[00:00] That's probably it. [00:00] I'd file a bug against squid-deb-proxy. [00:00] k - thanks. [00:12] jpds: squid-deb-proxy or squid-deb-proxy-client? (I get the error on the client side) [00:13] maybe it doesn't matter. I was going to use apport-cli, but I guess it want's stack dump files [00:24] jpds: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid-deb-proxy/+bug/686265 anything I should add before I re-image the box? [00:24] Ubuntu bug 686265 in squid-deb-proxy (Ubuntu) "client doing wicked ipv6 stuff and failing" [Undecided,New] [00:47] whether I pick 'classic' or 'desktop', I still get the classic gnome-panel type interface [00:48] any idea what the problem is there? other users on the same computer can run Unity, but not mine [00:56] dooglus: remove any old .compiz entries and restart [00:57] in your /home/USER [01:59] hi [01:59] I have Capslock mapped to an additional control, keyboard layout switcher mapped to two shift keys pressed together, and repeat delay to 200ms. I upgraded to the latest PPAs and now these settings no longer seem to be respected, even though they show up as I configured them in System Setting [01:59] PPAs of KDE btw. [02:08] how can I change the default web browser to be chrome instead of Fx? [02:08] I've tried, but the dialog seems to be ignored [02:13] dooglus: known bug [02:14] I don't know the bug number off hand === yofel_ is now known as yofel === AndrewMC is now known as SpockVulcan [03:17] IdleOne: I 'fixed' it by making a script in ~/Bin/firefox which runs chrome... [03:18] lol === SpockVulcan is now known as AndrewMC [04:12] charlie-tca: thanks [04:14] charlie-tca: I have ~/.compiz/session/ with a pair of files in it - that's all [04:18] charlie-tca: it made no different. I don't think compiz is being run at all [04:26] I removed ~/.compiz completely, but it still runs a regular gnome-session === zniavre__ is now known as zniavre [09:29] morning all o/ [10:46] so do you guys do anything to hunt for bugs? on these new releases? [10:51] This is my first time I use an alpha, I intend to just use it a bit, configure it and see what happens/crashes. I succesfully reproduced a bug that also existed in older versions. [10:52] reventon_: There is always System > Administration > System Testing. [10:52] I install to a 2nd box, install apps I use and see if they do what I expect [10:53] it helps to automate the install [10:56] Jordan_U: thanks [10:56] reventon_: You're welcome. [10:56] yeah i've just been using it like a normal machine, but i haven't really noticed anything out of the ordinary [10:57] at least things that hadn't been reported already [11:00] I just filed a bug in KDE I've found to KDE's bugzilla, should I also add it to Launchpad? === IAmNotThatGuy is now known as Mohan_chml [12:04] rork: wait for the KDE people to answer you first [12:12] ok, thx [12:32] interesting, the newest kernel update enabled more resolutions on my vbox installation [13:19] hola [13:20] Yo o/ [13:36] Seing as Natty uses Unity by default; would it be an idea to make the session choices more visible than they are in current releases, so that the "Classic Ubuntu Desktop" choice is easily noticable? [13:52] i think it would be harder to make it more noticeable without having to redesign the login [13:57] ?how do you autohide panel in natty? [13:59] via ccsm no? [14:02] I don't think you can hide panel - only launcher [14:02] misunderstanding im sorry [14:03] this version must autohide or they just went back 15 years. [14:04] in Unity top panel displays application menu, I don't think it makes sense to hide it [14:04] but you can ask on #ayatana if there are plans to make it auto hide [14:04] i like real estate. [14:05] It should least be a possibility. [14:06] Freedom of choise. [14:06] this seems like an netbook release. [14:07] Gullstad: you are free to choose different ui, or even different distribution [14:07] going back to 10.10 [14:09] kklimonda: So this is going to be the standard ubuntu anserw to suggeste features? "You don't have to use ubuntu". [14:11] Gullstad: no size fits all [14:11] but autohide of panel an issue? [14:12] shouldnt be ..should just work. [14:12] q999: not an issue but it may not be something that is going to be implemented in 11.04, or even not something that Unity designers have envisioned. [14:13] Sure, but ubuntu now is trying to standarize the desktop to their likings for everybody else. Don't missunderstand. I love the looks of new unity, but still want the possibility to move my dock and hide my panels for screen relesate on my eee [14:14] Gullstad: there are no panels - there is a signel panel and launcher, launcher can be set to auto hide. dunno if panel is going to be set. But my point is that the argument "freedom of choice" is a lousy one at best. There has to be someone who has a vision and who sets goals - only because the goal is not the one you like doesn't mean it has to be changed. [14:15] seems like they knew from what i read,takes up three inchs on big screen. [14:15] q999: you are talking about launcher, not about the panel [14:15] right that too [14:16] kklimonda: I'm not talking about chaning the default, just options so everybody could customise it in their way to hit a broader autiance. [14:16] Gullstad: all options come with a hidden costs [14:17] Gullstad: more code to support them - more developers to write it, more testers to test it, more bugs for users [14:19] I'm exited to see how it pans out, but this release is going to make or break it for Ubuntu. Exiting one. [14:19] meh, not this one [14:19] the one that will make or break it is the next LTS [14:20] another thing that i dislike,(since I'm A Righty) is the relocation of the max /min /close windows frome the right to the left...apple style,,and ,I hate Apple...... [14:20] The whole UI is beeing revamped. I don't think the users are going to stick around unitll next LTS if it's disliked. [14:20] q999: it fits unity really well [14:21] trying to follow apple bites. [14:21] q999: it's not following apple, button on the left fits unity when windows are maximized [14:21] Apple is nice-looking. Trying to match it's design is a pretty good idea. [14:22] no.. [14:22] Gullstad: we are still at the point where most Ubuntu users are adventurous [14:22] its a lefties ,,,,closed garden. [14:23] Gullstad: most of them are just going to switch to the Classic GNOME if they dislike new Unity (which is not going to be completely ready by 11.04 release) [14:23] ubuntu is better than that. [14:23] kklimonda: You think people are going to switch to classig gnome and just wait for it to dissapair in the next release? [14:23] Gullstad: yes [14:23] yes so far natty has issues. [14:23] Gullstad: or to GNOME Shell, or to KDE [14:24] Gullstad: we still haven't reached the point where most people don't know what system they have installed [14:24] Gullstad: up until then we can test new stuff and make it better. [14:25] Gullstad: a lot of people are still using LTS, I'd actually be happy if they stayed at the last LTS and then made an upgrade to the next one. [14:26] have 2 boxes running 10.04 love it. [14:27] test [14:29] thanks anyway ......I'm gone. [14:29] kklimonda: Maybe there should be a ad for it. "New ubuntu! Don't upgrade." [14:33] Gullstad: that wouldn't make sense, most of people want to run the newest and shiniest [14:33] and we need testers ;) [14:34] Is anyone using the natty kernel under xen domU [14:35] (I am still using the amazon one from 10.04 past experience with xen ubuntu has sucked) [14:36] no, but I use a 10.04 kernel under xen domU and it works fine [14:41] kklimonda: Which one (I use vmlinuz-2.6.32-310-ec2) [14:41] 2.6.32-25-generic-pae [14:43] Does the config look more sensible ? (I have compared the one I am using to quite a few from citrix's XCP (Xen cloud platform) and it seems like its not optimal - perhaps with ec2 based on xen 3.0.3 that effects it but I use a 4.0.1 dom0 [15:31] are there settings that can be adjusted with regards to scrolling? as of the latest batch of updates (today) i can no longer scroll side to side on my trackpad [15:31] i'm on a macbook pro running 11.04 in vbox. i was able to scroll sideways as of yesterday [16:43] xfce is all crooked [16:43] almost unusable with or without compiz [16:49] Volkodav: xubuntu or Ubuntu with Xfce added? [16:49] Ubuntu with Xfce added [16:50] icons are invisible on the panel with compiz - with compiz off stays the same [16:50] can not change fonts or appearance etc [16:51] stuck on 1 theme with default fonts etc [16:51] the list is long [16:56] I understand they rewrote panel and other stuff [16:57] Sorry. Xubuntu broke it [16:57] We are merging the xfce4.8 changes, and the panel plugins have to be re-written to work now [16:57] Not sure if it will work later even with compiz now [16:57] I noticed the list shrinked [16:58] well hanging in gnome for now [16:58] yes, it is actively being worked [16:58] that's good news [16:58] xfce has been my DE choice for years [16:58] used to it [17:00] I haven't tried the image today, but I am running xubuntu Natty which I upgraded from maverick. [17:00] Only a few of the plugins are working [17:00] i just logged out with all those comments [17:14] anyone else having issues with mumble ? [17:15] i cannot hear others. I can talk, and others can hear me, but I cannot hear you. I don't see their "lips move" either, and many other sound apps (rhythmbox, mplayer, mpg321) play sound fine [17:16] seems that either a.) defening, then undeafening myself or b.) just opening up the audio wizard, and switching something and then switching it back. [17:17] fixed it. [17:57] howdy [17:57] little confused here...do i need a 100-min CD to try this alpha out? [17:59] trying to burn natty-desktop-amd64.iso and it says it's too big even with overburn on. the file is 723MB [18:00] looks like the i386 one is 717...wonder if that'll squeeze in with overburn [18:00] What are you using to burn it ? [18:01] i right-clicked the file and hit 'write to disc' on my 10.04 desktop...not sure what program that runs...didn't see anything obvious from ps waux [18:01] Try cdrecord command line (you probably have to compile it but its not difficult) http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/cdrecord.html [18:02] (wodim or whatever the fork of cdrecord is called is crap) [18:02] doesn't this gnome thing just frontend that? [18:02] They forked it without thinking about whether they could maintain it properly [18:02] (it might use something else) [18:02] ah. i see...apt-get tries to install wodim if you ask it for cdrecord [18:03] Being they are oversize at this time, you can burn them to dvd or use a usb drive. [18:03] gnomebaker works fine [18:04] k [18:04] brasero should do the job as well, but yeah the iso's are a little big see charlie-tca ^^ [18:05] trying with brasero [18:05] i've got some dvds here, so if it comes to that no big deal [18:17] ok wtf. i told brasero to burn that iso file and it wrote a disc....way too fast...and then on further inspection it had burned a completely different iso file (FreeBSD-8.1-RELEASE-AMD64-bootonly.iso ...in the same directoy) from the one i had selected. figured i was just stupid and chose the wrong one, so i went into gnomebaker and chose the natty iso (made POSITIVE this time I had the... [18:17] ...right file) and it did it again! [18:17] why on earth would it do that? [18:19] maybe god's telling you something [18:19] that i should run freebsd? [18:20] yaaar, I have had very little success with brasero [18:20] yaaar, I suggest gnomebaker...its far more reliable [18:20] this last attempt was with gnomebaker [18:20] yaaar: (Failing a good reason why not I would) unfortunately I have a good reason why not [18:20] yaaar, ooo [18:20] yaaar, are you burning the daily build? [18:21] just do DVD [18:21] coz_: i downloaded it last night from the link in the topic [18:21] i think that's just alpha 1 not the daily [18:21] yaaar: Use netboot/mini.iso [18:21] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/natty/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso [18:22] h3sp4wn: yeah that's probably a good idea. but i sure would like to know why these burning programs decided to burn a completely different iso from the one i told them to burn... [18:25] yaaar, I would also suggest burning at 1x [18:29] i guess i don't see what the burn speed has to do with it choosing the wrong file to burn [18:30] yaaar, choosing the wrong file to burn is on your end...burning at 1x will give the best results [18:30] I usually burn at 4x (some drives don't support 1x anymore) [18:31] coz_: oh i see, you just figure i don't know what i'm talking about. fair enough, but i've tested it more than once. if you like i can shoot video and put it on my webserver so you can watch me choose the right file and watch it burn the wrong one [18:32] yaaar, no no offense meant at all [18:32] yaaar, I am actuallly trying to work on 5 channels...download iso's and burn then all at once...so i was just trying to pitch in here ..sorry if you were offended [18:43] coz_: no worries...i actually thought about shooting the video before saying anything, because honestly it does sound kinda ridiculous [19:12] yaaar: what about copying or moving that iso to an empty directory to see what happens? [19:17] yaaar: md5sum the 2 .iso s - maybe you made a copy or something [19:32] why is gnome-mplayer in muliverse? [19:33] frewsxcv: It doesn't look like its actually part of GNOME at all, just named like it. http://sites.google.com/site/kdekorte2/gnomemplayer [19:34] anything using mplayer potentially has patent issues [19:35] h3sp4wn: mplayer was moved to universe recently [19:36] Pici: i'm aware, but that shouldn't be a reason for it to be in multiverse [19:36] frewsxcv: where is mencoder ? [19:37] frewsxcv: gnome-mplayer has been in multiverse since hardy... [19:37] I prefer mplayer/mencoder/ffmpeg compiled with icc so cannot use packages [19:37] h3sp4wn: universe [19:38] Pici: what's your point? [19:38] Interesting guess they no longer care about patents (probably a good thing at least for me) [19:38] frewsxcv: I assumed since you're asking in #ubuntu+1 that this was a new change in Natty. [19:38] in maverick, mencoder was moved universe from multiverse [19:39] i'm on the fluxbuntu team [19:40] and we're trying to include mplayer-gnome in natty, but it appears to still be in multiverse [19:41] A fluxbox user would not bother about an mplayer gui surely [19:41] if you have a comment about our software choices, that is a different discussion [19:43] So you choose not to distribute from anything other than main and universe ? [19:43] Or is that a policy of some sort [19:45] frewsxcv: you might want to ask in #ubuntu-motu about this, they might know more [19:46] yofel: thanks [20:06] hey [20:06] hows natty evolving? [20:07] charlie-tca: that's exactly what i eventually did; i moved the natty iso to a different directory that didn't have anything else in it. after that gnomebaker burned it without complaint. weird. [20:08] CarlFK: i didn't md5 them, but one is 45MB and the other 723, so pretty sure they aren't the same [20:10] yaaar: glad to hear it worked. Sometimes strange things happen [20:23] yaaar: good point. [20:34] micahg: any reason why the mozilla daily ppa builds 3.6 dailies of firefox for natty instead of 4? That's somewhat... useless [21:14] Hey all, I have Capslock mapped to an additional control, keyboard layout switcher mapped to two shift keys pressed together, and repeat delay to 200ms. I upgraded to the latest PPAs and now these settings no longer seem to be respected, even though they show up as I configured them in System Setting [21:14] what vies? [21:14] this is Kubuntu 10.10 bvtw [21:14] btw [21:15] ppa's are blocked every update IIRC [21:16] upgrade rather* [21:16] Roey: this is 11.04 support, 10.10 support is in #kubuntu [21:17] right, but they asked me to come here. [21:17] yofer what's up [21:17] yofel: * [21:17] Volkodav: what do you mean they're blocked every upate? [21:17] Roey: How are you mapping it ? xmodmap ? [21:18] that was happening in 10.10 alphas and betas [21:18] Roey: blocked on 10.10 -> 11.04 upgrade, which was what he assumed you had done [21:18] h3sp4wn: through KDE keyboard settings [21:18] Roey: You might find it easier just swapping them [21:18] h3sp4wn: through xmodmap? [21:18] maybe [21:18] thanks [21:18] Volkodav: being busy a bit with packaging currently, but other than that fine, kubuntu 11.04 works better than expected [21:19] same as ubuntu - but I could not get the hang of Unity [21:20] * Volkodav back to gnome waiting for xfce to be fixed [21:20] see that's the thing that made me write off gnome... the developers keep promising that something will be fixed or othewise re-architected by the next mythical release [21:22] I can't find ppa for qmmp for natty [21:23] the only player capable of wavpack and FLac in one file that will see the tags right [23:32] hello! why the version 11.04 will use unity interface? its better for gnome? [23:32] and unity is developed by canonical? [23:33] first: not sure, and unity is developed by canonical [23:33] * yofel uses kde and doesn't care [23:33] who cares, you can change it to whatever you want [23:34] but why the canonical prefet change default interface to unty? [23:34] being used for better user experience when using both netbook and larger screen systems. Keeps them the same [23:34] * Volkodav uses xfce and does not care [23:34] what's the right way to update? [23:34] so far I do sudo aptitude safe-upgrade [23:34] is that fine? [23:35] i'm installing the Natty on VirtualBox to test this. [23:35] that is fine for safely upgrading. I use dist-upgrade so I don't have things sitting that should have upgraded [23:35] c0nsumer_: you do know unity won't work in VBox, right? [23:35] alex_mayorga: yes, but that doesn't remove conflicting packages, use full-upgrade too frome time to time [23:36] (or apt-get dist-upgrade) [23:36] no! O_o [23:36] why doesnt it work in vbox [23:36] really? [23:36] yofel: thanks [23:36] breadcrumb: needs 3D support [23:36] n [23:36] which most VMs don't have [23:37] umm.. vbox has 3d support, at least opengl? [23:37] you can enable compiz effects in an ubuntu virtualbox machine [23:37] breadcrumb: not the -ose version afaik [23:37] oh [23:37] I could be wrong though [23:37] I'm at least certain that KVM has no opengl support [23:38] which is what I usually use [23:41] so, abort my installation on Vbox [23:41] ? [23:43] ?? [23:45] I am pretty sure VBox won't work with unity. It will only work with the "classic desktop" session, which is gnome [23:45] At least, it would not work in any virtual machines during alpha1 testing [23:47] charlie-tca, why do you think that is? [23:47] either no 3d or no OpenGL support [23:47] * yofel wonders what kind of user experience it is supposed to be that nvidia users first have to run classic -> install nvidia driver -> switch to unity [23:47] that'll at least make auto-login impossible [23:47] It's a fun experience [23:48] yes, auto-login makes it much more fun! [23:49] heh