does everyone know if the wordpress extension for presenting alternate themes when a mobile user agent is provided?
[03:35] <crashsystems> of*
[03:35] <pleia2> jdeslip: ah, berkeleylug.org mobile is very different from the other site! (I like it)
[03:35] <grantbow> we should test on all platforms too, unfortunately :)
[03:36] <eps> Does wordpress preclude the use of CSS @media rules?
[03:36] <grantbow> ie, safari on various hardware, etc.
[03:36] <jtatum> the wordpress theme in use is open source :)
[03:36] <pleia2> yeah, now that you know how to update the hosts file, please do testing!
[03:36] <jtatum> you guys have a lot of great ideas and should hook up with that project
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> If we are using the community theme there should already be a test platform.
[03:36] <pleia2> it's already been vetted by the community (several locos use it) but it doesn't hurt
[03:36] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yeah
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> (knowing how Ubuntu devs do things)
[03:37] <jdeslip> Ya, mobile is generally one column.  It would be easy to mode a mobile theme for our new page I think.
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> So, we would not need to retest everything that has already been tested.
[03:37] <grantbow> DarkwingDuck: good point
[03:38] <pleia2> anyway, I don't want to take up much more meeting time with this, we'll be working on this in the coming weeks, and you can nudge jtatum and I any time to discuss and we'll talk about stuff in channel
[03:39] <pleia2> and if anyone else wants to be on the website team with jtatum, dragon and myself, you're welcome (jdeslip?)
[03:39] <grantbow> I would
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> I would if I wasn't redoing kubuntu.org this cycle
[03:39] <pleia2> grantbow: ok cool
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> But, I'm good for questions...
[03:39] <pleia2> grantbow: we'll talk later, I can hook you up with a wordpress login and all :)
[03:40] <grantbow> kk
[03:40] <dragonoid> That'd help too, DarkwingDuck
[03:40] <pleia2> ok, next agenda item - somewhat related
[03:40] <pleia2> Photo sharing options
[03:40] <pleia2> Gallery2 on Linode
[03:40] <pleia2> Flickr account of team - added benefit of being integrated with the LoCo directory, see example here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ie
[03:40] <pleia2> currently, those are our two main options
[03:40] <DarkwingDuck> +1 Flickr account
[03:41] <pleia2> I like the flickr account too, but it's not open source :\
[03:41] <jdeslip> Is there an app-engine option?
[03:41] <pleia2> jdeslip: we need to talk to dragon about that more, I am not sure how easy it would be
[03:41] <pleia2> mostly I just wanted to toss this topic out there to see what we thought about it, no decision is required tonight
[03:41] <jdeslip> (Also, I would personally prefer Picasa over Flickr because that is what I and friends use...)
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> ... But then we wouldn't be responsible for the space for pictures.
[03:42] <pleia2> unfortunately picasca doesn't have loco directory support
[03:42] <dragonoid> Picasa++
[03:42] <pleia2> err, other way around
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.plogger.org/
[03:42] <pleia2> I can file a feature request bug for it though and see how it goes
[03:43] <dragonoid> We can build a frontend for picasa using AppEngine.
[03:43] <grantbow> is the picasa source available? lol
[03:43] <jdeslip> pleia2: ya that would be great for them to implement regardless of what we choose.
[03:43] <dragonoid> I'll be up for discussion about this later
[03:43] <grantbow> oh, it is
[03:43] <pleia2> oh wait
[03:43] <grantbow> http://picasa.google.com/linux/download.html
[03:44] <pleia2> picasca is supported by the loco directory!
[03:44] <grantbow> oh, that's client
[03:44] <pleia2> grantbow: that's the client, not picascaweb
[03:44] <pleia2> dragonoid: maybe you are right, can you look into app engine options?
[03:44] <jdeslip> Ya, I don't think Picasa or Flickr or open-source (on the web at least).  (I just prefer picasa better because it is what i already use)
[03:45] <dragonoid> pleia2: yes
[03:45] <pleia2> so app engine, gallery2 (open source), picasa (closed), flickr (close)
[03:45] <pleia2> +d
[03:45] <pleia2> ok cool, dragonoid will look into app engine stuff, and we'll revisit this :)
[03:45] <pleia2> any other things before we wrap up the meeting?
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> I'd like to send out an update really quick
[03:46] <jledbetter> good job getting the site going :)
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> Update on the robots.txt for the indexing of the IRC logs... The IRCC has the bug and they are talking with Canonical IS people seeing if this is something that can/will be done for the ubuntu-us-ca team
[03:47] <jdeslip> jledbetter +1
[03:47] <grantbow> agreed. great work on the site
[03:47] <DarkwingDuck> They are working on it and as soon as I find anything out I will bounce it off the ML
[03:48] <pleia2> thanks DarkwingDuck :)
[03:48] <grantbow> great, thanks
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> Next meeting on the 19th of December... It will be the last meeting of 2010
[03:49] <pleia2> ok, thanks for coming everyone!
[03:50] <jtatum> thanks pleia2
[03:50] <jledbetter> Thank you pleia2!
[03:50] <grantbow> thanks all
[03:50]  * pleia2 dinner
[03:50] <DarkwingDuck> Merry christmas to all and all a goodnight
[03:51] <jdeslip> And Happy Festivus
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[03:51] <jledbetter> For the rest of us?
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> ??
[03:51] <jledbetter> Festivus :D
[03:52] <DarkwingDuck> heh... Christmas is not a religious holiday for me... it's on the calendar. :)
[03:52] <grantbow> it has a wikipedia page so it must exist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Festivus
[03:52] <DarkwingDuck> any KDE/Kubuntu users want to help?
[03:52] <grantbow> just like everything on video is true
[03:53]  * DarkwingDuck is recruiting
[03:53]  * jledbetter hangs out with gnomes.
[03:54] <DarkwingDuck> Well, soon to be Unity's
[03:54] <jledbetter> Haha. Too true :)
[03:55] <crashsystems> anyone else here using FF 4.0?
[03:57] <eps> That sounds like an ersatz Tetris ... or something out of Harry Potter ;-)
[04:06] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/Current edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings edited
[04:12] <MarkDude> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgptPbM27TM
[04:12] <MarkDude> Jono in SF on Friday
[04:22] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11January02 edited | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Menu edited
[04:30] <Eureka> wiki: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10December05 edited
[21:20] <Telendrith> *s*
[21:20] <Telendrith> Anyone around?
[21:20] <pleia2> hi Telendrith
[21:20] <Telendrith> Heya pleia2
[21:20] <Telendrith> Is anyone good with perl?
[21:21] <pleia2> I get by, but I'm a sysadmin not a programmer
[21:22] <Telendrith> I'm trying to see if it would be easy to make a irrsi scrip to scan a txt file with hosts and ping them and a port and if it gets a responce post in channel.
[21:23] <pleia2> yeah that should be very easy
[21:24] <pleia2> open the file, issue the ping command, collect the response, msg channel
[21:25] <pleia2> are you doing a ctcp ping or a regular host ping?
[21:43] <pleia2> the zoo is open on christmas \o/ I know what I'm doing
[21:59] <jtatum> pleia2: hmm… tempting :)