[00:00] <jpds> That's probably it.
[00:00] <jpds> I'd file a bug against squid-deb-proxy.
[00:00] <CarlFK> k - thanks.
[00:12] <CarlFK> jpds: squid-deb-proxy or squid-deb-proxy-client?  (I get the error on the client side)
[00:13] <CarlFK> maybe it doesn't matter.  I was going to use apport-cli, but I guess it want's stack dump files
[00:24] <CarlFK> jpds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid-deb-proxy/+bug/686265  anything I should add before I re-image the box?
[00:47] <dooglus> whether I pick 'classic' or 'desktop', I still get the classic gnome-panel type interface
[00:48] <dooglus> any idea what the problem is there?  other users on the same computer can run Unity, but not mine
[00:56] <charlie-tca> dooglus: remove any old .compiz entries and restart
[00:57] <charlie-tca> in your /home/USER
[01:59] <Roey> hi
[01:59] <Roey> I have Capslock mapped to an additional control, keyboard layout switcher mapped to two shift keys pressed together, and repeat delay to 200ms.  I upgraded to the latest PPAs and now these settings no longer seem to be respected, even though they show up as I configured them in System Setting
[01:59] <Roey> PPAs of KDE btw.
[02:08] <dooglus> how can I change the default web browser to be chrome instead of Fx?
[02:08] <dooglus> I've tried, but the dialog seems to be ignored
[02:13] <IdleOne> dooglus: known bug
[02:14] <IdleOne> I don't know the bug number off hand
[03:17] <dooglus> IdleOne: I 'fixed' it by making a script in ~/Bin/firefox which runs chrome...
[03:18] <CarlFK> lol
[04:12] <dooglus> charlie-tca: thanks
[04:14] <dooglus> charlie-tca: I have ~/.compiz/session/ with a pair of files in it - that's all
[04:18] <dooglus> charlie-tca: it made no different.  I don't think compiz is being run at all
[04:26] <dooglus> I removed ~/.compiz completely, but it still runs a regular gnome-session
[09:29] <nperry> morning all o/
[10:46] <reventon_> so do you guys do anything to hunt for bugs? on these new releases?
[10:51] <rork> This is my first time I use an alpha, I intend to just use it a bit, configure it and see what happens/crashes. I succesfully reproduced a bug that also existed in older versions.
[10:52] <Jordan_U> reventon_: There is always System > Administration > System Testing.
[10:52] <CarlFK> I install to a 2nd box, install apps I use and see if they do what I expect
[10:53] <CarlFK> it helps to automate the install
[10:56] <reventon_> Jordan_U: thanks
[10:56] <Jordan_U> reventon_: You're welcome.
[10:56] <reventon_> yeah i've just been using it like a normal machine, but i haven't really noticed anything out of the ordinary
[10:57] <reventon_> at least things that hadn't been reported already
[11:00] <rork> I just filed a bug in KDE I've found to KDE's bugzilla, should I also add it to Launchpad?
[12:04] <reventon_> rork: wait for the KDE people to answer you first
[12:12] <rork> ok, thx
[12:32] <reventon_> interesting, the newest kernel update enabled more resolutions on my vbox installation
[13:19] <kklimonda> hola
[13:20] <nperry> Yo o/
[13:36] <jo-erlend> Seing as Natty uses Unity by default; would it be an idea to make the session choices more visible than they are in current releases, so that the "Classic Ubuntu Desktop" choice is easily noticable?
[13:52] <reventon_> i think it would be harder to make it more noticeable without having to redesign the login
[13:57] <q999> ?how do you autohide panel in natty?
[13:59] <zniavre> via ccsm no?
[14:02] <kklimonda> I don't think you can hide panel - only launcher
[14:02] <zniavre> misunderstanding im sorry
[14:03] <q999> this version must autohide or they just went back 15 years.
[14:04] <kklimonda> in Unity top panel displays application menu, I don't think it makes sense to hide it
[14:04] <kklimonda> but you can ask on #ayatana if there are plans to make it auto hide
[14:04] <q999> i like real estate.
[14:05] <Gullstad> It should least be a possibility.
[14:06] <Gullstad> Freedom of choise.
[14:06] <q999> this seems like an netbook release.
[14:07] <kklimonda> Gullstad: you are free to choose different ui, or even different distribution
[14:07] <q999> going back to 10.10
[14:09] <Gullstad> kklimonda: So this is going to be the standard ubuntu anserw to suggeste features? "You don't have to use ubuntu".
[14:11] <kklimonda> Gullstad: no size fits all
[14:11] <q999> but autohide of panel an issue?
[14:12] <q999> shouldnt be ..should just work.
[14:12] <kklimonda> q999: not an issue but it may not be something that is going to be implemented in 11.04, or even not something that Unity designers have envisioned.
[14:13] <Gullstad> Sure, but ubuntu now is trying to standarize the desktop to their likings for everybody else. Don't missunderstand. I love the looks of new unity, but still want the possibility to move my dock and hide my panels for screen relesate on my eee
[14:14] <kklimonda> Gullstad: there are no panels - there is a signel panel and launcher, launcher can be set to auto hide. dunno if panel is going to be set. But my point is that the argument "freedom of choice" is a lousy one at best. There has to be someone who has a vision and who sets goals - only because the goal is not the one you like doesn't mean it has to be changed.
[14:15] <q999> seems like they knew from what i read,takes up three inchs on big screen.
[14:15] <kklimonda> q999: you are talking about launcher, not about the panel
[14:15] <q999> right that too
[14:16] <Gullstad> kklimonda: I'm not talking about chaning the default, just options so everybody could customise it in their way to hit a broader autiance.
[14:16] <kklimonda> Gullstad: all options come with a hidden costs
[14:17] <kklimonda> Gullstad: more code to support them - more developers to write it, more testers to test it, more bugs for users
[14:19] <Gullstad> I'm exited to see how it pans out, but this release is going to make or break it for Ubuntu. Exiting one.
[14:19] <kklimonda> meh, not this one
[14:19] <kklimonda> the one that will make or break it is the next LTS
[14:20] <q999> another thing that i dislike,(since I'm A Righty) is the relocation of the max /min /close windows frome the right to the left...apple style,,and ,I hate Apple......
[14:20] <Gullstad> The whole UI is beeing revamped. I don't think the users are going to stick around unitll next LTS if it's disliked.
[14:20] <kklimonda> q999: it fits unity really well
[14:21] <q999> trying to follow apple bites.
[14:21] <kklimonda> q999: it's not following apple, button on the left fits unity when windows are maximized
[14:21] <Gullstad> Apple is nice-looking. Trying to match it's design is a pretty good idea.
[14:22] <q999> no..
[14:22] <kklimonda> Gullstad: we are still at the point where most Ubuntu users are adventurous
[14:22] <q999> its a lefties ,,,,closed garden.
[14:23] <kklimonda> Gullstad: most of them are just going to switch to the Classic GNOME if they dislike new Unity (which is not going to be completely ready by 11.04 release)
[14:23] <q999> ubuntu is better than that.
[14:23] <Gullstad> kklimonda: You think people are going to switch to classig gnome and just wait for it to dissapair in the next release?
[14:23] <kklimonda> Gullstad: yes
[14:23] <q999> yes so far natty  has issues.
[14:23] <kklimonda> Gullstad: or to GNOME Shell, or to KDE
[14:24] <kklimonda> Gullstad: we still haven't reached the point where most people don't know what system they have installed
[14:24] <kklimonda> Gullstad: up until then we can test new stuff and make it better.
[14:25] <kklimonda> Gullstad: a lot of people are still using LTS, I'd actually be happy if they stayed at the last LTS and then made an upgrade to the next one.
[14:26] <q999> have 2 boxes running 10.04 love it.
[14:27] <reventon_> test
[14:29] <q999> thanks anyway ......I'm gone.
[14:29] <Gullstad> kklimonda: Maybe there should be a ad for it. "New ubuntu! Don't upgrade."
[14:33] <kklimonda> Gullstad: that wouldn't make sense, most of people want to run the newest and shiniest
[14:33] <kklimonda> and we need testers ;)
[14:34] <h3sp4wn> Is anyone using the natty kernel under xen domU
[14:35] <h3sp4wn> (I am still using the amazon one from 10.04 past experience with xen ubuntu has sucked)
[14:36] <kklimonda> no, but I use a 10.04 kernel under xen domU and it works fine
[14:41] <h3sp4wn> kklimonda: Which one (I use vmlinuz-2.6.32-310-ec2)
[14:41] <kklimonda> 2.6.32-25-generic-pae
[14:43] <h3sp4wn> Does the config look more sensible ? (I have compared the one I am using to quite a few from citrix's XCP (Xen cloud platform) and it seems like its not optimal - perhaps with ec2 based on xen 3.0.3 that effects it but I use a 4.0.1 dom0
[15:31] <reventon_> are there settings that can be adjusted with regards to scrolling? as of the latest batch of updates (today) i can no longer scroll side to side on my trackpad
[15:31] <reventon_> i'm on a macbook pro running 11.04 in vbox. i was able to scroll sideways as of yesterday
[16:43] <Volkodav>  xfce is all crooked
[16:43] <Volkodav> almost unusable with or without compiz
[16:49] <charlie-tca> Volkodav: xubuntu or Ubuntu with Xfce added?
[16:49] <Volkodav> Ubuntu with Xfce added
[16:50] <Volkodav> icons are invisible on the panel with compiz - with compiz off stays the same
[16:50] <Volkodav> can not change fonts or appearance etc
[16:51] <Volkodav> stuck on 1 theme with default fonts etc
[16:51] <Volkodav> the list is long
[16:56] <Volkodav> I understand they rewrote panel and other stuff
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Sorry. Xubuntu broke it
[16:57] <charlie-tca> We are merging the xfce4.8 changes, and the panel plugins have to be re-written to work now
[16:57] <charlie-tca> Not sure if it will work later even with compiz now
[16:57] <Volkodav> I noticed the list shrinked
[16:58] <Volkodav> well hanging in gnome for now
[16:58] <charlie-tca> yes, it is actively being worked
[16:58] <Volkodav> that's good news
[16:58] <Volkodav> xfce has been my DE choice for years
[16:58] <Volkodav> used to it
[17:00] <charlie-tca> I haven't tried the image today, but I am running xubuntu Natty which I upgraded from maverick.
[17:00] <charlie-tca> Only a few of the plugins are working
[17:00] <Volkodav> i just logged out with all those comments
[17:14] <smoser> anyone else having issues with mumble ?
[17:15] <smoser> i cannot hear others. I can talk, and others can hear me, but I cannot hear you.  I don't see their "lips move" either, and many other sound apps (rhythmbox, mplayer, mpg321) play sound fine
[17:16] <smoser> seems that either a.) defening, then undeafening myself or b.) just opening up the audio wizard, and switching something and then switching it back.
[17:17] <smoser> fixed it.
[17:57] <yaaar> howdy
[17:57] <yaaar> little confused here...do i need a 100-min CD to try this alpha out?
[17:59] <yaaar> trying to burn natty-desktop-amd64.iso and it says it's too big even with overburn on. the file is 723MB
[18:00] <yaaar> looks like the i386 one is 717...wonder if that'll squeeze in with overburn
[18:00] <h3sp4wn> What are you using to burn it ?
[18:01] <yaaar> i right-clicked the file and hit 'write to disc' on my 10.04 desktop...not sure what program that runs...didn't see anything obvious from ps waux
[18:01] <h3sp4wn> Try cdrecord command line (you probably have to compile it but its not difficult) http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html
[18:02] <h3sp4wn> (wodim or whatever the fork of cdrecord is called is crap)
[18:02] <yaaar> doesn't this gnome thing just frontend that?
[18:02] <h3sp4wn> They forked it without thinking about whether they could maintain it properly
[18:02] <h3sp4wn> (it might use something else)
[18:02] <yaaar> ah. i see...apt-get tries to install wodim if you ask it for cdrecord
[18:03] <charlie-tca> Being they are oversize at this time, you can burn them to dvd or use a usb drive.
[18:03] <IdleOne> gnomebaker works fine
[18:04] <yaaar> k
[18:04] <IdleOne> brasero should do the job as well, but yeah the iso's are a little big see charlie-tca ^^
[18:05] <yaaar> trying with brasero
[18:05] <yaaar> i've got some dvds here, so if it comes to that no big deal
[18:17] <yaaar> ok wtf. i told brasero to burn that iso file and it wrote a disc....way too fast...and then on further inspection it had burned a completely different iso file (FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-AMD64-bootonly.iso ...in the same directoy) from the one i had selected. figured i was just stupid and chose the wrong one, so i went into gnomebaker and chose the natty iso (made POSITIVE this time I had the...
[18:17] <yaaar> ...right file) and it did it again!
[18:17] <yaaar> why on earth would it do that?
[18:19] <h3sp4wn> maybe god's telling you something
[18:19] <yaaar> that i should run freebsd?
[18:20] <coz_> yaaar,  I have had very little success with brasero
[18:20] <coz_> yaaar,  I suggest gnomebaker...its far more reliable
[18:20] <yaaar> this last attempt was with gnomebaker
[18:20] <h3sp4wn> yaaar:  (Failing a good reason why not I would) unfortunately I have a good reason why not
[18:20] <coz_> yaaar, ooo
[18:20] <coz_> yaaar, are you burning the daily build?
[18:21] <Volkodav>  just do DVD
[18:21] <yaaar> coz_: i downloaded it last night from the link in the topic
[18:21] <yaaar> i think that's just alpha 1 not the daily
[18:21] <h3sp4wn> yaaar: Use netboot/mini.iso
[18:21] <h3sp4wn> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[18:22] <yaaar> h3sp4wn: yeah that's probably a good idea. but i sure would like to know why these burning programs decided to burn a completely different iso from the one i told them to burn...
[18:25] <coz_> yaaar, I would also suggest burning at 1x
[18:29] <yaaar> i guess i don't see what the burn speed has to do with it choosing the wrong file to burn
[18:30] <coz_> yaaar, choosing the wrong file to burn is on your end...burning at 1x will give the best results
[18:30] <h3sp4wn> I usually burn at 4x (some drives don't support 1x anymore)
[18:31] <yaaar> coz_: oh i see, you just figure i don't know what i'm talking about. fair enough, but i've tested it more than once. if you like i can shoot video and put it on my webserver so you can watch me choose the right file and watch it burn the wrong one
[18:32] <coz_> yaaar,  no no offense meant at all
[18:32] <coz_> yaaar,  I am actuallly trying to work on 5 channels...download iso's  and burn then all at once...so i was just trying to pitch in here ..sorry if you were offended
[18:43] <yaaar> coz_: no worries...i actually thought about shooting the video before saying anything, because honestly it does sound kinda ridiculous
[19:12] <charlie-tca> yaaar: what about copying or moving that iso to an empty directory to see what happens?
[19:17] <CarlFK> yaaar: md5sum the 2 .iso s - maybe you made a copy or something
[19:32] <frewsxcv> why is gnome-mplayer in muliverse?
[19:33] <Pici> frewsxcv: It doesn't look like its actually part of GNOME at all, just named like it.  http://sites.google.com/site/kdekorte2/gnomemplayer
[19:34] <h3sp4wn> anything using mplayer potentially has patent issues
[19:35] <frewsxcv> h3sp4wn: mplayer was moved to universe recently
[19:36] <frewsxcv> Pici: i'm aware, but that shouldn't be a reason for it to be in multiverse
[19:36] <h3sp4wn> frewsxcv: where is mencoder ?
[19:37] <Pici> frewsxcv: gnome-mplayer has been in multiverse since hardy...
[19:37] <h3sp4wn> I prefer mplayer/mencoder/ffmpeg compiled with icc so cannot use packages
[19:37] <frewsxcv> h3sp4wn: universe
[19:38] <frewsxcv> Pici: what's your point?
[19:38] <h3sp4wn> Interesting guess they no longer care about patents (probably a good thing at least for me)
[19:38] <Pici> frewsxcv: I assumed since you're asking in #ubuntu+1 that this was a new change in Natty.
[19:38] <frewsxcv> in maverick, mencoder was moved universe from multiverse
[19:39] <frewsxcv> i'm on the fluxbuntu team
[19:40] <frewsxcv> and we're trying to include mplayer-gnome in natty, but it appears to still be in multiverse
[19:41] <h3sp4wn> A fluxbox user would not bother about an mplayer gui surely
[19:41] <frewsxcv> if you have a comment about our software choices, that is a different discussion
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> So you choose not to distribute from anything other than main and universe ?
[19:43] <h3sp4wn> Or is that a policy of some sort
[19:45] <yofel> frewsxcv: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-motu about this, they might know more
[19:46] <frewsxcv> yofel: thanks
[20:06] <DrHalan> hey
[20:06] <DrHalan> hows natty evolving?
[20:07] <yaaar> charlie-tca: that's exactly what i eventually did; i moved the natty iso to a different directory that didn't have anything else in it. after that gnomebaker burned it without complaint. weird.
[20:08] <yaaar> CarlFK: i didn't md5 them, but one is 45MB and the other 723, so pretty sure they aren't the same
[20:10] <charlie-tca> yaaar: glad to hear it worked. Sometimes strange things happen
[20:23] <CarlFK> yaaar: good point.
[20:34] <yofel> micahg: any reason why the mozilla daily ppa builds 3.6 dailies of firefox for natty instead of 4? That's somewhat... useless
[21:14] <Roey> Hey all, I have Capslock mapped to an additional control, keyboard layout switcher mapped to two shift keys pressed together, and repeat delay to 200ms.  I upgraded to the latest PPAs and now these settings no longer seem to be respected, even though they show up as I configured them in System Setting
[21:14] <Roey> what vies?
[21:14] <Roey> this is Kubuntu 10.10 bvtw
[21:14] <Roey> btw
[21:15] <Volkodav>  ppa's are blocked every update IIRC
[21:16] <Volkodav> upgrade rather*
[21:16] <yofel> Roey: this is 11.04 support, 10.10 support is in #kubuntu
[21:17] <Roey> right, but they asked me to come here.
[21:17] <Volkodav> yofer what's up
[21:17] <Volkodav> yofel: *
[21:17] <Roey> Volkodav:  what do you mean they're blocked every upate?
[21:17] <h3sp4wn> Roey: How are you mapping it ? xmodmap ?
[21:18] <Volkodav> that was happening in 10.10 alphas and betas
[21:18] <yofel> Roey: blocked on 10.10 -> 11.04 upgrade, which was what he assumed you had done
[21:18] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  through KDE keyboard settings
[21:18] <h3sp4wn> Roey: You might find it easier just swapping them
[21:18] <Roey> h3sp4wn:  through xmodmap?
[21:18] <Roey> maybe
[21:18] <Roey> thanks
[21:18] <yofel> Volkodav: being busy a bit with packaging currently, but other than that fine, kubuntu 11.04 works better than expected
[21:19] <Volkodav> same as ubuntu - but I could not get the hang of Unity
[21:20]  * Volkodav back to gnome waiting for xfce to be fixed
[21:20] <Roey> see that's the thing that made me write off gnome... the developers keep promising that something will be fixed or othewise re-architected  by the next mythical release
[21:22] <Volkodav> I can't find ppa for qmmp for natty
[21:23] <Volkodav> the only player capable of wavpack and FLac in one file that will see the tags right
[23:32] <c0nsumer_> hello! why the version 11.04 will use unity interface? its better for gnome?
[23:32] <c0nsumer_> and unity is developed by canonical?
[23:33] <yofel> first: not sure, and unity is developed by canonical
[23:33]  * yofel uses kde and doesn't care
[23:33] <skrewler> who cares, you can change it to whatever you want
[23:34] <c0nsumer_> but why the canonical prefet change default interface to unty?
[23:34] <charlie-tca> being used for better user experience when using both netbook and larger screen systems. Keeps them the same
[23:34]  * Volkodav uses xfce and does not care
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> what's the right way to update?
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> so far I do sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[23:34] <alex_mayorga> is that fine?
[23:35] <c0nsumer_> i'm installing the Natty on VirtualBox to test this.
[23:35] <charlie-tca> that is fine for safely upgrading. I use dist-upgrade so I don't have things sitting that should have upgraded
[23:35] <charlie-tca> c0nsumer_: you do know unity won't work in VBox, right?
[23:35] <yofel> alex_mayorga: yes, but that doesn't remove conflicting packages, use full-upgrade too frome time to time
[23:36] <yofel> (or apt-get dist-upgrade)
[23:36] <c0nsumer_> no! O_o
[23:36] <breadcrumb> why doesnt it work in vbox
[23:36] <c0nsumer_> really?
[23:36] <alex_mayorga> yofel: thanks
[23:36] <yofel> breadcrumb: needs 3D support
[23:36] <skrewler> n
[23:36] <yofel> which most VMs don't have
[23:37] <breadcrumb> umm.. vbox has 3d support, at least opengl?
[23:37] <breadcrumb> you can enable compiz effects in an ubuntu virtualbox machine
[23:37] <yofel> breadcrumb: not the -ose version afaik
[23:37] <breadcrumb> oh
[23:37] <yofel> I could be wrong though
[23:37] <yofel> I'm at least certain that KVM has no opengl support
[23:38] <yofel> which is what I usually use
[23:41] <c0nsumer_> so, abort my installation on Vbox
[23:41] <c0nsumer_> ?
[23:43] <c0nsumer_> ??
[23:45] <charlie-tca> I am pretty sure VBox won't work with unity. It will only work with the "classic desktop" session, which is gnome
[23:45] <charlie-tca> At least, it would not work in any virtual machines during alpha1 testing
[23:47] <Sir_Konrad> charlie-tca, why do you think that is?
[23:47] <charlie-tca> either no 3d or no OpenGL support
[23:47]  * yofel wonders what kind of user experience it is supposed to be that nvidia users first have to run classic -> install nvidia driver -> switch to unity
[23:47] <yofel> that'll at least make auto-login impossible
[23:47] <charlie-tca> It's a fun experience
[23:48] <charlie-tca> yes, auto-login makes it much more fun!
[23:49] <yofel> heh