[00:04] <thafreak> I went to a client once where their main "server" was a persistent knoppix install...
[00:04] <thafreak> and it was so old, that I found out debian sarge was newer...so I switched their apt sources to sarge, and got updates
[00:05] <thafreak> that was over 2 years ago now though...so I guess sarge wasn't THAT old then...
[00:06] <thafreak> but I bet it's still in use there...
[00:10] <canthus13> Heh. tough stuff. :)
[00:10]  * canthus13 thought knoppix was based on Slack until a year or two ago...
[00:20] <thafreak> no, I think it's always been debian, or atleast for quite a while
[00:24] <canthus13> Huh.  I'm just glad they switched from KDE.
[00:29] <thafreak> oh yeah? They did? hmm when did that happen?
[00:35] <canthus13> I dunno. I've got 6.2.1 and it's LXDE.
[00:36] <canthus13> The only problem with using my MP3 player is that it maxes out CPU usage whenever it hits the drive.... :(
[00:57] <BiosElement> AWWW I'm a moron
[00:57] <BiosElement> Microsoft just gave me their most epic captcha ever
[00:58] <BiosElement> "we suck"...dead serious. >.>
[02:22] <Unit193> canthus13: What are the sys requirements? (yes I know you were talking about that a bit ago)
[02:54] <Unit193> Cheri703: You around?
[02:55] <Cheri703> yeppers
[02:56] <Unit193> Do you know when I might be able to get the processor?
[02:58] <Cheri703> well, tuesday is out, and work will be kind of busy this week (would probably be done by 5 or 6 most days), but evenings should be free
[02:59] <Cheri703> so either I can drop it off, or if you wanted help, I can do that too
[02:59] <Unit193> What day would work best for you?
[03:08] <Cheri703> you have a more complicated schedule than I do, if I recall, so what nights are free and we'll go from there
[03:09] <Unit193> For this week? not Mon or Weds
[03:11] <Cheri703> k, we can go with thursday if that's good for you
[03:11] <Cheri703> not sure what time at this point
[03:11] <Cheri703> we can discuss
[03:27] <dmcglone> Hey everyone
[03:27] <Unit193> Hey dmcglone
[03:28] <dmcglone> anyone having problems loading facebook?
[03:28] <Cheri703> hey dmcglone
[03:28] <Unit193> I don't use FB....
[03:29] <dmcglone> since I've switched over to DSL I can't figure out whether my internet is not set up correct, or the DSL is sucking or the webisite is having diffaculty
[03:29] <Unit193> Not puppy?
[03:30] <dmcglone> huh?
[03:30] <canthus13> dmcglone: DSL? Why?
[03:30]  * Unit193 is an idiot... you were talking ISP...
[03:30] <canthus13> Oh.
[03:31]  * canthus13 is too.
[03:31]  * canthus13 immediately thought Damn Small Linux.
[03:31] <Unit193> Same here....
[03:32] <dmcglone> it's cheaper canthus13
[03:32] <dmcglone> and I'm not happy with time warner dropping FOX and WTTE
[03:33] <canthus13> Meh. Fuck Time Warner.
[03:33] <dmcglone> Where I live AT&T and Time Warner are my only 2 choices
[03:34] <canthus13> dmcglone: It's a war with the content providers right now. they're losing ad revenue because advertisers aren't willing to pay as much due to DVRs and such where people can fast forward.  So they try to take it out of the cable and satellite companies.  Unfortunately, we're at the breaking point on content charges.
[03:34] <canthus13> Cable used to be a cash cow. Now there is almost *NO* money in video content delivery.
[03:35]  * Cheri703 just has roadrunner, not tv service
[03:35]  * Unit193 Has the same as Cheri703 with worse speeds....
[03:35] <canthus13> Cheri703: They really don't care about video services except that once you bundle TV, phone, and internet you're less likely to change to someone else.
[03:35] <dmcglone> Well I think TW could solve this problem, they just don't want to
[03:35] <Cheri703> yeah
[03:36] <canthus13> dmcglone: Sure. they can raise rates on everyone.
[03:36] <canthus13> dmcglone: They played chicken with FOX, and fox won this round.  It'll change if more cable and satellite services drop FOX as well.
[03:37] <dmcglone> I don't think that would be necessary IMHO, I just think they want to keep making millions a day and keep charging and charging more until they make trillions a day
[03:37]  * Cheri703 is annoyed with windows / windows software tonight
[03:37] <canthus13> dmcglone: No. Seriously. I work in the industry. Content providers are charging out the butt. We make maybe 3-4% profit on regular channels, and 50 cents a month per subscriber on premiums.  With VOD we break even.
[03:38] <Unit193> Cheri703: What are you stuck doing?
[03:38] <paultag> hey all :)
[03:38] <Unit193> Hey paultag
[03:38] <dmcglone> I see canthus13, I'll take your word on that
[03:38] <paultag> yo Unit193
[03:38] <dmcglone> yo paultag
[03:38] <paultag> yo dmcglone
[03:38] <canthus13> dmcglone: Internet is where the money is, and with companies like comcast starting to gouge for passage across their network, Internet is gonna be in a tight spot as well.
[03:38] <canthus13> THe whole industry is eating itself alive.
[03:39] <dmcglone> so what is your prediction?
[03:39] <Cheri703> setting up a computer for a new employee at my job, it's a computer that shipped with win7, put xp on it earlier, then getting crappy errors when trying to install the xerox specific software, so I'm going to just start over AGAIN >.<
[03:40] <canthus13> dmcglone: We end up with whatever single media provider manages to win the fight.  then the government steps in and 'deregulates' and we end up with the baby bell situation all over again.
[03:41] <canthus13> dmcglone: ...Or the FCC finally grows some balls and sets sane rules.
[03:42] <dmcglone> I see. What crosses your mind and how do you think you would handle things for yourself in the future when you think about this whole mess?
[03:44] <canthus13> dmcglone: as much as I hate to say it, government regulation.  No company can charge another company or deny traffic from another without a technical reason for it.
[03:44] <canthus13> bandwidth 'consumption' is stupid.  It's not a finite resource.  We're not gonna have a  'peak bits' situation and end up running out.
[03:44] <Cheri703> canthus13: some industries just need regulation, just as some people need to be held in check or they'll run rampant with greed/power (often the same people that rise to power in those industries)
[03:45] <dmcglone> what do you mean deny  traffic from another?
[03:45] <canthus13> dmcglone: Refuse to forward traffic across your network from a particular company.
[03:45] <Cheri703> time warner is mad at fox, so disallows fox.com
[03:45] <Cheri703> *this happened actually
[03:45] <Cheri703> but the other way around
[03:45] <canthus13> Cheri703: Exactly.
[03:45] <Cheri703> the site blocked cablevision customers
[03:46] <Cheri703> hulu or something blocked a network's content because they were cablevision customers, somehow not realizing that people have internet without cable...they restored service after enough people yelled at them
[03:46] <dmcglone> Ah so it's time warner trying to punish fox by not airing their stuff
[03:46] <Cheri703> consumerist had coverage of it
[03:46] <canthus13> ...Or say my company gets pissed at comcast for overcharging for bandwidth, so we deny all traffic originating from comcast IPs.  We carry a ton of comcast traffic over a 10gig line.. Lots of people would lose access to signifigant portions of the interne.
[03:46] <canthus13> +t
[03:47] <Cheri703> dmcglone: fox probably wanted too much money so tw refused to pay
[03:47] <canthus13> Cheri703: That's the exact situation. Fox news doubled their charges this list round of negotiations.  They're almost as expensive as ESPN now.
[03:47] <canthus13> s/list/last/
[03:48] <canthus13> the content providers think the distributors are made of money... We're not anymore.
[03:48] <dmcglone> I always thought commercials was the main source of revenue for providers
[03:48] <canthus13> dmcglone: They used to be.
[03:49] <canthus13> dmcglone: Commercials don't pay what they used to. Advertisers are seeing less revenue from their TV ads, so they're not willing to pay as much.
[03:49] <dmcglone> well if thats the case why haven't they taken them off tv lol
[03:49] <canthus13> people mute commercials, fast-forward through them, etc.
[03:49] <canthus13> dmcglone: Without them there'd be no TV.
[03:49] <canthus13> and they still see some revenue, just not as much as back in the 80s and 90s.
[03:50] <canthus13> TV production costs have gone up due to the demands of 'stars' as well.
[03:50] <canthus13> We may see a sharp drop once CGI actors become the norm.
[03:51] <dmcglone> so I guess they will basically keep raising cable bills until it cost 2 or 3 hundred a month/subscriber
[03:51] <canthus13> dmcglone: We try to not do that.
[03:51] <canthus13> dmcglone: that's why our margins are so thin these days.
[03:52] <canthus13> We still end up raising rates a little, though... and it's getting worse now that our backs are against the wall.
[03:52] <dmcglone> but from what I understand from you, thats basically whats happening
[03:52] <canthus13> dmcglone: Yep.  Fox got dropped in part to slow that down.
[03:53] <dmcglone> soon we'll be paying 200/month for basic cable and still have to watch commercials
[03:53] <canthus13> ...and more of them.
[03:53] <canthus13> broadcast TV is quickly becoming a thing of the past.  The digital conversion hastened that.
[03:53] <Cheri703> and they wonder why people just download tv shows >.<
[03:54] <canthus13> yep.
[03:54] <dmcglone> we will probably be paying for local channels soon
[03:54] <canthus13> dmcglone: You do.
[03:54] <dmcglone> not if I don't have cable
[03:54] <canthus13> dmcglone: Either through taxes or through product price increases.
[03:55] <dmcglone> Oh so it's hidden
[03:55] <canthus13> dmcglone: Yup.
[03:55] <dmcglone> typical of our governement
[03:55] <dmcglone> just typical
[03:56] <canthus13> dmcglone: Mostly price increases, but some stations receive government funding of some sort for various services they provide.
[03:58] <dmcglone> won't be long and every aspect of every americans life will be controlled by the gov.
[03:59] <dmcglone> we are slowly fighting a losing battle
[03:59] <canthus13> dmcglone: That's a whole other topic.
[04:00] <Cheri703> dmcglone: would you rather have gov't regulate it and keep the costs low, or pay several hundred dollars to get cable? I'd rather not pay craploads of money
[04:01] <canthus13> dmcglone: I'd rather the government stepped in and make the big guys play nice than have one giant media conglomerate control my news, internet, TV, phone service, etc.
[04:01] <thafreak> I dropped cable...and if they screw with streaming shows, I'll stop watching them too
[04:01] <dmcglone> canthus13: somewhat, but it's quite true if you think about it
[04:01] <canthus13> On the other hand, I'd also rather see the health care bill, the DMCA, and the Patriot act all repealed.
[04:01] <dmcglone> Cheri703: I agree, but I'm referring to our government hiding costs and such
[04:02] <Cheri703> I'm going to go make cookies, I'll be back in a while
[04:02] <canthus13> I have a feeling the health care bill is gonna be repealed or drastically changed soon... The DMCA may come within the next few years too, as we get more judges in place that actually understand technology.
[04:03] <dmcglone> matter of face, when did getting government involved ever work anyway. Have you seen the price of gasoline these days?
[04:03] <canthus13> dmcglone: Blame the environmentalists for that... We haven't had a new refinery built since 1973.
[04:03] <Cheri703> dmcglone: when I hear people say "when did getting gov't involved ever work anyway" I think of the great depression...things would have completely collapsed if not for government
[04:03] <dmcglone> wouldn't that be Al Gore
[04:03] <canthus13> We can't pump oil anywhere off the east or west coasts... or alaska...
[04:04] <canthus13> dmcglone: It's been gradual, starting in the 60's.
[04:04] <dmcglone> we can't because of our government
[04:04] <canthus13> dmcglone: We can't because of the environmentalist idiots that have pushed the government into it.
[04:05] <dmcglone> those environmentalist happen to be our government
[04:05] <dmcglone> lol
[04:05] <Cheri703> even though I'm distracted making cookies, I think that things are getting awfully political for an ubuntu room :/
[04:05] <canthus13> Heh.
[04:05] <dmcglone> this doesn't sound political to me
[04:06] <Cheri703> mmk, just stating my opinion
[04:06] <dmcglone> well opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they usually stink... LMAO
[04:06] <dmcglone> whoooo hoooo
[04:07] <Cheri703> thanks for that dmcglone. :/
[04:07] <dmcglone> what??? I thought that was funny
[04:07] <dmcglone> LMAO
[04:07] <canthus13> It was a bit over the top.
[04:07] <dmcglone> I just had to say it, it's so funny
[04:07]  * Cheri703 isn't really in the mood for that tonight
[04:08] <dmcglone> I wasn't directing that toward anyone, I was just saying it because it's funny
[04:08] <thafreak> Let me throw this out there, we can produce butanol from organic matter, and it will work in all of the cars on the road today
[04:09] <thafreak> without needing modified engines...it actually has more energy than gas
[04:09] <dmcglone> canthus13: did you turn my cable off?
[04:09] <thafreak> but have any of you even heard of it?
[04:09] <dmcglone> LMAO
[04:10] <dmcglone> I'm not sure I have
[04:10] <thafreak> http://www.butanol.com/
[04:10] <dmcglone> I guess I'm on the shit list tonight
[04:11] <thafreak> but...everyone is stuck on ethanol it seems...and worse, using corn to make it, which is one of the hardest plants to grow
[04:11] <dmcglone> I remember the guy who figured a way to run a car on water and he ended up dead real quick
[04:11] <thafreak> I'd rather us not even use gas anymore instead of caring how much gas costs
[04:12] <dmcglone> I agree
[04:13] <dmcglone> I think citizens need to start making a stand instead of just keeping their mouth shut and going with the flow
[04:13] <dmcglone> I think we can all agree we are tired of getting walked all over by corporations
[04:14] <dmcglone> the rich man manipulates our lives
[04:24] <Cheri703> :( husband used the last of our eggs earlier today, no cookies tonight :(
[04:24] <canthus13> :(
[04:24] <canthus13> make him walk to the store, buy more.
[04:25] <Cheri703> will be going to the grocery store sooner than later. closest store that would still be open is a few miles away
[04:29] <Unit193> Walking in the snow at night....
[04:29] <canthus13> Snow?
[04:29] <Unit193> You don't have snow?
[04:29] <canthus13> Nah. Everything misses toledo.
[04:30] <Unit193> From where we live it's doable...
[04:37] <Cheri703> do I need a recovery partition if I have the recovery disk?
[04:37] <Cheri703> because I want to punch this computer and things would be easier without the recovery partition
[04:37] <Cheri703> paultag: you might know....
[04:37] <Unit193> I don't think so...
[04:37] <Cheri703> do I need a recovery partition if I have the recovery disk?
[04:37] <Cheri703> ok
[04:37] <Unit193> As long as it's the right OS
[04:37] <paultag_> Cheri703: no clue :/
[04:38] <Cheri703> yeah, well, I'm going from win7 to xp, but I still have the win7 dvd
[04:38] <Unit193> If you don't plan on using the preinstalled OS then you really dont' need it
[04:38] <Cheri703> well, if I have the win7 dvd, I can still go back, it doesn't reference the recovery partition, does it?
[04:39] <Unit193> No
[04:39] <Cheri703> ok, so...I should be good
[04:39] <Unit193> That part also has the preinstalled apps
[04:39] <Cheri703> meh
[04:40] <Cheri703> ok, thanks
[04:40] <Unit193> Norton AV trial :P
[04:40] <Unit193> NP
[04:41] <Cheri703> I finished of the most recent batch of ice cream since I couldn't make cookies :)
[04:42] <Unit193> I really want homemade ice cream :'(
[04:42] <Cheri703> it's very easy
[05:25]  * Cheri703 is starting installation #4 of windows xp on this computer tonight
[05:35] <Unit193> What is going wrong?
[05:39] <Cheri703> various problems:
[05:40] <canthus13> Unit193: She's installing windows, that's what. :)
[05:40] <Cheri703> first installation: got it installed, working, and started getting strange errors when installing xerox software (the whole reason this is getting set up), install 2: I don't remember what went wrong, it was stupid and freaked out, install 3: the recovery partition was assigned as c drive and was making things screwy. over ALL of these, I'm having great difficulty finding xp drivers, because dell only provides vista and win7 ones
[05:40] <Cheri703> and I'm supposed to be giving this to my boss at 9am >.<
[05:41] <Cheri703> might just email her and tell her I'll deliver it to the chick when it's done
[05:43] <Unit193> Cheri703: Hate to be a pain again... I'm guessing you entered the service tag on support.dell.com?
[05:44] <Cheri703> yeah, it wants to give me vista and 7 drivers because this model never shipped with xp
[05:45] <Unit193> I'll have to reinstall XP on some computer that went crazy (explorer shell wont even work) I hate the backup process... some 45min (3+GB) audacity files...
[05:45] <Cheri703> yeah, backing up sucks
[05:47] <Cheri703> going to try to fix the most recent one instead of reinstalling, we'll see
[05:49] <Unit193> I'm procrasting installing it due in part to the backup and the comp sorta works with an alt shell (network won't work at all)
[05:49] <Cheri703> ah, nice
[05:50] <Cheri703> what time to you have to be up in the morning?
[05:50] <Unit193> uhhh.... I should be up before I am...
[05:50] <Unit193> Why do you ask?
[05:51] <Cheri703> woo, 3rd install is (seemingly) salvageable!
[05:51] <Cheri703> just curious, I always stayed up too late when I was in school
[05:51] <Cheri703> and for the record, OMFG I HATE DELL
[05:53] <Unit193> I have had mostly good luck with Dell.... and the HPs lasted forever (still have a Win98 running Lubuntu)
[05:53]  * Cheri703 doesn't really like hp, but mostly because of their shady printer practices
[05:56] <Unit193> I guess Thurs won't work :(
[05:57] <Cheri703> oh?
[05:57] <Unit193> I have no idea why...
[05:57] <Cheri703> ok, we can look at friday. not sure what my schedule will be like. saturday I have to go to cbus in the morning
[05:58] <Unit193> Are you sure you have time? Friday looks good to me...
[05:59] <Cheri703> that should probably work. like I said, not sure exactly what time, but I should know closer to it
[06:03] <Unit193> If I can help with any comp things I'm originally from the win world (starting to really love the terminal)
[06:04] <Cheri703> I appreciate that
[06:04] <Cheri703> I think I'm getting there, just lots of stupid little roadblocks :(
[06:10] <Unit193> You can learn things from win.... how to use a hex editor on exe/dlls, how to edit exe/dll resources, how to control your anger, how to break a eula by just turning the dang thing on....
[06:11] <Cheri703> indeed :)
[06:12] <Cheri703> how many restarts you can physically complete in an hour, how many hours of your life you can waste waiting for useless/ineffective "updates" to run
[06:14] <Unit193> One thing that really got to me: Install updates, reboot "Updates are ready for your computer"!!!!!@! or the auto reboot after updates!!!
[06:15] <Unit193> And I have made a pot of coffee when waiting for a reboot....
[06:15] <Cheri703> heh, yeah
[06:15] <Unit193> grrrrrr.....
[06:16] <Cheri703> ?
[06:16] <Unit193> How slow a reboot.... KUbuntu/UbuntuLM I just sit and wait it's so fast....
[06:17] <Cheri703> ah, yeah
[07:32] <Unit193> Still there? any better luck?
[07:33] <Cheri703> meh, getting there
[07:34] <Cheri703> been running updates for over an hour
[07:34] <Cheri703> I HATE INSTALLING WINDOWS
[07:35] <Unit193> When I do it at the hospital I find it not too hard....
[07:35] <Unit193> Been trying to reconnect to my SSH server for about an hour...
[07:35] <Cheri703> just LONG
[07:35] <Cheri703> it's not hard (generally) just long.
[07:35] <Cheri703> still have to hunt down a wireless driver for this thing
[07:35] <Cheri703> I'm glad I have a nice long ethernet cable in my living room
[07:37] <Unit193> Now I'm port scanning all Ohio embarq IP addresses.... That's why I run three installs at once....
[07:37] <Unit193> to see if the ip changed that is...
[07:37] <Cheri703> which ssh server? at your house or?
[07:38] <Unit193> Kinda... Not my comp but I set it up on one :D
[07:38] <Cheri703> ah
[07:39] <Unit193> 8192 IPs not one of them is right....
[07:40] <Unit193> Comp crash?
[07:40] <Cheri703> very posible
[07:40] <Cheri703> possible
[07:40] <Cheri703> or just shut down for the night
[07:40] <Cheri703> or weekend
[07:41] <Unit193> No, it didn't shutdown....
[07:41] <Unit193> I have VNC on all the Comps there (SSH tunnel)
[07:41] <Cheri703> woo, now onto sp3
[07:41] <Cheri703> where is there?
[07:42] <Unit193> You didn't even have a XP install w/ SP3???
[07:42] <Cheri703> nah, my cd has sp2
[07:42] <Unit193> Dell reinstall disk right? (I have tons of SP3 ones)
[07:43] <Cheri703> it's a dell xp version that is........shall we say "unofficial"?
[07:43] <Cheri703> probably could find an updated one online
[07:43] <Cheri703> just haven't looked
[07:44] <Unit193> Let me guess, your boss would be ok with that... new girl, that's very good?
[07:45] <Cheri703> ?
[07:46] <Unit193> new employee?
[07:47] <Cheri703> there are 2 new employees, a young guy and an older woman, this computer is for one of them
[07:59] <Cheri703> meh I hate windows a bunch
[08:00] <Unit193> Your using XP.... I have to use Vista randomly....
[08:00] <Cheri703> vista is even worse
[08:01] <Unit193> THAT is my point! I HATE IT!
[08:02] <Cheri703> yeah
[08:02] <Cheri703> I've had (luckily) few encounters with it through work, and they've been memorable and horrible
[08:04] <Unit193> Better yet! I had to use it with Norton!! dual core 3GHz processor and our home comp works faster...
[08:04] <Cheri703> ew
[08:06] <Unit193> Thank you! some person LIKES NIS (Norton Internet Security)
[08:06] <Cheri703> -_-
[08:12] <Unit193> You know a good Audio/Video converter? (I use a windows one in wine when I need it)
[08:12] <Cheri703> hmm...not off the top of my head
[08:14] <Unit193> That's all I was asking (off the top of your head) FormatFactory works surprisingly well...
[08:15] <Cheri703> I'll have to take a look
[08:16] <Unit193> Don't bother, it's a Win(e) program....
[08:17] <Cheri703> husband has some conversion to do, he uses windows
[08:21] <Unit193> In that case... It can convert tons of formats A/V and pics (IIRC think mencoder with a GUI)
[08:22] <Cheri703> nice
[08:25] <Unit193> MP4/3GP/MPG/AVI/WMV/FLV/SWF == MP3/WMA/AMR/OGG/AAC/WAV == JPG/BMP/PNG/TIF/ICO/GIF/TGA == Supports RMVB,Watermark, AV Mux == CD/DVD Rip
[08:25] <Cheri703> sweet
[08:26] <Unit193> And works only a bit slower in wine... (did for me anyway)
[08:28] <Cheri703> good to know :)
[08:29] <Unit193> Are you tired or board?
[08:30] <Cheri703> tired and irritated (not at you)
[08:30] <Cheri703> can't find the stupid drivers needed for this computer
[08:31] <Unit193> been there.... done that....
[08:34] <Cheri703> screw this, I'm going to bed
[08:34] <Cheri703> have a good night
[08:34] <Unit193> Sounds like I should have done that....
[13:19] <canthus13> paultag: Yer sh*t's broke, dude.
[14:28] <thafreak> what's that?
[14:56] <thafreak> I think it's a good idea some of these grad students STAY in academics...they wouldn't survive in a world where they actually have to DO stuff
[14:56] <thafreak> I totally want to drop half my group members...
[14:56] <thafreak> They're more of a detriment than anything else...
[14:57] <thafreak> This is why I can never be a manager...I'd never have anyone working for me, the good people cost too much, and I'd just be spending too much time babysitting the rest
[14:57] <thafreak> or be busy firing them
[15:05] <canthus13> }Heh.
[15:05] <canthus13> Oh. his blog.  it's throwing database errors.
[15:10] <_bbb_> tumblr is still down..
[15:10] <canthus13> Yup.
[18:56] <Unit193> paultag: Does the fubuntu-desktop package work on PPC?
[20:24] <paultag> canthus13:I know, fucking tumblr
[20:24] <paultag> Unit193: yes, but you need to rebuild it