[00:49] nice, only 1 more class to implement for the ffox global menu, then i can finally try and build it :) [00:51] Ooh, nifty. [00:51] I've been wanding a little more vertical space. [00:55] RAOF, https://github.com/alanmcgovern/mono-introspect :) [00:56] I noticed he'd popped into #mono with that. [00:58] Does the lack of a date on the indicator clock applet bug anyone else? [00:58] Amaranth: It bugged me so much I turned it on :) [00:58] Wha? gconf-editor? [00:58] dconf-editor has a check box for it. [00:58] oh, it's already using gsettings? [00:58] Yeah. [00:59] yay, strftime format [01:01] robert_ancell: It looks pretty cool, but doesn't seem to generate code at runtime (which would obviously be cooler ;)) [01:02] RAOF, it's a first step [01:02] Right. [01:03] At the very least it's got a working gir parser :) === asac_ is now known as asac [03:13] hi [05:17] * Amaranth wonders why "can't run compiz" bugs are suddenly getting marked as High [05:17] I would think not being able to run it is much less of an issue compared to "it started and froze" [05:18] The sad thing is I guarantee this bug is going to be compiz crashing or refusing to run because the driver does not work correctly and the guy was using a livecd from before we got the bailer plugin [07:06] good morning [07:47] morning mvo [07:47] mvo, do you have got some minutes to talk about lp:#659438 [07:47] #659438 [08:01] Good morning [08:02] Good morning pitti. [08:04] hey pitti [08:04] pitti: how was your long week-end? :) [08:04] (seems you reconnected yesterday evening though) [08:10] hey didrocks [08:10] didrocks: very nice, thanks! went back to Dresden yesterday [08:11] pitti: how's the weather? [08:11] fortunately I took an early train, the three connections after that got horrible delays due to the new snow [08:11] didrocks: not much different here and there -- cold, and 20 cm snow :) [08:12] 3 connections Munich <-> Dresden? :/ [08:13] hey glatzor! [08:13] didrocks: no, I meant the same connection an hour later (and 2, 3) [08:13] hey glatzor, guten Morgen! [08:13] * pitti waves to mvo [08:13] hey pitti [08:13] pitti: oh ok! :) [08:13] hey mvo [08:14] glatzor: thanks for merging my aptdaemon branch! [08:15] glatzor: thanks for the unittest for this! [08:15] hello pitti! Thanks for your work! [08:15] glatzor: I need to look into the libapt code to see what we can do, either it needs better locking or a way to re-read the required download [08:16] hey didrocks [08:19] mvo, I added a small patch to the bug. It requires a lock on the lists for simulate [08:23] thanks glatzor [08:28] hi, the gnome desktop in natty has been broken for almost a week now, is anyone still caring about that or is unity the only target now?? [08:29] glatzor: do you plan an upload of the new aptdaemon soon? or do you want me or mvo to assist? [08:29] fta2: broken in what way? [08:29] broken = no panel + gnome-keyring-daemon crash [08:29] I have a panel (well, half a panel) [08:29] gnome-session[4777]: WARNING: Unable to find provider '''' of required component 'panel' [08:29] ** (gnome-keyring-daemon:5186): WARNING **: couldn't read 4 bytes from control socket: Connection reset by peer [08:30] happens on several machines [08:30] well, 3 out of 3 [08:30] glatzor: if its ready I'm happy to upload aptadmone, I just need to update s-c to the api changes [08:30] fta2: hmm, seb128 will know, but he is not online :/ [08:31] I only have a crashing windowlist applet [08:32] mvo, i can start the panel manually, but when i do that, apps launched for it appear on a random workspace, instead of on the current one [08:32] mvo, in the 0.4 branch I use lintian optionally to check local package files before installing [08:32] -for+from [08:32] glatzor: nice [08:32] fta2: the applet crashing is a compiz bug worked upstream [08:32] didrocks, metacity here [08:32] mvo, so it should have a recommend or suggest. [08:33] suggests probably [08:33] fta2: ok, not the same issue then… [08:37] just filed bug 686376 [08:37] fta2: Bug 686376 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/686376 is private [08:37] doh === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [08:38] mvo, you want to reduce the default perl stack in ubuntu, right? [08:39] fta2: are you in the gnome classic session? [08:39] glatzor: I think that is pitti goal yes [08:39] glatzor: why? [08:40] well, I don't think we'll get that far [08:40] the discussion with Debian died down [08:40] mvo, because of lintian. perhaps we need a python port :) [08:40] like linda ;) [08:40] glatzor: lintian is not on the desktop CDs, so it can use whatever perl it likes :) [08:41] pitti, but it would be nice to have it on the cd [08:41] glatzor: uh, why? [08:42] pitti, there seem to be quite a range of broken package files arround provided by third party developers. [08:42] well, at some level it would be "nice" to have the complete archive on the CD, but our archive kind of outgrows that :) [08:42] glatzor: well, that should be pulled in by devscripts or quickly or so [08:43] pitti, and people tend to install those. I was pointed to the problem since I assuemed every deb package should have an installed-size field in aptdaemon [08:45] pitti, e.g. the first class client from www.fristclass.com [08:46] glatzor: I'm slightly confused -- what does the installed-size: field have to do with lintian? [08:46] pitti, but the installed-size issue is not the worst one [08:46] that's generated by dpkg-deb, isn't it? [08:46] pitti, installed-size is required by the debian/ubuntu policy [08:46] pitti: apt-get install quickly is already quite scary (300Mb+) but sure, if you need additional dev package to suggest, do not hesitate. I don't think it should be a blocker :) [08:46] glatzor: ah, you mean it's not there in broken .debs [08:46] right [08:46] pitti, right. [08:46] pitti, but there are worse issues [08:47] didrocks: 300 MB? wow, what did you do, install eclipse? :-) [08:47] didrocks: you see that from the wrong angle, try "its 300mb already anyway, one more will not hurt" ;) [08:47] emacs! [08:48] mvo: ah, so is it thmacs now? [08:56] pitti: of course :p no, it's basically devscript with all the dep chain that I should work on (installing postfix and sendmail for instance…) [08:56] mvo: hehe, we use gedit by default :) [09:05] morning [09:20] hello [09:20] salut seb128! ça va ? [09:21] lut didrocks [09:22] oui, some internet issues today I think due to the weather again but seems to be stable now [09:22] didrocks, comment dit on en anglais "lut"? [09:23] hey seb128, didrocks, and471 [09:23] hey rodrigo_ [09:23] seb128, because of the weather? snowstorm? [09:23] hi rodrigo_ [09:23] how are you? had fun during the days off work? ;-) [09:24] and471, lut = salut in short [09:24] seb128, yes, a lot of fun :) [09:24] I guess "hi" for "hello" is the what "lut" is to "salut" [09:24] seb128, ah merci :) [09:24] seb128, and you still pronounce without pronouncing the 't'? [09:24] (like lu) [09:25] seb128: Yeah, it seems you are in a cold area for now. Fun that there is almost no more snow there in the mountains… [09:25] hey rodrigo_! [09:25] and471: we don't pronounce it :) [09:25] didrocks, I thought so :) [09:26] and471, indeed, no "t" pronounced ;-) [09:26] didrocks, seb128, do you use lut in speech as well as written communication? [09:26] no, rather in written way [09:26] ah ok [09:26] good, otherwise I might have said 'lut' to someone and got a funny look back xD [09:27] seb128, didrocks, well thankyou for the french lesson, but now I must go :) [09:27] see ya everyone [09:27] bye [09:35] seb128: silly question, do we have gdbus in natty or is it just too new/changing for that [09:36] mvo, we have it in maverick [09:36] and it's not changing a lot, it's stable since glib 2.26 [09:36] mvo, it's part of glib [09:36] sweet [09:36] thanks [09:36] np [09:36] do you plan to start porting to it? [09:36] or is that for new code? [09:37] new code [09:37] for now, porting maybe later [09:37] update-notifier is using some of the old code [09:38] ok [09:38] seems dx guys have been happy about gdbus so far, let's see if you like it as well [09:39] glatzor: do you plan an upload of the new aptdaemon soon? or do you want me or mvo to assist? [09:39] bonjour seb128 [09:39] hey pitti [09:39] how are you? [09:40] I'm great, thanks! [09:41] seb128: how about you? [09:41] I'm fine thanks [09:46] is LP down? or is it me? [09:46] rodrigo_, wfm [09:47] hmm [09:47] well browsing bugs works [09:47] not sure what part of lp you exerce [09:47] I didn't try to fetch a vcs [09:48] just web, but I see other pages don't work neither, so it's me [09:48] * rodrigo_ restarts router [09:50] pitti, would be nice if you or mvo could make an upload. I am very short on time these days [09:50] glatzor: sure, we just didn't want to step on your toes; we'll handle that [09:50] (it unblocks a language-selector upload) [09:51] mvo: want me to take care of this, or do you want to test the new version a bit more with software-center, etc? [09:51] it seems that software-center crashes right away for me now [09:52] pitti: ok, is the packaging bzr current? then I build a local version and try it out [09:52] mvo: it's not; I can't commit to it [09:52] mvo, afaik you should only need to adapt the commitpackage call. [09:52] mvo: but I'm happy to prepare a branch and update it there [09:53] (unless someone adds me to ~aptdaemon-developers) [09:53] pitti, mvo! see you guys! thanks [09:54] so there goes my question about doing an upstream release 0.41 :) [09:57] pitti: no worries, that is pretty trivial, I test it === rodrigo__ is now known as rodrigo_ [09:57] mvo: for l-s I just set PYTHONPATH to the upstream checkout [09:58] mvo: does the current natty s-c package start for you? it immediately crashes here [09:58] AttributeError: 'Query' object has no attribute 'get_description' [09:59] pitti: *ick* that is a different one, fixed in trunk [09:59] ah, good [09:59] pitti: I upload a new version before lunch [09:59] mvo: hang on [09:59] ok, I lost track of that l-s discussion now [09:59] mvo: if you need to fix something else for aptdaemon 0.41, you better include that as well? [09:59] pitti, thanks for following on it [10:00] seb128: I unsub'ed the sponsors for that reason :) [10:00] pitti: yeah, that is the plan [10:00] pitti: so if its broken anyway currently, just go ahead and upload [10:00] pitti: then I fix the remaining issues in s-c and upload [10:00] mvo: and send you a merge proposal for the branch? [10:00] sounds good [10:00] glatzor should just add you to the team [10:00] mvo: would you consider doing an official 0.41 upstream release? [10:01] or should I do a 0.40+bzr snapshot for now? [10:01] pitti: 0.40+bzr for now [10:01] ack [10:01] pitti: glatzor is handling the releases so far [10:01] alright [10:01] thanks! [10:12] pitti: let me know if you run into any issues, you probably need to adept some patches for the 0.40+bzr release [10:12] mvo: right, but no hard problems so far [10:13] great [10:13] pitti: could you move to dh_python2 as well while at it? [10:13] mvo: sure [10:14] mvo: I also wanted to move to 3.0 (quilt), and make a few other policy updates; ok? [10:14] nevermind, it's already 3.0 [10:15] re [10:15] pitti, don't forget about the meeting reminder [10:15] seb128: cheers [10:15] it's my weekly reminder about the reminder :p [10:17] * pitti hugs seb128 [10:17] * seb128 hugs pitti [10:17] seb128: do you have someone to remind you of it? [10:18] no, but I should ask didrocks to remind me if I forget to remind you! [10:18] ;-) [10:20] we just need to extend that chain so that we close them on both ends [10:21] * didrocks is the reminder of the reminder :) [10:23] mvo: I've just pushed some nice community work in software-properties trunk (for add-apt-repository). Maybe that can wait and don't worth an upload right now or do you think it's better to upload right away? [10:25] didrocks: looks good, just upload [10:25] ah, didrocks is patch pilot *hug* [10:26] * didrocks hugs pitti back [10:26] mvo: ok, thanks :) [10:43] mvo: ok, works wonderfully here; shall I just upload, and you pull lp:~pitti/aptdaemon/040-update into lp:~aptdaemon-developers/aptdaemon/ubuntu-natty ? or do you want to review the changes first? [10:43] ah, you already said, nevermind [10:46] mvo: https://code.launchpad.net/~pitti/aptdaemon/040-update/+merge/42921 [10:46] mvo: perhaps you want to pull instead of merge, to keep the individual history [10:47] pitti: thanks, I merged and updated the location in .bzr-builddeb/defaults.conf too [10:47] mvo: ah, nice [10:48] * pitti uploads his gtk3ized language-selector then \o/ [10:49] pitti, excellent ;-) [11:03] pitti: is it actually installing languages for you? I get get a crash, debugging it currently === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:03] mvo: it did a few days ago [11:03] mvo: I'll have a look right away [11:09] mvo: Qapla' [11:09] mvo: I selected "add/remove languages", enabled Klingon and "Apply", and it successfully installed the -tlh langpacks; I'm back to the main GUI [11:09] mvo: are you using current bzr head for aptdaemon and langauge-selector? [11:10] mvo: what's the crash for you? [11:10] pitti: I was working with software-center, I fixed one issue that is releated to the language (trivial in aptdaemon trunk), the next one is deep in libapt [11:11] mvo: just tried removing packages, works as well [11:11] thanks [11:12] there is one issue that you only get with a locale that aptdaemon has no translations for (I use en_DK ) [11:12] but that is fixed in trunk now [11:12] ah, I didn't test that [11:12] its a bit unusual I guess, but was easy [11:13] the next one is a crash in the actiongroup in libapt, I suspect it was there forever, but some of the new compiler magic now uncovered it, lets see what I find out [11:13] mvo: are these regressions due to the new aptdaemon 0.40? [11:18] pitti: it looks like the new "with cache.actiongroup()" is triggering it, so yes, but also no, the bug is older [11:39] funny -- empathy now shows myself as "persons nearby" (bonjour) [11:39] Zdra: ^ known bug? [11:39] cassidy, ^ [11:39] pitti, as a merged contact ? [11:40] cassidy: yes, I think so; a right-click on it shows my jabber, gtalk, and bonjour IDs [11:40] but it's shown under the "Persons near me" category (loosely translated from German) [11:40] that's probably you have your jabber account in your gtalk roster (or the other way) [11:41] folks automatically merge your "self" accounts [11:41] including Salut [11:41] it just started doing that today [11:41] and I didn't touch my account config for months [11:41] it is still displayed if you disconnect your gtalk and jabber account ? [11:42] cassidy: yes [11:42] now it's just bonjour [11:42] ok, that's a salut issue then [11:42] cassidy: thanks; I'll file a bug against that then [11:42] thanks for pointing out the package [11:42] 2010-12-03 06:50:26 status installed telepathy-salut 0.4.0-1 [11:42] hm, that's since Friday [11:43] could very well have happened since then already, I was mostly offline during the weekend [11:43] cassidy: I'll try downgrading, and make some tests, and file a bug; thanks! [11:43] cool [11:47] cassidy: hm, it's a bit fiddly; I downgraded to salut 0.3.13, and now I see myself as "Ungrouped"; upgrading to salut 0.4.0 again keeps me in "ungrouped" now [11:47] I quickly see myself in "people nearby", then I move to "ungrouped" [11:47] you just have salut connected, right ? [11:48] no, jabber etc, too [11:48] (again) [11:48] * pitti tries with guest account [11:49] cassidy: ok, also happens in the guest session, i. e. with clean home dir/config; I see "guest" in empathy, with just the salut accout [11:50] cassidy: so it seems to be a more general "empathy shows myself in the user list" bug? [11:50] cassidy: would that be empathy, or telepathy-mission-control or something else? [11:51] pitti, I'd say empathy or salut [11:52] fun, I can talk to myself! :-) [11:53] pitti: are you nice with yourself? :-) [11:57] cassidy: filed as bug 686516 now [11:57] Launchpad bug 686516 in empathy (Ubuntu) "[natty] Empathy contact list shows myself (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/686516 [11:58] oh, empathy was upgraded just today [11:58] * pitti downgrades and tests [11:59] pitti, is there any way to show an image in apport dialogs, from a symptom module? [11:59] rodrigo_: not right now, I'm afraid [12:00] pitti, would it be hard to add it? [12:01] cassidy: ok, confirmed that it's a regression between 2.32.1 and .2; added to the bug [12:01] rly? [12:01] did you test using the same folks version ? [12:01] cassidy: yes, I kept everything the same, just downgraded empathy and empathy-common [12:02] cassidy: I noticed that the current natty package imported some fixes from upstream git, though [12:02] empathy (2.32.2-0ubuntu2) natty; urgency=low [12:02] * debian/patches/00git_folks_aliasable_groupable.patch: [12:02] * debian/patches/00git_individual_methods.patch: [12:02] - Use latest libfolks API [12:02] could that be it? [12:02] maybe yeah [12:03] ok, added that to the bug; not that urgent [12:03] thanks for the suggestions so far === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [12:15] pitti, there is gobject introspection of vte in universe? will this be included in main? [12:17] glatzor, if someone updates vte to build a gir [12:17] which is the way to go === pthsWork_ is now known as pthswork [12:37] pitti: I have apport not showing when I get a new crash report (the crash report is in /var/crash). It's not the first time, last time I cleaned /var/crash/ to get crash report again. [12:37] hello all! [12:37] pitti: I'm wondering if the issue is apport or update_notifier, I'm seeing that I have two files own by root… [12:37] hey nessita, how are you? [12:38] pitti: is there an easy way to help you debug that? (I'm looking right now at what update_notifier is launching) [12:38] pretty good! [12:38] I upgraded one of my computers to natty, and I would like to enable unity, but choosing either "Desktop" or "Classic" edition both show my "old" desktop [12:38] didrocks, I think it's update-notifier [12:39] nessita, hey [12:39] nessita, what videocard and driver do you run? [12:39] seb128: ok, looking at what it does and trying to launch that by hand :) [12:39] nessita: do you get a message when it shows you the "old" desktop on the Destkop session? [12:39] didrocks, I think it didn't print the "crash detected" info when I was running it by hand [12:39] like "your video doesn't support…" [12:39] seb128, pitti, can you tell me why the pygi-convert.sh scripts replaces the __init__ calls of parent classes by gobject ones? [12:39] seb128: my video card is Intel, I'm not sure if the driver was updated properly [12:40] seb128: diving into the code :) [12:40] didrocks: I didn't get any message at all [12:40] nessita: but you still have a gnome-panel? [12:40] nessita, there is no way intel would not be updated correctly [12:40] video seems to be correct, i915 [12:40] didrocks: yes, my exact former desktop [12:40] nessita, do you have unity installed??? [12:40] so, it's not the compiz fallback, it prints a message in any case [12:40] pitti, seb128 what is wrong with : class MyButton(Gtk.Button): [12:40] def __init__(self): [12:40] Gtk.Button.__init__(self) [12:40] seb128: I don't know!!! :-) [12:41] nessita, dpkg -l | grep unity [12:41] seb128: I didn't choose it explicitly, I thought it would install alone [12:41] glatzor, not sure why it replaces those, maybe pitti knows [12:41] seb128: yes, is installed [12:41] nessita, what session did you select? [12:42] seb128: I've tried both "Desktop" and "Classic" [12:42] like which one do you use now? [12:42] gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager [12:42] gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/apps [12:42] nessita: ^^ [12:42] oupss [12:42] didrocks: trying... [12:42] gconftool-2 -g /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/panel [12:42] ok, I will let didrocks comment [12:42] for the secon :) [12:42] no need to be 2 of us debugging the same issue [12:43] seb128: if gconf is right, I'll let you take it as I'll be clueless for now :) [12:43] lol [12:43] didrocks: metacity, no value set for bla, gnome-pane; [12:43] panel* [12:43] nessita: ok, you changed those value :) [12:43] didrocks: I did not [12:43] nessita: well, metacity can be set by a gui [12:43] for panel isn't… [12:44] so you should have the default which is… nothing :) [12:44] nessita: no worry, let's change that: [12:44] gconftool-2 --unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager [12:44] pitti, seb128: I got an answer from #python: tomeu> glatzor: we need to call gobject.__init__ because that will create a C instance of the correct class [12:44] you want a C instance of your class, not of its parent [12:44] gconftool-2 --unset /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/panel [12:44] nessita: then print the -g result again, please :) [12:45] glatzor, ok [12:45] didrocks: the values I pasted above are when using classic desktop. I just switched to ubuntu desktop, and I got: metacity, no value set for bla, '' [12:45] nessita: ok, unset the first one then [12:45] didrocks: shall I make those modifications being on classic or dekstop? [12:46] desktop* [12:46] desktop as you want unity I guess :) [12:46] on it! [12:46] nessita: for the panel, I think you may have a saved session [12:46] nessita: did you saved your session once? [12:46] save* [12:48] didrocks: I have the "automatically remember running application when loggin out" enabled, so I think my session is saved every time [12:48] didrocks: ok, new values are now: gnome-wm, no value set..., '' [12:48] nessita: that's bad :) [12:49] nessita: can you disable that? :) [12:49] didrocks: no! that's my life :-) [12:49] nessita: so you won't be able to switch between sessions :) [12:49] and no unity :p [12:49] but but but [12:49] BUG! [12:49] nessita: will be fixed in a week, if I find time :) [12:50] * nessita grumbles [12:50] so disable that and rm ~/.config/gnome-session/saved-session/* [12:50] didrocks: ok, so, the gconf values are now correct? [12:50] nessita: ahah, will next time I have an ubuntu crash :) [12:50] nessita: yes, there are! [12:50] ubuntuone* [12:50] will see* [12:50] * didrocks should stop eating words and letters [12:51] didrocks: ok, setting disabled and sessions removed [12:51] didrocks: what now? [12:52] nessita: logout and login [12:52] seb128: in the mean time... is the new u1cp package ok or do I need to fix something else? [12:52] you should get a new shiny unity :) [12:52] didrocks: ack [12:53] didrocks: I dooooooooo! [12:53] seb128: I was quite surprised to get no bug report on the session btw, unlike in maverick where we got this kind of bugs in the cycle very early ^^ [12:53] nessita: nice! [12:53] ALT+F2 will not work! oh my god! I'm useless without it! [12:53] bring it back! [12:54] didrocks: how am I supposed to do any work if I can't open a terminal? [12:54] :-P [12:54] nessita: for allpha2 [12:54] nessita: ctrl + alt + t [12:54] alpha* [12:55] didrocks: ok, thanks [12:55] didrocks: good work!!! [12:55] nessita: well, thanks the dx team :) [12:57] dx_team: thanks!!! [13:14]